Hey look, it's Tiamat the dragon.
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>>88082802It tickles my autism how often she's represented as a red dragon with four other heads rather than having her body be something unique
>>88082849It's because red dragons are the best dragons.
>>88082849nah that's a valid complaint
>>88082995Except that its how she was described in her first appearance.
>>88082802Quick, find the dragon balls
>>88085746Tiamat is female
>>88085921(((female)))
>>88082802Yugioh's 5 headed dragon was cooler.
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/TiamatThese versions are better.
>>88082802More like tiafat, look at those chunky ass legs
>>88082802An appropriate enemy for a level one party.
>>88082849Because not everyone is a coomer
>>88087504God I wish it's retrain was actually playable.
>>88087504That has never been true about anything
>>88087504>One of the two cards I go full weeaboo over and refusebtonuse it's English name Five God Dragon is much cooler.
>>88096361kill yourself
>>88087504such an iconic fucking cardyou now remember the dragon soup that dominated the meta 10 years ago or so, dumping everything with future fusion to summon this mad lad
>>88096485Silence fool.
>>88082849I recall usually she had a dark body though...
Why is it Bahamut is always completely overshadowed by her?
>>88102453Goody two-shoe boys are always overshadowed by cool, edgy bad girls.
Holy crap, Lois! It's Grenadier Dragon Lords model 2512 Spectral Dragon I (1985)!
>>88096361>Because not everyone is a coomerWhere do you think you are?
>>88102453> the Virgin biblical fish> the Chad mesopotamian goddess of chaosIt's a mystery indeed.
>>88082802and she showed up as a fucking random encounter!
>>881024195E cope
>>88104713Gods' looks on 5e are mutable
>>88096353Lmfao
>>88102453Bahamut is the least interesting good deity, and that's saying something.Meanwhile "Tiamat invades your setting" has been a module since the old days that gets reprinted in slightly different ways every 10 years, so everyone feels like she's the big bad of their generation when she's basically babby's first big doom plot.
>>88102419I've been here too long, the pose she has in this is turning me on
>>88102453>Tiamat>always up to something, patron goddess of the game's most iconic enemies>Bahamut>does literally nothing, patron of useless good-aligned dragons who exist to pad out a monster's manualNo comparison
>>88096523i'm partial to it's name in the RPG filler arc but F.G.D. has a presence to it.mythic dragon may have been a generic name but if you knew about the card before that arc aired like i did then it does a good job of not spoiling the surprise for you.
>>88105616i'd love to actually see how many people actually play evil campaigns or characters vs good ones in RPGs.the closest thing i've ever seen to that was the BG3 devs using their data from previous games to justify why the introduced the evil party members first.
>>88102453Bahamut never does anything. Tiamat has cults, plots, and acts like how dragons should be. Bahamut? His worshippers are just handful of good dragons. He does nothing for his followers, he does nothing in the cosmos, he’s just a big lazy dragon.
Tiamat has a lot of big mommy energy
>>88108613>big mommy energyI mean your not wrong, most of the popular D&D Evil Goddesses have that going for them like Lolth, and Zuggtmoy outright embraced/weaponized it!If she were to take Juiblex' Domain (and thus gain access to Slime Girl minions), she could probably roll the rest of the franchise through Waifu Power alone...
>>88096523I prefer to call it F.G.D. (which I pronounce like fa-gud)
>>88082802The artist got the five heads note a little late
>>88083076Her first appearance predates the one you refer to by several thousand years, and describes her as a woman with monstrous features such as a tail and a serpent’s maw
>>88082802How could a level 1 party conceivably be able to deal with Tiamat?
>>88110831Plot armor
>>88087504>You now remember it went from endgame boss monster in two seperate arcs, to a monster you literally see in the first episode of GX.Koi-ba really must've wanted to dab on the Big Five's legacy once he was done with 'em, huh.
>>88105616some of the good dragons were a little interesting, like the steel (since they are infatuated with the human world) and mercury (so long as you go deeper than LoL rAnDom)
>>88102453I think him having the seven canaries that are actually polymorphed ancient gold dragons is neat
>>88111333I'm one of those degenerates that likes Fizban. And Tas
>>88104864Is he really that uninteresting, or is it more that nobody ever uses him in anything?
>>88111499Good-aligned cosmic forces always come across as lazy. They don't do anything so that the PCs have to. Meanwhile, evil-aligned cosmic forces always have to be proactive so that the PCs have something to do.It's one of the great puzzles of worldbuilding. Pretty much everyone settles on some kind of cop-out.
>>88111499How do you use any good deity without pushing the pc's out of the way and having them solve whatever problem themselves?
>>88111563>>88111579Wouldn't it make sense for the conflict to be multilayered? Like say, a simultaneous issue in the earthly and divine realms requiring the player and gods to split their efforts but work to the same overall goals?
>>88082802I only ever play good character's, but I'd let my characters go evil for Tiamat pussy.
>>88111742You mean like when my dad gave me the plastic screwdriver to "help" him fix the wobbly table?
>>88112071If that's what you think, I guess though I see it as pretty silly. You don't send a warrior at home on the field of battle for example to go do political stuff in the courts or sleuthing around in the underbelly of a city's crime scene that they would probably both hate and have no idea how to conduct. It's the same concept. Just as there are things a god cannot/should not be doing on the mortal plane for any number of reasons there are things a mortal would be better served doing instead.
>>88110418Tiamat the D&D character and Tiamata the mythological entity are two different characters sharing a name. We are talking about the D&D character, so spread your autism elsehwere fagaloon.
>>88115210thor have blonde or red hair?
>>88117143Yes.
>>88108613>>88108707
>>88117884Tiamat is the mother of all chromatic dragons
>>88117884Tiamat has kids
>>88102453>>88104864>>88105730It’s also a “Superheroes are reactive, Supervillains are pro-active” situation combined with “NPCs can’t over shadow the players”. Tiamat, as a villain, can have active plans and schemes that further her goals, lieutenants and minions, and be doing things because she is a force the players have to overcome. Bahamut, as a “good guy”, would typically at best just support the status quo (or what the status quo should be), reacting to villains’ plans and moves. But since Bahamut isn’t a comic book character but a god in D&D he can’t even do that because that’s what the players are suppose to be doing. So the most active he can be is working in the background to support the players in a way that doesn’t even move the plot forward least player agency get completely taken away. But that also raises the question why he can’t step in and take care of things himself if things are so dangerous so you have to work around that. Layer ontop of everything that Bahamut is typically only involved with dragons while Tiamat can show up anywhere. By the conventions of typical western storytelling and the virtue of TTRPGS, Bahamut can’t actively participate in a game except as a side character at best.
>>88115210Why do you think Gary Garglefuck and his band of midwits picked that name? Pure coincidence?
>>88104873Tiamat's five heads make me wish I had five dicks so I could have each sucked all at once
>>88082802It's pronounced, "Tiamat," OP.
>>88123029No, it's pronounced Tiamat you double-Metallic.
>>88121560The moment Gary recast the name into a five headed dragon, he broke the continuuity of narrative and created an orijinal kharacter steel doughnut. To pretend otherwise is complete tomfoolery on the same level as sophistic anal masturbation.
>>88117884Tiamat and Jubilex are both actual mothers tho. Tiamat is both the proverbial mother of all evil dragons and the actual mother of chromatic dragons and the god of kobolds. Jubilex is the mother of all slime monsters.
>>88123501Wait, when did D&D Jublilex become Female?I thought they were referred to as Male...
>>88123559Coomers are confused by goo girls. Juiblex, if referred to by gender at all, is always called a Lord. Lord Of Nothing.
>>88123559>>88123634WotC D&D is a lie, Zuggtomy and Jubilex are the same fucking thing.
>>88123724No. Gygax explicitly created and gendered both of them. He needed an imprisoned gross demon to Lady rape Rob Kuntz. Juiblex was running wild.
>>88122455you've already got two nips, a mouth, balls, and an arse
Does Tiamat have one consciousness or five working in concert? If five, does this remain the case when she takes a one-headed form?I'm asking for a friend>>88105616It wasn't the game it needed to be, but 4e gleefully breaking the cosmology allowed it to do things that other editions can't, like its truly excellent take on metallic dragons. Yes, they're aligned with Bahamut, and when it comes to interdimensional conflict they'll show up on the Good side; but they're still dragons, proud and greedy and dismissive of the needs of mortals. So they might still pillage a bit and hoard a bit and aren't easy to negotiate with, and sometimes must be fought as a result by a group considering itself to be heroes. Much like with fey, 4e looked at metallic dragons and thought "how can we make these stop being pointless manual filler?" Which is just the correct attitude from the perspective of delivering a good, cost-effective product.
>>88104864>Bahamut is the least interesting good deity, and that's saying somethingHe's pretty alright as Paladine
