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How good/bad do half elves have it in your setting?
Are their births usually from happy couples or unwanted side effects of short flings?
Are they treated as mule eared mutts or as a bridge between races?
Are they welcomed or expected to participate in high society or do they get pushed into the under class?
Can they breed or are they all sterile?
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>>86085533
>Are their births usually from happy couples or unwanted side effects of short flings?

Either or, like with same-race couples

>Are they treated as mule eared mutts or as a bridge between races?

Mostly treated fine, there's not much discrimination toward half-breeds aside from some worry toward half-orcs in my setting.

>Are they welcomed or expected to participate in high society or do they get pushed into the under class?

Depends on their parent/s, or what they do with their lives

>Can they breed or are they all sterile?

They can breed
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half elves are almost exclusively nobles in human societies. so they have it pretty good and are generally expected to be wealthy
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>>86085533
The “civilized” elves referred to as “Low” Elves by the Mountain Elves and exist within mainline society much the same as humans. Many of their bloodlines are diluted by cross-breeding, and notably the men can grow facial hair. They are of mixed hair and eye color, but typically pale skinned. They are roughly the same height and weight as humans. They tend towards Bards and Mages as adventurers.

They basically self-sustain as a race. They participate in society without any real difference from "regular" humans.
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>>86085533
My setting has elves who are immortal unless killed, and they reincarnate so there's a finite number of them.
Half-elves are treated like humans by elves because they don't have elf souls.
They're treated like elves by humans because they still live potentially forever.
They're all sterile, and thankfully so, because living as long as elves without a hard cap on their numbers would make both races see them as a threat.
As it stands, they're just seen as eternal outsiders, but not necessarily treated poorly.
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Damn, that elf has the AGP smirk
uh oh
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>>86085533
I play sword world, where the child is either a human or an elf and there are no half breeds. Why would half elves exist but half dwarves not exist? What about half halflings? Quarterlings? Half breeds cause a lot of problems if you introduce them into a setting.
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>>86085533
>How good/bad do half elves have it in your setting?

That is very much a matter of were in my setting we are talking about. In Lyonesse a Not!Camelot is a matter of the social classes of their parents. They have it as good or as bad as their parents have it. In Helheim and Vanheim they are normally the result of Concubinage either from their parents or more likely from generations ago. The ones that are directly from Concubinage get the change to earn their place in life via merit but they MUST earn it. No sliver spoons at birth. The ones not directly from Concubinage get whatever lot in life their parents or grandparents earned. In Pelagia they used to have it like Helheim and Vanheim but Pelagia is now part of a Human Empire. Half elf's in that part of the empire are viewed as either the product of elf's enslaving and then fucking human, or from whores, or from has been marrying new money humans hoping to regain influence. Thing is that is mostly correct.

>Are their births usually from happy couples or unwanted side effects of short flings?

By volume most half elf's are mult-generational. Having said that the point in their family tree were they became "half" is most do to Concubinage.

>Are they treated as mule eared mutts or as a bridge between races?

As either a lesser caste of elfs, sons of whores, or bridge between races. This is very much a matter of were the elf is from/ is in.

>Are they welcomed or expected to participate in high society or do they get pushed into the under class?

This is very much a matter of were the elf is from/ is in.

>Can they breed or are they all sterile?

This is a issue first generation half elf do have to a degree. More so in low con people and more so in males then females. It is just like bengal cat breeding. Herbal help for it is a thing.
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>>86088354
That's all elves, anon.
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>>86085533
>How good/bad do half elves have it in your setting?
Pretty good among humans, treated like nobility or just super special humans.
>Are their births usually from happy couples or unwanted side effects of short flings?
Either elves planting their seed in noble lines or some lone elf wandering from village to village seducing naive farmer girls.
>Are they treated as mule eared mutts or as a bridge between races?
Neither, see above.
>Are they welcomed or expected to participate in high society or do they get pushed into the under class?
Why would they ever be lower class? They often belong to the nobility or make it to the top of society through their greater skills and magical abilities.
>Can they breed or are they all sterile?
The former.
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>>86088667

I should say that I run my game in a swords and sorcery/ swords and sandals type spirit. A mythic tone when talking about the ancient past in the setting but a more down to earth element when talking recent and now.

Elfs used to be the cultural power on the continent. When they fell from that they still left behind strong regional powers. Those powers would do what they could to keep themselves on top. If making a lesser kinship group that they could force to prove themselves in some way that helps reinforce the state then they will do it. Lyonesse is the only area they did not follow that play book. Rather then growing the population they felt that fortifications to keep they people they already have safe was a better way forward.

There is a reason that they ended up inside a human feudal kingdom but with favorable feudal contracts. By not disrespecting their neighbors they had a way forwards when not in power. Unlike Pelagia.
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>>86085533
>How good/bad do half elves have it in your setting?
Not at all, completely neutral - why should they?
>Are their births usually from happy couples or unwanted side effects of short flings?
... why not both?
>Are they treated as mule eared mutts or as a bridge between races?
... what?
>Are they welcomed or expected to participate in high society or do they get pushed into the under class?
Depends on the situation and who they are
>Can they breed or are they all sterile?
Of course they can

The fuck is this thread even about and how the hell it relates with games? Those questions are completely abstract and setting-agnostic (despite being about setting)
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>>86085533
They are generally considered attractive, but are kind of outsiders both races of their parentage.
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>>86089657
>The fuck is this thread even about and how the hell it relates with games? Those questions are completely abstract and setting-agnostic (despite being about setting)
OP only wanted to post that picture and expects a lewd or waifudump. His prompt is deliberately setting- and system-agnostic because he doesn't play and he wants everyone to be able to participate (aka his fellow no-gamers). He cannot enter a game-related discussion without embarrassing himself. This is all he can do, yet he comes here on a regular basis. Welcome to /tg/.
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>>86088354
>the AGP smirk
The what?
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>>86089657
>>86089862
He's asking about your homebrew setting. You know, the one you play games in?
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>>86089862

I think that this thread is a clear effort to do world building on a single narrow subject. Which does do help for running a game.

For those that think that it does not have you ran a meta-setting like plane scape or spell jammer? Were you visit many worlds? If you have ran or playied in that type of game you world know that world building like this can be very helpful.
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>>86085533
>How good/bad do half elves have it in your setting?
Unlike most settings, my half elves are their own stable species descended from generations of interbreeding between men and elves, they have their own territory in the elven country and serve as middle men between it and the mainland
>Are their births usually from happy couples or unwanted side effects of short flings?
Most half elves have elven parents but like any other race it varies from couple to couple
>Are they treated as mule eared mutts or as a bridge between races?
Definitely the latter, they're the only ones who know how to navigate the blue mountains, which rise from the ocean between the land of the elves and the mainland
>Are they welcomed or expected to participate in high society or do they get pushed into the under class?
They have their own society made up of both, the upper classes are those with the most influence on maritime trade, whereas commoners mostly get by as fishermen or deckhands on merchant vessels
>Can they breed or are they all sterile?
They can breed and a half-elven couple will produce half-elven children, which has lead to their current status as a race distinct from both men and elves
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>>86085533
>How good/bad do half elves have it in your setting?
Good in human countries, bad in elf countries.
>Are their births usually from happy couples or unwanted side effects of short flings?
It's either happy couples or rape.
>Are they treated as mule eared mutts or as a bridge between races?
They're more beautiful and intelligent than humans, so in human societies they're seen as superstars, but in elven societies they're seen as deficient elves (they're stronger and tougher than anyone else, but elven culture de-emphasises physical strength)
>Are they welcomed or expected to participate in high society or do they get pushed into the under class?
That depends on the society. And on the social class of the parents. An elven princess can still force the people to treat her half-human mutt as a prince because sycophancy and hierarchy are deeply ingrained in elven culture.
>Can they breed or are they all sterile?
They can breed just as well as ligers.
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>>86089657
Do half elves have a lifespan that differs from elves/humans?

Are you saying the people who mature at completely different rates, or can potentially never live up to the expectations of a society of ancients, are treated 100% the same, and have no tension due to their background, or disconnection to it?

Even real life mixed culture people have more issues due to lack of language/culture/skills vs fresh off the boat issues, why wouldn't half elves?
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>>86085533

In this setting the Human Blood is dominant. All Half-races are a direct result of Human and full-blooded race fucking. Tieflings, Genasi, Half-Orcs, you name it, all the result of humans fucking other species. One day there will be nothing left but Humans.

>How good/bad do half elves have it in your setting?

Seen as normal by Humans, Feared by elves. Humans and elves create half elves, Half elves and elves create half elves. Humans and Half elves create humans. The Humans are removing the elves one fuck at a time.

> Are their births usually from happy couples or unwanted side effects of short flings?

Little of column A, little of Column B. The Heart wants what the heart wants. Elves tend to be more cautious than humans, however.

>Are they treated as mule eared mutts or as a bridge between races?

Most elf cultures treat them as somewhat lesser, more as a sign of their impending extinction than as less superior.

>Are they welcomed or expected to participate in high society or do they get pushed into the under class?

Most noble human families see being able to trace your lineage back to the nobles of the ancient Elven Empire as a sign of pedigree. Most half elven noble families try and preserve as much elven blood by only allowing half elven or full elven partners for their heirs.

>Can they breed or are they all sterile?

They can fuck and reproduce as well as any human.
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>>86090439
Last time I've played a game set in fantasy setting, homebrew or not, Obama was in his first term. Last time I've run one, it was '17.
And those questions are idiotic abstractions that add absolutely nothing to no game nor any setting
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>>86097066
> game set in fantasy setting, homebrew or not, Obama was in his first term. Last time I've run one, it was '17.

1.If you do not run or play in fantasy setting why are you posting in a thread that is about something in fantasy settings?

2. So what TTRPGs have you been playing?
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>>86085533
Do half-elves in your setting typically have an elven father and a human mother, or the other way around, and why? And how quickly do their traits dilute, can you no longer tell that a family has elf blood after two generations if they marry humans? What about with elves and human blood?
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>>86097327
1. Because OP asked a bunch of questions that I still could have answer
2. Group I'm playing with is using T2k (2.2 ed, not the new trash one), group I'm running for is playing Gunslinger and Gamblers
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>>86085533
In my setting half-elf doesn't literally mean a 50/50 mix of elves and humans. It's anyone who's elf enough not to be human, but not elf enough to be a real elf. The elfin qualities do diminish over the generations, so if you go down long enough they'll start making normal people again.
There's no broad answer to how good they have, it depends on time, place, and circumstances of their birth. Some places distrust elves, some don't. Half-elves are generally accepted most places, though, since they have a natural social instinct and no insular culture to prevent integration. They usually consider themselves citizens of the place they were born, and half-elves a distant second.
In elven society, they're not treated as elves, and are generally found to be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Some elves have half-elf children, that they usually love like they would a real child. It's generally considered folly to make them, as the elf is setting themselves up for sadness down the line, considering how half-elves don't have the longevity of proper elves.
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>>86090460
>To get cute choco chick you need to fuck a Nip
Okinawians confirmed for Japanese.
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>>86098495
I'm glad I don't spend enough time here to understand this post.
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Male halfelves grow beards to distinguish themselves apart from regular elves, but how do you tell a halfelf girl apart from an elf?
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>>86099030
Elves have small boobs, half-elves have big boobs. Jokes aside, I think elves should have an obvious supernatural quality to them, like you look at them and you just know that's an elf. Half-elves would then have the same shape, but not the supernatural air.
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>>86085533
half-good
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>>86099119
That'd not reconcilable with the regular fantasy elf played in traditional games.
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>>86085533
>How good/bad do half elves have it in your setting?
Pretty bad. While it's certainly possible for a half-elf to be a seamless blend of both elven grace/longevity and human robustness/drive which elevates the half-elf above the pinnacles of both elf and man, it's more likely for them to end up with shorter lives and health issues. Certain mystics and physicians claim to be able to alleviate these ailments or guarantee that prospective parents produce powerful progeny, but reliable successes are few.
>Are their births usually from happy couples or unwanted side effects of short flings?
That is a matter of perspective! What may be a lifelong commitment from a human can easily be an impulsive phase for an elf.
>Are they treated as mule eared mutts or as a bridge between races?
The better outcomes are treated as blessings, generally. There's a subtle sentiment that, should there be something *wrong* with the half-elf, that they, their parents, or the circumstances of their conception were somehow *wrong* in the same way the best of them did something *right*. Futile attempts to systematize why some births go well and some don't has lead to innumerable superstitions and prejudices in that regard.
>Are they welcomed or expected to participate in high society or do they get pushed into the under class?
A healthy and powerful hybrid born to well-bred parents in good standing is going to be treated a bit better than a wretched cripple born in the gutter to a cheap whore and a sellsword, if that makes any sense.
>Can they breed or are they all sterile?
Bit of a crapshoot there. They aren't *all* sterile, but that is one of the more commonplace defects.
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>>86085533
Halfbreeds don't exist. But humans and elves are the same species, so it's a moot point.
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>>86085533
>What is the half-elf lifespan like in your setting? If they live longer than their human parent would, assuming natural causes of course, how would this compare to their elven parent?
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Humans with elven characteristics. As in, refusing to work and would rather wander to weird places.
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>>86085533
>How pointy are half-elf ears compared to elf ones? Are they pointy at all?
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>>86099208
how so?
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>>86104016
Elves are effectively just a human variant, not some kind of super duper mystical creature that incels wank to.
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>>86104869
Honestly a lot of that stems from D&D and it's spinoffs treating magic like it's candy
When everything is mystical the pointy eared magic lady tends to stand out less
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>>86085533
It's a mix up but they largely get used for their magic or get discarded
>Are their births usually from happy couples or unwanted side effects of short flings?
Even by elven standards human/elf relationships are short lived.
>Are they treated as mule eared mutts or as a bridge between races?
It depends on where they are born and if they have magic aptitude or not
If they are born in human cities they will generally be seen as outsiders and regarded much the same way as full elves
If they are born in elven society they will generally be regarded as a "cousin" among elven brothers and sisters, nominally welcomed but generally pushed to the periphery with little hope for advancement
The best off are those born in less developed human villages, they are generally viewed as a blessing
>Are they welcomed or expected to participate in high society or do they get pushed into the under class?
In human cities those with magical potential tend to get snapped up by the local magical groups while those without tend to be regarded as failures to be discarded.
Elves will take care of them preventing them from forming a true underclass but they have little hope of advancing
Villages will usually apprentice them to the local hedge mage or put them into leadership positions
For obvious reasons many half elves chose to live in human villages if the option becomes available and there are several cases where they have formed their own communities
>Can they breed or are they all sterile?
They can breed but its very hard on half elven women who are usually pregnant for several years, they are also prone to complications if the father isn't another half elf.
As a result successful births are quite rare outside of all half elf communities.
Its also worth noting that there are several half elf breeding programs run by humans in an attempt to maintain a steady supply of half elf mages.
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>>86103793
Why is the halfsy darker than their parents?
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>>86108282
fuck off bumpfag
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>>86108314
No U
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>>86098983
Which means you are not only a newfag, but the education system in your country is a total failure, too
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>>86108581
Teaching your poor kids about minorities in fucking Japan (that will be fully assimilated within our lifetime, too) - now that is what I call a total failure.
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>>86085533
Depends on the society they live in. Humans are by and large accepting of half breeds, but elven society treats them as "non elves" legally, and so naturally have less political and social privilege.
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>>86100915
I usually go with ~400 years with a good amount of fluctuation due to magic and genetics
significantly longer than a human but shorter than the millennium+ afforded to a full blood elf
Second and third generation half elves will get longer or shorter lifespans depending on if they have more elf or human in them.
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>>86100915
Humans live for 80 years, halfelfs for 100 years, full elfs for 300 years.
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>>86085533
>What classes do you think best fit for half-elves and why?
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>>86113703
Depends on the half-elf, their attributes, abilities and their lore in the respective setting.
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>>86085533
Depends on the land they're in.
In some they're treated as ordinary citizens just like everyone else. In others, especially near the border, are considered an odd curiosity at best and weird untrustworthy halfbreeds at worst.

In one particular kingdom, however, the half elves are the ruling class, and are trying to restore the old dinasty of pure elf blood through careful eugenics in order to rid themselves of their human ancestry
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>>86113703
Bard is the stereotypical half elf class
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>>86085533
I have a preference for making each ancestry feel pretty alien to Humans, and I've only recently started thinking about how this would effect half elves.

I got this Half Wood Elf NPC I've been trying to expand on as she's going to be with the party for a while. Here's some scattershot ideas.

>You have 2 different biological rythms that are in competition
>Your relationship with sleep is weird and your circadian rythm expands and contracts like the phases of the moon, making your energy level very inconsistent with human and elven culture.
>Food is different. The things you find delicious and the nutrients you need are sometimes VERY different from what it is for humans and elves.
>There might be times of the seasons when you are unable to eat despite feeling hunger.
>Your perceptions are enhanced with elven sharpness but lack elven control. This leads to some stimuli being overwhelming like being able to hear people internal organs, making you often feel offput by messy humans.
>Your moods and compulsions change drasticallly with the seasons as there is a weakened magical tether between you and nature that you don't inherently understand.

This pushes Half Elves to be very weird people who are prone to becoming social outcasts, struggling to fit in not only culturally but biologically. If they do come off as "indistinguishable from a human" it's because they've worked incredibly hard to understand and control themselves. And a well adjusted well trained half elf would be a powerful and capable person in human society.
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>>86114267
>In one particular kingdom, however, the half elves are the ruling class
Are they halfdrow?
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Because High Elves are decadent whores, Half Elves are usually trophy children that grow up to be jaded. A lot of the times humans will assume they're herpes ridden degenerates the moment they notice pointy ears. So kinda bad but far from the worst.
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>>86115665
no, just normal half elves
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>>86113703
Half elves tend to be magical but those who aren't lucky usually find themselves in the same roles a normal human would.
Their more acute senses are a boon for ranged characters but those with the strength for it see little reason to not wade into melee.
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>>86085533
Elves are just human/fey hybrids to begin with, if stable enough to be their own race. A half-elf is basically just a human with minor elf traits.
>How good/bad do half elves have it in your setting?
As good/bad as anyone else, too many other factors involved to generalize, so you go case by case
>Are their births usually from happy couples or unwanted side effects of short flings?
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
>Are they treated as mule eared mutts or as a bridge between races?
Neither really, they're hardly unique enough to be considered those ways.
>Are they welcomed or expected to participate in high society or do they get pushed into the under class?
Depends on parents social positions and what they do in life.
>Can they breed or are they all sterile?
They can breed. Much like humans, half elves are interfertile with all the other races.
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>>86085533
They used to have it pretty rough, but now that they're far more common they aren't treated too badly. Although they are still shit on. There was a massive population explosion following the conquest of elvish Gaul and Albion by the human legions, you can probably guess why. In the current age, they are mocked as being half-breeds and insulted for their ancestors failing, but are given the same legal rights as the ret of the civilians. Much of patrician class has some as servants or playthings for a status symbol (a pure elf is even more of one), but will not legitimize and children of these relations. Still though, could be worse, could be treated like the Orcs.
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>>86085533
half elves are one of the most common hybrid races as well as being highly valued due to how many races find them attractive. full elves are also consider beautiful but are seen as more exotic than sex (larger eyes, slender bodies, fairly androgynous all around). meanwhile half elves are comparable to you average super model.
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>>86085533
>Are their births usually from happy couples or unwanted side effects of short flings?
most half-elves are the children of half-elves with other half-elves and they mostly just consider themselves humans and their nationality is much more important to their identity than the fact they have pointy ears. Same for half-orcs, although full-blooded orcs view half-orcs much more favorably than full-blooded elves view half-elves since they don't have the stigma of a parent outliving their child a dozen times over and half-orcs have greater magical aptitude on average
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>>86085533
Tanis Halfelven
Elrond
Aragorn.

three fantasy half elves i base my half elves upon.
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Orks love half elves
Much more tender than humans and with more meat than elves
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I've written up a fairly generic yet still fitting enough in the setting backstory for my upcoming character who's a "commoner" elf man who found love with a human woman who herself and her father are part of "basically British Empire standin army group name here", and they have a half-elf child who gets kidnapped as an infant, though my character thinks it died, in an event that leads to the human woman dying, and her father drove my character to go and find vengeance alone by saying along the lines of "why waste time on that half-blood filth" or so on. Easy enough to work with to get a """good""" guy to do some nefarious stuff.
Seeing this thread, I was just wondering if there's a way I can make this even more racially offensive. Maybe I should be the human and she the elf? Open to suggestions really.
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>>86085533
They exist, but the Elves don't let their women out of the forest generally, which means that it's mostly elf men boinking human women. This happens a lot, and it leads to some awkwardness because the entire reason the Elves don't let their women outside is that they have extreme taboos about sexual morality and racial purity.

So even SEEING a half-elf implies either a tremendous, unforgivable crime on the part of a human, or an even more tremendous unforgivable crime on the part of an elvish man, and this drives Elves up the wall. They will never acknowledge it, and will grow irrationally angry if pressed on the issue.

Humans tend to notice this and assume that the Elves know something they don't, and keep the halfbreeds at an arm's length. Typically they're lonely souls pushed out of their communities into racial ghettoes where they sometimes group together to try and eke something out, or they go adventuring, since those sorts tend to be less discriminating.

Very, VERY rarely you get an elf who ends up producing a half-elf, and instead of abandoning it goes into exile with it. Father-daughter/son duos are the most common of these, and these are some romantic tales of an Elf living alongside his increasingly human descendants for generations until finally he can't see a trace of his blood left in them. At this point, they usually end up becoming adventurers themselves because they've got nothing left to live for.
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>>86085533
I was listening to a [Spoiler] DnD Podcast [/Spoiler] and two of the characters were a Hoity High Elf Bard whose Father was murdered, his Mom went on to Marry a Human and had a Half-Elf Son.
Half-Elf's a dumb who looks up to his brother to an Insane degree, but the High Elf refers to him as Half-Stranger and is still seething over his dead dad and the fact that his brother lives with him but doesn't pay rent despite both of them working the same Mercenary jobs.
I'm not a huge fan of high fantasy but I love the idea of a Half-Elf constantly interacting with his annoyed High Elf Brother.
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>>86125043
>when onii-chan is a hundred years older than you but you're the same level because elves are autistic and retarded and take a decade to learn how to tie their shoes
lol
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>>86085533
Where do the half-elves of your setting fall religion wise? Do they tend to worship the elven god(s) more, the human deities, or both at the same time?
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>>86127724
Fuck off bumpfag
It's not THAT interesting
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>>86127849
No u
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>>86127724
Half elves usually don't worship either.
Elven gods are just as stuffy as the elves and human religions marginalize non and near humans.
Some worship halfling gods for being more accepting while others turn to pagan beliefs like animism, or set up cults around the local witch or warlocks patron.
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>>86085533
Don't have em. Elves and humans can't breed with each other.
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>>86130979
best solution
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>>86127724
Half-elves worship half-elf gods.
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Most elves died in the fey war and they have almost entirely be absorbed by the handful of dominant human kingdoms. They get along well due to a long history of cooperation and the incorrect belief that they are distant races of the same species. Half elves do exist but their conception is uncommon even among elf-human couples and they are universally sterile. Elves are well accepted among basically all human territory but hated above all others by dwarves. Interactions between elves and dwarves are uncommon as elves have little reason to interact with the dwarvish territory and dwarves rarely travel far from their subterranean empires.
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>>86123697
I guess the real question is do you want elves or humans to be more racist
If you are going for both I'd suggest keeping it as it is and having him try to get some elves involved only to be rejected with similar reasoning.
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>>86131038
And those gods are? How do they differ from the human or elven deities?
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>>86134929
They are the bastard children of the elf and human gods.
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>>86132173
Not a bad idea at all. Might as well go both ways like one would expect in a scenario like this.
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>>86135812
If you are looking for different flavors of racisms
The elves would probably find it weird that the girl wasn't just a toy for him or that he cares at all about the kid. Initially simply not take it seriously that he was upset and wanting revenge, and then moving on to ostracizing him for legitimately falling in love with a human.
Humans would probably find the idea of an interspecies couple disgraceful, possibly have the family distance or disown the woman when she started getting involved with an elf
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>>86136310
Going to write this down for both this particularly bland character and for any possible spiceups I might want to give a world if I DM in the future.
Thanks for the help with fantasy racism, brah.
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>>86085533
Half-elves in my setting are all extremely rare as most races are poor at interbreeding, although possible. When they do interbeed, they are almost always sterile and suffer from wacky mutations like extra limbs, strange skin/hair colors, etc. Most elven societies don't really mind them if they're not low-born and the human societies find them so rare as to be a novelty.



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