I just don't believe it's possible for the Masquerade to survive into 2023 with all of the surveillance technology we have and the ubiquity of cell phone cameras. It was kind of a stretch even in 1990.
>>87976335Okay so set your game in 1999 then. Problem solved.
>>87976335Good thing there's all those YouTube debunkers showing why all those videos are fake...
We had an enormous amount of UFO documentation declassified less than a year ago, and absolutely nobody gave a shit whatsoever. I absolutely believe that the Masquerade could exist in the Information Age. Because of media burnout and oversaturation if nothing else.
>>87976335If I showed you a video of someone lifting and car in the dark of night you'd call it a forgery and move on with your life. Some people would believe it but there are people that believe every ghost sighting, UFO spotting and cryptid description
>>87976335>mfw another thread complaining about the setting uses a Bloodlines imageAnyway, treat it like a cross between crime and cryptids:>crime goes down (despite what they want you to think) due to the surveillance state, a lot of vampires get picked off but some learn new tricks, and elders are powerful enough for a lot of organizations to look the other way.>cryptids get increased awareness but unless the media tells NPCs to care, *you* are the crazy one for noticing
>>87976394You're talking about this like it's common knowledge. Can you tell us more?
>>87976394This. Surveillance technology and culture of publicity don't matter when people are simply predisposed to disbelieve what they see.
>>87976335Sorry anon, but we're way past the point where video evidence would make any difference at all.
>>87976335There's still The Dark Ages
>>87976335With the way information is warped and twisted by social media the Masqurade is arguably easier to maintain than it was in the 90s.
>>87976516Nigger it is. It was on the news. They put it all on the news. See also: the Panama and Paradise papers.
>>87976335Elements in the NSA and Pentagon knowing SOMETHING even if they refuse to explicitly call the phenomenon vampires has been a subplot since Revised Edition at least. In the newest edition, intelligence and paramilitary agencies all over the world are hunting Kindred. In other words, the Masquerade only exists because the Glowies want it to.
>>87976335Did you know that, on average, a train derails in the United States every single day?
>>87976344this is what i do when i run vampire, it's the ideal setting
>>87976335People can't even accept that earth is round, what makes you think people care about proof?
>>87976335It's proven in the last 3 years with enough gaslighting people will not believe things that are shown with their very eyes.
>>87976335The Masquerade is easier to keep up than ever, if anything.Vampires don't even have to hide anymore. If they get caught on camera and it gets posted online, people would just think it's fake.
>>87976335The Technocracy invented deepfakes and AI voice synthesis to obfuscate any footage of WoD supernaturals
>>87976688>It was on the news.Do you realize how much news exist at every moment?
>>87977288That's exactly >>87976394's point. You could totally drop the masquerade and some people would never find out.
>>87976335My man, there are people who believe a psy-op manipulated by people in the US government that JFK Jr is alive and working with Donald Trump to bring down a Satanist cabal that harvests kids for drugs and can control the weather. People are fucking dumb as shit these days, you can lie all the time to them
There's a really interesting Visual Novel that had a fucking disastrously awful abomination of an ending that ruins all of the good will that the rest of it builds where you met a pretty well spoken Malkavian chick that you may choose to win your side. She agrees only if you moderate for her as she performs a live webcam show, during which she does weird kinky stuff but also superhuman barbaric acts where she mutilates herself and other clearly masquerade breaking, bestial, vampiric shit. Things play out depending on how well you take it in good sport or don't play along. Turns out that while on her phone she was pretending to be every member of the chat simultaneously just to fuck with you. It was a neat scenario.
>>87976335>hey guys check out this video of a vampire that i took last night!>>wow, you really need to improve your cgi skills, that looks like crap
>>87976516Anon, there were public congressional hearings. Do you like under a rock? Look up "US congress UAPTF," it's all public and on mainstream sites.
>>87977324>le malk was... multiple people!Unprecedented.
>>87977391I'm seen the bait and switch done before but it was a fun setup that caught me off guard since it was very rapid fire making it feel legit in the moment.
>>87977324What game is it? One of those gay Paradox ones or some fangame?
You just gonna keep make threads about how much you hate VTM?>>87969673
>>87976335We've had this discussion in the past. There's so much data and information out there already that any genunine masquerade breaches could easily be buried under a mountain of garbage. Alternately, a significant chunk of people are far more skeptical and/or stupid than you think, and masquerade breaches could slip under their nose handily.https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/84179201/#q84179201This thread goes into it more.
>>87976335You think that doesn't make sense? Think of Call of Cthulhu modern day or Delta Green. At least vampires TRY to keep themselves unknown, meanwhile a shoggoth doesn't give a shit, and let me tell you, a shoggoth is a lot more noticeable than a vampire.
>>87977947I watched Trump trashtalking Biden's build for DRG. We live in a post truth world
>>87978279Ok but that's still mundane. Like, the chances of Biden and Trump both liking DRG and being on friendly enough terms to play with eachother are incredibly low, but not technically 0. It's still something tangible, physically possible, no laws of reality are broken.But a giant ball of mutating, pulsating, ever-changing eyes and jaws and ooze from some ancient depth of the ocean crawling in the middle of London or some shit? You can't ignore THAT
>>87976335And that's why in V5 masquerade fell. World govenments are aware of vampires and have special task forces to hunt them down. The general public still doesn't know what's going on because vampires and the government cover it up.
>>87977324>There's a really interesting Visual Novel that had a fucking disastrously awful abomination of an ending that ruins all of the good will that the rest of it buildsall too common
>>87976394Because they could be rationalized. So far it is just unexplained and does not hurt humans. Humans ending up without blood with two holes in the neck, ripped in pieces, shadows coming alive etc etc is not reaaaaly the same.
>>87976335The world of darkness ended in the early 2000s anyway.
>>87978413There is a giant burning hole in turkmenistan that keeps burning for 40 years now, and nobody knows for sure how it appeared or why it's still going (likely gas)The sky in multiple american cities turned red a couple of years back, and it was either "fire" or "weather phenomenon"I keep seeing news about people getting sick because of some ungodly spill of uncnown chemicals. If a motherfucker walked up to me on the street and tried telling me about weird mass of whatever that lives underground (and remember, the man is likely insane from seeing it) I'd assume him to be a crack addict and move along. There are a whole lot of these people, and they believe to be ships, believe the earth is flat, believe in reptiloids, shit, they believe in shoggoths. That doesn't mean the world will pay any attention.
>>87978417V5 is shit and so is the Second Inquistion
>>87976335Dunno, I could pretty easily see it being held up.>have mainstream media discredit all the footage of vampires/werewolves/etc. as fake and people promoting them as conspiracy theorist nazis>fill the social media with obviously fake supernatural footage>fill all supernatural related discussion online with bullshit about alien lizardman jews and how that footage of vampire sucking a man dry is proof of their GMO vax supersoldier program>kill people who ask too many questionsCongrats, your average sheeple still thinks that vampires aren't real, and people who actually think that vampires are real are either conspiracy retards believing that Jews did it or have had their reputation tarnished to the point that no one will believe them by the previous group.
>>87978458>nobody knows for sure how it appeared or why it's still going (likely gas)Most of the time when you hear this, first thought should be "So they have multiple ideas, and aren't sure which one is right" rather than "OoOoOoO no one knows!"
>>87976335>laughs in Lasombra
>>87978458The issue isn't some nutter walking up to you, the issue is cameras everywhere and widespread social media. One dude talking about this is a nutcase, one video is a fake, but today you'd get dozens of videos and photos from different angles.
>>87980094Lasombra have it even worse, because it's really fucking noticable if that one guy is the only thing that's fucked up on all the images and material.
>>87980310>but today you'd get dozens of videos and photos from different angles"Cool, must be a viral marketing campaign for some kind of movie"
>>87978449Vampires can heal the hole with a lick. But even with vampire victims...how would you find out about it? Think about the information stranglehold the rich have right now, and then imagine that wealth and power multiplied over several centuries and with an intent on making sure nobody knows you exist. Would the local news really report that a victim was found drained of blood when some elder's ghoul runs the network? Would you really believe some crackpot conspiracy site about "They're walking among us, man! Wizards and Werewolves are real too!!".
>>87976394>breaker breaker Roger Doogie, we have a bogie on our 6>*blurry shape that could be dirt moves slightly*>Joe Rogan stumbles through three more hours of retardationTruly life changing. Truly captures the imagination.
>>87980357Have the past three years not taught you how hysterical people will get?
>>87980624Oh yeah, you've got a point. So when a government official says that vampires might be real, there would probably be a massive reactionary backlash from people who insist that it's all part of a deep state plan to make everyone eat bugs and live in coffin apartments and own nothing.
>>87976335Anon, if you have enough money and influence you can get away with literally fucking anything even in broad daylight.See Epstein's clients, or BLM burning, looting and murdering in front of cameras and still being called peaceful & harmless, Netherlands farmers being branded dangerous conspirationnists for protesting against the most massive expropriation shenanigan ever made, etcSupernatural shit would be the easiest to keep under wrap, just have your journalists accuse every witness to be some flat-earther nutjob on drugs, and every photo/videos to be some bad AI photoshops made by Russia or whatever other country is the big baddy this month.If anything it would be even easier *now* than in the 90s.
>>87978458>and nobody knows for sure how it appeared or why it's still going (likely gas)Yes we do.The region is just a giant natural gas field with shitty bedrock that collapse into doline really easily.Commies engineers set it on fire because it was leaking toxic gas and they though the pocket would be consumed rapidly.Turn out those doline (there is several of them in the region, just not on fire, often flooded if someone here want a toxic natural jacuzzi) are apparently sitting on a country sized porous gaz sponge, so that entrance is still alimented in gaz and thus still burning.Not everything weird is unexplained. Sometime the explanation is just really dumb.>The sky in multiple american cities turned red a couple of years back, and it was either "fire" or "weather phenomenon"Considering how often your industry leak massive amount of dangerous chemical and every politician & journalist will look the other way because money...Just look at the recent train crash and how all the poisoning that happened nearby just after it is being branded as "completely natural" or "completely unrelated" because it would make the administration look bad for letting this shit happen.
>>87978413>It's just cgi bro
>>87976335Mass surveilance would probably implemented by Camarilla to monitor masquarade violations to begin with.
>>87976335What I usually do is that I replace "them" with vampires in the game, so movies, tv and advertisings are controled by vampires
>>87976335It works because of the plot altering presence of the sleeping Antediluvians with 10 dots in Obfuscate, Dominate and Dementation. And of course Kain hasn't repented.
>>87976394This. It just gets marked as misinformation and nobody cares.
>>87981346What is with weird people showing up on subways?
>>87976394Or the CIA documents released 3-4 years ago showing how their agents are literally training and using psychic abilities to see into the past and far away in the present.
>>87980310Most of the surveillance cameras in the city of London don't actually work. Surveillance cameras are only in public or maybe corporate areas, just don't do masquerade breaking shit in public, this was known.Ghoul/dominate someone with the authority to pull and delete any footage that raises eyebrows.If some retard leaks it online, discredit it with your media attack dogs and drown it in white noise.The Masquerade is fine, people would honestly believe any other possible cause before vampires.
>>87978449>So far it is just unexplained and does not hurt humansDon't look up the thousands of people who disappear every year lol
>>87981406There's also the Bleach effect where hollows are only seen by certain people even though they can do real physical damage.
The belief in vampires would belong extensively to antivaxxers/flat earth/qanon types and since no one with a reasonably scientific mind buys what they're selling anyway the vampire conspiracies wind up largely ignored.
>>87981545>be vampire>start blood bank>file taxes as a nonprofit
>>87980927This.Plus, imagine for a second that VtM/WoD lore was real and trying to explain literally any part of it to someone without sounding like a schizo."You know Bela Lugosi? He's actually a *real* vampire now. He never actually died. Someone just turned him into a vampire and he went crazy and thought he was actually Dracula. Here look I have a picture! No...no it's NOT a cosplayer. It's actually him!"
>>87983549World of Darkness makes the excuse that WoD Mortals are even more skeptical than their real-world counterparts, which offers a bit more leeway when it comes to masquerade violations or witnessing anything supernatural in general.
>>87981400From top left to bottom right> Nosferatu> Brujah> Confused Setite> Gangrel who'se ST doesnt understand how echolocation works. > The token Black Tremere. > Toreador who got embraced purely because she liked HIM and no other reason. Wishes she was a Gangrel.
>>87976335It's the advancement of tech that makes it all the more likely that they would continue getting away with it.Think about all the bullshit people can pull with AI generated images, video editing, etc etc. If someone posted a video of a vampire feeding on here with LiveLeak in the bottom corner would anyone buy it?
>>87976335This day and age is absolutely perfect. Social media and the information age has turned everyone into a schizo expert. One video of vampires hits the web and a few placed comments, reports/cries over harassment or kink shaming; gone! And everyone moves on. It's like that X-Files revival episode about "Reggie Something" where the antagonist reveals that Scully and Mulder aren't needed in this day and age. WW are too weak now to lean that deeply into the consequences of rampant disinformation, culture war, conspiracy culture and then some anyway.
>>87976335>implying that real vampires don't just hide in plain site as vampire LARPersIt's like you've never been to a goth bar. The LARPers will dead ass drink real blood for the aesthetic.
>>87976335Apathy and ignorance in an age of oversaturation and distraction. You have a super computer in your pocket you can access thousands of years of human history and knowledge. Not what we do with it though.
>>87981405excuse me the FUCKING WHAT NOW
>>87976434The problem isn't the average joe seeing it, the problem is vampire hunters would find vampires quicker
>>87980674>massive reactionary backlash from people who insist that it's all part of a deep state plan to make everyone eat bugs and live in coffin apartments and own nothing.A Great Reset analogy would be closer to "NGO does a fucking publicity spot for Ventrue and then tries to walk it back after backlash".
>>87981405>>87985590Project Stargate. Anon is exaggerating, it's not like there are psyker units or something. The movie Men Who Stare at Goats was about it.WoD fans really need to get to /x/ more, you'd get some good ideas.
>>87976335Yes. That's not why the game died, though.
>>87976335V5 addresses this. Basically, as >>87976394 says, people just disbelieve. But the government's know and have launched a massive extermination project against all the supernatural creatures. I believe H5 actually even addresses this directly, with some of them now being government or private organizations (but also obviously the bad guys because government and private corporations are evil or some shit) and using these surveillance systems to find Vampires to go kill them.So, ironically enough, the worst version for lore has some of the best justifications for this type of this.Also, really depends where you are. I know Vampire was always an American thing, with maybe some UK and Canada, so that I understand. But in a lot of places surveillance on such a scale simply does not exist. Not in a most of Europe, not in most of Asia, absolutely not in Africa. If I set it in my neck of the woods there'd be little risk of this as long as you avoid banks, ATMs, hospitals, schools, and police stations. The rest has no cameras, even in the bigger cities. Not sure how long that'll last, but then, a handful of years ago, when the government tried to privatize water, there were votings against and nigh on riots, and government official lost their jobs. Not long before then we sent people to prison for trying to set up some kind of databank registry. I forget what it even was about. But shit like that doesn't fly here. Maybe in a generation or two when the old guard die off and the idiotic Americanization takes over. But fuck I hope not.
>>87980927Apparently the farmer situation actually has its strongs held by capital. Some billion euro firms organising and funding all of it, livestock feed firms, milk processing firms etc. The situation's fucked no matter how you look at it, but rich families using livestock to keep the kine in check? There's some poetry to it
the information age makes vampire much more interesting, not harder to uphold the masquerade>toreadors saturate news feeds with bogus claims: who cares about a video of a nosferatu feeding when a toreador and their troupe constantly upload and debunk fake paranormal videos?>Camarillas take over tech firms in order to develop more suppressive algorithms>politically savvy brujahs egg their followers to stay within certain echo chambers: do not follow X account, do not engage with Y poster, etc.Back in the early 2010s it was speculated the internet would bring to worldwide democratic revolutions, riding the high of the arab spring, but the same decade demonstrated the internet could also be used by governments to co-op movements and spread propaganda (Russian IRA, Firewall of China, fake news, etc)
>>87977018Is this fun bit of trivia from the same people who brought you interesting facts such as, “Oh, this super rare condition where getting hit in a VERY specific part of the chest in a freak accident will make you have a sudden heart attack, in no way related to heart-weaking experimental inoculations. But it totally just happened to this poor athlete, just trust us?” Because it’s funny how often we’re now conveniently hearing about all these mysterious trail derails.
>>87976335Are there any settings that actually handle a Masquerade well, in you opinion? What about ones where the fact that it still exists makes no sense? Pic semi-related.
>>87980507Even more than that those sites get flooded with as much splinting pay OP miss direction as possible till you've got factions blaming werewolves on big Zion putting dog dna in milk cartons.
>>87981572It's the ventrue way
>>87990492>blaming werewolves on big Zion putting dog dna in milk cartons.Sounds like something Pentex might do
>>87988699>anon discovers the US has shit infrastructure It’s what happens when a country is cucked by the automobile industry
>>87976335Oh ge camera which we can easily develop a power to take full control of are such an issue. If anything cameras will make the believe less in vampires as now they massive police state never finds any evidence despite the mass surveillance in place. New stuff is only a problem if vamp magic does not work on it, and vamp magic does
>>87990414Dresden Files was inspired by the World of Darkness, but once Butcher got his feet he largely blew up the conceits that were boring.
>>87990847It's more oil. Cars are just a secondary offshoot of that. At least we have nice roads.
>>87980507>on making sure nobody knows you existThey wouldn't even bother with hiding.Jews don't, and they committed, commit and are working to commit much more vile shit than most of what even the edgiest faction of WoD commit.As long as you are good enough at making yourself the victim, and smearing anyone who is saying otherwise, you don't have to hide in any way.
>>87991090What are you talking about, for those of us who haven’t read the books? And we’re these changes for the better in your opinion?
>>87994703Dresden's world was sort of a xerox of the World of Darkness (original) at first. About eight books in, Butcher begins blowing up most of the conceits that are built for that world; vampires eventually even try to take over the world openly, forcing Dresden to put up with the shitty shitlords on the wizard (mage) council.I'd honestly recommend reading them if you're into epic fantasy.
The Masquerade isn't even what bothers me, even in modern times is "doable". What i found impossible to exist in a modern setting was the Sabbat and their murder orgies and mass embraces. One thing is a group of vampires doing everything they can to stay under the radar, another is a militante group that engage in mass kidnappings, murderous orgies with lots of people being killed.They stumbled with the vampires due reading nossie mail but nobody ever noticed lots of people disappearing at once. In a setting with mages, vampire hunters, werewolves, etc, that is lot of people clued in.One good thing the V5 did was to getting rid of the Sabbat, mostly.
>>87996016I actually love the Sabbat and what they represent, but they REALLY do not fit into the previously established setting, for those exact reasons. A world with them in it would be closer to X-Men or something, where you had good guy vampires doing the work of keeping the bad guy vamps in check, while being only slightly less reviled by the general population.Like, it doesn't even work from a "oh, they just stick to active warzones or something" approach, because the Sabbat are almost fundamentally incapable of making good decisions.
>>87980507Eyup, and that's just for the ghouls. I'm as much of a tinfoiler as they come and even I start wondering when people start talking about reptilians, kyle odom, DMT entities, or black cube of saturn have backing to them beyond schizo shitposting, or if it's just more false leads pushed by glowies to distract from actually important themes like falseflag ops and WEFshit. Now imagine someone telling you Louis Pasteur was a vampire and werewolves killed the secret president of Nestle who was putting lust demons in soda for the Bilderberg Group.>>87983549Also to this add the convoluted setting that not even people who play it can agree on a canon of.
>>87996016have you been to mexico
>>87996190Ok but isn't their second most important city Montreal?
>>87996190>MexicoThey had bases all around, not only Mexico>VTMB is considered canon>the Sabbat had a whole buildiing in downtown LA as their base>they had a fucking giant pool of blood in the basement>corpses all around>it isn't someone like Pisha that was keeping a low profile at an ruined place>it was a whole apartment building crawling with sabbat goons and a giant blood pool inside>nobody noticed even if the Camarilla base was at the other side of street and every supernatural group in the region was hostile to the Sabbat
>>87996222you could literally hang a canadian upside down and exsanguinate them like a hog but they wouldnt freak out unless trudeau told them to on the news
>>87985740That would only be if you assume all the videos are, indeed, genuine. It's the perfect digital chaff, and if bored assholes on 4chan aren't making enough fake vids then bored idiots on VampChan would do it. I mean once they get tired of responding, "Not your personal ghoul," and are reminded that that meme is deader than they are.
>>87976335Vampires probably have their agents in the media. The Great Firewall and Parag's Twitter suggests that it's way more achievable than you think.In general, censorship works. For every failure of censorship, there are dozens of successes you don't hear about.
>>87996174>3rd grade reading levelawkward as fuck, anon
>>87990658Exactly, with pentex and everything else running around even if you have someone correctly guess that vampires are real there are a hundred other rabbit holes for them to wander down before they find a real vampire
>>87994853There's a couple of RPG adaptations, are they any good? Also, how would you rate the magic system?
>>87976335If you don't like the Masquerade you could probably just do True Blood. You could also make some information about the supernatural publicly available like Spirits/Ghosts in Orpheus. People think Vampires are "Leech Spirits" or something and get some facts correct and other facts wrong.
>>87976688theyre gonna use a nuke in ukraine and falseflag it on russia
>>87999577>theyre gonna use a nuke in ukraine and falseflag it on russiaThe aliens or the vampires?
>>87996016>and their murder orgies and mass embraces. Epstein managed a child rape&murder resort island for which nearly every american with lots of money or power got an invite, and it lasted for decades.... and even when it fell from being too blatant, everything from clients to victims got covered.Camarilla would have 0 trouble keeping the sabbat's crap under lid, especially since most of it can be rebranded as usual cartel/terrorism/drug addicts stuff.
>>88000323He also may have been Mossad. Never underestimate the willingness of a nation-state actor to suppress the shit out of information it can use as a weapon.
>>87985740Yeah but so much surveillance and the prevalence of the fakes would also mean that it's easier for law enforcement to catch the schizos that show up with crossbows and stakes everytime they see motion blur in a video of someone running fast. Even the glowies would waste tons of resources on fakes.
I could buy it if they acted completely in secret, like they all lived underground in bavaria controlling the world or something. But they're just hanging out at nightclubs and shit. People talk. People are gonna notice that loads of people can't leave the house during the day, that there's parts of the city you don't hang out because people keep waking up feeling anemic, someone's gonna get in a fight posted on worldstar where a dude gets his head ripped clean off, etc. The seventeenth time someone fucks up and leaves a shoe print in some blood and kills five cops before exploding into dust at 2 in the afternoon outside an apartment complex is gonna get people talking.Maybe an open secret, where you don't talk about it if you know what's good for you, but you can't have a fractured society of people that eat people living day to day in major cities without people catching on.
>>87999207DFA is pretty good. The older Dresden Fate game is...more fun to read than play.Because the games are built around Fate, magic is just whatever your narrative permission defines it as. If you're a council wizard, the rules are what the council imposes, not real limits on what you can hypothetically do.
>>87978449All that shit would violate YouTube and TikTok's ToS so 95% of the public wouldn't ever see it on the niche gore platforms and everybody who did see it and tried to show it to other people would be publicly shamed eg WorldStar viewers and the loudest of them would be killed at the height of their ignominy.>Did you hear Scott Adams was found dead and missing 90% of the blood in his body?>Serves him right
>>87976335It just depends on whether supernatural powers affect technology (and why shouldn't they). If you can obfuscate evidence off a computer as easily as someone's memories, then you're golden.
>>87976394>an enormous amount of UFO documentation declassified less than a year ago,It was mostly just a load of navy and air force reports of UAP that were never followed up on
>>87976394In this cynical time of misinformation, disinformation, and malicious information, no one would care. The ones affected the most would the Hunters, who are cast out far more than usual. It doesn't help that their most advocate supporter, an Imbued radio talk show host, was recently sued because his ravings finally caught up to him.
>>87976335Doesn't the world end in 2004?>ShitconOh, yeah, my bad, I forgot nu-WodofDarkness.
>>87998368you still havent used the proper word, just heard something and wrote done shit
>>88006253I'm sorry, I can see you're having fun down in that hole anon, but would you mind backing the fuck up off my dick?I highly, highly recommend utilizing a dictionary.
>>87976335>>87976344fpbpI totally agree with VTM not being able to survive today. I think it would struggle even in 2000s let alone 2020s. Remember when Jack talked about cellphone cameras? He was talking about phones in 2004.Yes you can do some 2nd inqusition, camarilla controling the internet and all that jazz but I think magic of vtm is lost in process. I really think VtM is a 90s game, in feel, in mood, its is a puire 90s game, inspired by the goth culture of 80s and the vampire media of late 80s (lost boys etc)
>>87976335The Camarilla have probably pushed the deployment of deepfake technology and AI imagery to purposely muddy the waters. They likely also run massive content farms to publish counter narratives.
Doesn't V5 solve this by saying the SI is doing double duty hunting vampries and making sure normalfags don't find out about them?Like someone tries to upload video of crazy vampire shit to the internet and 20 different glowie agencies AND the vampires are on it to stop them.
>>87976335"Vampires cant be caught on camera".....woooo fixed your ass
>>88000323That is a misinterpretation of what Epstein's purpose was. He, like the Finders and other intelligence apparatus linked pedophile/human trafficking rings before him, was employed to create a secret keeping apparatus. The children and 'clients' were more often targets, with groups like the CIA wanting compromising pictures of politicians in order to keep control over them. Basically if what the Finders did is something to go by it's:>up and coming politician gets invited to After After Party>they go because it is part of a career climb>a CIA asset ensures they drink enough to be absolutely plastered>CIA asset puts them in a compromising position near a child>takes pictures, these pictures are then used as blackmail materialBoth sides of the isle do this, they just use different organizations to accomplish it. These sort of blackmail honeypots are far more common than the actual pedophiles even. The reason Epstein was swept under the rug was because he was always part of the USA intelligence apparatus, and because the government exploits kids to control people.
>>87976335Vampires don't show up on cameras dumdum.
>>88008925>>88008733Vampires not appearing on cameras would make their existence more obvious once cameras became that widespread. Random people on the street would stop showing up in pictures.
>>88008925Don't they blur, rather than blank?
>>88008959Lasombra come up as blurred, warped, or otherwise (conspicuously) indistinguishable. All other clans show up fine.Plus, modern digital cameras don't even use mirrors.
How do Changelings deal with modernity? Is there a Masquerade with them, too?
>>88001996>The older Dresden Fate game is...more fun to read than play.What exactly are the issues with it?
>>88010482As long as you mine the entrance to the wormhole and keep them trapped in the Gamma Quadrant, who cares how they deal?
>>88010880You don't understand, the Changeling could be any one of us.It could be you!It could be me!It could even be-
>>87976516Anon, did you somehow miss the time when Blink182 forced the US government to admit UFO's were real? This is a real thing that happened.
>>87976335We are actually just exiting the period where this was true thanks to widely available technology to fake videos.There'd be hundreds of real videos of supernatural phenomena on youtube and thousands of fake ones, and the viewers would have no way to tell the difference.
>>87976335While I've never storyteller'd a VtM game so I try not to think about it cuz ultimately the setting should just be a vehicle for your story, I've only played a oneshot and I generally just took it to be that the WoD world sucks so much and is so nihilistic that things like people going missing and falling through the cracks in shit like Sabbat mass embraces is just kind of something that goes unnoticed in the setting. Whether this be due to Camarilla control of the media and internet suppressing Masquerade breaks or just because the ST doesn't want to write in worrying about cameras to the detriment of the story, a bit of suspension of disbelief should be used because if every mook my coterie killed had a missing persons report I would just be annoyed by how much information I'd have to track in my game. I don't imagine there's any happy amount of detail checking that would make the realism of wacky vampire world airtight.
>>87985590daily reminder that all the major players of ww2 used the services of various wizards and mystics but the allies won and downplayed their own use of magic so people mostly only know of "cooky nazi mysticism"
>>87976335The late 90s/early 00s would've unironically been the worst time for the masquerade. Cameras were everywhere, the internet was growing and still a wild west and realistic looking CGI was too expensive to be used in random internet videos. If people started spreading around videos of supernatural shit then it has the possibility of snowballing into at least a sizeable minority of people believing it's real, I mean look at how many people bought into The Blair Witch Project.By comparison pre-90s if you had a videotape of a vampire then you'd have to take it to a news agency or police station or something where some vampires would eventually find out about it and then replace the video with something harmless. Post-00s the internet is regulated enough that vampires can ban anyone and any content they don't like and CGI and other visual tricks are common enough that there's nothing you could post that people wouldn't immediately think is fake.
>>87976335>Alex Jones says vampires exist >like 3/4 of America could be getting actively bitte by a vampire and would still deny they exist because of political affiliations and guilt by associationIt's never been easier to get people to steadfastly refuse to believe stuff even when shown solid evidence. All you need to do is say The Other Guy believes it and everyone else will immediately take the opposite side. Political tribalism in America has never made it easier to discredit anything.
>>88011926Reminder that the frogs were actually turning female because of shit corporations were dumping.
>>87976335we have tons of people claiming covid and war is ukraine are fake and everyone is gaslighting them.>vampires are fake>here's a video>fuck off it's cgi >why no big news about it on CNNor like anon up there said, oversaturation of media and news
The vampires all part of the Democratic party and get free reign to do whatever the fuck they want.
>>87986144>The movie Men Who Stare at Goats was about it.Weird name for a movie. Still, the idea of actual military psychics is a cool one. Why call it “Stargate” though?
>>87985740This is why new vamps deliberately flood the web with fakes.
>>87985590Look up Guy Savelli.
>>87990847The US has extensive railway infastructure devoted to material transport, upon which it largely depends. That's different from underdeveloped passenger rail.
>>87996016Yeah I have to agree. The Sabbat were so egregious that the writers should have invented some sort of supernatural masking effect that obscured their nature, if not their crimes. Bonus points for it pissing off the edgelords who want to thump their chests at humanity. The Sabbat not being the ones to breach the Masquerade seems like a huge oversight.
>>87981406Not anymore. People having surveillance cameras at home is pretty common nowadays. They are everywhere. Practically every street.
>>88011926Reminder that Alex Jones was banned off every major social media platform in the same day but don't worry he's just a nut spouting baseless conspiracies and the corporations have your best interests at heart.
>>87976335we have global pedo rings and elites engaging in all kinds of degenerate behavior operating throughout the entire world. The masquerade is absolutely feasible even in the current time.
>>87978413>But a giant ball of mutating, pulsating, ever-changing eyes and jaws and ooze from some ancient depth of the ocean crawling in the middle of London or some shit? You can't ignore THATPart and parcel, mate.
>>87996337>giant pool of blood in the basement>corpses all around>LAThat's not unusual at all for LA. In fact I would say it's actually a bit above average for LA.
>>88019595This series worth picking up?
>>87978449They can heal the bitemarks by licking them. Think about how easy it would be for a corrupt establishment to blame random dead people on other shit.>Opioid epidemic>COVID>"Sudden Death" heart attacks>SuicideLike that's just the last couple of years. Combine with all the wild shit technology can do nowadays. Big tech and media companies could be burying anything that shows up in the algorithm. Jannies could be range-banning anyone who posts pictures of werewolf victims.
>>88014984Yeah. World famous pedophile gets busted and caught with records and recordings of tons of famous people who went to his private pedo island.Then the guy magically commits suicide while on suicide watch in a maximum security prison by hanging himself with a bedsheet which just so happened to look exactly like he was violently strangled to death.Now it's at the point where everyone knows. LITERALLY everyone knows that Epstein did not kill himself. Anyone who claims that he did is lying. You know this. I know this. Everyone who is not the most fingers-in-ears boomer alive knows this. Nobody is ever going to be arrested, the investigation will be quietly dropped now that that whore he was working for is in prison, and nobody's going to do shit.So like, what if it came out that Vampires are real and the State just ignores it? All media outlets ignore it. Exact same thing. "uuu but people r dying" yeah bro the homicide rate rose 30% in the last two years, when was the last time you heard about that? Did we get an apology for years of riots and the police back? No lol. The people will just shut their cuckold mouths and pretend to be excited for whatever fake shit the State orders them to care about next. Admitting that you got tricked is harder for most people than actually risking being eaten by vampires would be.
>>88019595>not that high humanity vampire to actually eat food>need blush of life to just store the food for some times in the stomach Waste of a good apple xddd
>>88008912>they werent really kiddy diddlers it was all a setupanon
>>87978449It would literally go like this. >couple of murders picked up by the news>might make headlines with a lot of clickbait articles about vampires >because these articles are basically white noise it just gets washed away in the internet >might get some shitposting about how it's a diversion for some other thing going on
>>88008925Both film and digital?
>>88021553Mage, or Changeling?
I think people routinely forget that the World of Darkness is a world of DARKNESS. It's worse than the normal world. Both it and Chronicles explain that they are different from the real world even beyond the supernatural elements. oWoD's a world where massive gothic buildings dominate every city's skyline. It's a world where the number of people that go missing is 10x higher than our own, and then 10x higher than what's reported. Terrorism, murder, and war are more common. When you factor this sort of thing in, it becomes easy to hide the bodies piling up from some secret blood war being waged in the shadows.If you still can't suspend disbelief based on that or the other things in the thread, the easiest fix is some kind of weirdness filter like what Changelings (especially in Chronicles) and Werewolves get. Perhaps doing explicitly supernatural things as a vampire muddles the minds of witnesses or scrambles recording.
Do Vampires and other supernatural beings fear The Pope, and not like Benedict or Frankie, but someone like John Paul II?
>>88021744>first one and then the other>nobody wanted Rasputin to rise from the dead>again>any of them
>>88021867>Do Vampires and other supernatural beings fear The Pope, and not like Benedict or Frankie, but some rando from Ethiopia?Fixed.
>>87986937it'd be hilarious if we saw sort of a reverse exodus, at a time when most humans try to move from the south/third world to the north, vampires try to move the other way to places that have far shittier surveillance and easily corruptible governments/law enforcement (the average elder could legit bankroll a small african country's elites all day)Especially now that the third world is decently urbanized to the point that you don't have to worry about wolves.
>>87984451>Gangrel who'se ST doesnt understand how echolocation works.Nah, he just has animal eyes as his feature and wears the black glasses to hide them. No one's going to wonder why a blind man is wearing black glasses at night or underground or stare too closely at them.Sometimes he slips up though, like here. Or maybe he just got an important message. But people who see that aren't going to freak out, they're just going to assume he's faking being blind to beg for money or scam welfare or whatever. All that matters is that his eyes are hidden and people have a natural explanation for why.
>>87999577>>87999629Canonically the Technocracy nuked India and blamed it on Pakistan, right?
>>87976335Those are all deepfakes, anon. Vampires? Fucking ridiculous. Do you think all the presidents sit around playing video games too?
>This is the age of information. Stealth is not about hiding; it’s about inundating.>We leak the truth. Then we leak whole zettabytes of other junk. Opposing data, Similar data. Nonsense data. Ad nauseam. Mesmerism by cat memes. Hypnotised. Apathy for the win.>The human brain has only so much bandwidth. Critical thought can actually O.D. on input. Bury the ultimate secret of the universe in the shallow grave of the 5th page of a Google search and no one would ever find it. Cover-ups are so passé."This is how you do it!"
I've long thought the Masquerade was unnecessary. I can very easily imagine a world where the fangs are out there snatching people up and the people in power see no reason to take action, between political influence/lobbying from elders, disinterest in committing resources, and general incompetence. Speaking as an Amerifat, we lose tens of thousands of people to air pollution every year and it doesn't even rate a mention. If they were normalized as just an ordinary part of life, vampires could go pretty hog wild without anyone giving a fuck.
>>87999629>>88021744>vampires and aliens team up to nuke Ukraine and kick-start WW3Are you a bad enough dude to stop them?
>>88022122I think I'd rather play Fallout but with vampires if that's the alternative. Could be fun.
>>87996337https://interestingengineering.com/culture/25-places-you-cant-see-on-google-maps-or-google-street-viewThis is literally the first search on Google made by an aggregator. How many thousands of places do you think are off-limits? Do you know everything that happens in every house in CA?
So a few days ago grandma showed me some vid she stumbled across on facebook. Supposedly "this was seen in the sky above Turkey right before the earthquake."It was... shit, I don't know, it looked a bit like a jellyfish made of pure energy floating in the sky or something like that. Totally surreal and alien-looking, maybe too clean/crisp to be really convincing but it'd have been trivial to make it grainier or whatever.Naturally I chuckled but I had no actual argument against it other than "I don't believe whatever randos post on facebook", but if it was real everyone would be talking about it on the news... right?My grandma seemed to believe it (she was always pretty open to /x/ shit) but it's not like it changed anything for her either. She didn't obsess or rave about aliens, she probably just thought it was an interesting video and that it showed the world is full of mysteries. She's probably forgotten about it already. Tomorrow she's going to find some ghost photos or maybe a vid of a freaky cryptid, and those will just brighten her day a little too.
>>87996016I mean I wouldn't find it that odd, really as long as it's not in most of Europe or the USA they could probably pull that shit off easily.
>>88022153By sheer coincidence I was reading this greentext in another tab.
>>87991381Who's to say they're not already vampires? They drink blood, worship dark gods, and seem to have some sort of supernatural powers that keep favoring them. Their tribe is divided into smaller groups, each with their own domain and influence, but at the end of the day they always come together and have the same goal, no matter where they are. They're always paranoid about being genocided, because they really believe that's the only way humanity will act against them if they're exposed, so they have to micromanage everything ad nauseam. And they all have basic low-level but powerful "spells" that allow them to change the discourse at any time.
>>87976335>It was kind of a stretch even in 1990.And dumb faggots like you were also screeching about it back in the early 90s, that "now we have so much surveillance technology and other shit!"Does it matter for the game or the setting? Not in the slightest. But since you don't playm you are crying about theoretical concepts instead, presenting them as some sort of universe nullifier, for you not only don't play, but also are autistic.
>>87980536>>88002500Way to prove his point
>>88000323One thing is a rich mofo doing abuses and crimes, mostly sexual and which ended up being exposed, disgracing him and his inner circle, another is a cabal of bloodsucking undead with penchant to bloody murder if not kepting their impulses in check (vampires can turn murderous by just insults and social anxiety)The orders of magnitude are totally different. Epstein didn't threatend the status quo, he was just a criminal, totally different of beings with awful tempers to downright sociopaths that look to you as a food source.Epstein orgy island was dissolved, now imagine a cabal of vampires like the Sabbat, that revel in murder orgies with large numbers of people (much worse than Epstein and like enticing teenagers to his orgies)If a single word of such thing escape (Sabbat cerimonies), the Sabbat would be in dire straits, and a thing like that always leak
>>88022172Why would jellyfish aliens travel all the way to earth to cause an earthquake in fucking Turkey of all places
>>88024059Anon, half of the US' political class was in.And his island had several mass graves for all the kids who ended up here.It was fucking *worse* than most Sabbat/Camarilla bullshit.
>>87976344FPBPIn fact, I'd argue you MUST set a Masquerade game in the '90s, but it requires for your players to actually buy into it.
>>87976335then you don't understand the surveillance State or the move of informationyou can't convince anyone of anything they don't already believepresenting people with evidence causes them to double down not give wayjust look at the January 6th dog and pony show
>>87990847just what happens when the federal government makes it illegal to stop working
>>88014180yeah it's literally worthless because there's so much footage and no one will believe you anywayevidence doesn't convince people and never will
>>88002144obviously they took down LiveLeak to protect vampires
>>87983596less skeptical and more invested in the status quo and averting your eyes when you see shit so it's not your problem
>>87996016you know people get Colombian neckties in America right?
>>88005095not really there was just kind of a choose Your own adventure supplement that said at the beginning we're ending the games and publishing new ones good luck with this shit
>>88008710no they didn't solve it they had an idiot who doesn't know about the security State who thought every game should end with the feds busting down the door and killing everyone
>>87981400I really wanna know the story behind the top left photo.
>>87986937V5 doesn't actually address it it just means into your very poor understanding of the security state that one of the developers also hadit makes less than no senseentirely driven by a desire for the feds to bust in the door at the end which just isn't how real life works in fact the government being competent enough for a second Inquisition is less believable than a vampire existing in our world
>>88025205grillzjust a normal day in the city
>>87984549Only if the person recording kept saying "Worldstar" and every time he did the vamp looked at him annoyed
>>88024687No idea. To make it more confusing she brought it up after a conversation about some alleged Soviet experiments with "earthquake machines"I have no idea what a floating energy jellyfish in the sky supposedly has to do with soviet tech but that's apparently all she needed to conclude something's up with an earthquake happening in a region prone to earthquakes.
>>88025617>out here Vamps be wildin>wuurrrldstah!>wuurrrldstah!
>>88024715>his island had several mass gravesno it doesn't. and it'd be completely stupid if you think about it, when you live on a tiny island in the shark-infested carribean sea with no neighbors around for hundreds of miles there are many smarter methods of corpse disposal than burying them all in your fucking garden.
>>88025951>He need some milk!
>>87978413You underestimate what I'm capable of Ignoring
>>87976335>I just don't believe it's possible for the Masquerade to survive into 2023That's just what they want you to think
A few people have mentioned Pentex, and their subsidiaries are basically helping the Masquerade stay in place. Like O'Tolley's selling food that makes people overweight and lose ambition while they watch Omni Televisions mind rotting shows and commercials with subliminal advertising, taking medications that muck with their minds and so forth. So, the general population is predominantly agreeable to whatever line of BS that is out there and eager to disbelieve anything that doesn't fit that preset. So, you've got a Vampire and a Werewolf fighting on video? It's guys in suits and CGI. Modern Day Scooby Doo rubber masked monsters.
>>87976335The Technocracy has thousands of unpaid interns and AI who scour the internet so they can post "FAKE AND GAY" in the comments of each and every piece of media that actually depicts the supernatural.
>>88024687There's no more universal trait than hatred for turkroaches.
Are there any general novels out there based in the World of Darkness world? Not a scenario or anything, but an actual novel? Like, something for Changelings, Vampires, Werewolves, Leprechauns and stuff?
>>88032251Man, this used to be common knowledge but I guess some people are getting into the hobby just now.Yes, there's a huge collection of WoD novels, mainly for Vampire. In fact 3rd ed's metaplot/the end times was largely told through a series of novels for each Clan, and an equivalent clan novel series for the Dark Ages serving as prequel/background for the characters. They're all quite decent in their own right too, I recommend reading them even if you don't care for the plot.Besides that there were several other novels (often trilogies) that didn't really deal with the metaplot, those were often written during 2nd ed mostly. I know some short story anthologies also came out since the V20 reboot, if you consider those novels, maybe there have been other since then. I consider Beckett's Jyhad Diary to be a sort of epistolary novel too with commentary too.Then there's also visual novel/text adventure games that came out recently, I played Coteries/Shadows of New York and they're pretty nice. I hear there were a bunch of novel games as mobile apps too but I don't touch that in general.I remember there was some fiction for Werewolf and Mage too at least but I'm a VtM guy so I don't remember the details. Go look them up on Whitewolf wikia
>>87976394none of those turned into anything real though, if there was anything with actual aliens that was proveable without a shadow of a doubt we'd have it as the new focus for humanity.
>>88032818Oh I forgot, there was a novel saga for Hunter too, dealing with several splats from the imbued's viewpoint.
>>88032251>>88032818https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Clan_Novel_Sagahttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Ages_Clan_Novel_Sagahttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Clan_Novel_Anthologyhttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Clan_Novel_Trilogyhttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/The_Beast_Within_Revisedhttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Masquerade_of_the_Red_Death_Trilogyhttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Trilogy_of_the_Blood_Cursehttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/The_Essential_World_of_Darknesshttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/The_Endless_Ages_AnthologyI think that's the major ones.
>>88032944Some more for the Dark Ages:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Grails_Covenant_Trilogyhttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Tyrantshttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Penance_By_Firelighthttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/The_Cainite_Conspiracies_Anthology
>>88032996>>88032944>>88032818Ah yes, thank you!
>>88021327Oh they are pedophiles, don't get me wrong, I just believes human trafficker honeypots are more common.
>>87976335Vampires aren't caught on camera, is the same principle as mirrors
>>88034596So, they'd just see a vampire's clothes floating in the air then? And what about digital cameras that don't use mirrors?
>>87980029That's the same thing you retard hahahahaha
Hey OP, are you the same anon who started a VtM thread a while back, you said you bought some world of Darkness visual novels namely "cotaries of New York" and "cotaries of Los Angeles"? Did you like it?
>>88034596I thought that was (usually) just lasombras
>>88034596The only reason they don't appear in mirrors is because silver is a holy&pure metal that can be soiled by the reflection of something as unholy as a vampire.Any non-silver based reflective surface will show them normally, same for your camera.Unless it's Lasombras, but they have a specific curse that extend to anything that could help them see themselves.
>>88040907I don't recognize second from the left. Which org is she supposed to represent? I know center is Illuminati, center-right is Dragon, and right is Templars.
>>88041383She was a filler character who dies in Tokyo, if I am remembering correctly. She may have been an triangle person, I think. Or unaligned, like the guy on the far left.
>>88041383She's Council, I think?
>>88040907Second from right vaguely looks like Emiru lol
>>88041383The old guys's unaligned, the katana girl is with the Council of Venice. Part of the tutorial is in her memory, you save her when you first go to Tokyo.
>>88039328most modern mirrors dont use silvermost old mirrors didnt either
>>88019847shadows of new york is better
>>88044064Why is it better? I haven’t checked out either yet, but I might.
>>87976335yeah, pedo elites clubs are myth too
>>87976335What the fuck are you talking about?With dating apps bringing people to you, everybody accusing everything of being photoshopped when it's too hard to believe it's real, people desperately wanting to be the intellectual faggots they are applying secularism and skepticism to everything, and people believing that they are being lied to or "glowing" to trick the populace, the Masquerade works more than ever in 2023.People in the 90s were still on a superstitious streak believing in le urban myth, le cryptids, and the possibilities of religion. That's why VTM was so fucking successful as a tabletop because shitstains back then had a genuine belief in the unknown and the darkness lurking in the shadows.
>>88051838>That's why VTM was so fucking successful as a tabletop because shitstains back then had a genuine belief in the unknown and the darkness lurking in the shadows.the worst part is those shit stains from the '90s are now the shit stain devs and fans that just deny reality even exists
>>87976394>UFO documentation declassified less than a year ago, and absolutely nobody gave a shit whatsoeverBecause most of it was "uh, we don't know what radar is showing us. Might be a UFO, might be a glitch."Vampires could probably do the same shit, especially with technology that lets them block their face. https://hackaday.com/2023/03/06/adversarial-ir-hoodie-lets-you-own-the-night-in-anonymity/Problem is that puts a target on the persons back with how the surveillance state would get a bug up their ass if everyone/a minority-"majority" started to do that.I think the bigger thing is: Doesn't the Vampire series have mages (one of the spin-offs like the Werewolves)? Wouldn't THEY be able to actually work some magic or something to where Vampires and the "goth underground" would be able to circumvent the tech anyway?
>>88046671shadows protagonist characterize vampires better than the 3 self inserts you get to choice in coteries
I never understood the Lamsombra bane. Specifically the part where we looked morbed out and demonic on camera and recordings but anyone looking at the recordings can correctly and exactly verify our identity? And they immediately conclude "vampire!"? Can someone explain that?
>>88014928He is you paint drinking retard
>>88052311Technocracy (Mage Men in Black) wouldn't be hiding vampires, they would be digging them out to give them a nice tan. Or rather they as a whole would, but they're not a hivemind and elder vampires might very well have some big players in their payroll. But they would have the means, one of their branches exists to brainwash the masses via media and could easily sell vampires as some schizo rambling. In fact it would actually very well be in their interests to keep the masses ignorant while waging their war in the shadows against reality deviants.
>>88054758the guy literally just reports on stuff
>>88056795NPC tier thought process.
>>88056997you must be the kind of retard who thinks that he came up with the Sandy Hook being fake theoryI'm sorry to tell you he didn't come up with the turning the frogs gay thing eitherAlex Jones is not breaking news and he's not breaking fake news eitherhis like entire career is discussing current eventsyou're just a tone policing retard who thinks someone should be raped to death by the government over ityou're against free speech and in your delusion and fight against Free speech you've decided to lie about Alex Jones
>>88010852It's built on Fate is is more complex than it probably needs to be and Wizards are absolutely busted, even with their refresh penalties.
>>88057126You are the most amazing self-unpacking moron. It's just letting you go to town on yourself.
>>88057626so you are retarded and lying and literally trying to poison the information supply for literally everyonethanks for admitting it
>>88013286>Why call it “Stargate” though?>>88013286the point of codenames is to not give hints to spys and eavesdroppers.
>>87976335OTOH we've a increasing supply of weirdos and conspiracy lunatics.Flat earthers were just a joke back then and look at us now, mastering making brain damage transmissible over internet.
>>87978449Something-something... I wanna say south-american gang related. There, now no-one cares.
>>88021867Some do, others fear dogs and butterflies.
>>88049244No, we just call them the ecclesiastical conclave.
This kind of games require a certain suspension of disbelief. Not just because the supernatural elements, but the level of obliviousness of the general public.Forget cellphones and cameras, just the amount of victims of anemia and sheer exsanguination in any city would call for a national emergency.Don't get me started with bloodsuckers having so much control over mortal institutions and top dogs, with none the wiser. That's why Requiem tried to downplay the "kindred rule the world" angle.
>>88063053>>88063053I don't think Kindreds ruled the world in VTM either but have implied means to get a lot of control to mask themselves and have position of power to coast in mortal society be it Ghouls who are in complete domination of their vampiric masters and will do everything possible to shadow their existence/do their bidding, or having vampiric powers to dominate and wipe the minds of people to essentially reprogram their narratives.
>>88063053nonsense, anon. haven't you heard of the (completely normal) outbreak of Spontaneous Neck Ruptures caused by Gangs On PCP armed with Barbeque Forks?
>>88013430Or real stories among the fakes.
>>88021692The big issue is the level of darkness is hard to pin down. And as an urban fantasy setting it also kinda markets as IRL+ magic. So people kinda forget that it is darker and crueler.
>>88067703they've been sandpapering the edge off since rod Ferrell killed those guys and white wolf cut heat over it
>>88056795I feel pity for you
>>88049244And sleep paralysis is natural.
Monster Hunter International gives some pretty compelling reasons as to why and how a masquerade would continue into the modern era. In short, the major world governments collaborate to keep things hidden because the current theory in vogue is that the more people believe in the supernatural, the more powerful it becomes. Whether or not this is exactly true is up for debate, but it can't be denied that keeping arcane magic under lock and key at least reduces the number of "child found the gun" incidents only with hordes of zombies and demons. On top of that, you have pressure from the more intelligent monsters to keep things civil- more than that, some actually use human intermediaries to lobby governments to turn a blind eye to their depredations.Excuse me? You thought your boss turned into a werewolf and tried to eat you? No, no, that's just PTSD from falling out the thirtieth floor, it's a miracle you're alive at all. Now take this check for thirty grand and keep your mouth shut or we'll finger you for illegal possession and you'll never see the light of day again.
>>88043176She's Council, you talk to her mentor about her right before the sewer chase and he authorizes you to enter Tokyo.
>>88022117Im not buying your book on Manbearpig you chucklefuck
>>88071584You'd be in there as soon as they said 'Chuck Tingle collab'.
>>88068927because I know that Alex Jones doesn't come up with anything on his own? literally just talks about things other people already areyou seem to think he's some sort of demon which is very odd
>>88063053>just the amount of victims of anemiaAnemia is very common. It affects about 6% of the population (8% of women, 4% of men). One study I saw said 25% of these cases are unexplained, so that's 1.5% of the population with unexplained anemia.In the World of Darkness, there's about one vampire per 100,000 people. If every vampire is feeding on 100 people per year and every single one of those people gets recorded as having anemia, that would raise the anemia rate by 0.1%. They're a rounding error. They don't even noticeably raise the unexplained anemia rate.
>>88075269But what about the concentration of cases? >vampires cultivate "herds" and have people addicted to their bitting and bloodsucking Any health department would take notice or the increase of cases concentrated at specific areas
>>88075467Not for something as trivial as that. Unless loads of people die they wouldn’t care.
>>88024687> Be jellyfish alien>travel to subjellysifh planet to watch the lower life forms> psychic fart from too much spice>causes massive earthquake
>>88075467people in cities don't get enough vitamin d anonthe concentration only happens with larger populations making it less concentrated
>>87976335It's important to remember that WoD's view of the average human's inquisitiveness and attentiveness is pretty pessimistic.Regular humans who are not in-the-know are conditioned from birth to ignore anything that doesn't sit well with their version of reality.So the masses have an easy time ignoring small slips.>Wait, was that..? nah, I must be imagining things>My brother's friend's uncle said he once saw a dude bite another dude's neck so hard he died, wild shit.>I saw something really incredible that goes against everything I knew once, but no one would believe me if I told them, I've never seen it again and I really have no explanation for it, as time goes on I find it easier to accept things might not have been exactly as I remember them.But much more importantly what >>87976394 said, media burnout and oversaturation are paradoxically the modern day's masquerade's best friend.Bombardment of information, news and happenings means any masquerade violation that isn't repeated too soon afterwards gets buried under everything else.More people believing in retarded conspiracy theories (or at least, that being more well known) means masquerade violations are just another retarded, schizo tangent.Good image, video and audio manipulations being made more and more accessible to the public make it easier to disregard incredible evidence.Hell, in V;tM the Camarilla has their fingers deep in all sorts of pies, so they have a lot of influence on the news cycle and what people are talking about.If threatened with a particularly bad masquerade violation the Camarilla could probably organize a lot of things to distract the public, like airing some particularly dirty laundry involving a lot of famous people a la lolita express.WoD describes itself as "gothic punk", the gothic part is vampires and shit, but the "punk" part manifests itself by going>The world is divided into 3, the proverbial man, the clueless sheeple, and US.
>>87976335Not to mention there is enough eco minded people and politicians that the Garou would readily go public often and loudly about everything.>Listen, that Jesus thing? That's just some trendy pop culture thing. Let me tell you about the "three Ws.">So there are some really important spots in nature. Like literally power plants of all life, including you! There are corporations that want to bulldoze these places basically to kill them. These corporations are mostly run by vampires. Vampires and other undead. Please like and subscribe!
>>87976394>absolutely nobody gave a shit whatsoeverIt's made national news several times and lots of people talk about sightings new and disclosed. The issue is that, apparently, the military never gets a good look just like civvies.Allegedly, these UAVs are buzzing all around making runs and maneuvers way beyond what we can do but they never get close or stick out and wave or probe my butt or anything! Turns out the biggest conspiracy theory is that the government is competent and knows more than we do.
>>88015798Well, now the corpses are under piles of trash or hobo tents.
>>88078587it was because it was a scam to lie about domestic spying just like the weather balloons
which clan is the weirdest besides the fleshshapers?
>>87976369>New vampire fucks up, gets caught on video using Potence to implode some soundcloud rapper when the fentanyl in his blood hits>Lady uploads it to Facebook, YouTube and TikTok before panicky neonate can kill her>YouTube account is insta-b& for violating terms of service>Technocracy already has some old James Randi clip ready to remix with the video on TikTok, kids clamor to dance next to it>A wine aunt sees it on Facebook and reports it >the only people to give a shit are all schitzos on /x/>The real fun starts when a pack of Get step sideways into the neonate's apartment right after the pair of NWO agents that kicked in the door and the Alastor that came in through the window have already turned the Neonate into a fine red mist
>>88082890Just clan or including bloodlines?
>>87977266They also made cosplay popular for the same reason.>>87977319That sounds like a pretty fun game, is there an official write-up?
>>88085923I kicked around an idea for a mage game with an Epstein expy as the main villain but it degenerated into a bunch of "egg shaped penis" gags
>>88013286>Weird name for a movieBecause it's based on a book by that name, which mentioned men attempting to harness supposed psychic powers by trying to will goats to die.
>>88013286This might help clear things uphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2TzspJn5AIt doesn't take itself or its "true story" seriously.
>>87986144>Men Who Stare at GoatsGod-Tier Movieone of my personal favs
>>87996016The Sabbat still practised clean-up alongside the Camarilla already doing the work for them. Hypocrisy is a hallmark of the Sabbat, and the more egregious chestpounders for Cainite freedom of consequence get quietly taken out by the middle management at the behest of their elders who are aware for all their bluster that they can't take on the mortal world.
>>87991381>Jews don't, and they committed, commit and are working to commit much more vile shit than most of what even the edgiest faction of WoD commit.Are these Jews in the room right now?7
>>87990658Heck even a president verified this (Nixon), he called the Grove a bunch of fags.
>>87996853Negative. As a Canadian his blood would be 53% maple syrup at least, which is what powers their abilities, eh. Any other Canadian within a 20 mile radius would sense the spillage of precious maple syrup and converge on the scene, vengeance in their arctic cold hearts.Fortunately the bulk of their population is amassed within 200 miles of the US border as prelude to invasion, so it's possible to take your victim up to the territories before you gut them. This significantly lessens the chance of triggering super soldier Canadiacs.
>>87976335Always play the '90s with this kind of scenario.
>>88078587>apparently, the military never gets a good look just like civvies.The recording equipment continuously gets better, the evidence never does. It's almost like there's no *there* there.
>>88104871Why specifically the nineties? Why not the eighties, seventies, etc.?
>>87981400Subterranean realms have always had a strong mythological presence as places where magic and strange beings show up. This is proven true by the weirdos on the subway and the tube.
>>87976335In the age of ChatAI, StableDiffusion, and AfterEffects, what's to stop the Camarilla from DEBOONKing whatever 'surveillance' you might try to release against Kindred?If you can't make the signal go away, bury it in noise.
>>88112932Would that work for other factions, like magic users or werewolves, though? They might be a bit more obvious.
>>88108018It's the tipping point technologically.After that, nearly everyone will have a smartphone with camera, nearly every building will have some CCTV system, and internet use is widespread enough that just bribing the local journalists&cops won't stop video and testimony from leaking publicly.It's also the tipping point socially.After that, the vampire kidnapping poor people to torture and bleed them dry isn't a mythological monster made flesh and preying on mankind, it's "a straight white male oppressing minorities".Society going full retard on social justice mean even supernatural popping out will be ignored for other considerations, which make the Masquerade a retarded mess of both infinitely easier and infinitely harder.So yeah, 90's. World's is still sane-ish enough for Masquerade to be sensical, and technology is at the right spot in term of difficulty.
>>88117676What about before it though? Aren't the eighties just as good?
>>88118896>Aren't the eighties just as good?No computers, no mobile phone, no internet. At least not casually.Also the USSR is still (sorta) around, which wrap *a lot* of how human society would react to anything & operate.
>>88116159Werewolves have the Delirium.The Technocracy has basically had our level of AI and better working since at least the 90s. Fuck, they're colonising star systems.. I figure media burnout as >>87976394 mentions could easily have been working from our modern perspective in WoD since the 00s. If it keeps reality deviancy in check, it's good.
>>88117676>After that, the vampire kidnapping poor people to torture and bleed them dry isn't a mythological monster made flesh and preying on mankind, it's "a straight white male oppressing minorities".1.The average disposable homeless victim IS a straight white male2.which means that, for all their posturing, SJW give less than zero fucks about what happens to them
>>87976394The ayys are gonna reveal themselves in the next decade, mark my words.
>>88117676Did you read the thread you retard?
>>88112932Even in the existing white wolf fiction: vampires already DEBOONKing "problematic" content about Kindred on the uppercase internet.
>>88075467https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/08/20/police-solve-just-2-of-all-major-crimes/>inb4 snopesYeah. Most crimes go unsolved. And you really think anybody is going to give a shit if the urban poor are exhibiting a statistically insignificant amount of anemia or even death? Especially considering Vampires often set things up to look like an accident? "Oh, this dude died of a heroin overdose because he was shooting up into his neck. Case fucking closed." But again, it's not just that. It's the fact that Epstein totally killed himself. The USA went into Afghanistan and Iraq because of WMDs. The situation in Ukraine is fine. Sherelle Smith totally said that she grieves for her brother and not calling for people to burn down the suburbs. The Jan 6th protests are a threat to the nation, while the BLM protests were "mostly peaceful." Etcetera, etcetera. You do know we're reaching a point where we literally cannot trust ANYTHING the media says. Mainstream or otherwise. Like I'm not even exaggerating whatsoever. The only time I would believe something is if the NYTimes, Fox News, CNN, Times of Israel, the Pravda, and Reuters agreed on something and even then, I would be skeptical.
>>88119984Of course he didn't. This entire thread is based on a very silly idea that's been debunked dozens of times in other WoD related threads.
>>88117676That's why i said it was a good thing they got rid of the Sabbat in the V5>The highest-ranking Sabbat in the city preside over the affair, and the city's most renowned priest opens the celebration. It is held in a public place such as a civic auditorium or a public park, as long as most of the revels take place in full view of as many humans as possible>as long as most of the revels take place in full view of as many humans as possible>Hidden away from the public debauchery, the Sabbat also consecrates a Blood Feast at the Palla Grande. The "kine-kegger," as the younger Sabbat call it, capitalizes on the public location of the masquerade ball. Victims for the feast are often vampire wannabes, drunken revelers and "witches" out for a good time on Halloween nighThere is no "hidden away" in an age of smartphones with cameras and wifi. Someone took a picture, records a video and there goes the "hidden away">oh but they do clean up, ghouls, etc, etcAnd the images/videos would be already on the internet where they would fall into vampire hunter hands or whatever foe the sabbat vampires wouldIf anything they should had used the Sabbat as the first target of the SI, not the Tremere>retarded vampires that make a point of being unrepentant monsters and every year push the Masquerade to it's limits>no, they eliminate first the paranoid vampire clan that was one of most disciplined factions and goes out of their way if they find a non-Tremere doing their brand of blood magic
>>88117676>>88121619You literally can't convince anyone of anything and you have no power to change policy even if you could. Evidence only causes people to double down, it doesn't change minds.This isn't any different now than it was in the 90s.Why do people insist on misportraying the security and surveillance state?If hidden away wasn't a thing then tax fraud and money laundering and crime wouldn't't be a thing either lolA single layer of obfuscation prevents all of humanity from seeing the truth that's all you need to completely cover up anything from meaningfully changing things.They don't even talk about gang violence on the news ffs, in fact most Nations given a new population decided to cover up any crime statistics.what world do you live in where you think any of this could prove the existence of vampires?The second Inquisition is nonsensical and written by a luddite idiot who thought that every game session should end with the feds busting down your door and had no real familiarity with vampire.
>>88121619Except okay, let's say the Hunters and Inquisition find out that yes, the Sabbat really are there doing their blood orgies in broad daylight (figuratively speaking). Great. They come in and then they get wiped out by the Sabbat, because the Sabbat doesn't have to play by the rules of the Cammarilla and Anarchs. They can just get a goon squad and murder your dumb ass. And then there's no consequences because they operate out in the open-ish. And how many Inquisitors or Hunters are you willing to lose before it becomes untenable?
>>87976335>>87976394Camerilla would set the Nosferatu to create deepfake vampire fakes and make them go viral on tiktok so everyone would think the real stuff is just another fake. Thats what I would do.