Happy Thanksgiving EditionPrevious: >>86813658>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the society of rules:https://mtgedh.net/>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.http://www.edhrec.com/>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity.http://mtglands.com/>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices.https://www.moxfield.com>CARD SEARCHhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/PRN77rEG >how to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com/>TQ/PromptHow did your last game go?
>>86829606Last game I played ran out of time because the LGS was closing so we called it a wash.I probably wasn't going to win though.
played a game with 20 starting life total, it was shit as the aggro player obviously won
>computer set up in the living room instead of literally any other room in your housecheck>10$ microphone and webcam setupcheck>neglected children screaming their heads off in the backgroundcheck>shitty wife watching the real housewives of atlanta on max volume and providing live commentarycheck>1$ or 1000$ deck with no in betweencheckyup *sips pabst blue ribbon* its spelltable time
>TQI played voltron at a table that apparently had no creature removal. Went pretty well.
>>86829665Haha let's goooo!
How many here /collecting/? >used to only buy singles I had an immediate use for in my decks>occasionally buy cards now just because I like them so much
30 starting life is objectively superior to 40
why is karakas banned>>86829725why
>>86829606>TQHosted a tribal 2vs2 gae online, one of my opponents disconnected after about 10 min of gameplay, so game ended prematurely
>>86829729>why is karakas bannedcrawfag answer - it bounces other peoples commanders too easilyhigh iq answer - it makes low cmc commanders even better because it bounces your own commander back to hand
>>8682972520 starting life is objectively superior to 30 or 404-of-a-kind is objectively superior to singleton60 card deck sizes are objectively superior to 100
>>86829734>ended prematurelyjust like pic related's puberty
For the anon last thread asking about the BRO precons old borders.
>>86829665Don’t forget everyone on that website is stoned.
As long as wotc is going to keep printing made for commander shit I hope they at least print some more shit that incentivizes high CMC or mono color commanders.
>>86829753they look... okayish? idk why wotc decided to turn the saturation up to 200% on the borders tho
>>86829753minimal difference although it makes them look brand new so I like themwhat I don't like is the use of the modern art on skullclamp
>>86829757Hey shit I never knew about this. This may be my chance to finally play paper. Is it worth it?
>>86829771I bought the From the Vault one and regret nothing
>>86829738but what's wrong with your commander being bouncedshould they ban mental misstep or force too?seems silly because it doesn't even make your commander more expensive
Can you fail to find a land to return to hand? Me and a friend are having an argument
>>86829781>Is it worth it?spelltable randoms are worse than the gorillion brazillians that infest cockatrice
>sick name>sick art>sick under represented and underpowered tribeam love
>>86829817That's not how fail to find works.If you don't have any other lands on the field than Selesnya Sanctuary will bounce itself.
>>86829817no? If it etbs and is the only land in play it bounces itself.
>>86829817No, that's retardedIf that's the only land you have then you have to bounce it
>>86829819Can't be worse than XmageWhere the fuck are you supposed to play commander online?
>>86829817A. That isnt fail to find. Explain what you think fail to find means?B. You can avoid bouncing a land by not having a land to bounce when the ETB resolves. Such as teferi's protection in response to the ETB.
>>86829848play the game or better yet go play legacy D&T to find out why karakas isnt legal in commander
>>86829821>can play stuff you milled from your graveyard>kill insect, do thing>ramp into wincon>golgari colorsit's Chatterfang 2, pretty cool
>>86829869>can't explain why it's banned using his own words
>>86829845spelltable is alright if youre primary opponents are college aged white guys or aussiesavoid shitty setups and germans/br*tish oh yeah if they have actual pronouns in the pronouns box just dodge
>>86829817>play bounceland>counter the ETB effectyou just ramped
>>86829734who is this girl? I am going to sound like a faggot if he's a dude but she cute af
>>86829905haha it has a dick nigga you gay
>>86829793Mental misstep and force aren't repeatable or difficult to interact with.
>>86829905She's all woman and she's fit af
>>86829900>use it on some shitty toke you own>you just ramped
>>86829929>>86829908I'm kinda in love
>>86829941I will now play it as God intended, to ramp
>>86829913neither are lands you crawfag>>86829923>are you aware of why you believe X>umm yeah but I'm just not gonna TELL youlol
>>86829931I know you've spent too much time on 4ch
>>86829956>its another retard with a retarded take starts calling everyone telling him hes retarded a crawfagsuicide. NOW
>>86829964>>86829929>Germany>what was basically prussia>still uses the double eagle>a symbol of the HRE when it was ruled by the Glorious AustriansI don't get europe
>>86829974>seethes when he's exposed as being retarded and wrongtime for you to leave, newcuck
>>86829762Wouldn't hold your breath for good mono colored support.
>>86829821>tribalIt really is bottom of the barrel deck building
>>86829929Sisters of battle looking aah
>>86829762>high CMCThey've already made those thoughhttps://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28oracle%3Awhere+oracle%3Ax+oracle%3Ais+oracle%3Athe+oracle%3Amana+oracle%3Avalue+oracle%3Aof+oracle%3Aa+oracle%3Acommander%29
>>86829956>he can't use his brain to figure out why something is strong
>>86829981okay lets go down the list of reasons why its banned>its a land, the hardest permanent to interact with>youre average coomander player bullies people for running land removal which makes it even harder to interact with>it can bounce any legendary creatures which gives added utility of shutting down someone else's commander or saving your own from a wipe/removal>legendary supertype doesnt matter, can also tap for W>~30$ solely off legacy play and will easily jump to >100$ if it were legal as it would become an auto include in every white deckthis point should also be clarified. Edh already has a problem of "that guy" types who have no self control when it comes to buying card board. If karakas were legal it would mostly show up in pub stompy money pile decks and cedh. It would also become another dockside tier mythic that wotc would start using to get garunteed sales on shitty producttl;dr its strong, really really strong. And it being unbanned would just cause more problems than it just staying on the banlist. What benefit would the format see with its unbanning?
>>86830010fallacy>>86830025>>its a land, the hardest permanent to interact withLand removal isn't banned in commander>>youre average coomander player bullies people for running land removal which makes it even harder to interact withextrinsic factor, doesn't affect the available card poolbtw *your>>it can bounce any legendary creatures which gives added utility of shutting down someone else's commander or saving your own from a wipe/removalthat's the point>legendary supertype doesnt matter, can also tap for Wk, and?>price argumentjust proxy lol
>>86830008>Two aren't even high CMC commander support>Of the remaining 8, 5 are in a cycle that is all situational at bestWow, I this totally makes up for not having an engine shitting out value from turn 3. Thanks WOTC!
>>86830056>>>its a land, the hardest permanent to interact with>Land removal isn't banned in commanderis equivalent to>boseiju isnt strong because stifle effects are legal in edhIs this the underage scarab god poster again?
>won 1 out of 3 games I played last week>both losses were to different players who were behind but then slammed down Bolas' citadel to win30 starting life is objectively superior to 40
>>86829665I've never felt compelled to play on Spelltable, but I have to know, how many beeping smoke detectors do you generally hear in the background?
>>86830074I never said it wasn't strongbut commander rc doesn't ban cards for being strong>Is this the underage scarab god poster again?yes and so is everyone else who disagrees with you
>>86830091haha posty's citadel go BBB111
>>86829606>TQUnfortunately the last game of EDH I did was over 3 weeks ago due to travel and catching covid. >playing on the patio outside of magic 30>Zacama vs Kresh vs Burakos/Haunted One vs B Mikaeus >Mikeaus and Burakos build up artistocrats engines while Kresh and Zacama ramp>Zacama finally hits the board, starts fucking up everyone else's permanents>Kresh makes a few attempts to get Kresh live, but kept in check by Zacama spending lots of mana to bolt him down>for a few turn cycles, rest of the board takes turns spending removal on Zacama while Zacama continues to kill weenies and artifacts/enchantments>Mikeaus tutors a card, table assumes they're going to combo off, rest of table kills them>table is fairly low health at this point, everyone <15>Kresh player casts Molten Primordial stealing Zacama and some fatty to kill Burakos player, then sacs Zacama for Victimize getting some value creatures>Zacama player is top decking and needs a land to recast Zacama, doesn't get it, and scoops
>>86830091>doesn't hold up mana for counters or removal>doesn't play anti-free spell stax pieces
>>86830103what benefit is there to unbanning karakas? Its unbanned only makes lower cmc legends stronger, higher cmc legends worse which in turn makes wotc's powercreep of ever cheaper and more power legends even more obnoxiousThe only decks I could see getting a deserved powerboost from its unbanning are mono W decks, at the cost of every other xW deck becoming even stronger
>>86829606Not as good as the earlier games where I memory plundered someone's tunnel vision after I used syphon insight, or when I topdecked the other half of the Mishra meld with anger in the grave after clearing out everyone else's board. I still won it, but it was a boring loop with smothering tithe, reforge the soul and underworld breach until I found a big burn spell or else I was losing to Yawgmoth.
>>86830156>what benefit is there to unbanning karakas?I just don't see why it was banned to begin with
>>86830200Ive provided a myriad of reasons with your counterpoints being: lol noI get it you want it unbanned for your pet deck and I do the same thing with other cards on the banlist
>>86830101>but I have to know, how many beeping smoke detectors do you generally hear in the background?>implying the potheads on that site havent disabled every fire alarm in their house
>>86830212>Ive provided a myriad of reasons with your counterpoints being: lol noThat's not what happened. You listed a bunch of reasons that don't make sense from a logical standpoint, or from the perspective of the rc
give me a good reason why this is banned from the format>inb4 running it as companion makes it broken1, there's better stuff that copies and you still have to tutor it at 3 mana2, then it should only be banned as a companion
>>86829821>there are not even 20 good insect cards in this 25 y/o card gameSad as fuck
>>86830103Why does the commander rc ban cards?
>>86830238The RC thinks we're too retarded to understand a banned as commander list, they definitely don't think the playerbase would understand a banned as companion list.
>>86830289>The goal of the ban list is similar; it does not seek to regulate competitive play or power level, which are decisions best left to individual play groups. The ban list seeks to demonstrate which cards threaten the positive player experience at the core of the format or prevent players from reasonable self-expression. The primary focus of the list is on cards which are problematic because of their extreme consistency, ubiquity, and/or ability to restrict others’ opportunities.Don't see how any of those reasons were either true or violate this rule.
>>86830225>from the perspective of the rcso you just want me to say sheldon banned it cuz muh fee fees? Or how its feels bad?
>>86829941> attack with a bunch of tokens> Ramp harder than the grigger
>>86830238>play URx>get free 101st value maximizer card just for choosing two colors
>>86830304>so you just want me to say sheldon banned it cuz muh fee fees? Or how its feels bad?No and that's a strawman
>>86830327it's a card that you see coming at least
>>86830303ok you read that post, looked at what karakas does, and still cant figure out why karakas was banned forever ago?
>>86830303Increasing the price of the card and increasing the amount of land destruction played both affect positive player experience and inhibit reasonable self-expression
on the topic of targeted land destruction Im surprised there isnt a land thats just ghost quarter but it targets each opponent
>>86830349Yeah>>86830370>Increasing the price of the cardextrinsic, in that case dockside would be banned but it isn't>increasing the amount of land destruction played>both affect positive player experience and inhibit reasonable self-expressionhow?That's like saying enchantments should be banned because they might require you to run enchantment removal
>>868303843 lands for 1 on a land? That's op. You should pay XX where X= the amount of opponents you have.
>How did your last game go?>Me playing Boros aggro>drop Urza's Saga T2>i make new construct>i make new construct>drop Reaver Cleaver>mfw it survives turn rotation>equip it to one of the constructs, they quickly spiral out of control>one opponents finally decides to interact with my fuckhuge constructs, I protecc them.>drop some additional combat steps and close the game.That was close to a christmas wonderland setup but goddam, was it satisfying punching everyone off the table.
>>86830238>3 mana force of will/negation fodderFuck off.
>>86830406I'm not going to argue as to whether or not the rc is consistent. Given their reasons as to why they ban cards, Karakas falls under those reasons.
>>86830281Does that bug you?
>>86830439>I'm not going to argue as to whether or not the rc is consistent.That's another strawman.>Given their reasons as to why they ban cards, Karakas falls under those reasons.Haven't seen any justification for that yet.
>game 1 draw no lands, get hit by a stray mill spell and proceed to mill 4 lands>game 2 only draw lands all of which are non basic so I get fucked by the magus of the moon despite having 26 basics in the deck>game 3 get land fucked, miracle come back only to have my singular U land be destroyed by a random choice effect with a 1/10 chance of being chosen causing me to lose
>>86830303And yet Sol Ring remains.
>>86830470if sol ring got banned wotc would livestream sheldon's isis execution to twitter
>>86830470so does mana crypt
>>86829821I built himhttps://www.moxfield.com/decks/ddBfUG30LkevR1qvU1v9bA
>>86830478Vaya con Dios, fuckboy.
>>86830460>strawman>in that case dockside would be banned but it isn'tNot a strawman. That was your argument. Reasons were given, you just don't agree with them
>why is a land that can repeatedly bounce legendary creatures banned in a format revolving around legendary creatures?Holy shit guys. You’re retarded.Also if you want a legitimate argument against karakas is that it doesn’t hit planeshitter commanders and anything that helps them even slightly should stay banned cuz they’re gay as hell
>>86830483>not running Crawling Sensation
I hate this thread. Why are zoomers ruining every single place on the internet
>>86830506with both dementia and ashnod's altar being reprinted I think Ill slot this guy back into my reanimator deck
>>86830487>Not a strawmanExcept it isn't>That was your argumentMy argument was that if money was a factor in whether the RC chooses to ban cards (as you claimed it was) then dockside would be banned, yet dockside is not banned, and neither are plenty of other expensive cards. Evidently, money is not a factor in whether the RC chooses to ban cards.This is why you were held back in 5th grade, newcuck.
>>86830512You can always leave if you feel it’s ruined.
Urza, Prince of Kroog + Tanglewire?
>>86830532>calls others newfags>thinks the RC actually do their job
>>86830556>claims I was arguing about whether the RC was consistent (strawman)>once you're proven wrong you immediately make a claim about whether the RC is consistent
>>86830507eh. It's kinda slow and it does nothing if I mill it. I'd rather just sac a bugg to mill two cards
>motherfuckers really think karakas should stay bannedNext you fucks will say emerakul should stay banned too.
>>86830604>>86830604>Next you fucks will say emerakul should stay banned too.yes but solely to spite the emrakrulfag that lurks here
>>86830483No Syr Konrad!? I know he’s not a bug but he triggers up to 4 times each non-token insect sacrifice.
>>86830604Emrakul? that shit stays bannedban all 10+ cmc Eldrazi as well
>>86830604Emrakul dindu nuffin. Karakas should in fact stay banned though.
>>86830604It gets unbanned, it goes straight in to my shorikai control. Im sure thatll make people seethe they camt do it back
>>86830281>356 scute swarms wish to know your location
>>86830667this has to be my favorite card in green
>>86830616Yeah I probably should run some kind of wincon. I was thinking of just getting zask to 3-shot range and then going to town but that's probably naive.What do I even cut though?
>>86829793Because the RC doesn't like complex and fun gameplay and will bitch and complain when you stop their fragile lines of play
>>86830512We didn't gatekeep, make your own and don't let anyone you don't want in
>>86830710Transmogrant’s crown sucks.
>>86829899How do I find games on spelltable? Can I use moxfield to sim? Can I use paper proxies? I miss playing magic my FLGS is not only far but the only commander players there are troons
>>86830667>play meme eternal dominion deck>get over 2000 scutesThat was an amazingly dumb game
>>86830776>Can I use moxfield to sim?kinda. A lot of people refuse to play with moxfield players tho>Can I use paper proxies?99% of games are fine with them just dont go overboardThe best way to find games is to just dodge the majority of games you join till you get one with decent people. Also there are some decent dudes who form external groups then play over spelltable that you can occasionally find on there
>>86830750No way. It draws tons of cards in a sacrifice deck and it gets zask to 3-shot range
>>86830809>Refuse to play with moxfield playersWhy?>Don't go overboard with proxiesWhat does this mean? Like don't proxy super expensive cards like OG Duals? Or don't have more than a certain number of proxies? Or don't have crazy art that makes it obvious it's a proxy?I would plan on having decent looking proxies, so it's not like I'd be using index cards >Dodge gamesDoes spell table have a lobby/room list you can join?
>>86830796did you know you can copy epic spells on the stack and then they continue to repeat every turn? I found that pretty interesting
The crazy people on spelltable are fun. Especially since you’re not stuck with playing with those people every week.
>there has yet to be made a logical argument as to why karakas is or should stay banned
>>86830905my favorite spelltable player is homelessbongtoker420dude lives in a tent siphoning power from a library while coving his entire screen with bong smoke every other turn
the karakasnigger reminds of a tryhard queza player who wanted a "rule zero" discussion about whether it was okay for him to use yawgmoth's bargain in the game because it makes his commander so much better and funner
>>86830910Because Sheldon doesn't like it Same reason why cancer cards like dauthi voidwalker, sol ring and mana crypt are still legal, because Sheldon likes them
>>86830928>cancer cards>dauthi voidwalkerwut?
>>86830924Holy shit Lmao>>86830918There was one nightmare game i had where someone went to remove my aven mindcensor, someone tried to protect it, then one person at the table just started saying “I’ll scoop I’ll scoop” and the fourth player accused the protector of the censor of being too poor to afford tutors so he hates on everyone else’s fun. I just left the game LOL.
dont unban karakasi dont want to put boots or greaves in my deck they are boring cards
>>86830932>One sided mostly unblockable rest in peace with above average stats that lets you play any card for free
>>86830928t: reanimator nignog>a free, hard to interact with, instant speed, bounce abusevs>2 mana sorcery speed spell that bends to damagehmmpst
>>86830941I had the entire table start a screaming match because they didnt know how flicker worked with unearth
>>86830932>pushed Modern Horizons shit that sees eternal play>not cancer
>>86831193Its cancer yeah but in edh is it as cancer as sol ring/crypt tho?
>>86831201Oh god definitely not.Sol ring is better than half of the power 9 lmafo.
the anti-karakas niggers remind me of niggers
unban sylvan primordial
>>86831274give 1 reason why it should be unbanned>b-because I want it to be!not an arguement
>>86831288>burden of proof fallacyIt's on you to prove the positive (why it should be banned), and no one has done that so far
>>86831306not an arguement tragic
>>86831310>still no argumentswiggers win again
>>86829606you had one job
>friend wanted to make decks with moxen unbanned in edh>everyone but me shot him down>no moxens but the nerfed onesI gotta go fast but these niggers wont let me. I just want to play mox ruby fuck.
>>86830910Polarization. There's a reason why Primeval was banned. It's a race to tutor/Bribery/cheat/reanimate. The whole format will be warped around Karakas and anything that will use it (like 5c niggers) due to how efficient it is to save your own commander or have someone over extend so it wouldn't be worth it.There argument done, allow me to pass out from Thanksgiving dinner.
>>86831385by that logic, demonic consultation would be bannedbut it isn'ttherefor you're wrong
>>86830900Its pretty funny. Its a first sliver 97 land meme so i cant afford to put in copies but i need to put in more funny epic spell stuff in other decks some day....One day ill use the great snake mistake
>>86830641I already have a foil for my favorite white deck. Its literally a matter of time.
>31 lands 9 mana rocksMana screw>32 lands 9 mana rocksMana floodI hate lands
>>86830238Giving every deck that runs blue and red a free dualcaster mage is a bad idea.If I have to explain why, consider killing yourself for being criminally retarded.
>>86830281But this one is so cool it makes up for it.
What are you thankful for anons?I'm thankful for WotCFor giving me delicious bnuuy bussy.
>>86831306free recursive bounce in a format with tons of legendaries is too powerfulthere is no other land in the game that lets you remove a creature over and over with no downside other than not tapping for mana at the same timethe closest thing is Maze of Ith which doesn't actually remove the creature and also can't tap for manabut you already know all of this and i fell for bad bait didn't I
>>86831698capsize is a land?
>>86831658are you the same tranny furry that simps for Nashi?YWNBAWplease rope immediately
>>86829821>Everyone planning all these shenanigans involving milling and sacrificing>I'm just planning to throw some insects in the deck and buff them and use his ability to play things that happen to end up in the graveyard
>>86831705No I'm just a chad who wants to stuff the bnuuy bussy.
This card is so fucking good and people don't give it enough credit.
>>86831586just cut the shit and play 99 lands already
>>86831736Greed is better just from the third card onwards
>Used my proxy decks for the first time last night>someone already not happy with themI learned people aren’t a fan of him anyway but its still funny
>>86831810>Not playing them both
>>86829606need feedback on optimising this draft zombie tribalits gonna likely go up against Ur Dragon and other aggressive tribal in local metahttps://www.moxfield.com/decks/QOab0y07oUW5UQoH1mhLdA
>>86830422I dunno why I haven't seen discussion about Reaver Cleaver much, but man is it a disgusting card. Absolutely bonkers.
>>86830910It doesn't matter whether there's logical arguments on it staying banned or not, since it's never getting unbanned either way. You'll never get to play it.
>>86831658I'm thankful for Karakas being banned and never becoming unbanned in the format that's literally called commander.
>>86831658I'm thankful for winning a game with my damage prevention deck against shrine tribal today
>>86831969>no nantuko husk>no fallen ideal>no crashing drawbridge
>>86832405No thornbite on principle or?
any anons want to play some spelltable in about an hour?
>>86832405>>86831969i feel like you guys arnt using living death to full potential
>>86832569I’ll see if this computer out here can even handle it. I’m abroad at the moment but I won’t make other anons suffer through it if it’s unbearable haha.
>>86831652why hasnt this gotten new art? probably because its not released online and doesnt make them money so its not a priority.
>>86832819Old cards need love but it's not like they care about that
>>86832819Cause it hasn't been printed in paper since fifth edition and will likely never be printed again since it's not a very good card
The new jodah is such fucking cancer man. The second he resolves you have exactly 1 turn or else you lose the game. Every legend suddenly becomes a 10/10 because of this retard
>>86833647And that's exactly why I play control decks and give zero fucks about peoples' hurt feelings when they can't jerk off with their value engine bullshit.
>>86833647see >>86833777idgaf if its bm to see what other people are playing before the game starts but I will 100% play my control deck if I see shit like that come out
Yknow what? I wanna join team Fuck Ramp. I'm sick of a bunch of deck slots being immediately taken by do-nothing artifacts. I'm tired of missing land drops. I'm tired of not having removal. This shit is gonna have to start netting me a lot more mana if it wants a spot in my deck, I'm talking like Sol Ring or Dark Ritual tier.
Why the fuck is this a $6+ uncommon?
>>86829606Have you guys played much of the Two Headed Giant or Kingdoms alternate gamemodes for EDH?What did you like and dislike about each one?For me I liked that Two Headed Giant let certain decks complement each other. For example I had a defensive lifegain deck and it paired well with an offensive lifegain deck.For Kingdoms I liked the clear cut roles and allies that would come from it, it let some commanders that normally get hated off immediately (Sen Triplets for one) last a little longer.
>>86834115ramp is overrated as fuck in edh if your curve is low those rocks often dont even matter
>>86831881Yes. There are a ton of better budget options in black. Even night's whisper is better
>>86829720I also buy nice full art cards and such just for aesthetic value, but nothing over 2-3 €
>>86829606>Playing against artifact deck>Drop Bane of Progress destroying all his shit>Obviously mad but begins to rebuild>Have Luminous Broodmoth on board>After a few turns of rebuilding, I Beast Within the Bane of Progress and return it destroying all his shit againMan was he fuming. Broodmoth is such a retarded card.
>>86829606>TQOne of the games yesterday was just a rampfest for me>Playing my Rayami deck>Pretty good starting hand with nature's lore and topiary stomper>t1 draw skullclamp>Draw into farseek, play that t2 instead>t3 play Nature's lore and stomper>Deathsprout and circuitous route>Draw into traverse the outlands, cast rayami, equip skullclamp and fetch another 6 landsThe rest wasn't quite as fast, so I was in a pretty good position by then despite actually not doing much besides ramping. But the ramp went well.>>86834522I don't get why people get salty when their stuff gets blown up. It's just a matter of time in commander. And whether you can win before it gets blown up.
>>86834143It wasn’t released in the set.
Do you run any objectively bad cards just because they're cool? I want to put this bad mf in something but I don't know if I can justify it
>>86834723I love her design.
>>86834723One of my favorites, the art is way too cool
Any fun and budget tech for this guy?https://archidekt.com/decks/3560645#Urza_-_Attack_of_the_Clones
>>86834782Not really bad. Just subpar maybe
>>86834811Become the villain you were meant to be.
>>86834782This card needed flash
>>86834817I always wanted to jam her into a deck.
>>8683493110/10 would cum on her pits
Anyone else reconsidering upkeep triggers? Always feel like my stuff gets blown up and I don't get value.
>>86832819Because the original art is already perfect.
>>86834931>everyone cheers as they watch you fuck her>your opponent, impressed with your virility and envious of your faith's reward simply loses the will to live and runs out of lifepoints10/10 Flavor, 10/10 angel
>>86831969I'm curious, what made you pick mono-B Gisa over literally any other zombie commander?
>>86831969Maybe I'm retarded, but I don't see the point in Urborg. You only have like 5 lands it could be used on.
>>86830483>no Blightbeetlecome on now
>>86834723I did, but I have become tired to get fucked over when I actually draw them in game so I think I'm going to stop doing that now,
>>86834723I don't care that its shit. It remains fun to pull out and looks rad.People ask why you don't just play deflecting swat but I just wanna coom over arts and unique jank cards.Crippled too many deck with jank pet cards.
>>86834723Yes. The art is freaky as hell.
>There are actually people that think this is a bad card
>>86835492Literally for what reason would you play this now that black market connections exists?
>>86835492>3 mana do nothing
>>86835492Not bad, but definitely not an auto include. It's definitely a card that's overrated to hell and back.
>>86835492What's the point in playing this when you're better off using Sign in Blood or/and literally tons of those effects? Phyrexian Arena is only good if you manage to get it early game and after that you'd just rather have real draw effects.
>>86829725>>86832190No it's not>>86829745Debatable
>>86829729>why is karakas bannedThe ability to bounce somebody's Commander repeatedly and for very little cost is a really strong effect on its own, even before factoring in that you can bounce any Legendary Creature with it. On its own, in a Mono-White deck without too many to fetch it up, protect it, bring it back from the yard, it's still an oppressive control piece. Combine it with Green and it's going to be an absolute nightmare to deal with.
>>86830091>30 starting life is objectively superior to 40No it's not
>>86830238The Companion stipulation is a non-factor in the format. Were it just about any other requirement besides "play a singleton deck," it would be fine.
>>86830384So you want a land that bridges the gap between Ghost Quarter and Sylvan Primordial?
>>86830546I feel like there are easier ways to tap shit down, but that's certainly one of the more inventive methods. Go for it.
>>86830604>emerakul should stay banned too.Yes. It should. People want to play with it, but nobody wants to play against that.
>>86830918>dude lives in a tent siphoning power from a library while coving his entire screen with bong smoke every other turnThis shit can't be real, yet I want to believe it.
>>86831658>What are you thankful for anons?I'm thankful for finally finding a deck with White in it that functions in a satisfying way for me and no longer being held captive by the urge to perpetually brew now that I have at least one deck for every color. Also, the Swords of X and Y, but now I'm talking about two different decks.
>>86831736I chalk it up to people not having enough reasons to play Temple of Aclazotz and preferring Erebos, God of the Dead as their indestructible mana sink for draw power.
>>86831973People are tired of Treasure. There's an argument to be made for running it in Xenagos, especially if you lay down Aggravated Assault, but I can't be bothered to slot it in.
>>86834723This card has rarely worked out for me, but the design of it is too elegant to ignore.
>>86835492It's great in the same way that Burgeoning is great. You play this off of a Dark Ritual on your first turn and it will pull its weight. If you cast this in the middle of the game, it's probably not going to do much for you besides maybe bait a removal spell.
>>86835589i'm not playing anything that has dnd on it
Anybody over the age of 18 who has a tribal deck deserves death.
>>86834811Liquimetal-ing enchantments like Propaganda/Ghostly Prison/Sphere of SafetySpamming multiple Teferi's Puzzleboxes>>86835492It's good, it's just not the auto-include people pretend it is
Anybody over the age of 18 who hates tribal decks gets no bitches on their dick.
>>86830291That's the official line. And to be fair, WotC court a playerbase who are too retarded to understand anything more complicated than yes/no.The real reason is the MTGO devs literally cannot make "banned as X" work in their horrible program, it's either banned or restricted.
>>86836542>instantly proves the other anon right
>>86836653nta, but I enjoy sex. Lots of people do.
>>86835492If you go for grindy games, it can probably pull its weight. Problem is those also include some artifact and enchantment boardwipe somewhere down the line which it can't survive.
>>86835911That's my point. I pointed out immediately how vile it is when it was revealed.
I'm due for a mardu deck, is this guy any fun?
>>86836850Megatron is the best mardu commander.
>>86829725AHHHaahahhaHHaha! Noice!!Now post the pipe smoking meme!!!
How do I deal with yuriko? There's a guy in my pod who just dominates every game with her because she's so ridiculously fast we can't keep upEven if I ran 50 prices of removal, she's so fucking cheap that he just generates incremental advantage and then bam, he hits some extra turns and we all dieFuck wizards for designing shit that gets around commander tax He also insists the deck is casual, which makes me want to punch him in the fucking face
>>86836943Refuse to play against Yuriko. Easy.
How many colourless utility lands do can a typical 3 colour decks get away with?
>>86836943If he’s a regular in the pod and you all know about the deck, should be pretty easy to archenemy him every game until he doesn’t pull the deck out anymore.>>86836971Or take the babybackbitchpill
>>86836943I forget the name of the card, but there's also a W creature that reads "If a creature would etb and it wasn't cast, exile it instead". They're not permanent solutions, but they'll slow down Yuriko. I recommend convincing your group to hard focus him when he plays Yuriko no matter what every single time until he stops.
>>86836943Hatebears with turbofog subthemeHate on combat
>>86836943Targeted hate.He may whine, but you need to point out that if you let him play the game then no one else in the group gets to play.
>>86836971This. Yuriko is bad design.
>>86836982>>86836986The pod is a bunch of limp wristed queers who complain about being singled out or hated so they won't make someone archenemyThey have this gay little unspoken rule where you're not supposed to chain removal on someone, like if player A uses removal on player C, then player B should not also use removal on player C>Don't play with themThey're the only people who play commander anywhere within a 2 hour drive of me. I can't get rid of them either since 1 of them is the game store owners son and he works there >>86836990>>86836999Might be time to whip up a stax/hate bears deck. Who's a good commander for this? Thalia? Or something in GW?
>>86837027Just refuse to play against it. It's a boring card to play against. All 3 players have to devote all their removal to the yuriko player from turn 1. It's retarded and anyone who plays it should be bullied
>>86837027If you have cash I recommend Marisi. He gives you access to some very nice hate and burn based wincons. He also let's you force the others to target eachotherYasharn and Lavinia can probably do what you want on a budget.
>>86837096I'm still upset that Marisi is just a better version of my favorite card.
>>86837027Sounds like a shitty pod, maybe it’s time to go to webcam magic until you move out of nowheresville
>>86837027This dude. It's a wincon for your bears, gives access to green for creature tutors (need them for a hatebears deck)
>>86836943The answer is always to stax and hatebear the shit out of him so hard until he quits playing the game completely.
>>86837027Would also probably just run some extreme hatebear at that point if they somehow can't realise that Yuriko will dominate no matter what. >It's just casual with extra turnsI've played against a Yuriko deck where the mana curve ends at like 3 and it still did well enough. Green also has a really nasty aura that can almost permanently remove a commander or whatever really.
>>86836943>Even if I ran 50 prices of removal, she's so fucking cheap that he just generates incremental advantageProtip don’t target Yugioh with removal. Remove his unblockables.
This card caused quite a ruckus, did Bepis go into any of your decks in the end?
>>86837178I only ever saw this card played onceIt was removed immediately 4 times in a row
>>86836982It's a game, anon. The goal is fun, there's no obligation to play with anyone or do anything in a hobby that you don't enjoy. You aren't tough for putting up with autists, you're a masochist.
Post cards that trim down on people's lands?
>>86837125I'm debating on switching from Ghired to Jetmir, is he more fun in the command zone? I already run him in the 99 and he makes for a good psuedo-overrun.
>>86837394Errata this to hit PWs and unban it.
>>86829793>should they ban mental misstep or force too?Are those lands?
>>86837200This. Similar situation to Vannifar. Never seen anyone untap with her, but at least if you do you autowin.
>>86829956This would be a good unban it would only require everyone to warp their manabase around it! Teehee!!
>>86835911>People are tired of Treasure.In your head maybe. The communities I play in make and use treasures all the time and I do not see this trend stopping any time soon.>>86836767>how vile it isYes and me as a go face player that likes underdog colour combos like Boros will abuse the everliving shit out of it. I've got a second copy and it's going straight into mai Rakdos Waifu.
>>86837676Good for you
the amount of rage this card causes is dumb>wooooooow I thought this was a nonb cedh game why am I dying on turn 4? woooooooooow Im not mad I just wasnt expecting it in this powerlevel or else I would have played a different deck
>>86837676> The communities I play in make and use treasures all the time and I do not see this trend stopping any time soon.Something can be too powerful to exclude and unliked. I run treasure cards and I don’t like it but my meta has gotten so fast that the few I do run are needed. Also I run whiteplume adventurer despite not liking initiative, if it just untapped one guy I’d still run it.
>>86837714Idk why people confuse low power with no removal.
>>86835937>This card has rarely worked out for meI just put this in a R/G deck to try it out as mass removal. Why hasn't it worked out for you?
>>86837729this thing also pisses people off a lot because my meta is overrun with 3+ color decks and it shuts a lot of them down
>>86837714Anyone who guilt trips anyone over a kid’s card game are probably the most annoying people. “Oh your targeting me? I’ll just scoop bro.”“Going to destroy my cabal coffers (with cleansing wildfire)? You know I don’t like land destruction.”Shit like that is like so infuriating. If on spelltable I just outright leave irl at fnm is more difficult because I gotta fucking avoid them without making it seem like it.
>>86837714How is this any different from getting killed by an overrun effect?
>>86837760If you wanna hose 3 color decks in green wave of vitriol can kill people who don’t run basics. Primal order is cheap now too and pretty cool>>86837794If you fail to kill a person you can’t deal any damage to them.
>>86837802>If you fail to kill a person you can’t deal any damage to them.Yeah, I mean why would someone get mad about losing to that, but would think an overrun effect is just fine?
>>86837848Predisposition to think of infect as an unearned win
>>86836943Yuriko can’t be THAT bad, she can’t be worse than anje.
what’s the chance of playing this and everyone forgets it’s symmetrical?
>>86837876Anje is rakdos and has comander tax. Yuriko is in better colors and completely dodges commander tax.You need to be removing anje at the right time. Remove it in response to the trigger untapping her for discarding a madness card.
>>86837876yuriko is the most powerful commander ever printed
>>86837895like dream halls or urborg, theyll forget unless it wins them the game.
>>86837676People are sick of seeing it. Everyone plays with them because they're so batshit insane that they've become pretty much a necessity.
>>86837915Not really, I play CEDH with her and lose a lot more than I win
>>86837994You could just be bad at the game....
>>86837764Just call them out on it, candy-ass. Just last time my coffers was Beast Withinned and I didn't whine about it.
>>86838064I would but I’m definitely allergic to confrontation. I don’t really get mad, just annoyed. I know calling them out won’t change their behavior either, so why bother.
>>86837764anyone who guilt trips earns most of my focus the rest of the night and any time i play with them in the future. i play to piss people like that off, and they arent going to say anything to me.
Not playing treasures is like not playing instants, you could do it, but why would you kneecap yourself? Green is supposed to be the ramp color, doing things like playing 2 sometimes 3 lands on their turn. Most decks can shit out 1 treasure per turn and can easily get more with a little effort.Treasures are fucking terrible for the game as well since they avoid basically all forms of removal. And then wizards prints shit like dockside
>>86838117I like red getting treasure, not dockside, but every other color getting it is gay.
>thespians stage copying someone else's cabal coffers>wasteland his coffers >make 10 trillion mana off his own urborg
>>86838075If you confront them, you can make them embarassed for their actions and they'd probably start to avoid you. They're bitches, of course they're gonna be bitches in the future.
>>86838117Green is the ramp colour which is why they also get oodles of treasure
>>86837895I think i'll play this in my captain niggerman steal your shit deck in case the stars align and I can control someone's turn and make then sac all of their lands.
how does this tiny slut even work?
>>86838187Punch yourself in the face, then swing big bad little bitch out.
>>86838187If you read it it tells you what it does.If you’re asking for a strategy, greaves, blyte, on 4 slam wheel of misfortune or one of the other red cards that deal any amount of damage to you and take 19 to kill someone
>>86838209How do you plan on killing someone
>>86838257Did you read my post?
>>86838187>>86838257>"How are you supposed to build her?">In the best color to lower life total by dealing damage to everyone>With a cheap commander rewarding you for that>Who also grow bigger and have evasion>And an ability to reach for the last damageAre all players that dumb nowadays? No wonder the new designs are full of "do thing draw card"
>>86838187>>86838366I can imagine, her equipped with Fiendlash and having Pyrohemia on the field.
>>86838187I can't imagine making this commander work on a table with proper interaction>deal 20 damage to yourself>she gets bounced or rendered uselessI guess greaves and boots to make her stick longer but the moment someone wipes the board you're most likely left with a huge disadvantage
so /edhg/ as a lifetime videogaymer and a relatively new commander player I have the annoying tendency to optimize my decks which results in my decks overpowering the pod. Now I like my friends so what sort of deck building restrictions should I utilize to keep the power level of my decks in check? The past year I've been trying to buy all the black staples so oddball monoblack commander ideas and strats that I can still fill with strong cards and keep under a 6 would be great.
In EDH, I feel like deck construction is largely the same, due to having to fill 100 cards. I have the coomander itself, and Sol Ring to start. I might as well include greaves and swiftfoot, the relevant mana rocks, and fetches + duals with utilities and basics rounding out the numbers. That's half the cards there. It's worse if you're running black, you just get all the tutors you can. Blue? Cyclonic Rift and the same counterspell package everyone else runs. The free spells if you control your commander? Blue is the best since it's free counterspell.People will say "oh just adjust for your meta!" but it's like, we'd do kitchen table sure. But we'd print out toppity tier decks with massive tuning. Once you play top of the line EDH, Vintage Highlander, you don't go back. The battlecruiser meta feels awful since MTG combat isn't very deep and due to the stall out nature, whoever plays his wincon last wins. 75% is just ramp, do thing draw card, and oops someone won with an infinite. It's okay the other 3 continue on anyway lol. 75% feels like playing top of the line but with the balls cutoff.All the "pro advice" is from some bugman who makes up complete horseshit and uses SEO to just get clicks anyway.
>>86838615>what sort of deck building restrictions should I utilize to keep the power level of my decks in check?price per card should be all you need, if the card is more than 2$ it's probably too powerful
>>86838615No infnite combos, no extra turns, put a budget limit on your cards (either per card or for the deck). Those are the easiest to implement. Commander as a format gives you a ton of freedom, so it's easy to go overboard. But if you don't explode too quickly and give people time to react, things usually work out one way or another because you have to come on top of three others.
>>86838350So your gameplan is stopped by a 1/1 flying creature?
>>86838661play G stax with collector ouphe and friends and then you magically don't want to include any of those artifacts anymore.
>>86838661The only "autoincludes" are your commander and a sufficient land base.
>>86838682>>86838684that's fair i could do ultra-budget decks but then my staples gather dust but i s'pose it's better than making a good stuff monstrosity
>>86838715and a brake isnt an autoinclude in a car yet everyone has one installed
>>86838661>Once you play top of the line EDH, Vintage Highlander, you don't go back.I can't imagine staying at a powerlevel where wins are that anticlimatic. I rather like some back and forth.
>>86838725use a car's air conditioning as your example rather than something required to STOP the car like brakes. a car is supposed to be able to STOP and go, not just go
>>86838725brakes are an autoinclude in cars what the fuck are you talking about
>>8683866175% edh is the best way to play.
>>86838575Witch’s clinic helps.
>>86838575You don't play spell which only damage you. First you play her when the board is clear and/or if you can protect her (red get access to redirect spells if you want), then wait a turn and use stuff like pyrohemia/ashling/flame rift etc to reduce everyone's life total.Then you just slap someone in the face with your commander, or if someone tries to remove her you activate her ability to still deal some damage
>>86838575>>86838798Since it is an inherently risky strategy, some of the lifelink artifacts could also be helpful to pad your life total. I can see Sun Droplet being decent.
ive made some significant changes to this deck so im reposting it. if you lot could glance over it and if anything stands out that needs to be added or taken away / replaced please let me know? thanks in advancehttps://www.moxfield.com/decks/tERpUS5Ya0a1POlsqDlZKw
>>86834198This is your brain on commander literal mouthbreather istg
>>86836440Zombies 4 lyfe niguh