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>List of Historical Tactical, Strategic, and Military Drill treatises:
http://pastebin.com/BfMeGd6R (embed)
>ZunTsu Gameboxes:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/yaokao3h1o4og/ZunTsu_GameBoxes
>/hwg/ Steam Group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tghwg/
>Naval wargaming stuff:
https://pastebin.com/LcD16k7s (embed)
>Games, Ospreys & References folders:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lu95l5mgg06d5/Ancient
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/81ck8x600cas4/Medieval
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/w6m41ma3co51e/Horse_and_Musket
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/vh1uqv8gipzo1/Napoleonic
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bbpscr0dam7iy/ACW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bvdtt01gh105d/Victorian
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/b35x147vmc6sg/World_War_One
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8a13ampzzs88/World_War_Two
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8i8t83bysdwz/Vietnam_War
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7n3mcn9hlgl1t/Modern
https://mega.nz/#F!ZAoVjbQB!iGfDqfBDpgr0GC-NHg7KFQ
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/gdvadj7t6l5w6/Aero_Wargaming
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/6jrcg496e7vnb/Avalon%20Hill
https://www.mega.nz/#F!SyREURzI!lI3Rychibpx17XW4OEhCIg
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pq6ckzqo3g6e6/Field_Of_Glory
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/r2mff8tnl8bjy/GDW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/whmbo8ii2evqh//SPI
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ws6yi58d2oacc/Strategy_%26_Tactics_Magazine
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/s1am77aldi1as/Wargames
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/j962ws6h50bqj/Victory_Games
>H&C Megatrove
rebrandly /HexChit
>New Trove Link
https://mega.nz/folder/19kUXC6T#U31scUNwyuVI8cHvX6GIgQ
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Reposting from previous thread due to no response:

Did mounted crossbowmen fire and reload their crossbows from horseback, or were they more like dragoons, riding to battle and dismounting to fire? I have also read that some mounted crossbowmen would just fire a single volley before charging into melee.
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>>87486124
>I have also read that some mounted crossbowmen would just fire a single volley before charging into melee.
I'm by no means an expert, but this is the version I've heard. I don't think they were used very often in general though
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>>87486124
there are a whole slew of different crossbow designs, but most of them you cannot reload without using both hands and a foot or a specific winder tool of some sort.
Where have you heard of mounted crossbowmen anyway? Never heard of that before. Would help to know the period and crossbows they used.
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i wish g(oy)ermany wasnt so autistic with laws regarding swastikas on ww2 minis. apparently it doesnt fall under the category of art when you do historic miniature painting/building
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>>87487073
what exactly is the complaint? most companies get around the laws by doing transfer so that you can put the iconography together yourself. Not to mention...nobody has a say on what you do in your home. It's only an problem for commercial uses.
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Any ideas where I can find some miniatures with this sort of armour? Pic related is Mycenaean panoply, but something else that looks similar will also work

The only one I've managed to find is Mycenaean Chariot by Caesar Miniatures, but this one has only one guy in this armour in the entire box and I would like a whole squad of them at the least.There is also one 3D printer file with them for sale I've found and this is probably what I'll stick with if I don't find anything else, but I would prefer to just buy some ready minis. Any ideas where to look?
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>>87487133
Warlord has a fucking vile bronze age range which includes like a single achaean in dendra-like panoply, if you're really desperate.
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>>87486124
There's depictions of them firing from horseback. They seemed to be interspersed within a formation of men at arms.
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>>87487133
>>87487257
>a fucking vile bronze age range
why the hate?

Anyway there are more in their biblical section. Kind of dumb to split them like that but there you go
https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/myceneans-minoans-and-the-trojan-war-1600-800bc
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>>87487257
>>87487324
oh, I read that as Wargames Foundry, having a vile range, not Warlord.
Anyway, the Foundry ones are a little older, but pretty nice for the most part. At least imo.
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>>87487324
>why the hate?
Because I want a Summerian or Eblalite army army but they look like this :(
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>>87487397
I'd be lying if I said I had any knowledge about the period or what these guys should look like, but I was just poking around in the Foundry website...are these any better?
https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/sumerians-akkadians-3000bc-1793bc
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>>87487095
unfortunatly the aquiring of said symbols is also prohibited as stated in §86a. besides the halved ones are a chore to get right and in propper angle.
there is so much cool shit out there like special dice for bolt action like SS division dice or dice trays etc etc but getting this overseas here into germany will guarantee a police visit and a hefty fine (jailtime for 3 years)
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Does anyone have Lasalle SECOND EDITION as a PDF? I want to pay my money to Sam Mustafa but want to play test it first
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>>87486092
Hey so heads up, this isn’t /pol/ and we don’t need edgy humor to make generals. Not even trying to start shit with you but avoid using swastikas and Nazi/racist shit for the OP like you just did. Nobody wants to see that shit unless they’re a low IQ /pol/ tourist.
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>>87487764
>using swastikas and Nazi/racist shit for the OP
Err...a souther flag is not even close "Nazi shit".

People call everyone a Nazi they don't like these days, it doesn't even mean anything anymore.
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>>87487443
No, it's honestly more of a matter of looks than not being historically accuracy for me.
And the foundry summerians/akkadians along with their bronze age europeans look fucking tempting.
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>>87487794
You sent me down a bit of a rabbit hole myself, cause I was curious what they look like. Found two other ranges as well.

https://cpmodels.co.uk/product-category/28mm-ranges/28mm-ancients/sumerians/
https://www.eurekaminuk.com/collections/sumerians
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>>87487068

as shameful as it is, they appear on the rosters of many factions in medieval 2 Total War and I think that was the first time I saw them.

fireforge games and Perry miniatures also have cavalry kits that are armed with crossbows.
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>>87487790
isnt that a white supremacist flag? I never seen someone use that flag and is tolerelant of minorities at the same time
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>>87488020
this is the HISTORICAL wargames thread. American civil war is a pretty popular setting. Go clutch your pearls somewhere else.
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>>87488020
>>87487790
>>87487764
>>87486092
>>87488103
I think it's fair so say I don't care for the OP image (usually better to post actual miniatures or at least something from history rather than a meme).
But the whole point of not doing that is to avoid this kind of discussion and the kind of brain worms that have infested the rest of the internet.
We're here to talk about men doing fights and the toy soldiers that we use to represent them, not another front for the retarded culture war.
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>>87486092
Hey guys, been out for a weeks.
What happened to the battlefront mega? Wanted to send my mate a pdf of Red Dawn.
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>>87488139
Cool but being a fence sitter does not in fact make you superior to anyone despite what you think. The board rules clearly state that racism is confined to /b/ and /pol/. Anyway, I’m out. I don’t want to argue with you lot about it, especially not in bad faith
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>>87488196
I'm not a fence sitter, I'm very for one side, but I recognise that the people who can't keep this thing "on the battlefield" are the worst people, regardless of their "side" and the world would be better if they were all thrown from the Tarpeian Rock.
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>>87488188
All the rule book links are gone for some reason since a few threads ago.

There is no red dawn pdf anyways.
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>>87488196
Fuck off with your racism bullshit.
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So, what are you working on now /hwg/? I hope to have these guys painted by the end of the week, then I'll finish the rest of the pikemen.
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>>87488103
The racist op pic is offtopic
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>>87488350
the flag merely being there is not racist. It's not a statement either way. At most you could say it's a joke cause they is asian, but even then you're offended by a silly joke. Just grow up.
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>>87488375
I'm talking about the picture of a known racist, anon. He made his racist ideals known
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>>87487764
Fuck off. You're the one starting shit over a goofy looking Asian dude with a flag. Perhaps you'd prefer Reddit?
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>>87488674
Specifically an actual racist
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>>87487068
They were a feature of many armies in the late middle ages and early rennaisance, but not all and not all at the same time. Theyre never used by England. They fired and reloaded their crossbows on horseback. It is possible to reload several styles of crossbow with just your hands, from a horse, heavier crossbows required you to be on foot. Many men were trained to ride, or at least trot or canter in one direction, with just their spurs and thighs so as to allow them the use of both hands, medieval saddles were also much more supportive than modern saddles.
As for numbers, not sure. French, Swiss, HRE, hungarians, poles, portugese and venetians all used them to some extent. Not sure what that extent is exactly though. They feature in the Italian wars but fall out of fashion in favour of gunpowder weapons, i dont think theres much serious use of crossbows after 1515.
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>>87488674
I'm not the one posting a racist in the first place
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>>87488848
you seem to be the only one to even know who this guy is.
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>>87488312
Ah ok, guess I'll have to scan mine when I get home
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>>87488692
>>87488848
Learn to laugh ya dummy.
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>>87488966
Or just post the games instead of breaking the rules
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>>87488341
Waiting for my Koreans and Japs to show up. Royal Mail is the absolute worst.
In the meantime I ought to go about basing my other projects. Or maybe god forbid play a game.
I do have plastic Napoleonic kits waiting but I just have zero enthusiasm for supergluing fiddly bits right now.
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>>87487764
Faggot
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>>87488020
Anon I literally know an Asian guy who re-enacts SS officers and a Confederacy re-enactor who's married to a black woman
Not everything has to be political. Sometimes people just like certain historical factions for whatever random reasons, even just the aesthetics
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>>87489034
So use that instead of a guy who has racist beliefs. This guy is infamous and already has negative connotations attached right out of the box
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>>87487073
Then you grandad should’ve fought harder.
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Is there any good rules for the italian wars at 28mm that has multibasing
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>>87486092
>The real General Lee.
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>>87487764
This kind of shit makes me want to get Dixie tattooed on my neck.
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Anyone know how to scratch build turrets? I feel a full armored train build in my future to add on to what I've got, and I have no idea how to make rotating turrets.
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>>87487764
can you rec me some IDF camo for 15mm moderns?
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15/18mm napoleonics is the main historical wargaming I want to do but I can't afford it
I don't want to do 28mm but I know that's the most popular scale these days
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>>87487764
>>87488020
>>87488139
>>87488287
>>87488350
>>87488546
>>87488692
>>87488848
>>87489004
>>87489398
Thanks for your input guys, gals and non-binaries, I hope I didn't misgender anyone? I'd hate to cause any long-lasting PTSD.

Oh wait, no, I don't give a shit, I just wanted to say I'll paint some tiny Nazis specifically in your name.
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>>87491493
>Seething
Lol
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>>87491493
take your pathetic impotent rage somewhere else you manchild
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>spending half the thread seething about a mysterious chinese racist who's existence nobody but you are aware of
The question that spring to mind is:
Why?
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Any Australians here?
Are we allowed swastikas on our models?
I'm a bit confused
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>>87491526
>>87491556
no u
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>>87491579
It's a swatzika thread
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>>87491493
It's one seething troon
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>history is now racist

Seethe bitch seethe.

Wtf is it with you people thinking this is some alternative too reddit or twitter gtfo if you sincerely do. if shit like a Confederate battle flag triggers you your genuinely on the wrong platform to be bitching and moaning about this shit
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>>87491829
I'm still painting the tiny Nazis.
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>>87491859
>Being a disingenuous faggot
Nice strawman
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Are there any wargames that require neither miniatures or a boardgame package?
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>>87492960
Blucher
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>>87490576
Well if you concede to their bullshit it will forever be the most popular scale. Be the change you want to see in your area.
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>>87487764
This is pasta, right? This has to be bait carefully manufactured to look like a leftoid election tourist having a melty.
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>>87488692
Idk what your problem is, everyone here is racist.
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>>87493242
You can't be racist against Americans since they're not people.
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>>87493242
Because this is 4channel. Gotta follow 4channel rules
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>>87493593
That's true but I still hate the english, swedes and indians.
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>>87488692
>>87488350
>>87488020
>>87487764
Is it always this nosy in here?
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>>87487764
>>87488020
>>87488139
You know that hundreds of Asians, mostly ethnic Chinese, were part of the Confederate military, right? It was a point of confusion for the Confederates because they weren't black, native, white, or mixed race, so no one really knew what they were allowed to do, if anything. A fair few ended up fighting in combat units, the Avegno Zouaves in specific had a number of "manilamen" fighting in their ranks, either Filipinos or Chinese or more likely a mix of the two. Some even fought for the Union.
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>>87490576
Warlord Epic is pretty easy on the wallet for what you're getting. The litle fuckers are a bitch to paint, and they're nowhere near as aesthetically pleasing as beautiful ABs. The line is pretty complete for Waterloo, but you're out of luck for much else. Old Glory 10mm is about the cheapest route. If you have a 3d printer though, the world is your oyster. Lots of free (and decent) Naps on Thingiverse, and some good and reasonably-priced pay options elsewhere.
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>>87493996
No this is just some reddit fag shitting up the thread.
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>>87494469
4chan in a nutshell.
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>>87489803
I wish we won my fren....i really fucking wish we did
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What are the pros and cons between barons war and lion rampant?
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>>87493871
faggot
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>>87495570
Barons war is very specifically about the English civil wars of the 13th century.
Lion Rampant is a generic medieval period set of rules not particularly caring about early, high, nor late partitions nor any specific conflict.
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>>87491493
Cool, name one Wolfgang for me
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>>87495992
k, you're an mg42 ammo bitch
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>>87492960
You realise you don't actually need to put the figures on the stands, and can play just with cardboard rectangles marked in some way to differentiate between units? You can play ALL the miniature rulesets that way. Blue and red wooden blocks with the good old infantry/cavalry symbols are an attractive option.
Some physical representation of the units will make your life easier, but often you could get by with just drawing on a map, a roster sheet at the side.
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>>87494117
Just because kkk exists doesn't mean it isn't racism
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>>87488780
What's relevant for gaming - as depicted in your image - they probably weren't fielded on their own, but rather mixed in with other mounted troops.
The frustrating thing when trying to game the period: most of it is a big mish-mash, when our games want distinct units sourced from one troop type only.
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Now that western MBTs will see action in ucraine. Team yankee starter sets have become historocal ukraine 2023 sets.
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>>87496453
Kind of crazy if you think about it. Who could imagine that 5 years ago.
How many ukraine wargames are we going to get.
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>>87496468
>How many Ukraine wargames are we going to get
Eh, shit was brewing up there for at least a decade. Eastern fringes of country were more or less in constant guerilla warfare since Euromaidan.
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>>87496570
True but there isa huge leap from euromaidan to full scale invasion and nato heavy gear
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>>87496453
>>87496468
Ultramodern stuff is not popular.
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Anyone reading any interesting /hwg/ literature at the moment? Working my way through An Englishman at War as a slow introduction to WW2. It's a period of military history I've mostly avoided due to a general sense within my broader peer group of it being a bit overdone and 'babies first historical interest', but it's a great read. Definately recommend.

>>87496453
>>87496468
It's a bit mental. I was working on some 6mm T72s when the invasion first kicked off, and it basically shelved the project for 6 months as it felt weirdly disrespectful to be working on them somehow. Stuff like pic related shows that there's already interest in it from a wargaming point of view.

>>87496720
There's plenty of systems and minis out there if you search for them. Peer vs peer stuff always gets more interest (both IRL and on the table), so it woudn't surprise me if we see this conflict wargamed far more than "Americans and NATO friends blow up sand people: the return of the Taliban 2". Wargamers generally like shiny toys, and NATO vs Soviet hardware with modern assets like drones is a lot shinier than "Humvee with 50cal and squaddies vs achmed and his father with AKs and an RPG".

>>87491493
Name one of them Klaus for me anon, there's a top chap.
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>>87497165
Regarding the feeling of being weirdly disrespectful, it also happened on our group with our battlegroup barbarossa campaign, since one of our players has an ukranian GF and her grandma lives in the same region the campaign took place.
We had a 6 to 8 month brake with infinity, nostalgia 4th edition 40k and current kill team. A shame because battlegroup was quite enjoyable until that point.
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>>87496720
Call this a hot take but asymmetric stuff is boring, and obviously the playerbase is heavily tilted toward the advanced side with only a scant few masochists playing the insurgents. Everyone wants a Rhodie/American/etc army but no one's going to do the Africans/VC/Taliban.
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>>87497165
>There's plenty of systems and minis out there if you search for them
Never said there wasn't, I said it was not popular.
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>>87497696
Asymmetrical stuff can be cool but it needs tight hidden deployment rules.
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>>87497696
I love insurgent forces.
Give me irregular ghetto shit any day.
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>>87487764
nice bait nigger
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>>87486092
>That picture
Are historical games hate speech then?
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>>87494469
Then don't use a pic from reddit/twitter
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Does anyone have tips for a SS-Einsatzgruppe paint scheme?
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>>87498371
Just field grey my nigga and some decals unless you want to go with a camo pattern
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>>87498371
Just watch Come And See if you need any references. They didn't have any kind of special uniforms.
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>>87492960
There are a bunch of print and play games, you could check out:

https://ostfrontgame.freeforums.net/thread/63/ukraine-2022-wargame

Has printable chits, and you could use colored paper or card for forests / roads
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>>87498371
>>87498660 this plus uniforms more dirty/worn
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>>87498371
Id also like to know how to paint an SS paint scheme
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>>87499996
>>87498371
Go look in the WWII ospreys listed in the OP.
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>>87498371
Depends what branch they came from. Most would wear field grey, but some might be Allgemeine SS in black. Insignia would vary depending on branch.
On the plus side, you get highly motorised troops with a good proportion of machine guns. On the minus, they'd shit themselves if anyone started shooting back at them.
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Is the Royal Mail over their issue yet?
I just want my damn minis.
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>>87499777
this looks cool. I especially like the idea of playing on a real map/satellite image.
are there any regular miniature games played on a flat map like this?
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What are some ways that fog of war is simulated?
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DBA 3 or Triumph?
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>>87487764
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>>87502816
>double-blind
two identical boards / tables separated by a screen, with referee

>blind markers
units are represented by generic markers until detected, there may or may not be dummy markers

>hidden deployment with upturned cups a la Boocoo Fire Mission
Small upturned cups / boxes are placed at regular intervals around the table. Units can be hidden under the cups. Successful detection attempts allow you to look under a cup. Units can "reveal" from the cup they're at. or move between adjacent cups, or attack from them, suppress them etc.

>the matchbox grid thing
build a tower of 10 x 10 empty matchboxes, players place chits in the matchbox they want (likely the matchboxes correspond to some grid sector of a map). They won't know if there's an enemy in the grid until they open the matchbox.

>featherstone style
players sit at opposite ends of the table and aren't allowed to get up. They give orders to people who move their units for them, and the units are ideally tiny (featherstone suggests tanks the size of a thumbnail iirc, which would be ~3mm) The people moving the miniatures could potentially report on what the units see.

>Appear out of nowhere method
Players have the ability to make units appear out of nowhere, as if they were there the entire time. This could be anchored to points on the map like "only within 12" of a forest" or suchlike.

>Shako written deployment and pre-orders, messengers
Both players must sketch the battlefield and draw where their forces are deployed, and what orders they will have (advance to x, then stop). Then both players deploy based on their sketch (so simultaneous hidden deployment). Units then must follow the rough orders, and cannot deviate beyond a certain amount from the current orders.
New orders can be sent by horse messenger, but will take time to arrive.

>Block Games
players have standing-up wooden blocks which only show the unit on one side, and that side is facing the player who owns the unit.
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>large scale napoleonic battles
>28 mm
what were they thinking
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>>87503130
What do you mean?
28 mm has been the norm for a long time so they were just adapting to what people were playing
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>>87503130
What do you mean? Warlord are well known for using retarded scales that seem to pander to painters, while ignoring distance scales on the tabletop.
Using 28mm for pretty much everything is like their MO, regardless of period.
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>>87497165
The Iran Iraq War by Pierre Razoux. It's a pretty top tier retelling of the battle so far. I'd recommend it highly.
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is bolt action good? its the only historical game my flgs plays. do you need a lot of space for it?
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>>87504115
It depends on what you want out of a game? Internal balance and historical accuracy? Fuck no. Not even close. Interesting turn order and a rulesset that can foster a level of casual engagement that you can get drunk and throw dice with? Honestly not too bad.
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>>87504143
>Internal balance and historical accuracy? Fuck no
is it that bad?
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>>87504222
NTA, but there's really no difference between armies basic units, and their specialty units and armor are functionally identical. The "national flavor" is neat, but needs some spices. It's a fine, playable game, not to heady, not too complicated, generic enough for anyone to pick it up, familiar enough to coax 40kids players out of 40kids, but it does have it's downsides, cheese, and meta. It's not a very deep meta, but there definitely are dos and don'ts that are entirely caused by how rules and units work, and have nothing to do with history. The most historical you can get out of it is list building using the "historical selectors" and not the generic, but the generic is typically the most common, and the basis for actin a fool.
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>>87488188
Someone snitched. It got nuked.
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>>87504222
An opel blitz covered in MG's is all you need.
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>>87488188
It got tied to racism somehow
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>>87504222
One of the great thing about historics, you can build an army for whatever era you like, and you can try out a whole bunch of different rulesets. WW2 has a whole bunch of different rulesets for all different organizational levels (platoon/company/battalion), Bolt action being one of them. Crossfire, Chain of Command and Blitzkrieg be some others. If guys at your LGS already have WW2 models, it shouldn't be hard to get them to try out something different.
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>>87490340
It was in front of us the whole time and we didnt see it.
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>>87496425
Truthfully most units are just a mish-mash of dudes. We don't get real standardization in armies until the 17th century. Ultimately the distinct units are just for gameplay's sake. You could probably design a ruleset where instead of distinct units you can blob them together with a mish-mash of equipment, but you'd quickly run into an issue with break-points. How many guys with sword is needed to get x stat vs guys with pointy sticks? etc
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Finishing some nearly dones in my backlog, taking a break from infantry.

My Japanese heavy armor. I need to wash the MGs, and tone down the exhausts. Flag pole needs another layer and maybe a dry brush too.
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>>87505835
Anon, your discipline and output is impressive. Do you have a painting schedule?
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>>87505835
What are you using these for
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>>87505923
Probably a historical wargame.
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>>87505857
Thanks Anon, I appreciate it. I don't have a dedicated painting schedule, but I do have a lot of stress and this is how I unwind at night. I probably paint for at least an hour most nights of the week.

>>87505923
I have a big ole 20s/30s china project for a few different games.

>>87505942
Someone get this anon a cigar.
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>>87506007
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>>87495912
Dunno for Baron's War but fair warning on Lion Rampant: despite what one might assume, it's not a rank & flank game. Rules as written, there's no facing and everybody goes 360° no scope.
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>>87504143
>>87504305
>>87505317
Me and my friend are building a bolt action box with americans and germans. What games do you recommend? I know Bolt action and crossfire, what else may be better? I haven't played any of them yet but I'd like to know the differences and your suggestions.
We're gigaspergs and we'll try to keep it to platoon vs platoon or so and as accurate as possible with the lists.
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I've already painted 10 grenadiers in winter gear and primed a panzer, but have no idea about how to paint a decent winter camo on it. Just realized in all my years playing 40k, I've never painted a tank.
All online tutorials require you to have enamel or some exotic materials (enamel is pretty exotic in my town). Any tutorials using only vallejo?
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>>87507005
If you want decent results then study the videos of uncle nightshift and order some exotic materials.
https://www.youtube.com/@NightShiftScaleModels
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>>87499777
I know this map. How's the 6mm vietnam wargame going?
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>>87507005
>Any tutorials using only vallejo?
this guy is using only acrylics and wet blending for the most part.
https://www.youtube.com/@lasercreation-world1981

Nightshift is an awesome channel, but maybe a bit overkill for the average wargamer
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>>87507401
Wet blending acrylics is harder than using enamels.
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>>87507411
watch what he does
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>>87507447
>watching Lasercreation

Thanks no.
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>>87507681
>say dumb stuff about sth you know nothing about
>just look at it
>no
Okay.
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/hwg/ is so expensive as an australian
The only affordable thing seems to flames of war because the kits are available here and they're pretty cheap
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>>87507766
All wargames are expensive here, not just historical ones. Never order from warandpeacegames especially, they're outrageous with their prices.
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>>87507766
https://www.eurekamin.com.au/

I'm from NZ so you guys have no right to complain about pricing or buying power.
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>>87507797
>WAPG shop
>60 dollaridoos for Lipn Rampant 2nd Edition.

Lawl. What's this fucking poofta shop mate? The guy even have a scalping section on his website where he tries to sell his former WFB army. Unbelievable.
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>>87507864
>Victrix Dacians
>$63.00 AUD from Victrix
>+$10-$20 for shipping
>$75-$85 dollars to order to Aus

>WAPG's price:
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>>87507797
It's just that shipping is a ton
I've looked into old glory 15s, baccus, perry and pendraken but you pay so much for shipping that it makes me cringe
Also yeah I noticed the prices of that guy's website were insane pretty early on
I just figured boomers were paying him for the 'service'
>>87507844
Eureka miniatures is expensive but yeah obviously it's worse for you
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>>87507914
Btw anyone use the 20% discount for $400 spent?
Does that include AB miniatures?
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>>87507766
caliver books

>>87507797
war and peace somehow still have apologists and simps just because they have a stall and throw in some prize support at the odd big city convention a couple of times a year
probably all bolt action playing gw refugees though
gwniggers should be beaten to death in the street like cane toads, absolutely degenerate subhumans
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>>87507884
>114$
lol, lmao even
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>>87506845
Chain of command, battlegeoup
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>>87502793
Pretty much any games desu. Company and larger sizes would make the most sense for using satellite imagery, anything smaller than that and its hard to pick out distinct details like walls etc. As long as you can clearly mark out the boundaries of certain features, as well as topographical height if that's an issue, it's a cheap way of doing terrain variety. An anon on here used similar for a modern aircombat game that I can't remember the name of.

>>87500977
Nope, shits still backlogged from the last set of strikes, and more are coming.

>>87506845
Seconding this anon >>87508415 , Chain of Command is excellent.

>>87507844
I honestly wonder whether for places like NZ and Oz whether it makes economic sense to just bulk buy common stuff in the UK, shove it on a slow boat and sell it at a reasonable price plus shipping markup. There's no way, even with the faff of currency conversions and shipping, that the prices most companies put out are reasonable.

>>87505835
Looking great as always anon. Do you have any advice for painting tanks? I've always found them more difficult to do than infantry, just the large spaces of fairly flat armour puts me off.
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>>87508856
>Looking great as always anon. Do you have any advice for painting tanks?

Sure thing anon, I've been painting tanks for a long time now and I'll give you my process.

I start by airbrushing the base coat, if you can do the tracks separate - I'll come back to that. I preshaded with thinner black where armor plates meet, under overhangs, in crooks and corners, along rows of rivets, and around greebled parts. I apply the first highlights with a lightened base coat. Then I gloss varnish everything. If painting camo and you want a hard edge I mask with bluetack poster putty or low adhesive painters tape, if painting soft edge camo I don't mask. Always work from light color to dark color, to give better coverage. It's so much easier to spray tracks if their not attached, as painting tracks by hand is my bane. So if you can do the tank in a small sub assembly. Once everything has its first gloss coat, apply decals. Seal them in another gloss coat. You want to apply them before you weather, so you can weather over them. Then I chip with a tattered spong, it's easier to chip of the base color scheme is lighter than if it's darker, I chip with blacks or red browns. I apply washes in all the necessary areas next. a quick dry brush of the highlights over rivets and edges finishes that off. Another gloss coat to seal it all in. Any rusting is next, I use various rust washes, enamels and streaking paints, you can flick and splatter streaking rust paints to give them a nice random appearance and then streak them with well, downward strokes of thinner. Once you're happy with your aging, seal it again with another layer of gloss coat. Then pick out all the remaining details. Tools, exaust, lamps, etc. Once that's done seal it all with a matt coat, and call it done.
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>>87507005
Here's a nice 6-minute video on painting tanks with Vallejo. He paints a Flames of War Sherman, but if you want to paint larger models the same techniques can be used for 28mm vehicles as well. Very simple, very fast, and they look great.
https://youtu.be/zwrvBplCwKY
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Would British airborne officers wear different uniforms? i want an excuse to make something with service caps and long coats. I actually prefer the British officers look over hte Germans, where they are tan and khaki instead of black and grey.
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>>87486092
Who's the guy in the pic?
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Megablitz, by Tim Gow... Anyone know anything about this rules system? Apart from a website with an outline of the rules, is there a ruleset that can be downloaded anywhere?
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>>87507914
>Eureka's pricing of AU$1 per 15mm figurine make the hobby unaffordable down under.

As much as Warlords get shitted on a ton by some spergs on /hwg/, their offer for wolrdwide free shipping makes them a viable option too.

I'm not saying "hey you too can enjoy the latest plastic kits and any period or ruleset" but playing a game of Tribal or Test of Honour is easy and cheap enough.
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For team yankee how in the fuck do you beat the most armored Abrams just artillery spam? Having a unit that cannot be penetrated by any means through the front and can also penetrate any frontal armor is just not fun.
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>>87508856
>shits still backlogged from the last set of strikes,
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Does someone know where I can get ww2 russian horse drawn limbers and german anti tank rifle teams?
3D prints prefered.
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>>87512022
Eureka sells AB for $1.21 per figure lol
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>>87512022
Being that AB is our main competitor (in an asirpring way, not in a hostile way) I feel the need to explain this a bit...

What we've learned doing this over the years is that HWG really splits amongst at least 2 types of hobbyists:

1. people who care about the gaming and quality of gameplay most of all. they used to come from the old avalon hill wargame type crowd but these days they come from paradox games etc, some of the 30-40 crowd coming from warhammer back when it was anything approaching a wargame... They usually buy stuff in large planned sets and plan with game scale/ ergonomics in mind.

2. people who value time spent modeling and putting stuff on their mantle. They are usually hard to drag to a community event but buy more stuff on impulse from stores. They come here post purchase and ask how they might game something fitting what they've already bought. They used to be the model train people but now are often new wave warhammer people.

AB is targeting most group 1 as are we because to that group, having a single clean sculpt that takes less effort to paint and no time to assemble allows them to game more. They are generally less price sensitive because they see their pieces as long term tools or perhaps artistic pieces that retain value.

Warlord etc target group 2 with multi part plastics etc that can be customized but are often foggy on accuracy/ ergnomic posing etc. They don't dwell much on sculpt quality because they figure they can just change it. The value of what they are buying is consumed in modeling stuff/assembly and drops at completion unless it's absolute pro tier stuff.

So this is why group 1 loves AB etc and group 2 says they can buy something in 28mm for a similar price per model and thus can't imagine paying for that. Their value in the hobby is set inversely.

I don't think it can ever be change or fixed. Companies just need to know their market better and ignore the other group.
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>>87512855
AB are far more expensive than their other competitors so I'm not sure if it's a good idea to centre your categorisation of historical wargamers on them?
AB is generally purchased today by people who care for the figures themselves and there is a certain elitism about the kind of detail, accuracy and realism that AB figures have, they aren't just glorified counters or misshapen blocks of metal.
Of course these kinds of characterisations are awkward because AB and metal miniatures in general have increased dramatically in prices so that for someone looking to get into the hobby back then, choosing AB was not such a huge investment for them. Yes it was more expensive than their competitors but the overall cost wasn't as high as it is today taking into account inflation.
I think with people who buy 28mm plastic kits often the modelling side is not appealing to them at all and mould lines and even sprue gates aren't cleaned up, these hobbyists buy these kits and rush them out because their primary interest is in wargaming. You could compare these people to those who like 6mm or 10mm or Old Glory at 15mm.
You've also got a huge group of 'actually wargaming' hobbyists who stick with 28mm exclusively and this is often an older crowd, whether that be exclusively metal figures for example with Front Rank or mixed plastic Perry, metal Perry and metal Front Rank.
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>>87513375
Also if we're going to discuss types of historical wargamers I'll add some of my theories.
1. Were you into scale models as a kid? If so you likely have no interest in plastic kits like Perry at all because of terrible experiences with the old plastic figures which Airfix released in the 60s/70s. These were very soft plastics which did not hold paint well at all.
2. Did you have Osprey books (the one with Uniform drawings) in your adolescent years? You're probably buying Front Rank or AB or metal Perry figures and are a notorious button counter.
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>>87513375
I wouldn't centre my categorization around AB it's just a good way of showing the point as a most extreme example where models are starting to approach low tier-plastics prices. But some people (including myself) would still rather go with the AB.

The other examples you are mentioning are all people we meet but they are fundementally not the same people as group 2.

They are people that would probably prefer a cleaner "one piece" model for practical reasons but can't afford certain options OR because of their local group (or lack thereof) they have slidden into sub-optimal collection options for them they often clear out later if they get the chance.

This even applies to cheaper 15mm. Many of us started with it but as we value our time more and more and typically have more money, will prefer a paying more for better looking models that take less time to prepare.

The last group you are mentioning are kind of a seperate or less relevent group of old 25mm grogs whose definition of "gaming" and "often" are incrediblly warped and usually unrecogniseable to a post-internet crowd.
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>>87513772
Yeah I'd rather go with AB as well.
If you had plastic which could compete with metal detail you'd need each figure to consist of way too many pieces which would be a nightmare to put together, I think Perry French 1807-1814 is probably the closest.
Also you look at the tables that boomers wargame in and even in the cases of retirees with tons of space the models are just too close together and don't look right, meanwhile AB tables can look excellent.
At least with the Australian branch of Eureka I don't think the casting quality is stunning but then my experience with other companies is quite limited (old glory 15s, pendraken and baccus). AB still requires cleaning and some of them can have prominent mould lines which bother me a lot. The detail is also finer and requires more care in painting.
One thing that really holds me back from starting a collection that I can use for wargaming is the fact that all the clubs here have guys who bought into AB back when it was far cheaper. This is primarily a problem since they could afford to have what I would consider to be ridiculous figure ratios and thus it's hard to justify a collection knowing much I'd need to spend.
Yeah I am jealous of these guys who have thousands of figures, I don't blame them for wanting visually impressive battlefields.
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Just finished assembling these lads with a friend today. Any tips or some decent resources if it's my first time painting WW2 miniatures?
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I hate metal and really want more options for 20mm in plastic or quality resin. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
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>>87514331
There's plastic soldier company but imo the models are mediocre
>>87513915
Have you painted miniatures before?
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How do I introduce myself to the local wargaming boomers in my area? I'm too autistic to just walk up to them and try to become friends, and I don't have a facebook.
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>>87514429
> no facebook

might be hard other than just showing up

but can't you do better? you're consigning yourself potentially to some pretty shitty, long, non-games if they are literally boomers
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>>87514455
Literal boomers are the only people who play historical wargames
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>>87514472
nah, I know you are autistic but if you did your research you'd know that's not true anymore.
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>>87514480
It's true for my area at least.
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>>87514383
>Have you painted miniatures before?
Just a few. I'm mostly concerned about getting the colors right etc.
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Any recommended games where two or more people can play with just a single box? Preferably counter/block based but miniature is fine as well.
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>>87514670
>Command and Colors Ancient (or medieval, napoleonics, great war, memoir 44, take your pick)
>A Bolt action starter set
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>>87514594
Colour doesn't really matter that much
Could go look at what vallejo includes in their sets
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Does anyone have any experience with Paperboy's rules? Mostly interested in Roman and Renaissance sets. I only have wargaming experience with 40k so I'm looking for a game that is quick and streamlined. Should I get Hail Caesar instead?
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>>87512855
>competitor
>we
Are you the owner of Eureka?
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>>87513879
Mate if there's anything that a grog wants more than a new shiny model, it's a new opponent to game with. Approach those guys with thousands of figures, share your concern and I'm sure one of them will offer you a fair bunch or sell you one of his side army at a friendly price.
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>>87516369
Kys. Also HC is not streamlined or fast. Check out Basic Impetus or To The Strongest.
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>>87512406
Sorry Mobnik, welcome to reality.
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Going directly from having painted nothing but 28mm straight to 6mm was probably a mistake, holy shit these are tiny
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>>87497696
That's because most wargamers come from the colonizing countries and identify more with those forces for one reason or another while people from backgrounds that more easily let them see the Taliban as waging a righteous war against foreign occupation by an evil empire tend to no be able to afford toy soldiers and rulesets.
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>>87497696
I think your problem is you're looking at asymmetrical conflicts where there wasn't even a contest.
Rhodesia isn't something you really want to wargame - Rhodesians won every battle without any issues. If I was to wargame Rhodesia, I would do a singleplayer-vs-DM RPG of a selous scout trying to survive for like a week, eating bubblegum (rotten chicken) and trying to find food and get some intel then get out without getting killed.

Vietnam is a great example of asymmetrical warfare for the tabletop, although as other anons have said, it requires specialized rules and you can't expect to have it play the same as other wargames where there is negligible fog of war or command and control friction.

Soviet Afghan war is another great asymmetrical wargame for the tabletop, and the US invasion could also be done if you chose the right area and the right match up between a canny taliban force and US force. It would likely need a campaign system to really get the gist of the kind of things that went on, like units tracking each other and getting to know each other's actions / habits / territories, then trying to use that knowledge to your advantage. There were some pretty even fights in the US Afghanistan war, even US units borderline getting wiped out, so I think it would make fine wargaming if you had the right rules.
Obviously if you have apache gunships wiping out insurgents in the open from BVR, it's not going to be a fun game for the Taliban, and no one is going to want to play them.

Asymmetrical wargames are the most interesting for me, I find even pitched battles with similar equipment ok, but after about 10 years of that I was after a change.

In the asymmetrical games I've run, people are pretty happy to play either side - Afghans, VC, Russians in the Russo-Japanese war, Maori, etc. It's all about giving them the resources they need to make interesting decisions: not just forces on the table, but things like hidden movement and local knowledge
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>>87502793
>are there any regular miniature games played on a flat map like this?
We play a bunch on this map, from Vietnam ground combat to air combat. It suits anything from WW1 air combat through WW2 to modern which is nice.

>>87507233
>How's the 6mm vietnam wargame going?
The 6mm vietnam wargame was one hell of a grind, but I got there in the end. Was released in May 2022.
I'm tempted to go back and write a simplified quick-play gamey version, that still somehow captures the spirit. Might be a project for a rainy day. That's what I did with Missile Threat - wrote an in-depth game, then went back later and wrote a 10 page family version (Air Strike)

I devblogged the entire Vietnam game process, which was a process in itself..
https://ostfrontgame.freeforums.net/thread/55/6mm-vietnam-game-devblog
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>>87516369
If those are the same that come with the WoFun sets (Paperboys armies on acrylic sheets, pre-cut) then they are by Andy Callan and well worth a try. Callan is known in boomer circles (the blogspot crowd) for simple playable rules that still try to capture some of the essentials of the period. Disclaimer: only read over some of those, never played.

Here's a link to all the WoFun rules. Hope it goes through.
https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1gqIvN7nHlhp4Asc6J0W7WV9l_DrTRX4p?fbclid=IwAR0jFNzFz55AQNMbCcVE3VwjuWEAQ5ZujTGlHdlYdYacScbdF7dP32y0PwI
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Here's some rebels I painted up a while ago, Rockbridge artillery and company A of the 17th Virginia
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I was given a mostly complete warlord games Semper-Fi USMC starter box by a friend who use to play Bolt Action.

I have no interest in playing BA, or any other platoon sized WWII Wargames. Anyone have any idea what post war conflicts these guys could be used for? Korea is the first thing that comes to mind. I just want to dabble with small scale squad sized skirmishes in the late 40s through the 50s or even early 60s post war era.
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>>87522787
The USMC deployed to the following areas:
China 1945 to 1949
Korea 1950 to 1953
Lebanon 1958
Cuba 1959 to 1960
Thailand 1962
Dominican Republic 1965

They also had roles in peacekeeping in Japan immediately following WW2, and evacuating Americans from Alexandria, Egypt during the Suez Crisis of 1956.
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>>87520568
Looking good man! But yeah 6mm takes some getting used to, once they are all on the table they really come into their own tho, just keep plugging away.x
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>>87523663
Damn this looks like a ton of effort
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>>87522787
I think the french used a lot of surplus US equipment during the Indochina war, so you might be able to kit bash them
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>>87512855
>having a single clean sculpt that takes less effort to paint and no time to assemble allows them to game more
Honestly once I got good at painting, I just started to hate the fiddly bullshit in putting together multi-part plastics.
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>>87521805
Nice painting but what the hell is that pile under your desk?
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>>87514670
Maybe one of the new flames of war starter sets
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>>87514331
plastic soldier company does some resin/ultracast 20mm infantry models
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How well do Perry miniatures mix with bolt action ones?
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>>87523663
Noice. Are those MCMiniatures? Turners?

>>87525767
Not very well. BA are quite a bit larger and much different stylistically.
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>>87524046
honestly it wasnt too bad, painted up an army in a little over half a year I think, I can churn out two units over a weekend.

>>87525880
Baccus 6mm, great stuff.
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Is Warlords' Black Seas game any good? The models look like a bitch to put together with the rigging
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Yo is blackpowder any fun?
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What can I play with baccus 6mm minis? I had never even heard of 6mm until this thread and I can clearly tell this is the correct scale for my needs. Preferably AWI or SYW stuff.
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>>87526400
it is neither a good game or a good historical representation
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>>87526458
Maurice and Might&Reason are both 18th century games that are fine with 6mm, though M&R at least nominally isn't really for AWI. Baccus also sells the Polemos rules, Ruse de Guerre for the period which I think are also the newest Polemos set for now, not sure how different they are from some of the other sets. Then you have Twilight of the soldier kings for SYW/WAS, and I've seen people playing SYW with modified versions of Et sans resultat as well.
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>>87526751
Thank you I will look into these
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>>87526458
Honours of War for SYW if you're just starting out. Basing independent, all that's required is to represent column and line, so you could get by with two stands a unit. Quick play - activation by brigade, and no messing around with wheeling manouvers. Morale system, varying leader competence levels and national characteristics, so you keep some historical flavour and have enough elements in play to allow for narrative gaming.
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I thought of making medieval Russian cavalry for lion rampant from fireforge games byzantine koursores, by mixing some parts from their Russian infantry kit. Do you think they would look appropriate? Both byzantine and russian armour share some similarities, like face-covering chainmail and lamellar.
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>>87527282

And here are the koursores.
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>>87494117
We also had Serbs helping us out, which are Slavs, and thus black.
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>>87527833
Fact check: true.
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>>87527901
Serbia is BBC worshipper land
pottery
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>>87527901
>Czechs winning again
Pěkné!
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Good source on 28mm Winter WWII Americans? I want a small clutch for a battle of attu and possible operation highjump projects.
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>>87527901
>>87527935
I don't think Serbs even know what niggers are
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>>87505835
Those are looking great, but if i'm not mistaken Japanese tanks before WW2 almost never had sprayed camo but painted ones with hard edges, often separated by black lines? I might got that wrong, though.
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>>87528102
Warlord have a pretty comprehensive range and just added some artillery
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>>87524046
Try Contrast or Speedpaint, come back to thank me later.
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>>87528131
As far as my research could find Jap tank camo wasn't standardized before 1942, and several reference drawings I found had the sprayed two tone camo on Jap tanks in China. I do have a type 89 I did in the 4 tone black boarderd camo but, as you can see there's a small problem.

They're all in 1:56 scale too.

I went with the two tone because it was easier, I've done a bunch of four tone and it's a ball ache, and I just didn't want to do it again.

I got the three smaller tanks from an eBay 3d printer, two of which were free as they have minor imperfections. Since I suddenly and surprisingly ended up with more of them, they became my primaries and I've since shelved their acromegalic sister as a simple display piece, from an earlier time in my painting career.
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>>87524774
Temporary painting desk, had too move my regular painting supplies due to some construction
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>>87528452
As i said, i might be wrong with the camo. I was under the impression that sprayed paint came into (wide) use when they switched to the later camo scheme (Dark green, khaki, dark brown, no yellow stripes). The tanks in China with sprayed camo i saw were from the Kwantung army at the wars end, but of course i have no idea when the camo was applied.

As for the size... the big Type 89A doesn't happen to be the Trenchworx model, is it? Cause i have that one here, and yes, it's BIG. Closer to 1/48 than 1/56.. absolutely dwarfs my Type 89B a friend printed for me. Which is a shame, since it is a damn good model otherwise.
Anyway, that's a damn nice type 89 lineup you have there.
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>>87520972
Noice. I hope Boocoo Fire Mission sells steadily and fairly.
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>>87527282
The Medieval Russian helmets and parts would work, the heads often need trimming/mods to fit even on the kit bodies. The FF Russian kit isn't amazing, but it's the only option you have for kit-bashing.
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>>87527282
>>87527300
>>87529453
>but it's the only option you have for kit-bashing
Gripping beast has some mounted medieval russians, but the sculpts are not the best, imo.
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>>87529008
I'm not 100% positive, you know how dubious in reliability some reference drawings can be. Either way I'm happy with them. And yeah it sure is a trenchworx, I have a few others from then.. type 94, type 95. I do love trenchworx kits but they're scale is definitely wonky.

Truth be my Jap motor pool is getting out of hand. I think I may peel off the Chi-Ha and give it to my late 40s Chicom. Maybe repaint the Ha Go as I painted it a while back. Maybe start spreading some others out to other forces, captured by the Chinese, or put together a Manchukuo side project, or a kingdom of Siam even. I don't know.

This isn't even all of them, forgot the Carden Loyd.
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>>87527901
>countries farthest away from blacks like them
>countries closest to blacks hate them
What a puzzling and completely inexplicable situation. Truly these elite Harvard social scientists have a giant conundrum that will take years and millions of dollars in federal BLM grants to unravel.
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I start on two armies for a project and already want to begin piecing together the third. This hobby is a crippling addiction.
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>>87531486
>UK is far from blacks
>Czech Republic and Belarus are close to blacks
Erm?
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>>87531684
If you ask Czechs (or any other East Euro) about "black faces" they will probably undertand it as "gypsies".
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>>87531684
>Belarus are close to blacks
They must be, judging from the amount of niggers coming from their direction :^)
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Honestly i do think the boomers are right about metal
The detail just seems to be much better with perrys metals than they do in plastic
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>>87531827
About when I turned 27 I went full metal.
It wasn't a gradual thing either, it was like I woke up one day and decided I needed pewter in my hands.
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>>87531684
Czech republic is actually very close to Hungary.
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Am I supposed to have guys poking out of the tank turret?
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>>87532704
If you want. You don't need too, but if you have multiple of the same tank it can break up one's silhouette and help distinguish it from the others.
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Just assembled my first miniature. Is this pose fucked? I felt obligated to strap a gun to him. Broke the first mp40 trying to get a better position then gave up and went with that. Is it awkward? This is harder than I expected.
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>>87532849
Different angle
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>>87532849
It seems like a very dynamic pose for an activity which seems more static
I'm pretty sure the warlord kits are just naturally like that
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>>87513915

Clean up some of those mold lines, eg on the panzerfaust.

I really like Sonic Sledgehammer's WWII painting videos.

If you work with black primer, you can undercoat stuff like the hair, zeltbahn, panzerfaust, skin etc with an overbrush of a dark brown to provide a better base.

For the guns I like to drbyrush a dark metallic over a black base, then go back with a black wash. Some players paint it dark gray but I think gunmetal should be exaggerated on miniatures in the same way you use slightly brighter colors that RL.
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>>87532849

Imagine how gravity would pull that gun and the strap downwards. It would look more natural hanging straight down off his right shoulder. In general I don't like/use the guns on straps in Warlord kits. They're fragile you have a tacked-on look.

With your assembly/layout in general, some of your guys are going to be really pricy. A veteran grenadier with both an assault rifle and a panzerfaust is going to be 23 points. I really like to pad out squads with rifles. And give fausts to riflemen, so if your opponent gets exceptional damage he has to pick whether he wants a faust or assault rifle gone.

Anyways, just take it easy and take one piece off the sprue at a time. Clean it with a file or edge of an exacto knife. Test fit a pose before putting glue on to make sure it works.
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How do you find out what kind of terrain your table should have when trying to recreate some part of a battle or just general region?
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>>87529519

Fireforge also had some resin medieval russian cavalry, but the sculpts weren't very good either. That is why I am looking at plastic kitbashing.
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Guess i post a Japanese tank as well, one of my Chi-Has.
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I've painted half a platoon of british paras with canvas color webbing before I realised they likely would have green webbing. Should I go back and paint the webbing again?
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>>87535509
Depends for wich theatre? Paras in Tunisia/Sicily/Italy/Greece could have had faded/sun-bleached webbing quite easily.

Otherwise yes it would be blancoed for NWE but a bit of variation isn't the end of the world. 6th Airborne Div did remain in the field in Normandy from June 6th until August '44, and I doubt they looked parade-ground neat after a few weeks in the field.
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>>87535849
I was thinking Normandy/Netherlands so I guess I'm out of luck. Maybe I could get away with just a green glaze
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>>87532849
>Is this pose fucked?
Did you ever read a map this way?

Also: remove mold lines, holy fuck.
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>>87532849
The main problem i see with this pose is that the pose of the gun indicates fast movement while he is obviously standing and reading a map.
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>>87536006
>Also: remove mold lines, holy fuck.
too scared that I'm going to mess it up
>>87536037
Maybe he's running and reading a map
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>>87536493
Don't cut into the model just brush the line with the blade. If you're scared of stuffing even that up, you can use a very dull blade or even the non-sharp back end.
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>>87536493
They're historicals anon, they're cheap and you can always get more, you need to practice removing mouldlines so it's easier down the line, get on it and it'll be fine
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>>87536493
You have to start some time anon, historicals are pretty cheap. Always keep in mind that you do not start as a master of anything, whatever you make first is going to be fucked up, just learn from it.
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Where do you guys get your 20mm WW2 vehicles for use with AB minis?
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Tried to order baccus minis but no matter how much I call my bank they try to decline the purchase because it's overseas. I like thr minis but I don't want to do this little dance everytime I need some more redcoats. What are some 6 to 15mm mini companies that do SYW in the us?
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>>87537623
>not using paypal
>bank simply declines a payment
Lol
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>>87537661
Yeah I'ma big nerd. Now about those us based companies
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>>87537692
Man you're an amerilard and you let your bank decide for you what do to with YOUR money?

I don't know any US stockist but change your bank already. Globalization is a thing since decades, they enjoy it everyday in their trades. Fuck them already! What is it gonna take honestly? Rethink the problem with another approach honestly my friend.
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>>87537661
PayPal sucks. They locked my account last year without warning. Took a month to fix never using them again. There are actually ongoing lawsuits against PayPal from people in the same situation.
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>>87487764
Kill yourself
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>>87536835
95% of people are using 1/72 model kits
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>>87536517
I use a small, round file. Less risk to cut into the model.
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>>87536493
Get some Tamiya Thin plastic glue, the one with the green lid. After removing mold lines you can brush a bit of that over the area and it will "melt" any rough areas. Repeat if necessary.
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i just want to share this picture
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Where does Battlegroup start to go bad points wise?
I'm ok with 4-5 hour games
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>>87541649
HA! I just saved that from /pol/
But seriously, are their any wargames with Battle Camels?
The other photos had LMG and MMG camels, too.
So there is clearly a camel battalion out there. Is it India?
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>>87542489
Field of glory had a fair share of camels. But it was <1500 AD
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>>87541649
The guy looks like he lost a bet.
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I finally got my first AB and people aren't joking about them. I'm not going to bother taking a photo because I couldn't do it justice with my shit phone but the silhouette is just astounding and when you look up close the detail is unbelievable. I wish I had an autist friend to do something dumb like sharp practice with these.
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>>87542489
Those look like INSAS rifles, and the soldiers and people in the background all look Indian, so I'd say it probably is India. Plus only Indians would be this retarded
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>>87543677
I think you are correct.
It seems the Indian Army had a full camel corps up until 1974-5. They still use them in the Border Security Force. 1200 camels, 800 riders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikaner_Camel_Corps
It's still a cartoonish thought to imagine camel-mounted mortars being used.
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>>87541649
>>87542489
Camo camels.
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>>87542957
Just wait until you see some of Khurasan's 15mm ranges (probably 18mm though).
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Absolutely insane what some sculptors can achieve.
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>>87533577
you look at period depictions of the battle, read accounts from participants and to a lesser extent look at how the terrain looks today
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>>87543858
>It's still a cartoonish thought to imagine camel-mounted mortars being used.
makes perfect sense as a way to transport a mortar plus crew in rough terrain, it's the parade configuration of having it deployed on the camel that looks retarded (so do the action poses the other soldiers are doing)
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>>87502864
ADLG - DBA 3.0 at a very slightly larger scale (elements are double-depth) with a bit more 'game' to it. Runaway successor to DBM/DBA/MeG/etc. in the UK and EUrope
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>>87526201
I haven't tried but I do know that Fighting Sail from Osprey is £7 for the rulebook and two fleets large enough to play any engagement is £44 and that it is a truly fantastic game you can play on a dining table within an hour or two
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>>87545424
>parade configuration of having it deployed on the camel that looks retarded
That it does...it makes me wonder how they mounted picrel, otherwise.
There were 4 guns transported by camels from the Bijay Battery.
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>>87486092
>Confusederate
He figured it out eventually
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>>87542525
FOGN has battle camels for the Persians. Basically mass camels are considered light artillery
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Anyone tried the Xpress colours yet?
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Finally had the chance to have my first 3d sculpted miniature printed! really quite happy with how he came out. Learned a lot of lessons regarding as to how a 3d model actually translates to a physical model. For future minis I'll be sure to make details more exaggerated and its also good to see just how much detail is 'needed' on a 15mm model
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>>87542413
That really depends how good you are with the rules. My brother and I could do 1500 Pts games with 3 Inf Platoons + support weapons per side...but were are fast with the rules, with others I tend to stick to smaller games. Say max 600 pts Early War, 750 pts for 1943+ games. For 1945 stuff with loads of heavy armour 1K points is doable if you want lots of Panther/Jadgpanthers/King Tigers/IS-2s, etc. But I mostly play smaller games, 500-600 Pts in Late War settings.

The individual infantry casualties slows things down in large games. I think a BG NORTHAG-style infantry small-arms system would be good in a WWII setting for large games. I haven't had the time to try it out yet though.
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Is FoW any good? If not, what game would you recommend for playing WW2 in 15mm scale?
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>>87551565
FoW isn't a bad game; it plays pretty fast, and has a decent player base for either pick-up or competitive events. But it's not hugely historical. You're probably better off with something else.

A lot of people rate Battlegroup, but I personally didn't get on with it. I do like Kampfgruppe Commander, O-Group, and Chain of Command. I want to try Rommel. And there's good stuff I want to steal from Combat HQ and PBI. Haven't tried Crossfire, Fireball Forward, AIBSM, Nuts!, Hail of Fire, or any of dozens of others.
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>>87551728
Thanks! I'll take a look at those games.
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https://www.eurekaminuk.com/collections/100club-ww2-chinese-28mm

Eurekas 28mm Chinese have finally been released, Hopefully we will see an end of shoddy German conversions from now on.
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>>87552621
>Chinese anti-tank suicidemen (28mm)
I didn't know that was a thing. I'm also not surprised it was the Chinese who came up with it.
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>>87487257
Lol got a laugh out of me
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>>87487650
Shouldn't have killed a load of people lol
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>>87552799
It is actually somewhat unclear how much that particular tactic was used. They certainly existed, but the postwar propaganda has really blown them out of proportion. As a recent example, in the 2020 film The Eight Hundred, they portray an actual lineup of men strapping on grenades and jumping onto an enemy armoured vehicle. In reality, this was likely one man.
That's just one example, there's innumerable films and books playing up the noble (and always selfless, never coerced) Chinese suicide bomber.
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>>87499996
Same as wehrmacht just change the collar and pop the eagle on the arm
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>>87552882
It's illegal because they didn't kill enough
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>>87553037
Good side always wins :)
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>>87553135
Then why didn't the allies defeat the Soviets as well as they were the biggest evil, or let Nationalist China fall to the gommies post war?

Captia: AY GGAY
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>>87553037
>>87553135
both true since you can call yourself the good side if you win
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Noob here again. Just finished assembling the German infantry from the Bolt Action Band of Brothers box set. I now realize buying this box was sort of a stupid idea, and I should have just gotten a starter army instead.
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>>87551565
Check out Ostfront
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>>87550759
Mini looks fine, odd dildo he's holding though.
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>>87493996
Shut it down!
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>>87491493
Based.
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Any WW2 rulesets which make you feel like you're a part of a larger battle?
Anything more than aircraft or artillery?
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I am in a dire need of advice. Are there any miniatures that represent the scotts as they are depicted in movie Rob Roy, i.e. with bucklers and swords but also rifles?
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Found out about Perry and there are things i needed. Thank you for mentioning it, guys.
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>>87552960
There's a handful of accounts and even some photographs, like pick related from the battle of Taierzhuang, but I've read records that say Suicide AT attacks go back into the Warlord Era. I've always been kinda skeptical about that tho given how rare it was for armor to actually be committed during that era. But I know the movie you're talking about and it's pretty inaccurate in general, the most confusing part is that the CCP put out a film about Changs elite German trained units. I think it's safe to say that these tatics did happen, and probably often enough especially on fronts with poorer equipped Chinese units lacking any serious AT weapons. I know that most of Chinese heavy weapons were limited to field guns and they lacked any serious AT guns through out the entire war. But I've also read that the japs poorly used their armor in China anyways, and except for experiments in 1932 with combined operations they mostly used their tanks like the French, in penny packet infantry support role, where Chinese AT teams "found them rare and easy targets".
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>>87557855
Forgot my pic. Hurr fucking durr.
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>>87557855
>>87557859
But, also, actually I forgot to mention, that many of these Chinese Suicide attacks were against Japanese infantry and hard points as much as they were against Japanese armor. Probably more so. Attacking mg nests, soft targets like trucks, and infantry in buildings and the like.
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In the offchance someone might know, how does the arms of the Perry minuatures desert rats scale up with warlords British airborne? I want to have some rolled up sleeves and more varied arm poses.
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>>87557991
No. Completely different sculpting styles.
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Finally got the bank to let me do the baccus purchase. I ordered the British Seven Years War pack. Once I get it painted Im gonna get the frech set to play with a friend. I plan on using the Honours of War Rules.
Does anyone know of any good sources for British Uniforms of the Seven Years War I could use for reference? If not I'm probably going to give them black facings.
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>>87557855
While there are a few accounts and photographs, I still err on the side of caution for frequency. Just knowing how mythical Chinese history (of any era) can be, and given the always uber-patriotic tone.
As for the Eight Hundred, it's not that confusing if you have lived in China. The official story kids are taught is that the United Front was under the command of the Communist Party. This wasn't true, but it's what they have been taught. It's given them license to claim Chiang's victories as their own. Official story goes that he was just off pilfering stuff the whole time. It is always worth remembering that the PRC follow the theme of them being the rightful heirs of China. All Chinese successes in the past official Five Thousand Years(tm) literally belong to the Communist Party. All failures were people trying to subvert Chinese Civilization(tm). It's the same thematic approach to history and legitimacy they've used for most of their written history.
My favourite part of the Eight Hundred though is where they keep Nationalist the flag up on the rooftop during the air attack, but the shots of it are either out of focus, at a huge distance, or use the glare from the sun to make it hard to see.
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>>87559612
I mean I'm disgusted by the CCPs rewrite of history saying that Dr Sun Yet-San was a gommie and I chortle at them rebranding the Tiping Rebellion as a proto gommie uprising. They've even rebranded it to a revolution, as only bad guys and nogoodniks rebel. But yeah, I dig what you're saying Anon. If I'm not mistaken they even have shots in that movie of the National flag missing the White Sun in the Canton.
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>>87557080
Do you want something with a map campaign to frame each tabletop battle? Ostfront has this, not too sure how many other WW2 wargames have a built in map campaign
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>>87559321
Look in the OP - there are several Ospreys there that list the facing colours

Most are even on Wikipedia if you know the regiment you're looking for. Black is a bad idea as there was only ever a handful with black facings. Most were yellow or green with several blue-faced royal regiments.
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>>87557991
perrys sculpts are very realistic, warlords plastics are very "heroic"; meaning oversized heads, hands and guns
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Ya lads think this locomotive is too big? It's S gauge like my track and armored rail cruiser, which makes it 1:64 scale. I got it off eBay for 10$ with the hopes of turning it into an armored locomotive for building a larger armored train with. But, I feel it looks too big. I mean I guess steam engines are pretty fuckin big, but I'm not sure. Thoughts?



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