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『Horus Heresy』
>Official Website
https://thehorusheresy.com/
>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Started
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#the-horus-heresy
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>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
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>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Warhammer_Tactics/30k
>Fluff
folder/yM1yWIba#ETw9ELPJmEScSrM9Wwj
>HH1 Black Books
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>Rules and Supplements
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『Adeptus Titanicus』
>Rules and supplements
/folder/s9xQ3CiA#9a594y1utfRGxKLxiIy2aQ/folder/p5YjXaLL
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics
>homemade missions:
https://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html

TQ: What are you hoping for christmas, and have you been a good little imperial or a bad Imperial.
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Im hoping for the new SoS units to be in plastic and for some of the custodes units to become plastic like the jump pack lads or sagitarium
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>>86834058
kill all word bearers
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Militia rules when?
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>>86834058
there's four thursdays left this year
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how do titanifags paint all this trim
I want to kill myself
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Post dudes. Post termies.
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how many points should one aim for when building a first list with age of darkness as a base? 2000?
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>>86834202
750 zone mortalis even to start is pretty good. Starting a little lower makes you actually roll out painted models and you can play faster.
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Anyone got PDF's of heresy short stories or whatnot? I got dreadwing and than some normal 40k ones.

Hell, i'm particularly looking for sons of the selenar rn.
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>>86834162
Do I have autism or OCD if I find it annoying when the model isn't perfectly centred on a base? I'v had to reglue models in the past because of this.

>>86834202
1000k, but do whatever you want.
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>>86834162
Nakrid Thole I bashed together a while ago, just finished him up
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>>86834404
A second angle
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>>86834399
You have BASIC. Learning to off-center your models is the first step into better modelling.
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>>86834430
What's BASIC?
I agree it ruines it if nice model is off base.
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>>86834162
First attempt at a Justaerin. I have no idea why that decided to rotate on me
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>>86834490
Looking fine, I can't tell if it's the fw ones or a print.
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This is a really waacfag question but why do people constantly insist on wasting 10% of their points on a spartan to transport their deathstar? 99% of the time it's not fully utilizing its laser destroyers and is just rammed up the board faster than an American can jam jelly donuts down his gullet.
Why don't they just use a warmonger for their autistic, primarch deathballs?
>can charge out of deep strike
>can be pretty much guaranteed T2 with support
>the wounds from the splicer means you have some leeway with wound allocations later
>can't get immobilized on a rock
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>>86834490
The legs, arms, and the..underpads? of the shoulders are the plastic cataphractii. The helmet, torso, red shoulderpads, leather crotch thing, head, and kneepad eye thing are all 3D printed.

The exhaust port area on the back is a bit messed up, but overall the parts turned out pretty good.
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>>86834562
>>86834524
misfire
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>>86834490
Fix the shoulderplates before it is too late. That huge gap looks like shit.
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>>86834562
Very nice

>>86834532
Deep strike seems very risky because I assume everyone and their mother has an ausphex for free Interceptor reaction, especially on a heavy support squad.
You could negate that with nemesis rifle recons to snipe them.
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>>86834592
Oh it's far too late. I think on that first guy I didn't put the plastic bit on the shoulder that bulks it out a little bit. Live and learn
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>>86834227
Can't help you looking for bulk stuff anon, but I have a copy of Sons on hand.
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Power spear wielder for my despoiler squad, what are you guys working on?
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>>86834602
Actually pinning can't help against interceptor. It only lasts until the end of the pinned units next turn, so they will be ready to intercept on your next turn. Unless you manage to pin them via return fire or overwatch.
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>>86834665
thanks fren.
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Which way, neophyte?
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>>86834781
All Deep Striking units cause all units within 6" of their final location to take Pinning tests before Intercept reactions are declared. Not a surefire way to stop it, and doesn't help against Doredeos and such, but I've had decent luck with it by making sure to bring 3-4 units of Deep Strike whenever I wanna do it.

HH 2.0 is much or an 'all or nothing' game, which I'm not entirely sure I'm a fan of, desu.
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Since Battle Hardened increases a models toughness when calculating Instant Death, does that mean Deathshroud can take FNP's against S8 and S9 weapons?
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>>86834162
Loving your spooky boys pal
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>>86835252
Yes. Battle Hardened means there is no ID triggered at all, unlike Eternal Warrior that simply limits the effects of ID but doesn't prevent it, making FNP rolls impossible.
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>>86834148
Trim is literally the only fun aspect of painting.
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>>86834532
Because spartans look fucking cool.
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>>86834162
why is middle one so far back? he has all this empty space in the middle of the base
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Bit of a weird question but can a unit Battle smith repair itself?
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>>86834781
You can snipe out the ausphex man, no aus no intercept
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>>86835429
Take your meds.
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here, one recently completed Dynat

hes a combination of Legit and Recast parts, I had a legit one ages ago painted up for my by a friend, but my dumbass wanted to convert him (it wasnt very good)
needless to say i got a recast dynat, stripped the model, rebuilt and repainted him
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>>86835687
His hammer is very cool
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>>86834071
stay mad loyaltranny
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>>86834071
Seeth ultracuck
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>>86836393
His suit has an unlimited supply of copium
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>>86835531
There are meds for objectively correct opinions?
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>>86834162

Last termies I painted , part of my 10 man cuddle squad
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Had an idea for an Esoterist and I had to try in photoshop before I commit, since the model is pretty expensive. Could probably do with some more ooga-booga aspects like runes smeared on the armor and such. Or more skulls.
Thoughts?
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>>86836813
Looks more like a Praetor than a Esoterist
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>>86836813
Each esotericist has such a personal practice that you should probably think up a character before adding bits.
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>>86834532
>99% of the time it's not fully utilizing its laser destroyers
What idiot upgrades their spartan lascannon batteries to laser destroyers? Can only ever fire a single one because Ordnance.

But yeah spartans are a trap, one empty Rhino parked in front of it and 50% of your army can't move for a turn. Useless transports.
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>>86835144
Go Iron Hands. They need some love
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>>86836813
Given how legions threw everything but the kitchen sink at the problem, Esoterists should be plastered with runes, charms, wards, etc.
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>>86834148
Yes that's the correct reaction
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>>86834162
Luv nators. Simple as.
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Horse cock
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>>86835144
Iron lads
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what list building tools do you guys use, battlescribe doesn't seem to have talons
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>>86836393
>>86836218
Cope
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>>86837595
I just type my lists up in a text document. Battlescribe fucking sucks and has endless errors, just get the books and crank a list out on your own. I guarantee your list will have far fewer errors than if you used Battlescribe. You'll also become much more familiar with USRs, wargear, etc.
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>>86837474
Shit, is that yours? Great job mate
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>>86834404
Very nice anon! Keep it spooky
>>86835331
>>86836809
>>86837425
>>86834490
Fuck yeah terminator enjoyers!
>>86835437
>>86834399
I think the pose was so wide he’d have hung off the base from the middle or something. Might stick a casualty in the empty space.. or leave it to mess with you.
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>>86837474
Gorgeous m8
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>>86837595
yeah, as anon >>86837708 said, the best list building tool is a PDF of the book(s) that you need, your preferred text editor and a calculator app.
Or if you want to feel like you've gone back in time to 3rd or 4th ed 40k, the physical books, pen and paper and a pocket calculator.

Battlescribe is pretty bad in general, but for 30k especially it was always a pile of trash. There's also been talks of a BS replacement called Phalanx, but it sounds like vaporware to me.
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>>86838169
>There's also been talks of a BS replacement called Phalanx
>but it sounds like vaporware to me.
Pissboys hardest hit.
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>>86834465
Broken angular supporting identification of composure
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>>86837474
BROTHERS!
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>>86837474
>>86838879
Seeing Emps children more than iron warriors recently. Keep up the good work kink marines!
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>>86837425
has anyone ever run a Deredeo in ZM games? feels like there's a build there with the Aiolos/Hellfire plasma
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>>86839240
The plasma is just bad. I don’t really see a reason to use
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>>86834162
Had my first game in ages since my club reopened

Got smashed in by the wolves
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>>86839240
Can it work? It used to be restricted in ZM due to its base size.
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>>86839307
Damn that MkIIb has a sexy profile.
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>>86839378
too bad it did fuck all and rolled like shit
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Slog of foot. The best way to go.
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>>86839427
Art imitates life.
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>>86839307
At least your sallies are stylish as a bitch. What would ya do differently facing them next time?
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>>86839496
Probably use reactions abit more , stick my land raider with the spartan (one had firedrakes, one had pyroclasts) splitting them was a mistake

Was a fun game , mate was running a list for an event next week so glad to help him get a test run out of in
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>>86839307
>>86839516
Another Pic from the game

All the good terrain was still packed away so we had the barebones board
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>>86839516
>>86839593
Nice of you to help out wolf guy. Happy gaming brother.
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>>86839682
Always up for a game with my group

>Even if I get bummed by turn 3
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>>86834162
>>86834162
Zone mortalis game, 1k of iron warriors vs Mechanicus iron warriors pulled it out for a very tight 11 points to 10.

Felt very balanced, really happy with heresy and how’s there’s almost no Gotcha moments!
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>>86839307
>>86839593
Guess you can at least say that you've taken the knot.

>>86839478
If the Emperor meant for Astartes to roll he'd have fitted power armor with heelies.
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I want my boys to be mid-late heresy, and wanted to show it by stuff like some parts of their armour are bare metal look to show it was rapidly replaced and they didn't have time to colour it properly, some parts with just poor, rushed paint jobs etc.

How can I do the "rapid paint job" without it just looking like bad painting? I have one panel that's half painted, and it just looks like I didn't have enough paint and said fuck it. It's fine for full panels of just the bare metal, but not the rest.
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>>86839889
there a photo in the books of a iron hand marine that has some armour parts unpainted

If you can find that image id use that as your reference
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>>86839889
Paint the bit(s) in Mechanicus Standard Grey or some other neutral tone like pic related, and paint some 28mm text/throw some transfers on to represent production codes/markings
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>>86839996
Forgot pic
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>>86839818
>heelies
You just know that's some shit Corax and Alpharius at least prototyped
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>>86839807
How do you find ZM 2.0 compared to ZM 1.0?
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>>86840026
Space marines with heelies seems like a lot of fun. I would like to see someone model that
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Man, why the fuck did they make bikers t4? What the actual fuck? Bikers are just worse assault marines now
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>>86839366
yeah it's permitted, the only restrictions now are no vehicles/armigers, no dedicated transports, no units of more than 15, no antigrav and no dreads/automata with 7 or more wounds

>>86839287
S8+1 5" blast with Rending 4+, and if you roll Gets Hot you're still saving on 2+

the volkite falconet can't really compete overall, more shots than the sustained fire plasma but it lacks the squad deleting powers of the big shot

plus the Aiolos can shoot around corners
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>>86840154
firing protocols my guy
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>>86840036
didn't play 1.0 am afraid. Came from 40k and unlikely to go back!
What I will say is the slow speed of releases and the reactions being far less mental load compared to Command Points makes for a much more enjoyable experience.

Even little things like Initiative as opposed to a "who charged who" system allows for a great deal more depth in combat. Also game play feels slower and more grindy, very few times a unit just gets pasted with no counter play with is very nice
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>>86840157
Ap4 rending just sucks, and gets hot makes it even worse.
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>>86840169
Ooo wow I can shoot with my twin linked plasma and my... Bolt pistol? If you upgrade the gun, just use jetbikes, if you don't just use assault marines. Bikers are garbo
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>>86840171
I can imagine. I left 40k at the advent of 8th. Been playing Heresy since launch. I still miss the elegance of 1.0 though it had its flaws too.
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Two more of the people at my LGS who got into the heresy with 2.0 are back playing 9th
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>>86840266
There is no helping some people
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>>86839996
I've currently got them in a washed silver, but production numbers on a couple of bigger pieces is a great idea.
Cheers.
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>>86837324
>Given how legions threw everything but the kitchen sink at the problem
I wish the books would have gone a bit more into that, actually. Most daemon encounters are described fairly blasé in the novels while the bits hinted at in the black books with the nullifiers, the esoterists and the various shaman types paint a vastly more interesting picture of a problem utterly outside the context of what the legions can normally deal with.
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>>86840026
They were actually banned under a lesser known subsection of the Edict of Nikaea.
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>>86834532
Every man and his dog got a Spartan with the big box.
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>>86840512
I'm reminded of like plague doctors and such, who had no idea what was killing people, so they tried everything and resulted in all sorts of weird contraptions for the wrong reasons, but which also worked. Or various beliefs that have a reason behind them, but which was not understood at the time. So an esoteris or a nullifier could have a dozen different things draped on them and using all manner of incantations and spells, out of which maybe one or two actually worked, but they had no idea which ones, so as long as it didn't hinder them, it'd stay on. You wouldn't want to leave that one thing that worked out, now would ya?

And yes, it'd be really interesting to have a Liber Chaotica style HH book gathering all manner of info on the warp entities that they encounter. Compiled archive of reports, ancient beliefs, maybe even some legends from alien sources, like the Eldar. A study on them and how to counter them and their effects, written in world.
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>>86840673
>And yes, it'd be really interesting to have a Liber Chaotica

I just want them to reprint liber chaotica again, such a good book
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>>86834162
Some of mine in a game a few weeks ago
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>>86840837
>Painted armies
>Painted, proper terrain
>Game mat
That's some peak warhammering right there anon, neat
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>>86840853
That terrain is incredibly shitty anon, what standards do you guys have
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>>86840853
>>86840888
Better than the terrain in my game >>86839593
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>>86840888
It looks fine to me.

Checked
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>>86840673
For sure, that's the vibe I was getting as well. It's an intriguing idea that really would deserve more attention by the writers. I like the idea of those disparate schools of thought having to work together despite the utter weirdness each side feels from the others.
Like, there's the by-the-book Librarian, only just recently re-instated after everybody started abolishing the edict of Nikea, scientifically going over these phenomnea with deliberate tests and careful security.
Then there's the Nullificator, skirting by mostly on hard-won experience and some randomly thrown-together shit from a bunch of barely remembered religious traditions that might have worked that one time.
And then there's the Esoterist, who has gone off the deep end into full witchdoctor mode and is currently dancing naked around a fire, smeared head to toe with stuff you don't even want to know.
And lord knows what the Forge Lord and the Mechanicum delegation are working on to adress the issue.
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>>86840673
It was really the best part of Malevolence.
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>>86841164
And then there's the Rune Priests...
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>>86841302
Couldn't have chosen a better picture.
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>>86841230
Loved that bit. It paints an interesting picture of the warp as seen from somebody that has no fucking idea what it actually is, but knows enough to ineract with it in a limited manner. Don't know about the random German in there, though. 's weird.
Sorta in the same vein: Even if Samus on the whole was a big disappointment, I always thought the introduction was awesome.
>Samus. That's the only name you'll hear. Samus. It means the end and the death. Samus. I am Samus. Samus is all around you. Samus is the man beside you. Samus will gnaw on your bones. Look out! Samus is here!
Well, maybe not the 'gnawing on bones' bit, but the rest is good horror banter.
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>>86841398
>Don't know about the random German in there, though. 's weird.
Consume the flesh, drink the flesh, become the flesh.

It, along with the rambling style might help to show that the writer has an imperfect grasp on sanity. However, it should also be noted that they only lapse into German when discussing explicit blood sacrifice, so it could be being used as a form of coding.

I went to college for this.
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>Mortarion's Preternatural Resilience is a nice little bonus that makes him tougher against Fleshbane, poison and rending weapons.
>Gets FAQed so it doesn't work while he's attached to a squad.
>Deathshroud Termiantors sworn to protect Mortarion at all costs join him in battle.
>Mortation becomes less tough.
Fucking why?
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>>86841793
Didn't you get the PR update? All the traitor Primarchs were a bunch of uncool losers, and anyone who likes them is having badwrongfun.
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GW, gib new transport
sabre with assault ramp instead of gun
bombard with rear transport compartment
legion basilisk with rear compartment, open deck option
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>>86841979
>the tankette that has a crew size of maybe two
>an assault ramp
nigga what?
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>>86842030
I mean it does kind of look cool, aside from the odd number of exhaust stacks
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I've nver built a tactical squad before
do you magnetize the sergeant?
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>>86842054
I don’t think it matters, you can do whatever you want. Me? I either use a bare head or some fancier pauldrons
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>>86841979
>sabre with assault ramp instead of gun
Making an assault vehicle out of the space marine equivalent of a STUG
>bombard with rear transport compartment
You mean like a Land raider, but worse.
>legion basilisk with rear compartment, open deck option
You mean a Chimera.
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>>86842030
you take away the gun, have a small compartment that goes from behind the driver up to the assault ramp that replaces the gun
5 marines, standing up in a small frontal assault armored tank

a destroyer transport?
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>>86842093
>destroyer transport
already exists
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>>86842099
*another destroyer transport, cheaper and for different situations
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>>86841807
It genuinely is just the most un-needed nerf I've seen.
If they needed to clarify that it doesn't effect any unit he's attached to that's fine, but just removing if he's in a unit if faggy. Like Pert loosing Firing Protocols so he can't shoot and repair the same turn.
It genuinely feels like they just unnecessarily nerf traitor legion stuff for no reason, and the only thing I can think of is the fact that French is a massive loyalist cock guzzler and he has now become the second coming of Ward with an even bigger fetish for a legion with and even worse colour scheme.
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>>86842075
I like the sabre, but it may be a bit small.
>land raider but worse
the inverse of a land raider, instead of a front ramp, this new transport discharge from the back and sides, the front is armored. Also some anon actually made one of those for his 40k DG, somewhat
>you meal a chimera
a space marine chimera
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I haven't been keeping up on Horus Heresy stuff for a few months. Can somebody summarize the Mortarion and Rogal Dorn books that have come out recently? Last time I was here, we were shitting on Echoes of Eternity
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>too lazy to use transfers
>spend like two hours trying to cut a stamp in the shape of the line unit symbol
>still haven't figured it out
is there something I'm missing? the paint transfer is always uneven no matter what I change about the stamp
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>>86842693
Is it made of a porous material? Kind of looks like it is an epoxy
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>>86842700
it's just an eraser so yeah
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>>86842706
I know rubber stamps are a thing, but have you considered a foam? That would hold paint better and allow for more compression, kind of like a sponge. Some stamps are made of sponge
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>>86842693
Listen, anon, just go on Popgoesthemoneky and buy a sprue of shoulder icons like a normal person.

https://popgoesthemonkey.com/collections/insignia/products/60x-double-arrow-shoulder-insignia-pack
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>>86840113
Specifically, I'd like to see the marine in a static pose, legs straight and parallel, with a melta weapon. The idea of a marine just sliding on by while he microwaves some guy makes me happy.
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>>86842745
would expanding foam work? I honestly have no idea how and why materials would affect it

>>86842754
fuck those, they stick like a meter out
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>>86842779
Any old foam that is open celled. The problem with your rubber is that it is not porous, so it doesn’t get much paint for stamping. Also it requires perfect contact with the model to transfer the paint, and deforming it is a lot harder than deforming foam. Rubber may not be stiff, but it’s a heck of a lot stiffer than a foam. I am betting that this is the problem, contact mechanics
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>>86842754
I tried these, but people started laughing at me so i got transfers instead. That said their vehicle icons are not too thick to be out of place on a landraider door
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>>86842817
I think the issue with foam then would be that it'd be much harder to carve. I have a lot more control with the eraser not deforming out of the way when I try to cut into it
also wouldn't the pores in the foam be too big for a tiny symbol?
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>>86842835
Yeah it’s harder to carve the more compliant material, that is for sure. I’m afraid I can’t help you there aside from using what you have as a stencil and getting a thin, stiffer foam sheet. You can get some pretty fine foam, so i would aim for that. The pores will fill with paint or ink, so it shouldn’t be a big problem. See picrel, and that is just some kid doing it. Finally, you can always just spend some time tidying up if it doesn’t look perfect, just use the same paints
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>>86842835
You already have the eraser cut. Use it as a stencil.
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Should I be pairing my UM Nemesis Destroyer Squad up with something like a Seeker squad to take out high leadership models like Sergeants and IC or am I better off just running another full squad of Nemesis Destroyers?
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baby's first list, 1000 points of death guard

HQ
Preator - Alchem combi-flamer, master crafted power scythe, plasma pistol, melta bombs, toxin bombs - 180
master of the legion - the reaping

Centurion - alchem combi-flamer, power scythe, toxin bombs - 90

ELITE

Contemptor Dreadnaught - Gravis melta cannon, gravis chainfist, inbuilt heavy alchem flamer, havoc launcher - 205

TROOP

10 tactical marines - chain bayonets, nuncio vox, augury scanner, legion vexilla, alchem combi flamer, artificer armour, toxin bomb - 175

10 tactical marines - chain bayonets, nuncio vox, augury scanner, legion vexilla, alchem combi flamer, artificer armour, toxin bomb - 175

10 tactical marines - chain bayonets, nuncio vox, augury scanner, legion vexilla, alchem combi flamer, artificer armour, toxin bomb - 175

I figure there are problems, I think the tac squads might have too many toys, but I also like having squads fully kitted out (specifically the looks of the squads when built), but is it THAT much of a problem? any thoughts?
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>>86843374
>10
cringe
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>>86843091
do you... know what a stencil is?
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>>86843374
I feel like one dedicated melee unit could wipe out this entire army minus the dread
like not even anything insane, just a 10 man night raptor squad or even just a command squad
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>>86843416
15?

>>86843623
drop a tac squad and centurion for terminators?
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>>86843555
Do you… know what a positive and a negative stensil are? Here’s a hint, your picrel is a negative, while that anon’s is a positive. Maybe you can figure it out
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>>86843555
>Using a picture of childrens art supplies
>Children's understanding of art supplies

Pottery.
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>>86834148
when a model reaches a certain percentage of trim features, I think it's far less stressful to spraypaint the entire model the trim color and prep the trim with drybrush/contrast(or ink) to have the gold or silver or bronze finished without having to care about any edges or anything at all.

Then it's much easier to just fill in the flat panels with a regular color. The inside panels don't need a ton of work to look good, unlike trim.
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>>86843657
>>86843651
no I'm saying why did you even bring stencils up at all? it's not the difficulty of making/designing the shape, it's the difficulty of cutting into soft shit that's the problem.
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>>86843374
Give the contemptor a fist meltagun, giving him a havoc and flamer is full on schitzo when he's got a gravis melta.
You could use a heavy support squad for firepower.
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>>86843374
Drop the Praetor and spend the points on something else, it's a waste of points for 1k.
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>>86842054
No, I've only magged my praetor. Low life sarges do not get magged.

>>86841793
Is that for real? That's full on retarded, it's good Morty can ghostwalk anyways so might as well run him solo.
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>>86840853
I hadn't finished basing the entire army by this game, so I did let the side down a little here
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>>86843356
Anyone?
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>>86844415
In lower points you usually want bodies. It's largely personal preference. I go for boys over toys. Also it depends on the rest of the list. In Bongland it's not past 9 yet so you might get their input later as well.
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>>86843374

you're right, the tacticals have waaaay to many toys. Yes, it is that much of a problem when, for the combined price of those mostly useless upgrades, you could buy some terminators.
I would cut pretty much everything off the tacs, except for maybe the vexilla. The sergeant's artificet armor could also be okay if you give him a decent melee weapon. Also, if it's not a ZM game Rhinos are based.

I feel like the Praetor is too expensive in such low points games. If you really want a rite of war, get a Centurion Delegatus, who also unlocks ws5 command squads.

use the leftover points for some termies/ a command squad and/ or a heavy support squad with your preferred weapon. Autocannons are alright since they can pull double duty as both anti inf and anti tank, especially in 1k points .

Heresy is often a game of "Less toys, more, boys"
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>>86844452
Fair enough yeah. Planning on playing somewhere between 2500-3000, but I guess you can never go wrong with more bodies regardless.
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>>86844493
>Heresy is often a game of "Less toys, more, boys"
I prefer the term more dicks, less chicks
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>>86844573
what if you play SoS
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>>86843374
Here's mine, mainly catered towards ZM.

The Reaping RoW 999/1000 points
HQ
Centurion 60 (Warlord, WT Trait Reapers Visage)
Delagatus 25
Rad grenades 10
Power Scythe 10
115

Troops
Legion Tac Squad 100 (Line)
Artificer Armor 10
Alchem Pistol 2
Power Axe 10
Rad grenades 10
132

Legion Tac Squad 100 (Line)
Artificer Armor 10
Alchem Pistol 2
Power Axe 10
Rad grenades 10
132

Legion tactical Support Squad 85
5 X alchem Flamer
85

Legion Heavy Support Squad 100
5 additional men 75
10 X Missile Launcher 50
Artificer Armor 10
235

Legion Scout Squad 65 (Line)
5 Nemesis Bolters 50
115


Elite
Contemptor Dreadnought 175
Heavy Flamer + Gravis Power Fist 5
Heavy Flamer + Gravis Power Fist 5
185
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>>86842325
The Mortarion book was about him destroying some extremely rigidly ordered society that was resisting Imperial compliance, and him being judged for it by Horus and Sangunius as a wrap around.

The Rogal Dorn book was about a bunch of Primarchs with being tasked with conquering a mysterious area of space, and Rogal Dorn proving that he is the Emperor's most trusted brainless thug.
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Fucking Quartermaster wiped all my lists. I am absolutely livid. Fuck this piece of shit app.
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Im in the process of applying transfers to my UM and going for Ultima on left pauldron, tactical marking on the right, but wondering about the mk5 or mk4 with the studded left pad. Do they swap the Ultima to the right or keep the tactical marking on the right?
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>>86843356
Taking out sergeants with seekers/recon is handy for them. I run a squad of 10 with some rad missiles so taking out any artificer on the sergeant is also super useful so they cant just tank the missiles.
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>>86845331
Ultima would switch to the right. Legion/Chapter heraldry takes precedence over tactical insignia.
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>>86845331
Apply the ultima upside down and make Omega legion instead
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Why the fuck hasn't GW included skitarii in the mech book? It makes no sense that they have no rules in age of darkness and would make more players get into the game
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>>86845480
They never have and I'm happy for it, the cowboy steampunk 40k mechanicus is so goofy contrasted to 30k mechanicum.
The only models I'm fine with are the basic Skitarii infantry.
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>>86845480
Have you *seen* the Liber Mechanicum? Not including the Skitarii is the least of the problems it has.
Not that I don't agree, mind you. Skitarii and Sicarians ought to be part of the list, the dogshit flying machines and such I can do without.
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>>86845532
You could use Sicarians are HQs and as tech assasins in the elite slot.
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>>86844221
>it's good Morty can ghostwalk anyways so might as well run him solo.
It's double retarded when you remember Mortarion had some of the most loyal and clingily body guard out of all the Primarchs. Running Mortarion without Death shroud just feels wrong, but they actively make him less effective.
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>>86845532
>>86845517
Yes yes, I agree with you both, I'm just talking about the basic skitarii and their HQs. The rest of the 40k stuff is ok but it should stay in 40k
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>>86845480
>should be in the Liber
– Skitarii
– Sicarians
– Skorpius
– Kataphrons
– Manipulus
>should NOT be in the Liber
– Pteraxii
– Archaeopter
– Electro-priests
– Kastelans (not in use until after the Heresy)
>could go either way
– Ironstriders
– Onager
– Serberys
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>>86845345
Do you equip the Seekers with Nemesis Rifles or just keep the Kraken Bolters?
>I run a squad of 10
I should probably do this too, but I'm planning on running a full squad of 20 and having Ventanus tagging along with them. I will definitely be taking the Rad Missiles though since that seems like the best option for the unit.
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>>86845685
>– Kastelans (not in use until after the Heresy)
Pretty sure they predate the Imperium.
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>>86845685
>– Electro-priests
Electro Priests been in the setting forever.
>– Kastelans (not in use until after the Heresy)
Kastelan robots are older than the Imperium.
>– Ironstriders
>– Onager
They've already been in the background of 30k art.
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>>86845769
Just Kraken on the seekers. I'm running orbital assault so not having to snap shot after landing is nice, and the shorter range isnt an issue.
I also have a combi disintegrator on the seeker sergeant which has nuked a HQ in both games I used him. Was funny for me, less so for my opponent.
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>>86845815
>electro priests ... on board spacecraft
Isn't their contemporary lore that they can't get into transport vehicles because the interference they generate would fuck everything up?
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>>86845854
Nothing in the 9e codex says they can't be put into a transport. I have a strong suspicion it's the same retarded crap as skitarii literally marching everywhere because their metal legs don't tire, to justify Admech not having transport vehicles for a long time.
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>>86834162
Sure thing
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>>86845810
>>86845815
>Electro-priests
For sure, but, admitting my bias here, the models are utter dogshit.
>Kastelans
Also true, but they were mentioned to be by and large mothballed and only came out of storage after the ban on the Cybernetica Cortex was established in the aftermath of the Heresy.
Fair play on the Onager and the Ironstrider though.
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>>86845899
>models are utter dogshit.
So's the Skorpius but I'm still fine with having it around if for nothing else than to give rules for conversions.
>Kastelans
There's autonomous units of them rolling around, so clearly there's ones that aren't beholden to a data-smith swapping out their cartridges.
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>>86845931
>So's the Skorpius
Lies, the hover-Higgins is cute. Cute!
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>>86846000
Not for Mechanicoom.
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Some Jungle terrain for my LGS
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>>86846196
Quite literally based
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>>86843730
There are lots of foams out there which are not so soft it is impossible to cut. It’s not a sponge. Craft foam is a pretty specific material that isn’t too bad to work with and should serve his purposes fine. Not like it’s packing peanut material, the pores are so small you can’t see them with the naked eye, so it cuts like thick paper. https://www.michaels.com/12x18-foam-sheet-by-creatology/M10597609.html
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>>86845895
Very nice termies anon.
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>>86845895
>Combat power scythes
HHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG I'M COOMIN
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>>86834162
10 Palatine Blades and a Dread going into Honored Telemechrus out of spite, just before the Suzerain shred them.
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>>86845570
Yes indeed, lore rarely reflects the rules because the rules writers are retarded.

>>86845624
You can use the Techpriests
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>>86845480
Check Liber Ingenium.
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>>86846889
How do you plan on basing your pretty boy?
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>>86846992
Probably going to do Martian Ironearth, an orange color to heighten contrast with the purple. Open to suggestions though. Here’s an in-progress shot a few weeks back of my Sicarian and EC dreadnought punting an Iron Hand away.
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Is painting a section of plate where a mortal wound has occured bone a general deathwing thing or specific to companions?
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>>86847025
That sounds cool!
Oof the IH never get a break..if only some gave that guy a heads up
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>>86845685
>Onager
Its lore says that it was originally made by Arkham Land himself, so it should be around during the Heresy
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>>86847064
YEAAAAAAAAHHHH!
(Miami Vice theme plays)
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>>86845480
Why the fuck haven't you read the fluff for the Skitarii, which would have revealed you're a dipshit who's wrong that it doesn't make sense?

In 30k the Skitarii are a specifically Martian force, *not* a Mechanicum one, and logically most of them would have been wiped out/turned into wahoo-wahey-whacko Darkmech critters. The Skitarii/Martian Tech-Guard don't become the default until after the Heresy when the new Adeptus Mechanicus establishes much tighter control over the other Forge Worlds.

Also the players who it would attract are the lazy, unmotivated shitters who don't actually care about Heresy they just want an alternative way to play with their 40K army, so fuck them we don't wan't the cunts, they can bugger off and jerk off their "30K should have 8th/9th 40K rules so I can pretend to be a 30K player but really I just play 40K with a 30K army list" faggoty kinsmen.
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>>86845624
>I'm just talking about the basic skitarii and their HQs.

titan guard fill that role
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>>86846196
I know it's supposed to be destroyed, but that Wraithknight looks like it's just lazing about enjoying the weather.
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>>86847419
Just a lil nap bro
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Is there any use for the Iliastus accelerator cannon on the Caladius if your opponent plays Astartes? >Heavy 3 is too low to efficiently maul big units or glance vehicles. >Brutal (2) with AP3 is a very strange combination since most infantry models with a 3+ save lack an invulnerable save and will suffer ID from S8.
It has niche against Mechanicum units I guess, but that's it.
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>>86847328
Literally not true, skitarii were present all around the galaxy wherever the Mechanicum had important rsources
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Adding some decals
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>>86848060
Fuck yeah looking nice anon.
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>>86848060
>[sucking air through teeth noises]
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>>86847328
>Why the fuck haven't you read the fluff for the Skitarii
apply that to yourself
>In 30k the Skitarii are a specifically Martian force, *not* a Mechanicum one
fake and gay, skitarii are the mainstay forces of the mechanicum in all media except this game because FW didn't make models for them. Just like the Imperial Army and not the Solar Auxilia were the main non augmented human forces.

Don't confuse FW mental gymnastics to put their models front and center with the actual pseudo-"historic" use of those forces.
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I’m making a corrupted Word Bearer Warmonger to go with my Gal Vorbak. What weapons should I give him?
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>>86843669
might have to do this with the rest of them when I get around to that, I've kind of lost motivation to finish this thing
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>>86848553
Power maul
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>>86848553
gotta go with the tainted shiv
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I'm thinking about starting Death Guard and I'm trying to get the colour scheme down. I'm want to use the FW recipe but would Vallejo off white be a good replacement for the old Skull white paint (also I don't want to use GW whites).
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Is it a bad idea to run a delegatus at 2k? specifically in DA, I can give everyone a terranic greatsword for melee, and the Rally ability seems like a really powerful support buff
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>>86848631
Would but that’s my diabolist’s shtick

>>86848648
This is really tempting but aren’t tainted weapons just way too expensive?
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>>86848904
yeah, 25 points is really expensive but it's basically only the good parts of paragon blade
no one actually cares about anything besides the ID at AP2
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>>86848904
I run one with my herald and it's pretty meh
but it's still a cool idea
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>>86848718
I don't know, you could just do a test model but I think it will work. DG appear creme coloured instead of pure white like WS, but you can paint them white if you want.
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>>86848849
Rally seems useful yes, I'd try to keep him out of combat tho because he's squishy.

>>86848060
Cute bunny
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>>86848849
Rally the Legion isn't detachment-specific, it's army-wide, so you can put him in an allied detachment as long as they're Sallies (needs Sworn Brothers to work).
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>mkiv tacticals back in stock at gw
>place an order for them, some paint, and that "free" would eaters model
>parcel arrives today
>there's no mkiv in the box
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>>86849159
Send em a strongly worded email.
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>>86849135
Well I would go over them with a shade, but I'm trying to replicate the FW models scheme, since I think the bone white is a better colour than the creamy white they've been using recently.
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>>86847746
much longer ranged and every 6 shots or so it's AP2, the Arachnus is half the range and more or less dedicated anti-tank, in that it will fuck even a super-heavy so quickly if left alive that it probably won't be left alive for long

you'd be wasting a Blaze Caladius if you took it as dedicated anti-infantry, the rate of fire is too slow and cost too high to justify it even against heavy infantry; the accelerator can at least stand off and shoot if you want to use it for that, though again it's kind of wasted on infantry at all
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>>86845420
nice try but he's already Alpharius
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>>86849146
fair enough. I was planning on inserting him into a deathing companion retinue to take challenges he doesn't like. then throw in a medic and he should be fairly survivable.
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>>86849164
any britfags have strong words to use that might strike fear into a gw employees heart?
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>>86849281
Rationing.
Margaret Thatcher.
Knife.
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>>86849281
"I watch TV without a license."
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>>86849281
>why can't I rule customer service employees by fear
>I'm such a big mannnnn
>mommy said I'm almost as good as papa
>I could afford a gun if I wasn't so addicted to filling my bedroom with piles of unassembled shame

sup anon how's life been going you still taking your meds or what
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>>86849306
anon I'm an american, I have a gun within eyesight right now
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I wish Bligh had never died. I wish Kinrade would work on HH instead of making Napoleonic wargame rules.
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>>86849398
And I wish Nigel Stillman didn't ditch the industry to become a postman. But we can't always get what we want.
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>>86849306
It sounds like you are the one who needs meds
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>>86849398
>>86849443
Bligh was awesome as fuck. Old Forge World shit in general is so fucking good. Why won’t they even attempt a return to older content structures?
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>>86848718
Use Typhon Ash.
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>>86849158
I was planning on running storm of war.
btw, is storm of war a good option if you aren't planning on bringing the centurions? since the stubborn rule is granted to all stormwing characters, that includes sergeants right? so then I can throw in a Stormwing delegatus into whatever squad to give them stubborn, seems like a good strat to me. is there anything i'm missing?
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>>86849492
because, if one of his eulogies is to be believed, bligh actually had an incredible work output, it was GW and FW bureacracy and mismanagement that made the release schedule slow.
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>>86849319
bet it makes you feel like a big man too huh
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>>86849443
Stillman was pretty good, and would certainly bring some (unironic) soul back to GW, but I would trade five Stillmans for half of Bligh.

>>86849492
Because despite being really good, it was a niche within a niche. As the playerbase expands and focuses more on a board-gamey type of fun with its main games, meant for people with little time to dedicate to a hobby, we'll see less and less. We're also in the era of GW fans becoming GW writers. Which, I would say, is a bad thing. When you draw upon GW as inspiration for things that aren't simply "sell models with action" instead of "these cool things happened in history so how do I make them fit into the far future..." you get pretty lame results. Once again, the niche of a niche comes up. Sure, some people will care about the logistics of the Taros Campaign for 40k. But more people just care about spending maybe 30 minutes painting models with contrast paints whilst watching the latest memetic video on YouTube about Kriegers and their epic shovels.
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>>86849609
It is not bad to have fans become writers. It’s a bad thing to have bad fans become writers.
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>>86849398
IIRC Kinrade works on Aeronautica stuff every so often, so he's not cut ties with FW.
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>>86849206
I don't have a good way to photograph this with accurate colour, but Valejjo Game Color Off White is quite cream in tone, because there's a surprising amount of yellow in it.
Trooper White (if you can get it) is not quite as bright but also not quite as saturated.
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>>86849281
>>86849281
>Oi cuntsomer service, send me mkiv box or I'll shank ur mum prim and proper right in the gabber, you stingy cunts
That'll do it
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>>86849398
Same bro

I also wish Cults & Militia would just get fucking released
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What kind of fast attack units fit with iron hands? I know they weren’t big on them, but if it’s the heresy, they will make do. I kind of like the sabre, but what other stuff is worth getting. Bikes, speeders, they all seem kind of cool, but there are a lot of variants of them. Anyone have experience with these models?
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>>86849398
I wish we could get moar Solar Auxilia models
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>>86849591
come say that to my gun
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>>86849725
>There's an entire separate section of Valejjo paints specifically for wargaming.
I was looking at the model colour off white which is a lot more neutral.
The Game colour off white looks alright for Death Guard, since it's more bone colour fits with them but I'd worry about if it would make them look too yellow when shaded. The Rotten white also looks like a decent choice.
Any opinions?
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>>86849947
Xenos pls go.
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>>86849906
why, are you to fat to fit out your front door or just too lazy to get up and come find me
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>>86847419
Needs to be covered with vines
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>>86849833
IH did not appreciate bikes and skimmers very much. They had some, of course, but their martial traditions didn't regard them very highly and the commanders thought them to be a waste of perfectly good legionaries.
>Seekers
Basically always a good pick, they're flexible enough to do several jobs without specialized gear. Whacking an apothecary out of a unit is often worth their lives already, but they can do a lot more.
>Sabre
Cheap and cheerful. Bring the snub-nosed autocannons or take the neutron blaster, the volkite looks great but you'll get that kind of shooting elsewhere. Hustle them up a flank and take potshots at targets of opportunity. They're also good to accompany rhinos.
>Xiphon
Reliably wrecks aircraft and comfortably pulls double-duty as tank-buster if the skies are clear. Not much else to say here.
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>>86850205
Thank you my friend. It’s a shame, the speeder stuff looks pretty cool. However, the xiphon, neutron laser, and seekers are cool too, so I do not mind just going with them!
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Going over the rules for the Castellan, am I reading this right? I can take the base Centurion with pistol and sword (which I can replace for other pistols or melee weapons), then I can add an additional gun (like a bolter or a shotgun). Then I must add another gun (heavy bolter, autocannon or assault cannon) and *then* I can still add a stormshield and meltabombs.
So in theory I can have the guy lugging four guns, three flavors of grenades and a shield into battle?
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warriors of chaos helmets with shaved off horns for DA, yay or nay
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Anons, I can't finish my army. I
My spine got injured and now I can't sit up or use my hands with delicate accuracy anymore. Hurts to even focus on small details. Really bummed.
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>>86850525
Could you commission someone to finish it off?
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>>86850543
Yeah but I had my heart set on really putting in the time myself. I'm about 30 percent done right now.
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>>86850525
>>86850556
That sucks something awful man sorry to hear it. If PT is offered do it and stick to it, worked in that field a while and that shit can make or break what your life will be like from here on out.
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>>86850647
I'm still in the midst of the injury so I'll look into once I'm fully healed.
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>>86850525
Can't do much but send you my best wishes, man. Hopefully you'll make a swift recovery.
Try to work on the fluff of your force, maybe it'll take your mind off of the injury.
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>>86850478
Yeah, centurion wargear rules let you do a lot of nonsense but you don't have firing protocols so you are paying for guns that you are not going to use
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>>86850556
Think of it this way: if you commission its completion, you can ensure that the best of the best works on it, and it can give you an opportunity to realize your guys even more fully than you would be able to alone. Every cloud has its silver lining, you can’t let it ruin your plans for good
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>>86850688
Get better soon bud.
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>>86850749
Eh, you could probably take the MC autocannon for ranged work, a shotgun to gamble on Concussive once the enemy draws close and then carry both a powermaul and a thunderhammer to respond to have the proper weapon for each melee situation.
I mean, ignoring the staggering point costs of that gimmick, obviously.
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anyone have the sanguinius primarch novel? would be really thankful
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>>86850506
Classic move and work as well as it ever has.
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>>86850013
You wont do shit
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Longtime 40k listener, short time 30k reader, first time 30k commenter here. Holy shit this thread is so much better than any other place on the internet to talk about the conflict between legions. Anyway, I'll stop being gay and ask my question. What type of Sicaran is most fluffy for Emperor's Children? I gotta plasticboi and the default turret is boring AF, and I want to buy some recast to liven things up.
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>>86851263
I like the big old punisher gatling cannon. I am a sucker for ammo feeds. I also like the venator neutron laser, but that doesn’t work with the plastic kit (trust me, i have tried)
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>>86851263
Arcus seems like something the EC would use for fast moving artillery support.
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>>86851263
I’m gonna say arcus for the same reason. The EC want to be up in their enemy’s face quickly and a big, fast artillery platform supports that
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Find it infuriating how Delegati can't take disintegrator pistols. It's such a waste of points to buy a Praetor just so I can give my warlord a model that has a nemesis bolter with an underslung disintegrator. Fix it, James.
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>>86849833
Sabres are ideal harriers to support your vehicle hammer and infantry anvil
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Just finished a Mk. II support squad. My backlog is slowly drying up
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>>86852948
Nice red!
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>>86851263
Venator, unstable reactor, not prefect
Omega, dumb turret, not perfect
Punisher, Cool but cant kill vehicles, not perfect
Arcus, perfect
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>>86834058
Start new army or finish old one?
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>Buy Age of Darkness box set
>No chainswords
>No bolt pistols

...bros... they're gonna do a plastic close combat weapons sprue, right?
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>>86853195
Ally yourself with a guy who owns a printer.
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>>86834162
Marduk and his Companions
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>>86853270
>When your whole armor is bone
>Brothers, perhaps we should allow nature to take its course...
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>>86853028
New one fuck that wallet homie.
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>>86853280
Hey man, you wanna be Marduk's bodyguards, you gotta become ONE with the Phosphex. I was a lot more tame with the bone on my other varying companions but I decided to make his bodyguards stand out in particular. I've got fun little stories for all of them.
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>>86853270
you could've done more to pick out the details and highlight the models
but the marble looks pretty slick even though they don't match sedras's tactical rocks
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>>86853195
>Yu wil take ze chain bayonette und yu wil like it
I look forward to next edition when they will jew us with a chain bayonette pts increase
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>>86853028
Finish, don't have several half finished armies like me. I am in hobby purgetory.
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>>86852074
He's just going to kill himself, I wouldn't risk it.
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>>86853028
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I got Age of Darkness since my store let go of one copy at 33% off, mainly for 40k deathwing. The meta for relic termies there is mixing 1 claw and 1 bolter. Is that common or viable or legal or meta in horus heresy?

I prefer glueing arms on over magnetizing but if it were totally illegal or something then I'd have to magnetize one arm.
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>>86853948
>The meta for relic termies there is mixing 1 claw and 1 bolter.
Well, it's a legal loudout, that's about the best that can be said about it.
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>>86853948
LCs are considered kinda shit. They are okay at mulching MEQs, but everything is okay at mulching MEQs. Power mauls and power spears are both significantly better. In addition, single claws don't get the +2 attack bonus, which is about the only reason to ever bring claws in the first place.
Combi-bolters are also kinda bad, they just don't put out enough firepower; you'll basically always want to replace it with a combi-volkite, combi-grenade launcher or combi-melta, depending on the unit's job.
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>>86853195
Just watch, they're gonna do a MkII box and it will only be close combat options, no bolters
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>>86834148
>>86837340
>>86848562
Does anybody know a good recaster of Adeptus Titanicus miniatures? I've heard that WTG isn't very good so I'm not sure exactly what other recasters to look at now.
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>>86834058
What is the key word for the fluff mega?
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>>86854074
It'll be mkV for the despoiler squad, that's why the WE have mk V heads and GW will be able to re-use all the MK VI shoulders for them
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>>86854074
Fuck that makes me hard
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Generally speaking, how large were chapters within the legions? same as 40k, (roughly) 1000 marines? Or where they much larger?
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>>86854065
>>86853948
Tbf LCs have Rending with Shred, as well as 2 bonus attacks if you have dual LC. They are in a better spot than ever.
They are also really cool.
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>>86854401
40k shitter get out
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>>86854407
>They are in a better spot than ever
A better spot, but still the bottom of the barrel.
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>>86854401
By the Heresy era it varied a lot due to squads being up to 20 marines and chapters also potentially having more than 10 companies. However, I'd say that 1000 marines may have been the original intended size in the Principia Belicosa, and that was the reason Guilliman used it as the template for codex chapters. It makes sense.
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Is there a mega for the Siege of Terra audiobooks?
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>>86855007
No

audiobookbay for torrents
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>>86854837
If you're a waac-faggot yes.
LC beat power swords every day bro.
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>>86853948
>The meta

Fuck off, you giant faggot. Take your tourneyfag attitude and leave 30k. Stay in 40k. We don't want you.
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>>86853948
Is that common or viable or legal or meta in horus heresy?
Build an army because it's cool, not because it's meta. If you show up to a game with a "meta" army, you won't get a game and you'll be branded a meta-chasing double nigger.
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Does the 40k Furioso BA dread come with two fists? I can see it has the claws, but I may be blind and not seeing double fitting ability. I want to use the Castraferrum for an IW ZM force and give him two fists.
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>>86853270
You do know when DA started the bone armor thing, right?
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>>86855564
Yes, it has two arms with the fingers bits to build both as either claws or fists.
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>>86855583
Do you?
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>>86855685
Ah. Nice. Thank you very much, anon. I think it'll be cute to punch up some loyalists in the claustrophobic conditions.
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>>86855696
Yes, after the genestealers got to them at the battle of plains world, which obviously happened many years after the heresy. Common to think the deathwing and the like were always bone, but they weren’t.
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>>86853430
>>86853462
Il finish it. My god the pdf is like a holy passage for me now, many thanks.
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>>86854401

Iron Warriors have lost 29,000 Legionaries in one year. It can give you an idea of the size of Legions at that time

source: Lexicanum
>One of the Legion's most tragic episodes would come in 842.M30 during the liberation of the Forge World of Incaladion: The stubborn IVth Legion used their typical tactics of heavy artillery and armored spearheads, and suffered staggering losses in a protracted siege. Nearly 29,000 Legionaries died over the year long campaign, virtually annihilating the 8th Expeditionary Fleet.
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>>86855851
Now look into the Companions.
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>>86855851
Damn bro that's crazy, now read up on the Deathwing Companions and how they painted bone/white on their armor where they took what was meant to be fatal blows to their charges.
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>>86854401
1 Chapter would have 2 battalions of 5 ompanies each with 100 legionairs per company so 1000 core fighters without counting chapter command or specialized personel. That was the original idea but many legions did not follow it, having more companies per battallion or chapters organized in completely different ways.
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>>86855851
As the man who painted them I'll do the legwork for you. I also just like bone armor and they're my dudes so I'm gonna paint them how I want anyways, but as a fan of the DA I understand your skepticism. I've read the little novella about Plains World and all that too, but I think really it's just the forward jump of lore when BB9 dropped giving a reason for the painting team to have done up the official DWC models with bone mixed into their color palette
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>>86853350
I did more picking on my other Cenobium that were more traditional, and I'll probably go further when I do my set of Broken Claws, but thanks for the feedback anon. I wanted to do Marduk like his box art but I've got a second one that I'll play with a bit more. Might ignore his tactical rock entirely and just got with a printed marble base like I did with everyone else. I also want to see how a printed Marduk turns out, as I have what seems to be a 1:1 scan of him in an STL and an 8k printer.

In the meantime have my custom built praetor that is a frankenmodel of GW/FW/FWE/printed parts
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I’m thinking of starting a militia army for my Word Bearers that isn’t just warp cults. I imagine back when they were loyal they actually raised regiments from Monarchia? Maybe they still have more disciplined troops they field alongside the rabid cannon fodder

I’m just struggling to decide if that’s appropriate, and what models to use
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>>86856462
Consider giving him some grenades or a pistol on his hip, he looks spooky right now
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>>86856086
Holy fuck Mechanicum fuck bitches and kick ass
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>>86855851
Lorelet
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>>86856701
They probably had some, but the huge number of cultists that started following them would make such forces only a tiny group among them.
I have some of the old chaos militia that look great with my WBs
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>Escher motojets are in pack of 4
Nice
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>>86856701
Sure, tho if what you want is a properly regimented and disciplined army instead of a horde of cultists I'd look more at solar auxilia. 2 of the regiment types on their book show the kind of armies that ultramarines and iron warriors would levy from their domains. I assume most legion did the same to a degree, including WB. You can just theme them arround being a bit more on the religious fanatic side
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>>86856797
Massive donations of 6 squads does get me hard. But 4+ saves seems too good for a regular regiment to me
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>>86856718
More that Peter is really stupid sometimes because counter-siege warfare is the Mechanicum's strong suit.
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>>86856823
It worked. The cost was 29,000 Iron Warriors. But it worked. There are more.
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>>86856813
4+ is just the standard for human armies here. Solar auxilia has rules for penal legions and if even they can have it, it must not be that difficult to get.
Or go with militia but I woulnd't expect their rule to be great this time arround when it's just gonna be one pdf considering the quality of the expanded marine units
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>>86857059
I refuse to believe any munition short of a planet-cracker is more valuable than a marine. Peter's war-calculus is bad math.
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>>86857264
I mean, Paragon blades
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>>86849052
I see you've updated the filename since my last comment a couple of threads ago. I still only see it as a hat
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>>86857283
Fair; a better way to put it is in the context of trench warfare: there's no way that creating meat grinders isn't the *worst* way to use space marines. The most efficient primarch was always Robby Williams, and he did combined-arms decapitation strikes.
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>>86857539
I agree generally, but Pert was right, sometimes you just gotta fucking smash your enemies. that said, losing 29,000 marines ins one campaign is beyond retarded. if his geneseed wasn't the easiest to recruit for, he would have went the way of the 2nd and 11th.
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>>86857556
Also true, but then you might as well do it Lion style: truly unleash everything so you can at least do it quickly and without overstraining any one resource. Of course, we all know efficiency wasn't really Iron Pete's goal. It was an act of self-flagellation.
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>>86857264
Cope more pissboi
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>>86856823
>>86857264
>>86857556
It needs to be noted that the Siege of Incaladion happened prior to the IVth's reunion with their Primarch. This isn't one of Pert's fuck ups, this is one of the reasons he decimated them.
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>SoS short story coming up in the black library advent

anyone subscribed to that so they'll be able to share when it drops?
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>>86857701
Kek anon just got owned
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>>86857702
I look forward to the audio version
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>>86857688
The Piss-Metal Autism dialectic is a false one. Embrace the oneness of chicanery.
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>>86857731
kek thats a good one
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>>86855851
>Common to think the deathwing and the like were always bone, but they weren’t.

The Deathwing concept didn't exist before 1990. Also I don't think there was even a studio DA army before then, so no termies "officially" painted one way or another - other than this guy from the back of the RTB09 Terminators box set. Who is all-black. The RTB09 set stayed on sale until the release of the new-style "Fat Pauldron" terminators, including the Chapter-specific Space Wolf and Dark Angel terminators, several years later (DA terminators went on sale in 1993, their first Codex arrived in 1996). The box image is from a double-page spread in WD112.

The context of the Deathwing short has changed over the years: since it's incompatible with the tale of Caliban, the Plains World has been retconned to just one Dark Angels recruiting world, and conceptually the story is now seen as an allegory told to Deathwing initiates in later millennia rather than once which is verifiably true. Within that context, the Deathwing of the story paint their armour white - not bone-white but actually white - and

> etch in new totem signs on the armor, the marks of vengeance and death. As he did so, he felt the powers of the totem spirits begin to enter him.

Which in the context of the Horus Heresy game makes them more like Nullificators than Deathwing squads. Remember when this story was first published in 1990 they were still fleshing out very basic things about the lore, that in some cases would come to be used in other areas of the game, like the warding on armour (later used for SW rune armour and Grey Knights, and now Nullificators). The unit's only Librarian was dying/dead at the time.
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>>86858340

The all-white armour was used for the cover of two Space Hulk expansions, one called Deathwing and one called Genestealer, and to paint the derpy Space Hulk terminators and the equally derpy Space Hulk terminator librarians found within. With gold trim, red broken-sword emblem and red/white hazard stripes (1990, baby!). The white still represents bones at this time, but the actual shade used was probably Skull White initially, then Skull White over Bleached Bone on later units.

A bone-white terminator captain appears on the front of WD122 - just 10 months after the all-black terminator that ended up on the box set. From then on there's a lot of fluff about the DA coming out in WD, but the native american influenced models don't appear until 1993 - probably influenced by Rob Baker's Deathwing conversions featured in 'Eavy Metal in WD127, which aren't bone-white or white but kind of shit-brown.

Regardless the bone-white Deathwing pieces appear in Horus Heresy-era Dark Angels as indicators of wounds suffered on that body part - no doubt a reference to the original short where the squad paint their armour white because they do not expect to survive the mission/have been wounded in the spirit by the loss of their homeworld, the conceptual spirit-wound that all post-Heresy Deathwing warriors must bear.
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>>86858351
>Rob Baker's Plastic Skeletons Band
Would listen to.
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>>86858351
I love and hate that random phase where Dark Angels we’re suddenly the Native American chapter instead of Arthurian Knights

I was so confused getting into 30k cause that was my impression of them
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>>86858351
>Hello, brother. I am her in service of big-chief Lion El-Johnson!
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>>86858351
Hot damn, those are some goofy models
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>"Twas ye lavendrie day, frater."
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>>86858402
I quite like it, because it gives them a sense of cultural shift that other legions/chapters lack. From the grim and proud Terrans, to the glorious and dutiful Calibanites, to the savage and superstitious Plainsworlders, to the current attempt to synthesize and impose unified Legion culture onto recruits from multiple worlds.

It makes it even better that you can actually see this Legion-culture overlaying the Plainsworld culture in King's Deathwing.
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>>86853270
How big is Marduk and the newer Terminator models compared to the Tortuga Bay Terminators?
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Chainaxe enthusiast
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>>86858719
Just a shame we don't know that much about Mississippian war-culture, besides superficial similarity to that of the Mexica.
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>>86858483
true, but nothing has ever topped the RTB09 or original Space Hulk heavy flamers

the Tartaros version comes close but that beetle-cover ultra-compact thing really sells it as a weapon for burning shit in deep space tombs with hypergolic rocket fuel
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>>86857264
>lose 29,000 Astartes in an entire year of brutal fighting
>an entire year when your opponent has armaments that literally blast your skin from your bones
>an entire year
>only 29,000

That's fewer than 100 troops a day. Across an entire world. This is in no way bad.
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>>86858875
I have no idea, I don't have any Tortuga bay models for comparison
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>>86853270
Far be it from me to throw stones from within the glass house, but, like, dude...
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>>86853270
Is everyone fucking with you because your “counts as DA unit I don’t wanna spend money on guy”? Your dudes look pretty fly regardless just curious.
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>>86859130
Those swords were all fucked, and those are about as straight as I could get them. One of the lower quality recasts I've ever received but I did what I could. I can try to shave off some of the excess but there was a lot worse stuff that did get fixed. I've gotten a new recaster since receiving these but I'm not gonna do much more on them.
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>>86859150
Chief I just about had a stroke reading that
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>>86859163
>about as straight as I could get them
You are forgiven anon, there's no possible method of turning DA straight
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>>86859186
The heat gun couldn't un-gayify them...
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>>86858952
Assault squads should have the option to buy chainaxes change my mind
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>>86859218
There's lots of things that should be added/fixed anon
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>>86859180
All good don’t stoke out.
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>>86859218
Command squads should have access to at least some of their legion's special wargear, yet here we are...
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>>86859218
>buy
#FreeChainAxes
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>>86842099
I love this dumb model like you would not believe, it really needs to be more available like 1e
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>>86859281
Still hard to believe they forgot to include it in the mechanicuck book LMFAO
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>>86859242
I'm just trying to understand your question Anon. A counts as unit I don't want to spend money on?
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>>86859307
It doesn't surprise me, GW sharted all these new rules out
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>>86859307
The Carnodon not being in the Liber Imperium is hard to believe, the Liber Mechanicum is such a disaster that nothing about it surprises me anymore.
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liber mechanicum is exactly what their players deserve
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>>86859085
This is using GW logic, where 10,000 is considered catastrophic for a campaign and 100,000 for a legion.
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>>86842833
The people you play with sound like dicks. Have you tried kicking them in the balls?
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>>86858402
Had the opposite effect on me. Got into them pre-Caliban so the Deathwing lore was pretty much all we had, everything was in flux for a few years.

Then one day Gav Thorpe graduated from the office tea boy to novel writer and spanked out all this stuff about knightly orders that was never in - I think never even really in Codex Angels of Death, even, not in any detail.

Kind of off-putting to me at the time but them's the breaks. And it's much easier to swallow now.
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>>86859590
A lot of stuff was beginning to lean towards that in Angels of Death, even if it wasn't all the way there. Angels of Death was heavy on the monk and penitence themes. It's a small leap from monasticism and excruciation to knightly orders, much smaller than Native Americans to European monks.
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>>86834162
Can anyone recommend some metal chains that are on the same scale as these? I cant seem to find anything that isnt way, way too big. Like 1.5mm when I need something like 0.8mm.
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New thread, move along:
>>86860179
>>86860179
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