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『Horus Heresy』
>Official Website
https://thehorusheresy.com/
>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Started
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#the-horus-heresy
https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/#the-horus-heresy
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Warhammer_Tactics/30k
>Fluff
folder/yM1yWIba#ETw9ELPJmEScSrM9Wwj
>HH1 Black Books
folder/s9xQ3CiA#9a594y1utfRGxKLxiIy2aQ/folder/QkpUCIhK
>Rules and Supplements
/folder/ZlFBCaRL#Uw_6_tb1NVTUrldEP4xmLw

『Adeptus Titanicus』
>Rules and supplements
/folder/s9xQ3CiA#9a594y1utfRGxKLxiIy2aQ/folder/p5YjXaLL
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics
>homemade missions:
https://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html
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Imagine what her farts could do to a psyker
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>>86823696
ANIMUS SPECULUM GOES BRRRRRRRAAPPPPP
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>>86823696
>Her
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Cults & Militia when?
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>>86823978
Adamus Appleus temple.
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My first box of MKVI marines arrived and I still haven’t been able to decide which legion to go with
>Night Lords
>Sons of Horus
>Dark Angels
>Ultramarines
Which do I go for and why?
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>>86824173
explain to me why there's indecision
just pick the one you like the most
inb4 you like them all the same because that's literally impossible
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>>86824173
depends on what type of army you want
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>>86824173
break it down by playstyle.
>Melee
>Ranged
>Mixed
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>>86824221
>explain to me why there's indecision
>NL
I've always wanted to collect a Night Lord army and I like the whole "terror tactics" thing they have going on, but there are a lot of Night Lord players in my area so it'd be a bit boring to have another Night Lords army at the LGS
>SoH
Sons of Horus appeal to me mostly because they're like the "mascot" of the current edition, and I like the potential storytelling that could happen during matches and such. They also seem to be far easier to collect for because of the way their armies seem to be built, and I like their paint scheme.
>DA
There aren't any Dark Angel players at my LGS, and I also really dig the paint scheme and aesthetic they have going on. The rules seem a bit all over the place, but they also look like a bit of fun to try and make work.
>UM
Ultramarines are mostly for the rules and paint scheme, I don't care really too much for the fluff or anything like that. Their RoW also looks really fun to play around.

It's not really that I like them all the same, it's just that I like certain things about them more than other legions and can't decide because they all have their certain appeals, and also cause I can't make decisions to save my life.
>>86824312
If I had to pick a playstyle, it'd probably be a preference for mixed. I like the idea of melee combat and getting in close to wreak havoc with the chain bayonets and stuff but I don't want the whole army to be geared specifically towards that.
>>86824267
Mostly I just want an army that would be good for making cool battles and stories with and that looks great on the tabletop.
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I am so tired of tactical marines, bros. I have 15 about 90% done (just some basing touch ups) and 5 left to assemble and paint before I've got two squads of 10.

So tired of them.
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>>86824368
It's glaringly obvious which legion you want to play
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Hope everyone is using enough jump packs in their armies. Also post models I guess.
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>>86824451
based, I just finished some
and immediately dropped one on the floor
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>>86824451
I got some neat 3rd party torsos for reaver squads for my SoH, I've got plenty of regular MkIV backpacks for them but I wouldn't mind magnetizing some jump packs for them.

Just need to find a decent 3rd party seller
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>>86824475
Nice! Actually when I had this squad primed I dropped them and limbs did fly off all over. Sorry you experienced that.
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>>86821634 #
>Indomitus terminators can have shields
Not as far as i can see
>Assault marine squads can all take combat shields
I should have specified power armored unit without jump packs, my bad.
They need to be usable in ZM.
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>>86824481
Based make some whoosh dudes, dude.
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>>86824481
Latest pic, focus isn't as good on the dread itself on this one because this one was mainly focusing on base progress
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>>86824368
simply make one legion an allied detachment of the other
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>>86824494
>Not as far as i can see
Can't see very far, then.
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good morning anons

what do you guys think we might be getting for today's heresy thursday?
besides disappointment
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>>86824569
What legion still doesn't have their Mk6 upgrades
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>>86824568
Yup, i read straight over that. Unfortunately still doesn't fit my criteria.
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>>86824574
World Bearers, Salamanders, Raven Guard and Alpha Legion.
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>>86824586
Have less shit criteria, then.
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>>86824586
>doesn't fit my criteria
Your criteria keeps changing, so there's no helping you.
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>>86824613
>wanting a breacher style unit with melee weapons is bad
My criteria are fucking based you absolute tastelet.
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>>86824569
My gut says Raven Guard upgrades, just as boring as the UM ones, i.e. barely changed beakies.
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>>86824621
>Your criteria keeps changing
Not really. I even said in the first thread, i basically want breachers with melee options.
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>>86824600
Thousand Sons too, or at least I think they don't.
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>>86824633
Right, totally forgot about the nerds.
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>>86824637
They're prob going to get birb heads because lol beakies. Or worse jackal heads so the Burning of Prospero can be reenacted with goofy animal helmets to match the Space Wolves upgrades
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>>86824626
Yeah, well, go get a legion that can take melee breacher elite units then. There's no shortage of those.
It's not like *actual* melee-geared breachers would be anything beyond swapping a boltgun for a chainsword, anyway.
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>>86824413
To suffer is to live anon, keep going.
Or swap your legion to IW to an easier scheme.
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>>86824481
What green is that? Nice dread
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>>86824626
>I want melee units with shields
Here's a melee unit with shields.
>Noo, not those, they're limited, they don't count.
Okay, here's non-HQ melee units with shields.
>Those don't count either.

Melee breachers would be total dogshit in a fight anyway.
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>>86824451
>Flanked by a pair of Terminator Sergeants and an honor guard of Despoilers, Consul Delegatus Linnaeus Epsilon approaches a parley on Sadras Morth. There are no known survivors.
I'll get a better pic tomorrow when it's not 2am.
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>>86824656
>It's not like *actual* melee-geared breachers would be anything beyond swapping a boltgun for a chainsword
I know, but it still needs to be supported by the rules.
>Melee breachers would be total dogshit in a fight anyway
They don't have to be good, they just have to look cool.
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g'day, lore query if you wouldnt mind. siege of terra, behind the wall i have determined the loyaylist legions to be

imperial fist
blood angel
white scar
black shield
shattered legions (iron hands, slamanders, ravenguard)

am i missing anyone/is that list correct? i know some Dark angels turned up but i think they were somewhere else?
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>>86824475
Looking good anon. Kinda bored of painting Space Marines myself, I might go back to my Custards
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>>86824849
Sick! You use them yet?
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>>86824855
Alpharius too
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>>86824951
Yeah, they are a bit lacklustre with BS2 and T5 in 2.0. But I take them anyway. It looks cool. Style over substance.
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>>86825009
T4 lol
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>>86825009
Good on you man they look rad.
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>>86824569
Lets go
I can yiff too TS helmets or boring RG shit
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>>86824173
black shields all the way then chose rules every time you want ti try something.
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>>86824679
Thanks. It's Vallejo Gunship Green. It's had a bath in AK Streaking Grime so the color is actually darkened down a bit from how the green usually is.
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>>86824855
Technically all legions had some presens on Terra by the time of the siege, if not exactly in big numbers.
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>>86825029
Thanks anon, they're prints btw.
All that is left are a few transfers.
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>>86824944
Beautiful work anon. Especially the face.
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>>86825137
Thank you, it's a really nice color for SoH.
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>>86824475
very nice anon. what colours did you use for the gold?
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>>86824494
>They need to be usable in ZM.
don't be a pussy
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>>86825370
Elaborate
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>>86825430
jump packs are legal in ZM
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why is every youtuber that talks about this game so shit at the game and full of wrong opinions?
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>>86825459
I dunno I don't watch tabletop youtubers except for painting and modeling tutorials
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>>86825531
good
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>>86825459
because they're literal no-games who only cover 30k for the clicks, as it's a mildly fresh gw product

as soon as arks of omen (or whatever the next heavily marketed gw thing will be) gets officially released they will move on to be shit and full of wrong opinions at that, too.

Personally, I have been unable to find a single decent HH focused youtube channel that doesn't just do batreps. I just want some speds talking about how they like and are passionate about the game, kinda like how MESBG has the comfy GBHL people. Is it really that much to ask for?
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>>86825540
>Is it really that much to ask for?
apparently
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Am I reading this jet pack rule right?

In my head it says you can activate it, move 13” (base 7” for thallax + 6” for jet pack) shoot your guns then scoot 6” after shooting.

Have I missed something bc that seems strong
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>>86825688
that is exactly what it does, yes
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>>86825688
Yeah it's mental. If you really want you can then charge, getting you on to an objective
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What does /HHG/ think about jetbike command squads? I know they are expensive, but man, they seem to go fast and hit hard. Especially if you give them power fist + lighting claw
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>>86825688
you seem to have too many braincells to play mech
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>>86825688
I heard they are pain to assemble tho
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>>86824944
Properly applied decals and shitty paintjob is not something that I expected to see today
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>have that one friend who doesnt mind Primaris in heresy "because GW will do it eventually"
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>>86824625
Why RG? I'd expect them to be near last.
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>>86825990
did you see the UM helmets?
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>>86824413
At least you settled on a scheme, I painted and repainted my AoD marines four times and now they have lost detail and need stripping but I'm not sure I'm going to bother. At this point I just want a despoiler box to come out so I can slam some reavers together and do a black 1st company scheme. Fuck SoH green. On the flip side I managed to pick up abaddons claw nice and cheap so my Horus is getting a chaosified upgrade.
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Hello there, hhg
I'm half considering starting a mechanicum army for next years and was looking for some advice what to get first for a casual 1k list

I was thinking of something like

Some sort of support arch/magos, one squad of myrmidon secutors, three squads of thallax with multimelta, or maybe two squads and a triaros, and finally a thanatar cavas.
With upgrades and all that, it should be around 1000p, but I have no idea if it's solid enough and a good starting point.

Any help is appreciated, thanks
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>>86825540
I'm just gonna say it - I miss Templarscrusade01, the big ol' gormless lump. Yes, he was a proto-Valrak, but you could feel the passion for heresy gaming in every 720p-filmed potato model he showed off.
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>>86825990
he could at least have the decency to say "oh they're just tall mk4"
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>>86826045
If you're doing small point values do yourself a favour and just stick to Zone Mortalis-friendly lists. Standard unrestricted HH sucks shit under 2k.
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thinking about getting into horus heresy as I recently discovered a pretty active community in my area, but am a bit overwhelmed with everything. I played 40k in highschool (5th edition), read a few novels, and have lurked around for quite a while, so not new to the setting, or the basic idea behind the game, but still not really sure what I'm doing as I'm trying to figure out my first list. planning to pick up age of darkness soon, but trying to figure out a basic list so I'm not completely blind when building everything.

planning to go death guard. should I consider picking up a weapon sprue to get a squad or two of heavy/support squads, or is it better to keep all 40 marines tactical?

is converting the terminators into grave wardens a good idea, or would it be better to keep them as is?

generally, is there anything I should/need to keep in mind when building a list?
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>>86825709
>>86825748
There seems to be a lot of things that are flying under the radar. Like this Lacyraemarta rule. Which allows you to battlesmith an infantry unit and instead of healing it make it move their Initiative x2 inches. Its super cool!

My idea is to ally in some Salamanders Fire Drakes (since they are sworn brothers of the mechanicum) and put a few Magus Dominus in the squad with them with Machinator arrays for repeated battlesmith shunt moves to catapult some Catafractii across the board turn 1!

I call it the "Lacyraemarta Shuffle!"

>>86826045
I play mechanicum and honstly whatever you get you are probably going to be weaker than equivilent points of Marines by virtue of this being the Horus Heresy.
Don't let that stop you though. Me

>>86825801
True that's why I'm going 3rd party
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>>86826045
fuck forgot to finish >>86826145

For 1k points that seems to be pretty tough, at 1k i'd say go more Thallax as that gives you 9 scoring bodies not 6.
Don't sleep on the magus dominus and other HQ's as repeatable battlesmith is great.

Speaking of which High Techno Arcana where you thinking of?
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>>86826068
holy shit, anon
I completely forgot about him. Your post just brought back memories I didn't know I still had

maaan, yeah. That guy's videos had a very nice charm to them, damn.
I remember finding his channel because I was looking for assembly instructions for some recast model I got from chyna, and then continued watching because of the comfy, wholesome vibes of his content.

You made me nostalgic. Thank you anon
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>>86826026
I mean... primaris were made during the heresy and just not used for 10k years for no real reason. Them having armour that kinda looks like something worn during the HH is the least retarded part of their lore
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Predict the rules of the Iron Hands' new seeker unit.
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>>86826086
thats the thing
he doesnt even use primaris models in games

I think hes just looking for a way to defend primaris in general, given hes also fine with GW replacing marines with primaris in 40k
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>>86826098
I don't really know what a ZM-friendly mechanicum list is. My local group is just four marine legions, which is why I was looking at a completely new faction to maybe freshen up the meta.
Also we've played a lot of standard 1000 to 1500 matches and they were actually quite enjoyable for everyone involved. Somehow even more so than the 2k and 2.5k we were doing.

>>86826145
My models being worse is not biggie to me. I'm a retard with like a 20% winrate because I like to do dumb shit, like ramming a 1hp predator with a demolisher vindicator that still had its main gun operational, or.. you know using a demoliosher vindicator at all. I'm too much of a sucker for rule of cool, and robits sure seem cool.
>>86826160
More scoring, got it. The arcana that caught my eye is the Artifica Machina. Ranged healing sounds nice, and the d6 haywire shots also sound nice.

thank you guys for you replies, I'm really unfamiliar with mechanicum and I appreciate your advice
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>>86826249
oh I thought he was a 40k player wanting to use his current models in a new system
nvm he's just retarded
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>>86826255
well hes an iron warriors player, so it checks out
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>>86825716
Paying 80p for a T4 model with no invulnerable save would be really fuckign stupid imo
You are 1 lass cannon or melta shot away from loosing a very expensive dude
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>>86826145
Third party thallax, where do you get those?
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AL heads today GET
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>Fluff
folder/yM1yWIba#ETw9ELPJmEScSrM9Wwj
>HH1 Black Books
folder/s9xQ3CiA#9a594y1utfRGxKLxiIy2aQ/folder/QkpUCIhK
>Rules and Supplements
/folder/ZlFBCaRL#Uw_6_tb1NVTUrldEP4xmLw

How do I use this?
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>>86826351
mega
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>>86826337
it'll be IMC rules today r-right?
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>>86826372
need the key to access fluff mega. any chance you know it?
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>>86826253
If you like rule of cool with the Mechanicum one of my fave things to use is Macrotek Arch Magos allowing you to move up to 3 pieces of terrain up to 6 inches, letting you mess with the board (pg 100 Liber Mechanicum) or using Ephemera Perfidiae (pg 95) to make enemies vehicles and robots shoot their own troops
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>>86826398
Sorry no
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>>86826391
Just play Solar aux you got two kidneys right?
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>>86826105
Just start off with a dreadnought, two troop choices and an HQ. If you dig the painting, and the rules expand your army from there.
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>>86826391
You should probably expect militia to get their rules after the full release of 40k guard
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>>86826507
dreadnoughts are cringe, don't listen to this man
take termies instead
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>>86823678
Why are all the space wolf models except leman russ so horrendously bad? I swear I am going to learn green stuff sculpting just to get interesting special units.
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>>86826538
it's GW telling you to not be a furry
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>>86826372
Thank you so much, didn't realize it was .nz and not .io
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>>86826547

they are doing an excellent job of that. this thing makes me laugh every time I see it.
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>>86826215
Apart from the earflaps being about the only thing they share with the HH-era marines.
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>>86826105

since you mentioned possibly getting the AoD box, do what both >>86826507
>>86826516 these anons say. Contemptors are based. Cataphractii are based, either as plain legion termies or grave wardens. Use them.

Personally i'd turn 30 beakies into tacticals so you have a decent amount of scoring units, and the rest 10 into some heavy support squads, perhaps with multi-meltas in a rhino (since DG can move and shoot at full BS with heavy weapons) or lascannons. Besides that, Rhinos never hurt anyone.

Also, since there is a very active community in your area, i'd recommend talking to them to get the overall vibe of the group, see if they're the kind of people you'd enjoy playing against. Nothing sucks more than buying, building and painting an army and only having shitty people to play with.
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>>86826602
>Contemptors are based
cringe*
mega cringe even
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A few years ago there used to be a mega link here for the books of the HH, was that taken down by games workshop jews? I have other sources, but it was so convenient...
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>>86826628
See >>86826351
>>86826351
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dumb lore question since im a bit of a newfag but im struggling with the whole fall to chaos thing a lot of the previously loyalists had
were there people who rebelled because they didn't like the emperor leaving, didn't like the human bureaucracy taking over etc - but then pulled out or whatever when chaos started being chaos-y? It's the main part im struggling with atm, like i can understand being tempted by 'hey horus might let us be more autonomous or i can gain power by rebelling with him so i'm not crushed' but struggling to turn that into 'i now enjoy torturing people on a mass scale' and various chaos-y shit.
Were there not legions or chapters or army units or whatever that rebelled for personal reasons but didn't want to go full sicko mode?
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>>86826649
Yes I checked, unless they're in the fluff mega which needs a key there seem to only be eight books in the second link? I'm on book 51 or 52 now.
I'm not talking abut the rule books, I'm talking about the stories.
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>>86826689
it was kinda the chaos gods "gotcha" for the most part, like once you've betrayed the emperor they're kinda the only choice you have
to turn against both the gods AND the emperor would be suicide
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>>86826689
There would have been some - they often became blackshields - but the sway primarchs held over their legions was significant. plus, once you turn on the emperor, it's hard to turn back.
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>>86823678
Got a game tomorrow , enough time to paint up the last pyroclasts so I can play with a fully painted army

Post some models wankers
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>>86826689
Only the Word Bearers, Emperors Children and Sons of Horus turned traitor because of chaos. The Thousands Sons too I guess.
With chaos when you get your toes wet you're fucked innit

The other legions turned for other reason.
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>>86826689
its a mix that ranges from some populaces having chaos traditions that predated the Imperium and going to hiding before coming back when Horus offered liberation, to others having massive grudges and wanting revenge so badly they embraced chaos without complaint, to actual attempts by the legions like WB and other cults to subvert them. Quite a few didn't like where it was going and they got brutalized. Generally it's a 'see which way the wind is blowing' type deal and in fact most systems outside the main warzones probably didn't know much about chaos or even that Horus had fallen at all. He was Warmaster and the Emperor had left so they should follow Horus.
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>>86826689
>'i now enjoy torturing people on a mass scale'
There is a bit of everything. NL were already doing that before chaos was involved in any way
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>>86826844

>Word Bearer: This supernatural force empowers those who senselessly inflict pain and misery on others, also if you do some really edgy stuff you might even get to become immortal.
>Night Lord: Shit nigga I'm doing that already for the hell of it, where do I sign?
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>>86826844
NL got guilt tripped into joining after nuking Nostramo, he only reason he wasn't punished was because he was needed to bring Horus and the OG Istvaan traitors to justice, before the reaveal at the Dropsite massacre.
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>>86826689
There were quite a number of Raven Guard and White Scars that were like that. The White Scars were very close with the Luna Wolves and the Khan could have very easily have fallen in with Horus, and many of his sons did but later came back either after the heresy or even earlier when they realized how different Horus had become from what they remember.

Most Terran members of the Raven Guard were much bigger fans of Horus than their own primarch, since they may as well be mini Luna Wolves themselves. They were either exiled and returned later for one side or the other or just stayed out of it altogether and picked neither side. Horus was incredibly popular amongst many astartes and they would follow him as warmaster, but balked at what he became during the rebellion.
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>>86826919
I would add - while some were exiled, the battle of gate 42 was as big if not a bigger factor.

Pert's autism led him to challenge Corax into grinding his legion's face off the enemy, despite Corax having a valid alternative. Corax put all his terran boys in the vanguard, and suddenly found himself free of most of his would-be traitors.

Perturabo - so fucking stupid he helps the loyalists.
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>>86826943
Perty hated the traitors too after Fulgrim date raped him, without Perty the traitors would never have made it to Terra or inside. He left the seige too in NU-lore.
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>>86826943
The battle strategy was Horus' idea. Perturabo was the one to tell Corax to "stop being a faggot and to attack the gate" and Russ told Corax to do what Horus ordered.
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>>86827014
>without Perty the traitors never would have made it to Terra
you can say that for any traitor legion really. The IW made no difference to Istvaan III and IV which were the biggest victories Horus attained (Calth too I guess) and the IW failed to eliminate the Fists so they were the only traitor legion that failed to occupy or defeat a fellow legion. The EC wiped out the IH, the DG turned the Scars into a minimal threat, the TS fucked up the yiffs and the NL and WB kept the biggest threats at bay despite having the most inferior legions.
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>>86824492
the tip of the sword broke off which is pretty annoying but the rest was still intact thankfully

>>86824869
yeah I have no clue how people just paint marines all day, you gotta have a healthy rotation of models

>>86825290
scale75 decayed metal, zenithal VMC gold, wash with MIG dark wash and then reapply the gold to the aquilas and filigree
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>>86827132
Its like eating your dinner before you get to the desert

Gotta paint the basic marines before you get onto the fun stuff
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>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/24/heresy-thursday-focus-your-mind-bullets-with-these-thousand-sons-upgrade-kits/
MAGIC!
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>>86826253
I just meant build to your chosen point value within the restrictions of the ZM format, so like avoid tanks and the bigger robuts and no knights etc, stick with infantry and dreadnought-equivalents. The problem with playing the full version of the rules at low points is it's much easier to "break" the rules even accidentally, especially if you don't allow list tailoring before a game(and what civilised people do?).
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>>86827167
As societies advance they converge towards the Aeldari sense of aesthetic.
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>>86827167
>>86827203

I actually don't mind it

Actually I like it
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>>86827167
I... don't hate them
Call me a fag, but I like the trim around the right shoulderpad. The vertical grooves under the eyes are also a nice touch, I think. The eye of Hor.. I mean Magnus, and all that. The primaris double ear flaps are kinda meh, tho.
Overall, I genuinely think this is one of the better packs so far. Hope the TS players like them, too.
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>>86826168
Reddit post
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>>86827208
I'd like it if I didn't hate mkVI
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>>86827212
I feel like if you want trim on a shoulder, you'd go for literally any other mark.

plus, it adds more asymmetry.
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>>86827167
Those actually look pretty good for once. They are mk6 and they feel like TS helmets. I'm surprised
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>>86827212
Yeah, they're more stylised than the UM upgrades and they are exactly what I expected 1k Sons Mk VI to look like.
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>>86827203
Bruh they glued sperms to their forehead
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>>86827167
Not the best released yet, but still waaaaaay better than the crappy ones I got for my Smurfs. Happy for you Thousandbros!
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What's more likely after the MkVI upgrades?
>finish up the cycle of legion praetors (IH, Sallies, RG still missing)
>look back at the cataphractii shoulders (they only made 6
>release the militia/blackshields/daemons pdfs
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>>86827318
>>release the militia/blackshields/daemons pdfs
please give me my fucking daemons already, I haven't been able to play them since heresy 1 and I've been waiting since the update
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>>86827318
>Exodus model
>Legion Typhon and Cerberus
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>>86827318
what I hope for:
>Militia and cults, demons, blackshields and shattered legions BOOK

what I realistically expect:
>praetors for the legions that don't have them yet

what I fear:
>GW silently dropping 30k because it didn't end up making the ridiculous profits that they expected
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>>86824637
So did God
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>>86827167
the egyptian eye thing is fantastic, the mix of crimson and gold trim and smooth white is great

now that's good shit I want to see blue rubric made with these now
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>>86827341
if they want to increase sales they should decrease the prices a bit

also marines will sell to oblivion, I have no idea what the actual sales number are for HH but I doubt it's low
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>>86827341
>>86827366
They desperately need to bring out despoilers/assault marines and I think HH will take time to gain traction because new players are still intimidated by it. Also everyone's looking towards 10th edition which will invariably be shit but thats still 10 months of HH with zero spotlight.
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>>86827366
> if they want to increase sales they should decrease the prices a bit
Or release the fucking melee/jump pack/breacher upgrades.

I don't know why they make the elite infantry army range 90% tanks and then wonder why it's not breaking records, for fuck sake.
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>>86827167
>>86827203
I actually like it. Was afraid it would be as bland as other upgrades (like the UM).
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>>86824509
Hey I remember when you started this, nice work.
I think you should add gore to the drill fist.
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>>86827167
The shoulder pads look like the already released achean ones and certainly look asymmetrical with the other mk.6 pad. But by itself it looks good.
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>>86827389
>>86827390
they are releasing things every week, it's only a matter of time until the melee and despoiler arrives.

Only 4 legion upgrades left
12 praetors left (which they tend to announce by 2)
Most Legion Leviathans
Remaining vehicles to plastic

It's gonna take a year or more but they'll come, they'll come
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>>86827523
>12 praetors left (which they tend to announce by 2)
They don't, it's a pretty even 50/50 as to whether they announce them at the same time or split them into 2 weeks worth of releases.

the issue with the assault/despoiler/breacher kit is how important it is. Most armies will only have 1 praetor, each legion praetor can only be used by 1/18 of the playerbase, and folks can kitbash their praetors anyway.

Meanwhile, Despoilers, Assault marines and Breachers are the core of the army - almost every army needs multiple of these. And they've left it so fucking long. I gurantee you'll sell far more chainswords than you do conversion beamer predators.
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damn stripping my minis wasnt really great idea, it's hard because they were painted with shitty paints and im using isopropyl so i put them there for less than a hour and the i use brushes, and also i don't have paints currently. one of the mini is wb contemptor and i don't know how to remove paints from from those lines (toothpick and knife did't work, maybe i need needle)
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>>86827560
building want for them, because everyone who wants them is gonna talk about how they want them, so when they get released I bet you'll see people going
>FINALLY!1!1!1!!
>LET'S GOOOO
>BREACHERS :DDDDD

it's marketing or just schedule/corpo-shenanigans
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>>86827167
Damn they’re pretty good. Kind of makes me want to collect them now honestly, always liked the whole idea of the TS.
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>>86827132
Yeah that speartip looked pretty scuffed, definitely put him in the backlines of any photo ops
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>>86827318
Pls gw… let the loyalist isstvan legions get some praetors, special characters, or just anything. The neglect is so painful
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>>86827565
La’s totally awesome works best for stripping models, i find
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is this fucking legal?
>spartan drives "into" a building that it can't fit into
>models disembark through a wall
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>>86827636
>TS got mk6 upgrades before RG

Will RG be last? Or is GW still torn between having AL as last because
>le last primarch(s)
and
>le twist, not le last this time
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>>86827203
>no nemes for the sergeant
One fucking job.
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>>86827668
legal? yes, though it doesn't make any sense
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>>86827589
that doesn't make it not shitty.
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>>86827688
It can make sense at that scale, but doesn’t in general. That tiny little building could probably get bowled over by a spartan and some cataphractii
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>>86827709
sadly there's no rules for tanks just straight up demolishing buildings as they drive through them
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>>86827676
RG will be second last unless something external changes it up.

- EC got pushed back behind IW so they'd line up with their praetors
- WE got pulled forward for Khorne day
- DG got pulled forward to line up with their praetors.

so unless the RG praetors are coming a bit later than the upgrades would, they'll be second last.

Though, second last is a step up for us.
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>>86827718
Ravenbros and sallychads are truly the most spurned legions from gw
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>>86827728
IH hands too
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>>86827733
iron hands hands too
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>>86827728
>>86827733
>>86827737
RG have the most limited line overall, then Sallies.

Then it's actually the iron warriors, the other neglected istvaan legion. Then it's between IH and WE
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>>86827737
While i tend to agree, iron hands did get cataphractii pads and a special iron father hq. It is not much, especially since you can’t get the pads anymore, but it is still two more than RG or sallies
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>>86827728
>>86827733
you mean the 3 legions that got completely wiped out at the start and did nothing the entire heresy? yeah wonder why
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>>86827167
>They’re beakie and not pseudo Mk. IV
It’s sad that I’m only excited by this because 3D modelers will make a bunch of other TS helmets now

Also I was kinda hoping for a SGT head with long hair
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>>86827765
Almost every kit in the HH line existed pre-heresy. Also, IW is similarly neglected, and they were Horus' workhorse.
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>>86827772
>Almost every kit in the HH line existed pre-heresy
then why don't they call it the pre-heresy line?
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>>86827746
Iw is not great but they do have a special praetor no longer for sale, available on some recasters. This makes them about on par with the other iron bros, but i agree that they could use a non termie special unit
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>>86827780
IW have only one unique unit model compared to the rest of the legions who at least have two
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>>86827779
because... because the heresy would have been fought with the stuff they had immediately before the heresy broke out?
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>>86827765
And what did the imperial fists do during the hetesy besides fight a space battle and the siege, but look at all their models. No, it’s not about whether or not they didn’t have many forces fighting during the war, rather it’s just what gw wants to give them. Isstvan was one of the heresy’s top battles, so it’d make sense to give players more units to use in it.
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>>86827780
I don't recall any IW praetors.

>>86827801
IW have 9 kits total. Sallies have 8, RG have 7, IH/WE have 11, and the other legions have up to 17
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>>86827801
Yes this is what i said
>>86827822
Nârik Dreygur, a praetor level model that was a fw exclusive, for events i believe. It’s pretty neat, and recasters still have him
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Night lord Xiphon nearing completion
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>>86827902
nice
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>>86827728
>>86827733
#MASSACRED
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>>86828014
That is one big deredeo
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>>86828028
4u
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>>86825453
No they aren't, and jump packs are gay in general.
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>>86826215
The dudes were made during the heresy, the armor wasn't.
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>>86828051
you're pretty bad at reading, anon
ESL?
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>>86826626
Contemptors and Leviathans are based.
All other dreads are cringe.
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>>86828080
all dreads are cringe and contemptors are the worst of them
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>>86828086
>all dreads are cringe
This. Pre-dreadnoughts is where it's at.
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>>86828086
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>>86826704
Just about to give these black chonkers a fresh basecoat. I am going to paint them in tandem.
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>>86828112
Who doesn't enjoy the Ironclad Era

>Can give it more armour ?
>Sure but it will make it bigger
>Well can we fit some more guns on to it then?
>Sure why not

And thats how you end up with design masterpeices like this
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>>86828072
I don't know which ruleset that is from, but in my playgroup, and in every store i've ever been to, jump pack units are not legal in ZM.
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>>86828127
I am impressed by your willpower and dedication , painting my spartan fucking drained me of my desire to paint for at least two weeks

This going to be Iron Autists ? I think I see the legion symbol
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>>86828086
What an incredibly gay, disgusting, and most of all wrong opinion.
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>>86828156
>I don't know about the current ruleset but
>lies
>lies
>lies
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>>86828164
this is exactly what I think about people who actually like those wannabe tanks
disgusting walking boxes
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>>86828156
your playgroup and every store you've ever been to got the rules wrong, you should correct them
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>>86828201
Why would i correct them if i also think that jump pack units don't belong in ZM.
You're on a spaceship floor with a ceiling. You can not use a jump pack.
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>>86828211
I see you'd rather join them in being incorrect than admit you're wrong
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Why'd they leave ZM out of the core rulebook? I want to see it republished in a campaign book. Also throw in some plastic breacher squads and terrain
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>>86828237
Yes, because it's the objectively better rule. What kind of retard plays with the official rules if he disagrees with the official rules?
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>>86828245
>because it's the objectively better rule
jump packs belong on spaceships, you're just a retard and surrounded by other retards
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>>86828211
>Why would i correct them if i also think that jump pack units don't belong in ZM.
Because your opinion has nothing to do with whether they are correct or not. Once they know the rules, they can continue as they are, accepting it's a home-rule, or they can allow jump packs. Either way, if they think the rules inherently disallow jump packs, they are wrong - and if you allow them to continue to be wrong because you don't like the official rules, you're somewhere between a cheater and a coward.

> You're on a spaceship floor with a ceiling. You can not use a jump pack.
Because no marine ever used jump packs to charge forward.
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>>86828244
And add melee options for breachers while you're at it.
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>>86824173
Uhhhhhhhhhh Word Bearers.
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>>86828253
Also arnt 30k Ships meant to be fucking massive ?

Like surely a jumppack would be useful if you were fighting in a multi-level hanger
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>>86826215
>>86828071
None of it was made during the Heresy, it began to be made during the Scouring.
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>>86828252
>jump packs belong on spaceships
No they don't.
>once they know the rules
I'm assuming they do, houserouled it, and taught me the game with their houserules in mind.
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>>86828330
>taught me the game with their houserules in mind.
then your friends are ultra mega retards for teaching you to cheat
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>>86828338
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>>86828286
do we actually have any evidence they used jump packs in the void? I'm also not sure what jump packs use as fuel, they sort of seem like jet engines that pull air in to superheat it using the reactor so it expands and is forced out the back but that wouldn't work in space.
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>>86828364
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>>86828387
No Idea, im just going off the descriptions in the books where they describe multiple level hangers / embarkation decks , so to me it would make sense you board with jump packs to get an advantage when fighting on multiple levels

Unsure what they do for fuel, i think in 40k it says they use them in the same way as a powerpack so surely it would just use that source?
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>>86828315
You're right, it stretches back to the Great Crusade:
>"For his raw material, Cawl had selected warriors of Terra, and had taken them only a few generations after the original Imperial Fists had been created by the Emperor. Indeed, some had been held in stasis since the days of the Great Crusade; a few of the Primaris Space Marines could recall having seen Rogal Dorn himself."
-8e Codex: SM
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>>86828436
wtf i didn't know this, some person can use this to have actual primaris in his 30k army.....
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>>86828161
Correct you are.
Actually painting them at the same time is less effort than making them into two wholly separate objects.
My willpower is absolute.
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>>86828436
>>86828448
Dudes being in stasis couldn't be Primaris. Guilliman ordered them created later, and it was only done with the Sangprimus Portum, which was found after the Heresy.
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>>86828436
Currently looking at the 8th Edition Space Marine Codex , will report and see if this is legit
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>>86828436
Even assuming we were to acknowledge your ridiculous trannylore,
>at some unspecified point, but by implication after a significant period of time had passed, Cawl defrosted some dudes who had been alive during the great crusade and made them into his magical gayboys
is not the same thing as
>there were Primaris during the Heresy

In conclusion; fuck you, fuck Cawl, fuck Primaritrannies, fuck GW. Good day sir, I said good day.

>>86828330
Or you're playing somewhere that isn't a space ship corridor, you illiterate twerp. Read the ZM article again.
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>>86828470
no no, it works.

If Cawl was just kidnapping and stasis-ing marines for decades, maybe centuries before Guilliman ordered the primaris.

Maybe primaris - and every character involved with them - are just utter cunts.
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>>86828448
To be fair, it only says test subjects were gathered as far back as the Great Crusade and I don't think that line has been repeated in the 2nd 8e codex nor the 9e codex. Both 8e codexes do contain this bit:
>"It was the Sangprimus Portum, a device containing potent genetic material harvested from the Primarchs, that allowed for this breakthrough. Entrusted to Cawl by Guilliman shortly after the Second Founding, this device resulted in a new breed of Adeptus Astartes that were deployed en masse in the Ultima Founding. Due to Cawl’s interpretation of his orders and the millennia-spanning labour of his task – during which Guilliman was injured and suspended in stasis – the secrets of these new Primaris organs were not released until late in the 41st Millennium."
Indicating Cawl didn't even get the primarch material necessary for the project until the 2nd Founding, and because of clever GW writing, sat on the secrets for 10,000 years until daddy came back from the store and gave him the ok.
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>>86828502
>If Cawl was just kidnapping and stasis-ing marines for decades
The first marine to become Primaris was Marneus Calgar. Before him all Primaris were made from boys, as per standard Marines.
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>>86828484
1st codex (2017), pg. 21, under Seeds of Hope.
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>>86828500
Of course primaris didn't exist during HH, but the project clearly did, according to that bit, as Cawl specifically put the people in stasis for the primaris project.
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>>86828546
He clearly put people in stasis for the project that hadn't been ordered yet?
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>>86828524
This Nigga is right.

Still I will look on someone with utter contempt if they use primaris in 30k
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>>86828546
>Cawl specifically put the people in stasis
Nah, there just were people in stasis. The project was ordered by Guilliman after the Heresy, and Cawl was just a low rank riest during the Great Crusade.
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>>86828563
I look on someone with utter contempt when they use primaris in 40k. Bad is bad.
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>>86828585
Primaris are cool though.
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>>86828387
Actually we do have this guy from Extermination
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>>86828559
>>86828576
In a bit about primaris space marines, it literally says:
>For his raw material, Cawl had selected warriors of Terra, and had taken them only a few generations after the original Imperial Fists had been created by the Emperor. Indeed, some had been held in stasis since the days of the Great Crusade
He had taken them and put them in stasis, for the project. They were not random people already in stasis he just decided to use for the project because they fit the bill. They were taken to be material for the project. So clearly the project was under way earlier. How else could Cawl put those people in stasis for the project?
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>>86828613
>Gunther
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>>86824481
>neat 3rd party torsos for reaver squads
Would you post a picture and link for said torsos? Reavers are why I started my SoH.
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>>86828638
> Points out a plot hole
> Says it proves his crackpot theory
Yeah, no, bad writing doesn't make you right. For this to work, the primaris project would have to be underway pre-heresy.

Which is bat shit crazy
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>>86828338
Since when are houserules cheating?
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>>86828663
since always?
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>>86828638
>How else could Cawl put those people in stasis for the project?
He didn't, some were just already in stasis.
>>For his raw material, Cawl had selected warriors of Terra
Cawl took Terrans to use as raw material.
>>Indeed, some had been held in stasis since the days of the Great Crusade
Some of these Terrans had been in stasis since the Great Crusade. This does not mean they were in stasis to be a part of an unlaunched project.
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>>86828576
Considering that they had a WD article in the Horus Heresy section about the fall of Barbarus, which clearly happened after the heresy, the Horus Heresy timeframe now also includes the Scouring, simple as.
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>>86828663
Teaching houserules without making it clear they are houserules and explaining where they diverge from the main rules is cheating. because you're presenting them as just rules.
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>>86828667
Are you legitimately retarded? Houseruling is a completely normal thing that almost every playgroup does.
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>>86828698
Barbarus fell during the Heresy because the Lion was butthurt.
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>>86828676
learn to read
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>>86828698
The fall of barbarus is stated to happen shortly before the seige.

learn to read you gormless shit
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>>86828716
normalised cheating, but against the rules all the same
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>>86828662
>it's bad writing because it doesn't agree with me
Oof.
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>>86828722
I did, hence why I'm not confused by a couple of sentences like you.
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>>86828732
>It's explicitly stated that the primaris project was started by gulliman - something he would have only had the authority to do post-siege
>It's explicitly state that cawl took subjects for the primaris project as early as the great crusade, a time-period that precedes the seige.
That's a clear contradiction. It cannot possibly happen. Thus, bad writing. I don't need to agree with it, I just need a vague understanding of which direction time flows in
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>>86828760
>>It's explicitly state that cawl took subjects for the primaris project as early as the great crusade
Actually it says some subjects came from that time period, not that they were taken for that purpose at that time.
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>>86828770
yes.

but when all the legions were so desparate for any marines that they were busting out half-formed monsters and up-jumped kids, nobody wanted to dip into this imaginary supply of marines in stasis? nobody considered that? Those marines in stasis for no particular reason?
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>>86828779
>nobody wanted to dip into this imaginary supply of marines in stasis?
They weren't marines, just boys. The first marine to become a primaris marine was Marneus Calgar.
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>>86828794
just boys who you would describe as "Warriors of Terra" and who had seen Dorn himself?

might want to watch yourself there mister fantastic, you're stretching.
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This paint scheme is simple! Why is it taking me days to get a single squad done!? I don’t understand. Please help me /hhg/

Here’s my process
>Prime leadbelcher
>base WB red
>Abaddon black weapon grips
>Brass Scorpion on the volkite
>Stormhost silver over pipes, lenses, and ribbing
>Shade nuln oil
>Black Templar over ribbing, shoulder pads, and pack top
>Waystone green and spiritstone red over lenses
>clean up WB red and leadbelcher
>White, flashgit yellow, seraphim sepia, casandora yellow, and carroburg crimson for the legion symbol
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>>86828813
>just boys who you would describe as "Warriors of Terra"
Yes. The Legions recruited from such fearsome children generally.
>and who had seen Dorn himself?
Remind me, is Dorn the Primarch with invisibility powers?
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>>86828725
Seek help
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>>86828834
>Remind me, is Dorn the Primarch with invisibility powers?
On a planet of an uncounted hundreds of billions? Yes. To all but a statistically insignificant number you bet your ass he is.

And people don't call kids like that warriors. Fierce, sure, but not warriors - especially not on Terra, where they don't have anything to have to fight. They're capable, but not warriors.

Also;
> Cawl just happened to select the right subjects for the primaris project - without annoying the marines, whose recruitment stock he was impinging on - several hundred years before anyone knew there would be a primaris project
or
> GW's writing is dumb and they didn't think about it.

Which one makes the fewest assumptions?
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>>86828072
>>86828500
>>86828723
I don't need to read you retarded faggots.
If i say the rules are x, the rules are x.
If i say the fluff is y, the fluff is y.
Simple as.
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>>86828760
>something he would have only had the authority to do post-siege
Yes, God forbid we have a primarch giving out secret orders they have no authority to give. Makes you wonder why Guilliman even chose a literal nobody, rather than going to the top brass of Mars with his request...
>>86828770
>not that they were taken for that purpose at that time.
So when in the bit that talks about the primaris, and it says Cawl "had taken them only a few generations after the original Imperial Fists had been created by the Emperor," it's a meaningless sentence that doesn't mean anything, instead of meaning that they were taken (to be put into stasis) as raw material (for the primaris project)?
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>>86828640
It's a hot hot summer night.
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>>86828888
Oh, so you're just fucking retarded. Got it.
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>>86828889
>Yes, God forbid we have a primarch giving out secret orders they have no authority to give.
Okay, so are you proposing that the whole primaris project is literally a heretical venture done without the emperor's permission and against his wishes while he was still alive? because that's one hell of a jump.
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>>86828869
>On a planet of an uncounted hundreds of billions? Yes. To all but a statistically insignificant number you bet your ass he is.
So he is in fact able to be seen. Cool.
>And people don't call kids like that warriors.
Yeah they do, and there was still stuff to fight n Terra, if nothing else then themselves.
>> Cawl just happened to select the right subjects for the primaris project - without annoying the marines, whose recruitment stock he was impinging on - several hundred years before anyone knew there would be a primaris project
Nothing says they were put in stasis by the order of Cawl or that they had been in stasis for hundreds of years, he could just have found some dudes in stasis.

>>86828889
>So when in the bit that talks about the primaris, and it says Cawl "had taken them only a few generations after the original Imperial Fists had been created by the Emperor," it's a meaningless sentence that doesn't mean anything, instead of meaning that they were taken (to be put into stasis) as raw material (for the primaris project)?
It's not meaningless, it just doesn't mean that guys in stasis from before the heresy had been put in stasis by Cawl for the purpose of the Primaris project.
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>>86828833
Are you batch painting them? As in, paint each identical part on each marine before moving on to the next part?
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>>86828933
>it just doesn't mean that guys in stasis from before the heresy had been put in stasis by Cawl for the purpose of the Primaris project.
Right. Just for no reason at all they mention said people were selected and taken as raw material in the lore bit talking about primaris space marines. Not connection there what so ever, completely fabricated connection and clearly the simpler answer is something totally different we can't even fathom.
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>>86828933
>Nothing says they were put in stasis by the order of Cawl
"For his raw material, Cawl had selected warriors of Terra, and had taken them only a few generations after the original Imperial Fists had been created by the Emperor."

So this sentence - the one from the book - it says that Cawl selected them himself, and that he took them. Not that they were taken and he later came into possession. That Cawl took them only a few generations after the first imperial fists.

> or that they had been in stasis for hundreds of years
The time between the above line and the scouring is hundreds of years. So either they were taken then, or they survived hundreds of years in the meantime.

Funnily enough, young boys don't tend to survive hundreds of years. And if they do, they're not typically young boys anymore.

We're going to need to expand the periodic table, I've discovered something new and super-dense.
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>>86828964
Yes. One color/paint at a time
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>>86828977
>Right. Just for no reason at all they mention said people were selected and taken as raw material
They were, but again that doesn't mean that was the reason they would originally be in stasis.
>So this sentence - the one from the book - it says that Cawl selected them himself, and that he took them.
Yes, but it does not say what state they were in when they were found. Some were in stasis since the great crusade. Cawl clearly selected some of them, but could not have been the original agent of their stasis.
>The time between the above line and the scouring is hundreds of years.
No it doesn't. In fact since they Terran boys have seen Rogal Dorn they were probably originally put into stasis sometime after him taking up the Praetorian job.
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>>86828931
>are you proposing that the whole primaris project is literally a heretical venture
I can't imagine what sort of sub-humans would claim otherwise and think primaris are not heretical abominations.
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>>86828991
>So this sentence - the one from the book - it says that Cawl selected them himself, and that he took them.
Yes, but it does not say what state they were in when they were found. Some were in stasis since the great crusade. Cawl clearly selected some of them, but could not have been the original agent of their stasis.
>The time between the above line and the scouring is hundreds of years.
No it doesn't. In fact since they Terran boys have seen Rogal Dorn they were probably originally put into stasis sometime after him taking up the Praetorian job.
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>>86829025
> but could not have been the original agent of their stasis.
Could have not been.

Could not have been means it's not possible.
Could have not been means it's possibly not.

You don't want to argue the former.
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>>86829058
>You don't want to argue the former.
I do though, I wish it to be know that I think he couldn't possibly have been the one to put them into stasis during the Great Crusade.
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My take away from this long, pointless bickering about shitty latter-day 40k fluff is that is if the Emperor was aware of and supported Cawl and the Primaris project, then Horus was right.

He never wanted this, but let the galaxy burn.
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>>86828654
I got mine from the print shop called ArchiesForge found here https://archiesforge.co.uk/collections/traitors-sons/products/reaver-bodies-truescale-x-5 . They're listed as TrueScale so maybe they're a little tall, but not too bad. There's some pretty good helmets and shoulderpads, the guy on the right has a shoulderpad from the MkIII set

However the designer of the bodies is someone called "Damsa". I found this after a quick google https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/horusian-reavers so if you have your own printer or access to a friend with one maybe you can adjust the scale to your liking.
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>>86829050
>No it doesn't.
Marines were in action no later than 703.M30.
The scouring began in 015.M31.
That's a span of 312 years.
How long are you proposing a generation to be that "Only a few generations" spans most of those 312 years?
Remember that the generally accepted length of a generation is 20-30 years.
Unless you're saying by "Only a few generations", they meant "The entire timeline from the inception of the marines until the heresy".
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>>86829091
So you're saying that some other forces just happened to select the perfect subjects for the primaris project - which they didn't even know was going to exist - that they took these subjects, held on to them all that time, that cawl somehow discovered these, took them, decided they would be perfect for the primaris project, and then used those?

Do you not see how ass-tearingly convoluted that is? Can you possibly believe that's good writing?
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>>86829095
>if the Emperor was aware of and supported Cawl and the Primaris project
If the emperor knew, he would have given cawl the material.

The key to the primaris project was the fragmented remains of the data from the raptors project, which was in turn given to corax by the emperor.

Why would he not just give it to cawl directly, rather than give it to corax, hope the AL fucked that up but not too much, that some of the data would survive and be delivered to guilliman who would then give it to cawl?
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>>86829008
So, what's the holdup then? It's not that much of a drag to get one 10-marine squad ready.
Just listen to an audiobook or some podcast, prep your paints, water and brushes and go ahead. After an hour or one, two, take a break. Rinse, repeat.
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>>86829107
>How long are you proposing a generation to be that "Only a few generations" spans most of those 312 years?
From a perspective of ten thousand years in the future, even the inducti of the late Heresy were only a few generations removed from the originals.
>Unless you're saying by "Only a few generations", they meant "The entire timeline from the inception of the marines until the heresy".
Pretty much, yeah.

>>86829115
>So you're saying that some other forces just happened to select the perfect subjects for the primaris project - which they didn't even know was going to exist - that they took these subjects, held on to them all that time, that cawl somehow discovered these, took them, decided they would be perfect for the primaris project, and then used those?
Sure.
>Do you not see how ass-tearingly convoluted that is?
It's only convoluted if you try and phrase it like that. I'll put it simply.

During the great crusade some people were put in stasis for some reason. Cawl came across these people at some point after being given his mandate. Being that he was working a bit under the table and in need of test subjects he decided to take them.

Easy enough to follow, I trust.
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>>86829179
>Pretty much, yeah.
Okay, so you're either literally too dumb to talk with or arguing in bad faith. Either way, I'm done with you fuckstick.

> During the great crusade some people were put in stasis for some reason.

You're really pulling the "Somehow, palpatine returned" schtick? And arguing it's good? Jesus christ.
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>>86826704
Using a rattle can to apply the basecoat at 11C/52F outdoor temperature actually went well. I was hesitant at first because the Cerb is legit FW, but I took a leap of faith.

The trick to outdoor spray painting is to keep the rattle can itself warm, which I did by keeping it soaked in a bucket with warm water when not in use.
A weak but steady afternoon sun took care of the rest.
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>>86829236
>Okay, so you're either literally too dumb to talk with or arguing in bad faith.
Neither, "a few" is not a set number, and there is no proven way to calculate generations of Space Marines. You have decided this must be a very short time frame because you don't like the fluff. It's that simple.
>You're really pulling the "Somehow, palpatine returned" schtick?
No. I'm just not elaborating because it's never been elaborated on. If you want I could come up with some reason for people to be in stasis, but it's really not relevant.
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>>86829097
Those reavers look dope!
Is the mk III truescale too or is it the normal plastic?
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>>86828833
>my paint scheme is simple!
>11+ steps

anon my painting process is like 6 steps
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>>86829097
Very cool, thanks anon.
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Is it weird when you choose armies based off of colors?
>first army was pastel blue mechanicum
>second was navy-ish NL
>missing warm colors so red/gold custodes next
>missing green now so going with a green-black solar aux
thinking of making my SoS silver with purple-pink tabards
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>>86829095
Corax made better marines after the dropsite
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>>86828244
>Why'd they leave ZM out of the core rulebook?

The current version is simplified over HH1/7E ZM. I expect the reasoning was that they wanted to expand it fully in a later publication. Given we're not even 6 months into this edition that still seems pretty reasonable.

>>86828259
That's what Indo squads are. Better Wounds too.
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>>86829369
Yeah, but 5 of those are yellow.
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>>86829552
>That's what Indo squads are
Yeah but those are terminators, and the worst pattern to boot.
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>>86828109
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>>86827765
The dropsite massacre was lit fr fr no cap
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>>86824413
Squads of 10 in the heresy? Bro you should be running 20 man tactical blobs.
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hello frens, if a buddy and I were to start from complete scratch (I haven't played 40k since 6th, never played HH) what point level would be best? 500? assuming we don't just buy the starter box (I want other armour marks).
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>>86829767
That's a big pissboi army
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>>86828732
It's bad writing because it doesn't agree with itself, you mongoloid. The Primaris project cannot simultaneously have been ordered by Guilliman *after* the Heresy AND already being worked on before or during the Heresy.

If you weren't such a desperately dim lover of trannylore, you'd have simply said "I agree the wording is dumb, it makes more sense to think that Cawl froze people after the Heresy who were old enough to have been active during the GC" and we wouldn't all be laughing at you right now.
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>>86829790
I'd aim for 1k but you could start with 500pts, as a long term goal aim for 2k pts.
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>>86829916
Where does it say Guilliman ordered the project after the Heresy?
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>>86829916
Didn't you read the book Sons of Selenar where hecking Sharrowkyn stole the primaris rubricon and slept tight.
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>>86829790
I'd recommend only playing in Zone Mortalis (more restrictive army construction, close quarters fighting) games at sub2000 points but 500 is a good starting point to start dipping your toes into gameplay as long as you plan on expanding.
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>>86828833
Part of making a scheme quick is also making the steps themselves fast. While you have a very clean look with lots of contrasting colors adjacent one another which takes time to do without spillover.
Where did you get those mkII bodies?
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>>86829790
You should absolutely buy the starter box if you have nothing. Its such an insanely good deal, especially if you split it so you each get 20 mkVI minis. You will still have lots of room for other marks as you build up your dudes. If anything you can just use them to play with while you paint up other minis.
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>>86829369
Then how do I simplify this?

>>86830059
Hellforged Miniatures. They have a patreon. So far they have Mk. II, Mk. IV, Mk. V, Cataphractii, and legion specific releases for SoH, WB, IW, and NL
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>>86829353
Yeah, I can't wait to get them some painted up. Trying to burn through my tactical marines so I can have the boring part of the army done like a good boy

The MkIII guy is all stock except for his shoulderpad. He's standing on top of the sand so that might be bumping up his height a little bit.
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>>86830127
>prime
>basecoat the red (preferably with an airbrush)
>paint black
>paint all metallics in same steel color
>paint icons
>all over enamel wash
>reapply whatever colors you want to establish highlights
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>>86830127
>Hellforged Miniatures
Thanks for the pointer
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>>86830153
Nice, feel free to post more pics of your reavers when you do. I'm on the fence to get some as well, but I need to finish other stuff first.
That makes sense that mk III guy looked taller than usual.
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>>86827118
>the DG turned the Scars into a minimal threat
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>>86827118
NL got fucked hard by the DA, who then went on and destroyed then traitor backlines and advanced on terra, forcing the duel with the emperor.
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>>86829767
Bro, like put in a carpet or something.
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>>86827118
Only Perty and Morty were reliable primarchs in Horus roster, the rest were unhinged lunatics with their own agendas.
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>>86830595
No coincidence that their two legions plus the SoH were the ones to make up the main push to Terra
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>>86830392
Makes sense given the entire traitor strategy could be summed up as "Avoid the Dark Angels at all costs"
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I'm confused. Morty's supposed to be gone.
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>>86831098
retardbro, did you really think there wouldnt be 30 prequel and flashback novels before closing out the series
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>>86831171
They're definitely gonna do a Scouring series aren't they
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>>86831238
I'd be down as long as we get Red Talons and Brazen Claws kino
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>>86831278
MY NIGGA
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>>86831238
There's going to be a series going all the way back to the Unification Wars, Men of Iron, the Emperor before he showed himself to mankind, etc. You mark my words.
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>>86831290
tbqhwy I've always been interested in the Brazen Claws but reading about Moonman warmed me up to the Red Talons
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>>86831355
Brazen Claws are cool because they have that nice checkered scheme, but Red Talons seem more like the direct descendants of Mor's merry band of psychos.

I do wonder though - both the Red Talons and the Brazen Claws have the Morragul clan company symbol as their Chapter emblem, I guess implying that Mor had so many men under his command by the 2nd founding that the legit had to split them up into 2 chapers.
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>>86829548
Corax mad e inhuman abominations that had to put to death, BL raptors are a garbage concept like Nu-Prospero, and the webway project.
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>>86831380
That has been my read on it as well. Dude knows how the Iron Hands tick and with the surprisingly high number of IF survivors (relatively speaking) it's no wonder a whole bunch of those rallied to his banner, as he offers *exactly* what they want.
I'm honestly surprised the man lived through the heresy, his approach to warfare ought to have gotten him killed several times over.
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>>86829548
>Corax made better marines
Me mostly made a bunch of barely-human monsters that had to be euthanized.
And he threw out the Terran veterans, i.e. invariably those guys that WERE the better marines in nearly all other legions, for more or less no good reason at all.
So, in short, he made a mess.
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>>86831532
"I have special eyes"/10
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>>86831636
Corax really is up there for worst loyalist primarch. It’s basically him or ferrus, who retard charged fulgrims fortifications and got himself and his best troops killed
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>>86831885
Ferrus gets a pass from me since no matter what he did he was boned. Even if he retreated with his men with Corax and Vulkan it really wouldn't have changed much.

Besides, you're forgetting Russ for worst loyalist primarch.
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>>86831581
>I'm honestly surprised the man lived through the heresy, his approach to warfare ought to have gotten him killed several times over.
Personally I headcanon that the super secret stuff that Mor took from Bodt was some kind of way to revive himself from death, since that was something the IH dabbled with a lot. That way he can still lead his chapter from the shadows even into 40k.
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>>86831532
Disdain for the earnest/
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>>86826567
whars wrong with it?
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>>86829767
I don't think I have it in me to paint another 20 tactical marines. I was gonna have the two squads and maybe give my justaerin a bannerboy to give them obsec
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>>86831991
>Russ
oh fuck you're right. far and away the worst primarch. basically fucked his legion over what, three times? guess they gotta be reduced to chapter size somehow
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>>86832032
thats cool, but I always imagined it was a way to rapidly produce marines so he could rebuild his legion and show the traitors what he can do in a fair fight.
I wish I liked the Iron hands rules more, or i'd totally build an army like that
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>>86831885
>>86831636
>gets rid of the horus sympathizing terrans in his legion
>gets his marine project fucked over by BL alpha legion wank
nah Corax is fine
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statistically, whats better? a paragon blade or the terranic greatsword? gonna model them the same way so looks don't matter
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>>86832418
>modeling a paragon blade as just another sword
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>>86832472
No, no, as a big sword.
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>>86832472
its my understanding that paragon blades can be any form of blingin' blade. terranic greatswords are specifically blingin' swords, so it would fit with the rest of his boys.
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>>86832418
Probably the Terranic greatsword. They are pretty close desu but the rending 5+ with S6 gives you a bit more of a chance agaisnt a dreadnought or a vehicle I think.
Ap 2 base is good but with half the chance at murder strike I think you are probably gonna end up doing the same with both agaisnt a normal terminator. Agaisnt something with more wounds I'd bet on the terranic sword.
Terranic sword is also 5p cheaper and that's half way into making it master crafted as well
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>>86832623
thanks. for what its worth i'm planning on throwing the greatsword on basicaly all of my independent characters. I guess thunder hammers are probably better but i'll be playing fluffy games against my buddy so min maxing isn't really on my to do list. kinda just curious if the paragon blade was better
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>>86831098
Oh fuck, he definitely dies. I honestly just wanted ONE of the Knights Errant to live past the Heresy to found the Inquisition

The ones who go to Titan don’t count
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>>86831348
Eventually Warhammer becomes a WWII historical game
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>>86831532
Shade the upper side of the eye, down to make him look like his eyes are more narrow to fit the expression. Nice work on getting the eyes straight though.
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>>86832734
>Oh fuck, he definitely dies
Or does he...
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>>86833182
what a mind fuck that would be
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>>86832734
eh, it's fluff not crunch, but Garro's got a 4++/3++ in challenges, with a 4+ WAKE ME UP INSIDE rule as well

he's not likely to win that combat in almost any circumstances, but there's a strong chance that Mortarion simply gets called away and uses his Fuck Off Now power to disappear

they're close enough matched in WS that in a Challenge Garro could feasibly survive the number of hits Morty's likely to land, thought even failing one save would of course mean the end

he might make it

or he might die and come back as some bullshit later on

doesn't really matter does it (though he still has a toy to sell, so it'll either be the Most Ebin Death or a fake-out)
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>>86833189
But not totally impossible either. What keeps Garro going is faith -- what if he loses it after the Emperor's internment and falls during The Scouring?
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>>86831098
he just got better
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>>86832680
Thunder hammers are over rated anyway. Most times power fists are more than enough, and striking at initiative 1 with unwieldy just means you're dead before attacking against dreadnoughts.
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>>86832472
Reminder that a paragon blade can legally be anything you want it to be.
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>>86833475
He's playing DA, though, so it behooves him to make it a sword. Deathwing is a nice buff.
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I don't give (You)s to WAACposters.
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>>86833475
What are some cool Paragon Blade ideas? I’ve mentioned it before but I’m giving my Lord Marshall a power chainsword. Each tooth has an individual disintegrator field
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>>86833519
Blackstone sabre
Monomolecular rapier from a matter gun
Sentient mercury whip
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>>86833519
I am a fan of polearms. Take a stick and stick a cool blade on the end. I built up a SW praetor for an aborted project using a nemesis force halberd with the blade swapped for the deathwatch xenophase blade. Looked pretty boss.

Failing that you could always go full orientaboo and go with a whip sword, kusarigama, or three-section-staff. Paragon rope dart anyone? Maybe just be a dick and rock the paragon kpinga.
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>>86833519
Paragon Blade Ring
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>>86833475
I got the FW Sons of Horus Praetor and was going to replace his pistol with a Paragon Blade so he could dual wield a power fist and the blade.

This opens a lot of options for what that extra weapon can be. The pistol just feels kinda dinky
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So how do you guys feel about people using xenos like Trazyn the Infinite or Eldrad
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>>86833987
As what? they have no rools.
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>>86833182
current gw doesn't have the balls for that
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>>86834016
Trazyn has rules in 5e 40k and Eldrad has had rules since 2e. Shouldnt be that hard to make them work hell in late 7th they ran a batrep for gathering storm letting trazyn release troops from tesseract vaults
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>>86832742
from marine to german mirror matches



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