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Genie edition

This is the thread for all things Elf, including but not limited to worldbuilding, wargaming, RPG's, TCG's, depictions in all types of media and elf-related funposting.

This is not an art thread. Nice new arts are acceptable, but picture spam will be seen as flooding and reported.

Thread question: Should genies, peris, xians and other elf-like creatures from non-european mythologies be seen as a foreign variety of elf or as its own, separate type of creature?

Old thread: >>87396760
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>>87476574
>elf thread
>starting with a genie
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>>87476700
What does the chronic masturbator care about elves?
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>>87476700
Have you read the question?
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>>87476574
No, I would think Elves, pixies and genies are extremely different groups. I have no idea what those other groups you named even are.

Elves I frame as an eternal court. The Elf Capital is in a state of near stasis when compared to the outside world, revolving around their Monarch and the royal court. An individuals worth is based on their role in said court.

Genies are much more individualistic and dynamic creatures. They're change incarnate. Able to alter themselves, others, and their surroundings on a whim. If a genie didn't choose to have pointy ears or be pretty to look at, then that genie has virtually nothing in common with an Elf.
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>>87476574
>Should genies, peris, xians and other elf-like creatures from non-european mythologies be seen as a foreign variety of elf or as its own, separate type of creature?
Nah, Xians are just immortal humans who got that way through applied Chinese philosophy/magic/alchemy, right? It'd be weird to make that a *race* rather than a state of being.
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Hard at work, as always.
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>>87477602
>Nah, Xians are just immortal humans who got that way through applied Chinese philosophy/magic/alchemy, right?
Half-right. Xians are, in fact, elf-like creatures who live on clouds and mountaintops. Humans, however, can become xians by meditating and drinking lingzhi pills that purge their qi of imperfections. Before "xian" was borrowed as a word into English, the term was usually translated as "faerie" or "genie".
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>>87476574
>Should genies, peris, xians and other elf-like creatures from non-european mythologies be seen as a foreign variety of elf or as its own, separate type of creature?
No. HELL NO. Elf is very specific. If you call other stuff Elf or Fey you are going into Victorian territory of BSing history and religion.

>>87478450
Victorians my dude. Victorians. They are not Fey like at all and would be closer to Angels than Fey. Especially the idea that people become Angels in Heaven.
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>>87478526
That idea is heresy even in Christianity and it doesn't apply to taoism anyway. You need to purge your qi with alchemy, then you die, then you are reborn as a xian if you did everything right.
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>>87477558
>I have no idea what those other groups you named even are.
Peris are extremely beautiful and eternally youthful magic people living on tops of inaccessible mountains in Persian mythology.
Xians, on the other hands, are extremely beautiful and eternally youthful magic people living on tops of inaccessible mountains in Chinese mythology.
If you think that these two concepts are identical, then you are correct. The only question is whether it spread across the globe from one source, such as Ancient China, or it's so ancient that it was already a part of human folklore when our ancestors lived in Africa.

>>87478526
>If you call other stuff Elf or Fey you are going into Victorian territory of BSing history and religion.
You go into the comparative mythology territory. Which is the only reasonable way for a modern person to look at mythology anyway. And, to further BTFO you, it's widely accepted in MODERN linguistics that either the word "xian" is derived from "jinn", or vice versa.
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>>87476574
>Thread question: Should genies, peris, xians and other elf-like creatures from non-european mythologies be seen as a foreign variety of elf or as its own, separate type of creature?

Djinn have very little in common with elves. Djinn are mysterious, but that's about it. They don't maybe live in another world. They aren't supernaturally beautiful. They don't steal children. They aren't great craftsmen.

They're supernatural and magical; that's about the only connection.
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>>87479551
>They aren't supernaturally beautiful.
They absolutely can be.
>They don't steal children.
Now I know you're talking out of you're ass. Getting kidnapped by a jinn is what they scare the kids with in the Middle East.
>They aren't great craftsmen.
This is even worse. "Jinn" is used as a compliment, although archaic nowadays, to skilful craftsmen.
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>>87476574
Can we Talk about Drow?
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>>87479787
I see no reason why not.
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>>87480031
Are drow cities horrible because they're run by women, or did women start running drow cities because they're horrible?
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>>87480235
The answer to that question is not all drow cities are run by women
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If elves were real you would offer yourself as a slave right?
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>>87480309
No, of course not because I'm not an elf
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>>87480344

Is it the type of Elf who had sex with their slaves?
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BTW, how evil are Drow in general? Are we talking Tolkien-level "evil"? Disney Witch-level? Drukhari-level? Are they forced to be Evil due to some outside force, ie, domination by a Dark Lord?
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>>87479551
>They don't maybe live in another world.
I invite you to educate yourself.
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>>87480390
In general they're not evil at all, they're neutral. Their government/church is very, very evil, though.
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>>87480499
>In general they're not evil at all, they're neutral.

In what setting/edition is this true?
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>>87480309
>if
>he doesn't know
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>>87480299
Isn't the drow wizard city pretty decent, though? Like, aside from the slavery, it's a pretty typical wizard city, no great noble houses constantly scheming etc.
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>>87476700
Seethe
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>>87476574
>picture spam will be seen as flooding and reported
You think reporting will help you?
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>>87480031
>no folds or flow on any of her clothings

almost lost my boner to this shit art
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>>87481607
Even more interesting that you can apparently announce reports now.
>>87480299
Well of course, I'm playing a Vhaeraun worshiping drow from a noble house of merchants.
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At what point does an elf stop being an Elf?
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>>87480546
Forgotten Realms/Greyhawk. Most of the drow commoners (and there is A LOT of drow commoners) just want to keep on keeping on. It just so happens that most narratives focus on nobles and clergy of Lolth and they *are* evil.
There is a reason why Eilistraee is so efficient in swaying the drow to her cause.
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>>87482867
If it's an elf that checks most of the important elf boxes, but gets bark-like skin as they grow older and turn into a tree on death, then it's still an elf with some dumb twist. If it's a plant-creature that shares most characteristics with a plant, than it's a plant-creature, regardless of how many pointy ears you slap on them.
>but nature!
Elves aren't the only fantasy race in some form connected to nature and they don't necessarily need to to function as elves.
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>>87482867
When it's not pretty, not human and without elf ears. Dryads are not elves, they're a lesser servant race designed to serve them. Revenants are elves.
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>When it's not pretty
The anime brainrot.
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>>87482981
The OCD
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>>87476700
According to /tg/, elves are defined solely by their pointy ears.
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>>87483214
devils have pointy ears. they are not elves
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>>87481520
Paladins have the cutest elves
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>>87482962
Yes the Icelandic scalds were famous anime enthusiasts and elves where in fact invented in 9th century Japan where their ancient wise anime producers decided elves have to be hot. All subsequent depictions of elves was inspired by this until 2002 when morrowind was released.
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>>87476574
>Should genies, peris, xians and other elf-like creatures from non-european mythologies be seen as a foreign variety of elf or as its own, separate type of creature?

This is how I run my games.
PCs: Humans
Creepy Evil Critters: Goblins/Orks
Ethereal Chaotic Good Critters: Elfs

Gives the fairytale feel.
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>>87484021
Midwit argument. If you want to write and design historically and mythologically accurate elves, then do so, tell us about it, about their strengths, weaknesses, mechanics, attributes and unique roleplaying rules and fill this stupid thread with something on-topic for once.
However, the concept of "elves" in the context of high fantasy has moved on from that to varying degrees, sometimes with a stronger basis in mythology, sometimes not at all. If someone wants to make elves that don't adhere to your personal taste, they have every right to do so, and you can have entirely functional elves despite not looking like bogstandard attractive humans.
Or where are the historically accurate brown elves just like from your cropped porn doujin? I know it's based on Lodoss, you chronic masturbator
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>writes a whole paragraph without even addressing the point
>calls others midwits
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This greatly bothers the historically accurate anime elf autist.
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>unable to see when someone is making fun of his retarded argument
>calls others midwits
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>>87484220
Better quality.
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>>87484111
>three types of creatures in the world
Big yawn.
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>>87476574
Japanese artists and authors doing a magical fantasy story and setting in which they try not to make elves be some mediocre boring and unimportant seemingly all-female race of pointy eared cunts? Impossible, 99.9% challenge failure.

Elves in Japanese made fantasy anime settings being competent, respectful, honorable, powerful, intelligent and mighty as Western Elves is as super rare as a Blue Moon.
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>has no response
>has to fall back on spamming
>calls others midwits
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>>87484348
Call the cops.
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>>87484297
>competent, respectful, honorable, powerful, intelligent and mighty as Western Elves
Lol. Lmao even. Try
>insufferable, arrogant, petty, useless, cringeworthy and obnoxious as Western Elves
And now canon trannies in 5e.
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>>87485039
elves have been canon trannies since 1st edition
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>>87485057
Elves were gendered, nobody forced them to worship the tranny god. Now they're hard forced into being trannies.
>welcome to wotc
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>>87485168
And Corellon wasn't even tranny per se. The whole idea of him having both male and female aspect came from the fact that he was both a god of war (masculine aspect) and magic (feminine aspect). First, those two aspects were divided between him and Araushnee/Lolth, but when Lolth had a spergout, he took the magic portfolio away from her and made it his own, because you can't trust a female with anything.
And then 5e turned him (and by proxy every single elf in the multiverse) into a tranny.
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>>87483398
in my setting they are evil elves/fae
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>>87488719
>evil
>elf

You said the same thing twice.
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>>87488737
Only western elves.
Japanese elves are friendly.
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>Japanese elves are friendly
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>>87484131
>If someone wants to make elves that don't adhere to your personal taste, they have every right to do so...
That's rich coming from you.
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>>87489288
I post the largest variety of elves in any of these threads.
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>>87489468
>the same images every single time
>almost exclusively Mer, which is from a fucking video game
>or the same garbage quality/resolution warhammer codex pics you've shat out 500 times

Yea you're a real font of originality.
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>>87489468
That helps nothing with you also being one of the biggest sperg shitposter on this website who goes into fits because someone posted something you dislike.
Can't you see your hypocrisy? Or should I post a picture from baalfaggot so you can seethe in the next post without actually replying to it or just spam your picture folder so people would be unable to post any more pictures in the thread that you wouldn't like seeing?
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>>87489574
>one of
At this point I have no doubt that he is the biggest sperg on 4chan at the moment. Carnac/Ben tier.
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>>87489574
OP brought this upon himself.
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>>87489573
I have folders for elves from various settings and a general folder with anything from anime elves to creepy fey assholes. What kinds of elves are you posting?
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>>87489593
>no you see I HAVE to spray my diarrhea everywhere because things that I don't like make me throw a tantrum

jannies protect noldorfag btw. This is the sort of things they implicitly encourage. Post a pic of that one dark elf OC though and you get an instant 30 day ban. This post will probably be deleted since it names the fag
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>>87489762
>jannies protect noldorfag btw
They protect a thread that announces reporting and starts with a borderline nsfw pic. They don't give a shit. Elf threads are here to rot as shitposting central.
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https://pastebin.com/unEMVgvT

353 image hashes of noldorspam for filtering
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>>87489977
What a chad.
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>>87483402
Go back to palg you dumb elf, the GEA will never have my semen
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>>87476574
Not all fey are elves nor are things like genies elves. Genies are spiritual or demonic creatures.
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>>87482962
Literally all actual elf myths described them as beautiful, noldorfag. You're obsessed with an edgelord's idea of elves.
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>>87479787
>>87480031
>>87480235
I like the idea that almost all Half-drow on the surface are the result of Drow men who fell deeply, madly in love with the first woman they met who didn't treat them like absolute trash. these Drow men very quickly adopt whatever alignment, attitudes, and beliefs they pick up from their wife.
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god why didnt they do more skye skins
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>>87493707
furfags are better paypigs than elfthusiasts
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>>87494468
Shame.
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>filter Noldorfag
>thread becomes peaceful

What a change a few filters make.
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>>87492023
My point again: elves in fantasy settings can be based on myths, sometimes they are not and still work as elves. You don't need to have them humanly attractive for them to function as elves as long as most of the other core traits are intact. If you want your elves to be as historically accurate, go for it, tell me about it. But they don't need to be all like that.
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You only love porn.
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>>87495454
Yes i do.
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>>87495352
This picture got me thinking. You can easily tell the hapa because her ears are twice shorter than those of a real elf. But what if the ears of the regular elves were simply tapered to a point, like in some bad illustrations? Then there would be absolutely no way to distinguish between elves, halfelves and humans. Long ears on elves aren't just aesthetic, they are a necessity as long as halfelves exist.
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>>87496263
>like in some bad illustrations?
What do you mean?
Half-elves as a player race were a mistake anyway. That's my helpful comment.
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This trailer was great for a shit game.
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>>87496263
Thinking about it again: depends on the setting, but lot of elves don't just distinguish themselves visually from humans by their pointy ears, they also have very characteristic facial features or other unique features like unusual eye colors.
I know these elves only existed in some brief period of warhammer elf art, the point still stands
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>>87496289
True.
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>>87496355
I hate rat niggers more than I hate noldorfag.
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>>87496355
Go back.
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>>87496277
>Half-elves as a player race were a mistake anyway
Explain.

>>87496321
If elves looked so different from humans, halfelves would not exist in the first place.

>>87496355
>vidya secondary
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>>87496289
All MMO's are shitty. No exception.
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>>87496437
Yeah, but the WAR take on Warhammer elves was unbelievably based. In fact, it was better than the source material (which is not a very high bar to reach btw)
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>>87481520
I know I will receive hate, but the Paladins universe is kind of interesting for an RPG. If LoL received one, Paladins might as well.
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>>87496404
>Explain
Oh boy.
There is first the mechanical aspect. What is the build-niche for your standard half-elves? They have some of the flexibility of the humans, some minor advantages of the elves. Does this sound exciting? Do we need that? Sure, if we add a ton of races, then might as well add them, but if it's just for the sake of having a ton of variety, then might as well also add half-dwarves, half-gnomes, half-halflings and other half-races whose other half is not human. Or add some kind of ancestry-system that allows you to build your own mongrel. At least half-orcs have the excuse that in ye olden D&D the orcs were always evil and therefore not playable, and there was no other option for a brutish + 2 Strength race. But the moment you introduce playable orcs as a race, there is no need for any half-orcs anymore, and the same applies to half-elves. Likewise, the only times I find half-elves really acceptable is if regular elves are not playable.
Pretty sure some pathfinder half-elves had additional charisma as their strength. At least here is a niche, the thematic basis for builds.

Lore-wise, there is also not really an inherent reason why they exist. It's just a sacred D&D cow and ultimately entirely arbitrary. Someone in Gygax' group wanted to play a half-elf because Tolkien, but Tolkiens half-elves were completely different. They existed because both elves and humans were made by Eru. D&D elves and humans have completely different origin stories and deities being responsible for their creation. There is no inherent reason for why they should exist. You can argue, because they are biologically so similar, but that's also entirely arbitrary. Elves are an inherently magical race with an extended lifespan, there could also be magical reasons for that kind of offspring should not be possible. They could even have a completely different biology. Yes, you can introduce reasons for why half-elves could exist based on some lore.
Fuck, 1/2.
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>>87496593
For the same reasons, I could invent all kinds of lore that makes it impossible for that offspring to emerge. But instead, they are just kept around as a sacred D&D cow that just has to be there because Tolkien but not really D&D. And if you have them around, then you might as well also introduce every possible half-anything race, because unless you give a very specific reason only for that specific pairing, you opened up the box of Pandora and logically anything should possible (within some reason of biological compatibility). Why are there hardly any half-dwarves anywhere? Why shouldn't that pairing be able to produce offspring? No, don't give me that dwarves keep to themselves, that is entirely dependent on the setting, of which there are more than enough where dwarves and humans live alongside somewhere, and of course they would fuck at some point.

And lastly, it sends just an awful message, seeing half-elves being so prominent. Even if a game makes a point of half-elves being rare, being explicitly stated as a player race ingrains elves as this fictional race that has lots of sex with something not-elf, which never does them any favor, never makes them more interesting, compelling or great. And depending on the setting contradicts that elves often take a lot of pride in them being a racially superior people.
Someone will bring up myths again. I can just say again that if you play historically accurate myth settings, then go for it. But lots of high fantasy settings operate on different logic, themes and premises.
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>>87496593
That was a lot of rambling for not a lot of legitimate argumants.
>What is the build-niche for your standard half-elves?
This question is not a question for anyone with game experience. Their niche is sorceresses and bards, basically the classes that prioritise charisma above all else. Does it make sense? Yes it does. Elves are more beautiful than half-elves, but they tend to be very arrogant and haughty, which is how their charisma score suffers.
>then might as well also add half-dwarves, half-gnomes, half-halflings and other half-races whose other half is not human.
They will not work for one reason or another. Dwarves are ugly to humans, which severely diminishes the chances of intercourse (and they might not have genders either). Small races are like children to humans, I need not explain further. Halfelves exist because elves are pretty, and halforcs exist because orcs rape.
>>87496626
>instead, they are just kept around as a sacred D&D cow that just has to be there because Tolkien but not really D&D.
If it was put there by Gygax, it has everything to do with D&D. Anyway, Gygax used the same explanation as above. Halfelves and halforcs are the only hybrids that make sense.
>And lastly, it sends just an awful message, seeing half-elves being so prominent. Even if a game makes a point of half-elves being rare, being explicitly stated as a player race ingrains elves as this fictional race that has lots of sex with something not-elf, which never does them any favor, never makes them more interesting, compelling or great.
This is not an awful message unless you're a disgusting racist, in which case you deserve to be as mad and seething as possible.
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>>87496675
So this is how this thread will go down.
>Their niche is sorceresses and bards, basically the classes that prioritise charisma above all else
This is a 5e thing, they didn't have it in any edition and this does not apply to every system, setting and game. It's also a strange D&D-reasoning and with it's awful idea of making charisma a stat for spellcasters. But that's a rant for something entirely else.
>but they tend to be very arrogant and haughty, which is how their charisma score suffers
Charisma =/= niceness.
>Dwarves are ugly to humans
That's like saying ugly people never have sex. They do, plentiful. A hole is a hole regardless. It's also a very humancentric view of arguing. Maybe some dwarf guy wants to fuck some humans, maybe some dwarf lass finds tall people attractive. Some human will be into dwarves, or not even care about looks anyway. Dwarves tend to be hardworking, wealthy and with a lot of practical skills. The rich dwarf merchant that settles in some human town and gets himself a human wife to marry into human nobility sounds like a fun premise for a character, but you can't think of something like this because it's not a sacred D&D cow.
And again
>Halfelves exist because elves are pretty
Like the elves have no say in this matter. What if elves find humans disgusting? They call them "birr" in FR lore. That would cut down the number of pairings dramatically.
>unless you're a disgusting racist
This is about inherent logic. A race that takes great pride in their ancestry but race-mixes a lot doesn't make much sense. Even the Direnni Altmer kept their own bloodlines in check while taking human concubines.
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>>87489977
Do you update this as he posts new ones?
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>>87496374
What rats did to you?
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A rivalry as old as time itself.
Pick your side.
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>>87497453
Okay, wood elves.
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my "half"-elves are full blood elves born of elven women who had sex with human men who have subtle signs that make it clear their mom fucked a human
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>>87496829
I'll post a new one once in a while when I've collected more hashes. If you have 4chanX it's also very easy to navigate threads highlighting posts with J and K and pressing 5 to filter a hash
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Meanwhile, in an actual setting that exist, Bretons.
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>>87497453
dark elf wife with high elf concubine (dark elf-fu keeps her obedient)
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>>87497453
bloodfu
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>>87476574
What is your opinion of elven hybrids? And what races can and can’t your elves interbreed with, and why?
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>>87476700
>>87483214
Might as well just rename this place /peg/ - pointy ears general
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>>87500851
Elves can interbreed with humans and orcs. Theoretically also with dwarves, but we don't talk about that.

>>87501029
It's not about the ears man, it's about extremely similar role in the folklore.
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>>87495300
They also don't need to all be permanently angry triangular old men yet you spam that in every thread related to elves because you can't handle anything else.
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>>87500851
>What is your opinion of elven hybrids?
Unnecessary. That this is already a question is bad enough.
>And what races can and can’t your elves interbreed with, and why?
Only with themselves. Because their god said so and I have no idea what this is supposed to add.
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>>87501395
You really need to realize how anonymous posting works.
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>>87485168
>>87485168
“Nobody forced them to worship Correllon” he’s literally the head of the elvish pantheon, and the 1e fluff you replied to described him as the epitome of elvenkind
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>>87501475
Okay fucking smartass, who is the head of the human pantheon so I know who I must worship?
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>>87501448
Posting has nothing to do with you spamming every thread out of spite.
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>>87476574
This chart should answer the question.
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>>87501512
Humans don’t have a patron god Gygax knows why, but you can’t be like “well actually elves didn’t have to worship Corellon” when Corellon is the objective creator of the elven race. Yeah an elf can decide he wants to worship St. Cuthbert of Pelor but the vast majority of elves are going to worship him, and nothing in 5e even forces you to worship him.
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>>87476574
If elves are indeed related to beings like genies or xians, why might they have diverged so much? And how aware are they of their kinships to other races?
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>>87496593
Pathfinder 2e made half-elves and their like an sub-ancestry thing, which works well imo since rather than singling out elf-human hybrids elves are just a race capable of reproducing with a bunch of others.
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>>87501594
Eru is the objective creator of the human race, so humans MUST worship him because reasons!
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>>87501595
Depends entirely on the setting.
I'm not aware of a single system or setting in which they are related.
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>>87501595
They didn't diverge very much. They're immortal, extremely beautiful, spend their days frolicking in the wild, live in seclusion, can use magic at will. The only principal difference is that people can become xians (and ears, elf ears are usually given to yaos in Chinese fantasy). Then again, I've heard every now and then that elves were maybe considered to be ancestral spirits by some Indo-European tribes, I can't verify this, but there's that.
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>>87501690
Well, if you had to come up with something to explain elves and Djinn being related, what would you do? My best idea is that Djinn are elves that merged with fire spirits somehow.
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>>87501690
I'm not aware of a single setting where elves and xians exist at the same time. Which is just as well because they fill the same niche.
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>>87501750
These relationships are better explained through perspective. Like, in the Middle East they believe that this magical creature is a spirit of fire created as a test run for humans, whereas in Europe they believe it to be a maggot who ate the flesh of the world-giant and mutated into a humanoid form from it. But in reality it's the same creature, and the truth is somewhere in between.
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>>87501750
Yeah, something something elemental spirits. Muh elves are originally elemental spirits, and even though I don't have any djinns, some relation could be argued this way.
Honestly, I'm not really certain how much there is to that theory that djinns and elves are in some way related. And even if that were the case, nothing forces one to make them in some way related in your own games. Thematically, they are worlds apart.
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>>87501595
One possibility is that Elves as a species that epigenetically adapt to where they are living over a single life time. Words such as Elf, Drow, Genie, Peris, Xian, etc. would be the local term for this adaptable species.

Stick an "Elf" in the magical radiation heavy underdark realms for a few centuries and you get them turning Dark Brown/Black and their hair bleaches to silver. Stick an Drow in the Northern Temperate Forests and their skin becomes milky white.

Djinn are Elves adapted to the Sandy Deserts of the middle east. Peris and Xian are Elves adapted for the mountains.
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>>87501833
I think that's more or less what the elves of Forgotten Realms already are, only with much better names.
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>>87501684
Yeah in real-world religions people usually believe that deity/deities they worship created them. If the elves objectively know the were created Corellon, most would worship him.
Sorry Gygax didn’t consider 21st century culture war shit when he made a shape-shifting god.
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Do you have suggestions for Water, Ice and Earth?
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>>87501933
Earth is gnomes.
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>>87495377
HUGE Charisma
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>>87501933
Water are merfolk
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>>87501999
Maybe Sahuagin are deep water elves while Aquatic Elves are shallow water elves. Explains one of the 1e/2e D&D sahuagin/aquatic elves interactions.
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>>87495377
Dragon's crown elf cosplaying sorceress?
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>>87501971
>>87501999
They're extremely different from elves
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>>87502072
And so is anything else in that list.
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>>87502113
Everything else is literally a human.
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>>87502072
It looks like a homebrew setting so they can just make them elves in their setting.
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>>87502160
At this point, gnomes are closer related to the original elves than your standard high fantasy elves.
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>>87502178
Gnomes aren't folkloric
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>>87476574
What element or elements do you typically attribute to Elves? I personally think of them as being Wind-aligned, given their slender frames and association with archery.
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>>87502694
And I never said folklore either.
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>>87502695
Wind, fire, water.
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>>87502166
SHUT THE FUCK UP
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>>87503274
DRUCHII
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>>87503308
If she looked like that it would make her incessant teasing of Kruber a little more tolerable.
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>>87503344
Yes.
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>>87502745
What? No Earth? With how elves are typically associated with nature, that’s kind of a surprise. Is it some kind of WoW reference, given the picture?
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>>87503274
Some of the art for that rulebook is pretty good, but some are pretty meh, even if okay in quality
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>>87503602
For the BBC (Big Bretonnian Cock).
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>>87482867
Important things:
> longevity
> looks either human and beautiful, small and cute/ ugly-cute, or grotesquely alien
> related to nature
> capable of magic
Semi-important things
> skinny
> pointy ears
> related to humans enough to be able to produce a half-elf
> nimble
> living in the forest
Commonly used traits
> elegant
> trickster
> effeminate males, frail females
> good archers
> keen senses
> wiser than thou
> natural colours in clothes, natural shapes in items
As long as it hits all important things, some semi-important, optionally some of the commonly used, and is called an elf, it's an elf.
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>>87504700
>Important things
>grotesquely alien
>Semi-important things
> pointy ears
Oh no, it's retarded
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>>87503407
Earth is the dwarf element.
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>>87502695
Paracelsus agrees
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>>87504254
>>87503437
>>87503387
>>87503361
>>87503344
>>87503308
Worst elf.
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>>87504700
>longevity
I find this funny because there are lots of fictional elves that break that rule. Gelflings for a well known exemple.
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>>87505060
of all the bullshit in his list this is what you take issue with?
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>>87495420
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>>87504881
Unquestionably true.
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>>87476574
What is the government of your elves like? Are they an empire, a monarchic kingdom, a democracy? And how much power does said government actually have?
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>>87501594
Technically, different subraces of elves have different patrons - sun elves should have Corellon, moon elves should have Sehanine/Angharradh, wood elves have Rilifane... oh, right 5e turns them into sexchanging trannies as well, despite them being lesser gods with defined form. The only elven gods that aren't sexchanging frogs are the Dark Seldarine, because they are unironically such bigots. How does Eilistraee fit into all of this? Shut up and stop asking questions.
Jeremy Crawford is making a "subtle" point here and he takes no survivors
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>>87505619
I love elves!
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>>87503407
It's the same anon as >>87447336
And yes, earth, stone and metals were the dwarfen elements.
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>>87504700
>> good archers
>doesn't mention swordsmanship
>related to humans when they are often not at all
>doesn't mention having an ancient civilization whose heights predates humanity
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>>87506280
What if I told you I have all three for different types of elves? And more? Also, an empire is not a form of government, it's also a monarchy.
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>>87507198
The perspective in this art is so bizarre. My brain cannot accept that the running man on the right is not a giant.
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>>87508111
Horse archer elves are based and I take whatever picture I can get.
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>>87504845
You are. Pointy ears are not a requirement to consider elves elves. Also, learn to fucking read and read the fucking post before you fucking reply.
>>87507209
Learn to read, guys, seriously. Also,
> swordsmanship
Not as iconic as archery.
> ancient civilization
A societal perk rather than an individual one. But fair enough.
>>87505060
Never heard of those.
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>>87509473
>Never heard of those.
you never watched "The Dark Crystal"?
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>>87503405
Human thots stealing elf culture.
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>>87476574
How does aging work for your elves? Do they look young their entire lives, only visibly age in the last portion, or what? And how long do they even live, for that matter.
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>>87513067
I think 300 to 500 years is a reasonable age if you don't want to have tremendously old, experienced and skilled elves solving every problem (without handicapping them in some other weird, contrived way, which is arguably worse). They roughly mature as fast as humans and then remain youthful until their last quarter of lifespan, but one can see that their features get more refined and adult before that, or it could simply be that their experience and wisdom shines through. Or for some elves, their melancholy or worse, their vanity.
Which is in general a pretty strong appeal of elves that I hardly see anyone talk here: the combination of a youthful outer shell while everything else about them just feels old, experienced and knowing.
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>>87509473
Ears are literally the most important thing that makes an elf an elf. In contrast, looking alien has never been a mandatory requirement.
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>>87515519
Her brother is cuter.
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>>87515414
This is an elf.
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>>87515414
>Ears are literally the most important thing that makes an elf an elf
And where did elves having pointed ears come from? And “why” are they pointed in your setting?
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>wake up
>elfs still not real
Why do we come into this world? Just to suffer?
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>>87522616
It comes from ancient Greek art of satyrs adopted by Renaissance artists for elves.
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>>87523065
You can play as one in your traditional games
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>>87523129
But I don't want to play as an elf. I was to sleep with an elf.
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>>87523155
And that's why these threads are so shit.
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>>87523196
says you, but you are free to leave them
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>>87523270
Nah, I actually like elves in the context of traditional games.
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>>87484241
>when they see an orc
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>>87515519
>call me when you grow up and you're as tall as your mom kid
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>>87523313
>he says posting an elf from a video game
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>>87523754
It's from Gwent, right? Don't like the Witcher universe and any media related to it, but that cardgame has some good art.
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>>87523834
Gwent is a videogame.
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>>87523834
Yeah it's part of the elf gwent card deck. The Witcher universe is pretty divisive already with how it's a weird middle ground of gritty realism & high fantasy. The characters are moreso middle of the road rather than good or evil. The people who like the series tend to like it because of those aspects though so you really have to have that same mindset.
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>>87523960
Its success is certainly warranted, but personally, I'm not a fan of any elves that are just the punching bags, regardless of how much they deserve in-universe. It always rubs me off the wrong way, and /tg/'s shitposting and some of the most autistic elf-haters are partly to blame for that. There is probably some very slavic thing that I don't get for being born just a bit more westwards, but it simply doesn't appeal to me.
Yes, I'm aware elves is not all that is to this setting.
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>>87523313
so why are you in these threads if they're so bad? It's like saying you enjoy political debate so therefor you effortpost on twitter. It doesn't make sense
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>>87524006
Well not elves are punching bags in the setting either. The elves that stayed after the conjunction of spheres brought humans & monsters into the world are the ones who fell to living off the land. The dark elves are the ones who left to conquer other worlds & their home world, they took from the unicorns, is a thriving society.
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>>87524071
*not all elves
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>>87524017
To talk about elves in the context of traditional games, to post elf stuff I like and contribute something whenever the opportunity for that arises.
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>>87524173
No one wants to see you dump the same 350 pictures you always dump in every elf thread out of spite of people finding elves attractive.
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>>87513067
They age up to 30 years and then stop ageing forever.
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>>87524196
That's very cool anon, but you asked why I post here, not if others like what I post.
I'm also tired of seeing all kinds of dumb shit in these and any elf thread too anyway, so what's the point of this meta-bitching.
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>>87513067
That's a very tall dwarf
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>>87524466
Elves could grow beards since Tolkien.
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>>87524474
Thank you for this valuable input that surely absolutely nobody already knew.
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>>87523313
So how's someone's wish to instead of playing as an elf, they'd rather bed one is so outrageous to you? I'd say it could be pretty fitting for a character in a traditional roleplay game. Which fighter or rogue dude wouldn't accept a beautiful maiden as their partner after all?

Also funny how posting Gwent art is ok, but I remember when you sperged out over Elder Scrolls card game art because it wasn't to your taste.
What a ridiculous spineless hypocrite you are, it's crazy >>87489593
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>>87524847
>dragging some completely different discussion from many threads and months ago into this thread, devoid of any context
Please stop, nothing good will come out of this.
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>>87524940
Of course there is nothing good coming from it, it's related to the noldorfaggot, why would anything good come from that. My statement below the card art line still stands.
But anyway, I said my piece and won't reply further to anything in relation to it. It's pointless, whoever reads these threads knows how it is, I just couldn't bear not voicing my dissatisfaction about it.
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>>87515519
who?
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>>87524173
doesn't check out. There are other places you can do that since you clearly hate this place and constantly whine about it
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>>87524474
>bearded
>old
>ugly
>dressed like a hobo
>ears aren't even that big
At this point I'd rather accept that he's a dwarf.
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>>87527053
Wood elves are more often than not dressed like homeless crazy people.
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>>87524474
Tolkien elves don't have beards.
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>>87528488
There's one who had a beard
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>>87528488
>"As they came to the gates Círdan the Shipwright came forth to greet them. Very tall he was, and his beard was long, and he was grey and old, save that his eyes were keen as stars; and he looked at them and bowed, and said 'All is now ready.'"
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>>87528792
Ah. One very old elf.
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>>87528927
Age means nothing. Galadriel was just as old and she looked 18.
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>>87497800
This picture says "templar", but it depicts a prostitute.
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>>87529275
Don't mind the no-gamer and his garbage pics.
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What's the appeal of fat elves?
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>>87529275
order militant of the goddess of love (very popular deity among elves
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>>87529392
Is that the order that practices battlefield snu snu?
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>>87529317
They don't like elves.
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>>87529317
cuteness
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>>87480430
Thenks m8
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>>87529317
The chub obviously.
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>>87529501
no that's a militant wing of the cult of the rape god (female on male aspect), also pretty popular among elves
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>>87476574
If a surface elf loves femdom, are there any options in their culture, or fo they have to move to underdark and sell themselves into slavery?
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Are making Elves a race "banished" to the Underworld/Underdark without necessarily being drow too far removed from the Elf concept?
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>>87497834
I assume that is the rather rare or uncommon: Male ElfxFemale Human, right? Thats an Altmer and a Breton right?
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>>87534175
You can't rape the willing
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>>87529317
The eternal inner conflict. Imagine an elf that was raised by dwarves. Her elven metabolism fights the dwarven diet, and the dwarven diet tries to defeat her slender elven body. Her chubbiness shows the moments when nurture beat nature, giving all of us hopes that we are not slaves to our genetics.
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>>87534895
no, not at all
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>>87535123
heavily debated among rape god scholars who are far from reaching a consensus
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>>87535123
Doesn't the willing rapee rape the raper, that innocently wants to commit nonconsensual act, by consenting?
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>>87534895
Yes. Because it just makes them goblins if they're not drows. See the falmer.
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>>87535224
it makes them generic dark elves, see for example HoMM5
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>>87535247
Generic dark elves are warhammer dark elves. Evil for the sake of it just to be different.
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>>87535142
Why would dwarves not kill the elfling on sight?
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>>87535247
HoMM V dark elves are literally drow with pale skin.
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>>87535265
Same situation like with orc child found by paladins. Some dwarves believe that everybody deserves a chance, that they can change the evil within elves by being awesome parent and giving them good education.
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>>87535265
Because they don't act like dwarffags meme them to act.
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>>87535285
>the evil within elves
Why are you even in this thread.
They are the good guy race while dwarves are the neutral boring race to hide away in their cuckholes.
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>>87535272
they don't have the FR drow baggage which makes them both more generic and superior

>>87535252
and what are WHFB dark elves really without 40 years of flavor? Banished asshole elves living in a inhospitable wasteland. Put elves like that underground (fits the inhospitable wasteland part) and there you have exactly what that anon asked for
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>>87535142
an elf on a dwarf diet and lifestyle would become athletic as fuck if they're working in a mine or forge all day
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>>87535335
>more generic
>and superior
Big contradiction here
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>>87535305
Elves are depicted as evil almost always, dwarves are depicted as evil in a few marginal cases and these depictions are never popular.
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>>87535505
>he typed, after rubbing his hands together quite (((dwarfishly)))
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>>87535534
Cope. Nobody can take a manlet seriously as a threat. This is why the anglo's are so obsessed with painting the averagely tall Napoleon as a manlet.
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>>87535619
Doesn't change the fact that elves are a good guy race overall. You are high on /tg/ memes.
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>>87535697
THE antagonists of D&D first edition. Cope.
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>>87535738
Go back to your cuckhole.
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>>87535768
Should I remind you whose men get cucked by humans at the highest rate?
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>>87535794
Demon?
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>>87534662
I can't imagine any country where femdom is a persecuted activity. Disgusting, yes, and for a good reason, but not illegal. Elves in particular are chaotic good, so they would be very open to all kinds of fetishes.
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>>87535872
Most daemon species are monogender.
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>>87534662
Not all types of slavery in the Underdark are sexual slavery. Especially for an elf, who are seen as a) boring; b) too hated to fuck.
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>>87535889
In fact, most of them aren't.
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New thread: >>87537475
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>>87537478
>another game-less thread topic
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nobody forces you to participate
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>>87525201

Alisae from FFXIV.
She's underage and I can't wait till she's grown up and we can stop drawing porn of the poor girl. She's like a little sister to me after doing the main story and it's getting uncomfortable at this point
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>>87538160
i wanna fuck your little sister
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>>87538160
I want to brutalize and violate your sister



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