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Reprints When? Edition

>Bans
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/september-19-2022-banned-and-restricted-announcement

>Upcoming Crossover: Lord of the Rings (modern legal)
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/lord-rings-tales-middle-earthtm-format-legality-2021-08-24

>Spoilers
http://www.magicspoiler.com/
https://mythicspoiler.com/

>What is EDH? (returning)
https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1

CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES
>Current meta, complete with deck list
https://www.mtgtop8.com/
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/
https://aetherhub.com/Metagame/
>Build and share casual decks
https://deckstats.net/
http://tappedout.net/

CUBE RESOURCES
>Build and share cubes
https://cubecobra.com/landing

CARD RESOURCES
>Search engines
https://gatherer.wizards.com/
https://scryfall.com/
https://mtg.wtf/
>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://www.makeplayingcards.com/
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM
>Play online for free
untap.in
https://dr4ft.info/

>Previously
>>86109864

>TQ
Do you have a favorite cycle of cards? If not, what's your favorite card that's part of a cycle?
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Need low-cost lifegain in the board and more maindeck card advantage. Is two colorless lands too many even with Urborg? Ifnir is sick

Land (24)
4x Blightstep Pathway Flip
4x Blood Crypt
4x Canyon Slough
1x Castle Locthwain
1x Geier Reach Sanitarium
1x Haunted Ridge
1x Karn's Bastion
1x Mountain
1x Sokenzan, Crucible of Defiance
2x Sulfurous Springs
2x Swamp
1x Takenuma, Abandoned Mire
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Creature (8)
1x Archfiend of Ifnir
1x Blade of the Oni
1x Erebos, God of the Dead
2x Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger
3x Sheoldred, the Apocalypse
Instant (8)
2x Fatal Push
2x Kolaghan's Command
3x Lightning Strike
1x Oblivion's Hunger
Planeswalker (6)
1x Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage
4x Liliana of the Veil
1x Ob Nixilis, the Adversary
Sorcery (6)
2x Dark Deal
4x Thoughtseize
Enchantment (8)
4x Dreadhorde Invasion
4x Shrieking Affliction
Sideboard (15)
1x Alpine Moon
1x Damping Sphere
1x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
4x Leyline of the Void
2x Lifebane Zombie
1x Pithing Needle
1x Sorin the Mirthless
1x Weathered Runestone
3x Widespread Brutality

https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/21-09-22-pioneer-8-rack/?cb=1663881350
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>>86121068
>all of those 1-ofs
my nigga... you need more maindeck consistency
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Im gonna leave for awhile and play fab. Hope mtg sales plummet and they actually make good fucking changes. Peace niggas.
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>>86121112
erebos is there to break board stalls and combos with Sheoldred for free card draw instead of just running my 4th sheoldred
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>>86121041
>tq
Guess it’s not a cycle but any iteration of the White Knight/Black Knight is cool
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>>86121132
cool blogpost, how many "dead game dead general" posts are we going to see this thread?
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>>86121112
It's the Lutri shitposter.
He doesn't actually want help he just wants to spam his shitty deck so he can tell you why you're wrong and it's great even though he loses 100% of the time to monogreen.
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>>86121205
>he doesn't actually want help, that's why his deck literally says revision VIII (eight)
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was this new set made entirely for infantile tumblr autists and ADBL roleplayers? christ.
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>>86121227
Yeah, he (You) doesn't want help. Fuck off back to gayrobot, attention whore.
You realize that I have basic pattern recognition and track you across your entire internet presence so I know what shit takes are yours, right?
Here's you, talking about how if there were 30 companions it would be fine because then everyone could run one... just like you were shilling them in the last thread saying companions would be fine if the game were just bent around them.
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>>86121068
>>86121227
cleanup your sideboard, I know you're the lutri guy who loves to run 1-ofs but your maindeck has zero card selection
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Reminder that WotC doesn't care about the EV of a box because it's easy as fuck to make a valuable set by just reprinting lands in it. Dominaria didn't need shocklands, they just wanted it to sell. Khans didn't need fetchlands, they just wanted it to sell. Next time they really want a set to sell they'll reprint ally fastlands. Hell they could reprint enemy ones. Or fuck it, slap enemy fetches in there, it's been 12 years.
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>>86121315
It's all but guaranteed we're getting a reprint of fastlands next year because at some point we're going back to NP.
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Subgame ends instantly because it doesn't specify bringing any cards over into a new library for the subgame.
Starting player attempts to draw a card and instantly loses with zero cards in library. As far as I can tell, nothing in the wording of this card would prevent this happening.

FIND ME THE FUCKING GIGABRAIN MEGAMIND SUPERGENIUS THAT DESIGNED THIS CARD
SO I CAN THROW A FUCKING PIE IN THEIR FACE
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>>86121294
yeah that's why i used to have blue for chart a course and stuff but the mana was garbage because there's no darkslick shores
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>>86121230
YES
>>86121215
Need to be UG or UW
>>86121132

Good, but the sales will never stop, even if no one plays a format or 2 anymore. They got fucking RL cards in boosters

>>86121068
>1x Archfiend of Ifnir
>1x Blade of the Oni
>1x Erebos, God of the Dead

I see you like your draft but i would suggest to at least get a few more consistency... You can all 3 of those cards imo, maybe just keep erebos for the dreadhorde synergy, i guess (cause you have 4)

>>86121068

>2x Lifebane Zombie

Shit card, i guess you said it yourself last thread (or some other anon that tested it said )
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>>86121331
That doesn't make anything guaranteed. Did nuInnistrad or nunuInnistrad have enemy checklands?
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>>86121277
The problem with companions is that if you don't start with one you are -1 CA, making them mandatory would just increase deck diversity you dumbass
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>>86121349
It had those slowlands. They didn't do the reveallands or whatever they're called because they did those in Strixhaven.
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>>86121332
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/3-Card_Blind

WotC ripped off a community format for this card.
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>>86121344
yes i agree lifebane is shit but racing green is the only way i've seen to win outside of ridiculous shit like multiple pithing needles at once
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>>86121332
>Subgame ends instantly because it doesn't specify bringing any cards over into a new library for the subgame. Starting player attempts to draw a card and instantly loses with zero cards in library.
Wrong, while you have negative iq i will always win the subgame.
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>>86121365
>WotC ripped off a community format for this card.
And didn't specify the new ruleset on fhe fucking card, so cards draws still happen on the draw step.
Unless either player slams down an instant-win combo that they can fire off on the upkeep, the person on the play passes, the person on the draw attempts to draw and instantly loses.

Basically, instant win combo, Laboratory Maniac on the draw, or the 'subgame' is determined in a single turn by the result of a

coinflip. Person on the play instantly wins.. WHO FUCKING DESIGNED THIS CARD. HOW DO YOU MAKE A MISTAKE SO FUCKING EGREGIOUS.
THE CARD DOES NOT EVEN FUCKING FUNCTION.
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>>86121332
>>86121391
Forgot pic
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>>86121400
Wouldn't you just continue using your normal library in the subgame?
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>>86121400
Just search for the words.
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>>86121441
No, the maingame library does not enter the subgame. It says you may play it with up to 3 permanents from your library on the battlefield but it doesn't say how you're supposed to get those permanents from the library to the subgame battlefield. It should say "search your library for up to 3 permanents and then start the subgame with them in play" or something. But it doesn't.
If it did it would be really gay because you could just tutor and put into play some bullshit infinite and instawin the subgame so really this card doesn't function at all, either as written or as intended.
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>>86121332
Works fine on my machine.
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>>86121441
No.
We have precedent for subgame wording: Shahrazad.

>Players play a Magic subgame, using their current libraries as their decks.

Every object carried into a subgame has to be specified by the card that created the subgame. This card does not specify carrying any game objects into the subgame as a library.

Each player starts with three creatures, no library and no hand. If there are no instant wins, or hasty creatures that deal up to 5 damage from the person on the play, then the person on the draw starts their turn, moves past upkeep, then INSTANTLY FUCKING DIES.

THE CARD
DOES NOT FUNCTION.
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>>86121477
On the bright side, being mythic means as few people as possible will have pulled it. The card should've just said "play 3 card blind as per the rules on [website]".
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The Countdown Is at One
>Players play a Magic subgame, starting at 1 life and using their libraries as their decks.
Shahrazad
>Players play a Magic subgame, using their libraries as their decks.
Enter the Dungeon
>Players play a Magic subgame under the table, starting at 5 life and using their libraries as their decks.
Tug of War
>Players play a subgame starting at 5 life and with up to three permanent cards with different names from their main-game library on the battlefield.
One of these things is not like the others, one of these things is poorly designed.
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>>86121462
is this loss?
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>>86121539
Search "Words of" ..
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>>86121441
It has to specify as such. The other three cards mention using the deck. From what it seems, it's just Tooth and Nail just cheaper.

>>86121517
>>86121537
It has a function. You tutor up Bogardan Hellkite, Gisela (or anything that blocks damge) and some big Giganigga you wanna cheat in. You ETB, ping for 5, win, get the Giganigga
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>We actually got to see a day where the card text on a card is so broken the card literally does not function.
quality control at its finest
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>>86121517
Alternatively, we could assume the “using their current libraries as their decks” text on Shahrazad is redundant or a reminder.
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>>86121583
>It has a function. You tutor up Bogardan Hellkite, Gisela (or anything that blocks damge) and some big Giganigga you wanna cheat in.
bruh
>Bogardan hellkite and Gisela
for fuck sake you shitter
at least have some STYLE
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>>86121537
I prefer to play with my normal stamp legal Baron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYtvrj2dcNs
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>>86121537
Now THIS is compelling evidence.
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>>86121584
member this nigga?
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>>86121588
>Alternatively, we could assume the “using their current libraries as their decks” text on Shahrazad is redundant or a reminder.
It is rules text. It is not reminder text. It is not redundant.

The creation of a subgame requires moving game objects into the subgame. The card or effect that creates the subgame specifies which objects are moved, and where they are moved. These things must be specified, or the subgame begins empty.
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>>86121584
>>We actually got to see a day where the card text on a card is so broken the card literally does not function.
first time?
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>>86121609
many such examples
you hate to see it
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>>86121609
>Name is Thunder Conductor
>Ability refers to Thunder Collector
There is no QA at WotC because they don't need it. Entrenched paypiggies will put up with anything at this point.
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>>86121620
functioning as intended with a game breaking error is not the same as "Literally does not function at all in any way whatsoever."
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>>86121609
How does that not function? Stack/timing bullshit?
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>>86121641
Read the card's name then the name the ability refers to.
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>>86121635
>functioning as intended
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>>86121641
There is no card named 'Thunder Collector'
Its ability refers to a game object that does not exist, so it triggers but does nothing at all.
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>>86121620
>>86121609
>>86121584
>I was just born and already forgotten
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>>86121671
hostage taker was a lot more prominent
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>>86121658
…dumb typo != “does not function”
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>>86121671
lmao
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>>86121671
tapped?
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>>86121676
Why are dumb typos happening when the company is making more money than it ever has?
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>>86121663
That’s some Yu-Gi-Oh tier autism right there.
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>>86121671
PATHEITC.
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>>86121678
tapped.
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>>86121681
…because one of they’re making more money than ever is by not spending anything on QA, duh.
Death to the greedy piggy shareholders, yo.
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>>86121681
because they haven't increased the teams that make cards but have increased the amount of cards
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>>86121691
damn...
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>>86121659
I remember this there had to be clarification it wasn't like riding the dilu horse. (aka lasts indefinitely).
>>86121691
tapped. tapped.
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>>86121609
More like trash collector
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>>86121687
Yeah and that card was the face card to a commander precon. It was on the front of the fucking box in premium foil and nobody noticed.
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idk why but this guy popped into my head randomly
what does /mtg/ think of this cool little dude?
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>>86121736
>1 mana
>Above the curve
>4 abilities
>Unplayable
I do not play this game and will not in the future.
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>>86121736
he's cool
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>>86121736
About 4x as efficient as any MTG creature should ever be allowed to be, and it is in the uncommon slot and saw zero play.
Highly indicative of how shit the game has become.
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>>86121736
cube fodder like most escape cards
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>>86121620
>>86121623
>>86121671
>>86121659
>tfw too retarded to understand why these don't work
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>>86121830
well if it was hostage taker that was because I posted the reprint that fixed it
original hostage taker didn't say "another" creature so you could just target itself infinitely
Invert was supposed to say "Until end of turn", the text works, it's just a misprint
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>>86121830
tapped. tapped. for the spider too
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A lot of the card text is just written like total SHIT recently. Like that Express Lane card that was spoiled the other day. It's very clunky, like an ESL did it.
I would bet much of WotC's current design team are all English majors but they suck so bad at writing a flowing sentence. It's unreal.
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>>86121735
In their defense they fired all language autists and refilled their positions with political activists
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Don't worry guys, Tug of War has an errata.
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>>86121885
>Yes, you use the same library.
Have they errata'd it yet officially? Because if not, no you fucking don't. Nice lie though MaRo, you seem to be good at that.
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>>86121885
this is honestly a new low
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>>86121902
not quite, but only because Costume Shop was spoiled before this.

Everything about this set is worse than anyone could have imagined.
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>>86121830
>>>86121620
>>>86121623
See >>86121841 (and it was a last minute errata after the set was released or spoiled, i don't remember)
>>>86121671
Imagine this card:
Tap U
instant
Tapped
>>>86121659
Clarification on their shit wording because people can interpret it like:
C1 (P1/T1) ; C2 (P2/T2)
Cast first half:

C1(T1/P1) ; C2 (T2/P2) (correct

or

C1 (P2/T2) ; C2 (P1/T1) (wrong by the clarification )
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>>86121899
maro is the un-rules manager if he says something is erratad it's erratad
this isn't a joke
he erratad how art stickers work a few weeks ago
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>>86121983
>he erratad how art stickers work a few weeks ago
But they are eternal legal....
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>>86121983
That is extremely gay
Maybe the faggot should design functional cards
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>>86121983
>he erratad how arre stickers work a few weeks ago
Explain I am having trouble following.
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>>86122010
I don't remember the exact specifics but I think it was something to do with whether or not artists should be purely additive for "artists matter" cards
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>>86121477
>>86121517
>>86121583
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>>86122021
>whether or not artists should be purely additive for "artists matter" cards
I...wut
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>>86122044
if artist A drew a card, then you put art sticker B onto a card, the rules would then be both artist A and B made the card, instead of one or the others
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oh i said "arre" instead of "art" sticker in the first post my bad
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>>86121365
>Lotus
>Channel
>Emmy
Gg
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>>86122055
Okay that makes more sense. Thanks anon.
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So the whole time Shararahzard had redundant wording but they never bothered to update it because it was banned everywhere ? Interesting
>>86122043
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>>86122043
723 are rulings on Shahrazad, Shah mentions to use your library, so the rulings mention to use your library.

723 means nothing in terms of overwriting the text on cards as written. If a second card creating subgames was created that had different instructions for what to use as a library (Your hand, for example.) then they would have to change the rules to accommodate. The rules would not override the card text.

A card that specifies the subgame is started under a set of conditions, and none of those conditions include bringing your library into the subgame, the rules would have to change if that card was eternal legal. Which, thankfully, this one is not. Still, it does not function.

Card text overrides comprehensive rules in every situation other than card ownership. See the Morph rulings change for an example.
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>>86122090
>memnite, chancellor of the dross, force of despair
not my problem
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>>86121068
>Every fuckstick is now running Lifebane
Kek, quite literally last night people were giving me shit for suggesting it on this very board.
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>>86122111
No, it is not redundant. 723 is in the rules because of Shahrazad, and it is SPECIFICAILLY clarifying the rulings of that one specific card. 723.2 is a reference to specifically Shahrazad's effect:

As the (Shahrazad created) subgame starts, each player shuffles their library...
It is the only subgame. These rules are not generalised for all subgames, because there is only one. If more than one subgame card existed, these rules would be generalised to the variant effects.
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>>86122125
Yeah, it sucks
Lifebane sucks
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>>86122112
Wrong, 732 ruling are on subgames in general. The rulings on 732.1 are for shahrazhad. This is ruling 732.2
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>>86122139
i played it on the play turn against green and missed each time, it actually made me more likely to lose than if i passed the turn
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>>86121671
>Return Llanowar Greenwidow tapped. That's right, faggot. I said tapped
Kek.
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>>86121277
Daily reminder the Italian schizo doesn't play this game and only comes here to seethe at Anons who do. He also spends a lot of time on Reddit, weirdly enough.
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>>86122155
>Wrong, 732 ruling are on subgames in general
>723.1 ONE CARD CARD (SHAHRAZAD) ALLOWS PLAYERS TO PLAY A MAGIC SUBGAME
>732.1a (general) A subgame is...
>723.1b (general) no effects or...

>723.2 (SPECIFIC TO SHAHRAZAD), As the *SHAHRAZAD CREATED, AS MENTIONED ABOVE* Subgame starts

Learn to read.
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>>86121736
>Self recurring 4/5 that ETB bites a Flyer
The fact this sees no play just shows how fucked this game has become.
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>>86122113
>force of despair
>Permanent
I got your back
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>>86122043
I think the main issue is its a made for designer card, not a for player card. It works as per the actual rules, but its not common knowledge. So reading the card doesn't actually explain the card. Which is the same snag as Costume Shop. Its like if this card game just got a new type introduced, its called lands, and you need the equivalent of pic related to understand what the fuck it does.
>Verification not required.
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>>86122207
Dude, the ruling 732.2 is completely seperate to ruling 732.1, otherwise it would be 732.1c or something. It’s bot related to shahrazad
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>>86122172
Yeah its trash. By the time you are playing that thing they can simply overpower you.
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>>86122258
>Dude, the ruling 732.2 is completely seperate to ruling 732.1
No it is not.

>732.1: Shahrazad creates the subgame.
>732.2: As THE subgame starts (The, not A. As in, THE SUBGAME CREATED BY SHAHRAZAD.)

Unless you are actually arguing, that if they created a new tournament legal card that said "Players play a Magic subgame, using their hands as their libraries." The rules would swing in and overwrite that, forcing the players to use their libraries contrary to what is on the card?
No. 732 is Shahrazad-specific rulings with asides for general rulings about subgames.
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>>86122113
>Chancellor of the Forge
>Chancellor of the Annex
>Icatian Store
Not so fast buddy
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>>86122287
>No. 732 is Shahrazad-specific rulings with asides for general rulings about subgames.
Rule 732 is subgames in general
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>>86122324
Wrong. It is Subgames, as in, "Only one card creates subgames" as in, "These rulings are about the one card that creates a subgame" as in, "These are rules about Shahrazad, the singular card that creates a subgame."
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>>86122192
Funny enough i have to admit, calling him the italian shitposter makes you very sus
Will give a good animu for your pasta
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You will see a list 5-0 Legacy with the dogwalker and Jace Dandy
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>>86122339
Calling him Italian pisses him off, for some reason. Reminding him that he's an offtopic shitposter with no purpose in life but stalking strangers over the internet makes him stop posting for a while. Presumably because he is scouring social media for someone he can claim is actually me.
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>>86121681
It's exactly because they're making a assload of money that QC went down the drain.
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>>86122395
only if they actually decide to include the unset cards on mtgo
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>Only interesting, not totally cancerous and gay card in the entire set so far
>Perfectly reasonable effect that's actually new design space
>Removing the "and stickers" text, could easily fit into a standard-legal set
>Stickers are eternal legal anyway so not like that makes a difference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>A FUCKING ACORN

Can we please administer righteous vengeance upon everybody who touched this set's development. Holy fucking shit.

It's Homelands except instead of awesome, rich flavor we get gay carnival bullshit.
It's an Unset except instead of a weird and fun limited environment, half the set is crippled by being shoehorned into constructed legality.
It's art is basically Battlebond 2 only worse and gayer.

HOW IS THIS SET
SO FUCKING BAD
EVERYTHING ABOUT IT
EVERY DECISION IN REGARD TO ITS DESIGN
FUCKING EVERYTHING IS AN ATROCITY
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>>86122415
What I'm seeing is an admission that you are personally buttblasted by the Italian calling out shitposting, which means you're the animutranny shitposter. Kind of makes me wonder how it's shitposting to point out shitposting, pedoweeb.
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>>86122335
Anon, they may be silver bordered but there are other cards that creat sub games. Associating the ENTIRE sub game ruling with one card is ridiculous. But regardless of that, the ruling is for subgames, with shahrazhad being mentioned underneath that. You can argue all you want but 732.2 is under sub games, and equal to shahrazhad, the fucking end of discussion
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>>86122448
I have a feeling the acorn is solely due to this being a Guest, because IIRC none of the Clowns, Guests, and Performers are legal.
But Guest/Performer/Clown types matter so little there's no point to having them at all.
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>>86122448
there are an assload of corner cases that make it not really work, and "affects" is not really something the current CR can handle in that way but you could just make it so that you replace the equip with "all creatures you control" or something
>>86122463
robo pinata is clown and legal and there are more legal guests/performers then not (i didn't count just did a vague once over)
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>>86122462
>Anon, they may be silver bordered but there are other cards that creat sub games.
Silver border does not exist in MTG rules. They are phased out. The game rules do not consider their existence in any way, shape or form.

You are wrong, there is only one card that creates subgames. It is called Shahrazad.
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>>86122452
>Lutriposter posting his decks, screenshots, and videos of games he's played is shitposting
>reddit and youtube screencaps are not
weird cope
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>>86122463
>But Guest/Performer/Clown types matter so little there's no point to having them at all.
Nope that doesn't matter.

Just to bring home that it doesn't matter, "Gamer" is now an eternal legal creature type.
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>>86122448
you get a lot of weird shit like with this, totem armor, a few others
nothing they couldn't get around if they really really wanted to but like last strike that is not something they want to do
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>>86122486
Yeah i thought that might be the case, but regardless, this is rulings for subgames, not shahrazhad. Maybe because in the future they might make cards that cause sub games so they need to set out proper rules. Once again, 732.2 is a part of the SUBGAMES ruling. If a sub game happens, then ruling 732.2 happens hecause it’s a part of 732.... which occurs when a SUB GAME happens
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>>86122524
>Yeah i thought that might be the case, but regardless, this is rulings for subgames, not shahrazhad.
Just like the rulings for face down permanents on the battlefield were for face down permanents, not Morph right?

They do this shit all the time. MOST of the comprehensive rules is just built around single-card or single-effect situations, and is only updated to be general when a new effect needs it to be. Morph is an exact example of this.

A card needs to specify what game objects it is bringing into the subgame.
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>>86122514
Well, at least Johnny and Timmy may eventually become legal in legacy/vintage (but i bet they won't because wotc would be butt hurt to make both male players legal while the female ones aren't...)
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>>86122485
>>86122514
Then in that case I have no idea why this would not be legal
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>>86122553
>>86122517
>>86122485
for the same reason triple strike isn't (which is mostly "We don't feel like it" ) and likely for similar reasons as to why Staying Power has been veto'd by like, 7 rules managers? at this point
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>>86122335
>Wrong. It is Subgames, as in (((a whole bunch of shit that isn't in the CR lmao)))
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>>86122552
i assume they're going to have more than 1 un-set after this so they can just start putting in Tammy, Jenny, and I guess Spike (not the one from unstable)
Vorthos is literally just a name maro made up, it's John's (Vorthos' "Real name") dnd character, and melvin is a guy name I guess but i don't know how you get a girl name out of it
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>>86122596
>Tammy
>Jenny
Speke
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>>86122285
i switched them for plaguecrafters btw
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oh and this was new
so if someone mills persistent petitioners and they chose land you can say plains and win
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>TQ
>If not, what's your favorite card that's part of a cycle?
Definitely GSZ.
Being able to "cast" any green creature in your deck for just one extra mana is so fucking good.
A shame it's never going to be unbanned in Modern (Thanks a lot Amulet Titan).
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>>86121900
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>>86122950
didn't mean to respond
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>>86121332
>>86121885
No errata needed, the rules specify that you use your main-game library as the subgame library
>723.2. As the subgame starts, an entirely new set of game zones is created. Each player takes all the cards in their main-game library, moves them to their subgame library, and shuffles them. No other cards in a main-game zone are moved to their corresponding subgame zone, except as specified in rules 723.2a–d. Randomly determine which player goes first. The subgame proceeds like a normal game, following all other rules in rule 103, “Starting the Game.”
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>>86122971
See >>86122256
As its not wrong. If your not familiar with subgames you are now being asked to go look up specific rules like 723.2 to understand how it works.
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>another fucking un set
Way to leave it to disney to suck all the soul out of it
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>>86123126
disney just put out their own card game so that at least probably lowers the chance of disney UB stuff
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this format is so shit I pulled this off and still lost the match because my opponent gained life off trespasser and survived at 2
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>>86123163
play a real deck nigger, no one cares about your shit jank unless it's a retarded 6 card combo
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What color deck would you recommend for a brand new player? I have a good bit of experience playing other TCGs but I'm just learning how to play Magic
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>>86123163
Maat for the love of god, either stop trying to censor your name or at least do it right
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>>86123296
red or green probably, red is a lot of combat and direct damage and green is making a lot of mana to make a lot of dudes
blue is more about stopping other people from doing anything moreso than you doing stuff and white and black are (usually) in the middle of those two
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>>86123303
based and forensicspiled
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So now we know one of the biggest shitposters in the thread is this maat guy
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>>86123352
mtgo lags on my laptop so i always run out of time in game 3 and i only play my own brews anyway so my winrate is in the dumpster
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>>86123303
Should I go to two Blade of the Oni? The Dreadhorde combo is pretty lit
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>>86123402
more card draw
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>>86123482
i agree, i put in village rites to chain to kroxa activation but we do still need card draw
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I'm convinced this maat fag is the animu shitposter
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>>86123526
this all started because i got drunk one night and made a pioneer deck as a joke. now look at us
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>>86123482
I can cut Dark Deal for another Village Rites, they never have a hand when I can play it anyway
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If I donate a creature that can create stickers, and then target my opponent with a turn control spell, am I able to make them put stickers on their own cards, since I control all targets and all decisions?
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>>86123645
no, the stickers don't need to be literal stickers
you can just write "art sticker: bear" or something on a piece of paper and have it represent that, same as any other token or counter, as long as you're aware of what it represents
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>>86123704
so I suppose all "prize" attractions are silver? this is the most tame of them un-wise but it's still silver
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>>86123771
Nope. That one in particular has an Acorn stamp at the bottom, there are some that do not.
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>>86123789
which ones don't have it? so far every attraction with a prize has been acorn
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>>86123795
You are correct anon, my apologies. I hadn't read your post properly. Maybe they'll print one card with "prize" for legal play but so far all prize cards are Acorn.
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>>86123842
someone else did point out that the card is technically un- because the teddy bear it makes is Pink
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How long until MTG artists are entirely replaced by AI?
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My store is running a pioneer event this weekend. I don't have a deck but my store doesn't have events very often so I'd like to play.
Are there any decks I can build on the cheap (preferably <100 bucks) that wont get completely stomped?
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>>86123926
mono white humans (at least until a few weeks ago before hopeful initiate spiked)
mono blue spirit (again, recent spike put it slightly above 100bucks)
if you already have thoughtseize you can build the orzhov variant of greasefang (cutting the lilianas and wanderers, ofc)
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>>86124004
>>86123926
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4812117#paper
talking about this version btw
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>>86123926
4x Kumano Faces Kakkazan
4x Foundry Street Denizen
4x Monastery Swiftspear
4x Phoenix Chick
4x Play With Fire
4x Burning-Tree Emissary
3x Lightning Strike
3x Bonecrusher Giant
3x Kari Zev, Skyship Raider
3x Abbot of Keral Keep
2x Light Up The Stage
2x Hazoret the Fervent
16x Mountain
4x Ramunap Ruins

there's also an RG version of this that plays Atarka's Command if you're willing to spend on the lands or already own them. Sideboard might be some amount of:
Rampaging Ferocidon
Kari Zev's Expertise
Rending Volley
Magmatic Chasm
Tormod's Crypt (or Hearse)
Smash to Smithereens
Exquisite Firecraft
etc.
There are some more expensive cards that fit into this strategy such as Den of the Bugbear, Legion Loyalist, etc. if you happen to own them.
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>>86123926
>(preferably <100 bucks)
Mono White Humans
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5116728#paper
Change Hopeful Initiate for Soldier of the Pantheon and make a few budget sideboard changes and you can get it below 100 bucks easily

You can make Mono Green Stompy for less than 100 bucks too, but the archtype is considerably weaker without CoCo.
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>>86123303
>>86121205
>>86121227
>>86121277
Really makes me think.
Also
>TQ
I'm not sure if the Urza lands are considered a cycle or not but Tolaria West is part of a cycle of Future Sight lands which are rebuildings of once-ruined iconic Dominaria locations.
>Dakmor Salvage
>New Benalia
>Keldon Megaliths
>Tolaria West
>Llanowar Reborn
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Am I a freak for wanting Silver borders instead of an Acorn?
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>>86124190
No. Fuck acorns
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>>86124190
No. I wouldn't have cared if they had just made the uncards silver and the legal cards black. As someone who often enjoys uncards, getting rid of the silver border is a disgrace.
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>>86124190
making them legal is fine but removing the border is pretty dumb
if anything it should be the other way around where acorn on silver=legal
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>>86123926
MonoB Aggro, if you swap out Thoughtseize for Duress.
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>>86124262
Not sure if they made them black just because marketing said "Siver border does not sell" or because printing a set of black border and silver border mixed up with the current QC will be hard
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>>86124491
>>86124262
we know the primary reason, and for all of wotc's retardation I don't think it would be likely without that
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>>86123645
>If I donate a creature that can create stickers, and then target my opponent with a turn control spell, am I able to make them put stickers on their own cards
Yes. You would be able to put a sticker on a creature 'you' (being them, as you are controlling them) own.
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>>86122950
>Me: Don't own a phone because they're shit
>Nosewater: xD ebin megganiks!
Welp, guess I'll just not play then.
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>>86124536
i don't believe for a second you don't own a phone in 2022
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>>86124548
I have never owned one and will never own one.
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>>86124559
then better bring a camera
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>>86123645
yes, but you can use placeholders instead of actual stickers and you WILL end up doing time and/or paying for the Mox you defaced with a literal sticker.
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>>86124571
a polaroid would be good. You could use the pic as the token.
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>>86124583
>and you WILL end up doing time and/or paying for the Mox
lmao
i always love how people conjure up the stupidest most edgiest situations possible in a fucking card game
not to mention if you're playing with fucking moxen and not using sleeves then you deserve to have it ruined
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>>86124536
you can take pictures with phones like this, and they are probably cheaper than the cards you are buying
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>>86124594
he's just shitposting leave him be
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>>86124559
How old are you? I think I know you...
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>>86124583
>and you WILL end up doing time
for the Mox you defaced
>JUDGE THEY PUT A STICKER ON MY CARDBOARD
>Why did they do that
>BECAUSE THAT'S A PART OF THE GAME
>Ok so what's your problem
>WELL UH....I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO DO THAT
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>>86124536
based
I personally go a step further and wear a buttplug wrapped in tinfoil to disrupt 5G radiation
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>>86124594
>you can take pictures with phones like this, and they are probably cheaper than the cards you are buying
You think I care?
Facts: Cell phones were designed by Mithraic demon worshippers for the purpose of enslaving the minds of the masses. And all of you idiots fell right for it.

I will not be touching one. Not now, not ever. Thanks.
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>>86121671
from the same set

You can tell that DMU was designed with Alchemy in mind, because the deeper you dig, the more cards you find that just don't work as stated by the actual rules
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>>86124602
Let's just say my father was in a certain area of the army where they tested certain technologies to see their effects against certain members of the middle eastern public
and, knowing the stories he's told me, about the technology and his superiors during his time with it, I will not be touching a cell phone until the day I die.
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>>86124635
then you change the rules and call it a day, and ruin everything
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>>86124635
I fucking love how
IN THE SAME GOD DAMN SET
they have a different card with this ability worded correctly

They're not even fucking trying anymore.
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It really is amazing how many examples of cards that just literally don't fucking work we have recently.
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>>86124675
i mean you can change the rules.

but the fact of the matter is that we now have multiple sets all designed in a similar enough timeframe that completely ignore how the game functions. It's not like updating the rules to introduce a new mechanic, especially since the exact case for cards like Serra Paragon have been done plenty of times in ways that can actually be parsed by rules. They even managed to do it correctly in the same fucking set with >>86124703


The fact is that it's not about being able to change the rules, because it's clearly something they CAN do, and the ability they're trying to do is already allowed by the rules under normal circumstances. Its the fact that Playtesting and WOTC Quality Control is just too stupid to realize that they pushed out so many cards that functionally do not work because they can't be assed to actually reference the rulebooks on hand.

This is the kind of shit you'd expect from a game like Yugioh
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Went 3-0-1 at my local legacy event (first day on a new night) with Death & Taxes
Match 1: Lands (won 1-0-1)
G1: One of the grindiest games I've ever played. He had an opener with exploration and some parts of depths, but I had a stoneforge that found lion sash. I was able to plow the first marit lage, but he was getting value from exploration + valakut exploration. Lion sash was doing well keeping control of loam, but my mana was somewhat taxed by tabernacle and I couldn't find a wasteland to deal with it. He never found an answer to the sash though, and I was able to flicker solitude with yorion to hit multiple marit lages (and equip one turn with sash to get a lot more life, since the valakut exploration was getting chip damage in). The game ended with him having triple valakut exploration and just milling himself out, since he could only make so many 20/20s and I had enough answers. The game took like 40 minutes, so we were tight for time game 2.
G2: I think we each kept loose openers, but his was much looser. He was all-in on a marit lage (which was fine with the time), but i have 12 maindeck answers already and it got flickerwisped - I played a serenity that killed 2 moxen and his exploration as we went to time, but he had enough life it was an obvious draw.

Match 2: GWr Maverick (tied 1-1-1)
G1: I don't remember too much, but looking at the life sheet it looks like I just ran him over. I think I got lion sash out with a vial opener and had a flickerwisp the turn he played minsc to kill boo.
G2: super tight game where I had to keep a slow hand and he had double reclaimer. I had to go to 7 before gtting my vial on 3 to solitude-flickerwisp him, but it did hit both reclaimers. I was super taxed by mana by a tabernacle, and couldn't vial in my lion sash I found off of recruiter because it was now on 3. I ended up dying to a knight of the reliquary + sejiri steppe the turn before I got my kaldra in play to have a non-white creature to block it. (cont.)
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oh boy is it time for "/tg/ doesn't understand how rules work" hour again
but this is what happens when you let them nerf companions
if you let them change one thing why not the next, it's been going on for years, that pridemate change, the proliferate change
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>>86124759
(2/3)
G3: I had an ok opener without a vial but rip really made his creatures small. I eventually got SFM into batterskull (I had 5 lands out), but he had a tower of the magistrate to keep it off of my creatures. We went to time and both finished at over 30 life (me from occasional bskull hits and plows, him from solitude on marit lage)

Match 3: UWr Standstill (my deck I lent to him) (won 3-0)
This guy is normally on grixis control, but he didn't have time to stop home before work and he's a trustworthy guy so I lent him standstill.
G1: We both mull to 6 - he ends up brainstorm locking himself and just instantly concedes :/
G2: I t1 mom and force him to have to fetch a tundra - he has another land but I have wasteland into a rishadan port and he just can't recover.
G3: This was an actual game - he has a t2 standstill after plowing my mom (haha) and I have to play it slow. He gets an eternal dragon eternalized with 4 cards in hand, so when I plow it eot to break the standstill he still has 7 cards sadly. I double-drop creatures my next turn, and he has to force 1 and pending the other. He gets another standstill in that I end up breaking, but he never really develops a big threat. I'm able to control his mana somewhat, and at some point I force him to play the wandering emperor pre-combat with rishadan port so I can attack and kill it.
(cont). Also, pic related was my life sheet for game 1 against lands. It was definitely one of the more intense legacy games I've played, certainly the most intense without blue on either side.
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>>86124759
>>86124772
Match 4: Mono-red stompy
G1: He has a t1 rabble that I end up being forced to solitude. The game kind of stalls out - he kills my sfm with bonecrusher to delay my batterskull, but the only threat he has before that is a 1/1. Eventually I get a late vial to 5 and get to vial in yorion to blink my thalia, which allows me to hardcast batterskull. He plays a fireflux squad and prays it hits something amazing (I don't even know what it could hit), but it hits a magus and he scoops
G2: We both mull to 6 - his opener is dependent on a sulfur elemental being unstoppable for me, but I have solitude. I end up with a thalia versus a rabblemaster, but I draw into jitte and he's not able to keep me off of making it active. I have double rishadan port at that point versus his 2 mountains 1 chrome mox, and he calls it.

Thoughts: Deck was fun, and lion sash overperformed heavily. It was a bad night for spirit of the labyrinth (it was for all intents and purposes a blade of the sixth pride every time I saw it), but that's just how some matchups go. I also need to get an archivist of oghma to test out for some of these grindier matchups, especially the maverick ones (which seemed to be common). I'm also a bit unsure about the grafdigger's cage, and I wonder if it's fine to be on 4 gy hate, but I don't know what matchups other than reanimator I'm now losing EV in (it's generally a bit too narrow for bringing in against zenith decks). I also want to try out an extraction specialist, maybe instead of the 4th spirit or something.
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>>86124732
I don't get it. What makes it not work?
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>>86124787
Henze is pretty esoteric. I'll try to explain.

>BLITZ is a static ability which says 'As long as this creature's blitz cost was paid, it has haste and "When this creature dies, draw a card."
and
>When you cast a spell for its blitz cost, sacrifice the permanent it becomes at the beginning of the next end step.

Henzie's static ability only applies to creature SPELLS. Not ones on the battlefield.

You cast a spell for its Blitz cost via Henzie. It enters the battlefield, and stops being a spell, and it loses blitz.
Because of how Blitz was worded in the comprehensive rules, it is a STATIC ability that grants a creature certain modifiers if its blitz cost was paid, plus an additional triggered effect of added sacrifice at eot WHEN the cost is paid.
A creature on the battlefield without blitz only gains "Sacrifice this at the end step" from the triggered ability, but not haste or the draw card clause, because of how it is worded.

With Henzie on release, all you could do with it was cast creatures for an alternate cost that caused them to be sacrificed at the end of turn.
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>>86124190
No. They should have all been silver border, none should be legal, and stickers should have been permanent alterations to the card; like the "legacy" board game meme.
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Oh You're a magic fan? Name every white card that starts with X.
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>>86124190
Silver borders on the M15 border was the ugliest fucking border in MTG history and i still prefer it over acorns.
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>>86121041
>TQ
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>>86122448
This card doesn't work in the CR even without counting stickers.

The "effects" part alone makes it unworkable
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>>86122568
Six by my count
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>>86124848
Then how did they fix it?
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>>86121041
>Do you have a favorite cycle of cards? If not, what's your favorite card that's part of a cycle?
og avatar cycle

Avatar of Woe is my cardfu.
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>>86121068
current iteration, Plaguecrafter is very powerful
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>>86124536
The year is 20XX and virtually everyone has a personal datapad that acts as a worldwide network uplink node, among numerous other features. Even in poor, developing countries they are not an uncommon sight. For many, these personal datapads have replaced virtually all other telecommunication and entertainment devices. They have become so ubiquitous in society that it's considered unusual to go without one. Some even consider it irresponsible. It's not uncommon for even small children or the elderly to carry one.
It's fascinating how we're so subtly living in the future and we hardly notice because it's more mundane than we could've ever possibly imagined.
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>>86124848
They updated the rules so henzie works.
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>>86125029
Yep.
Seems to happen a lot these days.
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>>86122448
Unfinity is by far the worst set in recent memory
It's so bad it might even trump Ikoria
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>X-acto knife {0}
>artifact
>if your opponent starts to act like a smart-ass, you may place this into your hand from outside the game
>tap the table: stab target opponent x times, where x is equal to the amount of times they acted like a little shit
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>>86125079
Ooooh, not white, sorry. Nice guess but maybe netter luck next time
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>>86124998
>>86124848
They couldn't have just made him "creature cards you own with mana value 4 or less have blitz"?
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>>86124953
>
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>>86124953
As an avid lorefag, there is nothing that I despise more than the term Vorthos, which was clearly a marketing term from its inception.
The literal embodiment of Vorthos being an annoying Bolasfag is delicious irony that went over wotc's heads
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>>86124953
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>>86125142
whenever I see the word Vorthos, my brain tries to correct it to Porthos and I get sad when the card art doesn't have a Musketeer or a beagle.
also, lol at the pic
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>>86125142
given how long this set has been going on it's probably before war fucked up the landing tremendously
not that the leadup was any good, mind you, but still
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>>86125132
Maybe they could have done
>Each creature spell you cast with mana value 4 or greater has blitz. The blitz cost is equal to its mana cost. It gains haste and “When this creature dies, draw a card.” (You may choose to cast that spell for its blitz cost. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.)
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this set is actually so fucking gay
i honestly thought they could never top battlebond and ikoria
how could i have been so foolish
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>>86124635
>>86124703
What is the difference
>if you cast a permanent spell, it gains "exile"
>whenever you cast a creature spell, it gains "exile"
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>>86125224
abilities that change characteristics of spells that become permanents only remain on permanents if they are activated or triggered.

Static abilities only modify things that are stated in the ability, with no carry-over across zones because that would be impossible. If a static ability says it influences spells, that is what it influences, it will never influence permanents those spells become.
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>>86125219
i was gonna ask what your problem with battlebond was but then remembered it had a bunch of dumb esports cards
ikoria doesn't have much narrative issues on the cards though they did have companions
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>>86125236
So it's the "if" and "whenever"?
Also just noticed that casting a dragon from the graveyard via other sources also triggers that, doesn't it? Kind of sucks ass.
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>>86125263
>Also just noticed that casting a dragon from the graveyard via other sources also triggers that, doesn't it?
Yeeeeep.
Typically these abilities are worded like

>You may cast X things from your graveyard. WHEN you cast a spell this way, it gains etc. etc. etc.

But Wizards just dunked their head in retard juice and forgot how to word cards.
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Is it me or have like the last 6-8 sets been bad (except nu-kamigawa)
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>>86125326
my ass is fuckin' grass man
laser samurai bullshit was the only not atrocious set in years

I honestly expected it to be a trashfire, how the fuck...
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>>86125326
>Dominaria 2
fairly good
>meme mobsters
was less awful than expected i guess
>kamigawa
mostly very good
>Innistrad 4
ehhh kind of shit yea
>Innistrad 3
day/night was cool so that was something
>DND
pretty good even if the bahamut+tiamat cards sucked dick
>Harry potter
pretty bad yea archive was cool
>Kaldheim
largely whatever but vorinclex was cool
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It's shit, but I love it
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>>86125459
The flavor text should've been,
>Can you believe they're still buying cards?
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>>86125326
>dominaria united
Couldve been ok honestly but too many shit legendaries and nothing felt that interesting besides maybe the defilers
>Streets of New Capenna
A demon ruled city shoulda been my jam but it’s just gangster furries and it focused WAY too hard on the 3 colour stuff, fuck that
>Neon Dynasty
People hate it fucked with the lore, and that’s understandable but I think the cards were fun, and i guess im a normie into that futuristic neon punk shit
>Crimson Vow
Eh. Couldve been worse, but not by much. Booba vampires are nice.
>Midnight Hunt
Day/Night is fucking awful, werewolves in W/U/B is awful. Also what the fuck happened between Eldritch Moon and now? I don’t think you simply come back from having half the plane mutated in to monstrous lovecraftian slaves. Hate it.
>Adventures in the Forgotten Realms
Probably the least offensive crossover. I actually like some of the cards but it’s a mostly weak set carried by treasures, and I don’t care how thematic it is, treasures are fucking awful
>Strixhaven
Honestly, have barely interacted with this set, but some cards look neat. Also not that jaded to hate the setting but it’s nothing to be proud of either.
>Kaldheim
I like it, fortell and snow and the flip gods are cool. Really just needed more sets to flesh it out.

Yeah, I’m not too disappointed, but that doesn’t mean I’m still not disappointed a little. Mostly it all just feels too safe
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>>86125505
>People hate it fucked with the lore
Honestly, I'm really in awe at how well they handled it. Neon Dynasty could have been much MUCH worse
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>>86125505
>>86125578
given how people expected nu kamigawa to be one of the worst things ever even while it wasn't perfect it was about as much as it could be from modern wotc
the "big" issues is that it kind of ignored its own story
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48_HnnUD0KA
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>>86125623
Fuckin haggish yenta
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>>86125142
What?
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>>86125709
bolasfags are extremely obnoxious and after how comically retarded they made him in war and how awful everything related to that was it's even easier to laugh at them than it was before
but post-war the lore has at least in general been much better
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>>86125744
I dunno how to tell you this anon, but the Vorthos card is how WotC see you. You are the annoying Bolasfag
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>>86125775
but I don't really care about any of the characters and am mostly just interested in the story in a nebulous sense since they fuck it up half the time
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>>86125623
>invent a fucking minigame for a single card
>make it rare so barely anyone experiences it in draft, the only place where it'll see play
classic wizards
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>>86125775
>wotc being annoyed at their fans correcting them on their own lore
>wotc being equally annoyed at their unsuferrable capeshitter audience that they themselves created
I don't know how you can see either of those things as anything beside a win
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>>86125786
What in the unholy fuck am I looking at here

What is the point of running Wolfwillow Haven over Utopia Sprawl
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>>86125786
real shit
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>>86125842
Oh I thought this was the Modern Magic General, excuse my previous comment I suck cocks
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>>86125505
>Also what the fuck happened between Eldritch Moon and now? I don’t think you simply come back from having half the plane mutated in to monstrous lovecraftian slaves.

The writers thought wiccan stuff and a vampire wedding were much more interesting, I guess. And also Thalia and Odric get their shit wrecked in some side story just for good measure.
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>>86125370
>>Dominaria 2
>fairly good
Anon you still have dopamine from spoiler season. The set is looking pretty shit except if you are a commander player, if soo you should find the appropriate thread.
Maybe in the next few days we see that there are other good cards in the set to at least make it a good set in card quality, but outside of that another set with limited solved, and pretty much what i comment in your next entry.
>>meme mobsters
>was less awful than expected i guess
Shit and contradicting (not well thought story).
Shit cards outside of the new triomes and (ehh) 5 cards that 2 are retarded good.
Shit theme as they inapt to even make good cards or in theme cards for famous mafia terms.
Limited was shit.
Products were shit (except i guess for the new design of prerelease kits).
Shit revision of cards (it was a theme of this thread) with even a commander card that doesn't work withing the rules.
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>>86125857
>And also Thalia and Odric get their shit wrecked in some side story just for good measure.
what are you talking about thalia and odric obliterated those vampires
odric was being kind of mopey after he realized the very badly kept secret of the inquisition being evil and then he beat up some vampires then thalia literally crashess through the roof to help him beat up more vampires
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>>86125872
Man, why did Odric3 have to be such a shit card. Also he should’ve been the only innistraf vampire with white in its colour identity
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>>86125505
>>86125857
also for general story people are still dying and olivia is bored and wants to take over all of the vampires so she makes up the wedding to do that, shadows block is "the travails" and everyone has ptsd from it and is still sometimes killing random tentacle things but after like six nightmare apocalypses you can only get so much ptsd
though the "oh hey there was this GIANT ASTROLABE HERE THE ENTIRE TIME" was dumb, making it up as some pre-avacyn theology at least makes sense
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>>86125856
It was, but modern is dead for about 1 and a half year and thus /mmg/ became /mtg/ for good.
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>>86125872
Did we read the same story? It opens up with Thalia explaining in a letter how she got her ass kicked so hard that she lost Saint Traft. Then Odric and Thalia get their asses kicked together by the demon vampires, who turn Odric into a vampire. They win in the end because they tricked the vampires with holy water blood and Odric went full Blade on their asses after getting turned, but it wasn't exactly a graceful victory.
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>>86125898
>making it up as some pre-avacyn theology at least makes sense
This is even dumber cause it happened over more than a thousand years ago and innistrad literally have giant worms, werewolfs, devils all close to were this retarded wiccan thing was.
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>>86125972
and also apparently a giant evil snake demon that they offhandedly kill
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>>86124732
I'm a ruleslet, why is it that you can even use the ability to give blitz at all? The creatures only have blitz after you have already cast them and blitz says 'you may choose to cast that spell for its blitz cost' but you can only make that choice before casting no?
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>>86125786
So what's the actual plan here? Fog to stay alive until you can ramp into Narset+Undoing to clear the opponent's hand and activate Sylex to clear the board. Then whittle the opponent down with Wolfwillow tokens and manlands?
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>>86125993
that's the plan with geier reach sanitarium eventually being a lock
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>>86125954
i guess, she definitely shows up in a heroic manner and they fight them for a little while but then they just have a lot more vampires+demons show up or something with the demonfucker vampire and then yea they do holy water blood because odric is pure of heart something something
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>>86125972
I like the idea the people of innistrad might have had a more pagan religion. But Avacyn has been there religion for 1000 fucking years with no competition. Who fucking remembers?
You could argue that our world knows of religions from millennia go, but I don’t think it’s shown anywhere in Innistrad that there are people who give a fuck about their history. And why would there be? There’s pre-Avacyn where human life was pretty fucking bad, and then there’s post-avacyn’s creation where life is still bad but less so, to an actual decent degree
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>>86126042
they don't ever really talk about innistrad pre-vampire but it was presumably less bad pre-vampire, at least for some people
and they had all the old cut people on ravnica too
but it is a pretty big asspull alongside ancient ruins in zendikar
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>>86126021
I don't know, seems kinda slow and vulnerable even with the fogs and ramp.
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>>86126054
Yeah but pre-vampire was a super long time ago right? Talking 6-7000 years or so. There’s definitely no fucking way they have any history from back then unless it’s in the hands of the vampires themselves
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man
with how bad things have gotten, Maro was right...
>You will look back with nostalgia

I miss decks with kino names like "Money Pile" and "Snowko"... now it's just...

>Murktide Regent
>Omnath
>Living End
>Crashing Footfalls

when does the kino come back, bros?
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>>86126243
hoof there it is had too much sovl
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>>86126255
The decks are JUST THE NAME OF A CARD FROM MH2 NOW.
It's so fucking soulless man...
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>>86126277
at least it's mildly better than [color] [playstyle]
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>>86126243
Never. Now eat up. We've got a third helping on the way.
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>>86125142
>>86125744
>>86125787
Vorthos is a Bolas-cocksucker? Good thing it's a girl.
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>>86125989
The card states that the spell gains "...", by mtg rules whenever a card leaves a zone to another zone it becomes a new object exactly how they are printed.

More detailed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScHuty-am74

Did they fixed it? Yeah, changing rules.

From the same judge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYCAi5MWE4
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>>86125142
vorthos is just timmy
melvin is just johnny

they aren't separate things
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>>86126407
it's an easy out for "person who cares about lore" it's just that vorthos and melvin are much more nebulous since there are an infinte array of things you could like/dislike about the ,ore whereas if you're a timmy/johnny/spike you are generally going to be in the same wheelbarrow as another timmy johnny or spike
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>>86126413
>The card states that the spell gains "...", by mtg rules whenever a card leaves a zone to another zone it becomes a new object exactly how they are printed.
Forgot to add: Soo as the spell leaves the battlefield it becomes a new thing and because of that it loses the blitz sac clause, etc. (just the spell have blitz, not the permanent)
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>>86126417
>caring about wotc's made up linguo
lorefags didn't wait for wizard to notice them to autistically pick apart their lore
Why should we care about their subjective interpretation of lorefags ? The timmy/johnny/spike trio at least makes sense as you've often met players who fall somewhat into these categories. But Maro's rants on the topic of lore interpretation is far from anything I've seen in reality

Just take a look at his masturbatory writing on the topic (pic related). It's quite literally meaningless drivel that wouldn't be displaced in a 16 personality quizz description.
If anyone else would have written that stuff, you'd be well in your right to call them a schizo
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>>86126633
>caring about wotc's made up linguo
timmy, johnny and spike are now pretty much core concepts in game design, for player metrics.
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>>86126637
yes, as my post highlighted, I am well aware of that fact and even agree with those descriptors
I am disputing the latter two
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>>86126637
>>86126655
>>86126633
timmy/johnny/spike is just a boiling down of bartle psychographics where they got rid of hearts
spades are johnnies, clubs are spikes, and diamonds are timmies
though i guess you could say melvin/vorthos are vaguely analogous to hearts
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>>86126662
I mean, all personality classification systems are pretty much the same when you get down to it
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>>86126695
sure i guess, but maro wasn't exactly subtle about just aping bartle, he even explicitly says it's just bartle but slightly changed in his original articles on the subject too
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>>86121041
If you've played during Portal riddle me this: Why did people hate the p/t sword/shield thing?

Seems easy enough to ignore. Especially with instants being Sorceries being the much bigger "problem".
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>>86125236
I slight of mind your White Knight to have protection from Green while it's on the stack, that change is permanent, and always has been.
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>>86126857
slight of mind is a spell, not a static ability
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>>86126780
Portal is meant to be a intro set for newbies. Hence the sword/shield and sorceries with timings explicitly stated on the card. No one hates it; it wasn't legal for constructed tournament decks anyway.
It's only later that WotC realised that having a seperate newbie set was not a good idea as it seperated the players. Some of the rules got simplified to get the newer players; see the removal of banding & trample being codified.
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>standard is more expensive than pioneer
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people called me retard when I said Sheoldred is going to see some legacy play
now people trying to the right shell for her
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Is Unfinity coming to Mtg Arena clients?

>>86121041
>TQ
The orginal instant cycle. It was pay one colored mana for an effect x3.
W Healing Salve
U Ancestral Recall
B Dark Ritual
R Lightning Bolt
G Giant Growth

Guess only Giant Growth & Healing Salve could be reprinted but the rest are too powerful.
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>>86127317
maybe, the last dnd set did and it was a supplemental set, kind of
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>>86127317
salve is beyond worthless, ritual is fine, and bolt is also (mostly) fine
ancestral is the only issue
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>>86127134
ahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahaha
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>>86127392
>That art
>Sci fi bodysuit on an attractive, white female.
>The hair color is forgiveable because set and she's not a slampig.
The game is saved!
I'm gonna do it
I'm gonna make a BIG GAY coomander deck
it's gonna be great
i'm gonna have so much FUN
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>>86127191
>Big Black Decks make up more than half the standard meta
I'm reminded of MaRo saying Play Design tests almost exclusively for Standard.
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>>86124759
>>86124772
>>86124774
nice!
I don't play death and taxes but I always enjoy reading about it, thanks for sharing
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>>86127392
So whats the timing on that ability? Like do I need to use it immediately after rolling, or can I just wait and reroll dice I rolled two turns ago?
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>>86127446
i would assume before you use whatever the role is, the ones that have stored results usually have just another way of rerolling
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>>86122192
>>86122415
I am sorry to disappoint you my Peruano friend but that was not me.
Also I have never used reddit in my life.
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>Honk! Honk!
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>>86127487
for fuck sake it's actually a fucking clown car
this set
it just keeps on giving
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>>86124759
shitty lands, shitty rest in peace.
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>>86127487
So if you roll 0 D6, would your result be 0, thus even, giving it a +1/+1 counter?
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>>86127506
it would be N/A
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>>86127506
>>86127520
0 is an even number, so yes.
this is a 2/2 vehicle with crew 2 for zero at its worst.
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>>86127523
>>86127506
no it's not you dumbasses you don't get a result of 0 if you don't roll any dice
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>>86127531
i roll
ZERO
dice

result?
Z E R O.
Even number. Case closed.
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>>86127487
>it's legal
Finally I can play a deck that represents me!
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>>86122395
That would be really cool actually.
Okay before you go
>Onions! Ebin! Marvel!
on my ass, that would mean Legacy is in a place where you can play CMC4 permanants that don't effectively end the game on ETB and still win. Jace can't even win the game on his own, he wants you to run enough creatures to make use of the Raging River effectively. The dog is not only RW but super inconsistent, I saw something on The Source about trying to high roll it with Barbarian Class and that frankly sounds hilarious.
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>>86127487
this card really speaks to me
like it's calling out
trying to tell me something...
something about the state of the game...
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>>86127547
What is a "result"? Can you get a "result" w/o rolling? Your wanting to interpret rules a certain way does not make it so. This isn't 40k you mong.
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>>86127597
It is an unset. The abilities are made up and the results don't matter.
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>>86127392
>meganibbler
*chuckles*
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>>86127603
Clown car is legacy legal
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>>86127664
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
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>>86127668
beep beep
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>>86127676
I still can't believe you can use name stickers to dodge pithing needle.
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>>86127688
this is what you get for not letting maro have squirrels for all those years
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>>86127688
There are better ways to answer Needle than a 3U 3/3
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>>86127694
Maro is like the mentally retarded kid who always suggests out ideas and gets responded "no, that's retarded we can't do that" and then he gets hold of a loaded gun, points it at you with an angry face and says: who's the retard now?
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>>86127709
and there are better ways to put stickers on things than a 3U 3/3 also. Name stickers have no ticket cost.
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>>86127714
it's not even that really, he's gone on record saying that everyone who didn't want squirrels just doesn't work there anymore
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so uhh what do we play now? yugioh? fab? digimon? duel masters?
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>>86127731
cube and goat format
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>>86127676
Why is this the best looking girl so far?
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>>86127759
A cute un-card, but doesn't work so well with socially awkward sweaty neckbeards...
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>>86127759
are we seriously copying metazoo right now LMFAO
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>>86127134
>that flavour text
we are not amused
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>>86127134
>Whenever you place a sticker, create a treasure token.
>No acorn.
>Whenever you place a sticker....
>Create a treasure token...
>Legal.
>Eternal legal.
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>>86127797
>>86127797
>>86127797
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>>86127759
This makes me sad not to be American.
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>>86124619
If you can manage to actually DO that, good on you. I regretfully have 3 on my person at all times during work, and it fucking sucks.
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>>86127487
Well, One card that is ironically fun in this god forsaken set, lmao



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