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How do mermaids smelt metal for metal items without fire? Don't say underwater vents; they'd get burned while doing blacksmithing stuff.
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>>86098380
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>>86098394
>>86098380
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>>86098380
Hydrothermal vents
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>>86098380
You mean underwater? It kind of overlaps with tasting in.
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>>86098380
underwater vents
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>>86098404
>>86098380
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Underwater vents that power forges inside fantasy air bubbles

Or they just steal everything from the people they drown
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>>86098380
Metallic coral. Lego'd together and fastened with fish slime. Tempered over thermal vents
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Mermaid Thread?
Mermaid Thread!

Post your mermaid folders!
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>>86098380
They don't. They use bone, stone, or found metal like the Inuit.
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>>86098380
>Don't say underwater vents; they'd get burned while doing blacksmithing stuff.
Anon, there are snails that have adapted to live next to underwater vents. Life grows to adapt.

Aside from that, they presumably use items that fall off of/from sunken boats.
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>>86098380
Don't they use coral weapons?
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>>86098464
We're not talking about snails, we're talking about mermaids/merpeople/merfolk. Unless they're impervious to the heat they're not getting near that vent.
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>>86098380
How do humans smelt metal for metal items without underwater vents? Don't say fire; they'd get burned while doing blacksmithing stuff.
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>>86098454
>found metal
Elaborate, please
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>>86098454
found metal
This. Mermaids sink ships for loot; They "find" their metal weapons amongst the wreckage of military vessels.
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>>86098497
Just have them wear protective gear retard
If that's too implausible for you, just have them use magic/psychic powers.
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>>86098380
you realize cold iron smithing is a thing do you?
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>>86098499
Air doesn't boil all around a furnace like water does around a vent.
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Long pair of tongs or they've trained the vent snails
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>>86098380
Coral and piracy
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>>86098528
It's not boiling but it's being heated to levels that burn. There's a reason humans don't typically get close to fire and wear a bunch of protective gear when they do. When have you seen a modern metal worker not wearing serious some form of protective clothing, and why do you think it's implausible for civilized fish people to develop similar methods?
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>>86098509
two tailed mermaids > one tailed mermaids
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You don't just need to get metal hot, it has to be worked. Blacksmiths pull the metal out of the furnace and start beating the shit out of it on an anvil, working the metal to the desired shape. The moment a hot chunk of metal is removed from a vent it is quenched in the cooler water and can't be worked in any way. You'd just melt the ore into a blob only for it to be pulled out and solidified into a blob.
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>>86098573
nah, pressure
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>>86098562
>When have you seen a modern metal worker not wearing serious some form of protective clothing
Plenty of footage from China on Liveleak, apparently.
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>>86098445
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>>86098380
Trade with humans, and don't pretend you don't know what merfolk's primary export would be.
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>>86098380
Magic is the only realistic answer. There's no reasonable way of making or maintaining metal tools underwater.
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>>86098625
...pearls?
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>>86098573
Why not work it in a heated area?
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>>86098643
If you're working in water heated enough to allow metal to be worked you're boiling too.
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Advantages of cold working over hot working:
>No heating required
>Better surface finish
>Superior dimensional control
>Better reproducibility and interchangeability
>Directional properties can be imparted into the metal
>Contamination problems are minimized
>Fairies eternally btfo'd
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>>86098513
It comes from space
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>>86098668
Maybe these mermaids are built to deal with the heat
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>>86098595
Anon...
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>>86098570
Based
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>>86098380
A. They don't smelt metals. They collect native metals and hammer/grind them into desired shapes.
B. They mine flammable ice (methane hydrate) from the ocean floor and use it for fuel.
C. They construct sealed domes underwater, remove the water with pumps, and make those into furnaces.
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>>86098680
Is such a thing possible with the tech commonly associated with fantasy settings? Medieval or Early Renaissance tech?
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>>86098668
So just wear protective gear or work it remotely.
I feel as if you're making a mountain out of a mole hill here. Instead of viewing a problem as a wall you must defend, view it as a fortress you have to crack.
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OP is a smithlet
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>>86098689
Then we're just fundamentally talking about something other than a "conventional" mermaid. Mermaids living in/around vents does sound like a refreshing take on them, frankly.
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>>86098729
depends on the metal
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>>86098513
because you really seem to need the help, having failed kindergarten and all.

Definition of found
past tense and past participle of find
Definition if find
: to come upon often accidentally : encounter
: to come upon by searching or effort

Definition of metal
: any of various opaque, fusible, ductile, and typically lustrous substances that are good conductors of electricity and heat, form cations by loss of electrons, and yield basic oxides and hydroxides especially
: one that is a chemical element as distinguished from an alloy

though in this context it would pertain to already worked metal found in shipwrecks, or on the ocean floor having fallen overboard. could also be the thieves' usage of found and/or liberated.
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>>86098780
Could be cyborg mermaids. Anybody here read the Rifters trilogy, by Peter Watts?
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>>86098380
Electric eel arc furnace of course
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How about some kind of alchemical concoction that works like thermite? A compound that can burn intensely underwater? Definitely need eye protection, but may be a way to get that metal hot enough.
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>>86098380
Underwater vents
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>>86098838
Lenny is cute.
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Pic related just spits out the swords if you feed it with the iron. How it does that is unknown.
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>>86098497
Make protective gear out of the shells of things that can. Done.
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>>86098570
For me, it's mermaids with legs.
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>>86098380
The same way everyone else does, duh.
It's not like they don't have lungs.
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>>86098997
For me it's melusines.
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>>86098997
Wait, those aren't mermaids. Ah, fuck it. You get the idea.
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>>86098380
how do surface humans smelt metal for metal items without underwater vents? don't say fire, they'd get burned while doing blacksmithing stuff
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>>86099051
This has already been posted. Still based though.
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Why has nobody mentioned trade so far?
Pretty sure dwarves for example would be interested in some rare underwater ore/crystals.
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>>86099136
That would work too. Haven't looked at bog standard D&D for over a decade but presumably there's something like mage hand that would work as well.
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>>86098380
They use fire. Mermaids are amphibious. They can do the same blacksmithing as anyone else does, they will just build their forges near the shore.
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>>86098380
They trade with the crab men for metal goods.
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>>86099204
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>>86099204
Not the snail people?
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>>86098639
Yeah, pearl necklaces
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>>86098380
>mermaids
>metallurgy
Um black people never invented metalworking
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>>86098838
Oh shit, I've been hunting for those books again for literal years, I'd just forgotten the series name and author's name but I could clearly remember the events in them.
Overwhelmingly bleak outlook on the future but I guess it's fitting, the ocean is a harsh and brutal environment compared to 80% of land and anything with humanlike intelligence that's adapted to live in that environment would probably behave pretty "uncivilized" compared to any surface culture.
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>>86099917
I really want to run/play a game based on Rifters I think I statted a Traveller career based on it, but I can't find the document now.
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>grow a metal-hyperaccumulating species of sea plant
>extract the metals by using specially bred sea creatures that develop hardened deposits over time by eating the plants
>extract hardened deposits after death and slowly grind them down using something like a waterwheel powering a mill
>take the particles and use specially trained electric eels to electro plate conventional materials, making fragile weapons or coating materials that might otherwise decay in an extremely thin, protective layer of gold
OR
>harvest scales from dire scaly-foot gastropods
>attach to bone or driftwood clubs to form metal macahuitls
>attach to woven kelp or hide backing to form scale mail
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>storm giants cold forge their stuff for them in exchange for trade goods
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>nacre (mother of pearl) is bulletproof and can be produced layer-by-layer using a mixture of spider silk proteins and chitosan, commonly found in shrimp shells while exposed to an electric current
>extract chitosan from shrimp shells
>trade for spider silk from land dwellers and treat with alchemy (or make up a sea spider)
>expose the combined materials in a mold to electric eel shocks repeatedly to cause the reaction to occur, forming durable items
>not a metal, but could fulfill some similar roles
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>>86099455

Fuck off back to /pol/, child.
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>>86098380
They suck human dick for metals like gold that are rust resistant. Optionally they just sink ships and take whatever's is on it.
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>>86098380
In my setting anyway they use modified coral shaped by magic. For actual metal they just go to the surface and make furnaces on the shore
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>>86099298
They were found guilty of committing genocide against the starfish people 30 years ago and refuse to acknowledge it. As such they can’t trade with them legally without violating the subaqueous alliance
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>>86099010
This. They just build forges on the beach, fueled with driftwood.
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honestly y'all need to read this series, it handles this issue in a really interesting way about halfway through. Fun story aside if you can get your brain to remember that most of the characters involved are actually humanoid despite the author continually referring to them as the tribe the character is from.

For those that don't want to bother, the undersea civilizations have the ability to filter minerals from the water directly into shapes they want to make, which is only really limited by their imagination and creativity and focus. They use designs to keep the same shape in mind and molds for mass production without a great deal of focus, but it's noted to take significantly more time than forging.

What's REALLY interesting, in setting, is that while it's terrible for mass production of weapons, it's just right for making bespoke, say, engine parts like springs, teeny tiny gears, and precision instruments made from specific metals.
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>>86098380
depends on the mermaids
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>>86099410
And this is what she had to say
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>>86099010
I hate this meme of drawing their tails like bags over human legs. That's NOT how spines bend. Fucking lazy artists.
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It's called trade.
1 kingdom by the sea. One kingdom alone.
Metals pour in to the cities where the finest craftsmen hammer out weapons and precious metal artwork.
But they say... Only some of it ever leaves the city.
The waters around the kingdom they say pull riches from the sea. Fish and seaweeds used in potions. Coral. Pearls.
They guard their waters with warships and fight invaders fiercely although they do not seek conquest.
It's said that there are vast caverns under the kingdoms capital - and they lead to the sea.
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>>86098380
They don't.
They trade for metal items in exchange for deep sea artifacts and safe passage across the ocean.
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>>86102330
Well, how else are they going to emphasize the ass the mermaid technically doesn't have from the hips that, by all means, are mostly useless?
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New to this board, where can find interesting mermaid artwork? Something that evokes a feeling of fear and lust inside you.
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>>86102894
They shouldn't in the first place. What's the point of having other species if they're just human girls in cosplay?
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>>86102960
This guy on deviantart, Karbo, draws some mermaids like that.
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>>86102960
A good place to look is >>86098380
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>>86098604
You fool, she told you not to look! You've just doomed the entire kingdom!
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>EIGHT LEGS
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>>86098838
I didn't like the last book
The whole twist at the end with new disease coming from some biotech nerd to upgrade humanity, was kinda outta left field, and I don't feel it really tread any new ground from the last two books. I also like it when the original disease was some kind of primordial monstrosity, making it corpo meddling really lowers the stakes. Instead of humanity being blindsided by a new type of life, it's just another corporate fuckup.
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>>86100626
But he brings up a good point. You don't need metalworking or even the wheel to have a civilization, see Africa or the Americas
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They trade with the future sea vampires
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underwater civilizations wouldn't use corrodable metals like iron or bronze, and would have no incentive to try to make them corrosion-resistant
they'd just wait for a whale to die and carve stuff out of their bones, or wait for a giant clam to die and carve stuff out of its shell
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>>86098380
Underwater vents, obviously
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>>86104314
bronze melts at 913 C and water has 20 times the thermal conductivity and 1000 times the density of air. Rigging this up would be very difficult if you don't already have lots of metal.
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>>86103688
I get the first part but why wouln't they use non-corrodable ones? Stainless steel is much more efficient than bone.
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>>86102998
Can someone explain this reference to me?
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>>86102330
I really hope this is bait.
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>>86098380
You don't need metal in the abyssopelagic dephts. Neither do you need hands.
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>>86098380
They don't. The Little Mermaid animation has it correct-- all of their metalwork comes from human and shipwrecks.
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>>86099024
MeluSWINES more like, HA.
Never seen them with legs before.
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>>86098380
They don't. Mermaids have to trade for metals.
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>>86103512
Actually, Africa did have ironworking.
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>>86098380
since they have human upper halves and arms and limbs couldn't they just have a forge either on the shoreline or inside an underwater cave with an air pocket? it's not like mermaids are traditionally depicted as living on the sea floor, they come into regular contact with the surface and sailors.

alternatively they just use magic who cares
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>>86102330
>meme
anon that's a 121 year old painting by John William Waterhouse, it's not a "meme" or "fad" to have attractive mermaids lmao. Here's a siren with webbed feet.
despite the lies you've been told "modern" beauty standards are anything but which is why that painting has timeless beauty
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>>86102973
It's always about the porn, that's all mythology is.
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>>86098380
Not only they would be literally cooked going near vents, the vents would be useless. Smelting and smithing require that you control the temperature, at the very least keep it stable. Vents aren't like that. Vents also aren't hotter than 500° Celsius, and bronze needs 913°, while iron needs 1538°.

That's why you either breed your weapons and equipment out of animals like scaly foots, seashells and any other creature with hard parts that can be domesticated into armor and piercing weapons. So your speartip is going to be a very pointy seashell, perhaps with the molusc still inside. This just requires the same process that turned a near useless grass into corn.

Or you use electricity. Electrometallurgy is what allowed us to make aluminum be so cheap and abundant as it is. You domesticate eels, and use them, either alive or dead, to separate water in oxygen and hydrogen, and then making 2800 °C oxyhydrogen blowtorches. You don't even need the eels. Seawater, an electrolyte and a few other components can become primitive batteries.

Btw, you might want the nodules in the ocean floor, but instead of mining iron, lead and other metals, just breed sponges, or maybe fishes, that filter it from seawater. For example, a kilogram of iron can be harvested by filtering 50,000 m3 of ordinary seawater. The liquid volume involved is only about as much as a single shark breathes in a month. Or use some magnetic lodestones.
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>>86098528
Anon, above certain pressure (about 220 MPa or 218 atmospheres) water, regardless of temperature, won't boil.
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>>86106581
Not him, but even so, water is twenty times more conductive to heat than air. If the mermaid go near, we have cooked fish. Which is a bad way to make fish. At least spread some sauce around the vent before sending the mermaid.
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>>86106525
>Btw, you might want the nodules in the ocean floor, but instead of mining iron, lead and other metals, just breed sponges, or maybe fishes, that filter it from seawater. For example, a kilogram of iron can be harvested by filtering 50,000 m3 of ordinary seawater. The liquid volume involved is only about as much as a single shark breathes in a month. Or use some magnetic lodestones.


Wait, so you're saying that the methods discussed in Empire of Black And Gold have *actual scientific merit* outside of the magical method? Just pulling metal right out of the fucking water?
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>>86106663
I don't know, I have never heard of it, much less read. But there is a lot of metal particles in seawater. Even gold, although it is much more rare.

There was even a Arthur Clarke story about a damaged alien probe underwater contacting a few people to get gold for it, because, while it could filter most raw materials from the ocean itself, gold was troublesome. Don't remember why. He basically did a mix of sci-fi with adventure/treasure-hunting.
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>>86098380
Underwater vents with very long tongs.
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>>86098380
Trade with surface dwellers?
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>>86098380
They build rafts, obviously.
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>>86106062
>121 years is ancient
Ah, and American teenager, how sweet.
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>>86107263
*an
Fecking autocorrect.
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>>86098380

>magic
>trade with surface-dwellers in exchange for companionship, good weather, magic, riches of the sea, food, guidance
>psionics
>go above ground for forging
>do not use metals, instead use stuff like corals and obsidian
>iron-collecting bacteria/snails

Fuck off.
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>>86106620
Umm, sweatie, all mermaids are fire-resistant.
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>>86105545
To get to stainless steel you first need to have ordinary carbon steel. The only other way is to start with a noncorroding metal and then developing a "strong" alloy of it with the introduction of other metals.

>>86106581
Boiling is more often used as short hand for a water that is at 100C (212F) or more.
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>come to tell thread about giant electric eels and rubberized shells to shock metal into existence
>someone is already on it
>>86106525
good work, I guess.
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>>86106062
well the fact that it survived and is posted on the internet many years later actually does make it a meme
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Don't mind me sharing some mermaids
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>>86098573
If the argument is that underwater vents are too hot for use as forges then surely enough of that heat is going to leak out into the water around around it that it won't be a issue. If anything they'd have the opposite problem, how do you quench the metal after you've forged it if all the water around you is already hot?
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>>86098380
>How do mermaids smelt metal for metal items without fire?

They don't. Mermaids, and other similar Aquatic Peoples, have to trade for metal products from other species. It's impossible to make metal tools underwater in normal conditions.
I answered this question in my setting through two methods:
-Cyclopes like living on reclusive islands, atolls, habitable reefs, and isolated beaches. Mermaids will dredge up stones and rocks that contain useful ores, and Cyclopes are typically more than happy to smelt them down and work them into metal tools and weapons. Often in exchange for fish or whale meat, but sometimes just pro bono since Cyclopes are bored and autistic.
-The second source of underwater metal is Dragons. Specifically Oriental/Long-type Dragons. A Mermaid who can secure a job within the court of a Dragon will quickly themselves lavished and paid handsomely with fine golden jewelry, accessories, and perhaps even a few articles made out of Dragon scale or teeth. Dragons can make such things underwater through either a combination of magic or their own natural fantastical abilities. Dragons can create air pocket bubbles, they can dig underground tunnels, but regardless for them to work with metal is as easy as blowing on the ore and shaping it with their claws like clay.
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>>86110746
I like that picture alot
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>>86098380
They don't use metal, they use coral, which they get by destroying the natural coral reefs that serve as beautiful and complex ecosystems.
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>>86098380
They go on land and do it there
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>>86098380
>Don't say underwater vents; they'd get burned while doing blacksmithing stuff.
My mermaids are fire resistant.
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are people just fundamentally averse to reading the thread? I see the same replies over and over. Is ~150 posts really too much for you guys?
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>>86111138
so what's your answer to op's question?
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>>86106804
>Arthur Clarke story about a damaged alien probe
Cradle
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>>86110427
It's the opposite, underwater vents are too cold to anneal bronze (which hardens when you work it) or forge iron. The hottest vents are about 350c, while bronze anneals at a little over 900c, while forging temperature for iron and steel are over 1000c. And the water temperature around vents would cook anything but the Extremophiles that already live there.
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>>86105854
Well, it's iron anyway. Not so sure if "work" really comes into it before or after the creation of... those items.
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>>86111138
It's a bad faith thread. There's some cute mermaids though, so that's okay.
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It just isn't a proper mermaid story unless somebody ends up dead.
Of course, sometimes it's you, sometimes it's the mermaid.
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>>86098380
Mermaids are amphibious. They keep their forges in secluded rocky grottoes.
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>>86099282
I'll elaborate. Although commerce with the surface is usually conducted with pearls or rum as the main goods and domestic trade is done in imperial mer-marks, the crab men have no interest in these. Instead they barter their metal for exotic surface fruits and vegetables.
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What do you guys think of flying, desert-dwelling mermaids? Should they still be called mermaids or something else?
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>>86112093
The “mer” in mermaid means sea, Old English “mere”. Unless the desert used to be an ocean or sea, it doesn’t make much sense. “Westen” is an Old English word for desert or wastes, so “Wesmaid” or “Wesfolk” might work.
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>>86098380
What must be produced from metal, they use alchemical methods to create, instead of heat.
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>>86112263
Wesmaid feels a bit too close to Westmaid I feel.
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I liked Goblinpunch's take on this, which was they build coastal cities and do the work abovewater

> Contrary to popular belief, most merfolk cities are along the coastline. (Real world fun fact: coral reefs are just as productive as rainforests, but the open ocean is about as productive as an arctic tundra.) Some of the most productive pieces of coastline are where rivers empty into the ocean.

> This means that humans and merfolk are in direct competition for the same pieces of prime real estate. They both desire coastal cities.

> And just as human coastal cities extend a short distance into the sea (in the form of docks, harbors, and shipyards), so do merfolk cities extend a short distance into the land.

> Merfolk do this because there are certain things you can't do underwater. Metalworking, for example. Valdina, the largest merfolk city on the continent of Centerra, is often shaded by plumes of smoke from its smelters.
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>>86112737

(taken from https://goblinpunch.blogspot.com/2015/10/merfolk-and-false-shipwrecks.html )
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>>86111868
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>>86112897
You dont tend to see many fish in a desert is me point.
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>>86116266
There's actually a good number of desert fish. Not as common as fish in the sea, but there are rivers and oasis in deserts, and generally any where there is water you're going to find fish.

Also, let's not forget the sand fish.
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>>86098838
I just finished reading his other series, echopraxia. If it's got mermaids, Rifter's seems cool enough to try.
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>>86112093
>>86116339
I'll call them sandmaids
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>>86098380
They enchant stuff so it's just as good
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>>86098380
This is a big issue with a spore-like open source freeware game that’s been in development for god knows how long.
They’re aiming for scientific realism, so they’ve pretty much ruled out underwater civilisations (past the creature stage) because it is next to impossible
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>>86098380
Wouldn't they be limited to non corrosive metals that kind of suck compared to steel anyway? Like half of their tools would be brass or aluminum.
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>>86118036
>aluminum
Anon, salt water fucks with aluminium. Sideways.
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>>86117762
If they can fly you might as well bite the bullet and just call them sand witches.
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>>86098380

Mermaids are not 100% of the time, you know. They just do it on rocks or on the shore, easy. They were taught how to make metal tools from shipwrecked seafarers who told them the craft in exchange for not getting dragged to the depths.
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>86098380

Mermaids are not underwater 100% of the time, you know. They just do it on rocks or on the shore, easy. They were taught how to make metal tools from shipwrecked seafarers who told them the craft in exchange for not getting dragged to the depths.
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Why would merfolk need metal anyway?

Or put it another way, what forces merfolk civilisation (or any civilisation) to follow the exact same steps as we did on Earth?
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>>86111469
I think I like this artist. Just have a good vibe from these pics.
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>>86098380

Metal treasures are considered a sign of high station under the sea. It shows that one either has consorts upon land where such things are common, that one is a canny and able treasure hunter, or most importantly that one has curried the favor of one of the sea gods.

There are many gods beneath the waves. It is a favorite place to seal powerful beings. The reasons should be obvious. An ancient evil sealed under the equivalent of a massive granite bathtub plug may despoil the sea floor for miles around, but nobody except a fish(man) will notice that. Likewise an ancient titan chained and perpetually drowning at the bottom of a trench is far less likely to be liberated by nosey adventurers than one chained up on a mountain or desolate crag.

So when a mermaid manages to convince one of these primordial forces to craft a bit of metal from nothing, the implication is clear. This is a powerful and influential denizen of the sea who is not - as they say - to be fucked with.
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>>86098380
lazer eyes
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>>86098380
Mermaids have white hot fiery heat-resistant pussies so they simply smelt metal using them. This also makes them totally unfuckable.
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>>86119410
>totally unfuckable
Not with that attitude.
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>>86098380
How do humans smelt metal for metal items without underwater vents? Don't say fire; they'd get burned while doing blacksmithing stuff.
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>>86118036
Bronze and brass is perfectly good to make a sorta medieval/fantasy civilization. Certain bronze alloys surpass mild steel. Plus, if it isn't real life, you can have tin and copper sources very near each other, instead of relying on trade routes to acquire one of them far away.

>>86118465
Judging by real life, they would develop solutions that we might never come up with. Inca knew how to make bronze, but they mostly didn't. Their knowledge of agriculture experimentation, dry-freezing and rock cleaving was much more important, allowing them to build on top of arid mountains prone to earthquakes, plus become the first civilization that might eliminated hunger among its subjects.
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>>86098380
Sky metal. Meteorites that crash in to the ocean containing metals. No need for smelting.
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>>86098380
Forges built along the coast, poking just out of the water. Possibly operated by slaves.
…basically, go steal ideas from Goblin Punch, his merfolk rock.
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>>86103574
Man if water spirits aren't even gonna put in the effort to look fuckable, why should I let myself get killed by them?
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>>86098380
what fucking metals could a species that lives underwater actually use that wouldn't rust
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>>86105854
>Africa
>exclusively egyption or arabic
like clockwork, why do so many people act this way?
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>>86121122
Grade 316 stainless steel https://www.theworldmaterial.com/aisi-316-ss316-stainless-steel-properties-composition/
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>>86121361
Those are the parts of Africa Europe interacted with, and therefore the parts that mattered.
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>>86121361
>>86121485

They aren’t exclusively though. I am pretty sure some if not most of the pictured swords are from West Africa.
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Their forges and smelters are all above water hidden. Merfolk blacksmiths have both powerful arms to pull themselves across land and powerful lungs to keep working.

The oldest documented metal invention of the merfolk is a bucket that the creator presumably made so as to allow him further time on land.
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>>86106581
I think we can safely assume that mermaids living at those pressures ain't gonna be what OP is after nor will they interact with landlubbers.
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>>86098380
1) magic
2) underwater vents but give them natural heat resistance
Boom problem solved
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>>86121361
I don't exactly see what you're getting worked up here over, if say china was the only area to make swords in asia wouldn't the swords still be from asia? You're getting weirdly hung up over pedantic minutiae.
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>>86098380
They don't.
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>>86098380
They don't. Most of their tools and weapons are grown from Mother of Pearl/Nacre using giant oysters. It takes decades of careful cultivation to grow a sword.
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>>86122283
>black people never had ironworking because they're stupid and lazy
>"here are examples of african ironworking"
>those don't count because I want to hate niggers not participate in a discussion
Don't even try, anon.
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>>86109895
that's not what 'meme' means.
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>>86098380
Mermaids that sing coral into crystalline structures that are stronger and sharper than metal tools.
There, you have shiny new fantasy eldar fish, enjoy your fishbone weapons you autistic dweeb.
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>>86098527
No, elaborate pls?
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Twist: they don't have metal weapons but they've bred enormous sea snails that generate their own metal armor and have that sea snail harpoon tooth. They're basically living tanks.
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>>86124679
>harpoon tooth
This is actually it's penis, right?
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>>86100603
>trade for spider silk from land dwellers and treat with alchemy (or make up a sea spider)

sea silk existst irl, anon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_silk
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>>86125048
Thanks for sharing anon, I can apply this concept of mollusk silk quite nicely into a story I'm writing.
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>>86098380
What is this obession with merfolk smelting metal underwater?
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>>86117881
whichn?
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>>86098380
They do metallurgy in air pockets or on the surface.

Surfacers don't hesitate to go to the sea and even dive when really want something there.
Why do you think merfolk would be different towards the surface?
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>>86105545
Salt water fucks even stainless steel.
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>his mermaids aren't heat-resistant with metallic scales on their fish parts
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>>86121122
Red metals (copper, brass, bronze.)
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>>86124813
Yeah, weaponized giant snail penises.
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>>86102330
Some people think mermaid tails have femur and tibia shaped vertebrae. That's what my mother thought for a while before I showed her a mermaid tail that was fishier.
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>>86098838
What kind of hitters do they like? Asking for national security reasons.
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>>86126680
Ignoring that alloys would be extremely difficult to make underwater, sea water is still going to be hell on copper-based pieces. Especially on tools, because mechanical forces will break off the oxidation layer.
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>>86125847
is that mother Kos?
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God I fucking hate realism.
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This thread turned out to be surprisingly informative and inspiring. Thanks /tg/!
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>>86124365
yes it is:
>a meme is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning representing a particular phenomenon or theme
>A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices, that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme.
>Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate, and respond to selective pressures.
inb4 le wikipedia bad
inb4 but that's not le 4chan meaning of the word
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>>86130606
How was your first day here ;^)
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>>86130725
bitter and brokenpilled
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>>86125847
People being obsessed with making things historically or realistically accurate.
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>>86129523
Kos, or some say Kosm

>>86133278
>historically or realistically accurate

Okay, they can make tools out of rocks, bones, and coral.

They could practice some form of agriculture by cultivating sea plants.

They can hunt for fish and other sea creatures

They could write by carving into stones.

The idea they need to somehow figure out how to mine and cast iron underwater is a level of autism that aligns with retardation.
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>>86125847
>one thread
>obession
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>>86098380
>How do mermaids smelt metal for metal items without fire?
A special form of alchemy known only to mer people, a mermaid will eat the metal then change it's shape and hardness inside of her body, the mermaid will then shit out the a suit of chain-mail armor or a great sword fully formed and ready to use.
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I would think glass would be far more valuable militarily to merfolk. Saltwater would corrode any nongold metal stupid fast, but glass has the advantage of being easily created on beaches and being nearly invisible underwater, great for traps and blades you can't see.
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>>86098380
underwater volcanos
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>>86103512
>>86105854
>>86121485
I didn't know there was even popular-level doubt of sub-Saharan African iron working. It varied a lot by region but there was plenty going on in Central and Western Africa.There is a lively debate over whether it was independently invented or copied from other cultures before spreading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_metallurgy_in_Africa

There were even people in what is now Tanzania producing steel from between 1500-2000 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanzania#Ancient
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>>86139179
spiteful bump
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>>86139179
Go cry about it. Not op btw.
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>>86098380
They don't you numrod, they grow coral into armored plates and spear tips, or borrow teeth and shells from the wildlife.
Otherwise they get rust resistant bronze from the mainland, but it's reserved for the elite of the elite
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>>86124641
Ya throw it into snow and wait for the metals to “fuse” together via ice crystals, duh
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cool thread
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>>86098380
mermaid girls suck cock in seaside towns for metal goods
mermaid boys sink ships and drown sailors to loot the metal goods out of the shipwrecks
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>>86121361
Because they are ideologically invested in pretending Sub-Saharans were as advanced as Europe.
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>>86100626
>says historical fact
>the woke jannie gets mad

LOL
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>>86142271
>seething this hard that you don't know shit about history
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>>86098380
The smell like ... oh, nevermind.
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>>86142271
>people trying to have discussion
>retard /pol/ kiddise try to make a joke based off current culture warrior outrage that's already tired
>told to fuck off (with historical examples as to why the /pol/tards wrong)
>/pol/tards either resort to shrieking, goalpost moving, or semantics
It's like clockwork, it's why no one on this site likes you, except /v/irgins and robots.
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>>86149913
kek
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>hurrrrr durrr fire no work underwater
-op, probably

https://youtu.be/U3yBnodXI7E
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>>86098380

It’s always hotta unda dee wata, take it from me.
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>>86098380
Why should mermaids smelt metal?
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>>86155526
The issue isn't the lack of heat in the water, it's that water conducts heat much better than air, so a sweltering smithy on the surface would be almost-boiling water underwater. It's still probably possible to smith with magic, you'd just have to do it from much further away than on the surface, or have a way to keep yourself cool.
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>>86098380
Instead of conventional tool use their civilization developed by heavily selectively breeding sea life to perform specialized purposes.
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Since mermaid are fish from the waist down, do they ley eggs?



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