Affordable housing, sourced from the best empty boxes players will buy. Only here, in the Board Games GeneralPrevious thread: >>88054141The pastebin: https://pastebin.com/h8Tz2ze8 (embed)>TQPurging anything from your shelves?What design trends need to go?
>>88077370faux diamondscat in the boxmodern art the card game>>88077612spaceship lasers go ping ping KSHOWreally diverse tech options and a simple structurethe game works with simultaneous turns until conflict starts so it feels super brisk even though you get this epic generational war feellots of modular expansions to tune the game to your exact degree of autism>>88078113we do a league where everyone plays each other at least twice I believe. we keep track of those scores and then enter a playoff bracket with best-of seriesif you play IRL you can do tournaments where people carry over the deck they've been building between games which is so kino. you really get an attachment for your hero players or that bum who's never been able to get a hithttps://discord[dot]gg/7jEcBMfYif you're game>>88078781>exploring and aliensreally necessary when you get to big map sizes. don't risk large fleets exploring. tech into cruisers>quick startearly game aggro is my favorite pocket start don't take this away from the game>carriersfighters are great for fleet size and high attack value. they can be countered but it's not as hard a counter as minesweepers for example
>>88078953>What design trends need to go?Racism, like in Spirit Island
>>88078953Third for TI4 sucks
>>88078953>Purging anything from your shelves?Free space>What design trends need to go?Overdone themes: fantasy, soft sci-fi, lovecraftian horror, nature
>>88078953>Purging anything from your shelves?Never>What design trends need to go?Kitchen sink point salad med-heavy euros. Tableau games with a gigantic stack of 300 unique cards.
>>88079360>Tableau games with a gigantic stack of 300 unique cards.What if you only play with a fraction of them at a time?
>>88079157Eric Reuss doesn't care what you think if you're not a POC.
Bought three bios games at a based Swedish discountToo bad genesis is not in stock
a tale as old as time
Is it possible to buy minis separately from their board games?
>>88079360>Tableau games with a gigantic stack of 300 unique cards.True, nothing can surpass Millennium Blades anyway
>>88079818Only for some (usually KS) games that have them as an addon or expansion.
What's the most fun you ever had with a card only game?
>>88079888Glory to Rome, every single time.
Show me the best game with tech trees. Eclipse and Clash of Cultures were fine but I think we can do much better.
>>88079975advanced civ?>>88079888innovation has some hilarious moments. i enjoy it every time new players gets meme'd by A.I. or other age 10 cards
>>88079888Everything Chudyk>even flowerfa-?EVERYTHING CHUDYK
>>88079751Based ravensburger doing everything they can to prevent PC PR from selling well>>88079975Beyond the Sun is Tech trees: the game. Which sounds amazing but I found it underwhelming, though I am pretty alone in this asessment.Era of tribes (which is a very underrated civ game btw) had a very interesting take on tech trees but for some ungodly reason decided to make the visual design into something that makes you want to tear your eyes out, and I do not say that lightly.
>>88079888It shocks me that noone said modern art until now, but I suppose it does have an actual board.
>>88079157I play Spirit Island and lose on purpose so the white man wins
>>88080520but...but...but...how can that happen when the white man is just dirty backwards medieval dudes from Europe, while the natives are enlightened at one with nature innocents, who were capable of no negative actions or personality traits?
>>88080590As much as I love shitting on tranny island, but the spirits are pictured as largely indifferent to the natives. If anything, spirits instrumentalize the natives as living shields. And now that I've reread what you've said, what I just wrote isnt relevant to your post. Continue.
Lads, I've played Bonfire today. Got it largely because it was dirt cheap (17 euro) and it's a large Feld.When I went through the rules, I for the first time really understood the faggots that call all euros theme- and interactionless messes. The art and components are great (except those fucking copypasted gnomes) but the theme is almost actively detrimental to the game, it somehow makes it harder to wrap your head around than if it was entirely abstract....yet, I still found the game pretty good.gotta play with 3 others tomorrow and check if it holds up or takes forever.
tfw no game design buddy
>>88080823The meeples look like Yoda
>>88078953>>88078902I did it anonsDid I fuck up.
>>88081283Yeah, but did you buy the empty box add on?
>>88081283chances are if you bought it you'll probably like it considering it interested you in the first place and the sunk cost element even if that did mean you were 100% retarded might as well enjoy it anyways
>>88081293Empty box add on?I just got the base pledge with stretch goals and sundropped (I am way too lazy to do it myself)>>88081310We all make retarded purchases once in a while right
>>88079471If you repeat a lie enough...
>>88081283>Kickstarter>"You've backed this project">Did I fuck up?Anon...
>>88081283>ONE>HUNDRED>FORTY>TWO>DOLLARS>FOR>A>SOLO>GAMEHope you have fun with it.
>>88083111Don't forget taxes and shipping lolI once bought a 100€ game and had to pay 149€
Take this you stupid Creuss
>>88083206fuck me if i had to pay VAT for all those games.
>Wake up>Mmmm ahh... let's check out my local used board games market place>Best prices are 5 buckeroos cheaper than retail>Worst prices are more expensive than retail (not making this up, it's a lot of people selling their used copies for same or more money than you can just get on amazon)>MfwI don't know why I even look it up at all anymore desu. I checked prices daily for literally months, always with the same result. You save maybe 5-10%, best case scenario. At that point, I just buy it new. Nobody goes to the supermarket at thinks>OMG! An 8% discount!Buying used is not worth it in my country. Only exception is for games that no longer retail, but even there you will never get a bargain, on the contrary. How is the situation in your country? I saw some (I think) american posters here who get Jaws of the Lion for 25 bucks in a sale. This is absolutely unthinkable here, board games retailers always keep the same price. And when they do have a MEGA SALE, it is like 5-10 bucks, a joke.
>>88083206I'm american so I don't pay that shit kek, but also I'm not playing solo.>>88083097I am ape
>>88083648In America you can easily find any game for 50% off or lower used
>>88080823That's an arcehtypal Feld game. The guy makes theme neutral, low interaction point salads exclusively, and most of them are pretty darn good, fun and mechanically tight. If you're not thirsty for great visuals and compelling themes and are mildly autistic you'll probably enjoy a Feld.
>>88081283Did you play the first one and you liked it? Tainted grails gets praise a lot for it's story and athmosphere, but 150€...
>>88079751https://opinionatedgamers.com/2023/03/15/psa-puerto-rico-1897-is-literally-unplayable/>"a more welcoming and inclusive gaming experience">Functional downgrade>Botched production>More black people on the cover thoughI guess this says a lot about our...society
>>88078953>Purge.I don't WANT to, but I'd be willing to part with some of my older OoP games for the right price. Netrunner, CitOW+Horned Rat and Starcraft+Brood War+Typhon should fetch a good sum.>Fuck this thing in gamesLow effort roll and writes. Cutting content meant to be in the base game to sell in an expansion, especially when it gimps the gameplay.
>>88083769I'll pay you 100 bucks for StarCraft with expansions
Why is Quinn a cuck?What did I miss?
Splendor sucks because as soon as you get your engine going the game ends. Points goal should be like twice as much.
>>88083702To be fair, kings of ruin with stretch goals is only 100 USD, You can buy the OG tainted grail for 120 on the stretch goals for that too.I can safely say from what I read, I genuinely really like the setting and story. I'm not a cringey reddit who basedjaks over 'soulslike' but they really nailed dark fantasy here that's kind of like dark souls esque story and world without being a direct copy or feeling cheap. It's doing its own thing but I like it a lot.
>>88083861SUSD are the living embodiment of the smug, detached Gen-X ethos.I'd venture to guess none of them has felt a single sincere conviction about anything since childhood. They exist as polyps upon the colon of boardgaming, satiating themselves on the perceived failures of others (i.e. "The Designer") while adding nothing new to the discourse aside from ironic complaint.They're a group of insecure, lost, rapidly aging burnouts who silently believe they could do a better job of making boardgames than the professionals in the industry. Yet they lack the ambition and ability to actually enter the very industry they're obsessed with. They choose instead to fuck around and make youtube review piss-takes well into middle age.They are awful, awful people. I've met thousands just like them, and the last thing we need is for these people to gain any attention for their navel gazing.Please, /tg/, do not aspire to become anything like these people. Theirs is a lonely road leading to depression and a life devoid of real purpose.I hope they disappear and their disaffected followers stop subsidizing their lifestyle. Perhaps that would force them to do something productive with themselves.
I was asking this in the previous thread. Should I do it?Is this the first step of becoming a grognard?
>>88084118never heard of it, what interests you about it?
>>88084061Holy fucking based...
>>88083861>Why is Quinn a cuck?it's a thinking mans fetish
>>88083648There are people selling their opened and played copies of games at around 80% of the retail cost here in an EU country, which is even worse when you take shipping into consideration. Occasionally, though, if you wait long enough, you can find some really good deals.Picked up Vast: Crystal Caverns along with the expansion and the miniature pack (though that wasn't the selling point for me) for ~40€.Got a heavily used OG GH with one of those inserts and Forgotten Circles for ~70€ from another guy.
>>88083861Imagone having a boardgame channel that is your only source of income.Then imaginey, if you will, that you distort what games you review and recommend towards the tastes of your gamergate """""""journalist"""""""" wife (amd matts ex) because she has a hard time handling numbers and math. Dyscalculus, self-diagnosed, of course. Plus he's british, so it's as much part of his genome as his receding hairline and poorly disguising his superiority complex with sarcasm.
>>88083701I've only had the pleasure of playing CoB before and wanted to see what the feld-fuzz was all about. Turns out he might be on to something. Still nothing I would prefer over Pfister or Rosenberg games.I also thought it was quite visually appealing, moreso because I bought the more Maria at the same time an that ones components (sans the map) are truly terrible. It's a fucking crime how much I need to pay for wargames that are twice as expensive, include much worse components and alot fewer of them. Might just be based Germans being one of the few to still print their games independent of the chinks.
Thoughts on SUSD?
>>88083701https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/188288/item/3781054#item3781054Always gets a chuckle from me
>>88084644Can't tell if more based or cringe. Very good post
>>88084644>dislikes AgricolaHow am I supposed to take this seriously
It's kinda sad that there are so many fantasy dungeon crawler RPG board games, like I could easily name 10 right now without thinking, but so little Sci-Fi ones, I could literally name 0. But I guess this is not only board games but also video games, but still. Imagine a Gloomhaven style game but in a sci-fi setting with plasma rifles, cybernetics, hacking and stuff, this would be so cool. Or at least some cyberpunk.
>>88084712Why don't you just make one.
>>88084712>I could literally name 0.I know of that star wars one and that other old one where i think the enemies are reddish aliens?
>>88084712>I could literally name 0How have you never heard of Space Crusade or Space Hulk? I can understand hating GW, but it boggles the mind that anyone can come to /tg/ and forget they exist.
>>88078953>Purging anything from your shelves?Eclipse. It's not as bad as people here say it is but it's a game that tries to be both euro and a wargame but ends up being a mid euro with a shallow wargame tacked on. Also because it's a euro at the core, the dice rolls can just lose you the game early and there's no way to come back from losing a bunch of resources. I wouldn't refuse a game but if I'm picking the game I'd rather play a better war game or a better euro. Considering the price and how much space it takes up it's gotta go.>What design trends need to go?Point salad euros. No modern designer can make them well. It's always designed so that it doesn't fucking matter what you do, you always get a ton of points and somebody wins by a close margin at random. These games are designed to prevent players from being able to play well. Played Endless Winter at a friends place, it was the absolute epitome of this design philosophy and it was boring as fuck. Ark Nova looks the same. It's made for people who want to have the image of being a board game nerd who plays complicated board games without actually doing it.
>>88084774>Eclipse. It's not as bad as people here say it is but it's a game that tries to be both euro and a wargame but ends up being a mid euro with a shallow wargame tacked on.I used to be very hyped about eclipse, even defended it here a few times, then when the time came to buy it i watched a let's play and i jist felt this a 100 times. Especially the euro part, you spend so much of the game setting up, but really it just feels like a kemet tier economy with extra (random) steps. Also on rng, the starting planets you get seem huge as well. I still think getting researches and kitting your ships is cool as fuck, but everything else seems like the game is making you waste time preventing you from getting to the good part.
>>88084816>even defended it here a few times, then when the time came to buy it i watched a let's playSo you defended it without even watching the gameplay, and now you're shitting on it even if you've never played it? Lmao, shut the fuck up and fuck off dude.
>>88084816Between the extreme shilling and extreme shitting on Eclipse, switching between those two whilst not even having played the game is probably the stranges take I've read.
This just arrived, hope the consoom police don't bust my door down.
>>88084872>So you defended it without even watching the gameplay, and now you're shitting on it even if you've never played it?>>88084981>extreme shilling and extreme shitting on Eclipse, switching between those two whilst not even having played the gameLMAO dangerously based
>>88084630I honestly think they must roll a dice at random to determine whether they'll shill a game or shit on it. Theres no congruity or basis for what they'll decide is quality or bullshit. Also the tranny.... the fucking tranny... could they have found a more hairy gruff lunk of a man to be their mascot tranny?
>>88085000Which faction will win?>Literally called Troglodytes>Some space soldier with a huge rocket launcherHmmm...
>>88085000Aw hell yea, fucking love Hex, and I don't play it as often as I'd like. Need to catch up with the newer factions. I'd be interested in a follow up post with your ranking once you've played them all.Neojungle, Dancer and Doomsday Machine are top 3 with a toss up of Borgo/Outpost next.
>find an actual board game in a toy store>Carcassonne>60$I hate living in the third world holy shit
>>88085000Damn, I didn't know there were THAT many factions. I only got basegame, new york, steel police and Uranopolis. Which already is quite enough.What I can't fully decide is if I find the game quick and fun without having too much depth or if there is a strategic level I've not really been dealing with until now.>>88085080Holy shit, just import it from Europe/US (whatever is nearer), it's like 20 euros here and I can't imagine it'd cost more than 20 bucks shipping.Or are you talking about the big box? I assume you aren't, but still.
>>88084816>vehemently defends a board game>vehemently shits on a board game>has never even played it
>>88085128Just the base gameAnd yeah I usually just use a courier that charges around 5.48$ per poundI just wish I could go somewhere and find board games outside the 20+ versions of monopoly
>>88079157I think the anti-colonialism aspect surrounding SI is cringe, but I appreciate that it makes balding fatties mad
>>88084751I genuinely never heard of Space Crusade or Space Hulk, then again I am relatively new. Thanks for the tips. Sadly>Space Crusade literally unavailable here as far as I can tell>Space Hulk goes for 150-250€Oof!
What's our opinion on The Dice Tower?
>>88085306tom is literally the only reviewer that i trust if he doesnt review a game then i won't buy it, simple as
>>88084712Rogue Angels: Legacy of the Burning Suns should be what you're looking for (gulag describes it as "Mass Effect if it were a board game"), if they ever actually release the game.
Poorly describe a board game and anons guess which it is, I'll start:>pirates but not, queueing for scraps, getting cucked in placement
>>88085405>if he doesnt review a game then i won't buy it, simple asnigga do you know you got free will and a brain to form your own opinions? imagine putting a board game youtuber reviewer (male) on such a high pedestal.
>>88084644>CoB: "I'll give you 5 points, if you don't posts this!".>Me: "And what if I do post this?">CoB: "Then, I'll give you ... 3 points."
>>88085306Their videos are fine but their taste is pretty shit and they like every other board game review have a bad tendency to make reviews after only playing the game once or twice.
>>88085450Libertalia?Let me try:Quoth the Raven: one for two more
>>88078953>Purging anything from your shelves?My Root collection. My friends at this point all own their own collections and I'm also really starting to dislike a lot of its elements. >What design trends need to go?Kingmaking is not a fucking "feature" Cole its a shitty result of bad victory conditions and no way to come back.
>>88085500How would you fix root? Hidden agenda cards with specific win conditions?
>>88085306They actually play and talk about games, in stark contrast to political commentators larping as boardgame reviewers. My tastes don't align with either of them, but I very much respect vasel in particular.
>>88085000Where did you find doomsday??I live in fear of my wife doing an infinite loop again.
>Dude brings over his girlfriend for board games night
>>88085580>turns out shes a riot, gets in with the banter>clearly pays attention to the teach when she later asks good questions during the game>plays to win, has no issue knifing her bf in the back for itYou can stay, Tatiana
>>88085614Hmmm... who might be behind this post...
>>88085647Kek I remember this pic.
Holy fuck how many L&C games are in development at this point? Seems like everyone and their mother is making one. Only have Nevsky and really like it, any of the others already released worth trying? From a cursory look they don't seem to change all that much. Inferno looks somewhat interesting, I like the setting for Almoravid but not sure if the Taifa politics are enough to make it more interesting.
>>88085707>Holy fuck how many L&C games are in development at this point?At least twenty? I read an article about twelve in development, and since then my friends in the L&C discord have told me theres an Aztec Flower Wars and two different Naval ones in the early stages.Dont know how many actually hit P500, but i already see Seljuk and Henry up there so if the idea is solid and the fans are clamoring for it, you stand a chance.
>>88085509It’d basically require a ground up redesign of every faction’s mechanics.Too much of the game is tied to that shitty VP race
>>88085647That can't be safe, medically speaking.
>>88085707It’s because Volko really encourages people to take their own spin on his systems, more than most other designers + they attract non-wargamer because neither COIN nor L&C look like your average wargame.It probably stems from his roots in commercial games, where he designed his own spins on We the People and Twilight Struggle in Wilderness War and Labyrinth, respectively.
>>88085784I watched a stream with Cole and Patrick and they said that there was originally assymetric win scenarios like at one point the WA could surround the Marquise's keep to win.
>>88085574The portal web store is where I got them, they were doing a sale recently.
>>88085580>Girl joins our gaming session>Normally chill guys turn into very hyped-up "clowns" that act goofy and try to make her laugh constantly
>>88085580>Bring my wife for board game night>Friend brings his new girlfriend>Somehow turns into guys vs girls
>>88086135>>88085580Last week one of they guys' gf showed up and spectated. At one point he made a joke: "after this we'll all play soggy biscuit and GF has to eat it"...She did not laugh.
>>88086135I fucking hate this shit. A dude in my group started completely shitting on a game after a girl commented that it's complicated and hard to come up with a strategy. The entire rest of the game he was talking about how he has no idea what he's doing even though he liked the game and knew it really well lmao. It was pretty annoying to play like that.
>>88086135>>88086180Only way to deal with retardation like that is to call it out and publicly shame them.
>>88084118Nah. The grogforce is a specific form of quasi-autistic intellectual curiosity. You can't catch it just by playing a game about boats. You have to become obsessed with understanding how and why the boats came to be there shooting at each other.
>>88086161Probably the best case scenario if both parties are willing to roll with the bants.
>>88082755He literally stated that he wanted no input or playtesting from non POC people (aka white people) for an upcoming Spirit Island expansion. Even if you were a PhD in colonial America, it's not good enough because you're white.Where is the lie?
>>88083861It's rumoured that his wife, who's an even more painful sjw than him and is an out of work guru type, has shagged around.He's from Brighton though, so this kind of thing is not unusual.
>>88086420>Where is the lie?Post his statement and we can see what you twisted and ommitted.
>>88086458Yeah, I'll never touch his shit, that guy is a basket case.
>>88086469check out how he twist his words >>88086458can't believe how "requirements for playtesting: BIPoC and Female, non-binary, or otherwise not a man" means no white people to him, how could he have mistaken that so much
How are the horizons spirits?Getting back into the swing of things, now woth some newcomers to the system, thinking the horizon spirits might be a good bridge between the suoer basic OG starter spirits and the medium difficulty ones.
>all invader and blight pieces are plastic>all spirit components, dahan, island boards, are wood/paper>component material itself is integrated into the theme>offer neoprene island mapWhat did greater than games mean by this?
>>88084118It won't be long before your heart will be filled with an irresistible urge to command fleets over the entire pacific and Empire of the Sun will be there, patiently waiting to welcome you home at last.
>>88086572Posting 'coons is a banable offence.
>>88086294Amazing and enlightening>>88086578Intimidating and spooky
>>88086572As neoprene is a form of plastic, clearly Eric Reuss has accepted European ownership of the land despite his screeing against his own European ancestry.He needs to be cancelled.
How many false realities do you live in, /bgg/?
>>88086595Don't worry, the transformation will be imperceptible to you. Only your loved ones will notice the change. The hunched posture from leaning over the entire table with tweezers in hand, the sunken eyes from referencing the rules booklets, the incoherent mumbling about errata counters, the terrible screaming of strange codes like "p500" from your sleep.
>>88086458>Has tons of white people already signed up to playtest>Would like to have a more diverse group of playtesters because that's his prerogative>White people say they aren't representedThis is literally the definition of white fragility.
>>88086814Its even more hilarious when you follow the lead dev team and their discussion on nature incarnate. Its all white folks.But noooooo this game i already hate is excluding me waaaaaaaah
>>88086814No it's not, more a general disgruntlement at the far left politics than Eric Reuss and his like represent and how it's infilitrated board gaming (totally dominates the gulag).
>>88086651Every other game our retard group finds out about another rule we didn't know about even in games we played tens of matches. I like it, keeps things fresh.
>>88086814>caring about the skin color of people playtesting your game for FREEYou can literally sort feedback by demographic if you think it matters(it doesn't), achieving equal numbers of demographic groups across the board is a pipe dream in any activity. That's not how the world works. Population numbers are variable and different people have different interests. Pointing out how retarded that goal isn't the same as white people saying they aren't represented.
>>88057359>Is that Defcon 1 in the OP image? I'm looking for a game that captures the hopeless chaos and ease of play of the Defcon PC game.The only thing coming close in theme that I can think of is Meltwater. And thats more the aftermath of the nuclear war than it is the prep and execution of cold war going hot.Otherwise games that involve nukes try to dissuade you from letting then fly or allow a victory if you can trigger it on the opponents turn, you win as they get the blame for letting the world go to shit. Thirteen days and twilight struggle cover that.
>>88086169>Soggy biscuit (also known as ookie cookie, limp biscuit, wet biscuit, shoot the cookie, jizzcuit, or cum on a cookie) is a male group masturbation activity in which the participants stand around a biscuit (UK) or cookie (US) masturbating and ejaculating onto it; the last person to do so must eat the biscuit.>According to the book Law of the Playground, 1,866 men were asked: "How close have you got to the game of soggy biscuit, in which you race to wank onto a cracker?" Of the respondents, 6.2% reportedly admitted to having played the game.Anglos need to be wiped out from the face of the Earth.
>>88087218>Anglos need to be wiped out from the face of the Earth.If we can hold off on that until Tank Duel second edition get reprinted, that would be appreciated.
Such a huge and heavy box arrived at my doorstep...
>>88086651biggest mistake I can remember making was with warchest. We would add coins to our bag rather than discard, which is weird since every over deckbuilder works that way.
>>88087428Frosthaven?The size and curvature of the box does imply a bad dragon though
>>88087428Padded with german newspapers, but something is peeking out underneath.
>>88087450>Frosthaven?Not quite! This game weights in at a proud 6kg nontheless. It is...
>>88087450>The size and curvature of the box does imply a bad dragon thoughHow do you know, anon?
>>88087516Playing gloomhaven, stone age, and agricola isnt my ONLY hobby
>>88087501Figured it might be when I saw that riveted edge. Fun game, excellent production.
>>88087546The production value and amount of content for that price is actually insane!I had to pay more than retail for it, since it's out of print, but it wasn't too bad
>>88087536Based. I got 1 of 3 brown boxes arriving at my place too, literally nothing else but 1) Miscellaneous stuff from amazon2) Board games3) Onaholes
>>88087104>No it's not, more a general disgruntlement at the far left politicsNo, it's really not - it's the fact that he's asking for more BIPOC women (not BIPOC men because he already has a full demogroup for those) and not adding new white playtesters to the pool and those potential playtesters saying that white opinions are being disregarded.If you take racebaiting out of the equation it would be no different than a dev saying I've already got a ton of playtesters that play heavy games and now I'm only taking playtesters that play party games so I get their opinions and heavy player crying about how their opinions are being invalidated.Besides - it's his game, who gives a shit. He can playtest however he wants.
>>88087461Mechs vs minions?
>>88087814>If you take racebaiting out of the equationYou're left with nothing. It's pure racebaiting. Nothing more than a little geek sucking off some brown people to get back at those evil white kids that bullied him at school.
>>88087836Yes! Fuckton of physical goodies. Got it for a rather humane price as well, super excited to play it this weekend.
>>88084712UnsettledBlack HoleISS VanguardCore SpaceEclipseTwilight ImperiumStar Wars Outer RimStar Wars RebellionAndroid: NetrunnerNemesisEscape the Dark SectorX-ODUSSF is ok, but yeah, real Cyberpunk games are rare.
>>88088236>Eclipse>Twilight Imperium>Sci-fi dungeon crawlers????
>>88088366My bad. I read that post too quickly.I thought it was about SF/Cyberpunk games in general.
I’m making a solo roll and write. What makes dice games fun or unfun to you?
>>88078953>Purging anything from your shelves?SE4X with Close Encounters. I've played it several times with friends and then solo and it never clicks. The tech tree is very unexciting with upgrades mostly amounting to linear incremental increases like "move 3,4,5..." spaces total. The game also runs way too long especially after it's clear who the winner is so you can either have a very anti-climactic ending or continue playing a decided game for another hour. The hidden movement with decoys sounds great as a concept but in practice it turns very fiddly where you either remember the composition of all fleets or have to constantly look under the counters to see who's where, and those are a bitch to flip over on a flat table. >What design trends need to go?Loading a game up to the brim with a kitchen sink of optional rules and scenarios. It's okay to have some optional rules but once you cross a threshold it just becomes a band-aid to patch up an awful design.>well you didn't play with optional rules X Y and Z, that's why you didn't enjoy itUnless your game is fantastic using basic rules, I'm not willing to be a playtester to waste my time figuring out how your game was supposed to function. I'd rather play games which are complete out of the box.
I don't need anyone. I am having a lot of fun by myself. In fact, I prefer to be alone. Board gaming in a group... nah. I'm good.
>>88088576>Rolling diceFun>Checking boxes on pieces of paperNot fun>Playing a dice game soloAlso not fun
>>88089300Unquestionably based post. Better to play alone than bow down to brainlets just to have a playgroup.
>>88089300Part of me wishes I could do this, I'd get to enjoy some games I don't get to table enough.But also the high I get from board games is a group being presented a similar challenge and seeing who can shitpost their way to the top
Played Cryo again recently, it's a neat medium weight worker placement.>>88084712I can think of Star Wars: Imperial Assault, Doom and burncycle (the theme seems to be kind of cyberpunky)
>>88089528>>88089761Lmao, bros this was meant as a comedic cope post, I thought the pic made it clear. I too wish I had a group, but I am a friendless NEET and honestly can't be bothered to drive 45 minutes on public transport to my LGS and back to pay 10 bucks to use their rooms, to maybe find a group or people I can get along with. Also, the only LGS in my city is kinda whack, I thought about giving it a try and checked out their facebook page, only to see they still enforce covid rules, and I was like "nah man, fuck that"
>>88085306Never watched them. I only watch board game reviews from cute girls.
My 3x3. I like Carcassonne and lanterns too I played fairy trails recently but it was really frustrating keeping track of vines.
>>88078953>Purging anything from your shelves?Often. I resell campaign-style RPGs after I finish them to get other games.>What design trends need to go?Really fucking tired of Lovecraft stuff desu.
>>88087814Why on earth would the skin color or sexual orientation of a playtester matter?>If you take racebaiting out of the equation it would be no different than a dev saying I've already got a ton of playtesters that play heavy games and now I'm only taking playtesters that play party games so I get their opinions and heavy player crying about how their opinions are being invalidated.No, because game preferences are relevant to playtesting games and bipoc/nonbinary status isn't
>>88090243No sense trying to talk sense to people who are hopelessly fucked in the head anon
>>88090068Based casual enjoyer. Do you have the expansion for Canvas?
>>88090650Just had to look up Canvas, but that shit looks stunning, might get that based on the art and production quality alone
for me, its the underground duchy
>>88091105I have a penchant for scales and organized religion
>>88091105>>88091158alerta de patricians
>>88087814How about you fuck off back to gulag? 4chan is a straight cis website.
Alright you fags memed me into buying JOTL. I hope it's as good as you say.
>>88084433>>88086434You must give some credit to him though. To be a cuck must require a good amount of mental fortitude though. Because if you didn't them you'd probably just sit alone and cry while your wife got railed by other guys. And theres definitely no evidence of Quinn being a weakminded loser. No, certainly not the type to cry to his whore wife about how playing a couple rounds of a card game in a day is the most difficult thing in his life
>>88091562I too bought it and have never played legacy shit. Its now sitting on my shelf next to my unopened $20 copy of seafall
>>88091365>4chan is a straight cis website.LolLmao
>>88091653One way or another i'll force my faggot friends to play this with me.
>>88091653I actually enjoyed Seafall, it's fun if you are the kind of player who enjoys doing a bit of everything instead of gimping yourself and focusing only on one aspect. Also fuck the gulag for complaining about exploiting natives and the prologue game twist. It's no masterpiece, but I enjoyed its storytelling and legacy additions more than the overrated Pandemic one.
>>88091687You sodomites don't belong on this website.
>>88091746/hm has been around longer than you haveYour delusion can suck it, christ cuck
>>88091883Talk about board games, you faggot
>>88091993What next for the J-meister?Does that scythe adventure game look like its gonna make waves?
>>88092014It's going to sell well because Scythe is loved by the gulag and he's the man who makes birds, whether it's good or not, my money is on 6.5/10 that gets rated 8/10 and is on many GOTY youtuber lists, but no one mentions anymore by 2024.
>>88092014It's going to make waves of rubbish piles
>>88092050But that was red rising and that...what was that time themed worker placement that fell on its face right out of the gate?If even tapestry keeps selling and merits expansions, I dont see how the scythe world does anything less than three bonus module boxes into 2026
>>88092014>another mediocre game that doesn't offer anything better than other games in the genre and needs an expansion to fix the glaring flaws of the base gameGonna be like every other release by him.
>>88092069Is tapestry even good? Everything about it makes me want to buy it, it's 4x, there's cool components, the factions sound cool and asymmetrical, the little board you build with cards as you advance eras, etc.Yet overall vibe from players seems to be kinda "eh", plus I hate how they keep publishing balance changes on the site instead of making a new edition or upgrade kit.
>>88092014selling empty boxes for 75$
>>88092014Making lots of money while anons seethe
>>88083878Switch to Century: Spice Road, the good Splendor
>>88092513Still waiting for them to release a trilogy box.
>>88092513Except it's worse because you're not forced to make any hard choices in the game. If you have the resources to buy a card and no one else does, you can just wait it out because you can't gain resources and buy in the same turn. It's missing the card reserve feature that Splendor has.
>>88092638>other players fucking up puts you in an advantageous position>this is bad for some reason
>>88092638If it's an engine card, why wait it out?And if it's a points card, those aren't exactly surprises, everyone can see them and build their engine towards them, if you just got there first and want to be all hare and tortoise and take a nap, that just means you played the game better.
>>88092673>>88092736Has nothing to do with fucking up - has everything to do with once you have the resources for something before someone else, there's zero incentive to try to get the card until someone has the same resources. Just ride it out and grab other cards.That's the one redeeming feature of Splendor - I can't just ride out the resource train because someone can hate poach something I'm working toward.
>>88092825That's why I prefer some kind of variable factor in that sort of games desu.Like King's Forge, where the resource cubes are actual dice, and the score cards require rolling specific results on the right resources, so usually you'll try to stockpile extras to increase your odds, but someone may come in with the bare minimum and snipe you with a lucky roll.
>>88092513I don't understand how anyone can derive enjoyment from this epitomization of a cube pusher.>look mom I turned green cubes and brown cubes into red cubes and then I turned red cubes and brown cubes into victory pointsshoot me
>>88093189I wonder if it gets better with the gimmick that lets you merge the other 2 games. If so, it could be a good way to introduce casuals and bump them through to what amounts to a medium weight euro.
>>88091562If you end up hating it you'll easily be able to resell it.
>>88093189The game takes like 25 minutes tops with players who know what they're doing. Who cares if it's got theme, in that time I'm willing to accept anything if the gameplay is tight.
>>88092825The game's a race, if you can arrive at the finish line before everyone else, why should some fucker in the last place be able to deny you your points. Either start working on the next card if you got the resources or kick rocks, pendejo.
Who else getting their game on tonight
>>88093582Was going to get a couple filler games in last night as Thursdays are supposed to be our game night, but the wife told me the moment I stepped thru the front door that she "had a bad day"I heard the sound of a whip in the distance and realized we were going to watch some trash thriller to waste time until I deemed it necessary to rest up for the next days work.I want to play some of my more difficult games but the bitch get all sad looking when I suggest going to a game meetup and she refuses to try anything harder than *Here to Slay* and *Sushi Go*
>>88093582>soviet influence in the wrong box
>>88093772Why would you marry someone like this?
>>88093772You deserve it
>>88093772Your wife sounds like she sucks.My gf likes sushi go but I showed her scythe and root and she loves those games too, so I think I won in that department
>>88094195>scythe and rootI’d rather play Sushi Go
>>88094218Wow, you deserve your wife after all
>>88091105I find the Duchy so boring, they can just burrow themselves (no pun intended) and just sway and be unstoppable since they don't have buildings to destroy.
>>88094264>Wow, you deserve your wife after allNot that anon dingus.
>>88093772>trash thrillerWhat did you watch
Not tonight, just had a chill night with the GF watching a movie. We gamed last night. I won Camel Up and my GF won PitchCars. We make a good team.
>>88090650I don't even own any of these games, I just played them with other people *nervous sweat emoji*
>>88093582Played Trajan tonight
>turn 6 as USSR, at 14 points with Opec (worth 4 VP), nuclear test (defcon at five from USA AR7 how i learned to stop worrying), and a 3 VP central america scoring>also in hand, asia scoring for 7 US VP, but no biggie it won't get played>Ive got this>headline scoring feels good>get hit with middle envy>wait no>COMEDY OF ERRORS.gif>end round with at +6 VP>late war gets shuffled in>ruh roh raggy>pull wargames>no usa vp scoring in headline>AR1 tie the game, extend hand to salty American swineNEVERDIDN'THAVEIT
>sankokushin delayed indefinitelyAnd nothing of value was lost
>>88094891Did they actually ever release any details about the gameplay?
>>88093258I can always just return it to amazon as an alternative if we hate it. My friends just got into these """campaign""" games after mansion of madness so this is a good start, I think.
Fellas, just started a very consistent game group of 5 people. What are the games that play best for 5 players? Looking for both small and large games.So far we've enjoyed Cosmic Encounter, The Crew, Kemet, Sheriff of Nottingham, Coup, Dutch Blitz expansion, Betrayal at House on the Hill.Also just got Root+riverfolk expansion, but unsure how that'll go with 5.I'm thinking of adding a worker placement and deck building to the collection, but it's small right now so I'll take any suggestions.
>>88095506Root in my experience can vary, if your group is good at deciding what they'll do on their next turn before it starts its a fast and fun gameBut my group has women so they can get decision paralysis (unlike other games where you get 1-2 actions a turn, Root gives you on average like 6 so you have a lot you can do)I also wouldn't teach Root at 5 players. I also wouldn't table it unless you (or someone in the group) become VERY familiar with the rules since each faction plays extremely differently.I like Scythe as a good intro board game, I know it gets shit on here a lot but its a solid Euro with simple action economy and extremely great rulebook/player aid (you will never check the rulebook once you start, everything is explained elegantly)Also can suggest Nemesis (same thing as root, but is a simpler game, make sure you KNOW the rules), Mansions of Madness, Unfathomable, and sentinels of the multiverse are good ones too.Lastly, would recommend join a facebook group for board game reselling. You can easily buy 3x as many board games for the price of 1 for how cheap people offload their shit for.
>>88084061>>88083861> the very industry they're obsessed with.They don’t give a fuck about the industry. They hate the industry, the designers, the publishers and especially the fans. They could be reviewing gardening supplies as long as you’d like, subscribe, and donate. Don’t delude yourself they hate the industry and everything around it. Look at how many failed attempts they’ve made at escaping it. Quince barely even bothers to show up anymore.
>>88095506Just play the games you have and know you'll enjoy. Don't need a constant influx of new games, now and then is finet. Got 3 new games at the pegasus sale and spend yesterday teaching and playing two of them, both of which were good but not much more and I feel like we would've had a better time sticking to what we already know
at least cool ghosts was actually good unlike modern susdalso tfw no game design buddy
>>88095754I'd say that at least it seemed they had fun doing it, unlike everything boardgame related quinns/matt do. Idk if it's the comparison to their earlier videos, but everything the two of them do is so devoid of passion and full of faux emotions, it's almost depressing.
>>88095521Got it already. Having lots of fun with Kemet.>>88095530Thanks for the heads-up. I'll be sure to be mindful when I'm bringing Root to the table.Scythe seems cool and I'm sure itd be a great intro, but I can't imagine us getting many plays out of it. I actually have Wingspan too, but we're already moving on from it. The production is lovely though.I looked at your other recommendations. I'll keep an eye for them on the used board game groups. Nemesis looks particularly interesting, but don't think I'll buy new. Appreciate the help.>>88095734Good advice too. I had decided to skip some PC upgrades to buy some games tho. So I'll see what my other options are for now.
>>88095506Modern art, Quacks+witch expansion, concordia venus, broom service.
>>88094891kek, can't say I'm surprised.
>>88095506Modern Art. It's a great auctioning game, especially if you're group gets into the theme.>>88095530Agree with this anon about Root.Also Nemesis if you're group is happy with a fun emergent story experience rather than a straight tactical game.
I can't stop creaming over the quality and quantity of the Mechs vs Minions. Like even the cardboard cards are noticeably thicker. With every other developer this game would easily cost 50-100% more.
>>88095779their reviews on it were arguably more insightful than anything they’ve ever shat out on susd
>>88096325Only game that comes close production-wise is Too Many Bones.
>>88096325>like 100 minifigs>only 4 (four) small map tilesperfectly summed up what's wrong with modern board games
>>88096578>only 8 (extremely shitty) minis>over 9000 pieces of cardboardIs this everything right, anon?
>>88096536>watch review of too many bones in russian cause i'm russian>intro: "what are you saying? fish? no thanks, it has (looks into the camera) too many bones"bruh
>>88096578>>like 100 minifigs>>only 4 (four) small map tilesSoulless goyslop>>88096620>>only 8 (extremely shitty) minis>>over 9000 pieces of cardboardSoulful masterpiece
>>88096325even if I thought the game was shitty after the one time I played it, I cannot deny that it seems like astoundingly good value for money compared to any other game with even nearly as many minis as it has.
>>88096620I hate how Mage Knight tricked me into believing it's a fantasy RPG adventure but it was a hand-management puzzle style game instead
>>88097108I felt the same way about Gloomhaven.Is there any game that embodies going on a long fantasy epic traveling the world without it being secretly a card management exercise?
>>88097181Consider an rpg like Ironsworn.
>>88094891I was considering getting it for the miniatures, so their move towards releasing minis and stl's is going to save me money and space.
>>88094891Looks pretty cool actually, but I can already tell it's one of those 300+€ games
>>88094891>say that a third of their team is at war>think to myself they're ukrainian mfs getting their shit wrecked>check the studio>they're italians???also, this studio/game completely flew past me, i never heard of themwhy are you happy about it, can i get a real quick summary please
>>88097181No board game can replicate a TTRPG anon
anyone played it?Besides the fact that it's super expensive and has many small boxes whcih gonna give me a cancer when it comes to setup.Is it actually good?Isn't downtime too long?Isn't tracking all the special abilities too iritating and consuming?Aren't races too repetetive since you only change the commander every game?
>>88097474Just play a normal wargame. They’re better and don’t cost $700
>>88097493>Just play a normal wargameNo thanks, i'm already fed up with their ancient design and combat bogged down to rolling 6* on dice.
>>88097468I think some dungeon crawler type games come close to the kinda gameplay I'd want, or even KDM, problem is those are too constricted to isolated scenarios. Mage Knight feels like traveling a vast world accomplishing shit, so I think a hybrid of both would be the best.
>>88097474if I want the Company of Heroes feel, I'll just play Undaunted.
>>88094891Have 2 of their resin miniatures. They are pretty dope. They stated that they will continue releasing miniatures. So agree nothing was lost. Might grab some I like, as they were my main interest for the game. Gameplaywise I am indifferent. They have some interessting ideas for the game, but could easily have been a total shitshow. So it's the right decission, if the development leads now where or they need more time. At least they are honest and don't pull a star citizen or have massive delays like kingdom death while sitting on the collected money. Or even worse releasing unfinished shit like steamforged>>88094928They made several updates on their website, where they have shown gameplay bits. However nothing substential I would say. On the gulag is a thread containing all updates. However I didn't really bother reading deep into the gameplay part, as it is still in development. Would have done it, when the KS campaign started. From what I read the fights would have been more combo driven focued with psychology and magic added compared to KDM. Could have been great, could have been a total mess
>>88097528But have you tried COIN? There's no dice
>>88097869>coin>no dice>roll 5-6 to successfully escape from ambushyou can't be serious nigga
>>88079751How can you fuck something up this badly
>>88095506Hansa Teutonica is the greatest 5 player game ever created
>>88096620What’s the replayability of this game? I love the look and I see ultimate edition for 50-60 a lot
>>88095928Broom Service is criminally underrated.
>>88096621>cause i'm russianEwwww, disgusting
>>88098810If you find it at 50, buy it, regular price is about 120 iirc. It's one of the best solo/duo sandbox games ever created. The setup is fiddly, the learning curve is steep, the game is pretty darn long, but it's very rewarding. There's enough content in the ultimate edition to keep it fresh for years. I don't play it that often because I'm not much of a solo gamer, teaching it isn't easy and my gaming friends will pick lighter, shorter, flavor-of-the-month crap every time. Don't play it at 3 or 4, or with heavy AP people, it will easily double the play time.
>>88098810>>88099205Worst case scenario, you decide it's not for you, flip the game for 80 bucks and turn a profit.
>Amazon started selling game bundlesWtf? I would understand selling games and their expansions as bundles but just random game A and B? Also, it is the same price as buying them individually. Literally zero reason for this.
>>88099255An algorithm probably generates those bundles based on whatever stats or metrics they mine from traffic and interactions, they're just angling for more impulse buys.
>>88098093Risk Legacy is better than hansa.A LOT better.There, I said it.
Might somebody that has played it give me a rundown on Maria? Seen that mentioned a few times here and I'm intrigued. Can I expect some churchill-esque negotiation and sandboxyness with abstracted combat or is It the type of faggy wargame that more or less forces you to play out the conflict just as it happened in reality?
>>88098093Laughs in El Grande.
>>88093582playing Abomination for the 1st timewhat do we think of it?
>>88095806>Scythe seems cool and I'm sure itd be a great intro, but I can't imagine us getting many plays out of it. I actually have Wingspan too, but we're already moving on from it. The production is lovely though.If you're moving on from wingspan intro stuff, Scythe might not scratch any itch for your group then. It's basically wingspan but you have actions on a board to worry about as well (unless you get expansions but I try not to recommend any games with expansions to beginners)>Nemesis looks particularly interesting, but don't think I'll buy new. Appreciate the help.It's way, way too expensive new. There's no reason for it to be so expensive. I got it used for 80 fully sleeved and that is what I'm comfortable with. I would not pay more than 80 honestly, it's a fun game but it's not a deep one, it's just a thematic romp.
>>88093582Played Flamecraft last night, basic rules. It's alright, not too heavy. Very pretty though, normalfags will be eating this one up for a long time.
>>88099753Only played it one time so I can't really tell, but it is very good regardless. Just make sure you don't mix up the hands and remember that a very important part of the game is knowing when to retreat
>>88099753there's not quite churchill levels of negotiation but there are some political arenas to navigate. the tension of the dynamic is the 2v1 on each map but one player is both the Pragmatic army allied with Austria /and/ Prussia & Saxony opposed to Austriathe political levers are somewhat abstracted but tie in beautifully with the card system that drives the game. they also have a big impact on the large scale strategy decisions you have to makethen the granular tactics and the grid system of the map makes for some exciting plays every gameit's thematic and not clunky, great rulebook, and there's plenty of latitude to deviate from the real historical conflict. love this one for a three player night which happens too rarely for me nowadays
>>88098810For 50$ its a steal. MK is a solo puzzle mage, basically, if you're into optimization autism it'll click for you, but there's no adventuring here, you just optimize shit
>>88097528CoH is still a dice chucker, it just obfuscates numbers with symbols. It’s the same thing.
I'm looking to start making some game organizer's for games I own, I'm only seeing 3d print files when I'm more partial laser cutting mdf. Is there a good site to grab this fro free or should I just try and make my own?
>>88097108My friend and I were looking for this, too. Neither Gloomhaven nor Mage Knight seemed to scratch that itch for us. He found Tainted Grail and decided that was what he was looking for, so he bought it for us to play. Go check it out
>>88094891>all the people on gulag complaining that they had skipped several other FOMO kickstarters so they could blow hundreds of dollars when Sankokushin’s kickstarter went liveThis is some fucking brainrot.
>>88097528What wargames have you played?
>>88097474When I see games like this the minis and stuff just feel like overcompensation.
>>88100996Is it not good duo or more?
>>88101509You couldn’t get retards to spend hundreds of dollars on it if it looked like Combat Commander.
>>88101315I'm on the fence about Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon, I backed kings of ruin since most people said its just a WAY better experience but I'm not sure if I want to back it for the 2.0 release of the original game, since it has rule fixes and such to make the game less aids
>>88101439>people exercising restraint to support a project they like more instead of just getting all of them>this js badI don't think its them that have brain rot Anon
>>88101793Anyone who was excited for Sankokushin was excited because of the aesthetic and the insane promises the developers were making. We barely knew shit about the gameplay.It’s brainrot.
>>88101634I like it duo, as long as the other person knows the game well. I haven't tried with more, it sounds like an absolute nightmare
>If you're moving on from wingspan intro stuff, Scythe might not scratch any itch for your group then. It's basically wingspan but you have actions on a board to worry about as wellThe only similarity Scythe has to Wingspan is that the gameplay of both is underwhelming. In Scythe, you're racing for objectives, with some area control sprinkled in. In Wingspan, you're playing solitaire point salad.
>>88085000death breath>mephisto>steel police>sharrash>sand runners>troglodytes>missisipi>iron gang>smart>pirates>new york>vegas>neojungle
>>88100393>>88100232Sounds like what I want, thanks anons
>>88078953RUH ROHhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOy6hqzfsAsLOOK AT WHAT'S AT NUMBER 8
>>88103493dam i would hate to be this guys game night buddy smiley with the >< face
>>88103493>Even Cole knows how good Triumph & Tragedy is And that's why I will never stop shilling it.
>>88103651The reason you won't stop shilling it is because the same mental illness that compels you to watch chink animation and dress up as a girl is also the mental illness that promotes playing badly designed, outdated games that have lots of poorly playtested rules to memorize so that you can impress your fellow friends on the spectrum. Cole is just an excuse in this case.
>>88103960>The reason you won't stop shilling it is because the same mental illness that compels you to watch chink animation and dress up as a girl is also the mental illness that promotes playing badly designed, outdated games that have lots of poorly playtested rules to memorize so that you can impress your fellow friends on the spectrum. Cole is just an excuse in this case.
>>88104026Did I fucking stutter?
>>88104106No it's just rare to have so much cringe and autism in one post
>>88104110I know, that's why I had to call it by its name
Fucking hell I'm having so much more fun with Frosthaven than I did with Gloomhaven that it's insane. Not even trolling, each of the classes are so much more involved. In Gloomhaven it felt like I was barely thinking at all, just move forward and kill stuff, and CC stuff if I can't kill it. Playing as the geminate I have to manage two separate hands that operate at two different ideal ranges, equip buffs with good timing, swap between modes to maximize time between rests, occasionally choose to give myself a debuff in exchange to power a card up... They really pulled all the stops out with this game.Also like the outpost building and new loot system, it's like KDM lite in that regard.
>>88103493Blood on the clocktower is not that bad if it's considered werewolf 2.0, but it should be 20$ max for what little components you get. You really don't need that stupid box
>>88103960>he's still at it Would you feel the same way about the game if it wasn't published by GMT? What about Craig Besinque's other designs?
>>88104254Gloomhaven is honestly a sub 1000 bgg ranking game
>>88104797I had a fun enough time playing it, but it mostly managed to make itself seem a lot more complicated than it actually was by making use of its hidden info and flashiness. By the time the shine of "woah unlocking areas, systems, and characters!" wears off you're pretty much boiled down to "I walk forward and kill the enemy" and every mission is like that. We played the game for a good 50 or so sessions and didn't even finish it (4 player group means games take fucking forever).Frosthaven much more enamoring, it feels like they took the OG and improved on it in every way. I swear to god I'm not a shill.
>>88097885Bruh there’s a mountain of dice in that picture. The fuck you think they’re for?
>>88104839Heavily agreed, gameplay wise I played Jaws through twice and feel like the missions in that one were way more challenging/had much more fun applied tacticsIsaac is just a meme designer who is now being propped up by his team and guests I guess. All his other games suck absolute ass
>>88103960JFC you can't go 5 minutes without thinking about trannies. Why don't you go fuck one so that you can get it out of your system? Then you can go back to pretending being straight and sane again.
What's the best Steve Jackson game?
>>88104930You don't understand anon the dice have funny pictures on them which makes them completely different from numbers.
>>88105124Probably ogre but really none of them
>>88105389>Blue MoonNo thank you, I don't play with fags
>Mage Knight Ultimate for 70Do I...
>>88105573They groaned, they stirred>>88105573They all uprose>>88105573Nor spake, nor used their minds>>88105573It would have been strange>>88105573Even in a dream>>88105573To have seen the late pledge rise >>88105573
>>88105460I was about to rain hellfire on you when I realized you apparently mean the brand of beer, not the game