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Second Edition really saved the game from the laughing stock its first attempt was. It revitalised a bunch of WHFB armies that only felt like begrudged holdovers to keep players in 1st edition and the whole Malign Portents deal really drew people in.

But over the last two years they have constantly shit the bed. From obvious goofs like trying to balance the game like a videogame esport while massively supporting two armies and giving the rest a single model or fuck all to rule changes like coherency that many felt broke too many armies and in general there has been a decline in online traffic, views and interactions along with tournaments having to downsize.

To say the game is not as healthy as it was in 2nd is an obvious statement. Right from the "s-selling fast, only 3000 copies!" starter box shit that still didn't sell out till like its 7th month on the shelves and criticisms of putting out "primaris stormcast" for a already bloated army line rather than something new felt off. Along with cutting short a series of update books that in the worst case was out for a couple of weeks before its legality on the tabletop became questionable.

But nowadays even the diehards that make warhammer their whole identity online have dropped the game for stuff like Necromunda or tabletop games like Call of Cthulhu or Pathfinder. With any cross media attempts like videogame or card game ties in swiftly dying after release.

Without shitposting or neckbeard corpo brand defend how are you honestly feeling about Age of Sigmar in 2022?
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>>86115175
Carnac, that's a lot of words I ain't readin'.
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Only in the heads of the grogs who think TOW is ever coming out. Where it lives rent free.
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>>86115175

>there has been a decline in online traffic, views and interactions along with tournaments having to downsize.

...do you have figures to back this up?

I'm not doubting it for a moment, but if you are actually a GW employee can you please post this.

It would be fascinating.
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>>86115200

Sure thing boss.

>Threadlet who has never played WHFB or the total war games.

Sure thing.
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>>86115201
Go look up any of the aritsts they pick from instagram or twitter for their artist spotlight in White Dwarf and those that are still touching warhammer are hard into Leagues of Votann right now or Ash Wastes. Outside of Golden Demon painters like Vince Venturella working on their latest degenerate centerpiece model theres just not a lot of AoS talk outside of the people that make it their living via patreon and youtube channels.
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i think GW is in general dying off
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>>86115215
It's the same as always
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>>86115242
the whole bongland is going under
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>>86115239
Google traffic has never been a reliable metric no matter what /v/ might tell you. Sales tell a different story. With AoS circa 2020 being the second best selling tabletop game in the western world according to industry sources that get collated for charts but over the last two years marvel crisis protocol, star wars and dungeons and dragons minis have all overtaken AoS as its fallen out of the top 5 charts and is listing close to the bottom of the top ten.
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>>86115264
Show the sales data.
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>>86115215
Wow, you are so disconnected to the hobby and reality it's astounding.
I know we're on tg/ but at least TRY to go into an hobby store before talking.
If you want my opinion yes, 3.0 was kinda disappointing, but its mostly related to the period it came out .
Corona fucked the hobby A LOT, and the downfall economy and price rising doesn't help sustaining a niche, expensive hobby
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>>86115264
>only counting yankie LGS and not GW stores
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My local club has at least 6 games of 40k every week, never seen a single AoS.
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>>86115175
>Is Age of Sigmar actually dying
No its not.
What we see now is the result of multiple unfortunate events.
>in general there has been a decline in online traffic, views and interactions along with tournaments having to downsize.
The pandemic has led to an increased interest in tabletop that is now vanishing
>Right from the "s-selling fast, only 3000 copies!" starter box shit
That one was obvious even before release because the box appeals neither to orc players that don't want knock off LOTR orcs and stormcast players don't want to rebuy their army.
Another factor is that gw's release schedule is still fucked and things either get pumped out in bulks or shit is more dry than a dessert.
>Without shitposting or neckbeard corpo brand defend how are you honestly feeling about Age of Sigmar in 2022?
It's alright 3rd edition sucks but every game has those periods
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>>86115175
Honestly, I think a big reason why the 3rd edition starter stuff didn't sell as well is because the Kruleboyz are just fucking stupid and pointless as a faction. They look like they belong in LotR, and the other Greenskins factions already had the whole "gross swamp creature" thing going.
A lot of people got into second edition just because of how cool and unique the Nighthaunt models were.
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>>86115188
Don't take this utterly pathetic shit outside of /4kg/.
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>>86115254
this is what reddit readers actually believe
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I like AoS but I'm waiting out the 'kill your battleline double quick' season. Especially now that everything revolves around purple sun and the elemental thing.
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>>86115175
Honestly, I don't care. It's dead to me either way.
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>>86118021
This desu. Once they've done enough of these stupid seasonal books there'll be enough battalions actually worthwhile for players to cobble together their own rulesets that make units strategically valuable and worthwhile, rather than "This year we'll be killing X unit type".
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>>86115867
not that anon but corona increased GW profits considerably so this isnt the whole picture

then again i just play Kill Team with the models ive had for the last 17 years and the rules i downloaded from here
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>>86115175
For me, I am/was a Skaven player, Pestilens to be exact.
2e was amazing, then 3e came and it's reinforcement of units rule to quell blob armies (like Skaven, though others like Gobbos relied on it) ruined the game for me.
My Plague Monks now are mainly in squads of 10 and at 6+ armour and no ranged weapons are btfo'd by ranged weapon units, that fire then get overwatch when I charge, then attack again in melee.
Oh yeah, Overwatch fucks melee armies and is nothing but a benefit for archer focused lists...
I know I'm not alone in feeling put out by this broken ruling also. I hoped min units for my Plague Monks would go up to 20 in the new battletome (they're sold in a box of 20 and must be the only unit I know that doesn't have their box content as their min size), though no - still 10.
My Skaven now gather dust as I now have what was my fun ratboys in 2e are now unplayable. I spent £200 on them, so unless 4th edition does something to change this for mine and other armies fucked over from it, I don't see the point in playing this broke ass game now.
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>>86118021
Why not just do Narrative or Open Play, or just Matched Play out of the main rulebook? Those rules only apply if you're using the General's Handbook.
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>>86115175
I joined in late 2e, so don't have much to compare it to, but I like the game a LOT more than where 40k is currently, and it's become my preferred GW wargame. It helps that the 3e battletomes have, so far, not broken the game, with no armies becoming ridiculously overpowered after they get their book, at least not compared to other 3e armies. As a Nighthaunt player, the only thing I didn't like about our book was the lack of unique heroic actions and unique battalions.
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>>86115175
>massively supporting two armies and giving the rest a single model or fuck all
Age of Sigmar is a new game anon, they don't need a constant treadmill of redesigning the redesign of the redesign of a fucking elf.
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>entire global economy collapsing
>hobby spending dips
>TOTAL WAR BROS WE WON GW WILL FINALLY APOLOGIZE FOR SIGMARINES THIS IS OUR TIME
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>>86115894
>current year
>warbammer stores
>existing
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>>86115264

I too am interested in

>Sales tell a different story.

The sales data. Please post.
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>>86118416

>AoS is a new game
>That's been out for 7 years
>And is in its 3rd edition
>New

Sure thing buddy.
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>>86118445

>Times get tight
>All the fucking secondaries and filthy casuals leave the hobby

And this is a Bad thing. Yeah, sure thing pal.
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3rd edition is just not fun
If I wanted to play a competitively balanced game where I have to manage stratagems, secondary objectives, detachments and all this other bullshit I'd just go play 40k.
AoS appeal was that it was a simple beer and pretzel system, but the designers decided to make it 40k-lite while also raping half the armies in the game with core rules changes and slowly releasing nothing but dogshit content so far. Add in stuff like ugly looking new models, pandemic, AoS newfags getting around to discovering other systems and settings, and people being unable to properly play their army, it is no wonder the game feels dead this edition
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>>86115175
I never touched it. I wouldn’t mourn for it. Having said that, unlike many people who try to treat WHFB and AOS as separate competitors rather than two extensions of the same malign tumor, I think AOS’s failings are a grim omen for WHFB2EB’s own success. Really, GW only has brand recognition to keep it bulldozing on through catastrophic blunder after catastrophic blunder, and I think woe awaits all of these, not just AoS.

This isn’t to say it will crash and burn, though- it will persist long after it’s lost all remaining scraps of value it still has now.
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I do play both systems...my conclusion is:

40k: almost all the players are just there for the lore...they dont even like the game but play it anyways since they are hardcore lord fanatics

AoS: internet is working hard to make fun of it, must people eat that and dont even try the game (lore is not at the 40k lvl but w/e) The game is way better than 40k, I dont get why people feels the rules are complicated, theyr not..Al the miniatures are also way better and we are not a 90% spacemarine playersbase.
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>>86119803
It's still weird to me that AoS is on the same edition as 40k was when I got into it, yet half as old and not a quarter as intriguing.
Seven years into this and there is nothing approaching the myth of old 40k building at all.
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>>86120115
40k is somehow both insanely boring and also strangely convoluted. AoS is better in the sense that it is simply just boring as fuck.
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>>86115175
No, it's just suffering from the start of edition lull that GW usually does and suffering the consequences of the Pandemic logistic issues.
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>>86117886
Interesting take. I've never been close to AOS but I always assumed it was the opposite. I may well be in the minority but if kruleboyz were a subfaction of orcs and goblins in whfb (and weren't called "kruleboyz", jfc) then I'd probably have bought them, they're the only AOS stuff that's got me close to starting the game. On the other hand, I never ever saw the appeal of a whole faction spawned from the VC cairn wraith model, including but not limited to WoW-tier ghosty skeleton bois in blankets, ghosty skeleton bois in blankets on ghosty horses with skeleton heads, and spoopy ghosty dog skeletons in blankets with pointy sticks
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As a WH Fantasy old player and fan, I never got interested in AoS. I bought a Kharadron starter box couple of years ago, but I don't understand the book, don't undertand scrolls or armies or however this game works, and also having thousands of books doesn't help to make things clearer. Would like to give it a try though.

I believe the game suffer from the "responsibility" or carrying over old armies just to not annoy old players. Same as 40K when they invented the primaris instead of substituting the old marines models.
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>>86121009
>I believe the game suffer from the "responsibility" or carrying over old armies just to not annoy old players
Tangential but honestly, would it have been so resource intensive to keep the old fantasy ranges on life support as webstore exclusives? Feel like it'd have bought a lot of goodwill for AOS.
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>>86121104
Probably, but then they'd had to sculpt minimum 4 armies for the launch.
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It's kinda weird, 35 people signed up for an AOS league here mid-pandemic and then it just kinda disappeared. And this was an LGS in a smallish Midwestern city.

I don't follow 40K closely anymore but the Other Games always seem to get a boost whenever it's stumbling and disappear when there's a fresh new edition or a really good release like sisters. Maybe people are excited about new Squats and some of the nice Kill Team sets?

Seems like there's a weird amount of people interested in LOTR now. Maybe it's 00's nostalgia and LOTR being on peoples radar again because of RoP.

I'm really curious what will happen with Old World. GW really seems to be keeping mum about it and squandering all the interest in the setting that Total War revived.
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>>86115206
>or the total war games.
Every time. Not a single one of these anti-AoS redditors has actually played WHFB on tabletop. He even redditspaces, it's beautiful.
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literally the number of tournaments & attendentancced doubled from this time last year

please post sales data (global) or shut the fuck up
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My local store kinda neglects AOS, which sucks. Like, they've been out of stuff for STD for months now. They just don't bother restocking it. They only have a box of chaos spawn and the new Start Collecting! box.

Also, the 40k channel on their discord has people in it every day, but the AOS channel went 2 months at a time without any responses at one point. Big oof.
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I just don't find an army that really grabs me. They've taken cool parts of WHF armies and them the entire army. Kind of off-putting unless you LOVED slayers or ghosts or trees. Then the steam punk dwarfs, which honestly don't even match the aesthetics. Just a strange mish mash. I do think they shouldn't have ported over an of the WHF models and just started fresh. Just go full bore. Same with primaris.
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>>86120115
>and we are not a 90% spacemarine playersbase
Yeah, we are 90% elf playerbase
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>>86115175
No idea. Warcry and Underworlds are still played at my LGS but I have no idea about the bigger games like 40k
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>>86115175
You think they’ll ever give AOS a video game boost like 40K has? If they want to make it work they should just let’s others boost the popularity outside the tg crowd. Feel like they could do an action adventure game or something more expensive like a RPG going the route of Witcher or Elder Scrolls
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Is the MEGA still dead yet?
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>>86125702
All the video game juice not going to 40k is going to the fucking old world funnily enough.
Total War saved the setting from falling into cultural irrelevance and confused a fucking lot of secondaries
>wait, what do you mean they blew up the old world?
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>>86125702
there's an AOS VR game
I hear its bleh
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>>86125723
They swaped to a different system months ago
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>>86115175
Locally, interest goes like 40k>>>>>>>>>>Necromunda>Warcry>Bloodbowl>>>AoS

mesbg and underworlds are nonexistant
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Fact is GW don't make good games and most of their fans are only in it for the lore.
AOS has crap lore.
Ergo, AOS doesn't have a target audience
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>>86125855
>AOS has crap lore.
Eh, I thought so too when it first released and it was all Sigmarines vs Chaos. But I like the Death faction, and the lore snippets we get describing the Underworld's arenas are interesting.
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>>86125747
VR is still niche and developing, it’s not like it isn’t a market but you’d think they try to push AOS more on the bigger genres. Old world has the RTS, maybe give AOS just bigger budget stuff
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>>86125772
Got a link?
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Eh? On the internet I keep hearing about how AoS is the new 40K. ie The younger franchise that is more streamlined, more accessible, less toxic fanbase etc.
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>>86121236

>He played total war
>That means he never played WHFB back in the day!
>R-r-reddit poster!

Fucking pathetic, you know nothing AoSimplet
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Warcry > age of shitmar
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>>86118295
Well, MY rats doing better than ever.
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I want to get into Daughters of Khaine for Age of Sigmar but I'm worried people will think I'm either gay or a coomer. What should I do?
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>>86115175
It's was dead on arrival. Absolute trash game.
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>>86115175
No more Shark threads
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I don't think that AoS is particularly great but I will point this out:
I lost some of my units, wargear options, relics/warlord trait options, and the whole subfaction I played when my 40k army got a 9th edition book
I only lost some artefact/command trait options when my AoS army got a 3.0 book
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>>86125975
You are a coomer, accept it and embrace it
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you could write a lot about this if you wanted to. AoS has so many problems, but they did a couple things really well.

Lets talk about what went right first:

AoS does an okay job of bringing that 40k style of combat to a fantasy setting. Some of the models look very nice. I'm glad that, for the most part, all calvary looks vastly different from one another.

But this game just doesn't have spirit. Most people don't understand the setting and the setting doesn't particularly compel anybody enough to want to really learn it and try to understand it in the same way that 40k and WHFB did.

I totally understand GW ignoring their fans, half the time people are obstinate chuds that hate change. But AoS has serious problems and it's about time for GW to come back to reality and rework the setting some more.
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>>86119827
>Sell less units due to global economic crisis
>Company already known for being the most tight-fisted, money-grubbing, soul-sucking yids in the industry
And you don't think you'll have to burden those extra costs, or suffer a reduced line of output to only the best sellers, with even further reduced quality, when they want to maintain like-for-like profit margins how, you stupid cunt?
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If 2e was better why would people play 3e then? I get that events might be exclusively 3e but you can play whatever edition with your buddies.

Same is true for 40k, d&d etc. I mean the manufacturers dont have the same control on the tabletop as they have for online games
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>>86125728
There's also Vermintide -series, Mordheim game, probably more I forgot
Afaik GW doesn't contact studios to offer their licences, rather interested studios pitch their ideas to GW, so as relatively few people are inspired enough by AoS to make games in the setting, there are far fewer games.
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>>86126466
Sad that what constitutes a GW game being good now is "Well, I only lost a little options this update."
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>>86127064
Its how the cycle has been going for ages. They bloat up an edition with expansions and subfaction books then when they move to a new edition they don't bring them along for the ride. Or if they do get to be updated, its a shitty patch job
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Tomb kings being relegated to necromancer underlings with a brief pdf on their rules and their models discontinued made me lose interest.
Yes I could play another army I like, but what’s to stop GW from doing the same thing again?
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>>86126782

What? You mean like before 2015?

And before the LotR movie pump?

However will I fucking survive, you purchase obsessed simp.

>Because spoiler alert, some of us have been in this hobby for longer than the 5 fucking minutes you devote to it.
>Some of us have seen the ebb and flow of the fucking company, and because we give a shit about the hobby, continue to enjoy it.
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>>86127252
Basically nothing. If they want to kill a faction, they'll just do it and bollocks to any time and money you've put into it.
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>>86127252
You will not be missed.
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>>86125747
I watched a Let's Play. It's okay.

Except the part where the corrupted Penumbral Engine starts fucking with reality. That part was a masterpiece and had barely any enemies.
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>>86125855
It started not so good, but has been steadily improving. Especially when GW started to move the narrative and Cubicle 7 got to develop corners of the setting.

The Cubicle 7's new book about Greywater Fastness is a pretty good book that presents living in the city in an equally fucked-up and wholesome. An military industrial city full of entertainment, like bars and robot deathmatches, and bosses that enforce company currencies, but also only require 8 hours workdays and provide sleeping quarters for workers that live to far away. But the whole thing was created by one of the Changeling's personas and is slowly being corrupted by Khorne because the bosses are getting too obsessed with weapon development.

Also image-related is an Aelf character that leads the Freeguilds of that city.
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>>86125975
Don't worry. People will just think you are a feminazi.
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>>86125873
Yea I can kinda appreciate that it goes really gonzo in areas and isnt just high fantasy. Its not better than the old world but atleast it isnt the same stuff everyone else is doing.
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>>86120287
>2008-9
>40k 3e
I don't think so, chief.
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>>86129224

I think you misread what he meant.

I believe he meant he got into AoS around the same time 8th/9th ed 40k came out (or between the two, transition period). So around 2017-18.

In either case, massive new fag.
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>>86129735
>It's still weird to me that AoS is on the same edition as 40k was when I got into it, yet half as old and not a quarter as intriguing.

AoS is 7 years old and on it's third edition. 40k originally came out '87, plus 14 years is 2001 - which was third ed 40k - so what they says tracks.
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>>86115175
I like only the gloom gobbos. I wouldn't get them for anything but convertions though. Age of Ligma is just a shit name and overall a horrible and boring setting. They should retire AoS for good. It's incredibly unpopular and behind multiple other games that aren't even GW games in every hobbyshop
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As someone whol played a bunch of WHFB back in the day, AoS feels (at the very least) way more supported than WHFB was.
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>>86130388
That was the problem, yes.
>WHFB gets minimal support
>the scene dies
>GW kills the game
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>>86130420
Yeah, and I was pretty annoyed with AoS at the time for killing off a game I enjoyed - and having goofy rules like holding a mirror or having a more magnificient mustache.

But I enjoy the game for what it is now - there's definately some rules in there I prefer to their 40k equivalent (and some I like a lot less), and there's a charm to some of the more out-there sculpts you didn't get in WHFB (excluding things which came out around the end times like the Lothern Sky Cutter or the Stormfiends).

I can't say how popular AoS is/isn't compared to WHFB because the group I play WHFB is mostly the same as I played AoS with - and we didn't really have the same bajillion youtube batrep channels - but I can say it seems more suported. And unlike >>86130313 I have no desire to see GW just kill off a line again.
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>>86127047
GW should take more of an initiative when it comes to that, not go crazy but if they want to push a setting like AOS going after more gaming studios with the ip could do a lot for it.
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>>86130104
Can't expect retards to do math.
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>>86115175
I don't think anyone in FLGS gameshop plays AOS
the Domion box sets are still their in dusty shrinkwrap
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>>86134235
Eat shit and die bumpfag
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>>86117962
I dunno, I’m in bongland and it’s looking pretty fucking bleak right now.
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>>86134297
nah
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>>86125940
>doesn't deny it
You're a TWW secondary, a ledditor, and you have to go back.
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>>86115175
The starter box had several problems

The stormcast half was decent but it didn't contain any of the really strong FotM units, so waacfags weren't buying it 2nd hand, and because of the scalping issue with previous boxes they did actually produce a shit ton of them

Then you have the kruleboyz. I love em, but they are a marmite aesthetic, you'll either love em or hate them, almost no imbetween. On top of that, the army is super undertuned and overcosted, a very unforgiving and technical army to play it is not beginner friendly at all, probably one of the hardest armies to play well in the game, and again it contained almost none of their best units apart from a shaman foot hero and 3 crossboyz. Hobgrots and gutrippaz are dogshit in game so again, no waacfags buying extra copies.

All these factors put together made the perfect storm.

3e overall is...problematic. for every good rule change like toning down rerolls they added a bad one like the new coherency or save stacking. So it's been a divisive issue and the seasonal battle packs dramatically altering the core game haven't helped.

Then you have the fact that, for whatever reason GW just hasn't fucking made anything for 3E. Armies are getting bare bones tomes with almost nothing new added seemingly for no reason. Maybe it's the covid lag finally catching up to the release cycle, maybe it's just a "40k year" but it's been about a year of basically nothing releases. This is changing with the upcoming std refresh but weather that's an actual change in direction or just a momentary 1 off remains to be seen
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>>86125975
>I want to get into Daughters of Khaine for Age of Sigmar but I'm worried people will think I'm either gay or a coomer. What should I do?
If they call you a coomer, suck their dick to show you're actually gay. If they call you gay, also suck their dick.
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>>86125975
Nah it's a cool army.
I play them because I love glass cannon style play.

Also I'm seriously into femdom
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>>86115175
Haha shidding and farding? Or farding and cumming?
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The night gobbos rework they did is great. I love the weird moon face armour/masks the leaders have.
I'd never actually play them in AoS though since they're probably trash, but they're pretty neat in Warcry. They have cool tricky things they can pull like slingshoting trolls into enemies.
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>>86137455
>I'd never actually play them in AoS though since they're probably trash
They are easily the worst army in the game
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>>86137658
RIP moonbois.
Still fun in warcry though at least.
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>>86135398
>>86125940
Get a room you two and fuck it out already



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