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Remimder that a single Dalek can solo all of 40k
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>>86785667
Maybe not a SINGLE Dalek, but a small group of Time War Daleks like the Cult of Skaro? Yes.
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>>86785667
They can't even shoot the Doctor properly.
Also DW is a series with immensely wasted potential, and in an unintended meta irony (what's with the Doctor saving lives) works as visual chronicle of increasing degradation of Britain.
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>>86785667
And yet they are defeated by stairs.
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>>86785667
I think 40k is one of the dumbest, most uninteresting, most nonsensically incoherent and obnoxious fictional settings ever created.

Yet I'd read 5 40k novels before I'd ever watch a single Dr. Who episode. It makea 40k look sane. It has more passion behind it than 40k, but that passion manifests like a schizo tripping on PCP.
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>>86785838
Who books are stranger things or so it seems.
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>>86785667
Single dalek can't take out an australian punk with a baseball bat, like 40k is inconsistent but anything doctor who related is not really something to compare.
Also single standard dalek is basically strong yes, but has no way to time travel, and can't exactly take being shot by say...a titan.
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>>86785667
Reminder: Slenderman is more powerfull than the the whole setting of 40k combined
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>>86785867
There's 60 years of lore from hundreds of different people of wildly different writing skill and extremely inconsistent views on the show and what it should be. Maybe it makes sense if you invest all your attention to it, but I dunno. It probably has a few more high moments than 40k's quality spread of either "bland piss" or "dumb shit" but that's all I can give it.
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>>86785667
This very much depends upon the era of the daleks in question. Time War Daleks do in fact shit all over 40k, whereas other, lesser daleks are more manageable.
That being said, the Daleks have reliable time travel, whereas 40k has Orikan who can semi-reliably go back in time to a limited degree. In almost all iterations the Daleks win by virtue of their ability to simply go back and abort 40k in the cosmic womb.
>>86785806
They've been able to fly for fucking ages.
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What kind of fucking retard decides what franchise to like based on how powerful the characters in it are? I get that stupid people are attracted to displays of power, but surely even they are capable of seeing that works of fiction can easily just declare something arbitrarily powerful and there isn't any substance to it?
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>>86785667
Yeah I doubt that. It probably couldn't handle a mind crush. Plenty of that going round in 40k.
Also the whole logistics issue. Thing probably can't get around easy. Probably gonna get stick on some stairs and jumped by a bunch of necromunda gangers who saw off his wiggly bits and spray paint ove4 his camera and turn him in to a sort of resentful mascot.
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Does the BBC hate Games workshop how come they never did anything like ever
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However bad it's at times, to say nothing about later companions, ultimately, time capsules and some tech things are the best things that came out of it.
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>>86785931
>Just declare something arbitrarily powerful and there isn't any substance to it?
Except in the case of the Daleks it's shown. The Daleks waged war across all possible moments of all possible realities against the people who reckoned wizards were cunts and replaced magic with the laws of physics and were winning. The Reality Bomb was undoing the universe just by existing in a state where it COULD be detonated.
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>everyone on screen is just guys shooting guns at each other
>novel adaptation says that they are a multiversal empire that can return from total destruction at any point because they're completely unbound from linear time and regularly blow up universes off screen and have continuity manipulation powers that are conveniently negated by the guys with the guns
My least favorite thing in space opera.
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The daleks could give a good accounting, but i think ultimately they'd just end up being yet another looming existential threat in a universe full of them. 40k leans too hard into the grimderp ultraviolence for Daleks to have any real impact.
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>>86785943
>It probably couldn't handle a mind crush
Daleks have constant active suppression of anything other than disdain for anything not pure Dalek and the urge to exterminate all life. On top of that they're all linked across time and space in a giant gestalt network of data sharing. Any attempted mental assault on a single Dalek will find itself facing all Daleks everywhere, throughout all of time.
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>>86785963
It's great and all, but Daleks aren't particularly imaginative, if modern who is anything to go by.
I mean, really, after all the stuff I've heard about them and then watch 11th episode's with them?
Droll. Even bowships are better at serious suspension of disbelief and they're silly.
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>>86785977
So not a single dalek then
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40k has immaterium, with all the problems it has.
It will just be another great time war later on, except with more enemies.
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>>86785667
>Remimder

what the fuck
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>>86785968
Dr. Who claims to be super cool and deep and serious, but ultimately its mary sue race of uberunstoppable transmultiversal alien annihilators are midgets in slow-moving trashcans with foam bulbs taped onto the front. 40k isn't good either, I'm not a fanboy of either.
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>>86785968
>books speak of wondrous tech prowess, untold hard to imagine things, eldritch abominations and so on
>people in actual series don't remember that they have pockets except in most special occasions
A sci-fi show which doesn't have gizmos lying around at all. And let's not start on that ridiculous "reprogramming" scene during finale of reality bomb situation.
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>>86785991
A single Dalek physically present, but an attempt at mental assault will be up against all Daleks.
>>86785995
The Immaterium ain't shit. It's a local psychic phenomenon with a discernable beginning. Daleks can just go back in time and blow up the Old Ones while they're still cavemen bashing each other with rocks.
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>>86785947
Citadel actually made Dr.who miniatures
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>>86786031
>all Daleks
So not a single dalek then
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>>86786005
Technically capsules are alright and time lords are actually both flawed, highly inhuman at times when veneers fly off, highly unjust on occasion, especially their ancestors, very much beatable and have enemies surrounding them that are even worse and more terrible.
Entire setting is just one big cosmic horror that's partially alive because there are two dude man things fucking with things, and it's all a foregone conclusion since sooner or later Event 2 shall come in, as will that other universe, and none of it matters since it's all giant retcon war galore.
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Forget daleks what happens between the cybermen and admech?
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>>86786031
It's not actually local, it's comparable to void or other dimensions just psychic, the sort of early universe irrational thing. Now galactic history and causal conditions that ruined the warp from its calm normal state into mess? Those one can fix.
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>>86786073
Not to mention that if they start utilizing the warp, instead, that would be terrible. Daleks are emotionally terrible entities.
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>>86786052
You're a retard.
>>86786062
Cybermen are basically Mechanicus endgame. Their tech isn't even remotely heretical by techpriest standards, it's all human origin and fly as fuck.
>>86786073
That's fair, I should have specified I meant Chaos. That being said, if we're talking about Time War daleks, editing the 40k universe to not have the Immaterium at all isn't really hard to pull off.
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>>86786087
This has come up before in these threads, and while the Daleks have no reason to use the warp, a Dalek Chaos God would be utterly reviled by the Daleks, it would recognize its inferiority in the form of not being pure Dalek, and then kill itself after, or preferably in the process of, killing Chaos.
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My little sister can beat both a Dalek AND all of 40k.

What do you say now power level wankers?
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>>86786106
It may end up like that dalek seer who looked into the time vortex, as well, I think.
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>>86785756
>They can't even shoot the Doctor properly.

That's at least partially because the Doctor has literal plot armor, as in, the actual rules of the universe he exists in will bend slightly to protect him, and all Time Lords for that matter. Plus it's been shown at various points that the Doctor actually has inhumanly fast reaction speeds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CRNKAb8hsI

>>86785806
A real Dalek doesn't use stairs, it levels the building.

>and can't exactly take being shot by say...a titan.

Why would a lone Dalek ever allow itself to be in a position where it could be shot by a titan?

>>86786062
Admech is upgraded. Resistance is useless.
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>>86786147
Yes, Daleks are hard countered by plot armor. They will destroy a zillion unimportant legions and planets before one named commissar confronts them.
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>>86786091
I'm jot the one insisting that all of them counts as one of them. You have help you didn't do it on your own.
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>>86786147
I know, but I always find the notion of cybernetical systems not being able to act with perfect precision all the time rather amusing.
Anyhow, Doctor's plot armor is both more or less justified, and he does have immense work on his shoulders.
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>>86786112
On what grounz? Where are your grounz? Why don't you have any grounz?
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>>86786195
She made a story where she was being chased by Chaos and Daleks and then she said "pshewww" while pointing at them, then she said that they all died.
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>>86786164
>All of them counts as one of them
For the purpose of a mental assault, yes. Because that is part of their lore, it is a basic fact of Dalek function. Saying that it invalidates the premise is disingenuous.
If we are allowed to simply ignore lore as we wish, then I declare that psychic beings don't have the power to mentally assault people, they can only conjure lightning and fireballs and shit.
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>>86786160
>Daleks are hard countered by plot armor

Except the difference is that plot armor in 40k is just bad writing. The plot armor of Doctor Who is an actual fact in the narrative itself.

Plus consider that this actual, literal, exists-in-the-narrative plot armor extends to the Time Lords as an entire race, and yet the Daleks were winning the Time War, and had actually reached a point where they were capable of building devices that were at best theoretical to Time Lord science, like the Voidship.

Between that, the Reality Bomb, and the fact that the Daleks were able to just delete two entire laws of thermodynamics beyond the ability of anyone to restore them, there's a strong implication that by the end of the Time War the Daleks were to Space what the Time Lords were to Time, its utter and complete masters.
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>>86786209
Time Lords seem to stagnate somewhat.
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>>86786209
>Except the difference is that plot armor in 40k is just bad writing. The plot armor of Doctor Who is an actual fact in the narrative itself.
Same thing, except that you didn't like the former.
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>>86786214
>Same thing
Unless you can point to me the passage in 40K lore that says that the laws of reality itself will bend around Imperial commissars, it's not the same thing at all.
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>>86786213
When you live in a society basically free of causality and everyone lives basically forever, you don't really have a lot of incentive to improve further. Daleks only kept improving because their murderboner for existence lasted way longer than four hours.
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Time travel is usually a very bad idea in 40k and seems to have plot armor against it.

Back in rogue trader days dr who was referenced as a possible encounter but I doubt even his plot godhook could fix the setting
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>>86786239
Pity they lost Omega then. I don't recall, did he participate in the war against Daleks?
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>>86786208
>Because that is part of their lore
So is the shadow in the warp, so I guess it gets psychically obliterated by a swarmlord at some point and whatever useful genetic code it has makes its way in to the hive fleet.
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>>86786223
Time Lords don't have plot armor, the Doctor has plot armor. All of the unimportant time lords were losing with all of their "in universe plot armor" and then the Only Person Who Matters made his final stand to stop them. Forget the commissar, or a guardsmen, the "Home Alone" kid can kill a dalek.
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>>86786275
Isn't it silly how they saved all the Gallifreyans just to kill them all again in latest season, eh?
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>>86785667
Couldn't any random daemon or psyker instantly kill them? Can't think of any examples of daleks defending themselves from sorcery.
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>>86786271
>Tyranids accidentally get symbiotic nuclei
Now that's horror in the making, I think.
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>>86786271
That doesn't track at all. Why would the Shadow disrupt the network, it doesn't rely on the warp in the slightest. Besides that, how would the swarmlord kill the Dalek before the Dalek kills it? The plunger arm thing is a gun that disintegrates whatever it hits if fired at full power.
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>>86785914
Eh even at their near weakness the daleks had a space empire had were able to turn planets into space faring ships. Would be a neat minor xenos faction that
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>>86785667
What if an ogryn pushed it to its side so that it couldn't get up. What then?
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You guys wanking off the daleks are so cringe they are the most boring Dr.Who antagonist around.
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>>86786443
yeah the Cybermen have forced the doctor to regenerate more than his defacto baddies
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>>86786443
It's a kids show, anon, it can't be helped.
Anyhow, was Davros really Doctor's greatest enemy as he called him in his latest meet up, in classic Who?
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>>86786475
No that would always be The Masters spot
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>>86785667
Bulshit. One of the doctors assistant's beat the shit out of one with a baseball bat. !980s british soldiers shot one to bits with stenguns. They are just armed mobility scooters for retarded blobs.
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It’s hard to understand when dealing with Time Lords and mainstream (ie, not weirdo individuals and strange cults) Daleks but think of it like this. The Daleks can completely surround the Dr with no apparent way to defend himself and the Daleks won’t even TRY to attack. Why? Because they KNOW or maybe just ASSUME, sometimes, that any attack will fail and probably backfire harming them. Because they’ve attacked him near-infinite times and it’s always better to hold fire. So they hold fire. Don’t fuck with the Dr. Let the Dr go do his thing. And, sometimes, even the Dr may be of assistance to them. Why? Because, interesting, the Daleks actually appreciate the beauty of the Dr’s hatred (for Daleks).

The cool thing about the Daleks no other big SF setting does is how they merge HATRED with COLD LOGIC. They purely hate everything not them, and their voices are like screams, BUT also strictly enslaved to autistic machine-like logic.
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Dr. Who and 40k have a lot in common.
>both made by left-wing brits to soapbox their views ("haha britain should be a socialist atheist state amirite guys, silly white men")
>both have gotten increasingly aggressively woke in tandem with the decline of british society and culture
>both are scifi space operas (ie scifi that doesn't make any sense nor tries to)
>both have a large crossover fandom with my little pony
>both have annoying fanbases ("haha screwdrivers!! xD exterminate", "haha blood 4 teh blood god xD heresy")
>both are worked on by midwit-at-best writers who can't or don't want to try to make it on their own
>both are hated by the people who originally made them (even if the original guys weren't exactly great it's still funny to think the OG dr. who guy hated daleks and wished it had been an educational show, r. priestley hates everything about 40k now)
>both have a main villain that's stupid overpowered in the lore but just stupid onscreen ("daleks can wipe out universes with their minds, they drive tiny garbage cans on wheels that can be knocked over and blown up with a baseball bat", "chaos is eternal and all powerful, its retard demons and retard marines run in and get slaughtered in droves")
>both are considered nerd culture in a very basic superficial sense, with the likes of rick and morty, bob's burgers, etc
>both are largely based on other fiction and don't have too many of their own unique ideas
And most importantly
>both are incoherent messes of shit
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>>86785896
>GIMMEE 20 THRONES
>GIMMEE 20 THRONES
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>>86787216
It's not particularly hard to merge hatred with cold logic.
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>>86787262
>to soapbox
I never got that impression from either work, honestly, then again I'm not British nor am aware of author's personalities of these works.
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>>86787279
They both have shades of it, but Dr. Who seems to lean more toward antireligion and 40k leans more toward antigovernment.
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>>86787262
Don't forget
>both have interesting technological devices and concepts
Which in DW case don't matter as much as they are ought to, at times.
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>>86787044
The Daleks are not static technologically. Different Daleks from different eras have more or less advanced technology. Yeah some 1980s British soldiers were able to shoot some to death at one point. But then we've also seen Daleks from different eras just shrug off gunfire entirely.
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>>86787292
I'll agree there yeah, the technological stuff both of them do is actually pretty good.
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>>86785667
Yes, but at the same time there are many beings in 40K that could destroy that Dalek before it does that.
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>>86785667
The Decepticons can take on 40k and the Daleks
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Can a Dalek defeat........ him
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>>86785667
>>86785727
Bullshit. 40k has canonically the Doctor going around.
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>>86786209
Plot armour is doctor who is not an in universe justified thing that at. That is just a shitty fan theory made up by people that can't accept that the reason the Doctor has survived so much shit is because it's a TV show.
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>>86785667
>Sit on top of the Dalek's head and start going monkey mode on the gun with a hammer
>It can't do anything
Nice unstoppable alien menace you have going on there m8
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could a dalek beat a stand user thats the real fight

also im retarded just like op
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>>86785667
They're just metal Tyranids. Like Necrons, but worse.
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>>86787262
>left-wing brits to soapbox their views
40k satirises (at least it used to) theocratic fascism. unless you are somehow posting through time from francoist spain, poking fun at that is not a particularly left-wing position
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>>86785896
That's sort of what happens if you don't specify a version and where like two out of the big three depictions of him and up being multiverse-enders, yeah.

>>86785972
Any Time War Dalek is an existential threat that could and would wipe 40k out in a week, tops. They don't function on the painfully slow timescales of 40k factions.
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>>86786062
Nightmare in Silver Cybermen blow up the galaxy. GG.
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>>86785667
Nah. Also Dr. Who is fucking gay
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>>86786290
Lesser things than either the Daleks or Time Lords wielded magic capable of reality warping solar systems into whatever they wished, turning suns into bagels, or outright destroying universes just by entering them. Chaos does not compare.
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>>86786209
>The plot armor of Doctor Who is also bad writing.
ftfw
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>>86789816
They predate literally every invention in 40k by actual decades.
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>>86785667
>he has to keep making 40k Vs threads because no one wants to talk about Dr. WHO
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>>86790012
Chaos wins
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>>86785977
So you can piggy back a single Dalek ro find fuck the rest of them theoughout all time and space?
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>>86785667
Dr Who on paper is actually kind of an interesting setting in how extensive it is. 40k could honestly fit inside of it.
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>>86790022
Absolutely nothing in 40k was invented in 40k and your one note saltshaker badguys don't get any bonus points from me because they're old.
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>>86790062
Dr Whogivesashit
Dr Literally Who
Dr Who?
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>>86786290
Daleks and Time lords both have a level psychic defenses, it just is pretty much brushed over.

Also time war era daleks would just remove the warp and magic from reality like the timelords once did, so it doesn't really matter.
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>>86787633
>Plot armour is doctor who is not an in universe justified thing that at
The doctor actually does have in universe plot armor, relates to his true nature. But the rest of the timelords don't have it iirc.
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>>86790094
Only because the Carnival Queen wills it so.
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>>86785667
what if instead of Daleks they were called Fartleks
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>>86791459
Nah
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>>86791505
She's among the creepiest entities in there, that was an interesting concept.
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Can't Daleks be defeated by regular guns if you concentrate your fire on the eye stalk?
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>>86792337
Depends on the model of Dalek you're up against
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I always find it funny that people tend to forget that daleks are all psychically linked through the pathweb
Given their complete empire, they would have a tyranid like effect wherever they are, and spawn their own warp god which they would then kill for being impure if the cult of skaro doesn't try weaponizing it.
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>>86792337
The reason that is their "weakeness" is its the only spot not covered in physical armor. As >>86792347 says, it ends up depending on the dalek. Daleks with their more advanced shielding technology don't care where you shoot as nothing short of a time war weapon is getting through, other daleks will be killed if the bullet is "bastic" or whatever, and more primitive daleks would need a fairly large caliber but a shot through the eye would work.
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>>86792367
I find it funny this thread is literally just a handful of retarded Dr. Who autists that keep making these threads and posting the same dumb headcanon over and over again because no one actually wants to discuss Dr.Who unless its in 40K VS thread
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>>86792389
Dr Who and Table top games don't really have a lot of overlap, as the setting doesn't work for /tg/. Thats really the only reason that it appears is due to a versus thread.
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>>86792402
There's an excellent Dr Who tabletop game though. I haven't played it, but I hear good things from folks who have.
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>>86792402
It appears because retards want to jerk themselves off about daleks and say "um actually my head canon is definitively the outcome"
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>>86792419
>jerk themselves off about [thing]
thats most fandoms. They are full of autists.
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>>86792437
But it's only bad when fandoms I'm not in are doing it!
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>>86792402
Then take it to /tv/ where it belongs retard
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>>86792492
Barking up the wrong tree mate, I'm not OP.
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>>86787574
Could I get a citation on that one?
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So what does the Dalek do against swarm tactics? Like cool, it has a gun that can kill anything in one hit, but how does it deal with 1 billion guardsmen? Does it just have to shoot them all one at a time?
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>>86792639
>So what does the Dalek do against swarm tactics?
Depending on the dalek in question, it could just erase humanity in one shot. One of their weapons erases an entire species from all of space/time in one shot, but in a manner that causes them to all feel the burning sensation at once because daleks are edgelords.
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>>86785667
A single set of stairs can solo all of Daleks
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>>86793010
1972 called, it wants its Dalek joke back.
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>>86785667
What's a Remimder? Is it another retarded Dr Who alien? Whatever it is, it can't be as bad as a Dalek or anything from the WH40k universe.
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>>86785947
Citadel started off doing licensed miniatures for RPG companies like TSR and FASA, including some Star Trek and Doctor Who minis for FASA's official RPGs for those series. In fact, the second plastic kit GW ever produced (right after the Skeleton Horde) was a box of Daleks and Cybermen
But GW very quickly stopped taking on other companies' licenses in favour of expanding their own Warhammer IP, so stuff like that just doesn't happen anymore. GW only let other companies use the Warhammer brand nowadays, rather than producing stuff for other companies
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>>86786202
Seems reasonable. All hail this guy's sister, destroyer of Chaos and Daleks.
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>>86790062
I'd honestly love to see how The Federation, The Vulkans, and the rest all reacts to and interact with 40k factions. How would the Mechanicus react to the replicator? How would the Imperium see them? Chaos? Who would fall and when? The shit Humans pull in that universe is about as ludicrous as it gets.

>>86792449
See I never got these versus threads. The one who wins is the one who the author decides wins. Fucking Popeye could defeat Superman, Goku, and Saitama at the same time with an arm tied behind his back if the author wished it so. There's no point to them. Not to mention the people who often compare them completely misunderstand, sometimes deliberately, the power or speed of things just so their character can win.
Also being part of any fandom is idiotic. Enjoy it, but the moment you step into the "my fandom is better because x" or trying to justify very idiotic ideas, you're just a moron. Mind you, some ideas are justifiable but are about as dumb as it gets and actively ruin things. Fucking Rava and Vaatu for example. Based in the ACTUAL idea of chaos vs order in a Taoistic sense (chaos, when limited, drives progress, but when there is no limit simply destroys, while order is oppressive amd stagnant, unless it allows for freedom and circumstances and progress), but is presented like complete shit and actively ruin the worldbuilding. Not to mention you need to know Taoist beliefs, which, let's be fair, few actually do. As opposed to the explanation given about stuff in ATLA. Even the fucking Lion Turtle was less of an issue (actually it was less a deus ex and more of a wuxia trope of a move that block chi but is extremely risky, and it didn't just solve the issue as there was still a long fight, not to mention he could have been corrupted himself).
Mad that I brought ATLA into this? Fuck it. This thread belongs in /tv/, not on /tg/, so might as well shitpost.
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>>86785667
Yeah no shit. 40k is frankly mid-tier in terms of sci-fi universes. Compare and contrast with something like Lensmen where the characters are throwing galaxies at each other by the end.
40k just gets attention because it's babbys' first sci-fi that isn't Star Wars or Trek.
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>>86786286
Generally speaking, I discount anything after David Tennant as his writers were the last good ones. Moffat decided to hard reset and retcon literally everything that had happened, undoing years of good story and replacing it with his awful semi-woke splurge. It went downhill from there until we got to today's awful mess. Jodey Wittaker is an awful actress but what the writers have done with the plot is blatant vandalism.
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Daleks are gay
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>>86792402
There are multiple tabletop games.
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>>86794907
And nobody plays them. They exist purely to line the shelves of Dr. Who fans to feel good about consooming merch.
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>dr who is stupid gay shit
>warhammer is stupid gay shit
are brits post-tolkien just incapable of making good fiction?
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>>86785977
That sounds incredibly easy to corrupt via Chaos influence.
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>>86795008
Not really. It's a clothing of absolutely everything that isn't pure Daleks, even other Daleks (the special weapons Dalek for instance, who only exists as a terror unit and exists specifically to terminate itself once it has completed its mission, which it fully embraces).

A Chaos Dalek would either recognize that it has been compromised and immediately self-terminate (after killing everything else) or it would let itself be destroyed by its fellows.
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Dr who?

More like.... Dr gay hue hue hue
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>>86795054
It's a flawed logic to apply notions of the notion of rational idealism to a corruption influence.
A chaos dalek would be too warped in their head to do so, and cybernetics won't be sufficient.
40k Chaos deities are powered by good emotions as well, remember? Things were different in the warp, once.
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>>86785914
Time war era daleks were still vulnerable to man portable weapons, and stupid shit like being hit physically by the Tardis. Sure, a bolter probably wouldn't do much but shit like a Melta would probably do the trick. Plus Psykers are gonna fuck them up, they don't really have any psychic defences

Also, they're all extremely vulnerable to being randomly blown up by crossing a couple of wires at the conclusion of the episode
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>>86785963
The reality bomb was dumb as shit because they've shown there's millions of almost identical parallel universes around. Surely there isn't just one universe where Davros thought that up, and therefore surely there's got to be at least one where the doctor failed or maybe didn't even exist. So that really should have been the end of the show forever, or just been less bullshit sounding
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>>86785963
Right, but that's just a slightly more elaborate form of making shit up. It's still fiction from someone's imagination.
If you draw some superhero lifting a one ton rock and some other superhero a ten ton rock, surely even double-digit IQ people know that it is fake and there is no reason to get more excited by the second guy?
I know that in reality, this kind of association operates on an unconscious level, so it triggers the monkey-brain to get hyped for the 'stronger' character without examining it critically. But when they actually think about it clearly enough to say something like 'this dude is more awesome because his fictional power is stronger than other fictional guy's', surely that should trigger some kind of contemplation about why arbitrary fictional power levels matter?
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>>86796233
It doesn't work like that, reality bomb was a one time possibility. It was conveniently thwarted.
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>>86789939
If you haven't noticed that leftists like to portray everyone they dislike as theocratic fascists, you probably haven't encountered many leftists. Which indicates you are doing something right and should carry on.
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>>86796356
exactly what real world views are being portrayed in the imperium?
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>>86791487
>The doctor actually does have in universe plot armor
What is your source for this?
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>>86796374
Real world views like 'maybe if a specific ethnic group is responsible for abusing tens of thousands of native children we should question if we really want them in our country'. Which according to lefty-logic is exactly the same as 'just hate anyone who looks different because we like hating'. Then they make a 'satire' of the latter and tell themselves they are sticking it to their enemies, who are just people holding the first position.
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>>86793155
Stop shitting up the board with your gay show
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>>86796374
Pro-atheism, anti-capitalism, anti-moralism.
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>>86786076
ELEVATE!
*exterminates you*
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>>86787262
>>both made by left-wing brits to soapbox their views
that feels less relevant to 40k as time passed.
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>>86796253
For the most part people don't get invested for power levels alone, in my experience it's mostly people having their side in fights, or being offended by the perception of people underselling how cool the dude they like is.
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>>86785667
reminder that the Daleks are a parliamentary republic and they have a prime minister
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>>86796598
What's even funnier is that before they showed the solution of that problem in Nu-who, they also showed they could hover in... I want to say it was baker's run?
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>>86796875
Right in the very last Dalek story, during McCoy's run. They even made it into a cliffhanger shocker
https://youtu.be/KGO3AzH2ePo
>Ace: They fly now?
>Doctor: They fly now.

Pic semi-related to pretend that I'm not off topic posting, Warlord are losing the Who license soon so if you want any of their minis now's the time to get them
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>>86796233
The Reality Bomb was only a singular possibility. It's the whole point of Dalek Caan who could observe those same possibilities and understood the horror of the Reality Bomb.

>>86796406
Not him, but several of the novels mention it. I'll try to see if I can find the quotes.
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>>86796168
>A chaos dalek would be too warped in their head to do so,
Special weapons daleks are literally gibberingly insane by nature and even they don't disregard the Dalek creed. Chaos can't do anything to change something so ingrained in Daleks that the only time it's ever been challenged or altered is by literally making the Daleks into something fundamentally non-Dalek or outright lobotomizing them.

>and cybernetics won't be sufficient.
Good thing this isn't a cybernetic thing.
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>>86796217
That same Tardis which can shunt solar systems into itself, crack planets by landing on them with its full weight, and can't be harmed by anything short of the Big Bang or other things on that level? I suppose 40k just has Big Bang-level Melta's lying around?

>Time war era daleks were still vulnerable to man portable weapons,
Time War Daleks have never been harmed by any amount of conventional damage. Even one heavily damaged Time War Dalek that took a fall straight out of the Time Vortex was still noted as being durable enough that it would "blink at a nuke". Not even bastic weaponry, which is the primary way to tear through Dalekanium and kill Daleks, can actually get through a Time War Dalek's shielding.
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>>86797892
The time war era daleks got destroyed by flying rubble in the day of the doctor. Are you going to tell me each individual time lord brick is actually more powerful than the Big bang?
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>>86798090
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if gallifreyans use some bullshit like a hyper condensed neutron star as cement. The writers love throwing bullshit at the wall. Like the doctors absurd plot armor luck that allowed him to throw a ball through a wall without it touch any atoms.

Also you misread the anons post.
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>>86786062
Total Cyber Victory
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How would the silence fair in 40k?
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>>86793912
The only thing 40k has going for it is scale, and even then.
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So as someone who is only familiar with Doctor Who as the funny time travel man with the screwdriver and a random woman he drags along, why haven't these Time War Daleks "won" the setting so to speak.
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>>86798415
Time lords were the ones who fought them and have mostly equalivelent technology.

The doctor has canonical physics altering plot armor and a level of probability manipulation. The daleks actually see him as a more worthy weapon then most of their inventions.

Brits write a bunch of plot holes and don't fix them.

It's dumb fun.
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>>86798415
Daleks are exactly as powerful as the writer wants them to be
Sometimes you can club them with a blunt object and snap parts off, other times they're made of Bullshitium and have super forcefields that protect against all physical damage. Sometimes they can gun an entire room full of people down in one blast of energy, other times they have a precise projectile weapon. Sometimes they move like the wind, other times they trundle along like snails. Sometimes they have vast mutli-galaxy empires (again), other times they're a decrepit and dying race (again). To conquer the universe, they must first conquer the writers themselves
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>>86796746
It's sad to think that everything the "counterculture" in Britain was raging against in the 70s and 80s has since mostly died out and their counterculture is now in charge, and Britain's become an awful hellscape to anyone with a brain that isn't pumping with onions and/or verses of the Communist Manifesto.

Warhammer and moreso Dr. Who (thanks to the live action) both serve as pretty bleak examples of the decline of British society and culture in the past 60-odd years. Shame's replaced pride, hate's replaced love, repulsiveness has replaced beauty, nihilism's replaced morality, and it's gone from "Thatcher is such a bloody tyrant m8 me job is only paying me 10 quid and not 11 quid oi we need a bloody revolution m8" to "I sure hope I don't get stabbed and/or raped in the street by someone who the police are forbidden from arresting."
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>>86798646
>...it's gone from "Thatcher is such a bloody tyrant m8 me job is only paying me 10 quid and not 11 quid oi we need a bloody revolution m8" to "I sure hope I don't get stabbed and/or raped in the street by someone who the police are forbidden from arresting."
Come on now, something like 90% of 16 year old native girls haven't been gang raped by muslims yet and recorded stabbings are still below 1990s levels. Everything is still basically fine so long as you are a wealthy middle-aged person in a rural area.
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>>86786290
That’s because they literally went back in time and deleted sorcery from existence in the multiverse because they didn’t like it. It takes no time at all (pun not intended) for them to erase a daemon or psyker.
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>>86792639
They set the beam on wide spread and open fire. Or, yes, they could kill them all one at a time. Why? Because that allows them maximum ability to indulge in their murderboner for anything not a Dalek. If the Dalek has something better to do or place to be, though, they will just go for the more efficient option (although they’d probably modulate the beam to give maximum pain while being disintegrated).
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>>86797830
As I recall, the novels also describe a Time Lord as an abomination more akin to Yog-Sothoth than anything human. Human is just the skin of the meat suit they wear. Underneath they are something else.
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>>86798415
They were winning. Then the Time War (where they were winning) was “locked off” as part of a last ditch move to contain the devastation so nothing could shift in or out of it. Even afterwards, the “higher layers” of time-aware species were devastated, because the Time War was still ongoing, being a TIME war that raged across the entirety of the multiverse, from before the Big Bang to after heat death/Crunch/whatever. It technically never stopped, it’s just nobody can get into it. Things that fall out of it from time to time usually get stopped by the Doctor eventually, who is on the other side of the lock.
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>>86798415
to be basic, half of reality had to be locked away to contain the time war, since it was being fought in every conceivable point in existence at the same time. and the daleks were winning. I'm not 100% sure but I think the reason the doctor is the "last time lord" is because he was personally involved in locking them out of reality.
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>>86797849
Still no, as there are other means, creeds can be warped.
One just needs appropriate methods to warp them.
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Whatever it is, just use the power stick of Rassilon lmao.
Anyhow, it's rather strange how the man has so many heroic legends, literally made Gallifreyans into what they are, fought against eldritch horrors, and then is shown as a fucking jobber.
I mean, how?
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Reminder that Who setting has capital G in it.
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>>86798868
It's not true deletion, it's a partial one before the anchoring.
At least some overlapping eldritch horrors still can manage to visit n-space, and Time Lords themselves are limited to where they can go to, and in latest series shown how much reality depends on the Doctor, it's in an endless amount of serious trouble.
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>>86785667
>alien from my favorite tv show can beat all of the aliens from your board game
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>>86799033
>pre-2013 retcon
The Doctor used a sentient Time Lord doomsday weapon called the Moment which he used to wipe out both races simultaneously, though a few daleks survived by either hiding between parallel universes or "falling through time".
>post-2013 retcon
The Moment showed the Doctor his future selves who had been guilt-ridden by this decision for centuries, so the "war doctor" could thouroughly consider the ramifications of commiting dual genocide. Instead he works with his future selves to trap Gallifrey in a pocket dimension as the daleks were firing on it from all sides, causing them to wipe themselves out in the crossfire and leave the impression that Gallifrey was destroyed. The Time Lords later managed to escape the pocket dimension but instead chose to hide their planet at the end of the universe since practically every powerful race wants them gone before another war starts.
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>>86798090
Kek
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>>86798868
>takes no time at all (pun not intended) for them to erase a daemon or psyke
Not gonna happen
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>>86799225
wat
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>>86798090
...And here we can see the War Doctor's greatest contribution to the time war, the "NO MORE!" public art piece in classic street vandalism 21st century Earth style, starting at 1000000000000 credits!
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>>86800415
There's a book where he is given a divine mission, gets a disturbing revelation, then gets memory wiped.
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>>86798415
As much as fans and spinoff media writers like to wank themselves off, Doctor Who is NOT a serious setting with any real lore to speak of. It's basically an anthology with a handful of consistent characters - where every episode pretty much runs on an entirely new ruleset. And every so often the entire cast, crew and writing team is entirely replaced, and the internal continuity of the show basically resets along with it.

Worth noting that muh time war Daleks people are rambling about ITT don't even exist in the show canon. We only see Time War-era combat once in the 50th anniversary, and its just generic space soldiers vs daleks shooting lasers at each other.
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>>86800950
>Worth noting that muh time war Daleks people are rambling about ITT don't even exist in the show canon.
The absolute state of Whocucks
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>>86785667
>>86785756
The first four doctors and the associated books were more or less pure science fiction reminiscent of the gold age of science fiction, Terrance dicks for example who invented most of the villains. It was actually very good. After that it was really rubbish extremely poor because the BBC wanted it dead, up to the present day, despite the BBC deciding they had changed their minds and spending money on it for a bit because the writers were mostly rubbish. Should not have been continued after the first four. It has been milking a dead horse for 20 years or longer. Whereas the originals had actually quite profound moral reflection on genocide for example for over a decade it has been used really just to leaden fist deliver 'the message' which is the usual ratbag of ill thought out sjw garbage.
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>>86802271
Terry Nation
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>>86800950
>Worth noting that muh time war Daleks people are rambling about ITT don't even exist in the show canon.
Except this is completely wrong, retard. The Cult of Skaro and that Dalek which plummeted out of the Time Vortex were both examples of Time War era Daleks. The former specifically was the group of less than a dozen who would have blown up the SUN to open the Genesis Ark if thry couldn't acquire the key.
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Daleks lose to Demonbanes and Aquarions. Especially Aquarion Logos who can destroy multiverses.
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>>86786112
But..but,,you cant just make up stuff about imaginary space battles! You have to use evidence (imaginary stories) to prove that your favourite imaginary faction can beat someone elses imaginary faction! Introducing real people into this makes the entire thing seem silly!
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>>86798415
Time Lords and daleks are not the only larger players in the setting
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Guys, I made this thread as a joke. Why are you people actually taking this shit seriously
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>>86803065
>Time vortex

I don't get why people are using this as some kind of feat when some teenage girl could handle it for enough time to wipe out all the daleks, then pass off the power to someone else so they didn't even die
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>>86803528
4chan forgot what fun was a long time ago.
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>>86803065
>The Cult of Skaro and that Dalek which plummeted out of the Time Vortex
And of those only the first Dalek from 'Dalek' is even mildly threatening. But that still just extends to shooting a few people.
The Cult of Skaro are constantly played for laughs, only Caan actually achieves anything (and thats just plot device resurrection for Davros)
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>>86785667
The Lord our God Jesus Christ Blessed Be His Name could solo 40K by forgiving Horus
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>>86804008
Amen.
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>>86804008
The thing with forgiveness is that you actually have to be contrite for it to matter. So maybe Curze gets forgiven idk
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>>86804008
based and christ-pilled
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Been rewatching the modern who series with some friends who had never seen it.
Just finished Blink last night and they really loved that episode.
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>>86786475
Davros (and by extension the Daleks) have always posed as a kind of antithesis to the doctor, a pacfistic xenophillic nomad being confronted with a violently xenophobic militarized group of authoritarians, and in that way, yeah, i'd say the shoe fits.

>>86786511
I'm probably biased by having a lot more experience with new who, but the master's more of a reflection of who the doctor, it's an internal conflict of who the doctor could be.
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>>86785667
>mobile toilet bowl with a plunger glued on
Vs
>literal billions of deathbots that are armed with such powerful weaponry that the lowest of grunts can obliterate you on a molecular level just for starters
I think the Daleks are fucked.
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>>86797849
>Chaos can't do anything to change something so ingrained in Daleks that the only time it's ever been challenged or altered is by literally making the Daleks into something fundamentally non-Dalek or outright lobotomizing them.
Chaos corruption is much worse than a lobotomy.
That said, this is kind of useless power wank because neither DH nor WH40K have established precedent for how chaos would affect daleks.
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>>86805130
>>literal billions of deathbots that are armed with such powerful weaponry that the lowest of grunts can obliterate you on a molecular level just for starters
you literally just described the toilet bowls lol.
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>>86805817
Yeah the toilet bowls are on the level of the Necron Warrior, a foot soldier. Have the Daleks go up against a Chronomancer and they're fucked.
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>>86805837
>Have the Daleks go up against a Chronomancer and they're fucked.
They did. A whole planet of them. And they were doing quite well, even managing to delete two whole laws of thermodynamics.
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>>86798646
maybe but I was more referring to the fact that all the actions of the imperium are more or less justified in hindsight or can be rationalized within the context of the setting. The whole punk thing was more aesthetic anyway.
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>>86804459
In this logic Jesus would win over Magnus, Curze, Fulgrim, and possibly Lorgar. He'd turn the tide of the Horus Heresy and make the emperor seethe eternally.
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>>86805870
The most powerful chronomancer in Dr. Who is an apprentice bootlick compared to a Necron.
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>>86805926
Necrons are superior to Daleks in only one respect:

they are better at dying
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>>86805966
>dying
Who fears death when you have a resurrection protocol? Besides, Daleks keep getting bested by some anti gun pussy in a tweed jacket.
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>>86805985
Can the necron resurrect from subatomic annihilation? How about weaponry that treats causality like a joke? Even just a regular dalek is enough.
As for the Doctor, he doesn't need anything more than a screwdriver. He is the ultimate weapon.
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>>86798314
Back when Cybermen were cool. It was a shame they never went all in on the original horror thematic.
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What would a dalke do after an orgyn pushed it on it's side?
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>>86806130
Bold of you to assume the ogryn would get close enough.
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>>86806055
>Can the necron resurrect from subatomic annihilation?
Yeah, the protocol whisks the Necron away before complete destruction sets in, his necrodermis heals and he's ready for another go.
>How about weaponry that treats causality like a joke? Even just a regular dalek is enough.
Mastered by the Necrons during the War in Heaven. And if that doesn't work there's always the Celestial Orery.
>As for the Doctor, he doesn't need anything more than a screwdriver. He is the ultimate weapon.
He couldn't handle a Lamenter novitiate, let alone a Primarch.
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>>86804677
The latter half of S3 is god-tier. Blink, Family of Blood, Utopia
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PEST CONTROL
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>>86806241
EX-TER-MIN-ATE!
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>>86803380
But what about muh OP franchise!?
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>>86806280
Xelee. There. Argument over.
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doctor who is lamest shit ever made
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1al-pUIpk1s
>aaaaaaand spin around... aaaaand the other way
>everyone laughing and small talking as they push helpless Daleks around
This is a Dalek empire at the peak of its power btw
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>>86796168
There is also a precedent for Daleks going insane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ThpkjDgdvY
They aren't unwaveringly rational beings, there's enough of a mind here for chaos to exploit.
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>>86806435
Peak daleks are at their peak during the time war and not the scraps that survived
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>>86806147
What if it charged from behind it?
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>>86806472
>Last time we fought the Daleks, they were scavengers and hybrids, and mad. But this is a fully-fledged Dalek Empire, at the height of its power. Experts at fighting Tardises, they can do anything
Literal direct quote from the episode.
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>>86786062
> The Men of Iron, round 2: electric boogaloo
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>>86806492
But the cybermen have human brains in them. They're even human tech. Totally fine.
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>>86806528
>They're even human tech
Usually not
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Classic Dalek vs New Dalek

Classic arrives in the galaxy alone. After attempting (and failing) to connect with the wider species, it finds the nearest human world and does the smart thing, starting a tech-cult amongst dissatisfied, unethical scientists to build a Dalek hatchery and shell factory. It can take even the junkiest Imperium machine and turn it into a brand new foot soldier ready to exterminate the universe.

Once sufficiently prepared, the Dalek's attack, but only the planet at first. They need to cut the head off the local government and military, leaving the panicked masses to bioengineered plagues, taking handfuls as slaves to force the local population into gathering more resources.

Once the first few saucers are done, Daleks become an interstellar plague, able to travel through space unlike anyone but the ancient Necrons. They gain a foothold in the galaxy, but can just fuck off across the universe anywhere they want, or travel through time (even if its dangerous, especially if its dangerous).

Meanwhile, the New Dalek just shoots the first thing its see, screams EXTERMINATE again and again, and gets btfo out by a squad of plucky but tragically slain Astra Mil boys.
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>>86806289
Why would the Xeelee even give a shit? A polity even worse than the Imperium of Man didn't even get much, if any real attention from the and just prompted them to move to another galaxy once they threatened to blow up the supermassive blackhole they were chilling in.

If anything, the Xeelee would just leave the 40k galaxy whilst analyzing the properties of the Warp as a side experiment.
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>>86803534
>teenage girl
If you're referring to Bad Wolf, then you severely missed the point of that in its entirety.
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>>86806193
The destruction is on a moleculer level across that Necrons entire history and future simultaneously. He cannot escape it. Temporal weapons go brrr.
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>>86805817
>>86806055
>still posting headcanon
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>>86807772
>the time war is headcannon
Necrons can't even leave their own galaxy or kill everything in in.
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>>86793155
It also wants its gay britbong piss show back
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>>86808042
I associate sneering bitches with homosexuals and teenage children who's parents are going through bitter divorces. Which one are you?
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>>86786112
yes, but is it over 9000?
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>>86807806
Your fanfiction version that you're constantly sucking off here is, yes. Kys autismo
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>>86808639
How does it feel knowing necrons lose to a bunch of trash cans with laser beams?
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What we're told about Daleks is impressive. What we see is goofy and lame
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>>86808851
Sums up the entire DW. Gallifrey is just the same.
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>>86808848
I literally do not care about 40k. I'm just of the opinion that anyone that likes Dr. Who needs to be euthanized
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>>86805922
Beautiful.
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>>86808859
End of Time was a bit of a mess but its the best on-screen portrayal of the Time Lords we've got
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>>86808962
Why are you upset with a pulpy brit show?
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>>86810090
Dalton made a good Rassilon, he has the gravitas.
Also amusingly that episode series had best computer CGI in the series that looked like at least some effort was put into it, when Master was scanning space for Doctor.
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>>86805926
>>86806193
Daleks don't care about attempts to delete them with time travel nowadays, it's actually impossible to do it to them. That's what their paradox engines are for: so that even if you went back in time and killed your enemy as a child, for example, the paradox engine just kicks in and makes it so said enemy keeps existing. Yes it does horrible things to the timeline, and the Daleks don't give a shit. By the point of the Time War, both the Daleks and Time Lords were running uncountable paradox engines, regularly fighting in the previous universe before the Big Bang to alter the nature of the universe that would come (it was considered a standard battlefield preparatory move in fact) to be more suitable to the overall strategic goal.
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Why are the Daleks so pitifully insane?
Both them and Cybermen are dangerous but utterly stupid concerning any actual living, like an automaton with errors. Their existence is just ruining things.
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>>86810801
Because the Daleks were made by an absolute raving madman who practically butchered his people to turn them into rolling death-tanks with an insane unshakeable hatred for absolutely every form of non-Dalek life.

You can get the occasional good Cyberman - one of them is even the current controller of the Glory. There have only ever been two truly good Daleks.
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>>86810801
because their audience popularity meant they kept being brought back with bigger and bigger stakes long past the original scope of Terry Nation's original concept
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>>86808962
Extremely based
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>>86798415
The doctor is basically a demi-god, and as much as the daleks hate him they prefer to stay out of his way unless they're forced into a confrontation (usually by the doctor teleporting into their HQ and dicking around)
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>dude this character is soooooo powerful they destroyed god 10000000000 times with their over 9000 powers
Pray to your super powerful characters to save you from getting a swirly and tell me how that goes.
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>>86811299
IIRC, now they don't remember the Doctor because he has been purged from their memories.
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>>86785968
Fucking hate that. I know there are franchises that wants to create super mega dick powerfull character without having to ignore how they haven't bombed the universe with a tougth, but it eventually derails into "Wizardigton can blow a ligthing numbers of dimension, each dimension tracending each other. But he got solo by a gun because...uh the guns were created the gods"
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>>86787546
Daleks are work of fiction, so no. A piece of paper or literal image on television can't harm or kill a real person...Unless you trow the television at him, or poke his brain with the paper or some shit
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>>86805922
Fulgrim isn't contrite, though. Perturabo would be a more likely convert than him, and he's the most stubborn sperg in the universe.
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>>86808851
Because
>>86800950
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>>86811923
>IIRC, now they don't remember the Doctor because he has been purged from their memories.
I think that got immediately retconned out again. Unless it happened AGAIN in the Jodie era that I didn't watch.
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>>86811923
No, they got it back, unexplained. Probably their instinctive recognition of “Doctor = Enemy” triggering and them examining their memories to realise they had holes in it. It was a dumb narrative decision anyway.
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>>86806768

Going by Dalek (The eccleston episode) wouldn't a solitary Dalek give up at the knowledge the perfect race no longer exists?
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>>86798415
Because they're completely retarded. Every time they get a modicum of power they go all unga bunga on the first humans they see, and the Doctor shows up and genocides all but one of them and they start the whole thing over again.

There was one group of 'smart' Daleks who were tasked with actually thinking of new and innovative ways to make the Daleks prosper. They noticed how prevalent and adaptable humans are and started experimenting to make a human-dalek hybrid. That Hybrid then immediately set to work thinking up a new prospering Dalek civilization, and even befriended the fucking Doctor - who agreed to help find them a planet to set up on and help them get started.
But the other '''''''''''''smart'''''''''''' Daleks thought this was betraying the Dalek ideals so they killed him along with all the other Dalek-human hybrids. Because apparently they're not smart enough to figure out that the only reason humans are so prevalent in this universe is because the Doctor made Earth his personal pet project and constantly intervenes to help them. And that the 'great filter' in this universe is literally just whether the Doctor likes your species or not.
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>>86785667
counterpoint
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An orgryn would just push it.
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>>86785667
Yeah, some other anon said it
>All Dr Whofags have going for them is "My favorite series can beat up your favorite series!"

Who cares that the characters are walking around with hand portable universe destroying doomsday weapons and pens that break causality when the show is shit? Has anyone actually watched the show in the last 8 or so years?
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>>86785968
I'm pretty sure Dr Who is actually the biggest offender in this. And the fans loving to grab up random bits only ever mentioned in some odd book from 1986 that claims X alien is really super powerful and taking that excerpt to all VS threads everywhere.

Meanwhile we see on screen the doctor and Daleks getting routinely fucked over or killed by plain ol 20th century humans with their primitive human guns over and over and over again....
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>>86819151
>Has anyone actually watched the show in the last 8 or so years?
Lots of people tuned into that "End of Chinballs Era" special a couple weeks back purely to shit on him and laugh at blonde cunt getting replaced by a returning Tennant
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>>86815081
Doctor is a sad man. Now his story is going into some unsightly directions, those blasted writers.
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>>86819335
Partially returning, IIRC.
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>>86798090
Nah, everything on Galifrey and all the tardises are powered by a single black hole. All of them at the same time are powered by one singularity. And if you ask any Time Lord how that works, they can't tell you because it's centuries old technology that they have no clue how it was made in the first place.

BUT, if you ask a Dr Whofag you get an answer like >>86797892 this stupid shit that never ever happened on screen of any episode in a 60 year history of the tv show. But they will all claim it's totally what would happen because >>86819151
this guys statement, they are powerelevelfags. Probably the most annoying powerlevelfags this side of Dr Doom fans.
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>>86819378
Isn't Time Lord society basically what would happen if Dr Doom actually won, took over the world and then uplifted all of society with his wonder technology? It's all a single super scientist invented every single thing they have that makes them the top of the food chain.
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>>86819378
What's strange is how Doctor's TARDIS was operational when he used the Moment, until Gallifrey was retconned I was under impression that (not even the most impressive weapon, really, and a suboptimal one too, somewhat, seeing as it had a target area limit, I think?) the Moment literally deletes things out of existence, so the Eye should be gone as well.
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>>86819365
Returning's returning, I didn't intend to imply that I was unaware of the weird looking nog who's the actual permanent replacement, just conveying the hate-watcher sentiment.
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>>86819378
>Dr Whofag you get an answer like >>86797892 #
Have you seen nu-who? The big bang stuff is a major plot point abd happens on screen. Same with the dalek falling out of the time vortex, we watch it happen on screen.
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>>86819405
Not exactly, as Gallifreyans were already fucked up in their own ways before, they were warlike galactic expansionists before the anchoring.
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>>86819417
Ah, I see.
I just picked up the show not long ago, stopped watching with 11th, just didn't feel the same.
In retrospect show has problems, but tech concepts are nice, but damn if it isn't a sad watch at times, until it just turns into some dying misery that keeps on going.
At least 12th got the classic fluff hair back, until he died.
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>>86797666
the fuck is that thing in the middle?
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>>86819648
Davros, creator of the Daleks.
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>>86819405
Pretty much yeah. Rassilon invented almost everything they had. He trapped the eye of Harmony in an invention of his while using a forecefield invention, and then used it to invent time travel, then immortality, then invented compressing dimensions.

Then he fucked off to some tower and demanded that no one ever bother him again.

But yeah, it was definitely a situation of Lex Luthor actually did spread his inventions around and turn the whole place into a super science paradise. The time Lords themselves really have no clue how their technology works either, it just sort of does and they know it's dependable enough. Then they turned Rassilon's forcefield harness into ceremonial sacred vestments at gatherings and parties. Also having no fucking clue how it works, or if it does anything at all.
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>>86819843
Supposedly invented, if one uses the wiki.
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>>86819888
Watch the Deadly Assassin wiki warrior, be sure to fuck off first tho. It's a classic episode so it might not be #woke enough for you, and it's an awful lot of white guys on screen so that might bother you some.
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>>86819911
I just mentioned the notion that lore seems to possess multiple possibilities on same events, so I'm not sure how this knee jerk reaction of yours on these modern fools applies here.
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>>86819648
Davros in his comfy chair, LARPing as the Dalek Emperor
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>>86819648
Davros, aka the great grandpa of the Daleks who they just lock in stasis half the time.
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>>86798090
Time Lord narwhal guns, a basic infantry weapon, literally shoot entire condensed timelines at people. So yes. That's not even getting into stuff like Faction Paradox:

>“It’s been long held that the Great Houses may well have been responsible for many of the physical laws of the universe as they’re now known, but even that misses the point. The Houses *are* those physical laws. The laws are extensions of their own selves, of their identities and of their culture. In theory, the idea that anybody might be capable of going to war with these bloodlines is utterly ridiculous. In theory, it would be like going to war with gravity, or with a colour, or an element, or a geometric shape.
>–The Book of the War Pg. 77
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>>86810801
>Daleks
They were made by a idiot who gets off to the thought of Hatred itself, imagine a super Sith magician. They then proceeded through sheer hate and luck roll up the tech tree until they hate time fucking tech
>Cyberman
They're just transhumanism's end game
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>>86822373
Faction Paradox is just the rambling nonsense f a weirdo and isn't canon

As for the other thing, I can't even find a tardis entry so it presumably also isn't considering the autistic cataloguing even stuff from newspaper cartoons about daleks from the 1960s

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Gallifreyan_weapons

Even if they were the basic time lord weapon, then why did it likewise slowly blow small chunks out of a wall? Again, are time lord buildings super OP, or could it just be that the terrible writers of this bullshit just make shit up that they think sounds cool but doesn't actually mean anything?
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>>86823120
I never got why Cybermen have to try to force everyone to be like them. Surely an episode where they advertise and try to convert people willingly, where the doctor can't just genocide them would be more interesting
Plus, the whole "Cybernetics are always bad" thing is weird nowadays where they're slowly actually becoming a thing that helps people
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>>86823337
>Faction Paradox is just the rambling nonsense f a weirdo and isn't canon
It contradicts literally nothing about the events and IIRC is treated as an alternate continuity to the events of the war.
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>>86823377
Because they're are terribly made.
In regards to the latter cybernetics to biological entities is ultimately a crutch, albeit practical, but not without prices.
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>>86823120
Transhumanism has no endgame.
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>>86823377
Because the OG Cybermen were poorly designed automatons who couldn't conceive of anything beyond that and the current ones were literally built by a madman using a method that outright fucking eviscerates the original people and enslaved their minds, to the point the Doctor restoring their individuality outright caused them to self-destruct from the agony cyber-conversion entails.
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>>86825005
Exactly
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>>86822373
How the fuck do people get into this? I hate 40k, but shit like this makes it look sane.
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>>86826524
They’re British
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>>86824587
Not Canon
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>>86798090
>The time war era daleks got destroyed by flying rubble in the day of the doctor

Ever hear that Einstein quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought with, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones"?

The end of the Time War was basically that. The Daleks and the Time Lords had exhausted superweapon after superweapon after superweapon and by the time of the final assault on Gallifrey both factions were basically left fighting with what was, to them, the equivalent of sticks and stones.
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>>86785667
Well that's because the Whoniverse is silly while 40K is based on realism.
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>>86826524
Strictly speaking, that's not from anything Doctor Who. It's from one of the Faction Paradox books, which are an (unofficial) set of spin-offs expanding on a bunch of the more out-there shit the author slipped into Doctor Who novels back in the late '90s, only turning it up 10,000% because they're not constrained by actually being Doctor Who novels anymore. FP is its own convoluted mess, which the vast majority of Doctor Who fans will never engage with
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>>86826524
>How the fuck do people get into this?
Severe autism. Doctor Who in its true form (the TV series) is basically Star Trek crossed with a soap opera. It occupies a fun little niche of being a sci-fi series that's more domestic and emotional than intelligent and thought provoking.
But for some reason there's a subset of autists that keep making non-canon fanfic shit trying to turn it into Trek
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>>86824587
I could write a shitty fanfic about the doctor fucking mickey in the ass and it both wouldn't contradict anything in the show and also wouldn't be canon
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>>86827982
Wasn't it the opposite, that they haven't actually exhausted anything, and things just kept getting worse all the time?
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By the way, pre-anchoring Gallifreyans were matriachical and their women were far taller than men.
It's really feels like someone puts their fetishes in these works sometimes.
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>>86786202
based
can I get a t-shirt with your little sister on it or something?
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>>86829354
If you look for it, there's a lot of that in SF. Sometimes (honestly, kind of often) it's even an actual thing.
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>>86797830
>several of the novels mention it
Ah ok, nothing that counts then.
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You know, as much as people deride DW extended book lore, it actually is rather reasonable.
Highly horrifying, though.
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>>86826524
It's
>>86819151
>All Dr Whofags have going for them is "My favorite series can beat up your favorite series!"
at all times. They used to shit up spacebattles years ago with this same stuff and smugly parading random quotes like that.
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>>86829527
The novels are canon, but I can't change the way you feel if you insist on being a retard.
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>>86829137
>>86829267
>>86829527
Samefag.
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>>86785931
>surely even they are capable of seeing that works of fiction can easily just declare something arbitrarily powerful and there isn't any substance to it

Wasn't this originally the whole point of SCP-682? To shut up the powerwankers infesting the wiki by just having a monster whose whole entire shtick is "you cannot beat it, period, because fuck you that's why"?

Not that it worked because the powerwankers just found other ways to crank up the bullshit, but still, I admire the attempt. Reminds me of that "Powerman" comic that was floating around /v/, /a/, and /co/ for awhile years ago.
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>>86786443
>the most boring Dr.Who antagonist around

...but enough about the SHARTing Angels.
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>>86823337
Fundamentally, and I say this as somebody who's seen a lot of Doctor Who... it's all about writers just making up big word shit to make their chosen faction sound more impressive, to try and make the consumer forget about how fucking stupid they all are on the TV.

Like, "all the enemies stand in a circle around the good guy, and when the good guy suddenly teleports/vanishes they all shoot each other"... has been a key plot point MULTIPLE TIMES. At one point the Doctor's incredibly clever strategy to destroy all the Daleks who were attacking Gallifrey was to teleport Gallifrey out of the way so all the Dalek ships would blow each other up.

All the "the Time Lords DEFINED physics and fighting them is IMPOSSIBLE" and "the standard Time Lord weapon shoots condensed timelines" stuff is just bullshit. They're time travelers, they have a lot of nonsense doomsday weapons they don't use very well because their society is a dysfunctional bunch of squabbling immortals, their standard weapons and armor are better than what non time travelers have but aren't categorically different than anything a modern day army would use. Underneath all the fancy tech stuff the Time Lords are basically just somewhat sturdier humans, plus some weak psychic powers and regeneration abilities.
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>>86831598
It's sort of funny because despite 40k being touted as the poster child for powerwank I never see anyone try do to it beyond tertiary fans.
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>>86831743
I mean the fact the doctor has died like 13 times and most of it has been mundane shit should say as much
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>>86831743
NOOOOOOO YOU DIDNT READ THE FANCFICTION
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>>86785667
Dakek existed in 40k but were exterminated by warp sheninagans.
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>>86831806
On that note, while the Faction Paradox stuff is actually pretty good, it in no way consistently lines up with canonical Doctor Who material. Think of it basically an extended What If exercise taking the grandiose self-promoting bullshit served up by the Time Lords now and then and treating it as consistent serious claims (which the series absolutely doesn't), and then extrapolating out to result in a different canon where the Time War was actually a conflict that existentially threatened reality and not just some lame bullshit where the Time Lords and Daleks chased each other up and down history firing lasers at each other the whole time.
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>>86827923
>A bunch of cyborg humans that are just in life support suits
vs
>Undying armies with OP weapons left and right
Lol sure kid
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I'd care about 40k if there were hot alien chicks everywhere.



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