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>>86114683
Get rid of the ranger part and have the class be a slowly growing pack of random animals instead
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>>86114851
>start out as one animal
>gaining HP means more low-tier animals are added that protect eachother
>gaining multiattack means that more predators with natural weapons join your pack
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>>86114683
>how would you fix the D&D 5e beast master ranger
I'd delete it from the game. I am sick and tired of pet classes. Fucking everyone has to play a pet class. "Bro le epic doggo isn't he the goodest boy every NPC had to pet my doggo haha PUPPER I love my doggo he's the goodest boy I'm going to have like 4 doggos and dress them in clothes" SHUT THE FUCK UP AND FUCK OFF. If you choose to play a pet character, YOU ARE A FLAT-OUT GODDAMN NARCISSIST. Stop it. I'm sick of everyone having 5 pets then complaining the dungeon rooms aren't large enough for their Huge sized animal companions when it's a giant atrium half the size of the entire battle mat, are you fucking stupid? I'm glad the beast master sucks ass, and if you play a druid then your pet should have 50 percent chance of biting your fucking face off every night while you sleep because it's a fucking WILD animal. I don't care. Name one ranger in a story who had a pet. Drizzt having Guenhwyvar was from a magic figurine. Aragorns pony was a fucking pony. Stop adding pet classes. Stop playing pet classes.
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>>86114851
>>86114930
if it is it's own class then it should have subclasses that deal with either a pack or a single monster.

I'd look up the White Lion from Warhammer Age of Reckoning video game for what I think is one of the best pet classes in a video game or beyond. it can specialise in:

>The pet being a damage dealer, with the white lion absorbing damage
>The pet and White Lion fighting together side by side
>The Lion being a distraction so the White Lion can get in attacks
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>>86114933
>Getting this mad over the unique trait Druids and Rangers have over their base Cleric and Fighter classes already

Do you get angry at Wizard Familiars too? I bet you don't because you sound like an angry autistic nogames faggot. Not everyone plays TTRPGs to directly and very specifically copy a trope or character from fiction, sometimes you want your own character, with choices.
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>>86114933
>Name one ranger in a story who had a pet
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>>86114933
Huan And Beren you fucking casual.
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>>86114930
>crow joins
>it scouts for the pack and can pick up small valuables to pay for stays at the inn

>elephant joins
>becomes the pack mapper since it never forgets
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>>86114933
You're fucking unhinged, but I agree with your core point.
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>>86115010
Why? Companions are fine in DnD unless you're already running with a crowded game, in which case that's your issue.

Druid and Ranger companions are nowhere near the level of issue that a Wizard casually summoning a large monster while spamming crowd control spells brings, especially because the Wizard basically gets to pick what counter-encounter it wants, while Rangers and Druids are fixed to medium and smaller, I have literally never had crowd issues with Rangers and Druids.
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I love pet classes, specially when the pet is the focus and becomes stronger than the character itself. Problem arises with action economy or giving a character more features than needed in order to make the pet feel special or relevant.

I like the take from Soul binder that makes your characetr a half caster with a d6 HD, but some of the subclasses seem a bit busted. Primal can give you a flying mount at lvl 1 which is pretty busted.
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The beastmaster is actual dogshit at its core. It can't be fixed with a buff.
Even outside of the lack of scaling and needing to sacrifice your action to let it have an action and the pet basically being dead weight outside the early game, it's even shit on the level of delivering the fantasy it promises.
The animal companion isn't designed to be your friend. It's designed to be a meat shield and generally disposable tool. There's even a mechanic where you can just casually get a new animal companion if yours dies.
Jeremy Crawford said they didn't expect people would get attached to their animal companion and thought people would just think of them mechanically.
Let me repeat that. They didn't expect that people who chose to play a subclass that has a pet as a class feature would get attached to their pet.
And the fact that someone could misunderstand human nature to such a degree is baffling.
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>>86114969
Shut the fuck up faggot. "I want my own chawactew I'm a speciaw snowflake" yeah well your character idea is stupid shit. And yeah if a wizard is always talking about epic burb familiar omg pet the burb it has feathers awww so cute show all the NPCs my heckin BIRB then yeah the next battles gonna be in a fuckin tornado and your "birb's" wings will be smashed beyond repair and you'll have to put it down. Fuck you. Fuck this nu male söyspeak of modern pudgy low test cuckolds who unironically discuss the pronouns of Magic the Gathering tranny planeswalkers while also saying "lol I do the thing, do you do the thing?" And in general speaking like a child. When they play DnD they act like this too, everyone has to have a fucking stupid pet. At least a wizard familiar doesn't take up space on the board 90 percent of the time.

>>86114978
I remember seeing this book at the library like ten years ago and I could tell it was trying way too hard to be cool. Then I opened to a random page and the saw the word fuck and said to myself, yep, it's trying to be super edgy gritty shitting brown water like Game of Thrones.
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>>86115231
Can you do anything other than spout an entirely subjective opinion in pathetic babyspeak? The only one here engaging in "Basedspeak" is yourself and the made up scenarios in your head.

>At least a Wizard familiar doesn't take up space on the board 90 percent of the time
Anon, Rangers and Druids companions are limited to literally medium size, so they take up as much space as you'd expect.

Grow up you fucking child, you need to be 18 to browse 4chan.
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>>86114683
Change commanding the beast to a bonus action.
Make you able to tame any beast that has cr equal to half the ranger's hit die
allow the ranger to mentally dominate beasts that don't belong to him via a will save, dc being 10+wis+prof
rules for breeding animals that make normies uncomfortable
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Just make it so that you basically have 2 characters.
Both are individually much weaker than a character of any other class, but you get 2, and can have twice as many actions.
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Allow your beastmaster to use actions for petting and cuddling their beast in order to transfer hp and temporarily boost combat stats. Outside of combat you gain a mobile scout and hunter that may detect dangers that you otherwise couldnt notice
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>>86115279
The taming would need some limitations otherwise it's too nuts. Even limiting the beast to a single attack or attacking in place of the ranger some have incredibly strong features.
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>>86115231
Do you have autism by chance? Just by chance?
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>>86115333
aberrations are right out.
non magical beasts can be cr 1/2 of ranger level, magical beasts can be cr 1/4 or ranger level.
no intelligent beasts, those you need to actually make bargains and deals with like you do with followers and henchmen
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>>86114683
Why would I want to fix the class that women play?
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>>86115255
>Grow up you fucking child
Bro you're so mature working as an Amazon delivery driver to raise your wife's son. Shut the fuck up. I have a job and I'm at work right now, that's all you need to know.

Also in Pathfinder they can be large or huge. That's part of the problem. And no I'm not engaging in söyspeak except as a way to imitate and mock the actual söys, who watch Rooster teeth podcasts and Critical Roll, and half to make up "cutesy" words for everything, like doggo or doge. Like that old cringe video of Riley and Ani the two autistic girls going to buy foam. Imagine that in a 2 to 3 years DnD campaign. You wouldn't know, because your longest campaign lasted 2 weeks, but it's fucking annoying. Pet classes add nothing to the game. I've seen ONE character where it was done well. I'd say that makes up for all the other times, but there's no reason to think that when those other characters might as well have not existed.

Pet classes are literally "I'm too good to play just one character so I'm gonna play two." It is striaght up narcissistic behavior. Not to mention roasties always love playing them because muh animals and they never bother to learn how their fucking class features work. Then get upset when their animal companion charges into battle alone and gets oneshotted by a minotaur because they forgot that this isn't the fucking Lion King

>>86115389
No. And you said "by chance" twice so I think you're the autistic since you seem to love pointlessly repeating yourself.
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>>86114683
Fucking delete it. I don't want to deal with a fragile pet familiar who's purpose is for combat that the ranger expects to be their companion for the whole game. I understand the appeal but damn near every newbie picks beastmaster, and because 5e is ass I'm expected to homebrew just to make it work perfectly.
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>>86114933
We have a problematic player that will pet/npc collect in every single fucking game he touches whilst never actually being a good steward. He fucks up everyone's fun and makes the stupidest decisions that damn not only his precious entourage but the entire campaign. Every time. He can't be kicked because he's a pathetic loser that has been ostracized from every community he's been a part of expect ours. I hate this mother lover so damn much. The pets and npcs are the only ones forced to tolerate his ass, so he clings to them pathetically.

But pet classes are ultimately fine in the right hands. It's just all too often the worst possible ones reach for them, ad nauseum.
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>>86114683
Just play a drake warden from fizzbans and re-flavor the drake as somthing else. Now you can fly on a lightning spewing griffon pet, or ride a large elemental wolf and everything works out better than beastmaster did.

Wanna fix Hunter too while you're at it? let them change their special attacks every morning like spells. Represent them preparing for their quarry for the day.
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>>86115607
I hate the idea its just a drake spirit you summon and not an actual, physical animal.
But honestly it is the best 'pet' class we have so far.
I mean honestly how fucking hard would it have been to just allow a beast to grow stronger as you leveled. Or you could tame stronger things.
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>>86114933
Fuck pets and their snowflake owners. Thank god classes exist where you can kill pets and earn gold for it.
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>>86114851
>>86114930
based local hivemind enthusiast.
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I'd turn the pet into a full character, maybe allow archetypes beyond fighting pet and basically turn the parties strength from n playercharacters to n+1. It's easier to adjust encounters for another full character than it is for having one mediocre garbage character. Since the pet would have very limited roleplaying potential, it would barely be noticable by the rest of the party.
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>>86115674
they fucked the pig hard on rangers in base 5e. I love Horizon walker, swarm master, gloom stalker, monster hunter, but fuck me if they diddnt just go "well, im out of ideas" when they were trying to make the base ranger for 5e. I mean, other classes got pets that felt alot better (such as, i dunno, bonus action to command not a full fucking action?!). In the unearth arcana there is the titanic pet druid coming and it looks a hell of a lot better than base beastmaster did.

They tried to fix it with tasha's "earth/air/water spirit" animals, but they super sucked. The drake warden i have played and had a blast. Finally got to be a Lance Wielding dude riding a lightning spitting griffon and if you take the mounted combat feat it makes your pet much much more survivable.

I want to play one again with a sonic owlbear i can "raise from a cub" since it goes small, med, large as you level (not one of the "base elemental options" but any DM worth their salt can make just a dmg type shift work fine), i just wont let it fly and just give it a climb speed as a compromise.
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>>86115183
Crawford has a baffling ability to seemingly miss the point of all sorts of things: as soon as he became the go to guy for rules interpretations after Mearles was forced out, he immediately started reading the rules as a weird pseudo-keyworded system when that's simply not how it was originally designed. We have him to thank for not being able to shield bash and then attack and See Invisibility not actually negating Invisibility fully.
Frankly, I'm partially convinced he's still sore about everyone rejecting his "perfect" game of 4e, and so is intentionally using his position as the remaining speaker for D&D as a whole to paint 5e in the worst light he can in the hopes of tricking enough people to believe 4e was good, because it's better than 5e, that he can just make 4e 2 next edition.
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>>86115577
He sounds like a huge faggot. I cannot believe how many DnD players are insufferable autists yet so many fags on here are thirsty for a game. I'm on the verge of quitting RPGs entirely.

>>86115710
>thank god classes exist where you can kill pets and earn XP for it.
What class is that? ATF agent?
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>>86115948
If you hate faggots so much, why are you still on /tg/?
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>>86115607
>re-flavor
Get the fuck out of RPGs. I'm sick and tired of this "DUUDE YOU CAN USE AN ELECTRIC GUITAR AS A GREATAXE IT JUST REFLAVOR IT BRO." No. Kill yourself cunt. The game represents real world items and events and actions with rules. You cannot just "reflavor" something and expect people to consider your game legitimate. "Wahh but I can do whatever I want." Okay then stop advertising your game as DnD. Because it isn't. When I show up to a campaign and your warlock has a .45 he uses as his "reflavored" eldritch blast, I should be able to sue you for fucking fraud. I should be able to take you to small claims court for the gas I used up driving to your game. Go fuck yourself. No you can't just reflavor everything you don't like. Things are represented by rules for a reason. Your dumbass lolzrandumb idea doesn't work in the field and "refluffing" isnt a valid excuse. You're not playing DnD anymore so don't even pretend. Advertise your game as childish powerwank. Not a tabletop RPG.
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>>86114683
Eliminate it. There isn't a good way to do a summoner/mook commander class in d&d.
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>>86116097
trying a bit too hard pumpkin. come off this strong and it undermines everything you're trying to get a reaction for. If someone were going to believe you are serious, they'd also have to accept you would be the worst person at any table and are either allergic to fun, don't have any friends, or a full tilt screeching autist with 0 creativity. Trolling needs to be tiny bit more subtle, but unfortunately for you the subtle parts of you dripped down the back of your mothers leg.
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>>86114933
>>86115231
>>86115559
>>86116097
Based and angerpilled.
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>>86116209
Nice reddit insults. And not wanting to accept lulzrandumb bullshit doesn't mean you don't have creativity. It just means you have standards. I know your 3rd grade teacher told you you were really creative but you're actually not, you're just a spaz.
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>>86114683
Make the pet's health scale with the rangers hit die, add in pet maneuvers, maybe snatch pet archetypes from pathfinder.
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>>86114683
idk, animal companions in pf2e work pretty well, just copy that probably
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>>86116097
>You cannot just "reflavor" something and expect people to consider your game legitimate
Imagine being a retard that doesn't know the history of TTRPGs, how many creatures in old school have a stat line to the extent of 'As BEAR but add X' or 'This sword is an X magic sword but with additional property Y"? It's a fair amount.
Even the earliest books were telling people to just reflavor stuff and tweak one or two things to make something new.
If you need a whole new statblock for the bee-bear fey guardian and can't just say 'It's a bear plus X and Y' you're the retard that causes game bloat.
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>>86117037
That's homebrew and it's fine to have a generic bird stat block but when you ask "hey can my dire wolf animal companion be reflavored as a really angry pitbull? Lololol" then you just sound like a full on fucking retard.
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>>86114683
Steal Fey Beast Tamer trom previous edition.
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>>86114851
Your idea reminds me of this.
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>>86115915
If they go back to 4e-style for 6e then DnD is unironically finished. 5e is the final acceptable edition of DnD.
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>>86119877
5e is far from an acceptable edition of D&D, though I generally agree that if Wizards trend back to 4e we're probably going to see it sputter and die.
Which, as far as I'm concerned, is nothing but a good thing.
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>>86116097
>your warlock has a .45 he uses as his "reflavored" eldritch blast,
Is this a common thing?
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>>86120359
No but equally cringy things do. Even just players trying to reflavor their swords to some dumbass anime sword is enough to condemn the entire concept.

If the weapon doesn't exist, homebrew it, but if it does, use that and don't try to get a fucking mechanical advantage by "refluffing" another weapon so you can power game.
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>>86115279
>>86116940
These two. Better HP and bonus actions for commands. It will have the reverse effect of making them too strong at low levels but it fixes the squishy pet problem and gives the animal utility. It's not balanced to the action economy as intended.
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>>86115710
Based dog-slaughterer.
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>>86114933
How did you manage to survive druids in 3.5 if few pets piss you off that bad? Every druid ever in my games blew their loads on summon nature's ally more often than for actually prepped spells. One fucker even made it a gimmick, a lizardman druid summoning only lizards of different varieties.
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>>86115915
>to paint 5e in the worst light he can in the hopes of tricking enough people to believe 4e was good
It takes zero effort to do this
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>>86114933
I mean... >>86115010 this really. Having ONE pet, that is "active" I guess at any one time is the only way not to fuck up action economy and the Beast ramp is asymmetrical enough that it's almost always going to be suboptimal which is why Druids that can summon a beast and also turn INTO a beast and double team is a nice mechanic.

I guess you found make the Ranger beast master more about utility by costing him his actions to command a pet but having numerous pets hanging around with him that he can have act as-appropriate. Elephant can't go in the dungeon, Sorry.
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>>86114683
Step 1: stop playing ranger.
Step 2: start playing druid.
Step 3: take a few levels in conjuration wizard.
Step 4: summon the animals you were wanting to have be around you.
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>>86114978
On a scale of 1-10, how much would you recommend this book, because it looks sick.
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>>86114683
I'd fix rogue and monk and maybe a half a dozen other subclasses before I looked at beastmaster
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>>86114683
I wouldn't. Anyone who chooses to play 5e deserves to experience all the worst parts of the system.
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>>86114933
I play a wizard with a familiar, a horse, and a pet bird.
I explain everything they do half of my roleplay actions and investigating are done through my pets.
The other party member is a ranger with an animal companion and does the same
The dm who loves animals has a great time with it.
Every session is about a quarter talking about what the animals are doing.
Sucks to be you bro.
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>>86114933
demonically based
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>>86115915
I wonder if Crawford is the reason 5e is so dogshit when the playtest was actually pretty decent.
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>>86114683
bonus action to command.
eliminate cr requirement. if you find a new beast and want to befriend it? roll that shot out.
let it work with monsters instead of just beasts.
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>>86114683
>how would you fix [class] in D&D 5e?
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>>86126461
>Every session is about a quarter talking about what the animals are doing.
>Sucks to be you bro.
I'd say no it doesn't, because I'm not in your game spending half the time talking about faggy animals like it's a fucking critical roll episode.
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>>86128823
Not that I'm about to defend Smegmachump, but what should we call it?
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>>86119877
5e is just 4e-lite. Literally everything people hated in 4e is in 5e, just sugar coated in such a way that it doesn't seem too "video gamey" even though they're the exact same mechanics.
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>>86114683
What is that Joseph’s technicolor dream coat critter on the bottom left
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>>86114933
New copypasta?
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>>86114683
I hate to advocate for stripping content but it’s not made well, and it isn’t likely to get fixed. Pets/familiars/any kind of micro are great for flavor but tend to bog down actual play.

Should a character have an animal/pet/mount/whatever? Yeah, fine. Reflavor it as a stat stick and treat it as equipment. If it would be climactic for the character to break their sword against the monster, maybe fluff it as their fancy animal gets “broken” instead.

Unironically, and you’re gonna hate this, when an animal needs to die for narrative reasons, rationalize it in the same way as hedwig taking a curse meant for one of the heroes in Harry Potter.
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>>86128838
It does suck to be you if animals stop you from being able to enjoy things.
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Refluff the druids wildshape as the guy hiding behind a rock and shouting orders at a thing he stored in a pokeball
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>>86114683
You fix them by not treating companions as class features. Companions such as hirelings, squires, animal companions, mounts and familiars work best as simplified characters under the players' control that you can design and balance encounters around.

A lot of the problem pet classes have is that they try to balance controlling 2 characters by making each of them fractionally as powerful as a single character.
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>>86130697
He doesn't want to understand that it's an actual thing and fucking it up damages the game.
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>>86114933
>tfw I played two entire sessions as my own pet snake once
Get absolutely fucked, I hope this makes you angrier
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>>86114933
>I'm sick of everyone having 5 pets then complaining the dungeon rooms aren't large enough for their Huge sized animal companions
Ooh sorry champ, you went a little too hard and outted yourself as a nogaems there, use a little more tact and less strawman in your next shitpost
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>>86114851
Yooooooooo fpbp
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>>86134334
This.
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>>86115577
Find another player.
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>>86114683
No way to fix it as a player, but as a DM, making a beastmaster character with a proper companion is a lot easier.
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>>86115957
Found the dog fucker.
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>>86135845
The difference in those games is that each demon can be as viable/useful/powerful (if not more so) than the main character
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>>86137477
And the way that is done is by making each demon/persona a full party member. Even as early as the NES games the Protag and the demons were a full characters.

A well done "pet class" would be design and function like a 4e leader with an additional sidekick character. The DM would then design and balance encounters based on the number of PCs and the number of sidekicks.
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>>86114683
Let the player control the animal as a second character, making breaking action economy the ranger's defining power.
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>>86135933
how many days did it take you to come up with that comeback?
Also answer the question, manfucker.
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>>86114683
Beast's HP and stats scale better and it's a bonus action to command.
5e has several other pet archetypes that came after and do the job better, just steal from one of them.
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>>86114683
Is there something wrong with it?
>laughs in goblin riding a giant bat firing his longbow at max range
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>>86114683
Already fixed. Same with most of the martial classes. Oh also it's all integrated into 5Etools (still the best TTRPG site to date, blowing every other system's joke of sites or tools out of the water).

https://www.gmbinder.com/share/-M7iu19Af89SH2G_5RGa
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>>86118423
>They have no followers and may not become barons or build castles or other strongholds
*WHEEEZE*
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>>86120359
..Well, mine uses a .36 caliber six shooter, but he's playing a 1980's Neo Noir Detective.
Like if Magnum PI was investigating the disappearance of a kid and uncovered a cult who subsequently sacrificed him to his soon to be patron and then somehow he washed up in Barovia.
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>>86114933
How do you feel about a necromancer and his horde of skellies?



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