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A thread for discussing the 'Star Wars' franchise and its various gaming adaptations.

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Thread question: What's your favourite force power?
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>Thread question: What's your favourite force power?
Burst of Speed my beloved
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STOP FUCKING UP THE SUBJECT LINE YOU CANCEROUS RETARD
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>>85538287
Ah, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan's trademark technique.
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>>85538314
Yes. Although, much to my displeasure, Droidekas are not the problem for Jedi in Legion that they're implied to be in TPM.
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>>85538287
>Burst of Speed
Did you mean: Jedi Dash!!
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>>85538287
Nothing like activating Force Speed 4 aka the Katarn Speed in DFII
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>>85538143

I cannot tell from the thumbnail if that is Luke or Han.
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>>85538564
Doubt she cares
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>>85538365
>redditbuddy
No, I mean Burst of Speed you unfunny faggot
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>>85538564
Hans clothes are right above him you blind asshole.
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I always like the bit in the family guy star wars episodes where they just go "no seriously, Lando is wearing Han's clothes in this scene, its wierd"
and then when you actually watch RoTJ Lando is actually wearing Han's clothes in that scene

which begs the question
why was he wearing Hans Clothes?
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>>85538679
Gee Lois this reminds of the time when bird is the word chicken fight of the time lois when quagmire the time lois it reminds me of the time lois the time the time im losing time lois its slipping time is slipping lois the time the time the time the time

ehhheheheheeheh
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>>85538679
He just escaped from Cloud City and probably has nothing besides what he was literally wearing at the time. So he probably raided Han’s wardrobe for a fresh change of clothes. It did seem a bit off to me, but I also wonder now, given that Harrison Ford has been fairly vocal about wanting Han to die in ROTJ, that maybe it might have been an early attempt at setting up Lando to take Han’s place with Han himself dead.
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>>85538143

Proving that the Force is a cruel god, Han had been struck blind that day.
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Who's the best of the big four councilors?
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>/bdcg/ Brain Dead Cooming General
>irrelevant and retarded op picture
>A thread for [irrelevant topic] jack off to my op picture please hehe x3
For fuck's sake, just fap before posting.
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>>85538867
The one with his own harem.
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>>85538886
It's not as bad as the last thread which had a literal porn OP, but it's still pretty bad.
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>>85538966
>>85538886
Getting offended by coomposting on 4chan marks you as a colossal newfag who most assuredly was not aware of this website before 2019

However, OP is as an even bigger faggot than either of you for deliberately trying to cultivate an identity on an anonymous imageboard through his flippant and irreverent vandalism of an ancient thread.
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>“I’ve seen the first four [episodes of Andor] and it’s the most serious, grounded thing Star Wars has ever done. It feels more like an English-made espionage thriller than Star Wars. It is totally unconcerned with giving you fan service moments, and instead wants to delve into what it’s like for the bit players in this universe to wake up every morning and go about their day. This is not space opera. It’s more space drama. It’s slow, deliberate, complex (for Star Wars) and asks the viewer to do some work. It actually humanizes roles that are traditionally cartoon evil in the SW universe. It’s attempting to tell a grown up story, and I think a lot of fans are going to haaaate it. [Tony] Gilroy’s presence is all over this thing. It’s got that cinema verite vibe that the core Bourne movies had going for them. Puts you in the world like never before. Whether the world can hold up to that level of scrutiny is up for debate, but it is fascinating.”
>"The first three [episodes] are one complete story arc. A mini-movie."
>"When the reality [of a more grounded story] is heroes that act like villains, villains motivated by heroic impulses, and zero humor, we’ll see [if the fanbase likes it]".
>“Of the first 4 [episodes], Luthen and Mon Mothma are def the rebel MVPs. Andor is probably the least interesting character, but then they’ve got a long way to go to get him to the man we meet in Rogue One. There is much more interesting characterization going on on the ‘imperial’ side of things, and lemme tell you, it is fascinating to me. I kind of wish we got a whole show about that.”
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>>85539051
>people posted loli and shota in 2003 so that means its okay!!!
It was wrong then and it's wrong now.
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>>85539086
You called a kiss "porn". You opinion is worth less than a cockroach shit.
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>>85539086
>It was fine then and it's fine now.
ftfy
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>>85539056
>espionage thriller than
No one is falling for this shit again.
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>>85539056
Sounds like it could be good, but I don't watch Disney+ shows.
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>>85539179
Reminds me of how every MCU movie they say shit like "its actually more a horror or x genre film" and its not.
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>>85539056
>serious, grounded thing
>STAR Wars
It’s going to be shit.
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>OP fucking up the thread name again
Even the Emperor's Children didn't descend to this level of faggotry.
>>85539056
In other words, it's still going to be dogshit that contains nothing worth putting on the tabletop. Why does anyone bother talking about these shitty shows anymore?
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While we're on the topic of irreverent coombait, are there any canonical sources for the cost of slaves in Star Wars? Not talking Twi'lek courtesans, necessarily, but hard labourers and so on, I'm trying to see if it's at all economically reasonable to enslave people for simple but arduous tasks when reprogrammed B1 battle droids droids can do much of the same work with much less risk.
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>>85539227
>In other words, it's still going to be dogshit that contains nothing worth putting on the tabletop.

Haven't we seen 2-3 new potential miniatures just in the most recent trailer?
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>>85538679
>why was he wearing Hans Clothes?
The Falcon was Lando's ship first, maybe Han is wearing Lando's clothes.
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>>85539246
Probably depends on the specific cases of slave. A wookee laborer will probably be worth more than a human for example.
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>>85539246
Slaves are only shown as status icons and droid labor is cheap. They must be pricey.
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>>85539194
I don't remember anyone saying that ever about any MCU movie
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>>85539293
They said "horror", like anon mentioned, about the most recent Doctor Strange a lot. But that's the only example I can think of.
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>>85539148
You support pedophilia.
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>>85539246
One of the d20 RPGs for Star Wars listed the cost of a slave as 2x the droid equivalent in levels, skills, and abilities.
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>>85539324
do you think that anon thinks that is bad?
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>>85539293
I think it started with The Winter Soldier, "This isn't a superhero film it is a spy/espionage thriller!" More recently it is Dr Strange: Multiverse of Madness and how they said it was actually a horror when it wasn't. They've said similar things about some of the other movies/Disney+ shows (Ant Man is a heist film!). It was more marketing/reviews claiming something than the audience.

I feel like when it comes to franchise shit like Marvel or this SW stuff they like to compare it to other genres to try and say to people it elevates x thing. "Andor is actually an espionage thriller drama you've never seen the like of before!" You'll watch it and it'll be nothing like this description.
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>>85539246
The cost of a slave is never being able to go near a civilised system. Shit, even most uncivilised systems will probably give you heavily disgusted side eye.
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>>85539324
Why yes I support the molestation of young boys by older women, how could you tell?
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>>85539056
They said the same shit about Kenobi. Unless it gives me a cool weapon or vehicle design or SOMETHING to sink my teeth into I really don't give a fuck. And seeing how the best gun they can come with is literally just an AK, this show has nothing to offer me.
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>>85539588
it's a 5 year age gap and they didn't have a romantic relationship until Anakin was already 19
so it's all above board
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>>85539915
Baron Harkonnen seems to have a cool looking new ship in the trailer.

It's got a Corellian style cockpit, but it looks more like some sort of heavy gunship than a freighter.
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>>85539056
Sounds dogshit.
>villains motivated by heroic impulses
Yeah, right.
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>>85539246
NO POD IS WORTH TWO SLAVES!
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>>85540123
I was about to bitch and call it just another Falconlike it still is, imo but I can at least sort of vibe to Corellian gunships. It's something, I guess.
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>>85540123
>heavy gunship
I don't see it. There is one gun type thing on the wing, probably mirrored on the other side, and maybe 2 bow tubes? an x-wing is more heavily armed.
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>>85540295
There's another scene in the trailer where it's show to have at least one retracting turret that he uses to destroy a TIE.
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>>85540310
Right, right. I forgot to list that, but still, its not very much.
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>>85538143
After reading about the Darth Jar Jar theory, I'm now convinced that Jar Jar is a sith lord who got converted by Palpatine early on and force waved his way into all of his promotions, and George Lucas cancelled this plot because of backlash.
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>>85540341
It was never the case and has no basis in the actual films or behind the scenes / Lucas' own words. Retarded theory.
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>>85540341
Your dumb. Jar Jar might've played a heavier role, but he still would've played the same role he already did: paving the road to hell with his good intentions. Jar Jar's whole contribution to the trilogy's arcing narrative was basically Mr. Smith Goes To Washington but he wises up too late to do anything about it. His hopeless optimism in everyone (including Palpatine) would've mirrored Anakin's growing cynicism with the state of the Republic. It would've been pottery, as they say.

That said, it's probably for the best he got written out. He still served the same goal and I doubt he would've contributed much more.
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>>85540226
Are those twi'leks naked? What the fucking fuck
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>>85540427
they're spandex bodysuits dummy, some chick in AOTC wears the same thing
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>>85536973
How should one build Rebel Troopers?
Fleets seem pretty straightforward with scatter guns

Also, how many Corps units in a good Rebel tourney list?
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>>85540576
The answer is ALWAYS a rocket launchers
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>>85540576
Three corps is most ideal so you have a solid body unless you wanna get real specialized. Maybe two rebel troopers and one of another
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>>85540576
>How should one build Rebel Troopers?
they are a flexible unit
DLT-20A gunline rebels are really strong when combined with beatsticks like luke
camp them on the objective and harass the enemy with long range fire, dodge is really good vs small accurate dice pools
when the enemy comes in to dislodge your gunline, you catch them with luke in a hammer and anvil

take them naked if you plan on just using them as activation filler in a hero-hammer/taun-taun list
the original Z6 build is really overlooked these days thanks to prevelance of gunlines but has good range 3 shooting and has good performance vs cover

do not take the SX-21
>Also, how many Corps units in a good Rebel tourney list?
opluke + generic officers took at least 4 DLTs
naked rebels tend to be in the minimum 3 to save points elsewhere
Z6s havent been seen in a while, but they act as a middle-ground between DLTs and naked troopers
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>>85540576
Answer to both questions is "it depends". For the second, usually 4-6 Corps, and aiming for 10+ total activations, is vaguely a good goal to strive for. Generally speaking, 50% or more of those 4-6 Corps squads should probably be Rebel Troopers, until you're confident at listbuilding.

There are many factors that play into listbuilding, so it's hard to distill down to any sort of rule of thumb. (For example: different commanders have different synergies. A consistent order pool is valuable, and Corps are required, so even more Corps means a cleaner order pool. The more shooting power you have in other slots, the less shooting power you need out of your Corps. Certain objectives favor Corps-heavy lists; certain objectives disfavor them. So on and so forth indefinitely: for every list that exists, a different Corps composition is optimal.)

Rebel Troopers have three meaningful options for their heavy weapon slot. In no particular order:
1. Nothing. Naked squads shouldn't be expected to meaningfully shoot anything, but they're points-efficient bodies for padding activations and playing objectives, and can throw the stray suppression or wound around now and then inbetween taking dodge actions. In this case, you have big threats in your list elsewhere, hence keeping the Corps light.
2. Z-6. Don't let the size dice pool fool you into thinking this is for Big Damage; the goal of this gun is fishing for one or two crits per shot. Crits bypass heavy cover, crits bypass dodge, crits bypass armor.
3. DLT-20a. These are from the upgrade kit, which makes them expensive (in USD) to run in mass. They're higher points cost than Z-6, but let you stand off at range 4 and are capable of actually rolling hits.
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>>85538679
It was at the end of Empire. The answer Billy Dee Williams gave for the reason was the head of wardrobe on the film. The wardrobe guy went "hey let's put Lando in Han's clothes at the end". Nobody in management (writer, director, producer) cared/said no so wardrobe made a set of Han clothes that fit Billy and gave it to him to wear for the shoot. So the wardrobe guy is the only one who can answer the question but hasn't.
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>>85539915
It's actually being showrunned by Tony Gilroy himself instead of a random no-name whose credits only include King Arthur and Transformers so it might be decent. I mean everyone here constantly jerks off Rogue One and cites that movie for their tabletop/miniature games and Andor is basically Rogue One: the series.
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>>85541624
>everyone here constantly jerks off Rogue One and cites that movie for their tabletop/miniature games
This is untrue. R1 was as divisive as any other nucanon thing on release and the only R1 units anons field with any consistency are Cassian/K2. And even then, most of the people using Cassian/K2 probably see them as piles of mechanics rather than beloved characters.
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>>85538727
>setting up Lando to take Han’s place
So Leia was due for some BBC?
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>>85541635
>and the only R1 units anons field with any consistency are Cassian/K2
>forgetting constant PF lists that pop up
R1 themed lists pop up with regularity on casual games, and jyn has seen use in competitive lists
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>>85541635
>R1 was as divisive as any other nucanon thing on release
The only people who shat on it back then and still do are RLM and even their fanboys give them shit for it.
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>>85541624
I did not like Rogue One. It was quite shallow and did not have anything to say. And people who say it's the best SW movie or SW thing ever are fucking delusional. Pretty visuals, but that's about it. I always thought I might as well play Battlefront, instead of watching that slog of a movie, that had no real characters or any interesting development. If I wanted a Star Wars War movie about common grunts, I'd rather watch Umbara arc, or something.
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>>85541715
>Pretty visuals, but that's about it.
>he doesnt know that a visual medium like movies have disproportionate scoring on visuals
next up: this bird sucks, it can fly good but thats all it can do

on /tg/ related matters, PFs rule
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>>85541679
If by "PF" you mean "Pathfinders" then Pathfinders aren't R1 originals. Pathfinders have been around since the WEG days.
>competitive lists
Most anons aren't tourneyfags, and if you're tourneyfagging, you're probably going to be picking mechanically min-maxed options over characters you personally like. And fucking nobody in /swg/ likes Jyn as a character, judging by the fact that she almost never shows up when anons post their Rebel lists.
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>>85538867
Mundi. He cares about the Wookies and burns bugs. In another time and another place, he and Grevious would have teamed up to repel the Huk off Kalee
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>>85538867
Luke, obviously.
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>>85541769
>If by "PF" you mean "Pathfinders" then Pathfinders aren't R1 originals
the legion PFs are very obviously the ones from rogue one, seeing as how they use the R1 headgear, pao, bistan, and use danger sense

>judging by the fact that she almost never shows up when anons post their Rebel lists.
R1 lists are some of the most common themed lists, run in spite of their niche purpose, people just think they are cool
jyn is not a competitive unit, but was brought to the tourney anyways just to see if it could be done because they thought the character was cool
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>>85541715
>did not have anything to say
Aside from a few minutes in Ep.II and Ep.III that vaguely implied that 9/11 was an inside job, none of the Star Wars movies really "had anything to say."

And that's fine. Better even. A straight-up adventure story that doesn't try to get preachy and political is that way to go if you want something that stands the test of time. Something with a message will appear out of date in a decade and comical in two decades.
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>>85541701
I am by no stretch of the imagination an RLMfag or an anal-retentive EUtist that reflexively caterwauls against anything with a Disney brand attached to it, but Rogue One, in spite of its dizzyingly gorgeous special effects and art design, is a positively terrible film, utterly indistinguishable in narrative, theme, and characterization from almost every other action-thriller-drama made 10 years prior to it. As an actual movie it's about as competent as the DOOM adaptation with The Rock and Karl urban, or The Dark Knight Rises, or Jurassic World Episode 937: Attack of the Fucking Grasshoppers. All style, no substance. Solo is a better film than Rogue One.
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>What about the Geth attack on Eden Prime?
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>>85541808
What about the Sneed attack on the Chuckiees?
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>>85541806
>All style, no substance.
>he doesnt know that in movies, style IS substance
why is there always this one guy so adamant on choosing to seethe about movies instead of talking about tiny plastic army men?
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>>85541806
>Solo is a better film than Rogue One.
My nigga.

I enjoy both of them more than any of the other nu-Wars material, but Solo was definitely better as a movie. The mentor/adversary dynamic between Han and Woody Harrelson's character was based.
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>>85541879
Solo is fine although the soundtrack is godtier underrated.
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>>85541793
The models' outfits and Pao/Bistan cards are R1 original, but the unit itself still traces its roots to WEG. R1 just dug up an old EU thing. Someone who hates R1 might still kitbash a non-R1 Pathfinder squad out of fondness for the old Rebel SpecForce Handbook.
>jyn is not a competitive unit
>seen use in competitive lists
She's competitive, then.
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>>85541958
>She's competitive, then.
not by a long shot
she is a fairly mediocre unit reliant on her danger sense gimmick

calling jyn competitive because she saw use in a competitive list is akin to calling the FD-turret a competitive unit because it too was in a competitive list
both were chosen as skew lists designed to dab on everyone else, not because they are great in and of themselves
same with pathfinders, a moderately useful unit reliant on gimmicks that is totally outshone by wookiees, but still sees very occasional use in tournaments by people who are confident in winning with under-powered lists
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>>85541879
As a real movie it's like a 6 or 7 at best, but that still places it heads and shoulders above the next best competitor Rogue One and lightyears ahead of the sequels (though distinctly inferior to Rebels, Mando, or BOBF), and of the films it's the closest in spirit and "feel" to real Star Wars, if you understand my meaning.

>>85541826
But anon, talking about the plastic army mans and chicken walkers and spaceships is 100% of the reason to care about Rogue One, discussing anything else is what leads to seethe
If you consider Rogue One a plotless vignette of disassociated action pieces, then it's far and away the best Star Wars content there is, unfortunately I need worthwhile stories and characters in my fiction, not brainless masturbatory errata.
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>>85542000
>But anon, talking about the plastic army mans and chicken walkers and spaceships is 100% of the reason to care about Rogue One,
>on traditional games thread
naturally

>If you consider Rogue One a plotless vignette of disassociated action pieces, then it's far and away the best Star Wars content there is
>movies cant just be visuals and audio for its own sake
>they need to be deep and philosophical
isnt there a /tv/ thread you should be seething on?
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>>85542013
>movies cant just be visuals and audio for its own sake
>they need to be deep and philosophical
Where the hell did you get that idea? I don't remember typing any such words. I keep putting those terms into ctrl+F but I can't find them in any other post but yours.
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>>85542027
>. I keep putting those terms into ctrl+F but I can't find them in any other post but yours.
>being this disingenuous
cant even enjoy talking about star wars boardgames without ultra-level "me hate new stuff" EU wankery
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Did you know space slugs have culture?

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Exogorth#cite_note-FACPOV-1
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>>85542046
>cant even enjoy talking about star wars boardgames without ultra-level "me hate new stuff" EU wankery
that is literally the exact opposite of what I am saying, kindly stop hallucinating strawman arguments that don't exist in your undying effort to be angry
I don't know how you can possibly construe "this poster is a maniacal EUfag with an anti-disney agenda" out of me saying "I love Rebels, Mandalorian, and Book of Boba Fett"
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>>85542063
>that is literally the exact opposite of what I am saying, kindly stop hallucinating strawman arguments that don't exist in your undying effort to be angry
>the last half-hour is nothing but "hate this movie"
>follows up with "no youre mad"
every single time
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>>85542072
>the last half-hour is nothing but "hate this movie"
I didn't say that though
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>>85541701
there was a lot of criticism about it, namely the first half doing little to make anyone really care about any of the main cast except Jynn and Andor, with K2 and Chirrut only being loved because they were played by Alan Tudeck and Donnie Yen respectively before killing literally everyone, the Vader dad joke and hallway scene being needless fanservice, and how it directly leading into ANH and the Tantive IV being at the battle and running away completely and utterly destroyed any ounce of plausible deniability Leia had when arguing with Vader that she knew nothing about the recent rebel attack and that she was on a diplomatic mission to coruscant. then you get into the ree'ing about how even the uber elite deathtroopers were getting rolled by rebels during the surprise attack, and the whole origin of the Rogue squadron identifier being something the good guys literally made up in like 2 seconds right before going off on their suicide mission when flight control at Yavin asked them their identifier

people here criticized it a lot, and even the supporters of the movie have admitted a lot of flaws it had
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>>85542091
the vader dad joke was absolute kino
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>>85542107
I agree. Besides, Vader cracks jokes in the OT too, and in similar contexts.
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>>85542091
I think Rogue One's main boost was timing, hit right as the hype was still good and before TLJ dropped. It's easy to leave TLJ thinking that maybe my complaints about RO weren't so bad.
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One thing is certain: Andor will create a whole new bunch of pretentious faggots shilling it as "adult star wars".
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>>85542134
worst part of the fandom imho tbqhwyf
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>>85542107
Ahsoka told him that joke, 100%.
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>>85542122
yeah, i'm willing to bet that was one of the big reasons why it's looked on as favorably as it is now.

hell, i liked RO, its probably one of my favorite pieces of media Disneywars has put out since they bought it, and easily my favorite movie of the 5, but even i'm in the camp of 'it had its issues, and really isn't groundbreaking stuff'. it's pretty much one of those generic ww2 movies where a plucky band of soldiers/airborne dudes link up with members of the french resistance to attack a german weapons project that if successful could spell doom for the Allies and successfully stop the weapon after 30 minutes of slapdash character building, but then the entire team dies in such a way that few could understand their sacrifice.

sure, that's pretty much the style the movie was going for afaik, but it really wasn't much outside of Krennic chewing the scenery and the actionporn final act with the introduction of a couple cool ships for good measure
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separatist invasion
>lose kalani
>lose spiders
>lose b2s
>can run 8 b1s
>opg your tank gets a free standby
This is a meme, right?
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>>85542213
>This is a meme, right?
the battle order commands are currently trash fires that dont seem properly balanced or properly thematic

the only one that makes thematic ssnese is echo base, but even that has a ludicrously OP command card
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>>85538143
I'm looking to start Legion and I'm torn between Empire or Shadow Collective. I like Maul the most but I like the generic Empire units overall more than the SC ones except maybe Super Commandos. I also like how many bounty hunters are available to Empire. There are other reasons why I keep flip-flopping so I was hoping some /swg/anons can give me an idea of what Maul SC plays like in comparison to a Commander Vader Empire list or double bounty hunter Empire.
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>>85541806
It's someone who got the script for the guns of Naverone and tried to make it the Magnificent 7. (not 7 Samurai.)
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>>85542496
Except Gregory Peck and Yul Brynner were still alive at the end of those movies
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>>85542506

I bet the original shoots had most of "the crew" survive.
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>>85542489
Its a good idea to double dip, since SC is mostly meant to supplement the four existing factions
Youll have a much easier time starting empire then assembling additional SCs after than vice versa

As for bounty hunters, empire is spoiled
They can run bossk and boba right now
Ig-88, ig-11, and din djarin will be able to hired as PMCs by imps when they come out

As for playstyle
>cvader is a mobile landmine who zones out the enemy
>double bounty hunter is all about alpha strike, bossk has range 4 suppressive and boba is speed 3 hit and run with good armor
No experience using maul-only lists though, but looks like you want to take hits with the mandos before using maul to eliminate high value units
Also of note: the bounty rule gets you a surprise victory when you nominate a squishy unit as the bounty
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>>85542519
according to Gareth Edwards, there were only two scripts, and of those, the one we got was the LESS edgy grimdark bleak one
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>>85542189
>it really wasn't much outside of Krennic chewing the scenery and the actionporn final act with the introduction of a couple cool ships for good measure
But, as you noted, that's all it needed to be. It's why I'd be happy to rewatch it at any time.
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>>85539588
Me too, brother.
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>>85539246
>B1
>Usefull for anything
A slave, as braindead as it can be, will always be smarter, quicker and even maybe tougher than those useless bolt buckets.
I could see a point in a toxic or radioactive environment but other than that...
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>>85542213

Counter-argument:
>Still have Dooku
>Still have Magnaguard
>Can drown opponent in dirt cheap corps

It isn't peak optimal CIS, but I'd say it is still perfectly viable (and arguably less oppressive than Ion Spider Spam). The box is brilliant for someone wanting to get into CIS, the only downside being having so many Droideka.
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>>85541624
>mean everyone here constantly jerks off Rogue One
Saying it's probably the best SW movie Disney has produced isn't the high praise you seem to think it is.
>and cites that movie for their tabletop/miniature games
Yeah, because they apparently blew their entire creative load on that movie when it came to good looking designs. U-wings are sexy, I didn't care as much for TIE Strikers but I'm pretty sure they were the jumping off point for Reapers so I'm fine with them, Deathtroopers look great, Krennic's outfit and blaster look great, Imperial Security Droids look great, ground crew armor looks great, shoretrooper is a silly designation but still looks great, tanktrooper looks cool, it's even got probably the best ayy design I've seen in the disney movies even if it's just literally my mouse's Kel Dor. The movie itself was confused mess of bad pacing, rushed plot, and flat characters, but it's like they threw in every single cool design idea they had and have been scraping the bottom of the barrel before and since.
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So who or what was Snoke even?
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>>85543652
A Söy product version of Krayt.
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>>85540506
Also, Twi'leks are only naked if they take off their headpanties.
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>>85540123
>docking port is blocked by the wing
Does the wing retract for docking? That'd be kinda cool, but the mounting's still gonna stick out and be a complete pain in the arse. I guess nobody really thinks about these things in the design room, but it still bothers me.
>>85542091
And there's the fact that the Death Star's weakness being deliberately engineered completely torpedoes one of the major themes of ANH just to explain a plot hole that wasn't a plot hole and didn't need to be explained.
>>85543606
It being considered the best NuWars film is more an indictment of its peers than proof of its own merits. Solo was better but it suffers from being a hastily refitted comedy film which felt the need to cram every possible element of Han's backstory into itself for no good reason, and Childish Landino was incredibly overrated and probably the most disappointing character I've ever had the displeasure of watching.
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>>85543699
>WEGfag has bad opinions
every single time
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>>85543699
>>85543705
I hate WEG because it introduced Imperial Army Troopers, who are cringe, yet it also introduced COMPNOR and ISB, who are BASED. I'm conflicted.
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>>85543717
The duality of man.
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>>85543717
>WEG creates an entire army corp that supposedly outnumbers stormtroopers by a massive degree because "muh elites shouldnt be fought at low levels"
>WEG also makes a level 0 TIE fighter that can be destroyed en masse
>the idea of making level 0 stormtroopers never occured

thankfully, legion avoided adding the imperial army, and has made stormtroopers the basic unit
and stormtrooper use is so ingrained that even if imperial army is added later down the line, they will only be niche units like fleets are
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>>85543747
>>WEG also makes a level 0 TIE fighter that can be destroyed en masse
What TIE variant is that?
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>>85543717
I sort of give WEG a bit of a pass when it comes to stuff they made up in the late-80s and early 90's because, essentially the franchise was just largely plastic toys, no new material and no one had actually sat down and had a good old fashioned hard think about just 'how' all the shit should work. To their credit, armed with basically fucking nothing, they did expand on the setting quite a lot enough to eventually come full circle to the point people have to accept is still vastly better than a whole lot of bullshit that's come since, for the beer n skittle budget they had at the time.

Sort of mixed on Army troopers, on one hand I can see uses for them outside the Stormie corps, but I can also see them being subsumed over time into the ST corps to present a cohesive front of Imperial oppressi... appearance
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>>85543773
literally just a TIE fighter with minion stats
no need to create "imperial volunteer flying corp" riding single-ion engine fighters
just weaker TIE fighters
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>>85543782
>riding single-ion engine

Because two engines strapped to an aluminium beach ball just isn't risky or more importantly, cheap enough
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>>85543775
Just from a 'parallels to history' point of view, it makes a lot of sense to have several competing branches of armed forces for a somewhat feudalistic totalitarian regime like the GE.
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>>85543782
>>85543810
Single engines are not acceptable. You need more thrust.
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>>85543825
Yeah its sort of one of those things which is 'totally empire' in terms of having half a dozen intelligence agencies that refuse to work together, a navy that actively fucks over its army, the ST corps are brutally incompetent but loyal, every faction has its own special forces regiments, because everyone else has them too and there's entire departments built around the stratagem of just being there to make sure no one does anything anti-imperial.
Then make the Moffs lords of their domain, but nothing else so they don't get together and start some shit!
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>>85543773
So there's the T.I.E, the TIE and the TIE/ln, the latter of which is the TIE you see in the films with the other two being earlier, shittier variants.
>>85543782
>TIE fighter with minion stats
That's FFG, not WEG. If you're gonna complain about the games then at least get them correct.
>>85543717
>>85543747
The Imperial Army was made to explain why the AT-ST pilots in RotJ weren't wearing Stormtrooper gear like the AT-AT pilots in ESB, and when the gear looks suspiciously similar to what the only army officer in the series was wearing there's a something going on there. Especially since when you see Stormtrooper officers in ANH they're wearing black uniforms rather than the olive-grey worn by Veers.
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>>85543865
>The Imperial Army was made to explain why the AT-ST pilots in RotJ weren't wearing Stormtrooper gear like the AT-AT pilots in ESB
Forest operations gear.
>Veers
He's just wearing Imperial officer field combat gear.
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>>85542242
>>85542213
The CIS box seems to have thrown up its hands and given up when it comes to theme. What battle is it supposed to represent? Even it doesn't know. And the command cards and restrictions are a meme - which would be fine if it was for theme's sake, like Echo Base, except again the CIS box has no clear theme.

On the flipside, it's easily the best battleforce in terms of value for money and unit coverage for new players or new CIS collections, and you can play it as standard listbuilding out the box if you decide you want to also buy Kalani or whatever.

>>85541983
Jyn is one of the small group of bad rebel units. She just doesn't.... do much, but then for some reason she has greedy command cards. On top of which they have mediocre effects. Kallus is just a better version of Jyn and he's still mid-tier.
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>>85542489
You might want to consider that Shadow Collective isn't expected to get any new units beyond what it has now.

SC Maul's main gimmicks are being tricksy. Three actions lets him fuck with objectives, his command cards remove his wounds and let him infiltrate, and with the darksaber he gains cunning. He can be a mobile beatstick, but he's fragile, and plays abusing line of sight until he can pounce - high damage output, but he's a scalpel. Commander Vader is more of a commander, he wants to walk up with the troops, using his melee threat to dissuade enemy melee units and then jumping an enemy who wanders too close. Operative Vader plays closer to the mobile beatstick that Maul can be, but with more tankiness and command cards that are more directly about diving in and killing things, with master of the force to let him abuse force upgrades - making him more of a hammer.

Both factions can run multiple types of lists. SC gunlines are very defensively oriented. Empire gunlines are more offensive, and lean very heavily into suppression. Empire of course has access to armor-heavy lists and strong vehicle guns, SC vehicles are more disruption-oriented and tend to dive into the enemy. SC has Mandalorians, which Empire has no real parallel to. Empire has a much wider library of units to choose from, and will continue to get more over time, while SC is a closed ecosystem.
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>>85538960
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https://shop.asmodee.fr/sw-l%c3%a9gion-5-outer-rim-terrain-pack-ffswl105
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>>85542908
Brigitte get off 4chan, you have state budget to spend in meaningless shit without oversight!
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planning on pitting a one-off prototype weapon as a boss for my party
>6x missiles
>2x armor-piercing triple-laser turrets

should i try to stat the thing out and let them play demolition derby against it with a hijacked vehicle?
or try and play it as more of a puzzle boss where they defeat it via explosives on the tracks and they are more worried about staying alive and distracting its drivers than engaging it directly?
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Periodic reminder that this is the amount of line of sight blocking terrain your tables should have for balanced games. Gencon tables edition.
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>>85544670
another reminder is to not spam heavy cover on eveything you can place

makes critical keyword way too strong
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>>85544670
clowned cropping, somehow

>>85544677
very true, and a common problem, though a better problem to have than insufficient LoS blocking
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>>85543833
And solar panels. For every engine you need MINIMUM two solar panels.
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>>85543775
>Imperial Leia
I HAVE TO COOM
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Who did it better?
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>>85545017
Naked baitpost, but though the OT design is both better on the merits on top of being the incomparable classic, I do like the (TLJ) FO design for what it is. (The TFA iteration I'm not so keen on.)
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>>85545017
Clones.
Stromtroopers look lame and not intimidating in the slightest. The only good Stromtrooper design is the Snowtrooper variant from ESB.
The ST iPhone Ducktroopers are a joke.
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>>85545042
There's a difference between TFA and TLJ troopers?
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>>85541983
>>85544105
Yeah, I'd say Jyn's issues are power creep and not knowing her role.
Her melee power is middling, not helped by her average mobility after taking advantage of infiltrate. Her shooting is kind of inferior compared to other Rebel Heroes. Unlike her closest comparisons Lando and Cassian she does not have a command card that turns her into a combat threat like Crack Shot and Ace Up His Sleeve does.
Even Complete the Mission which was her best card is now just sort of bad since Cassian's Volunteer Mission is straight-up better.
That's an issue with Legion. Heroes live and die by either their Command Cards or their Stat blocks, and normalfags tend to rely even more on their CCs than jedi.
At least now Jyn is pretty cheap, so she can supplement a Herohammer with Cassian, Sabine or Lando nicely, though she still has to contend with the Generic Rebel Officer on that.
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>>85545101
Yea, they sharpened the angles on the face and brought back some of the OT design elements, plus used a darker black. It's not apparent in this image, but the TLJ design also makes a straight diagonal line from chin to forehead, whereas the TFA helmet has more of a sideways V-shaped face panel with a more bulbous chin and forehead.
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>>85545101
No, it's just more Rian Johnson apologia.
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>>85545164
I love Rian Johnson though. Thanks to him we got
>Supremacy
>TIE Silencer
>Snoke fucking dead
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>>85543717
>Galactic Empire
>No army except for "special forces"
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>>85545266
>Stormtroopers
>special forces
>when literally everything implies they're standard infantry, and even police
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>>85545148
Don't agree that you can say Jyn suffers from power creep. She wasn't good when she came out, either, and she's still not good now despite being one of the most cost-dropped cards in the game (130 to currently 90).

You can put Jyn side-by-side with Leia, who came out way earlier, and Leia absolutely dominates the comparison. Jack of all trades characters do struggle in Legion, in general - but Jyn in particular struggles to be even that. Her melee is poor (only one dice better than Leia's!), her shooting is average (somewhat better then Leia's, but not hugely so), and her support ability is dubious (courage 3 is cool, but quick thinking is bad*). On top of which, her 2/3 pips are supportive (a "jack of all trades" but 2 of her commands are support oriented?) but just blatantly worse than Leia's; and her 1 pip is selfish but way worse* than Leia's 1 pip and amounts to just one extra, probably unmodified, 4 dice attack with no good modifiers. And she released at one hundred and thirty points(!), closing in on the price of cLuke! Her only claim to fame is having high as fuck danger sense and maybe a particular niche in lists that intend to suppress themselves to oblivion.

* the reasons why these are "bad" would be a whole separate side discussion
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>>85545266
>literally a corp choice
even in just the OT
they do basic crap like guard duty, traffic duty, stopping every old man about their droids, knocking on doors, checking on bars

they were never depicted as super-special forces
and even if they were, there would be no reason for them to dress different

>>85545301
its funny you use leia as a comparison choice when most people actually consider jyn better than her in practice and she didnt drop off as hard as leia did when generic officer was released
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>>85545337
Leia has come roaring back since then, however, on top of being cheaper (now by 10 points, which essentially buys vigilance and scanner. But by fully 40! points on Jyn's launch.)
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>>85545298
They could be like Party Brownshirts, or Ministry of the Interior paramilitary types.
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>>85545248
>TIE Silencer
absolutely awful
>Snoke fucking dead
yeah, kinda sucked but RJ is a hack so what do you expect?
>Supremacy
Yeah, the only thing from that movie that was not completely awful was that design
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>>85545301
>one extra, probably unmodified, 4 dice attack with no good modifiers.

Reading this again, I should've worded it as "with no good keywords". Four black without anything like pierce or impact, on top of which she probably won't have an aim for the CC swing. Its biggest upside is getting her into a protective melee, which is just doubling down on her durability vs ranged attacks as her only standout trait.

Second only maybe to flyers (airspeeder/laat), she's the most systemically over-estimated unit FFG ever designed. Would love to know what their playtesters were saying, it's hard to not assume she had some gamebreaking keyword or mechanic that got removed at the last minute.
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>>85545383
You know the reason the Nazis bothered with that shit is because they had an Army that wasn't very loyal to their ideology, so they had to make one from disarmed soldiers from the past war and veterans. The Empire built the Army from scratch during the Clone Wars, there's no reason for a Wehrmacht/Waffen-SS divide when the non-Imperial soldiers would amount to some shitty planetary security forces that are basically rent a cops.
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>>85545159
Still looks like a duck
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>>85545409
So maybe the Imperial Army is what these planetary defense forces got morphed into, while the Stormtrooper Corps is what the GAR used to be.
I don't really know if we even have any canon or nucanon sources on this early Imp era stuff.

pic vaguely related to Imp ground forces
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>>85545674
The visual dictionary for Solo states that those greenish Mudtroopers you see Han Solo a member of on Mimban and the Stormtroopers dispersed unevenly among them are technically the same organization. The Stormtroopers are a part of the Imperial Army, the only difference is the equipment. The Mudtrooper/Imperial Army trooper armor is a stopgap made to gear up recruits in the post-CW interim before they can manufacture enough Stormtrooper outfits. As more Stormtrooper armor becomes available, it replaces Army armor, and the "Army" ceases to exist as they all become stormtroopers.
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>>85545674
>>85545722
How do First Order Troopers fit into all of this?
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>>85545794
rebs have this
imps have the space-MH6 to airdrop vader
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>>85545805
Right, but there's pretty clear space carved out for CIS gunships. It's the only programming card we don't have a matching unit for, and I want my beam cannon
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>>85545722
>the “Army” ceases to exist as they all become stormtroopers
I think that Army Troopers are more like auxiliaries and/or just the bare minimum when it comes to Imperial defenses.
>Stormtroopers = securing important installations, frontline army, well-funded (or as funded as can be)
>Army Troopers = used on backwater worlds, local security, used for support, absolute bare-minimum quality
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>>85545878
Nah, the way it's described is that stormtroopers BECOME the army, they are the bare minimum bumpkin rentacops you send to garrison a planet otherwise you're basically just sending AT-ST pilots without the AT-ST and that ain't happening
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>>85539056
I don't give a fuck if it's run by Lucas himself. NuWars killed such an amazing amount of goodwill that getting invested in it is a mug's game.

>>85541624
Also, ask yourself how many decent things current Lucasfilms makes compared to every mediocre or ass-backwards retarded thing they put out.
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>>85545772
First Order Troopers became the main backbone of Sloane’s Imperial Remnant when they reorganized in the Unknown Regions sometime post-Jakku. Every other Imperial Remnant that chose armistice with the Galactic Republic could keep their army troopers, but had to disband their stormtroopers.
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Anyone hear anything about Armada?
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>>85545301
Yeah I should have been clearer.
It's her command cards that got power-crept hard. Her 2-pip and 3-pip were nice on release (though not enough to justify her statline) and her 1-pip came from a time when Vader and Luke were the only units getting an extra attack per round with their CCs.
As was said before her main problem is not knowing what she is.
>bad melee
>okay shooting
>powercrept support CCs
She is the definition of Jack-of-trades, master of none. Though her courage, Nimble and Danger Sense makes her pretty tanky to her credit, and infiltrate is great for some objectives.
>>85545406
They overestimated the value of Infiltrate and possibly Danger Sense. You can see it with Pathfinders too until they finally got it right by the time they released Iden, Cassian and ISF.
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>>85539056
>serious, grounded
Its Star Wars, it’ll just be edgy Rebel Alliance cells and heroic “Imperial” becoming a rebel versus cartoonishly evil Empire.
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>>85545794
I agree
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>>85546141
this looks absolutely horrible. what on earth is star wars union?
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>>85546150
the comic about Luke and Mara's wedding.
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>>85545406
>. Would love to know what their playtesters were saying, it's hard to not assume she had some gamebreaking keyword or mechanic that got removed at the last minute.
Apparently play testers had a bunch of requirements that made the playtest environment really artifical

Like always being forced to fill upgrade slots and being forced to use heavies
Which led to overvalueing comms and anti-tank slots
Although regarding last minute nerfs, the CM vet trooper was confirmed to have suppressive that was too broken and removed without point adjustment which is why vets were so bad on release
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>>85546141
>those faces
Is this some artist’s cruel joke? I bet he got paid first and then submitted this.
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>>85546141
>The EU, now *that* was kino and soul!
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>>85546141
>unused cover.
No wonder.
>>85546150
Pic related sorta stuff and more.
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>>85546175
One of the big pushes under X-Wing 2.0 was to separate design and balance into two separate playtesting cycles. Sounds like Legion really would've benefited from the same, situations like that shouldn't be allowed to happen if you want people to actually buy and use your product.

One of the things I worry about under AMG is that they seem much more blasé about balance, and have hinted that they might not bother to re-balance units after they've been released.
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>>85545248
>super star destroyer but WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE
>garbage
>who fuckin cares
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>>85545248
Thanks to Rian Johnson we got
>2 1/2 hours of nothing.
Honestly the worst thing about Rian Johnson is that morons blame him for fucking up the Sequel Trilogy when really JJ Abrams is much more responsible for it.
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>>85545653
who asked
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>>85545997
They also made it work better with Padme.
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>>85545924
I doubt there were any Army Troopers by the time of Endor.
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>>85546354
>Wearing a headwrap
>holding a detonator
Hmmm
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>>85546196
There are """people""" who believe this unironically
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>>85546141
Jesus and every fucking thing that is holy. That is fucking terrifying in every biological, aesthetic and geometric way.
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>>85546354
>>85546369
They got it mixed up with the Butlerian Jihad.
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>>85546175
>Apparently play testers had a bunch of requirements that made the playtest environment really artifical
>Like always being forced to fill upgrade slots and being forced to use heavies

Was this a systematic thing or just a one time test? FFG liked to do specific stress tests, where they would give instructions like "take the maximum possible activation cost" or "take as much X" as possible, to find balance issues that wouldn't be obvious from normal play.
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>>85546359
Pic related is from “the wook”, but I’m sure there were army troopers still operating around Endor.

I know you probably have your bias against the very concept of army troopers, which is understandable, just wanted to talk about them some more.
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>>85546902
>NuCanon saves the dumb idea of Army Troopers
Another reason why its fucking retarded.
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>>85547076
>he hates army troopers
Confirmed shit taste.
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>>85547128
they're okay and all but they really weren't that spectacular an addition to star wars, they're scarcely more interesting than the Victory class Star Destroyer
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>player want to play a farmer boy
>he can't use the force
>is way over his head as a bounty hunter
>older veteran bounty hunters treat him like shit and use him as a carry boy for their gear and weapons
>when no one is looking he trains himself in using them
>other players still treats him like shit, one of them acts like he doesn't know what the kid is up up.
>farmer boy sick of the players shit plays the long game, waiting for them to fuck up and be weak for a bounty hunt
>players are low HP, farmer boy see it has his chance and and goes on a rant about how they have been treating him like shit, he roll for the opening shots
>fuck up his roll and missis
>teammates turn, all of them don't fuck up their rolls and gun him down
he planned this in 4 months
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>>85548025
To be fair, that sorta half assed turn coat action was to be expected from a mere farm boy.
Props for him for having the balls though.
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>>85539056
>is heroes that act like villains, villains motivated by heroic impulses, and zero humor, we’ll see
Holy shit, it's like all the other failing shit hollywood has been cranking out last decade, i'm excited
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>>85539588
Molest me, mommy!
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>>85548271
That's like the exact opposite of what people say about Marvel (cartoon villains, nonstop quips), and Marvel is very nearly synonymous with the last 10 years of Hollywood.

The era of gritty reboots (what I think you're complaining about?) might have *peaked* ten years ago. Its heyday would've been what, around 2008-2013 or so? With the tail end maybe around 2017? But, by that point we were deep into the era of MCU dominance.
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>>85541796
Going by the George Lucas interviews, he actually attempted to go with a "GW Bush is going to turn the US into a dictatorship" message, which worked out neither in the movies nor real life.
I wouldn't be surprised if he made the sequels in the 2010s he'd just have done some weird trump derangement syndrome movie.
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>>85545409
US Army vs Crayon eaters then.
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>>85548425
He said that, but every political instinct in George's body was put there when he was in his 20s, during the Vietnam War under Nixon. Bush and Iraq, but filtered through the lens of Nixon and 'Nam.
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>>85548371
The point i'm focusing on is
>Hero is doing villain stuff
and
>Villain is just misunderstood
Which is very much what Marvel has been doing as well.
Quips and bright colours aren't enough when the actual content is actually dark (consider the body horror of being Wandas mindcontrolled slave for an undeterminate amount of time to the point she controls your breathing - and watching your children suffering like this too, etc. pp.)
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>>85548622
I exited MoM after about 8 lines of dialog, so I can't speak to what happens in that movie. But for every Marvel Thanos, there's six Marvel series whose villain's personality is as complex as "wants to take over the world".
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>>85548622
They've also been trying to do more "dark and mature" MCU shit ever since Civil War
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>>85546141
why
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>>85546141
Looks like 70 year old Luke marrying his fifth wife in Vegas
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>>85543652
Who the fuck cares. I don't think even Lucasfilm know at this point.
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>>85546141
It honestly took me a few seconds to realize there are no zombies on this cover.
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>>85548696
Friendly reminder that Age of Ultron is the only movie in the franchise when the whole team is together and you know, actually being a team
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>>85548787
And it's a terrible piece of shit.
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>>85539324
I support gatekeeping measures newfag
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>>85539324
And so do your politicians and policeforce.
Watcha gonna do about eeeet?
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>>85545159
Stormtrooper helmet: globohomo edition
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>>85546347
I don't know anyone who blames him for it more than they do Jar Jar.
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>>85539086
What you forget is that the average age of 4channers back then was 12-14.
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>>85546347
>>85546347
Look at it this way: EP7 was a bad start, but things were salvageable
EP8 was just going "lolno"
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>>85549892
Posts like this prove you have no idea what you're talking about.

Every bad thing about the sequels was set up in TFA. Every aspect of TLJ that *could* have gone somewhere was "lolno"-ed, in your words, by RoS.
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>>85545017
TLJ/TRoS first order stormies, honestly

whoever decided to pinch the jowls on the mouth line better have gotten a raise honestly
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>>85549931
this

JJ's biggest accomplishment as a director is somehow tricking every peabrained moron on the planet into thinking TFA was anything but a soulless ANH rehash
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>>85546141
It's clear he can draw well, why are the faces so shockingly off-model? Was this a practical joke?
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>>85546208
>”doesn’t want to dress like the father of the groom”
>dressmaker has no idea what she means
I had a chuckle at that.

And the dress that is two cups for the breasts and a bow tie on the groin, too.
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>>85546141
Hermano!
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>>85550044
Don't forget that TFA came up with Luke being a hermit who abandoned his friends after his attempted new jedi order completely failed, and Han being a divorced and washed up trucker who lost the Falcon and then dies for nothing
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>>85550167
>>85550044
>>85549931
I don't want to defend TFA with specious apologetics about how it had "potential" because that dogshit screenplay really didn't, with or without JJ Abrams to turn it into a samey brainless capeshit movie, but I will maintain that the sequel trilogy could have been salvaged by a competent director. Instead, Rian Johnson proved himself an even worse helmsman for Star Wars by maliciously and spitefully tanking the series beyond all hope of recovery, just so he can get his name in the history books as "The Man Who Killed Star Wars". That crime will always be worse than JJ Abrams' forays into mental retardation and his half-baked damage control Ep. 9.
JJ Abrams stabbed Star Wars because he was an ignorant boob, Rian Johnson twisted the knife to tear apart the internal organs and ensure no doctor could ever save the patient.
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>>85546141
They one they went with was better, but not by too much.
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>>85550235
So when they reissued it to tie in with the prequels, they drew a completely different cover.
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>>85550235
compared to that initial painting, that cover is a Delacroix
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>>85550221
>abloobloobloo he killed luke he ruined the franchise forever!!1!
don't reply to my post bitch
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>>85550235
>Leia looks like she'S being held by Han against her will
>bel Iblis or whoever that is looks stoned AF
>Lando cosplays as his evil twin brother who makes a living sellign 14 year old Twi'lek girls
>bride and groom are not actually Mara and Luke, for some reason they hired body doubles
what the actual fuck.

But yeah, the other one is even worse.

>>85550248
Is that a Gone with the Wind crossover?
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>>85546141
>65 year old Luke marries cocktail waitress

I think its the fake tan that's the scariest
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>>85550221
There's nothing to be said except that this is just catastrophically, utterly wrong. But it's clear that you're so emotionally invested in a narrative that you're not thinking with reason anyways.
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>>85550526
thats the real reason Mark Hamill hates Trump, he's eternally ass-ravaged by the deranged artist who drew him looking like that
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>>85550526
No fake tan has an effect that profound. Luke looks like he's been dousing the reactor at Chernobyl butt-naked.
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>>85550549
Great chance to reinvent himself though

>the force is not paying the bills
>2nd hand speeder sales Han, that's where the money is!
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>>85546141
>THE FORCE GHOST OF GEORGE FLOYD
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>>85550608
And Yoda, who looks like he's watching 12 year old girls undress.
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>>85550589
Twin-Suns Brand, new cadmium and bacon fat enriched best nemoidian-express tan
Space Ric Flair approved!
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>>85550248
Dios mio.
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>>85549931
>u just dumb
Thank you for your eloquent argument.
I'm sure debating with you is well worth my time.
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>>85546141
Jesus. Obi-wan looks like he doesn't want to be there.
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>85547907
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Hello /SWG/

Today I painted Count Dooku!
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>>85551651
Looks pretty good, anon. Nice job.
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>>85551651
His lightsaber looks like horse dick.
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>>85551651
Nice looking Dooku.
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>>85551651
Flocking is a little on the bright side for my tastes, but the paint looks spectacular
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>>85540341
I agree with you and the others who disagree are just anti jarjar.
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>>85550235
>We couldn't get Billy Dee Williams, so we got 1980's Rick James on cocaine instead
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>>85552898
>that face
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>>85553026
Yeah, taht pic looks like it should be a 'Don't do glitterstim' ad.
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>>85538679
Han is a smuggler, why would his clothes be unique?
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Anyone got that "thinking man's suicide note" A-Wing screencap? i need it for a thing and can't find it
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>>85553846
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>>85553955
Thanks!
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>>85538679
IIRC in legends Lando did have a thing for "borrowing" other peoples clothes if they are fancy enough. It is heavily hinted that when Mara Jade and Lando went out looking for clues about Jorj Car'das he kept nicking her capes.
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>>85553955
So the A-Wing is a NR/Rebel TIE?
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>>85553987
No. TIEs can actually turn.
The A-wing just goes fast. I'm pretty sure they only added shields so that it could survive minor space debris impacts at even higher speeds.
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>>85546141
Beware that, when fighting Palpatine, you yourself do not become Palpatine.
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>>85546354

Padme is such an annoying unit to play against.

Yet clone babies still cry about GAR being too weak,
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>>85554896
An auto include that gives the faction somewhat of their schtick back.
She's a crutch more than anything I'd argue.
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>>85554159
>TIEs can actually turn
Not in atmosphere, kek.
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>>85554159
There was a part of one novel, I think X-wing Bacta War, where one of the Rogues sees a bunch of A-wing pilots in a bar. So he asks what they’re doing there, because usually when A-wings are on patrol they blast through the system so fast they never stop to say hello. The A-wing Captain explains that one of their fighters got hit by a micrometeorite and they have to get it fixed, because otherwise if they try to fly it, it will explode.

The X-wing pilot nods, mentions that the X-wing has a safety damper system where if that does happen, it does something like cutting out the problematic engine for safety purposes and lets you keep flying, hyperspace, and so on, which means the X-wing is probably better in this scenario because you can limp back to base or continue patrol, or stay in the fight.

Every single A-wing pilot, on hearing about this sensible safety feature, literally looks at him like he is a crazy person and says “but the X-wing is SLOW!”

And the funniest fucking part of the whole thing is that it means those giant engines A-wings have? No safety features. It isn’t even a meme. It really is strapping yourself to a rocket and praying.
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>>85538602
What is the benefit of getting upset at jokes on the internet?
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>>85539086
>people posted loli and shota in 2003 so that means its okay!!!
>It was wrong then
If it was wrong, why did the site rules allow it
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Top 7 (I believe due to a drop from the top 8) playing today. Don't have lists yet, but Shadow Collective is out in force, and I think neither CIS or Republic are represented.
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>>85551651
"Double the file size, half the image quality."
- Count Dooku, Attack of the Clones
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Was it ever explained what the super speed in the phantom menace was?
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>>85555271
>Was it ever explained what the super speed in the phantom menace was?
Yes: it was super speed.
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>>85555110
>SC out un force
Well it's the shiny new stuff and Pyke gunlines are looking pretty hard to counter from what I see.
>No GAR or CIS
Weird. Though iirc LSO last month Top 8 had 3 Imps, 2 SC, 2 GAR and 1 CIS so if Rebels are better represented at Gencon it might mean the game has reached good faction balance. We'll see.
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>>85554951

she wont survive with triple staps
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>>85555110
>CIS metamancers jumped ship
Color me surprised.
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>>85555343
>it might mean the game has reached good faction balance.
I think that just before the release of SC, the game was the best balanced it has ever been. Not totally free of issues, no game ever is, but the best balance Legion's had. Need to give SC some time for people to adapt, it might or might not be strong enough to be a problem.

>>85555364
Don't have faction breakdowns for swiss, yet - not making top 8 doesn't mean they didn't show, just that if they did, they didn't win.

I did hear that there were virtually no spider droids in attendance, despite being not just the CIS flavor of the month but also considered the meta boogeyman.
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>>85555380
Just seemed a little off considering how dominant CIS has been at previous events.
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>>85555435
players were no match for the droideka
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>>85555110
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>>85555047
Dale Earnheardt Sr approved
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>>85555694
>Saw Guerrera proxy
Huh. I thought AMG was supposed to be pretty strict about having the right mini for the right character. I wonder what he is being played as
>That poor Rebel Trooper deep into enemy lines trying to 1v1 Maul
That's brave of him if nothing else.
>>85555380
Well Pyke Disruptors supposedly counter Spiders hard, so the boogeyman had its own boogeyman to worry about.
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>>85555937
>range 4, impact 1
i am being bombarded by PTSD from wave 1, when everyone ran the DLT
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>>85555893
>>85555047
It's pic related, Corran is the X-wing pilot. It summarises everything that ever needs to be known about A-wings and their pilots in about two pages.

>explain to them that going faster doesn't mean they're flying better
>confused_a-wing_noises.jpg
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Gencon top 7 was 3 Shadow Collective, 3 Rebel, 1 Empire.

Moving into top 4 are 2 Rebel, 1 SC, 1 Empire. SC played a mirror in top7, so one was guaranteed out. Empire had the bye, so was guaranteed in.
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>>85538867
Mundi and Koon > Yoda and Windu
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>>85539246
While manufacturing simple labor droids is cheap, you have to look at the star wars galaxy with warhammer 40000 lenses in this instance. The galaxy is already overloaded with available labor to enslave. Countless trillions of people to be scooped up and put to work immediately.
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>>85550248
Luke looks like Meat Loaf.
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>>85550235
Is that Garm Bel Iblis? Suppose it was when writers still remembered he existed.
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>>85556364
>rebels back in business
they didnt make the top 8 last time, but now they got into the top 4
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>>85556730
Luke and Wookies are really good vs Pykes, it seems.
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>>85556647
Talon Karrde.
He is here as Mara's replacement dad. You know, since Palps couldn't make it.
>>85556730
From the pictures anon posted, I think we can thank OP Luke and DLT rebel troopers for that.
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Which is the best armored ship? None of the pussy shield shit.
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>>85556963
Well shit, armored Voyager looks like a Nubian ship.
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'Luv CR-90s
'Luv Gargantuans
'Luv DP-20s
' Luv Garm
'ate Chandrila
'ate tyrants
'ate Vong
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>>85556765
I'd imagine a lot of high velocity would help against their token piles, surprised to see so little CIS or snipers.
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*beep beep*
The party bus is here! When you're in an RPG, what do your players fly around the galaxy? Do they get around without their own starship?
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>>85557406
You can't stack high velocity throughout a list, snipers don't do enough damage to solve the problem all their own, and they lose a huge amount of their efficiency to danger sense.
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>>85555110
Is Shadow Collective out because it's new or is it really good?
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>>85558149
Seems like both. We'll need to see a few more events, so the meta has time to account for SC in their listbuilding, to know for sure. We've already seen evolution in what a "good" SC list looks like, so things are still pretty fluid.
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>>85558181
What does a good SC list look like?
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So, about those Lost Twenty and fallen Jedi in general. It was always weird to me how is this even possible. You have some Jedi leaving the Order and even falling to the Dark Side and most of the Jedi Order doesn't seem to care much. Why wouldn't you send a Jedi after the defective student to try to bring him back to the light? I am pretty sure they can sense them. Do they just wait until they all start their evil Empire and only then they react?
Why did Jedi Order even let Dooku go? Why didn't Luke Skywalker sent anyone after Desaan? Why nobody bothered to talk some sense into Kylo Ren (although ST is retarded in general)?
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>>85557023
>>85556963
>Captain, how long do I need to wear this body paint?
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>>85558324
The good pieces seem to be, in no order: Maul, Pykes with Capo and their Disruptor, Black Sun with Video and the Mag-Det, the AA5, command-slot Capos and Vigos, and either bounty hunter.
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>>85558357
Because it was their choice. The Jedi respect the choice of others. If someone wants to leave, they let them leave. Why should they send anyone?
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>>85558357
>Why nobody bothered to talk some sense into Kylo Ren (although ST is retarded in general)?

What, just like ring up the First Order capital ship and ask somebody to put Ben on the line? Yeah, the Ben who just murdered all the other jedi trainees, that's the one.
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>>85538867
plo koon is underrated
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Is there any SW games or rulesets for smaller skirmishes rather than the Legion system? Legion doesn't much appeal to me and I would rather just use some third party models for smaller scale scenarios.
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>>85558584
There's Imperial Assault, but that's the only recent thing.
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>>85558357
First, the Lost Twenty are Jedi Masters, not Knights. They’re named that because only twenty Masters ever left the Order. An unspecified number of Knights, Padawans, or whoever have left, but only ever twenty Masters.

>Why wouldn't you send a Jedi after the defective student to try to bring him back to the light?
They will send Jedi after a fallen Jedi, if they can. A Jedi wanting to quit the Order is not inherently defective.

>Why did Jedi Order even let Dooku go?
They don’t force people to stay in the Order. He wanted to leave, and chose to leave. So he left. You seem to be under the impression that it’s a draft, or conscription, or that they’re kept there against their will. This is never the case: if somebody wants to leave, then they will be allowed to leave.

>Why didn't Luke Skywalker sent anyone after Desaan?
He did, but Desann went underground, joined up with the Empire, and then came back with his schemes. It’s a big galaxy, and Luke only has maybe a dozen Jedi Knights, perhaps two dozen at most, at that point. And that’s when he is struggling to turn them out fast enough to keep up with the demand for them as peacekeepers.

>Why nobody bothered to talk some sense into Kylo Ren (although ST is retarded in general)?
You answered your own question.
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>>85558603
Any third party rulesets that could be adapted to it?
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>>85558619
Outside my area of expertise, but there are more model-agnostic, skirmish-level rulesets than stars in the night sky.
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>>85558619
Not sure if it's what you are asking but iirc some people have made a free community project to make balanced custom Imperial Assault cards and third party rules for use as a smaller scale SW themed wargame.
Never tried it so I don't know how good it is:
https://ia-continuityproject.com/about-the-project/
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>>85558357
No one thought Dooku was actually going to go full Sith.
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>Preparing to start up an Imperial game with my group
>They all beg to play aliens again though I said I'd prefer if they were humans/droids/maybe a trandoshan because it's the fucking empire
I have never run a game with a human in it.
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>>85558973
Have you tried getting them to play near-humans? Take it in degrees.
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>>85559005
One of them is a Chiss which is about as close as I'll ever get lol. One of them threw a fit because they wanted to be a fucking hutt and I said no.
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>>85558973
Could always just be speciest to them. Whenever their Duty level tops out, instead of a reward, just have them get a "Good job" once they get to Major and their career stalls. Make rewards things that are subtly keeping them away from more influential Imperials. If a commander isn't outright dismissive of them, they can be coddling and patronising until they leave.

Alternatively, pull a Palpatine with Thrawn: encourage or force them to subjugate their own people. Constantly test their loyalty. Have their likely inevitably defection be anticipated years in advance, because they were always suspected they wouldn't support the New Order and it's core ideology.

Finally, have a friendly human NPC be get more credit and gradually rewarded more than them, eventually going from assistant to superior. Have them be continually friendly and supportive, but more and more evoking the kind of patronising of other officers, even if they still are fond of their teammates. Could even seem to be willing to assist their inevitable defection, but rat them out because they feel betrayed by their faith in the PC's loyalty.

Probably won't help your problem, but hey, they're at least ways you can stick to your guns without breaking immersion.
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>>85558973
Many species supported the Empire, not just the trandos, and most others had no strong loyalty either way. I see no issue with an all-alien Imperial party unless it's made up of wookies and mon-calamaris.
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>>85559153
>Chiss (wanted to be a Hutt)
>Wookiee (wanted to be an Ewok)
>Quarren
>Gungan
I'm probably just going to run it as something like the Dirty Dozen
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>>85558973
Tell them to play fucking humans or else they can run their own goddamn game.

Players are like toddlers, anon, if you don't discipline them sometimes they'll be cunts forever and wear you down until you don't even enjoy DMing anymore. If they still refuse and you still want to run the game for some reason despite your players being inconsiderate shits, do as >>85559083 suggests and have *zero* fucking mercy on them. They should be subject to constant sneering disdain from superiors and peers. Every attempt to seek promotion and advantage should be undermined and frustrated. Every success they achieve should be appropriated by human officers, every failure should be magnified and see them disproportionately and unfairly punished. Don't be subtle about it, fucking *ruin* them, and every time they dare to complain point out that you are running a 100% setting-accurate game and everything they're experiencing is completely their own fault for failing to agree to your one, perfectly reasonable request that they just play fucking humans for once.
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>>85559222
With that species lineup, I would guess the type of game they want to play and the type of game you want to run differ in far more ways than you're letting on.
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>>85559222
Outside of Gungans and Chiss, none of those are Imperial loyalists.
>>85559153
Why would Muuns be running around with guns and shit? I feel like races chosen should be very tied down to the lore. If someone wants to run a Hutt Rebel Commando, I would tell them to fuck off.
>>85559232
This.
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>>85559222
i'd probably just get better friends
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>>85558973
Why would I want to play a human when tabletop is damn near the only thing that lets me play an ayy and probably the only thing where playing one is more than a cosmetic change.

That said, I could vibe with being a human or droid for the sake of an Imperial game, though I'd probably want to be something uniquely Star Wars like a crusty clone vet way past his prime or a Mando who sided with the Empire because he thinks clanners are fucking retards living in the past or something. What's wrong with playing a pro-Empire ayy though?
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>>85559251
They're my normalfag friends who wanted to try a game and asked to be Imperial despite choosing those aliens lol. I feel like showing them the page of FFG officially supported species was a mistake as opposed to just showing them the species in the core book because it makes people act like a kid in a candy shop picking random species.
I told them to come up with a backstory that at least tenuously explains why the fuck they're fighting for the empire and warned them that they'd be treated like shit so that we were all on the same page which they agreed to so hopefully the game won't immediately implode.
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>>85559232
>>85559083
>>85558973
people that sperg out about playing a human in a fantasy game are the niggerest niggers playing RPGs today.
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>>85559298
don't ever introduce a normalfaggot to an RPG, they'll just get off on ruining it.
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>>85558424
I see
How common are the mercs in the other armies?
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>>85559324
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>>85559252
>Why would Muuns be running around with guns and shit?
They could be a Muun down on their luck only exiled from their clan trying to set up a sweet racket using connections they're establishing via military service. You know, the classic Military to Lockheed-Martin pipeline. You could even name him Lok Heedmar.
>Hutt Rebel Commando
Also doable. A young, rebellious Hutt decides to go all in with investing in the Rebellion because they think the Empire isn't going to win this and having the new galactic government owe them favors seems like a really good idea. The rest of their family disavows them and denies them access to the family funds in order to stay neutral, forcing the Hutt to have to personally earn those eventual favors.

While I'm fine with you not wanting to deal with the implied baggage certain aliens can bring or wanting a more "vanilla" run, you're also showing a profound lack of imagination.
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>>85559429
All of that is just cope when they could just play appropriate species for the era and setting. If you want to make your character interesting by giving him some weird species that doesn't fit his role, guess what, he isn't. Some of the most interesting characters my players have gone through have been pretty generic human guys in appearance. Its the character that's important and the lore, not having a cool species picked from a candy shop.
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Dumb rulelet question
Would Palpatine still be able to use Pulling the Strings on Mercs if he has Underworld Connections?
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>>85559429
>Mary Sue The Hutt
very cool anon, thank you
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>>85559367
I honestly don't know; check lists at gencon whenever those are made public, I guess.

>>85559491
He doesn't even need underworld connections, mercenaries are friendly units.
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>>85559527
But mercenaries can only be issued orders from within their affiliation unless you have Underworld connections, right?
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>>85559487
>muh cope!
This is what I get for trying to engage a human-only fag in good faith.
>>85559502
There was a whole clan of Hutts in canon that ran around on mechanical spider legs and got into bare knuckle brawls with their sick gains. Hell, Hutt lore is that they used to personally murder things by personal force all the time. Mary Sue the Hutt would be if they still had access to all the Hutt connections despite committing the taboo of picking a side.
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>>85559556
Yeah. But pulling the strings isn't an order, it's an ability.
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>>85559566
you are coping though.
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>>85559583
K.
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What would he have done if the CIS won?
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>>85559429
A Hutt could also, while young, be reminded of when the Hutts were a serious military power rather than primarily economic. Fighting Xim the Despot, the Tionese wars, saving the galaxy etc. - there’s plenty of glorious warrior history there for a Hutt interested in living as his ancestors did.
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>>85559035
>they wanted to be a fucking hutt
based
why didnt you let him play a hutt
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>>85559491
Sheev can pull the strings on any trooper in your list. He can even do it on Dark Troopers since they're classed as Trooper units.
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>>85559566
>>85559607
For the record I'm the guy running the group and those anons weren't me
I've known all the players way longer than I ever played games so I'm sure we'll still have a good time regardless just hanging out since both me and them came to the compromise of the party being expendable Imperial black ops cannon fodder.
Just found it funny/mildly irritating that after two previous all-alien campaigns that the new group was going for all weird aliens, even though I did try to entice them by saying that they could play loyalist mandalorians/middle aged clones/droids/loyalist aliens.
>>85559680
I've said no to hutts in all my games because someone always inevitably finds out they're playable and asks me to be a hutt but I don't want to shape the entire campaign to be ADA compliant with ramps everywhere and no speeder bikes and shit
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>>85559660
Continue Jedi hunting since the religion probably would have been outlawed under Separatist/Dooku rule.
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>>85559660
genocide huks
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>>85559695
Give the hutt spiderlegs or a floating chair
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>>85559367
Not really seeing much use because typically faction-exclusive goodstuff is better than Merc goodstuff. Only proven use case is Black Sun in Empire for close-range shenanigans, but Blizzard Force is so good that it's not gonna continue.
I think some Rebel lists are running Pykes at gencon so we might see some more going forward.
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>>85559760
>Ladders
>Tight spaces
>Having to cram into a Skipray or something
>starting with 500 credits
>sneaking pretty much anywhere
>can't drive or ride in 90% of vehicles
I'm not going to hamper the fun of my other players just so someone can be an epic slug
I'd say yes to an all-hutt party but that hasn't happened yet
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>>85559660
I have a hard time imagining a CIS victory when the principal figures behind it didn't want it to win.
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>>85559822
Palpatine set it up for the Republic to win, but I would absolutely not doubt that there were also contingency plans for if they needed to have the CIS win instead.
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>>85559660
>Jedi declared as war criminals and Instigators and still hunted down.
>Discriminate more against human species rather than the opposite way round.
>Continue the economic monopolies of each CIS member as a way of maintaining Galactic Control via the tight control of trade and technology.
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>>85560037
>Discriminate more against human species rather than the opposite way round
Absolutely idiotic. Humans outnumber all the aliens in the galaxy combined, any government will need to appease the humans if it intends to survive.
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>>85560242
More slaves for the economic powerhouse of the CIS then. Some can be appeased, but much like the Wookies, others have to be punished to make a point
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>>85559907
>contingency plans for if they needed to have the CIS win instead.
Dooku cope
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New thread: >>85538143
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>>85560603
bravo retard
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>>85560659
>>85560659
>>85560659
New
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>>85540072

And the fact that they were married like less than two weeks later?



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