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Dorn, the Builder edition

>Previous Heresy: >>85524944

『Horus Heresy』
>Official Website
https://thehorusheresy.com/
>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Started
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#the-horus-heresy
https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/#the-horus-heresy
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
>Thread FAQ (suggestion)
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Warhammer_Tactics/30k
>Rules and supplements
https://ufile.io/n1rnwpfd
https://ufile.io/w5m4adie
>Fluff
folder/yM1yWIba#ETw9ELPJmEScSrM9Wwj
>Black Books
folder/s9xQ3CiA#9a594y1utfRGxKLxiIy2aQ/folder/QkpUCIhK

『Adeptus Titanicus』
>Rules and supplements
/folder/s9xQ3CiA#9a594y1utfRGxKLxiIy2aQ/folder/p5YjXaLL
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics
>homemade missions:
https://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html

>>HH Liber Astartes.pdf
>https://ufile.io/7nagbp1r
>>HH Liber Hereticus.pdf
>https://ufile.io/yx1ng65z
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SW can't catch a break.
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reposting question

>>85533108
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>>85533119
Have all your basics in bealie helms and all ypur artifact armour with the faction specific ones
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>>85533117
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>>85533119
Mix is best imo, including armour marks amongst a squad
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>>85531654 #
Based and objectively correct. In the same vein, IW and DG in anything but MkIII is wrong.
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WOULD IT BE WRONG WOULD IT BE RIGHT
IF I TOOK MY LIFE TONIGHT
CHANCES ARE THAT I MIGHT
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>Wolf skull helmets are okay
>Wolf head helmets somehow ain't
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>>85533208
the ear vents are adorable
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>>85533234
No those are trash too.
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>>85533173
>mk6 part - correct
>mk3 part - lol, lmao
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>>85533245
>thing bad because youtube man says so
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>>85533173
To be fair im starting a nightlords army to use my beakies rather than adding them to my bitter boys.
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What about furry titans?
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>>85533234
>>85533255
>baits this hard
kek, go to /lgbt/ you can get more (you)s than here
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>>85533223
How so? he still has his more I = more attacks thing and he wounds everything on 2+.
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>>85533237
But why would they need extra ventilation on their head?
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>>85533117
>Fast forward, upgrade is released
>some faggot on reddit instantly buys several kits just to make "haters" seeth.
>He also makes a preemptive strike by revealing he's a big gay so anyone who disagrees with him is automatically homophobic
>new SW heads become an icon of resistance agianst nazis and chuds
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>>85533245
I'm not reading all that.
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>>85533369
he says:
>SW range sucks
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>>85533369
Nobody is reading anything outer circle has to say.
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>>85533392
What/who is outer circle?
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>>85533266
>oh no he insulted my spiritual liege
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report from last thread:

how are legion arquitors? and which weapon would best fit them? I am planning on using them in the IW ironfire rite of war.
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>>85533411
7 inch blasts sound cool at least
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>>85533421
at least I will have something at 7 inches i guess
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>>85533401
/ourguy/
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>>85533401
A GW bad outrage youtuber. The El Paso shooter was a fan of his.
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>>85533117
I can't get over how the helmets look from the front. They look like they are laughing like Beavis and Butthead
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>>85533208
At least the ear vents have a gothic arch shape to them. Maybe the heads can be used on Adeptus Titanicus models for an AT scale space wolf themed Imperial Knight.
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>>85533234
das rite. Skulls are edgy and cool. Normal heads just bring up the repressed furry thought in sw players
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>>85533444
the real problem is the furry porn smile that can't be unseen. There's no way to fix that.
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>>85533433
No
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>>85533454
>There's no way to fix that
Greenstuff
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>>85533403
>strawmans to get (you)s
whore
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>>85533477
>y...you know guys, they can akshuly work
rope yourself
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>>85533411
>how are legion arquitors?
Bad, but so is artillery in general so...

The grav bombard is kinda interesting.
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>>85533277
Problem with Fulgrim is that he's literally the only Primarch who has no ID due to special rule or strenght, no brutal, and has no good Murderous Strike being just 5+. Literally everyone has one (or most or all) of the following but no Fulgrim. He was also gutted buffwise as well (having one of the most useless rules in the game pretending to be something) and at the moment there's literally no reason to take him imho. And I find it hillarious that he has no Skill Unmatched.
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Whats the difference, visually, between a standard marine and a sons of horus reaver? Is it just the color pattern or do they use a special pattern of armor?
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>>85533411
IWfags should finally understand that the days of Ironfire are over and that they should move to different RoW.
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Is Marduk Sedras good and worth taking?
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>>85533579
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>>85533411
Trash unless you want mobile Phosphex. Also >>85533552 is a fag who hasn't been on the receiving end of 3 Whirlwinds and 3 quads

Iron Fire is still good but you're locked into using rocket artillery to kill marines since bug guns are only useful for ID and vehicles
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>>85533102
Is there a way for EC Cataphractii Terminators to get deep strike? Played a game against EC last night and only lost because he placed his terminators behind me and killed all my shit. Probably should've called him out on it but he was pretty insistent his guys could arrive from reserves like that so I wasn't sure
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>>85533600
>Is there a way for EC Cataphractii Terminators to get deep strike?
No, they are not Imperial Fists, sorry. Post models btw.
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>>85533591
and the rapiers?
was planning on something like

>3 rapiers
>2 arquitors
>2 units of tacs on rhino
>a big unit of tacs on spartan
>5-10 tyrants with a siege breaker
>2 iron circles and a warsmith for some punch
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>>85533600
Did he bring a warmonger? If not then you got played.
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>>85533579
I wouldn't take him normally however he's seems to be quite good at wrecking SoH termies because not only his sword is S9 meaning they won't hide behind that -1S but also it lowers invuls by -1 so Cataphractifags are 5++ instead of 4++. And his PE starting aura is really good.
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>>85533616
>>3 rapiers
Solid
>>2 arquitors
Bad, get whirlwinds
>>2 units of tacs on rhino
Solid
>>a big unit of tacs on spartan
If you are using mk6 I will hit you.
>>5-10 tyrants with a siege breaker
10 should kill everything that isn't a leviathan, but remmeber you are fucking terminators. Ride the Spartan so you have extra survivability and may actually make mellee
>>2 iron circles and a warsmith for some punch
2 is bad, a contemptor will absolutely kill one Of you and then probbably not die from the lone brobots return swing.

Go for 4 or leave them at home.
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Remove titanishit. It doesn't contribute and has no right to piggyback on /hhg/. Fucking do it, you know I'm right and keeping it in the OP and topic is wrong.
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>>85533600
>"he placed his terminators behind me"
is perfectly fine if he was using shit like Maru Skara that allows outflank, you might have confused DS with arriving from reserves by flanking assault.
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>>85533616
They're nice with Pinning and shred, IMO none of the shell options are worth it. I just take Phosphex for area denial

Idk what your plan for the Warsmith is but I'm never sure about footslogging mine
>I don't run iron circle
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>>85533641
>tyrants
>melee
Bait.
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>>85533591
>on the receiving end of 3 Whirlwinds and 3 quads
so terrifying.
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>>85533641
>says big unit of tacticals in a spartan are legit
>says Tyrants may make melee
>says to take even more Iron Circle
faggot stop cosplaying as a gamer, it's jsut embarassing
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>>85533641
>If you are using mk6 I will hit you.
come get me. at least I am converting the helmets to reduce the number of beakies

>10 should kill everything that isn't a leviathan, but remmeber you are fucking terminators. Ride the Spartan so you have extra survivability and may actually make mellee

wouldn't riding the spartan with the tyrants reduce the shooting powers of them? they would probably lose 1 turn at the least, and is it woth it to send them in a fight?
Anyway I was considering two units of 5 to deal with multiple targets. But I will try your idea in a match, it might work anyway

>2 is bad, a contemptor will absolutely kill one Of you and then probbably not die from the lone brobots return swing.

I have purchased 2 for now, 85 euros each is really hurting me....
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>>85533644
It was only an 800 pt game tho so no RoW and his warlord was a psyker. I think he just didn't know the rules well; he said he wanted to take a full squad of dreadnoughts but he couldn't figure out how to do it at 800 pts
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>>85533654
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>>85533433
This.
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>>85533671
>85 euros
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>>85533117
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is this head scoopity poop or poopity scoop?
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>>85533694
It's poopity poop.
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>>85533695
close up
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>>85533698
Meant for >>85533695
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>>85533488
Oh no, that's not what i meant. Just saying that any time someone says "can't be fixed", the answer is greenstuff.
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>>85533695
>Mocked relentlessly for this heads
>Probably didn't sell well at all
>HEY I KNOW GUYS LET'S TRY SELLING THEM AGAIN
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What's a good price for all 40 AoD beakies on ebay?
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>>85533752
Sold mine for 16-20€/10
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>>85533674
>he didn't know the rules
lmao so do you, you deserved it
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>>85533693
>Ironyong
lmao I died
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>>85533234
These are the best FW Space Wolves sculpts and they are still sitting on the bad/mediocre boundary.
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>>85533641
>10 should kill everything that isn't a leviathan, but remmeber you are fucking terminators. Ride the Spartan so you have extra survivability and may actually make mellee
>Iron Circle...Go for 4 or leave them at home
Retard do you even play this game? Nothing what you say makes any sense.
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How chaosy is too chaosy for late heresy nightlords?
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>>85533823
do hwatever you want anon, NL are shit meme anyway.
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>>85533823
Remove the spikes and teeth, then use (30k) NL heads and shoulderpads. That should do it.
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>>85533693
can you give me his link
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>>85533823
We already told you, NL raptors got claw feet at worst, and even dudes in bed with daemons like the Painted Count weren't really warped.

So shut the fuck up and get the mkIV assault squad + NL heads if you don't like the FW raptors kit.
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>>85533823
>unironicaly wanting to use these shit models
kek
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>>85533928
Some "people" will go to any length to not work with le scawwy resin
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>>85533711
Is greenstuff really the dynamite solution to these models?
Granted I've never used greenstuff but plan on trying to give a miniature a tabard and "hood collar" around the head.
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>>85532994
>>85533035

I can see those guys being great can openers, even with twin fists they're not much more expensive than normal power fist terminators. Run them with Dark Brethren, get that weapon skill up to 5 or even 6. Failing that just deep strike them in and try to crack as many tanks on the DS charge as possible.
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>>85534019
With greenstuff you can do anything you want
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>>85533117
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>>85533768
I'm trying the same, but it's just not selling. Maybe the entire lot of 40 is too much, guess i'll take it down and split it.
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>>85533119
With Tacticals, I would have one upgrade piece per three models (excluding Sergeant). So in a full 20-man squad, 6-7 marines will have a helmet or torso upgrade.

Veterans will get a helmet and torso upgrade each.
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>>85533579
Yeah he's pretty good, especially if you're playing an Eskaton force, which it seems like most DA players are saying they will.
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THE YIFFING OF PROSPERO
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>>85534518
godlike
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dubskis are there any tutorials online for turning greenstuff into the cables of mk V armor? i wanna convert my beakies into mk V, the studs are easy but its the cabling on the thighs thatll be a problem since i have never used green stuff
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>>85534518
MORE
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>>85533234
Newfriend, those were mocked to hell and back when THEY were released.
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>>85534641
You buy/print roller plates.
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>>85533234
What confuses me the most about Deathsworn is that the fur on THESE guys is absolutely fine. Nothing wrong with the sculpting.
Yet the varangyr fur looks like absolute shit.
Like... what the fuck happened? Deathsworn fur doesn't look like fucking bananas.
With a helmet swap Deathsworn are fine models
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>>85534518
> A WEAPON TO SURPASS METAL GEAR
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>>85533117
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>>85534692
Not nearly as much as everything else FW released for SW.
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How are mortus poisoners?
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>>85534827
>it's not literally the worst thing to ever exist
>therefore it's good
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Ah, so THAT'S why they don't get along with GK's....
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>>85534873
Why not post the original one?
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>>85534836
Yes.
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What are you running your artificer praetor with for a squad?
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>>85534963
JUSTaerin
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>>85534963
Non-Termie unit in a Land Raider, i guess? That's be viable for UM Suzerains, IF Templars, EC Palatines and other such units
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>>85534828
Rad
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>>85534963
Thallax, because I'm a cool dude
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>>85534828
Literally no reason to play them.
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>>85534828
Rip. I guess they are Heavy type Mortalis Destroyers with a chem flamer instead of two chem pistols, but that's it.
Or, they are Tactical Support squads with Heavy type taken as Elites instead of troops
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>>85534518
Alright :^)
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I don't hate the helmets, per se
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>>85534799
I made a loud cackle
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>>85533102
this is definitely a boomer question but does anyone still have access to the HH audiobooks? I remember there being a link out there on one of these threads to all of them.

Regardless, does anyone have any recommendations on where to start?
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>>85535877
Start at the beginning, go to the end, and then stop.
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>>85535877
I recommend you don't read them.
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>>85536024
anon asked for audiobooks, he clearly intends to listen to them
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>>85535877
yM1yWIba#ETw9ELPJmEScSrM9WwjRCw
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>>85536024
Very cringe. ALL publications in all mediums are essential parts of the hobby.
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>>85536094
Prove it.
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>>85536094
Every Macca vid is canon confirmed. Outer Circle chads we just can't stop WINNING
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>>85536094
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>>85536094
>c.s. goto is canon now
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>>85536094
>very cringe

Brother, I don't think you know what cringe is.
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>>85536094
Tell me you're desperate wannabe author without telling me you're a desperate wannabe author
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>>85536094
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>>85534828

Only edge over regular DG destroyer squads is Heavy typing, your average twin chem-handflamer destroyer is twice as shooty and only slightly more likely to melt himself, plus the chainsword is free.
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>>85536104
>>85536130
>>85536162
>>85536177
>>85536219
>>85536240
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>>85536094
This is what secondaries actually belive.
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>>85534933
I maintain a regularly updated folder of this furry porn artists patreon content.
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>>85536070
Yes and? What if next he asks how to molest young boys without being caught?
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>>85534025
And how the fuck are you going to put them in a Dark Brethren WB list you dumbass?
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>>85536177
Always has been.
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>>85534377
>muh Eskaton
I don't know if it's some new meme or poser playlets that will never roll dice think it's "kino" but this is trash RoW and it filters out retards all right.
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>>85535877
>have any recommendations on where to start
Take Black Books it's all you need.
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>85536162
>85536177
>85536219
>85536240
>85536282
>85536130
>some sameposter posting low entry /pol/ shit on my hobby board
>bait so poor you don't even deserve a
(You)

>>85536312
I feel insulted by such dull and futile attempts at outrage.
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>>85536568
>can't even reply properly
what the fuck is wrong with you?
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>>85536554
all newfags getting into DA are taking either eskaton or the deathwing one. no exceptions
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>>85536537
Multilasers have always been dogshit on anything that has them. Maybe on T3 infantry they'll finally have a use.
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>>85536312
>no argument
>>85536568
>squidjak poster
Not a good look, BL fags.
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>>85536599
>all newfags fishing for (you)s are declaring they will either play eskaton or the deathwing one which they'll never will. no exceptions
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>>85536177
If anything, he's more canon than the models
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>>85536633
yes
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Looking to get into the game with the new edition and I'm trying to pick a legion.
Narrowed it down, more or less, to either Thous Sons or Death Guard, anybody have some quick pros and cons about either one?
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>>85536554
It creates a nice setpiece, even if the rules aren't great. That makes it kino.
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>>85536644
>BL tranny desperately defends the "lore" because it's all he has
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>>85536666
>setpiece
>kino
what are you even talking about?
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>>85536526

I'm not, I'm going to bring a Mechanicum primary detachment and then ally a Delegatus, his 20 Despoiler or Assault Marine friends and a Mhara Gal or two. The Dark Brethren buff can be applied to any of your units, Sworn Brothers or no Sworn Brothers.
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>>85536616
>always
I'm ok with my 2e 60" range S6 Dmg. D4, AP-1, Sustained Fire 3 multilasers with +1 to hit at short range.
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>>85536662
TS
pros
>cool colour scheme
>good special units
>good arcana rules
>good special characters and equipments
cons
>psychic checks will fuck you over sooner or later
>arcana are cool but they require psychic checks and that will fuck you over

DG
pros
>amazing LA making you the best shooty "mobile" infantry Legion in the game
>good RoWs that capitalize either on your firepower or fucking your opponent 's army over with terrain rules to which you are immune
>cool equipment, warlord traits,awesome special characters (including Mort)
cons
>lots of get's hot rolls
>Deathsround is just bad
>can play anything but if you're not spamming heavy shooty infantry yoo feel bad
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>>85536736
>good special units
I have to admit, Khenetai are starting to grow on me this edition. They seem like the best 3+ blender in the game, hands down.
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>>85536700
Not him but those flying Thallax are bad and I don't know why you are so excited about them. 4+ T5 is easier to take down than 3+ T4.
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>>85536765
weird way of spelling dark furies bro
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>>85536765
>They seem like the best 3+ blender in the game, hands down
Yeah, they are great but keep in mind that they require 2 psychic tests to make the most of their shit and that's not really great. You'd probably need a Warlord with Master WT nearby and I'm not sure if they're worth that much attention.
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>>85536792
weird way of spelling palatine blades bro
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>>85536796
Aren't they ld9? Don't have the book at hand because posting from work rn but I'm pretty sure the sarge is.
>>85536792
Enlighten me.
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>>85536312
Indeed
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>>85536822
shocking, if true
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>>85536807
>Aren't they ld9?
Sgt is, but
>he might die
>ld9 is good but it's not ld10
>plenty of negative Ld modifiers that will make casting a risky prospect
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>>85536870
>ld9 is good but it's not ld10
I mean with that kind of argument you can just about dismiss any unit.
>he might die
This is the major weakpoint of every TSon army because at that point you lose the arcana anyway.
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Anon who suggested Effrit Squad for the AL exemplary unit:
I previously never liked your idea, but I noticed one major battlefield role the legion doesn't have is a special retinue, and a light, shooty retinue would be p cool. Now I kinda like the idea.
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>>85536901
>I mean with that kind of argument you can just about dismiss any unit.
I know but in TS case it matters very much. Loss of higher Ld = more chance to Peril = losing more dudes by your own hand. It might look like strawman but TS got the short end of the stick with how their rules are written this edition.
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>>85536939
It's not his idea it's a concept as old as Book3 and speculation that followed about future units.
>one major battlefield role the legion doesn't have is a special retinue
retinue is not a battlefield role
>and a light, shooty retinue would be p cool
Headhunters, Recons, Vets.
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>esoterist can take an archaeotech pistol
>which then competes with void darts and its 12 deflagrating shots
Is there any circumstance where you'd even want to use the archaeotech pistol while Void Darts exists? I could see it with a lower shot count, but 1 MC Rending shot doesn't even compare.
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>>85537068
>Is there any circumstance where you'd even want to use the archaeotech pistol while Void Darts exists?
If you're using the new SoH praetor with it as an esoterist for wysiwyg purposes
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>UM Moritat
>Two disintegrator pistols
>Logos Lectora reroll stance
I have become death, destroyer of worlds until I roll double 1s on my first shot like I always do
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>>85537129
Chainfire hits cannot be rerolled, source Moritat rules
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>>85537134
Who says I'm chain attacking?
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>>85537152
>Centurion: 60 pts
>Moritat: +40 pts
>2x Disintegration pistols: +2 x 20 pts
I really do not believe you are spending 180 pts for two Dis shots.
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>>85537195
>60+40+40=180
You a Space Wolves player or something?
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>>85537195
I've done dumber
Hell I should make one with two boarding shields
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>>85537216
Sorry i was thinking about something else entirely. But yeah 145 pts for 2 shots. Is that wise, commander?
>>85537243
Nooo. Aww rip HH1.0 loadouts. They were silly, but also varied. And combat shields weren't irrelevant
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>>85537243
You laugh, but you can put a vigil storm shield on a moritat now.

He won't get the two weapon bonus attack in CC, but he can still shoot all his guns somehow.
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>>85537387
Frankly, that's exactly the kind of autistic shit Rogal would approve. A Moritat would attempt to kit up, and Rogal would grimace at him until he sheepishly picks up a shield and sword.
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>>85537483
I like to imagine he fires his disintegrators on the far side of it to get the 3++ against AP2 gets hot.
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>>85537387
Wait, I can give him THREE boarding shields AND a combat shield!
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are the red volkite guys still around?
I want to show them something
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>>85537736
...You. I do not care for you.
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>>85537195
Do double disintegrator moritats fuck up terminators pretty hard? Seems like it'd be alright on a cursory glance.
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>>85537736
Never heard of you
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Would a converted Black Templars Castellan work for an Iron Warriors Esoterist? It's a pretty decent model.
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>>85536094
Black Library books are trash with no exceptions. Don't be a nuWarhammer faggot and read Warhammer books, but instead read other books and use those as inspiration for Warhammer ideas. That's one of the problems with the nuwriters. Their inspiration is Warhammer (and poorly written, at that).
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>>85537125
Indeed. I feel it's a bit of a shame not to take all the potential consul-specific upgrades, even if they're suboptimal.
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>>85537921
this made me chuckle
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>>85537483
>haha so heckin cute and funny
fuck off to b&c fistfaggot
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>>85537976
>Black Library books are trash with no exceptions
i think some are aight desu but i havent liked a single HH one
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>>85537921
Absolutely, but keep in mind he's about the same size as the plastic praetors.
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>>85537983
Not sure why because it's a genuine question. The bulkiness of the model is pretty nice, and I like the axe and pose, really. I'd have to cut away some templar shit and add some things but overall I personally think it could work.

Also, second question: do the studs have to be on the left side of the Mk VI? I don't really see any resources about it because everything focuses on the other marks, so I'm also genuinely curious about that.
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>>85537976
>Black Library books are trash with no exceptions
You're such a mindless retard. Most of them are hot stinking garbage but to say that all of them are shit is a peak of sweaty, fat faggot (that is you).
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>>85537483
Holy shit, you stupid fucking faggot parasocial nigger. Rogal Dorn isn't your friend and just because he's horribly written like everything else in the shitty publications doesn't mean you should make it even worse by writing even shittier fan-fiction of fan-fiction. I think I legitimately got a tumor reading this.
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>>85537978
>wasting good helmet
lol
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>>85537978
Same energy.
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>>85538030
He probably enjoys IF gay fanfiction and all that deviantart homoerotic art where HH characters are cute, awkward have reddish noses and blush like faggots.
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>>85537978
No matter what people will do, this model is piece of shit.
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>>85536792
>>85536806
>>85536807
They are good but Companions are the best.
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>>85538011
Studs are on the left side with production mkVI because that's the side that was most likely to take damage and needed heavier armor, but from various other models, mostly mkIV and mkV, we see them on either or both sides. The studs are an easy way to produce replacement pieces or affect quick repairs to damaged armor and can be used wherever you feel is appropriate. The more you have - and the more they're not limited to the left pauldron - the more battleworn and ramshackle the model will appear.
Replacing the studded pad would be perfectly fine. If a better constructed part is available, why wouldn't it be used?
Swapping the studded pad to the right would be unorthodox and hard to justify, but not impossible. I can see some marines disregarding practicality and putting the normal pauldron on the left so their heraldry is more visible to the enemy.
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>>85537387
>You laugh, but you can put a vigil storm shield on a moritat now.
I think IF should be quarantined by principle. Amount of OP rules they get is literally Wardian and signal should be sent that such thing should not be tolerated.
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>>85538124
>Studs are on the left side with production mkVI because that's the side that was most likely to take damage and needed heavier armor, but from various other models, mostly mkIV and mkV, we see them on either or both sides. The studs are an easy way to produce replacement pieces or affect quick repairs to damaged armor and can be used wherever you feel is appropriate.
This is just retarded. I know it's actual fluff but it's just retarded and that's it.
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Fuck, I hate what they did with challanges. No wounds spillover is a shity, cancerous mechanics and shitting up "chosen warriors" on lots of units doesn't help either.
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>>85538030
you will never be a woman
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>>85538178
>Fuck, I hate what they did with challanges. No wounds spillover is a shity, cancerous mechanics
That's how challenges have been forever, including whfb.
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>>85538211
>That's how challenges have been forever
newfags never stop to be amusing
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>>85538073
nah, it works as a WS stormseer, just like the other is a low key EC praetor.
Pay attention to the details.
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What's the story of your dudes?

What did they do during the Siege?
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>>85537781
Half of your 2/3 wounds of your 5/6 hits of every shot will be saved. That's 5/18 unsaved wounds per shot, or causing 10/18 W per shot (because instant death)
Meanwhile, shooting wounds you 2/18 of the time.
Hammer Cataphractii cost 25 per wound (175+5*15)
Double Disintegration Moritats cost 145. On foot and with no blade. That's 72.5 per wound
Shooting a disintegration pistol will get you 10/18 * 25 at a cost of 2/18 * 72.5
So, 13.88 - 8.05 = 5.84
Shooting a disintegration pistol earns you +5.84 pts
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>>85538211
>That's how challenges have been forever, including whfb.
lmao no? It's enough to open old rulebook(s) to check out?
>whfb
Irrelevant
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>>85538269
Are you going to ask about it every thread? are you retarded?
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>>85538323
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>>85538323
>How dare you ask people about their models in /hhg/
Actually fucking kill yourself
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>>85538178
I hate brutal much more.
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>>85538333
>>85538339
(you)
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>>85538323
You will never have a playgroup
You will never paint your army
You will never be a woman
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>>85538127
A funny example of these weird double standards for some legions is The Lion himself. He has a plasma pistol, it is described as such in fluff and crunch, but it gets to benefit from the Stormwing rule just because.
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>>85538323
Yeah this thread is for getting super fucking butt blasted at people asking rules questions. No fluff allowed.
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>>85538127
I don't know if you joke or not but this is a policy I took and I have no regrets. I do it without malice just explain that playing against IF is not an experience I enjoy and strangely people accept that (2 players actually).
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>>85537736
>didn't have the balls to actually commit to something radically different and instead half-assed it
Classic Night Lords
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>>85538402
You don't play the game.
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>>85538323
Literally everything wrong with this general in one post.
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>>85538393
>Model with BS6 getting literally useless +1 to hit that prevents him and his unit using other -wing bonus
>double standards and undfair
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>>85538471
It gives him an exceptionally shitty version of twin linked.
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>>85538393
>>85538429
>unironicaly comparing slew of OP shit IF got to Lion's +1 to hit with his plasma
Lmao, it's great to discover that antiDA seether is also IF fagglet.
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>>85538471
It doesn't prevent him from using anything, no one is taking Stormwing to buff his pistol. It's just a pointless, unsupportable buff he doesn't need because some legions get to enjoy everything at once while others have to pick and choose their gimmicks. Why is this thread so aggressive and stupid today? Fuck off.
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>>85538502
Take your meds, schizo
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>>85538524
There's some weird, overly aggressive spazz who doomscrolls the general during American work hours.
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>>85538524
HAve you even checked how Hexagramaton rules work anon? Do you realize that only one -wing trait works at the time and you can't stack -wing traits regardless how many different -wing models are in the unit? Also you bringing up that one thing when every IF model gets +1 to hit with Bolt and Auto weapons is a perfect example of fucking retarded hypocrisy and it's you who should fuck off.
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>>85538524
>Why is this thread so aggressive and stupid today
>says the faggot who started sperging about Lion's gun
lmao
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>>85538619
Literally nobody is saying Lion getting stormwing is on the same tier as IF, they're saying it's yet another stupid exception in the rules.

You would see that if you weren't so fucking anal annihilated over a game you don't play.
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>>85538524
>It doesn't prevent him from using anything
Yes, it does, you have to choose Hexagrammaton sub-type bonus at the start of the turn, meaning that if you take Stormwing for the (useless) +1 to hit with your gun, both Lion and his unit can't benefit from anything else other that +1 to hit with Lion's plasma and/or +1 to hit with bolt pistols and bolters on the unit he has joined.
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>>85538011
>Not sure why because it's a genuine question
>BT
>Psyker
ik it wont be a BT but the thought alone is very funny to me
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>>85538652
>brings up Lion's gun as a smokescreen counter argument
>doesn't know how rules work
>"n...no one said it was the same and you don't play"
Just shut the fuck up and go to sleep
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>>85538725
>smokescreen counter argument
nigger are you serious
Are the IF conspirators gangstalking you? Am I one of them? Is everyone who calls you a schizo secretly wearing yellow?
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>>85538744
lamo, schizo deflect all you like, no more (you)s from me
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>>85533440
The weirdest thing is that in profile they're the best wolf-head helmets GW has made in at least the last 25 years. And yet straight on they're irredeemably horrendous. I think GW just needs to shelve the idea entirely.
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>>85538871
Please, I beg you, go seek help. Standing on your soapbox and yelling in this thread like the insane homelessman you will inevitably become is not helping your situation.
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>>85538127
>>85538393
It's always interesting that when times when IF are called out on being OP there's always someone who instantly goes with "oh, yeah? check out DA".
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>>85538393
Compared to what IF got Legion wide and how ridiculously buffed Dorn was no Legion has anything close. I don't know why you even find a problem with lion's plasma because it is literally insignificant and, as others pointed out, it's a worthless trap-buff.
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>>85538971
>>85538930
>Post count didn't go up for either of these
Figures the schizo is DA samefaggot
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>>85539018
>post count didn't go up
holy fuck are invisble posts a new feature on 4chan?
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Is it already seethe o'clock again?
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>>85539049
This is /hhg/, it's always seethe o'clock here.
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>>85539049
It's always Iron Warriors hour
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Ignore schizos, post models
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>>85539049
Just got here, what are the schizo's seething about this time?
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Working on my warlord, is it overkill?
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>>85539251
Stormwing lets the Lion's plasma shooty get +1 to hit. Some claim this is near worthless, because he has BS6. Other recognize it as being nearly as powerful as the IF's entire LA trait.

Also the Space Wolves have ugly hats.
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Why is BL nerfing traitors at Siege of Terra so bad?
>has Lorgar and 95% of Word Bearers not take part
>Has alpha legion drop out
>paltry force of night lords is barely led and no curze in sight
>iron warriors drop out
>mortarion gets banished to the warp
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>>85539322
That's all? Bloody hell that's pathetic, and not even in a funny way.

Wake me up when they're talking about something at least a little meaningful.
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>>85533102
Space Wolves suck btw
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>>85539353
Alpha Legion never left, Alpharius is with Grammaticus & co and is going to meet the Emperor.
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>>85539257
I like the idea but it's probably a little too much chain overall.
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>>85539353
Legio Mortis, on the other hand, appears to be doing just fine. Their plot armor is even stronger than IF storm shields.
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>>85539226
good use of the DG dread
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>>85539353
Nobody actually cares about SoT anon. A substantial portion of the traitors couldn't be bothered to show up, or stay until the end, with the rest just faffing about.
Even most loyalist don't give a shit about Terra being besieged. The SW coulnd't be arsed to stay and defend, RG are just somewhere out there chilling, DA just skipped the SoT and decided to go straight to The Scouring, the UM focus on cleaning up their own empire, and everybody forgot about IH existing again.
SoT is a fucking joke, and everybody has already moved on before it even started.
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>>85538269
>85538269
their squad leaders wore brand-new artificer armour hand-forged in the forge-fanes of the Imperial Palace itself, each marked boldly with the aquila on his chest, utilizing the latest refinements of the power armour lineage as mark seven

their warriors wore older marks, twos and threes and fewer fours and sixes, each a strange admixture of parts from earlier and later armour scavenged from innumerable battlefields, torn from their still-living foes in the aftermath of ambushes and skirmishes, scoured to bare plasteel and inscribed by hand using combat blades with the iconography of the IXth; their ghoulish veterans paired lightning claws and fought as wild, gore-soaked savages under the vermeil-armoured control of the chaplain and the threat of his axe of perdition, while the lines were held by assault-cannon wielding destroyers, assault squads and despoilers and the wraithlike moritat ranged the walls, picking off any fool enough to turn and run as readily as those who dared climb the precipice to reach him

within the armoured sarcophagus of the leviathan who watched over them were the mortal remains and tortured mind of the former praetor of this unlucky band, a terran-born raised from the slums beneath the world to fight and die above the choking clouds of its atmosphere, born to die in darkness

they ate men

they even ate the body of a fallen custodian, down in the deeps as they defended against a burrowing, ravening pack of berserkers, and such was the darkness of the curse they already bore - these sons damned a century before Signus, who never set eyes upon Baal - that the act of consumption blessed them with enough grace to fight for the Emperor once more, just as their chaplain's words began to grate upon the soul and the flesh of Angron's sons began to taste sweetly familiar
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>>85539462
>tldr: I'm poorfagging and using 40k marines to play 30k
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>>85539504
>there's no mark 7 on the wall

what are you even in this historical wargame for? shitposting with extremely camp "sons" of Horus?
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>>85533411
Violette, you fucker, get off of 4chan and go huff some phosphex.
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Settled on doing death guard for my army. Made this one as a test model for the paint scheme. Happy with the results.
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Cataphractii can take power axes, correct? I want to rock IH termites with power axes and hammers
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>>85539666
That's very nice.
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>>85539666
And the backside
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>>85539666
>>85539683
Looks nice and stinky, just the way DG should be.
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>>85536347
Cool, I hope you and he both kill yourselves.
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>>85533102
Why does the Imperial Army fluff suck so bad compared to the Imperial Guard's? The only exceptions are Ollanius Pius and Ireton MaSade
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>>85538269
a fellowship of tsons led by a triumverate of a sorcerer, praetor, and a primus medicae. after the burning of prospero, all of them went traitor and the sorcerer was duped by outside forces into delving DEEP into the warp's bullshit while the primus medicae DESPISES sorcery. like he hates that shit (he used to be a master of signals but i saw a cool way to convert a primus medicae so i changed him). the primus medicae is basically begrugingly taitor, he hates the warp, he hates what the weirdos in the 17th legion call "the primordial truth", and he hates sorcery. psychic shit? to a certain extent, but sorcery is *evil*. however, he loves his brothers and father WAYYYY too much to be a loyalist. the praetor is kinda just in between the two, keeping them from going at eachother. also the primus medicae despises destroyers, mostly because of the damage it does to the bodies of the destroyers themselves, but the sorcerer demanded their work be done (i still dont know how i should paint the destroyers but theyll be mk II assault destroyers). during the heresy they were basically Magnus's errand boys outside of the eye of terror, doing busy work, collecting armor, etc. they have a limited supply of mk VI despite this, and instead trick their tacticals in mk V (atm theyre just mk VI but ima convert em using ball bearings, new heads, and green stuff). at the siege they were with magnus running his shit in fury of magnus, but stayed after he left. they didnt abandon the siege till the warmaster died and returned to the eye just in time for the rubric to occur and for most of /mydudes/ to become dusty boys and for the wizards of my legion to feel internal contempt for the rest of time. also they have legions upon legiuons of tzaangors and cultists led by a guy with a little daemon growing out of him (think vilitch from fantasy but he has a bolter, chainsword, and the little daemon thing has a power sword). so yeah, theyre vibing, just the wrong vibe
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>>85539770
>and Ireton MaSade
redpill me on him
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>>85536083
Is this on mega or on another site?
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>>85539780
here they are in their unpainted glory… still waiting for those containers to protect from dust (as thematic as that would be)
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>>85539353
They aren't getting nerfed, that's just those specific legions acting very in character.

Horus knew that the legions that sided with him were the worst ones. Prone to the petty bickering and squabbling that lead to their feelings of alienation from the Emperor, which would lead directly to the Heresy. Horus has the proverbial losers. Would you really expect an army lead by superhuman Bobby Brigs to stay focused on any kind of objective for very long?
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>>85539959
>acting very in character
Pert rage-quitting instead of sticking around to spite Dorn was extremely out of character.
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>>85539322
Does that +1 effect the reroll he gets?
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>>85539790
Ireton MaSade was the Lord Marshal of the Solar Auxilia. Been in the army since the earliest days of the great crusade, he became known for his courage, tenacity, and intelligence. His life was extended by bionics and his accomplishments were only outmatched by the astartes. By the Horus Heresy he was retired, however upon hearing word of traitors he was overcome with rage and set out destroying every traitor he came across. Most infamously, he slaughtered the parliament on Agathon after many of them tried to side with Horus.
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>>85539999
based as shit, nice digits btw
>>85539987
he stayed out of a promise to horus, the horus he made that promise too didnt eixst anymore, maybe his logical autism shone through for once
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So lads are power glaives on white scars better than power swords?. Breaching 5+ vs Rending 6+
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>>85539674
Look at the models and the rules my man
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>>85540089
In most situations +1S and Breaching (5+) will be better than Rending (6+).
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>>85539770

I quite like their style, the iconography and the gold and grey colour scheme is more eye-catching than the 40k Guard.

They have a couple of nice moments over Istvaan III and with MaSade, but otherwise they just don't get enough screentime to do very much. I don't recall them getting any actually bad fluff as opposed to nonexistent fluff though.
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>>85537976
>he claims that Eisenhorn is trash
Not only do you have subhuman tier garbage taste, you are also objectively wrong
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>>85540165
Not that anon but Eisenhorn is overrated. In fact, most of the Inquisition based books are.
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>>85540165
>>85540181
yeah i agree those books are overrated idk what the fuck first anon was thinking
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>>85539959
>Horus knew that the legions that sided with him were the worst ones.
if you want to go with the extremely biased BL views on the HH then yes the traitors are the worst legions. but if you look at it from black books the only one that operated at a subpar level was the NL and they still got shit done despite punching well above their weight class. taking BL as the gospel despite knowing how biased it presents both sides is a low IQ take and you should feel ashamed for doing so.
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>>85540165
Lol this post is hilarious because Black Library is trash
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>>85540392
Of course, you smooth brain fuck, I was speaking relatively. I didn't say that the Traitors were incompetent, because they weren't. They were still effective parts of the most successful military in human history, and were able to keep up with basically any other legion in terms of combat effectiveness and over all successful conquests.

But some legions were just straight up stronger than other legions. And the only Traitor Legion that wasn't weaker, or at least less efficient, than any Loyalist Legion was the Sons of Horus. The main thing that hampers the Traitors, in every iteration, in every depiction, is weak logistics, and famously bad leadership. It doesn't matter how strong the World Eaters might be when lead by somebody else, because Angron always lead them. They were always going to fight as wastefully as they possibly could.
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>>85540089
Unless you're fighting leviathan dreadnoughts 24/7, yes
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>>85540392
Spoken like a coping loser.
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>>85540392
Sure, the individual astartes were probably about equal from legion to legion, but you can't tell me that any army that has Angron, Mortarion, Fulgrim, Lorgar and Perturabo as leaders isn't eventually going to get it's shit stomped.
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>>85540392
>NL and they still got shit done

The only thing they did is take themselves put of the war and lead the Dark Angels on a wild goose chase, because Horus knew that the Dark Angels could solo any Traitor Legion, including his own.

Cope harder.
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>>85540219
Neat. Looks good.
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>>85540392
>please take my legion of pissed off adolescent man babies seriously.
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Is the logistics lad still around? A very long time ago, someone was talking about how poorly explained, to the extent they were at all, logistics were in the African Novels. What would be some preferred explanations? I don't know much about it, the most I think of it is how expansive the Alpha Legion's efforts must have been to pull of the shit they did, they needed to secretly be the largest criminal organization in the galaxy. Probably the second or third largest organization of any sort in the galaxy.
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>the cataclysm that plunged the imperium towards the depth it finds itself in
>the favorite son, taking half the emperor's legion to chaos

what nigger thought that taking the heresy and saying:
>you know the bad guys were fucking shit
is making it more interesting?
The antagonist is stronger than the protagonist in most fiction, it's basic rule.
I don't care about the hero beating a useless villain. No I don't care that he broke his arm since he couldn't lose, you spent the whole series telling me how shit the villain was.
Imagine if the bible spent its whole length telling you how satan just sucks ass and would never win shit.

For fuck sake what a load of shit, people are getting paid to write the most stupid bullshit known to man.

VILLAIN > HERO
It's basic shit
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Anyone order from war tablegames before? Debating that or Miranda. Which maybe not Miranda my firewall is going nuts trying to go to that site now.
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>>85541072
IoM fags are a cancer
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>>85541116
what is IoM? 'Imperium of Man'?
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>>85541092
war tablegames is higher quality in my experience, but it was more expensive and took way longer to ship than miranda.
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batrep time
>3k Hammer&Anvil - Shatter Strike
>Guard of the Crimson King TSons
Praetor w/ Paragon blade (telepathy)
Praetor2 in Cataphractii w/ Paragon blade (biomancy)
Champion w/ Paragon blade (thaumaturgy)
Sekhmet blob w/ swords (biomancy)
Khenatai squad
3x Castellax Achea
2x20 Tacticals w/ Asphyx bolters
Kratos w/ Melta/lascannon/volkite
2x Sicaran Omegas

>Terror Assault NL
Praetor w/ Claws + Jump pack
Command squad w/ Claws + Jump pack
Vigilator
Librarian w/ Jump pack
Apothecaries
2x Lascannon Contemptors
Night Raptors w/ chainblades + headsman's axe
2x10 Terror squad w/ volkite + rotor
2x Recon squad w/ snipers
2x Leviathans w/ melta+claw+phosphex and double storm cannon

no army photo for tsons
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>>85541190
T1 Tsons
Everything besides tanks, artificer armor praetor and champion start in deepstrike. One omega gets in range of a recon squad and kills just one due to cover saves.

T1 NL
Shuffle up, keep terror squads back since maybe interceptor would be nice. 8 lascannon shots from the contemptors is enough to explode the two sicarans (thanks prey sight)

T2 Tsons
Drop down infantry, wipes out one terror squad thanks to the khenatai and sekhmet charging in, the other one breaks after getting shot by 40 asphyx bolters. Kratos kills 2 recon marines b/c of cover.

T2 NL
Contemptor1 explodes the kratos and the other tries to kill a castellax but fails. Terror squad regroups. Leviathan shoots and charges the sekhmet blob killing all but one+praetor (they run away) while just taking one wound. Raptors charge a tactical squad and the sergeant tanks like 20 bolter rounds, killing a bunch and making them run. Khenatai are pinned by snipers.
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Suggestions to make these guys a little more 30k? I want another unit of Gal Vorbak but don't want identical models
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woops, forgot pic
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>>85541245
T3 Tsons
Night fighting continues, fails to regroup the terminators and castellax bounce off the storm cannon leviathan. Tacticals fury into the raptor squad, just killing the embedded librarian thanks to 2+/5+ FNP. Khenatai still pinned. Broken tactical squad fails to rally and get picked up since they have nowhere to go.

T3 NL
Leviathan chases after the terminators and murders them. Second leviathan erases the champion since I learned the characters couldn't actually join the castellax unit and the praetor soon follows after a volley of lascannon fire. Khenatai are cut down by the command squad. Tacticals are charged by the raptors but don't wipe.

Tsons called it there since he was down to a single tactical squad and a few castellax
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>>85541274
>>85541279

Different backpacks maybe, shoulderpads could go a long way
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>>85541287
Would be helpful if I posted the photo
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>>85541245
>8 lascannon shots from the contemptors is enough to explode the two sicarans (thanks prey sight)
So I know 8 Lascannon shots is a lot, but every time I see a batrep I feel like tanks are just popping instantly in these games
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>>85541245
How did a leviathan kill 9 sekhmet?
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>>85541298
Same, nothing short of getting charged with melta bombs has killed my spartan yet
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>>85541298
I rolled two pens and then a six for vehicle damage table twice, it was very lucky on my end

>>85541306
>five melta shots (he failed four saves and four got IDed)
>caught four in the phosphex (he failed two more invulns and another died)
>rolled four successful hits and wounds with the claw (he failed four sekhmet worth of saves from a brutal (3) S10 claw)
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>>85541325
Oh I misread, thought that was only melee
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>>85541274
>>85541279
Splice some of the chaotic parts of those Power packs with Mark III and Mark IV power packs.
Swap out heads for more era appropriate helmets, and chaos-ify them since they all seem to be weaing Mark VII or have ugly faces (add horns and corruption with green stuff using the regular Gal Vorbak models as a guide, or use an actual Mark IV helmet from the CSM box).
Cut away some spikes and trim, since while the Gal Vorbak models have trim and spikes, they have far less.
Swap out shoulder pads for some WB upgrades and chaos-ifyed Mk III and IV shoulders.
Swap out some of the more ridiculous/stupid arms (spider limbs and tentacle man) for meaty claws, Bolters and Bolt pistol arms.
Replace that Primaris model and the hand holding his helmet with a rock or an actual Heresy Marine
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guys like my cataphractii termi?
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>>85541447
Somebody filled up their jammies!
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>>85541447
I want him to sit on my face.
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>>85541245
>>85541287
>>85541296
thanks for br anon, what a nice board
>Leviathan shoots and charges the sekhmet blob killing all but one+praetor (they run away) while just taking one wound.
aren't these guys LD10 Stubborn lmao
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>>85541620
Yes.
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>>85541072
cope trai-tard
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>tfw only put together ten marines from the new box because everything is always out of stock and you want to mix and match components but can't get them
>still can't even decide on a legion like a giant fag

At this point, I'll have everything ready to be put together when we finally get Blackshield rules.
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>>85541827
Honestly I have no idea how people struggle to pick a legion
Like, night lords immediately jumped out at me and I didn't even have to think about it
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>>85541906
I'm just very indecisive.
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>>85541906
Not him but I like a lot of the legions and their unique models, so it's really hard to nail down just one that I wanna invest my free time and money into.
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>have 10 IH dreads just cause I like how they look
>randomly used them last edition for fun
>tfw feel bad running them now cause of how powerful they are
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>40k chaos indomitus terminators have reaper autocannons
>30k indomitus terminators have assault cannons
reee
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>>85541906
For me, it's because I can find something to like about every legion, and the more I learn about a legion, the more I will probably like them.

What sealed Dark Angels for me was their vaguely smug superiority. They just do their job, and don't care about any hollow adulation. Some legion and primarchs need their egos constantly fellated for them to function. The Dark Angels are out there on the edge of known space, fighting enemies far greater than anything some legions have ever encountered. They don't need parades. They aren't here for that.

A nice look at that is the beginning of the Lion's novella, where he meets with the Emperor, and they don't even really have a conversation. The Lion knows that he's doing a good job, and to keep it up. He doesn't need the Emperor to explain every move. He just needs to know what to do. And the Emperor appreciated that aspect of him. The Emperor knew he didn't need to explain anything. They have an automatic mutual understanding. The Lion didn't want glory, he didn't want fame. He didn't even want to be warmaster, because he knew how much bullshit came with it and he didn't want to have to glad hand these other fucking retard primarchs into doing the job they were fucking created to do.

The Dark Angels, like many legions, have many themes. But they aren't the first legion you think of when you think of Duty being a theme, but I think the DA embody Duty better than almost any other legion.
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>mk3 still out of stock everywhere except some sellers with 200% markup
Just please bring them back GW, I don’t want to pay for resin recasts
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>>85542194
Do you have autism, by any chance?
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>>85542208
No more than anyone else here. But probably at least a bit.
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>>85542194
Adding onto this, they know what they are. The Dark Angels are nothing more than living weapons, tools created by the Emperor to make the galaxy safe for the rest of humanity. A safety they'll never see or know. But that's why they're there. They do their job, because they're the only ones that can do it. Everything in the Legion, and everything the legion uses, including the culture, exists because it makes the legion better at doing it's job.

When the Lion took over the legion, he changed very little, compared to some primarchs. Ho found that what already existed pretty much worked. It only failed when the vainly pursued glory. He didn't change the structure of the Legion much at all, and left the council of Knight Preceptors alone to continue running the logistics and overall planning of the Legion. Because he found that it worked. They had done their job mostly effectively without him, and him changing everything wouldn't make the legion more efficient. If he thought the legion culture could be better served by some other system, then he would've torn out the one that existed and replaced it. Because their job, and doing their job, is why they exist. If they are doing something that makes them worse at their job, then they don't fucking do it.

I'm sorry I keep writing walls of text like this, but I just really like their lonely pragmatism. They seem standoffish and smug to other legions, because the other legions, even the Loyalists, see themselves as a warrior cast set apart and above regular humans. But Dark Angels don't see it like that. They are true and honest servants. Warriors created to fight wars. Created to slay the greatest and most hideous monsters in the galaxy. They serve the Emperor. Not fanatically, but because it's their job.

I just really like that.
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>>85541906
same for me, started AL with alpharius and three contemptors, then started DA with 20 companions when they were released. simple as
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Dreadnought drop pods. Yay or nay?
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>>85542112
>Use just a single melee dreadnought with two in-built weapons to mob up melee terminators
>It utterly annihilates them whilst costing substantially fewer points
It is after reducing the melee terminators to 5 or less with shooting, but still. Dreadnoughts are fucking broken right now.
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>>85542358
>20 Companions
??????????????????
You bought the same monopose kit 4 times???????????
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>>85542396
First
In
All
Things
FIAT
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Do I recall correctly that official epubs for Liber Astartes and Hereticus go live this weekend? The scans are fine, but epubs tend to be searchable.
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>>85542565
they should've been live already, I've seen screenshots of people saying there's at least one difference (interaction between units with infiltrate and ICs without and vice versa) between the epub and the printed book
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>>85536554
Yea eskaton sucks. Most if the DA ones do but firewing one might fuck with all the deathstars
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>>85542318
>he changed very little, compared to some primarchs.
Yeah I think he and Dorn changed the least about their legions, including their names iirc.
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>>85542713
I don't think Eskaton sucks. It's not as good as it at first seems. But it's a pretty decent newfag filter, both to play and play against.

New players are going to think it's fucking broken, until they realize how little Difficult Terrain does in HH2. And people playing it are going to get their shit stomped hard, and then wonder why this Rite they thought was auto win isn't winning.

It's a fun and fluffy, and occasionally very strong Rite that can hard counter the right enemy. But it isn't broken by any means.
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>>85542396
Same
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>>85542318
>other legions, even the Loyalists, see themselves as a warrior cast set apart and above regular humans. But Dark Angels don't see it like that. They are true and honest servants. Warriors created to fight wars.
This is (in some authors’ hands) an interesting flaw. The Dark Angels are an unquestioning weapon in the hands of the emperor, but their pursuit of efficiency makes warfare the first resort, when maybe it ought to be the last.
>pic related
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>>85542194
>>85542318
All these words just so anon could come out of the closet
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>>85542786
Space marines are a weapon first and statesmen somewhere farther down
Emps gave a ton of autonomy to the legions as long as they returned with results (probably why Guilliman was allowed so much elbow room in Ultramar) and intervened when he believed that his sons strayed too far from their crusade quota (Monarchia and the WB censure).
If the wayward humans can be reasoned with and brought into the fold without bloodshed? Great! But that better not impede the progress of the crusade by too long.
Emps was making the mother of all omelets. Can't fret over every egg.
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>>85542786
Maybe. But you already have other legions for that, like the Word Bearers and Ultramarines. They like to bring whole planets into the fold, and liked doing it peacefully, if possible.

But the Dark Angels aren't about bringing errant worlds back into the realm of Terra. They aren't really even about compliance. They're like Xcom, to make a poor analogy. They are the first, and sometimes last line of defense against threats that would overwhelm other legions more in line with the ideals of the Great Crusade. The Dark Angels are about vigilance against the worst threats, actively seeking them out to destroy them before they have a chance to do any damage to the Imperium. They aren't about conquest. They're about extermination.

However, early on, you're right. It was a weakness. They would actively seek out the worst threats they could find, ignoring others, and throwing themselves entirely into combat just to prove how tough they were. They almost always won, but it was almost always at enormous cost. Both in manpower and in reputation. It was only the discovery of the Lion, and his setting them back on the right path, that stopped it.

>>85542833
You show me a twink femboy and I'll show you a quivering mess that feels loved and validated.
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>>85542786
>makes warfare the first resort, when maybe it ought to be the last.
Isn't that like 80% of the legions? Seems like shoot first, maybe think of some questions later was standard operating procedure for the majority.
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>>85542848
>Emps was making the mother of all omelets. Can't fret over every egg.
Specially when there are other forces out there going out of their way to break all the eggs without even thinking about making an omelet.
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>>85542852
>DA
definitely shoot first
>EC
diplomacy first
>IW
shoot first
>WS
shoot first
>SW
shoot first
>IF
probably 50/50
>NL
shoot first
>BA
diplomacy first
>IH
shoot first
>WE
lol. lmao
>UM
diplomacy first
>DG
shoot first
>Sallies
probably diplomacy because of memes but realistically still shoot first
>RG
depends, probably shoot first
>AL
"diplomacy" first
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>>85542875
I somehow forgot about
>TSons
depends on the civilization, probably still shoot first
>SoH
diplomacy first
>WB
diplomacy first
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>>85542875
I'd say AL and RG are both shoot first unless you count terror operations and decapitation strikes as diplomacy.
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>>85542890
Eh, it depends on if you consider any sort of antagonist maneuver as "shoot first"
Then yes, shoot first for both
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>>85542786
Liberal hands typed this post.
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>>85542919
Poltard hands typed this post
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>>85542928
(You) typed this post
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Post models
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>>85542940
Post models that aren't huge horrendous faggot that suck duck and drink cum all the time why don't you do that bucko
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>>85542953
>suck duck
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>>85542953
No
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>>85542358
Did you do any converting for the Companions? Any kitbashing?
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>>85542849
But what about when the DA encounter a regular planet while crusading, and not some horrible xeno menace?
>>85542919
sadly just terminal chaosfag hands. it’s too late, I automatically find myself prejudiced toward the traitors when I read lore arguments
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>>85542984
Then they carry out a regular compliance. It's not that they couldn't, or didn't bring worlds into compliance. They absolutely did. But it wasn't their main objective. They weren't seeking out worlds or systems that were already populated, following leads and forward scouting reports given to them by the White Scars. They're main focus was making sure there wasn't something big they should be killing, or making sure that if a world was being brought into compliance, that they weren't really just humans slaved to some other intelligence.

They brought probably fewer worlds into compliance than some legions, but the ones that they did never rebelled and never compromised imperial operations, as they sometimes would. They had a significant portion of their manpower tied elsewhere.

It should also be said that while they had fewer crusade fleets than most other legions, their fleets were considerably larger, because they were expected to deal with anything they encountered without need to call for assistance. Every fleet had elements of every Wing, in addition to the legion's own fleet, which could match any other legion's fleet in numbers, and could more than match in firepower.
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Sell my Spartan, or just build it and paint it anyway?
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Is the skull-adorned grenade too much for 30k? They’re early-mid Word Bearers
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>>85543144
Depends, how many spartans do you already own?
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>>85543160
oops, no pic
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>>85543144
There's no legion where a spartan is necessarily bad, even if all you fill it with is 20 despoilers + accompanying ICs.
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>>85543160
>>85543168
Yeah, I think so. That's me though. If you really like it, leave it.
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>>85543163
0. I sold my old DG one.
>>85543175
I guess this is my issue, in that I know it's a transport over a battle tank, but I don't know whether I've got a payload worthy for it. I've got Termies but I can deepstrike them anyway. Phalanx Warders or Templar Brethren? Doesn't seem much point.
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>>85542875
>AL "diplomacy"
Diplomancy.
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>>85543168
For WB I'd say it goes
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>>85542875
>>EC
>diplomacy first
dickplomacy
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>>85543262
Once people at your lgs figure out why it's a good idea to bring augury scanners those terminators are gonna be a whole lot safer inside a spartan than deep striking them.
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>>85543294
That's a fair point. Just feels a bit obvious to do the Spartan Teminator deathstar when there's a native and unique play I can do with my Legion you know?
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>>85541447
what does he transform into?
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>>85541279
The CSM raptors got a great mutt mk IV head that I'm using for my kit bash for sure.
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>>85541295
>>85541274
Backpacks are fine anvilus pattern is kosher
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>>85542112
dont be. I'm constantly told how the waac players only play 40k yet all my Heresy group constantly how to field death starter one shit snipers. Heresy fags LOVE broken shit but only when they are doing it
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>>85543343
I kinda wish everyone had broken shit to exploit, so no one Legion or playstyle would automatically get a reaction
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>>85543350
I'm just starting up IH and White Scars I wonder if Golden Keshig with power lances and brutal are a good counter to dreadnoughts. You will need your dreads to counter other dreads
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>>85543369
if you consider a coinfil to be a counter, then sure
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>>85542112
>>85542395
>>85543343
How to combat powerful dreadnoughts this edition bros?
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>>85543160
Its fine, the more the merrier, in fact make a chair out of skulls while you're at it.
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>>85542940
Nice JUSTaerin bro
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>>85541447
Built for BECC
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>>85543262
>sold his DG to play IF instead
Sell it and use the money to buy some rope.
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>>85543457
I sold my DG army in like 2015 mate, calm your tits
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>>85543428
Only two options really
>Bring your own dreadnoughts
>Focusing ranged firepower to bring them down and hope you won't get punished too hard for ignoring the rest of the army
People do talk about thunder hammer terminators, but those strike at initiative 1 whilst dreadnoughts will be fisting them first at initiative 4. It's a trap, you'll only lose most of your terminators.
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>>85543503
Bringing your own makes sense.
What if they are cataphractii with 4 invul, I'd take those odds.

Best ranged firepower for the job, lascannons? Or plasma gun spam maybe and pray for breaching?
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>>85542975
yes almost all of them were modelled with fists for last edition. for this edition they will all have great swords
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>>85543796
>>85543796
>>85543796
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>>85541906
>struggle to pick a legion
Its more struggling to pick a 2nd legion.
I want traitors that play very differently to my IW, so still deciding between these two.
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>>85543262
20 phalanx warders in a spartan seems like a really optimal use of it, honestly.



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