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『Horus Heresy』
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>What size magnets do I need?
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>homemade missions:
https://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html

>Thread Question
Predictions, hopes and fears for the Horus Heresy reveals in Las Vegas?
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>>87483608
Everyone wants the goddamn despoiler/assault kit, but we will get a plastic Deredeo or something else just because.
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>>87483849
I feel like a plastic deredeo is going to happen, just not yet. I feel like it doesn't sell quite as well as the others.
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>>87483608
>predictions
Another set of legion praetors from FW or another Primarch update, plastic Cerberus and maybe Despoilers/Assault Marines.
>hopes
Plastic breachers and/or recon marines, maybe a Deredeo. Saturnine would be cool, too, but it's next to impossible.
>fears
Another wave of tanks instead of infantry.
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So, what are you guys working on?
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>>87483608
>Predictions
At least one model from the teaser - assassin, psyker, cerberus...
Maybe something more? Didn't we get Khan last year?
> hopes
Assault/Despoiler kit, Recon/Seeker kit, more weapon kits?
> fears
Tanks or character for other legions.
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>>87483909
Finished the main body of a contemptor, working on the default arms now.
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>>87483909
Planning out what I need to do to have 3.5k ready to go in 3 weeks time. I had some dumb plans involving terminators and then some dumber ideas about breachers in landraiders. But apparently this is all trash so I'll either build 20 cataphracti and indominutes or 30 more tacticals. Maybe some Apothecarys too.
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>>87483909
Spartan
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>>87483909
10 man tac squad and melta pred
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What can I get away with using tyberos as?
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>>87484044
What he is: a RG terminator HQ from the terrans snubbed by Corax. Make a RG force going against theme with Deliverers, etc
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>>87484066
We need Legends options for Praetors, Centurions, and Command Squads in Indomitous...
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>>87484073
We need to erase the distinction between terminator patterns. It shouldn't matter just like mk3 isn't better against frontal attacks than mk2 in the rules.
Those rules only exist to gatekeep the use of non-30k models or limit what you can use to FW stuff, but in this case they've outlived their usefullness.
It's as stupid as normal Proteus LRs with no ramp or Phobos LR no longer being able to be taken as dedicated transports just because they want you to buy the Proteus Carrier. Fuck that.
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Mark 6 pissboy tac sergeant with white shoulder pads yay or nay
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>>87484044
As an Indomitus character. Shame there's no option to have a terminator character with a lightning claw and a chainfist for the weapons. Only unit I can think of with such option is Varagyr, who can take a frost claw and a chainfist.
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>>87484027
That's really crisp, anon. Good job.
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>>87484137
Thanks man
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>>87484044
Terminator champion with dual LC and paragon blade
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>>87483909
The boys and their trench
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>Building IF
>Another local also planning to play loyalist fists
Thinking of going traitor to at least increase the variety of opponents at narrative events. What could be some good reasons for fists turning traitor/ indepentant or are there any prominent examples already exisiting in the fluff. Currently thinking about a far flung force who are disgruntled at the emperor recalled dorn and the legion to fortify terra, rather than continue fighting at the frontier but even that seems weak.
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>>87484774
Read up on the Chinese Warlords of the 1910s-20s. They’re a great inspiration for /yourdudes/ traitors turned loyalist, vice versa, or independent.
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>>87484774
If they are a far flung force you can always make up some chaos taint nonesense. They can always end up in contact with some warp entity or place close to the warp like the one in Horus rising and end up getting a bit too into it.
Or they can start as allies to some auxilia or mechanicum force that end up being corrupted and the taint expands to them.
Eitherway there's really not that much of a neccessity for a reason. In 40k at least it's pertty common for forces that are in the middle of fucking nowhere with no checks or supports to end up getting seccessonist ideas
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>>87483909
Painting these two guys at the moment; Primus Medicae and Nullificator Prime respectively.
The Nullificator is mostly done, some fixes and the symbol on the belt notwithstanding, but the Apothecary still has some work ahead of him – for some reason I really don't feel like painting those spindly arms.
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Recon marines are just marines with shotguns or sniper rifles
That's an upgrade sprue
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>>87484961
>That's an upgrade sprue
that could be an upgrade sprue.
But like almost every infantry option in 2.0, GW seem reluctant to let people fukkin' buy it.
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>>87484961
And cloaks too. In fact, a seekers/recon kit would made sense.
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>>87483877
That might be because most people already have a derede, and you don't need more than 1 or 2 really. They people who don't have one yet are waiting for a plastic deredeo.
It certainly isn't because of rules, a deredeo with hellfire plasma cannonade is fucking busted.
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>>87485090
The cloaks no longer make sense, cameleoline cloak is no longer an upgrade sadly.
There is the skirmisher unit sub type now which does improve cover saves, but units which models never had cloaks also have it.
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>>87484355
oh gawd mouldlines
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>>87485465
Thank you anon, judge this fool for his lack of attention to detail.

He doesn't even drill his barrels.
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>Hopes
Assault Marines and Despoilers (ideally it would be a kit that can make both)
>Fears
More fucking tanks that we dont need right now since tanks suck
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>>87485511
>(ideally it would be a kit that can make both)
not going to happen because jump packs take up tons of sprues. they might do despoilers and make the jump packs an upgrade kit thats like 40 bucks for 10 jump packs. if they are beakies they might as well just keep making tanks though, fuck beakies.
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>>87485511
>>87485556
MkII despoilers with jump pack upgrades would make my peepee hard, but alas I don't think we're getting those until 2025.
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>>87485511
>ideally it would be a kit that can make both
I think it's either that and a separate sprue with bolt piestols to make destroyers or a kit with no jumppacks that can make destroyers and the jumppacks are separate
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>>87485503
Why would I drill las-weapon barrels? That would make the emitter comically large.

But yes I do need to get better at seeing moldlines.
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>>87485606
>Why would I drill las-weapon barrels?
Because that's how they're suppose to be. It would make sense not to have the vulnerable emitter exposed like that, but protected by being deeper inside the barrel. It could even act as a basic flash hider, limiting the profile of the flash from the emitter upon firing.
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>>87485785
>flash hider on a laser
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>>87485580
I would make so many ashen circle if the dark gods at gw gave us such a boon
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>>87485793
Yes. Imagine the emitter was exposed at the tip and you shot. The emission from the emitter would be visible to everyone who saw it. Have it shrouded and the emissions wouldn't be visible from the sides.

Besides, lasguns been depicted with muzzle flashes forever.
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>>87483885
>Saturnine next to impossible
its unlikely but if the boarding actions craze takes off and we see more ZM supplements I could see them doing it because they dont have any other way apart from breachers to monetize ZM.
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>>87486017
Also, HH2.0 clearly leans towards late heresy (all the depicted stuff is near or around the siege) and the new rulebook states Saturnine was issues late heresy.
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>>87483909
Just finished my 500pts for my group painting plan

>500pts painted a month

Working on some 40k stuff now till feb so I dont get sick of purple
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>>87485901
its a fucking laser, they are going to know where they are shooting from anyway
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>>87486051
Yet laser snipers in the setting use suppressors to hide their signature from the enemy. There's also the fact that you wouldn't have a fucking strobe light going off in your face when firing. We don't put muzzle devices on firearms just to look cool.
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>>87486104
>Yet laser snipers in the setting use suppressors
thats because bongs are noguns retards
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What are your favourite cataphractii loadouts? I wanna run a squad of 5 because they're cool in my IF list but don't want to use huscarls
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>>87483909
40 more goons into the meatgrinder
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>>87486104
laser weapon systems are already invisible, what the fuck are you smoking
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>>87486395
no they shoot red beams that go pew pew pesh
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>>87486395
>what the fuck are you smoking
420k lore.
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>>87486264
Just, like, standard version? Probably four combi-grenade launchers, a single assault cannon and poweraxes for all. Kicks out decent firepower at 24" range and can fight well enough.
Four combi-volkites, one assault cannon, grenade harness and powermauls or -spears is another great selection. Withering close-range firepower and great anti-horde melee.
I'd leave things like thunderhammers, combi-meltas and stormshields mostly to huscarls and command squads, unless you're doing Pride of the Legion and go all-in on terminators.
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>>87486293
Always lovely to see Solar Auxilia. One day I'll also bite the bullet, but I'd really hate to paint that many dudes at my slow pace.
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>>87483909
I actually finished these weeks ago, but I'll be doing more after I finish my BA Tac squad. Wanted to run them as militia but GW hates making rules.
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>>87486748
That looks armoured enough to be SA think
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>>87483608
More plastic vehicle kits, probably the javelin and vindicator (or did they show a vindicator already?). No infantry, nothing for any of the factions other than marines, no updated or corrected rules, no release roadmap.
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>>87483849
>the legion with a zoomarine also holds their pistols sideways
Is this all part of French's scheme to make the pisspigs a "bussin" legion?
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>>87486833
>no release roadmap
Deffinitely not that considering they are several months behind the last one they posted...
Pretty sure they only other thing in the teaser was the Cerberus
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>>87484044
RG catapraetor with two Raven's Talons.
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>>87484923
they're big guys
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My models always look way more shit on camera than in person
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>>87486264
Nullifactors with Disintigrators and Power Fists. The ultimate waste of points.

If regular combi-weapon and Fist
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>>87486808
I'll run them as that for the meantime I think. I don't get what's holding them up on the Militia/Daemons pdf though. They promised October and it would have had really good compatibility with the Cadia stands box.
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>>87486947
Cute nailart, bro.
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>>87486978
Ain't got no models, ain't gettin' no rules. Simple as.
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What's a good loadout for veterans? Not sure if I'll ever actually use them, but I want to build some
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>>87484044
Space sharks are as much reddit-meme-tier as Kriegers. LE HECKIN EPIC RIP AND TEAR. The Polynesian flavour is cringe as fuck, and sharks are gay. Crowboys are best boys, embrace being goth. Mad as fuck bitches don't bother replying, I'm not gonna read your malding redditoid retorts.
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>>87487096
Dual LC on ws5 models absolutely blends infantry tho a power maul is also pretty decent if you are on a budget.
Combi-weapons can also be good if you want somethign more ressilient than seekers tho the later will probably have more chance to use them with infiltrate
They can also be a source of graviton shots, which is not bad on a relentless unit
But if you are not gonna use them you might as well make each model have a different loadout for coolness
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>>87487028
Redefine the term "slayers"
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>>87487166
At first read that as "cowboys", now I want a cowpoke legion in stetsons
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>>87483909
I've got 20 tacticals and an Apothecary to paint for Saturday so I've been going over the rest of my models from my list and making them look more weathered instead of doing any real painting
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>>87487269
Any pics
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How much character-breaking was Angron's "Nooo" in Angron vs. Sangy scene in the Echoes of Eternity?
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>>87487435
Angron has been a bitch in previous books, this was not really new. The problem was that this should have been the first time he was banished, and his internal narrative doesn't match his previous appearance in the Siege.
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When's this guy release? I need more Alpha Legion
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>>87483909
trying to decide on my next project. I’m thinking salamanders
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>>87487634
Volkite Guardsmen when?
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>>87486947
Ah, the order of the Emergency Service Vehicle.

Nice work though.
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>>87487653
I can't unsee a guitar now
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>>87486947
giant red nails is surprisingly dark angels... looks epic
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>>87487042
It's over for us Imperial Army sisters
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>>87487425
Just got home from work so here's a quick one straight from the table
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>>87488805
Ideally they're going to look like they've been in the same fight as my Justaerin
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>>87487919
No more sound marines
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>>87487268
You laugh, but my 40k Dangle Ravenwing are Cowboys and Indians themed.
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>>87486031
>>87486017
How would you even differentiate Saturnine from Cataphract-type armor? T5?
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>>87489312
T5
3W
rerollable armor save
heavy weapon on its back
buy them as single model units and go up to 5
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>>87489378
>T5
"No!"
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>>87489312
They don't really need to be different statwise. Maybe just cheaper but no access to TH or combi-weapons or somethign like that
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What size ball bearings should I order to heresy up some Indomitus armour? I'm thinking 1 or 2mm to make studs but I'm not sure
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>>87489465
The studs on the pads are 1.45mm
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>>87489465
1mm is best its whats on mk IV. But 2mm is easier (assuming you have the drill for it)
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>>87489518
I was wrong
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>>87483885
Saturnine terminators are so fucking cool it's unreal
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>>87489378
that proposal reduces the chance of successfully causing an unsaved Wound on the target with bolters from about 1/20 for Legion Terminators of any type to about 1/200 in addition to making the basic bitch 50% harder to kill; it is rules cludge for the sake of slowing the game down in the hope your opponent will concede that you are no fun at all

for reference Iron Warriors with bolters can get Glancing Hits on AV11 11% of the time when accounting for rolls To Hit and Armour Penetration

in addition to which you're demanding the heavy weapon mount that I'm pretty certain is fanon since it was never on the original models at all, you've not mentioned Heavy sub-type though you have asked for a rerollable Armour Save - meaning anything with AP3 or worse can only wound successfully 1/36 times -etc etc

your proposal is innumerate and stupid, like you yourself; there is literally no downside to it, no trade or payoff other than - I fucking hope - you're about to say yeah, they should cost like 90 points each, base, with shit upgrades so nobody takes this stupidly broken unit for any reason, ever

>>87489312
Tartaros - 2+/5++

Indomitus - 2+/5++, *Heavy Unit Sub-type

Cataphractii - 2+/4++, cannot make Sweeping Advances, *Heavy Unit Sub-type


*not actually part of the armour, just universally applied by army list entries

I mean the obvious thing to do - and the sole way to make it not broken, or rather, to not break the rest of the game for one gay fanon unit, would be

A Saturnine - 2+/3++, cannot make Sweeping Advances, *Heavy Unit Sub-type

but you could also

B Saturnine - 2+/4++/6+++, cannot make Sweeping Advances, *Heavy Unit Sub-type, FNP6+ stacks with other sources of FNP unless those sources do not stack

then for most purposes the chance of losing a wound to bolters goes from ~1/20 to ~1/20 for A Sat or if bolters offend your gay ass for some reason to ~1/23 for B Sat

but here "bolters" also means anything S4 <AP3 like say 83% of power sword hits
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>>87489750
mucho texto
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>>87489750
>in addition to which you're demanding the heavy weapon mount that I'm pretty certain is fanon since it was never on the original models at all
literally from a novel you asswipe
one of the short stories in Shattered Legions
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>>87486947
>FC Cark Zeiss Jena
A marine of taste I see.
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>>87489750
>Indomitus - 2+/5++, *Heavy Unit Sub-type
I am only just now realising indominatus can sweep this edition.
BRB making 30 indominatus for a pride list.
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>>87489438
If Indomitus, Tartaros and Cataphracti need to be different stat-wise you can bet your ass Saturnine needs to be different.
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>>87489947
now show me where saturnine pattern is mentioned anywhere official
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>>87489969
They shouldn't, we're not in 2010 anymore.
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>>87489926
You... you only just realized? ...How?
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>>87489969
>>>87489438
>If Indomitus, Tartaros and Cataphracti need to be different stat-wise
They don't, and now that GW took over there is no legitimate reason for it any longer. The only reason that terminator armour patterns got different rules was only because FW was desperate to push their resin terminator models' sales, nothing more.
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Y'know, thematically I don't hate the idea of Heavy Support terminators that are actually kinda ungainly and awkward in melee, but roll in with rotor guns and grenade launchers in hand and a heavy bolter or autocannon strapped to their dome.
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>>87489979
>>87490007
Yes, well, here we are, with the new ruleset and all terminator patterns having different rules. So there's that.
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>>87489986
First time reading the entry. The line in pride lists makes them stupid.

For 250 you can take 5 thunderhammer + stormshields. Taking are pair of Lightning Claws instead are 5ppm cheaper. Why am I not seeing these everywhere?

What's the point of tartaros?
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>>87490015
>saturnine
Squat exo-armor is based on saturnine, down to the shoulder gun, I doubt GW will give saturnine to SMs.
>terminator grenade launchers
hell yeah
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>>87489979
2010 didn't differentiate them past cataphractii/everythingelse
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>>87489972
"Saturnine" teminators have been mentioned several times, but never tied to a picture despite the usual fan theory.
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>>87490015
Shooty terminators are beyond based, but I still want powerfists and ws4.
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>>87490046
>several times
100% sure that's the only time
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>>87489979
>they shouldn't
They should and so should all armour marks
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>>87489972
It's mentioned by name only in Horus Heresy Book One - Betrayal. People just associated an unnamed pattern of armor with an unshown pattern of armor.
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>>87490046
Saturnine also appears in the armour timeline in the core rulebook iirc. so it has been mentioned several times but never pictured. also in the timeline the mkVI armour is called out as having a subpattern called "rtb01", so it seems like they just like putting easter eggs around.
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>>87490076
MkII
>-2PPM, 4+sv
MkIII
>Heavy, -1m
MkIV
>nothing
MkV
>-1ppm
MkVI
>+1M
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>>87490121
>mkV suddenly becomes the best armour because its just cheapest
>mkVI becomes the white scars favoured mark because you get +2 movement
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>>87489972
the new core rules have a timeline of space marine armours. It lists Mk II, "Imperial" pattern, Mk III, Cataphractii, Mk IV, Tartators, Mk V, Mk VI, Saturnine.
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>>87490102
"rtb01" are suppossed to be the new beakies, IIRC
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>>87490141
yeah it explains the slight variations in the kit but its also a reference to the original Beakie kit (rtb = rogue trader box)
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>>87490121
>Mark II, claimed by some veteran marines to be the best armour pattern of all
>a 4+ save
Absolutely heretical. The arbites have been informed, and an executioner squad are on their way to your location.
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>>87489969
Cata and tartaros have almost identical stats and Indomitus is a mix of both. No, +-1" movement and 4++ or 5++ is not the fucking same as 3 wounds and T5. If you want to play gravis marines, play 40k
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>>87489750
You could just give saturnine 2+5++ and let them reroll all failed saves
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>>87490087
>>87490046
>>87490140
you guys are gonna call this goalpost moving but I genuinely meant for you to show me where the egg terminator was called saturnine
for all we know pic related could've just been retconned into vulkan's donut steel armor
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>>87490398
Rerolls keep slowing down the game, so I'd rather not.
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>>87490413
afaik you're right, that armour was never given a pattern name. It would be cool if the egg armour was made to be Vulkan's design imo, could be released alongside a campaign where the Salamanders feature heavily. of course that shit just ain't happening but it would be neat.
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>>87490413
Oh, that might well not be saturnine.
But there's clearly been a push to mention Saturnine. So we're more likely to see a new terminator pattern, even if it's not that.
But we're also in the nostalgia bait age, where beakies and old-style tanks are coming heavy, so I'd lean on the egg termies for the same reason.
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>>87490121
mkIII should just be void hardened
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>>87490413
It was never called Saturnine.
It's definitely Terminator armor, that's all we know. Nocturne Pattern is as good a name as any, but I do like Saturnine as a name.
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>>87490040
I totally forgot about GGG I always liked his Elysians
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Quick question. Wanted to give my Praetor a combimelta so was digging around in old sprues, found this tigris pattern from the sternguard kit. The symbol on it looks almost like a crux terminatus but not, is it just a more generic veteran symbol? Basically just want to know if I should shave it off or if this form with the gem instead of a skull is fine
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>>87491015
Borderline case: never officially described, but it's only seen in 40k and is usually associated with the rosarius. I would scrape it, but no one will hassle you if you don't.
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>>87491070
Thanks man for clearing that up
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Having really hard time choosing a legion. Just dont wana pick one that gets boring or sucks.

Any suggestions?
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>>87491451
Traitor Ultramarines
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>>87491451
traitor fists. space fleet warlord kings
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>>87491451
Alpha Legion never gets boring. So much funny gimmicks to do, and can always steal a new unit from another legion to spice things up.
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>>87483909
Finishing up a second 20-man DA tactical squad. I have terminators to do after that, which I'm really excited for - they're very heavily modified.
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>>87490463
>>87490471
>>87490692
post yfw pic related is the actual saturnine
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Trying to make Artificer Armor for my World Eaters Praetor and holy shit is the new plastic Praetor with the power axe WIDE. Even using the chonky Tortuga Bay bodies, there's like a total 1mm of space between the torso and the shoulders+cape I'll have to fill with plasticard/greenstuff.
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>>87491451
>the word bearers armor says NORF over and over
10/10
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>>87491717
post pics of termies
>>87483909
working on tacticals. almost done dude #5, trying to give them all unique heraldry which has been a lot of fun.
buying a box of mk3 to mix it up a bit, having to paint 20 mkvi dudes sounds fun, 40 does not.
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>>87491786
The praetors are scaled up. Take their backpacks, shoulders, anything that can be compared side-by-side. They just took the base model and scaled it up 10-20%
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>>87491802
This anon is spot on - most obvious on the back pack. I don't know why they felt the need to do this.
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>>87491786
Yeah the praetor models from the AoD box are completely the wrong scale for 30k, no idea what GW was thinking.
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>>87491851
>>87491887
bigger model more good
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>>87491970
No, if I wanted to play with dolls I'd just visit a children toy store and be off much cheaper. It's called MINIATURE wargaming ffs.
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>>87491015
Idk what the fuck the other anon is talking about but the cross is a pretty generic veterancy symbol that many legion use. You can see it in the transfer sheets of WE, RG, Salamanders, etc
It woulnd't be that weird for it to be on an HQ's weapon.
That's not a tigirs tho, it's a godwin pattern
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>>87491801
I'll post pics when I'm done painting them, probably at least a couple weeks. They're not even fully assembled yet, although it will be fast once I get to it. I don't want to spoil them but they're a mix of the regular Cataphractii, 3d-printed parts, greenstuff, and bits from others kits. I wanted to make them look more elite and more knightly than the regular Cataphractii kit. (And they will be really over-the-top.)

Mega jealous of those tacticals, too, the heraldry looks amazing. Here's some of the last tactical squad I painted.
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>>87492003
Thanks anon thats good to know, I just saw the box mag and assumed tigris. Is the godwyn also fine? Trying google it atm, if it is I could make some seekers too since I've got more non-combi variants with similar box and drum mags from the same sprue if I just shave off the aquilas
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Why is no one talking about Predators? They are light tanks, easy to kill with any anti-tank weapon, but they get points-efficient anti-tank firepower with Magna-Melta+Lascannon sponsons or quad lascannon, or anti-infantry with Volkite+Volkite sponsons or quad flamer.

Or give them Conversion Beamers and Neutron Blasters and spam debuffs to support your melee units. Conversion Beamer can also drop AP1 pie plates on enemy units hiding in the back, from out of range of Return Fire.

I feel like if you can get over playing vehicles in the dreadnought edition, these guys are 150 pts, move 14 and still fire their turret weapon at full BS. They are one of the better heavy support choices. The kit is highly modular so you only need three or four and just swap the weapons between games.
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>>87492217
>Is the godwyn also fine?
Yeah. It's the prevalent pattern from 40k but there's a lot of official art in the black books showing those types of weapons. Like the Mars rhino, it's not like they didn't exist in 30k but they were less common
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>>87492088
thanks anon, I like yours too. I like his oath on his arm there, I wanna start greenstuffing but I have no experience with it lmao.
The heraldry is easily the most fun part of the mini desu. just gotta be really slow and think about the colours ahead of time, or you'll accidently create the welsh flag like I did on the one guy
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>>87492257
/tg/ is convinced that all vehicles are worthless this edition because HSS always have range and line of sight and it's clearly impossible to kill models with T4 and a 3+ save
Imo predators are pretty good. Volkite works with reactions. Flamers let you move at full speed and still attack with all weapons. Conversion beamer is hilarious if you can pull it off tho it's kind of a meme weapon. There's a lot of valid loadouts
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>>87492257
Because we don't care about waac optimized min/maxing and the rhino chassis lower hull sucks to build
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>>87492283
Sweet, I was wanting some seekers too anyway to try and hunt augury scanner sargeants so saves me more bit hunting
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>>87492257
because tanks don't fit narratively into my terror assault list
though if I could take more leviathans in dreadclaws, that'd be cool
nothing scarier than a 200 ton robot dropping on your head in the middle of the night
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Why do loyalists get all the cool primarchs? In one corner you got a guy with wings, a guy with metal arms, a fucking black guy, the on the other it's just a bunch of bald guys, a twink, and magnus
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>>87492304
This is literally the first greenstuffing I've ever done. It's honestly not that hard. I think I used greenstuff with a tiny bit of milliput mixed in for the oath, but basically I just made a little ball, flattened it out, let it dry for a while, then cut a strip using an xacto knife before wrapping it around his arm and adding a knife disc for a nail (I used the knife to even it out a little by scraping I think). There are probably even easier/better ways to do it, and you can make them other ways, too - if you go to youtube there's tons of videos on it.

I really wanted to do unique heraldry, too, but I'm really ocd and I can't freehand for shit. I wasn't sure where to put it either since the embossed icon takes up all the space. I did the hand coloring instead (with the vexilla) to try to do squad heraldry - the second squad is similar but with green instead of red.

Yours really looks so beautiful. I'm mega jealous of your skill. I hope to be that good one day; I'd love to do something like that on my Cataphractii.
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>>87492571
don't forget the schizo
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>>87492257
Oh there have been people talking about Predator squadrons. Pretty much from the start of HH 2.0 there have been perceptive anons who've pointed out how much point efficient firepower predators have, and how incredibly flexible their weapon options are.
Basically the only a way a predator squadron doesn't fit in your list and improve it is when you're playing a ROW that prohibits the use of vehicles.
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>>87492573
>I hope to be that good one day
haha its nothing special anon but thanks :)
if you just take it slow, imagine the image in your mind and believe in yourself, you can get it done easy.
looking at your mini, desu theres stuff I like, your panel lining is good and mostly straight, the vexilla is good.
desu your limiting belief is likely the only thing holding you back
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I need help picking a new legion.

So I have iron warriors and it's mostly tanks and tacticals.

I have a collection of dreadnoughts (2 leviathans, 2 casteferrum, 1 contemptor and 1 deredeo) I haven't painted that I'm unsure if I want for my IW or a new legion.

I want to start a new late heresy legion. I think I want to use lots of assault marines and jump infantry and possibly terminators but I might leave that to an IW pride list.

On sprue I have 20 mk3 and 40 mk6, 15 catathracti and 20 indominatus, and tons of bits to make them whatever I want.

I'm learning towards nightlords as it should give me some cool conversion options(this also let's me do cool units like Terror squads and raptors) but I'm also considering late heresy world eaters and marrying in some khorne bezerrker parts.

Pic related, its a test world eater.
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>>87492776
do nl, mk6 is lame for we.
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>>87492700
I like the vexilla a lot too but my freehand abilities are shown on the "LION" lettering. It's not terrible but it's nothing to write home about either. I don't think I'm bad or anything, freehanding is just daunting. :-)

The Cataphractii will all have the tilting plates so I'll try practicing beforehand and see if I can get something I like. The rest of the models will be awesome, so heraldry on them would be a great finishing touch. I went with DA because I love knights so DA models with good heraldry just look so amazing to me.
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>>87483909
Sons of Horus tactical squad
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>>87492571
You guys get the Brap Lord
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I built my 9th legion vet squad with bolters, 8 of which have chain bayonets, and one marine has a pair of power claws, another has a vexila

the sarge has a Blade of Perdition and Fires of Heaven

I feel like I'm not equipping them with enough
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>>87493077
>WS5 and +1 to wound in melee
>just give them chain bayonets
I think you should trust that feeling
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>>87490060
>100% sure
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>>87493077
>Not giving each veteran a combi-weapon and power weapon, having artificer on the sergeant, and a nuncio vox and augury scanner too
Not even trying.
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>>87491786
Nice Cato.
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>>87491015
the veteran cross there is also found on Fafnir Rann (on his metal loincloth, with VII in the centre and surmounted by a laurel), on the MkIV Legion Champion (from the set with the Master of Signal) with a skull replacing the jewel inset, found on his left pauldron as a jewelery piece; on the IF Tartaros Praetor (as roundels on both pauldrons and surmounted by a fist on his left greave); painted on the tabard of the IF Legion Champion from the IF Legion Command set on the FW site; oh and in skull form as the ELITES symbol over every Elites army list entry in the game

it has the same meaning in 30k as it does in 40k - veteran

it's fine
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>>87493126
>two of the same identical sentence, the second being literally a reprint of rules from the first
>a warcom article written by people who don't even know what 40k is
>literally just the name of the armor
Try harder, retard
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>>87493325
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>>87493325
>source:whc
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>>87491970
>GW runs on Ork logic
Explains the floor on the Dorn tank.
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>>87493441
If tha enemey cant see et its not a design flaw
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>>87493441
What happened with the floor I stopped paying attention to that shitbox after the reveal
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I just want to be able to take a Terminator Centurin with TH and LC
Is that really too unbalanced to allow?
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>>87493598
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>>87493572
>>87493603
No, see, it is survival mechanism in case of Oh no, the tank is on fire!
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I just want dual power fists on my entire terminator squad for maximum fisting action is that really that much to ask for?
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>>87493603
Holy fuck thats pathetic
>>87493648
Id like the intern who thought that was a good idea to suffer a significant emotional event
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>>87493717
>Holy fuck thats pathetic
more pathetic is the ocean of shitters who defend it by saying that GW should need to include another sprue to house the part and that they are just trying to keep costs down for them pls think of the company for the $100 tank
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>>87493603
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>>87493786
Oh no, imagine having to include another sprue of plastic that costs a few cents! How would GW ever financially recover?
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>>87493786
Reminder that these two kits cost the same (£80).
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>>87493835
Depends where you live.
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>>87493835
Which one is older? GW doesn't really refresh their prices too much, so in the absence of hikes older kits start to become comparatively reasonable.

Check the old Fantasy kits out sometime.
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>>87494211
They refresh them whenever they update the box, combine kits or throw in a spare sprue.

Another good example is Razorwing (£32.50) and Crimson Hunter (£52.50). £20 extra for same sized vehicle, same amount of sprues, same purpose, but one is a little newer.
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>>87483909
Waiting on my jump packs to finish building this Blood Angels Assault squad, still need to do the basing for all my Emperor’s Children, figure out how to highlight/paint an Iron Hand for my famous punting dreadnought. Procrastinating priming 5 more Kakaphoni so I can have two squads of 10, but they just do so little for their points compared to a volkite HSS.
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>>87483909
A Vultarax and a Thanatar-Calix.
Ordered some 4mm acrylic rods to use as a flying stand for the drone, I want to mount it on a clear base to make it look like it is hovering.
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>>87490053
I do have some news for you, anon.
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>>87493835
reminder that the Stompa only builds one thing and so contains much less "spare" plastic

>>87493603
how else are you gonna get a fleshlight in there idiot
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Hope we get something akin to the centurion devastator in concept but terminator-based and less retarded looking
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>>87492571
On the other hand the color palette on the traitor side is a lot richer. I mean half the loyalist legions come in armor painted black and grey.
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>>87494977
Isn't that kinda what >>87494914 are? Mobile heavy weapons platforms in terminator suits.
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>>87495003
not enough dakka
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>>87495003
Imagine Grave Wardens with CML and fist mounted grenade gauntlet.
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>>87494977
Dakka Termis would be cool but i'm really hope we get jump pack veterans. I dont even play a melee focused legion but I would field a squad in a heart beat. Some legions get a similar thing like BA and UM but it's not the same as a generic unit.
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>>87489969
To resurrect this old discussion, my take on saturnine would be 2+3++, but with M4. Makes them very sluggish, with -1 to charge distances, but not wildly different from other terminators. Also thought that either battle hardened and/or bulky 3 might make sense, the former for making them harder to ID, and the latter to make it impossible to fit many of them in a party van.
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>>87490634
Heavy type is void hardened in 2.0
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>>87493157
Cato is kosher for heresy
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>>87486748
looks sweet mate
mind telling where they're from?
i'm assuming 3d printed but figured i'd ask
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>>87491801
Cool dudes pls more pics
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>>87495434
Of course, he's effectively wearing fancy MkII. Just swap the M37 backpack and he's good to go as a UM character or veteran.
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>>87492789
Not for inductii retards
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>>87495447
That's what I did, mkiii backpack and a change of sword and pistol. I also changed the head because I lost the original helmetless one
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>>87494977
Centurions are unironically some of the best 40K SM models
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>>87494996
It's not really.
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>>87495434
>>87495447
Cato's shoulder pad at least is in fact currently (HH era) being worn by Orar
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>>87495704
True, it's supposed to be a custom mk II shoulder pad so no problem. The only issue could be the helmet and the backpack
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>>87495657
Wrong.
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>>87495657
>>87494977
Fuck off, they have always looked retarded
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>>87495799
I like to think that special MK7 helmets that have like, veteran decorations or other artifices can just be used in 30K as custom-made one offs helmet or beakies with the snout cut down like they used to do in Rogue Trader.
Plus some HH characters do have the mouth grill
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>>87495848
>>87495799
forgot to attach the pic
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>>87495825
retards
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>>87495848
Yes, and we are supposed to have mkvii in the siege, but it doesn't really fit with the rest of the armour being mkii. Also Kharn has a modified sarum pattern, which ultramarines wouldn't have access to before or during the heresy
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>>87495848
I prefer the MkV style arch grill for 30k over the trianglular one. Besides, it's not like there isn't plethora of alternatives. The UM upgrade kit comes with pic related, which would probably look fine on the body.
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R8 pls
HQ
>Centurion upgraded to Castellan with autocannon and architect of devastation
Troops
>10 Tactical Marines. power fist
>10 Breacher Squad. powerfist. 2 marines equipped with meltagun
Elites
>5 Cataphractii Termi Squad. Grenade Harnass. thunder hammer, 2 chainfists, 2 power fists, vexilla
Heavy Support
>10 Autocannon HSS
>10 Assault cannon HSS in a rhino
>2 magna-melta predators. 1 searchlight, 2 dozer blades.
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>>87495896
Well, it's an original list.
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>>87495896
Seems fun, would play against.
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>>87495913
Trying not to go to full in the face with IF shit.
>>87495933
That's the aim. Trying to build a small 1.5 force that is reasonably fair for pick up games and for family who have expressed interest to try it out with. Could be stronger by far but that would just be a lot of bs
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>>87495877
Oh I know, even I have issues with mixing armor marks but I'm really okay with using whatever helmet on one off characters and I feel like it's the easiest to justify by saying "it's artificer don't worry about it"

>>87495888
It always comes down to personal preferences of course, I'm personally a Mouth Grill Liker and I was simply making a case for it
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>>87495933
>>87495913
Also im trying to work out if i'm happy with the terminators. not sure if its better for them to have a solarite gauntlet or a thunderhammer. TH being brutal 2 seems much better with no second close combat weapon.
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>>87495950
Yep, I don't have a problem with it either for characters, I love when people take the time to customize their dudes and you can see the love they put into them, way better than just spending a fuck ton on FW and airbrushing a lazy coat of paint and calling them done
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>>87495896
Based for having a couple of predators, desu
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>>87495966
You take solarites for theme and to bully t5 or IH
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How gay is an armored spearhead consisting of only Sicarans and no predators? I prefer them aesthetically and it works well for my UM since it was them and the IH that designed them
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Theres an upcoming Zone Mortalis event in my area, 500pts per player, multiple players a side, and I had an idea

Should I take a librarian and just spam this power down a hallway to troll?
as in ZM, templates stop scattering when they hit a wall, so its effectively getting a load of free S6 hits, then a load more (+difficult terrain) when models try to move away from it
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>>87496244
Sounds like a terrible bookkeeping nightmare that will ultimately do nothing but make people angry
Take 3
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>>87496280
maybe I should just print off some paper templates to fold when it hits a wall?
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>>87496287
No, you need to make it as difficult as possible
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>>87496301
is it too evil if I use these ones?
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>>87496287
yes, but not for hitting walls, just cause you need to leave em there for the entire game
unless you got like 12 plastic templates laying around somewhere
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>>87496244
People gonna bring a lot of units with (Heavy) in Zone Mortalis, that power is gonna do literally nothing.
Had the same idea and tried it a few games, it was funny how little it achieved.
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>>87496244
you local mechanicum/SA player is going to hate you
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>>87496569
true I suppose, but it is only 500pts per player and heavy units are usually expensive, so at most it'll just be cataphractii terminators, and even then the difficult terrain can slow them down even further
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>>87496582
>laughs in mymradons
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>>87496582
Mechanicum aren't gonna care, they'll just bring a Myrmidon squad. With 3+ saves and being Heavy they'll just laugh at the blasts, and continue to fuck your shit right up.
>B-but too expensive to bring in 500 pts!
Mechanicum can bring two troop choices for 90 points, they got 410 left for an HQ and then maxing out on phased plasma fusil myrmidons.
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I cannots seem to find any stls for UM Praetorian shields, so how could i represent Praetorian breachers without those and still keep them distinct enough from normal breachers so they won't just look like normal breachers but with swords?
Also for the tq realistically i think we'll see plastic dordeo but i hope (even though I don't think it will happen)we'll see more plastic infantry,and maybe a new plastic tartaros praetor
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Speaking of the Heavy type and that Specific psychic power
...what happens if the hits are inflicted by the template being on the ground and walked over?

I'll agree that the initial power is a template weapon (granting heavy rerolls), but then when the template is sitting there, its now just difficult terrain that inflicts S6 AP4 hits rather than a template weapon anymore right? and thus no heavy reroll because its not a template weapon?

anyone able to answer?
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>>87496781
did some quick research

its uh
its not a template weapon.
so heavy doesnt get rerolls against it
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>>87483877
It isn't as versatile as a Contemptor, nor as iconic. So I guess you're right.
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Telepathy OP?

first power is just a "fuck you, no reactions"
second power is just "fuck you, take an immediate pinning check with most likely a -4/-5 because im BS5"
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>>87496946
Telepathy is probably very meta right now. If the second power didn't work on Stubborn it would be more balanced, but as it is worded it goes through Stubborn.
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>>87496940
If you mean by 'not as versatile' that it can't do melee, sure. But its plasma cannonade absolutely fucks infantry, and those big throbbing lascannons make short work of vehicles.
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>>87497009
because it adds to the result rather than reducing the LD?
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>>87483608
Is a transport worth it for an Immortals+Graviton Pistol Moritat anti-tank/dread squad or should I just foot slog them up the field? It's already a pretty big points investment as it is but I worry about them getting shot off the field before they take out all their targets.
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>>87497051
yes
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>>87497099
to be fair it sounds troll worthy enough to justify using over "this template isnt a template weapon so heavy doesnt get rerolls against it" pyromancy
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>>87490076
>>87490121
What if I'm mixing armor marks
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>>87497065
The main issue would be the Immortals being too slow because they can't run. They don't get shot off the board easy, need at least Str 9 to stop their FnP
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>>87497153
Sounds kinda based
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>>87497153
>Armor mixing stat table
Naturally.
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>>87496224
pretty gay predators are way cooler than sicarans
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>paint test mini
>happy with it but realise I didn't take notes on how I achived it
>fuck
>manage to replicate it on second mini
>apply this to the rest of the unit
>they look different to the initial two
fuck fuck fuck fuck. No one will ever notice the difference but i'll know
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>>87497250
>Not having 2 hour pre game discussion about what model has which characteristics from from the rag-Tag hobo Frankenstein armor you custom made for each tac squad

Normiere get out REEEEE
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>>87497065
>shot off board before they take out their targets
what targets? No one brings vehicles and dreads are in combat or well outside graviton range.
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>>87497305
Why the fuck do you require notes on how you did a paint job? Did you mix several paints and thinner in a large cauldron before heating it with a bunsen burner or what?
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>>87497385
NTA, but I've nearly messed up a model just by forgetting exactly which paints I used.
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>>87497385
He probably plays sallies, needs to keep the fire burning.
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>>87497385
it's a slightly different shade you faggot
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>>87496826
no they get it versus template and blast so they'd get the reroll. its literally a BLAST 5"
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>>87497314
>2 hours
but thanks to my trusty tables and charts it only takes half that time
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>>87497468
Eat shit faggot.
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Guys, how do we fix artillery this edition?
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>>87497715
>fix
It's been fixed
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>>87497715
What you mean?
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>>87497715
It is currently so expensive points wise, and so utterly unlethal, that no sane man would include it in his army list other than thematic reasons.
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>>87497754
>t. have never played or played against a scorpius squadron
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>>87486851
the sideways grip would make sense if his pistol is full automatic and he had a group of enemies closeby. rather than kicking up it would recoil across the targets
>ayo dorn I'm finna do a drive-by on these horus niggas
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Can Alpha Legion ever hard lose without it being a part of wider scheme or just-as-planned moment?
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>>87497485
It's literally not though. Blast is a special rule and the remaining in play element isn't a blast weapon
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>>87497849
Yes, they just won't admit it.
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>>87497849
Yes.
But they can never lose without claiming it is part of a wider scheme or just-as-planned moment
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>>87497715
you take 3 motherfucking scorprius tanks and you bomb the shit out of your opponent while driting them aross the table
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>>87497867
>>87497874
Any times in the lore where they have suffered an honest defeat without any asspulls?
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>>87497849
They lost one of their primarchs and still just as planned about it so no
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>>87496940
Deredeo is my favorite dreadnought - I actually think they look amazing and Leviathans look like shit.
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>>87497914
The death of alpharius was pretty humiliating
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>>87497914
Arugably the deaths of Alpharius and Omegon, assuming those are what they appear to be. The problem is, we don't know half the battles they've been in, whether any of the battles we saw went as we believe, or even what they consider win conditions.
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>>87497924
What did attack on Pluto even achieve for anyone in the long run?
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>>87497977
For the loyalists a dead primarch and they got rid of a bunch of AL assets and shit but probably not all of them because AL bullshittery. The alpha legion aimed to quickly take pluto without anyone realising it had even happened by killing astropaths. Horus' goal was to sow chaos before the siege of terra. The AL were doing it for the future or whatever hack shit. In the end the AL were pretty unbothered that alpharius died and alpharius became alpharius after pretending to be omegon for decades.
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is it worth splitting an age of darkness box if i want to play alpha legion?
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>>87497977
Besides padding out the HH novel series, not much really.

>>87498078
Did Alpharius maybe dying really change anything though? Didn't seem to have much of any impact on the continuing story arcs.
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>>87497977
Going by the "AL are secret loyalists" conspiracy theory: It allowed the AL to give Horus plans of the Solar system defences at the same time they made Dorn aware of its weaknesses in time to fix them. Also Omegon set up to die his brother Alpharius, who had became too good at being a traitor, and he got the excuse to retire most of his legion from the war, which wasn't part of the Siege except by stray elements.
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>>87495440
Universal Guard from Makers cult
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Thoughts on using a land speeder tempest as a normal land speeder?
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>>87498138
It's technically anachronic, since all the 40k land speeder patterns were developed post-Heresy. Only the Proteus, Javelin, etc are legit for 30k.
The Tempest is also canonically a M38+ vehicle.
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>>87498165
Thats far worse than I thought I really dont want to use the "shoot me" land speeder. Thanks
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>>87498210
well, they could always drop a new pattern with the Mk VIs.
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>>87498165
>all the 40k land speeder patterns were developed post-Heresy
2e speedes are all over 30k art and there's even 3e ones.
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>>87498241
Maybe they'll release the 'flying couch with turbines strapped to the back and an armoured coffee table bolted in front of the occupants' pattern speeder for Mk VI
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>>87498272
1.We've talked about this before: The Visions art has been mostly retconned and usually doesn't matter except for stuff not covered in later books.
2.the 2e LS is in a gray zone, but the 3e design is not, it's explicitly 40k going by the IA books later.
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>>87498272
I'm tired of people using what amounts to concept art as concrete evidence of anything
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>>87497485
look at the heavy type, it specifies rerolls against weapons with the blast and template rules

the power is not a weapon, nor a psychic weapon (psychic weapons follow the rules for standard weapons, psychic powers do not)

thus, because it is not a weapon, it does not trigger heavy rerolls
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>>87491887
I imagine they were thinking 'hey, people have complained for YEARS about not having upscaled firstborn, why don't we make a few models like that for them?' But little did they know you retards are just autists who like to complain about everything and be satisfied by nothing.
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>>87498344
wow that's a lotta words
too bad i ain't reading em
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>>87498495
troonscalers are a fucking meme, and not an excuse for anything. Stick to the scale we have and stop being shits.
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>>87498448
technically correct but this is the type of thing I know would make me pack up my models and never game with you again
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>>87498505
Demonstrably false with the success of primaris; the reality is dumpy little marinelets look dated as fuck compared to literally any other modern ttg and needed rescaling to make them palatable to a modern audience. I have appreciation for mk iii and run them just because the segmented legs are cool, but if they were more normally proportioned 9/10 players would run those instead in a heartbeat.
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>>87498798
Primaris sold because they were pushed hard in both marketing and rules, not because proportions are what people care most about in models.
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>>87498383
I'm tired of people using what amounts to filler text as concrete evidence of anything.
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>>87498814
They care about the appearance of the model, and proportions are inarguably an element of that. Firstborn look like they got squished down to save money on sprues, while primaris look like an actual person in armor scaled down. The former is infinitely more appealing to the average person than the latter, unless you're a retard fixated on nostalgia.
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>>87498814
Say what you will about aesthetics, but you're delusioal if you think the better proportions of primaris weren't a big selling point even compared to the better made old marines.
GW do not have multiplied several times their previous sustained sales since 2016 for nothing.
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>>87498860
You don't understand the though process between art or text, nevermind that not being filler text, but deliberate lore in books explicitly about vehicles and machines.
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>>87497768
>>87497905
guys everybody knows blast templates are a myth and automatically scatter 36D6" anyway because they're all AP6
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>>87498901
Yup, I remember people being very excited at the first leaks even here on hhg. I fucking hate the long bolters though, only thing that kept me from buying a squad. The helmet being close to mk IV was a very nice touch
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Remember
>if it's old, it's outdated and not canon
>if it's new, it's cringe nu-canon and not canon
>canon = thing I like
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>>87498344
Vanilla land speeders were a FA choice in betrayal you noob.
>inb4 that was the proteus
They didn't announce the proteus until more than six years later, they clearly expected players to use the plastic kit (with some converting). GW retcon things left right and centre, this time around they've decided to make the 40k land speeder haram because they have a resin HH-specific version out, last edition the plastic one was legit. I'm cetrainly not throwing out my land speeder conversions just because the company has decided to change the lore in order to boost sales.
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>>87498963
Yes.
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>>87498110
Not particularly and if you asked the AL i'm sure they'd tell you alpharius (omegon) dying was all part of the plan. the alpharius book if you beleive it tell us that it was omegon that led the legion publically and him who died at pluto most likely. The omegon we meet in legion and becomes alpharius after preatorian is the original alpharius but it could also all be bullshit, though that novel is the least bullshit the al have ever been. Alpharius is meant to then be killed by bobby later on but that maybe didn't happen. From the onset Alpharius built a legion that could function without him.
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>>87498901
GW have pulled their sales by pulling in casuals, who don't really care about anything but the first thing they're shown - and they were shown primaris front and centre. You're assuming a conclusion that at best correlates with the data, nothing conclusive.

but yes, dumpy small models are just instant fails. That's why we got nu-squats now too.
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>>87498935
>implying there's a difference
It's literally called "fluff" because it's to stuff the pages between rules and pictures of cool space mans for you to buy.
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>>87498505
No, manlets must be trooned
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>>87498963
I hate many things that are "canon" (like Ferrus being canonically retarded), but I don't say they're not canon. I just stop giving a fuck about that part of the setting.
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>>87498982
>From the onset Alpharius built a legion that could function without him

the greatest lie of all

10,000 years later they were still coping hard at Vraks

>d-daddy made u strong!
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>>87498978
>they clearly expected players to use the plastic kit
You confuse FW/GW decisions to sell you stuff with the actual content of the lore and "how things were supposed to be" in universe. The 40k landspeeder was haram in 30k years before Betrayal, they just handwaved it like many other units with no models until they got a proper kit ready.
>I'm cetrainly not throwing out my land speeder conversions
Ah, finally we get to the real issue. Your insecurity about being called out about you innacurate minis.
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>>87498985
You are the one assuming fact that don't correlate with reality. Old marinefags were the first in line to buy primaris, and there's plenty of zoomer hipsters collecting minis made before they were born.
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>>87499042
most shit has always been prefaced as being a record subject to bias and its only really BL that is specific enough to challenge that, but who the fuck gives a damn about BL.
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>>87499064
you won't be so smug when they reveal that all of the primarchs were alpharius
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I have painted 20 Mk4 tactical and 10 Mk3 plasma TSS (and special units). I have remaining 20 Mk3,20 Mk4 and 40 mk6 coming in. I want to add more tacticals, despoilers, other TSS, HSS, reco sniper etc. Should I try to bring more armor diversity by making more tacticals and more plasma (even though they seems lackluster this edition) or stick to one squad = one armor mk ?
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>>87499110
The Black Books also have stupid shit, as do the 40k codexes.
Remember Crusade (the black book)
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I could take SoS to this 500pt ZM event

but my friend who WAACs hard mentioned he may play custodes, and I wanna troll him rather than be forced loyalist and be on the same side
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>>87498985
>GW have pulled their sales by pulling in casuals, who don't really care about anything but the first thing they're shown
Horseshit, there was a period roughly between 2010 and 2015 where people looking for a ttg to get into went with Warmahordes over 40k because in addition to better rules, the sculpts were cheaper and better looking/proportioned
>That's why we got nu-squats now too
They're not selling well from what I can tell, but again they're better proportioned and look like a miniature scaled person, not like someone pressed down on a figure of one
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Are there any good Horus Heresy podcasts?
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>>87497768
>>87497905
It's not true artillery, just a missile tank.
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>>87499068
>Ah, finally we get to the real issue. Your insecurity about being called out about you innacurate minis.
Except he wasn't the one you replied to originally. And I don't have any speeders nor intentions of getting any.
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>>87499386
You know, I'm not really oppossed to use some 40k minis like those landspeeders. I was just saying that they're not accurate for the Heresy.
But if somebody said he's using a Scouring+ era army, it would be okay for me. I see this game as "historical 40k", and stuff like a Crimson Fists IF army with Alexis Polux as HQ are fine in my book unless it's a narrative event or something.
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>>87499358
you're retarded
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>>87499333
the aussie ones are inoffensive
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>>87499333
I liked the one that had lillegend, can't remember the name it's been years
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>>87499498
ironic
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>>87498344
Yes, we have been there before. Conclusion then (and now) was:
a) FW can't keep their shit consistent.
b) you are a faggot for pretending otherwise.
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>>87499333
checked
eye of horus is alright
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>>87499734
cope and seethe and mald
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Speaking of speeders, does anyone remember if the plastic speeder ever had a WD article similar to what the land raider got? I so have memories of a WD style page with the blue Ultramarine plastic speeder and green text identifying it as Mars pattern and all that. For some reason I have memories of it both being said to be post-Heresy in that one as well and identifying it as an M30 pattern (which would make it 30k era).

I've been browsing through white dwarfs of the era, but so far haven't come across anything like that. Did find out the Devastator plasma cannon is the Mk23 "Holocaust" pattern.
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>>87499734
>meaningless background filler in a black book
Like clockwork. Always grasping at straws and missing the explicit intent.
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>>87499915
sorry, voices in your head aren't a valid source.
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>>87499915
>visual examples do not count
Great, that negates all the bitching about something "not fitting the aesthetics of the setting."
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When the fuck is the Exodus model dropping
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>>87499952
>>87499967
There are good visual examples and bad ones, you are clearly unable to see the obvious difference.
Visions' art or blurry background filler minis are not the same as explicit quotes and images front and center.
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I am extremely confused by the inclusion of the first two bullet points together. Rules as written it would seem to me that, first, models in the area suffer one hit each, then their units suffer a number of hits equal to the number of models in the area. This can’t be intentional, right?
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>>87500045
>explicit quotes and images front and center
Until, of course, those become retconned out of existence as well and you ever relying on them will be laughed at.
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>>87500048
I think the first point is more about stating that the hits are resolved with the listed profile, while the second bullet explains how to count hits. could be wrong though.
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>>87500048
I think it just tells you that you can’t snipe stuff with it and you can allocate wounds like normal.
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>>87500048
Yeah, that's poorly written.
It does say:
this many models suffer a Hit.
Each unit with models in the area receive a Hit per model Hit.
I would read that RAW as doubling the number of hits, but I don't think that's the intention. I think the first bullet is just meant to clarify which models under the beam should be counted, and the second bullet is meant to say you allocate the hits through the unit rather than being able to use the beam to pick off characters in a unit. Look for a FAQ, and talk to your opponent about how they'd prefer to play it, but I wouldn't play that under the doubling interpretation.
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>>87500048
it's reiterating how wound allocation works, with the specific differences for how a Heavy Beam weapon affects that

eg with Line of Sight weapons you would count up the Hits and roll To Wound that many times, applying the Wound Pool to that unit only; with Blast weapons you would count up the number of models in the unit touched by the template and that is the number of Hits resolved (but unlike line of sight shooting any Wounds can be allocated to models not visible to the firer, as long as they're in the same unit)

with Heavy Beam you count up the number of *models* in each unit touched by the Heavy Beam and then the *unit* suffers that many Hits, resolves Wounds, etc as normal

model and unit are not always interchangeable (they are when they're single-model units, tho), and here they're representing different concepts in gameplay

it's down to the hit allocation/wound allocation systems being separate, so for the most part the controlling player is deciding who takes the Wounds and rolls the saves - does away with the need for endless Look Out, Sir! rolls (and that terrible rule in its entirety, meaning there's no tanking hits on the 2+ squad leader's armour then rolling to Look Out, Sir when he dies predictably) but also does away with targets necessarily taking Wounds by being under the template or beam directly

but the effect is that you have this kind of Schrodinger's Targets thing going on where a unit suffers (X) hits but where they actually land is unknowable, so models that wouldn't logically be hit first in a "real" situation involving rocket-powered bullets from a genetically augmented power armoured soldier's gun can get hit by all of the successful Wounds
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>>87499892
Afaik the 40k land speeder is the only vehicle where it goes out 9f it's way to say that it was not a HH design and came after. But then again there's old heresy artwork with very similar designs. With a rudder in the middle top
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If you Nocturneans let the thread die without a new I will piss and cum and shit
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>>87501622
Nurgle wants to know your location
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>>87501622
>Brother Da'Jamal, get the promethium.
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Hey guys, I need some advice.

What can I use for DA chapter iconography for my terminators, nothing on the FW transfer sheet fits well. I had to cut that transfer on the left shoulder to get it to fit.

Any suggestions?
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>>87501806
nothing fits the cata pauldrons or tilt shields? strange. Maybe 3d printed pads?
Also remember that red checker patterns and gothic numeral "1" were typical in 30k DA
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>>87501896
Red and Black Hazard Stripes.
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I'm going to make 2 squads of breachers for Blood Angels

Based or not?
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>>87501973
I think it'd be appropriate if they got a variant like the UM do
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>>87501973
Make one for ZM games and for fun, but 2 is too much for their price and lack of melee in BA, IMO
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>>87502068
Maybe as a command squad? they can take boarding shields now with access to power weapons.
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>>87502102
>>87501973
those new ofanim exemplary guys are basically BA breachers
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>>87502151
Bleachers with jumppacks? Have you been huffing Mortys Armpits?
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>>87502151
I am also going to make some ofanim as my HQ retinue, and some good melee elites to do the work the breachers can't do on their own
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>>87502362
to be fair, this is the legion who put jump packs on dreadnoughts.
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>>87502362
He has clearly been chuffing that Reefer and Morty strain
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>>87502362
Didn't Mortarion crash a ship into a hive spire to breach its defences? Clearly he's versed in aerial breaching.
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>>87502428
Morty did 9/11
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>>87502563
Yeah, (((Morty))) did.
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>>87502640
Rick and Mortarion
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>>87502653
Richter and Mortarion, a sitcom about the odd-couple friendship between a stinky primarch and an piss-flavored equerry.
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>>87501896
maybe just use veteran symbols like checker marks. Or shave the middle stud thats all I can think of
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>>87502663
"oooh jeez richter, I really hate being, y'know, a closeted psyker and all.."

"*burp* Morty, you don't have to listen to your dad's beauracratic laws and shit, * buurp* you can just fuck shit up y'know"

"Awww jeez, I dunno.."



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