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>Thread Topic
Which Tradition has the hottest babes?
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What would you do if you saw a garou?
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>>85530512
Forget about it
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Is WoD popular in South America? Because I see a lot of fan art from artist who live there.
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>>85530604
No idea, and this is coming from some one in south america, I just watched some lore videos and from there started playing with people online.
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>>85530251
>Which Tradition has the hottest babes?
here is a better question, which of them would have the hardest time using their powers to raise their appearance?
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Tell me about your Big Baddy, /WoDg/

pic not related
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>>85530765
What sphere would that even fall under? Matter, Mind, or Life?
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>>85530799
that is the thing, you can have the same effect with different spheres.
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>>85530855
>you can have the same effect with different spheres
This is why I fucking hate Mage.
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>>85530772
I'm a player, not an ST, so I can't tell you everything about it. But in our pirate-themed Changeling (ctl) game our Freehold's "Eternal Enemy" is a giant squid Cthulhu monster that lurks the depths of the Hedge Sea, Davy Jones. He embodies the very concept of being drowned, so there's not really much chance to kill him, just thwart his plans
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>>85530251
>Which Tradition has the hottest babes?
Still bothering with LIVING women? Couldn't be me.
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>>85530902
Sounds like you need some Sin-Eaters to help.
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>>85530892
Because you have no imagination?
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>>85530950
It's a True Fae, they'd only be helpful in a fight in the Material
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>>85530953
nta, but I just dislike how confusing the spellcasting rules get.
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>>85530604
Yes, I live in Rio and it's been one of the most popular ttrpg since late 90s/early 00s
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>>85530772
Our ultimate Big Bad was a 4th generation Lasombra Methuselah, everything we know about her is pieced together, anything we didn't witness could be wrong.

>Born in the early Cochise Tradition of North America, possibly as early as 4000 B.C., could have been as recently as 2000 B.C. , the NA Archaic period stretches over a long period of time
>Likely a shamaness or witch as a mortal
>Embraced by an entity we believed to be the Lasombra Antediluvian
>She stayed with him for an unknown period of time, he took her across the Atlantic and she watched as he spread his influence across the classical world during the Bronze Age Collapse
>Spent some time in Greece terrorizing sailors and ships
>Embraced a dying Sejanus in Rome, possibly her last act during antiquity
>At some point, either before or after she was first taken across the Atlantic, her sire tried to draw forth and bind an incredibly powerful Abyssal Entity in a swamp, now modern day Washington D.C.
>To her shock, her godlike sire failed to bind the creature. When that failed, he tried to slay it and the two fought to a standstill
>Her sire fled with the sun's rise, and native sorcerers banished the creature
>Seeing her sire fail caused her to strike out on her own, and she spent a very long time terrorizing the East Coast as a dark and terrible spirit of shadows, fostering abyss cults in her wake
>She continued this well into colonization, but the arrival of the Camarilla forced her to go underground
>She believed she has surpassed her sire, and seeks to prove it by summoning the same abyssal god and binding it
>It's a lot harder to summon when there's a major city above it
>Our coterie kept thwarting her plans, initially by accident
>We couldn't stop a methuselah though, she finally summons the creature
>It drags her into the abyss, screaming
>We fucking cheese it, breaking the summoning ritual on the way out with the help of a ton of NPCs we'd collected throughout the campaign
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How to get Hollow One gf?
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Tell me the differences between WtA and WtF. I could read both and figure it out myself, but it's way more fun for someone to tell me about it
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>>85531468
You can’t.
But you can be the hollow one gf.
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>>85531468
Just be yourself :)
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>>85530772
The current main villain is an 80 year old ghoul that has been lying to the PCs claiming he is a liaison from the Primogen Council. He's using them to sabotage anarchs, kill sabbat, and swindle other cammies without his dominators knowledge hoping that by showing initiative the ghoul can prove he is worthy of the embrace.

I am surprised the players have never checked his credentials. Even met his dominator once and never brought up anything like "Hey, why are we doing all this crap for you anyway?" Or something. When he introduced himself in the first game they just took everything he said at face value.
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>>85530943
Depends on the kinda gal you're into. I want a semi-squirrelly energetic Etherite to go on crazy airship adventures with in space.
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>>85531468
>Develop schizophrenia
>Listen to the Cure, Sisters of Mercy, Siouxsie and the Banshees, etc.
>Engage in tantric masturbation
>Hallucinate
>???
>Awaken
Congratulations, you now have a Hollow One gf, you filthy marauder.
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>>85532104
Who’s his dominator? And what’s the ghoul’s plan for if your players find out they’re being played? Poor sap only has 1 dot in any given discipline.
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>>85532104
Is Ghoul paying them? The usual PC thing would have been to demand reward immediately after completing a job, then Owner could hear about these surprise minor boons he's supposed to owe to scrubs.
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>>85532392
Good point
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>if only you knew how funny and cute everything realy is
The existance of the Gentry means that there is also infinite Goodness in the universe. They just haven't come around to fixing everything and/or the timelines where they did fix everything got sealed away by the G-M in the apocalypse vault

Have you ever had a genuinely nice/benevolent God-Equivalent in your games, be it high rank spirit, lord of the underworld, etc?
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>>85532732
The GodMachine IS the benevolent God
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>>85532104
>without his dominators knowledge
Pet peeve, but in this particular context of ghoul ownership the correct word is "domitor" (or "regnant" if you want to avoid confusion, this variant became common parlance in Requiem), not "dominator".
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>>85532732
t. Loyalist
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>>85532760
I've always prefered 'owner'.
Ghouls are property, not people.
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>>85531686
>Tell me the differences between WtA and WtF
WtA has environmental theme and a overarching story about the end of the world while WtF doesn't, that is it in terms of lore. In terms of mechanics Forsaken has a more linear character progression because of how gifts are structured and the warform is a lot riskier to use if you don't want you and your pack to enter frenzy and kill anything you can reach including one another.
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>>85530512
>What would you do if you saw a garou?
Fall into Delirium.
>>85530251
>TQ
Tradition? Werbena, obviously.
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>>85530604
Yes. A lot. Here people are real fanatic for WoD lore as well and when nWoD came up, there was Edition War for years.
People still play LARP here as well, even tho the majority it's same old people from 90s.
The people who released "V20 Classical Age" and "W20 Rage Across Brazil" on STV are brazilians.
All the Brazil stuff released in V5 is because they want to please their brazilian community. People are buying a lot of V5 material and some friends I know want to do STV material as well.

>>85529141
There's the dojon website were you can create some factions. It's all medieval fantasy, but you can adapt those without a problem.
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>>85532938
Tzimisce go and stay go
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>>85533302
I'd give you a 2 for how you just accept that.
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>>85530251
Taftâni is my answer, anon.
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>>85533447
No.
Now let me tell you ten health benefits of Vicissitude, first, tentacles
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>>85533501
I still don't understand how garou sciety functions at all. Or how they fooled themselves into thinking of themselves as superior to humanity while hiding from them (and being reliant on them for procreation).
Their parasitic nature seems at odds with them being alleged beings of harmony. To me they seem more like wyrmspawn than anything else.
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>>85533858
Because, like many WoD supernatural splats, they have a big ego.
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>>85533874
So i just have to suspend my disbelief and simply assume them all to be complete hypocrites and morons?
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>>85533858
If you were one of the werewolves that values human achievements to begin with, I bet you'd still feel pretty smug about being able to physically enter the Real Internet.
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>>85533858
As usual with owod, it is kind of retarded because it is a hidden world. That and werewolf cosmology is incredibly fucking retarded with nature being idealised as a harmonious whole with captain planet bullshit.
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>>85534260
Nigga it's camp, you're not expecting a serius and nuanced take on Mother Nature by the same guys that brought you transegender nazi vampires, are you?
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>>85531686
WtA is your favorite candy bar. WtF is a pack of sugar free gummy worms that's been sitting on the shelf since the Clinton presidency. People who don't even buy books or play in games will tell you that you're a racist if you don't choke down the terrible sugar free gummy worms.
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>>85534260
Werewolves and mages (especialy mages) being depicted as the good guys is staggering, i mean if things went their way humanity would still live in caves and would be unable to even make tools or fire, being dependant on their masters who just got lucky in the (genetic) lottery
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>>85534512
t. someone who expected forsaken to be apocalypse 2.0
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>>85533542
Also, furniture that stays warm, and breathes.
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>>85533858
>them being alleged beings of harmony
This is your brain on nWoD. No, Garou are not 'beings of harmony'. Garou are killing machines in a giant war between the the Triat and Gaia. Some of the tribes value 'being in harmony' with humans, that is not immediately killing dozens of them for fun, but no Garou should care overly much about killing humans to win the war against the Wyrm (and the Weaver).

The fucking problem comes in when nWoD people and people with delicate sensibilities in general cannot handle an edgy RPG where you play a monster that doesn't have the same world outlook as an IRL twitter user with a BLM fist and ukraine flag in their profile.
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>>85534544
imagine...
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>>85534539
t. someone who's a fan of a dead game no one bought, no one cared about and now you want to ruin WtA with your uncoolness and stupid ideas.
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>>85534581
Did you forget w5?
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>>85534607
w5 is the 'ruining WtA with your stupid ideas' part. It's going to be a bigger financial failure than WtF.
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>>85532752
Maybe, but is it a cute fluffy fairy that only wants candy and headpats each friday afternoon in exchange for granting you a charmed life? I don't think so
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>>85534563
Maybe get that chip off your shoulder. CofD woofs are just as much murder machines, but when they kill people it's actually to serve a purpose of maintaining the physical/spiritual worlds balance.
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>>85534667
You don't understand the setting. That's okay, because the person working on w5 doesn't understand it either. Justin Achilli shouldn't be allowed anywhere near WtA.
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>>85534684
He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near VtM either
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>>85534701
I'm not a vampire player (or fan) but they did you guys dirty with v5. I wonder if we'll ever get another version of any of the oWoD splats that is worth buying and playing, or if this is the end. You gotta think that Paradox seeing the gigantic financial crater that are v5 and w5 would result in the IP being shelved.
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>>85534730
How could there be a W5 crater when it's not out yet?
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>>85534754
I hang out with WtA people. People who buy books. Not just people who bitch on twitter while putting $0 into the hobby. The fucking universal response to the stuff Achilli has been dropping on twitter is "this game is DOA. I'm not giving them my money."

I also know a few SJW type people who don't buy books or play in games but they, for example, draw WtA characters and like to read about the lore. That's who is excited about the w5 changes.
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>>85534684
Apoc woofs think they're trying to fight the machinations of the Weaver and the Wyrm, and most of that means making ineffective and pointless assault on Pentex.
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>>85534798
To be frank, I will take a look at it take what I can implement in other games. V5 had decent stuff like lore sheets and minor supernatural equipment and the new basic discipline powers.
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>>85535192
>the new basic discipline powers
Basic is an understatement, the New Disicplines are Boring, Boring and watered down, """those disciplines""" are the main reason why i recoil at the Sheer Thought of playing V5
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>>85530772
A radical road of heaven death cult that's been genociding other vampires as well as taking their own lives in the process (which are usually suicide attacks), since they believe it will earn them redemption in God's eyes for my Cebu Sabbat Inquisition game.

Their leaders are the Seven Apostles who represent one of the virtues in Catholic theology and their methods or motives for killing are related to their respective virtue. The cult's ways of making more kindred die usually range from suicide bombings, luring hunters, serial killings, and encouraging suicide to Cainites that may be manipulated into doing it.

In my next session, I plan to introduce the Apostle Of Charities for my game's next session who is the childe of the Toreador primogen that secretly helped the cult massacre most of the Cammies in the city. He was also responsible for implanting bombs in gift boxes sent to some havens since he considers his gifts a "mercy kill". It's implied that his embrace was without his consent and gaslighted by his sire into thinking it was, resulting in the self-loathing of his undead state once he knew he was tricked. [/Spoiler]

pic related is the inspiration for the cult.
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>>85535371
Unironically sounds amazing. Props for not going for the easy and overdone sins. Hope you and your players have fun anon.
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>>85535324
While I see where you are coming from, I like the new powers even if just as an option.
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>>85530251
>Which Tradition has the hottest babes?
None of them. They are all in your head. There are no "hot babes" to slaver over. If you need fap material, go watch porn.
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Asking for the Derangement Flaw; Can someone with a schizophrenia acknowledge/be aware of that what he sees and hears are not real, and he has a mental illness?
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>>85535934
>Can someone with a schizophrenia acknowledge/be aware of that what he sees and hears are not real, and he has a mental illness?
V20 core rulebook page 293.
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>>85535934
>Can someone with a schizophrenia acknowledge/be aware of that what he sees and hears are not real, and he has a mental illness?
IRL a Schizo can acknowledge when something isn't real, through deduction, however the things they see will still seem very real to them. It would be like walking down the street and seeing a dog dragging a backpack full of meat. Is it real? To a person with a properly functioning mental state, yes, they can surmise that it's real, but odd. A paranoid Schizophrenic would be unable to tell or be sure.
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Give me a best gimmick for a Malkavian.
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>>85536138
Ex-Military PTSD dude who's flavor of "The Voices" comes as his Squad Leader calling him on whatever electronical devices he has near him, Spec Ops: The Line style and issuing both pointless orders or helpfull advices

bonus points if the squad leader is actually dead
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>>85531171
SEXO
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Okay, so in W20 - Changing Breeds it mentions that:

>A Pumonca is one with her land; if she leaves it for more than a full moon cycle, she will die.

However, it also says that they:
> rarely establish set territories. Instead, they prefer to wander the continent, seeking new stories, and sniffing out new threats.

So... how is that supposed to work? What is a Pumonca's "land"? How are they nomads who have to go home all the time? I guess nowadays they can just catch a plane, but, uhh, what?
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>>85536205
nigga at this point try shoving your dick in the bum of yer shadow, it should give the same feeling
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>>85536229
Look at that fucking body my dude. Looks at that fucking Shadow temptress.
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>>85536223
Better you go to Bastet Breed book. They can explain there, I guess.
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How would the PAW Patrol (as of season 9) fare in the Chronicles of Darkness? They have their fully upgraded gear and fleet of vehicles and drones. The PAW Patrol has fought dragons and aliens and won. They once gained superpowers from a meteor and briefly spent time as superheroes, the Mighty Pups.
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>>85536444
I recognize you, you fucking fuck, piss off back to /co/
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Tell me a story about Tzimisce please /tg/. PCs, NPCs, whatever you like.
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>>85536444
Something about this post makes me deeply, deeply uncomfortable
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>>85536444
The Glass Walkers version of the Uratha.
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>>85536559
You mean the Iron Masters?
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>>85536575
Yes. That one. I forgot the name.
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>>85530772
>What players think the BBEG is:
>A Lasombra Cartel Boss who's recklessly creating supernatural drugs and trying to conquer part of the Anarch Free State.
>Who the BBEG really is:
>One of the Players sire, who's playing Anarchs/Remnants of the Sabbat off against each other so the Camarilla can move in.
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>>85530953
Because the system basically exists as fluff for handwaving shit away.
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>>85536188
Same deal as with this guy
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So my players will be investigating a Sabbat front in L.A.; it's been kidnapping homeless people from Skid Row to use as expendable blood bags.

I was thinking it'd be interesting if a Bone Gnawer was also investigating the front because a few of his kinfolk got taken. What are the odds that the Vamps and him could strike a temporary Alliance?
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>>85533355
>dojon website
I'm not looking for a random generator, i'm moreso looking for a system to help plan out my thoughts and ideas
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>>85537007
Vancouver scenario can answer you that.
Probably the Bone Gnawer would agree, but at same time trying to get some info out of the vamps so he can give to the L.A. Garou and in the future, after que temporary alliance is over, attack the PC's Sect.
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>>85537024
Camarilla Guide (Revised) helps you how to build a city and relationship between vampires and hierarchies.
Right of Princes helps you how to pool together Backgrounds to do interesting places (from a kinfolk vineyard tavern to a mystical cult).
There's a Vampire Requiem 1st edition book who helps you to do these things as well and even gives you examples.
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>>85536903
Who This?
tried searching the name, found nothing
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>>85534523
> mages (especialy mages) being depicted as the good guys is staggering
> doesnt know about the tradition-technocracy alliance to finally ascend humanity once and for all and leaving the rest of the supernatural shitters to fight over gay earth
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>>85537844
Yeah, like that's ever gonna happen
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>>85537912
time of judgement says otherwise
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>>85536480
>Be me
>Be Calvin
>Be an up-and-coming plastic surgeon in Miami
>Have an eccentric artiste who is "My greatest work of art!"
>Sort of plastic surgery obsessed idiot you'd see on Jerry Springer
>Hey it's a job
>She would come with more and more outlandish ideas to me over recent months
>Wants a mastectony
>Wants her ribcage reuced
>Wants her tear ducts tapped into blood vessels
>Wants a working Glasgow Grin
>Whatever, it's good money and if the client wants all this wierd stuff there's nothing wrong morally with it at all whatsoever
>Medical association disagrees
>Barred from practicing
>Getting shitfaced at a bar because a decade long career is down the shitter
>She shows up
>Buys a concillatory round and we head off to the motel
>???
>Waitasecond! This isn't a motel, this is an abandoned navy dry-dock!
>About to leave when suddenly it's like wading through mud
>She's vanished
>Eyes gradually adjusting to the dark
>It's not normal looking at all, very very intact for a rusty ruined dock
>In fact it's almost like HR Giger's wet dream
>Walk in deeper
>Floor is tacky but not resisting
>Spot a curtained off corner
>Go in to investigate
>Feel like the walls are closing in
>Literally.
>Peel back the curtain
>Candlit scene
>SHE is there laying on the floor by a chaise lounge
>On the chaise is a marble/enamel statue in the same pose but opposite
>"Come in take a a seat, I have a job offer you can't refuse"
>Holyfuck the statue spoke!
And that's the tale of a washout plastic surgeon got to live out his passion forever more, and they all lived happily ever after.
Except the ghoul, who got blown up by SI.
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>>85534843
Most woofs canonically don't even know about Pentex (one of the many, many heads of the Wyrm hydra).
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>>85537959
Please, enlighten me. I would like to know where I can find this reference about the majority not knowing.
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>>85537947
Thank you! Great story.
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>>85537924
Time of judgement also had aliens take all magic away.
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>>85537924
if Times of Judgment is canon then the Ghost Rider can ACTUALLY kill the whole marvel universe (he can't)
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What's a good name for this ghoul dog?
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>>85538918
Cheeko
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>>85538918
Marbles.
Blackie.
Jubilee.
Mr. Shen
Lady Morgan
ZooZoo
Annie Winkles
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>>85538918
Bob.
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>>85538918
Gherman
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>>85538918
Amélie
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>>85538918
Snookums
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>>85537660
He's called Roach Riley, from a small series of comics that were an edgy parody of Calvin and Hobbs called Spencer and Locke. In the series, the protagonist Locke is a PTSD-riddled detective that still sees and speaks to his imaginary childhood friend Spencer as a coping mechanism for his shitty life. Roach Riley is the main villain of the second series (he's a parody of another Sunday Strip called Beetle Bailey) whose also a PTSD reject but from the military and instead of imagining he's speaking to his stuffed panther he instead thinks his dead CO is giving him orders that involve a lot of explosives and high profile assassinations.
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>>85539992
I should mention that there are times in the comic that seem to have something more supernatural afoot. Both Locke and Riley have some super-human feats to their names and there have been a couple of moments where their delusions seem to have actual effects on the real world; a little girl was able to speak with and see Spencer one time and another time saw Riley's CO pull the pin on some grenades.
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>>85538918
That's a Trevor right there.
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>>85539992
>>85540022
cool shit, yeah that's pretty much what i was going for
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>>85530251 Silly question but we all know kindred can heal with the blood, but what happens if you remove a kindreds eyes?

Will they be able to grow them back?
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Can you ghoul fish?
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>>85540446
Yes
>>85540470
sure, if you can ghoul a colony of bees then you can ghoul a fish
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Creating the most Bog Standard, stereotypical "Nosferatu Thief" char is surprysingly fun >:)
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>>85540481
Ty, taking their eyes is now a painful message option
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>>85540531
If you happen to be a Tzimisce it's a very practical option for farming bodyparts to have a Kindred tie up in your basement so you can just pluck out what you need - spare eyes, teeth, ribs, a couple of feet of intestine, all that good stuff.
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>>85539992
Blessed are the edgelord newspaper comic parodies.
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>>85540446
Unless there's some special supernatural permanence effect on it, a Vampire's body will always seek to return to the state it was in when embraced.

Not sure on the way oWoD/V5 handles it, but in VtR you have to spend 1V per Lethal/2Bashing to heal damage if you were still injured when you go into daysleep. Agg damage requires 5 Vitae, can only be healed one per night, and is the only type that leaves a scar.
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>>85540556
Actually I'm going to be playing a Lasombra in 5e and was thinking about it after reading up on 'Touch of Oblivion'

Looking forward to the character actually, Ex Sons of Tertullian ghost hunter who got embraced.
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Tourist is a Haqim who had seen the battle grounds of Gehenna for himself where he wrought the blood from an Elders neck and drank her dry.

Now plagued by an Oblivion touched Lasombras' desperate soul, Tourist has lost what justice means. Those that lay beyond have a different sense of justice, one of alien nature.

With no sense of justice, a budding Tzimisce wearing the face of a Malkavian finds him the perfect tool to further her goals.
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>>85534574
Haha, yeah...
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>>85538918
Cha-chi
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>>85533957
I mean we humans are also hypocrites to an extent. You have to be partially delusional sometimes. It's how your brain deals with harsh concepts.
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Where can i find information regarding what was going on in the soviet union?
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>>85540994
garou shadow lords were also working in the KGB
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>>85540779
Nice drawing. You did it by yourself?
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>>85540600
True dat
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>>85541141
No sorry, wish I had the source for you. Fits the VTM vibe perfectly I think.
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>>85541141
Yandex says sauce is Lisa Parfenova on ArtStation.
Though, looks like General Zod to me.
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>>85541278
Image poster, deffo is Lisa Parfenova
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>>85541278
>>85541288
Thank you for the help, anons!
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>>85540994
These specific things going on, about vampires building the KGB as a delivery service and something big and supernatural that's supposed to coincide with the collapse, have most of their details in Rage Across Russia.
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>>85541153
Thats fucked. Is it worth reading? Does this have an actual plot or is it just random events in the main characters life like Calvin and hobbes?
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does anyone have The Operative's Dossier? I can't find it in any of the troves
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>look at the animal stats in v20
>most of them have 2 or 3 Intelligence, making them as smart as or smarter than the average human
Uh, what?
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>>85542834
Those stats were randomly generated
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>>85538918
Cat.
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>>85542834
Humans in wod are literally not human compared to the real world
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>>85541897
I won't pretend it's the next Watchmen or something, but I quite enjoyed it, especially part 2 as it ups the stakes and has the more interesting villains. It has a plot, the panels like the one I posted are used for flashbacks and character introductions.
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>>85530512
Run?
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>>85543059
Did the girl survive that? She apparently has the magic power to make chokers appear at will, so I figure she has pretty impressive reality-shaping powers.
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>>85543103
Possibly, we never see her body. Would that make her a mage or a changeling?
Funny how the artist fucked up there doe, taking a quick skim through the issue he somehow forgot about it in that one very important moment and nowhere else.
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One of my players wants to play a setite, and wanted their sire to be the sheriff. I agreed, because it's not THAT implausible that a setite could achieve a high position in the Camarilla.
However, I can't figure out why my prince would appoint him. The followers are all about corrupting people and using that to take control of them, but what could a Prince possibly want that could lead to him owing a setite so much he makes him the sheriff?
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>>85530251
How do you deal with an MtA player who has 4 in Entropy, and basically is "Luck 20/20"?
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I'm new to v5 and am about to start a campaign. Are there any unique skills/discipline for each clan like the vidya? Can't find anything in the core rulebook.
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>>85543400
Each clan has a set of 3 disciplines that they can pick up during the character creation and they learn easier than others. Technically it's possible to learn any discipline as any clan.
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>>85542834
most background character humans in wod are basically philisophical zombies, being buck broken by the machinations of unseelie creativity raping them, vampires mindbreaking them and pentex turning them into soulless consooomer employees
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>>85543277
Vitae of noteworthy elders, charms to resist the disciplines of rivals, hints to methuselah locations, access to bubastis kinfolk, maybe you went in for that stake-immunity surgery as a neonate.
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>>85543277
First reason that comes to my mind: well, no one else wants the job. The why of that can help you define your own setting.
Were the last few Sherriffs killed with impunity, with no perpetrator caught? Are people considering the Prince's grasp on power is loosening?
Then: the setite would make a terrible scourge, but is actually a very good sherriff: knows all the intrigues, has the finger on the pulse of the city, understands the politics and how things can and should be dealt with.
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Give me your ideas of what to do with a coterie of Toreador, Malkavian and Cammie Lasombra in the New Orleans (dots: 1 in dominate, obtenebration and dementation, 3 in Presence and Auspex) Dubs will be done for sure
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>>85543871
Fuck Toreador, Kill Malk, Marry Lasombra
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>>85544091
No, I'm ST, I'm asking about what ideas have you got for a session. My thought is to face them with a Risen
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>>85544122
Evil Ventrue/Lasombra/Toreador are trying to pin the blame for (insert something here) on the good, honest, Tremere. The coterie somehow finds out about what's going on.
What they do with that is their problem.
Kinda weak, I know. The way we do things is the ST creates a wold that functions more or less independently of the PCs, then add stuff according to what the players think would be interesting to do.
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>>85538101
2nd ed and Revised storyteller's handbook respectively iirc. Could be in w20 core too. The wording was something like "most garou only know about pentex through its subsidiaries"
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>>85543871
There was this plot in BJD of Samedi, Harbingers and Setites coming together and openly practicing necromancy, turning the city into a voodoo central.
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>>85543871
The PCs (most likely the Malk or the Toreador because Auspex) start noticing a weird presence following them. It's always there when they feed.
They may also notice they are feeling hungrier than expected.
It's a Hunger/Pleasure spirit and it has developed a soft spot for the PCs. It also keeps influencing them to feed more and more often.
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>>85542110
Try in newvola. Maybe it's still there. Someone uploaded it (together with M20 Sorcerer) a few days ago.
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>>85530512
Depends on the tribe.
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We're playing a vampire 20 dark ages game and it's my first foray into wod.
I'm wanting to make something like Garrett from the thief series: a professional that steals from what he views as interesting targets be they mundane or supernatural, doesn't kill, and doesn't steal from the poor, and I'm wanting to play him semi mundane in the sense of relying more on skills instead of vampiric powers, since he's somewhat recently turned and has a sense of pride at his talent even before Embrace.
Would such a concept work, or am I going to get fucked by like Auspux or whatever else supernatural characters get and all my focus on natural stealth going to be worthless?
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>>85545386
Yeah it can Perfectly work, as long as you get Obfuscate (which doesn't make investing in Stealth Moot, you NEED stealth to keep up Obfuscate) and don't fuck with, say, Dracula, you should be gucci
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>>85533501
>that one 10 willpower chad who just doesn't give a fuck and continues making coffee when his coworker shifts into a horrific werewolf
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>>85545443
Awesome, thanks. Yeah I already told the other players if they start fucking with things way past my pay grade like Dracula or Merlin I'm going to need a damn good reason to stick around for it, ha
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I'm preparing for a CoD campaign (to be specific Changeling the Lost campaign).
I want to give more equipment to my players.
I figure out that I can convert some stuff from GURPS High-Tech suplement (especially weapons).
Did anybody do such thing before?
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>>85545549
>Combining CoD with GURPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7wcOl7rwIk
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>>85545549
Just use Hurt Locker, Armory, and Armory Reloaded.
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>>85545386
Everything can work but it all depends on the chronicle you're playing. If you're pitted against someone that can see the unseen then sneaking will be worthless.

You can be a melee beast Brujah or Gangrel but if put in a chronicle full of elysium parties or prince court, you'll be next to useless.

Or you can be a scene queen, with influence on the court, multiple contacts, allies and resources, when you're put in a combat gauntlet with no means to contact anyone, you'll be useless again.
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>>85545446
It's the 9 that concerns me. Who sees someone tun into a werewolf and has the immediate reaction of "I want to fight that!"? That's way past mere schizo behaviour.
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>>85545562
I do it mostly for the prices of items.

>>85545588
Thanks! I already get Armory and i thing it will be useful for guns conversion.
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>>85545632
That's the type of guy in years past would have killed a bear, lion or a gorilla unarmed. He's going to turn that wolf skull into a soup bowl and God help whoever gets in his way
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>>85545632
15% of people have 4 and will throw their shoes at a werewolf screaming apparently. I picture the 9s so pissed at werewolves for being real that they're stomping out of the scene to buy guns and Troy ounces and complain to the government.
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>>85545632
>>85545711
>>85545757
Based on the statistics given, if a werewolf is Garou’d out in Houston, Texas, then there are 34500 people in that city that would react to the Garou with seething fury. That’s a fucking lot.
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Question about Werewolf the Apocalypse:

Is there any book which talks about XP or Freebies given to starting characters in higher Ranks?

I know Vampire gives these options for players who wanna play as Elders, but I don't recall the same for Werewolf.
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>>85546012
Not official but a friend offered the following when u was asking help making some level 6 npcs
Attribute: 12/9/6
Ability: 26/18/11

Gifts:
-Cliath: 3 Level Ones
-Fostern: 5 Level Ones, 3 Level Twos
-Adren: 5 Level Ones, 5 Level Twos, 1 Level Three
-Athro: 5 Level Ones, 5 Level Twos, 3 Level Three, 1 Level Four
-Elder: 5 Level Ones, 5 Level Twos, 3 Level Three, 3 Level Fours, 1 Level Five
-Legend: 5 Level Ones, 5 Level Twos, 5 Level Three, 3 Level Fours, 3 Level 5 Five, 1 Level 6
I have smaller values for lower ranks
Oh and Rage and Gnosis at 8-10 each
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I don't really understand how NewVola works, someone said the M20 Sorcerers book was there but I'm not seeing it?
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>>85543871
Reports of the Grunch taking people into the swamp nearby, but its actually a feral older generation Nossie

>>85545632
isn't the delirium a "genetic memory" thing from the genocide changing breeds commited against humans? I think the 2nd highest willpower instead using that event for bloodlust is pretty sweet
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Ghouling can extend life right, but does it stunt growth if someone younger was taking vitae?
Could a vampire keep a ghoul looking 20 forever?
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>>85546095
Oh, this is neat! Thanks a bunch!
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>>85545632
I feel like the kind of person who wants to try and kill a werewolf will have already been stocking up on silver to end the fed, a dangerous combination.
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>>85546434
>Could a vampire keep a ghoul looking 20 forever?
According to V5, yes.
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>>85546489
>a dangerous combination
For the werewolf.
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>>85546389
What's the Grunch?
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>>85546512
https://exemplore.com/cryptids/The-Grunch-A-Chupacabra-on-the-Bayou

Swamp cryptid
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>>85546434
For VtM, per the findings of Dr. Douglas Netchurch, ghouls don't age or mature at all from the moment they receive a blood point until they don't have a blood point. Revenants and dhampirs work different.
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>>85546585
What the fuck am I reading
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>>85546585
>The fetus, for one, may well develop the typical ghoul's affinity for superhuman strength, often with gruesome results.
lol
lmao
>captcha: XD
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>>85546434
Yes. Ghouls can looking the same age at the momento they receive blood.
V5 changed that because the game does not want to deal with methuselah Ghouls.
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If I want to have high appearance and solve every problem with my bubble butt, what clan should I play?
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>>85546729
Samedi, drop the high apperance, and make your butt have multiple pockets with Hag's Wrinkles and have loads of solutions hidden in there, utility-butt
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>>85546600
The Vampire Journal of Biological Science. If you thought about farming cells from endless ghoul placentas then that was your own sick brain.
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>>85546729
Tzimisce, not just because you can make your butt bigger, but because you can have multiple ass cheeks covering your body. Being limited by number is a sign of meek character.
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>>85546753
Look, anon, all I want to do is be a fucking sorcerer
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>>85545446
>>85545632
>a coffee shop filled with 9s and one 10
Hope that Starbucks filed for insurance
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>>85546729
Tzimisce.
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In CofD, which splats could actually be considered more or less “human”?
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>>85546916
>the 9 willpower men just taking turns beating a werewolf to death while the 10 finally finishes making drinks and uploads the footage to world star hip hop
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What's a good concept for a Prince who isn't just LaCroix from VTMB?
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>>85546984
How are you defining "human"?
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>>85534730
It's funny that only on /tg/ do I see this rampant delirium that v5 is some universally hated product that tanks with every release, despite every single book after the first three making enough in crowdfunding alone to be successful, and most of the spin-off material has also been well received and financially successful, except that crappy BR that's recently fallen off the deep end.
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>>85547122
>Feels real emotions
>Has a rational and logical mind
>Feel empathy and sympathy towards mortals and sentient things
I feel like this is a decent baseline
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>>85547197
Couldn't that be any splat? Like a vampire/mage/werewolf that protects mortals and has high willpower to ignore base instinct?
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>>85547225
Well I know at least that Vampires don’t feel real emotions, so they’re disqualified. I can’t remember if prometheans do or not
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>>85534701
Or WoD in general.
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I know people talk about how CofD has barely any detailed lore compared to oWoD as a bad thing, but does anyone else here actually prefer it? I find that it gives just enough to let me work with the setting, while not having so much as to be really constrictive
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>>85547197
Literally every splat then.

>>85547241
That garbage was dropped in 2e.

>>85547321
I prefer the settings too.
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>>85547321
Same, i never liked opressively detailed settings in any game. At that point i can just read a book or play a video game, just let me make my own stuff
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>>85547381
>That garbage was dropped in 2e.
Oh really? Well yeah that makes things a lot simpler then.
>I prefer the settings too.
Nta but what’s your favorite splats?
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So my V5 chronicle is continuing, and one of my buddies actually said I'm better than a lot of DMs he's had over the years. It really made me proud.

Still, figured I'd share some highlights from our last session since it was kind of fun.

>Players are sent to Hollywood to figure out who's been distributing drugs around L.A.
>Told to get into Vesuvius
>Vesuvius has a long line with a tough-looking bouncer guarding the door.
>Players see Violet by a side entrance, she tells them to go see Isaac Abrams if they want a way in
>Players go do it.
>Get to Isaac's house
>See a man leaving, closing the door behind him.
>Describe him as having long, shoulder-length black hair, a neatly trimmed goatee
>Players worry he's either a hunter or Isaac himself (none of 'em played Bloodlines)
>Malkavian rushes out of the car to confront him
>"Excuse me! A moment of your time?"
>"Oh, are you here to see Isaac?"
>Put on my best Keanu voice
>Player's eyes go wide
>It's Keanu Reeves
>The fanboy over him
>Take a fucking selfie with him
>After a brief convo learning Isaac is depressed they go meet him
>He's ranting that Disney wants to remake Citizen Kane. With a CGI'd in Orson Welles
>Talks about how creativity is dead in Hollywood and it's all comic books and remakes.
>Tells them to pick up Orson Welles and let him give a Disney Exec a piece of his mind.
>They go to the Hollywood celebrity cemetary.
>Romero opens the gate for them and tells them good luck, he's got a hooker to fuck
>Right on time the undead rise from their graves
>Players splatter Charlie Chaplin's brains against a tombstone.
>Zombie Michael Jackson (that Romero tastelessly dressed in the Thriller Jacket) tears into our Zoomer Gangrel's shoulder
>Nos hops from tombstone to tombstone trying to find Orson
>Malkavian almost gets ripped apart by Zombie Steve McQueen and Stanley Kubrick
>Saves himself with Dominate
>They get Orson, gtfo, and have him eat a Disney Exec.
It was fun.
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>>85547410
Vampire through sheer volume of high quality material, Demon through consistent overall quality of its material, and Deviant for being the single best core book and having the most interesting power set. I also really like all the others bar Mage and Changeling, they're both meh. I tend to forget Beast exists.
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>>85546984
I would consider all except for woofs, prometheans and mages to be human
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>>85547453
>Vampire through sheer volume of high quality material
Vampire was the first splat I decided to read beyond CtL, since I’m in a CtL game. I still remember the sheer terror I felt after I had downloaded all of the sourcebooks, there’s like 35 of them. I thought it’d be like CtL and have only like 8, I was super fucking wrong. I’ve only read the core and the Daeva book. There’s just so fucking much
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>>85547321
I like cofd a ton more with their Hunter stuff because you can salt and pepper it easier due to no meta plot and can just take bits and pieces that actually appeal to you as you want
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Is Aegis Kai Doru the fifth Order that the Free Council took the place of?
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Why do people tell me I’m either toreador or Tzimisce? Am I a Zantosa?
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>>85547671
Volgirre
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>>85547671
They are calling you creepy and obsessive
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>>85547671
They are calling you mysterious and passionate
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Here's your frontal butt, sir.
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Aside from perhaps being a vagrant autarkis that never interacts with other vampires, how are you really supposed to practically follow the Path of Entelechy? Anywhere with vampires will be filled to the brim with violent crime against an innocent and you can't possibly deal with this and survive. At least the other really dubious paths have their own sects or independent clans where this'll fly if you stick to them.
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>>85548196
A lot of the paths are really dumb, if you start asking questions like that we're gonna be here all night.
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>>85531171
>Cochise Tradition of North America, possibly as early as 4000 B.C
no
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>>85532104
>his dominators
Domitor, the word is Domitor
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>>85548196
I guess maybe if you're a vampire working with the inquisition or fringe cases. Not every road seems fit for every campaign, like if you picked the Judaism one and you were the only jew in Africa or something
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>>85547408
>Implying someone with this fantasy wouldn't have it pre-made on an isolinear chip they keep locked in their quarters
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>>85547321
I really like the way it gives you options and interesting choices. It's not that it has "no lore," but that the lore options it presents give you a lot of interesting seeds you can mix and match for your own campaigns.
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>>85533957
No, you should recognize that their society contains many individuals and strains of belief, within some very strict limits. You can absolutely meet Garou who think humans and all their works need to be culled, and Garou who are never without their cellular phone and still maintain an approximation of family life. You can meet Garou that insist they are 150% the good guys always, and Garou who recognize that their people have fucked up immensely.

But if any of these individuals try to reject the greater society's mores, they find themselves running headlong into obstacles. Ancestor and Totem spirits that enforce a millennia-old status quo, and can tattle on troublemakers. A hidebound culture informed heavily by those spirits, and by the needs of war-time. And widespread indoctrination, sometimes with supernatural potency, or merely from the natural trauma, isolation, and tutelage of the First Change and Rite of Passage. If someone is going to remain part of the Garou Nation (being a Ronin sucks), they eventually reconcile themselves with the things they cannot realistically change. Maybe they content themselves with small changes or personal adherence. Sort of like real life, minus the spirits

This is actually a plot point in our current Werewolf chronicle. One of the PCs had an older brother, whose pack were constantly rebelling against the elders and their ideas. Some bad shit went down, now the brother is in exile, and our packmate needs help to find him.
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>>85545386
a vampire that doesnt kill? bold move, cotton. lets see how it plays out
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>>85547435
a fun romp
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>>85548298
>He doesn't think the First City predates Gobekli Tepe
>He doesn't think the Antediluvians were embraced in the Younger Dryas

ngmi
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>>85548581
Thanks.

They're gonna finish up Act 1 soon. I'm thinking Act 2 is gonna be a buildup of everything going wrong. Act 3 is gonna be a quick shit hits the fan sorta deal.

But I want it to end on a suitably climactic note. I'm thinking of a duel. Quickdraw at High Moon. No idea if that'd be able to "work" with Vamps unless they were aiming for each others' heart/head.
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Hi all. In my chronicle for Mage: Ascension, my character has a mentor 10. This mentor needs my mage for some mysterious purposes. Who and from what setting can this mentor be? From what he did - when he needed my character to tell the truth, he did something through his eyes - and my character got Paradox and Static Resonance, and then told the truth. The mentor also seems not at all surprised by the Paradigm of my Son of Ether, as if he knows what my character knows, and teaches magic very quickly. Also among the subordinates of my mentor are fairies, a mummy and a werewolf fianna.
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>>85548502
Hoping with 9 willpower and the efficient digestion merit i'll do ok on my self imposed challenge
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>>85548651
probably an archmage or oracle
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>>85530799
Life if you just want to raise your appearance attribute, mind if you want to make someone think you're more attractive than you are.
Matter would only really come in to play for corpses/vampires.
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As I understand from vtmb, vampires get hurt when understand direct sunlight. But away from standing directly beneath the suns rays, can a vampire look outside his window while it is morning or does he still burn up? If so, I guess morning itself is a danger to vampires, and not just a time when they are typically asleep?
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>>85543059
Thanks for the response. I checked out it's Wikipedia article last night actually, the books have a ton of acclaim apparently so I'll check out a few issues soon.
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>>85530512
Hopefully a bone gnawer or a glass walker or a fianna, they seem to be the most chill. Of those three though, the bone gnawers seem like the most pleasant company to walk around the city with and just shoot the shit over a few beers and joints.
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>>85545446
What would be the in lore implications of a human like that? Just a regular dude with no reaction to seeing a werewolf tear up his fomori Co worker. What is that niggas problem?
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Can you play Hunter: The Reckoning without the Messanger bullshit or is better to just go with Hunter: The Vigil?
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>>85549225
Indirect sunlight is less damage and a lower difficulty to soak, if you have some way to soak aggravated damage, but yeah. The first beam of dawn leaking in between the window blinds and reflecting off a picture frame in the hallway can kill you, it's a serious weakness.
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>>85546434
Is it possible to ever recover from vampire blood withdrawal?
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>>85549321
Look man he only gets two 10 minute breaks a day and what happens during them is not his problem
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Are there any Gangrel who act like fuckable doggos?
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>>85549443
Most of them, actually
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So that one Changeling the Lost merit that lets you get a sixth dot in a single attribute has gotten me thinking; how would having a sixth dot manifest itself for each attribute?
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>>85538918
Zoiboy
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>>85549502
>So that one Changeling the Lost merit that lets you get a sixth dot in a single attribute
Is that the one from Hill's version?
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>>85549525
No idea what Hill’s version is. It’s in Rites of Spring
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>Quiz says I'm an Eshu
ayo where da fianna women at
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>>85548999
No, not the Oracle or the Archmage, at least for now. Actually, we play RWBI in the World of Darkness and this mentor 10 is Ozpin. But who is he and from what lineage is the main question.
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>>85549558
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>>85530251
>try to read chronicles mages
The fuck is this faggot shit. What was the best owod version of mages anyway.
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>>85549541
I thought you were talking about 2e.
But yeah, it's a cool merit anyway, no idea why it was dropped in 2e.
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>>85547453
>the most interesting power set
Found the power gamer.

Having the ability to do dozens of agg as a starting character doesn't make a power set "interesting".
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>>85549816
It's particularly confusing since werewolves have a merit just like that.
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>>85549839
Beasts too.
I hope Kith and Kin gives us lots of good merits.
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>>85549910
I'm just hoping the book actually gets published.
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>>85549979
Kith and Kin is already in proofing.
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>>85550030
I'll believe it when I see it. Until then it's a myth and/or a lie.
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honestly I just have too say this

Lasombra being Camarilla is way better than them being in the sabbat. it made no sense that a clan that is supposed to be insanely powerhungry and egoistic would be in an organisation like the sabbat which is all about freedom and cooperation. not to mention that it truly makes the Camarilla into the establishment as they would have both the clans that control most of the temporal powers and the one that controls the spiritual powers in the same sect.
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>>85550078
>and the one that controls the spiritual powers in the same sect.
>trannymisce butthurt intensifies
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>>85547671
Any, really. Generally its hard to tell what "clan" a vampire is just by looking. Could be a Malkie obcessed with body modification or even a Nossie using Obfuscate.
Personally, I like the idea of that character being an alpha-femme gangrel luring in simps to feed.
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Does anyone have any Ascension stories? My mage might be nearing that point in the future and I wanna know a bit more so I know how to handle it.

Also the answer is the Sons of Ether or the Hermetics. Tomboy Steampunk or Nerdy Witches
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>>85550078
ONE. ONE aspect of the sabbat preaches Freedom and Cooperation, you'll find that at least 25% of the sabbat wants to turn it into the fourth reich

also i don't really see the "insanely powerhungry and egoistic" clan hiding behind the mask of "humanity", like 80% of the members of clan Lasombra who actually amount to something are knees deep in some of the most horryfing and inhumane roads that the setting has to offer, shit that's INCOMPATIBLE with the masquerade, like what the fuck, how is the local Abyss Mysticism practitioner even allowed to step foot outside his house without getting gutted by the sheriff? that dude is an even worse masquerade breach than the fucking Nosferatu

also you fell for the false dichotomy of
>Ventrue = State
>Lasombra = Church
which is WRONG and DUMB
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>>85550170
one of those women who lures in simps would be a good concept for a Ventrue. her kingdom is onlyfans and her subjects are simps,
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>>85550205
the entirety of clan Nosferatu are a masquerade breach and the Camarilla can handle them, so why would they care if the Lasombra are doing shit that can break the masquerade as long as they keep it hidden? the tremere does it after all.
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What kind of music do changelings listen to?
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>>85550258
They listen to radio kreiz breizh
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>>85550227
Apples to Oranges
the nosferatu have proved themselves more than capable to be a non issues, and the first rule that any Non-Sabbat nosferatu nails into the skull of a new childe is "Don't get caught or i swear to god i'll kill you myself", plus their underground sewer kingdoms have proven more than efficent at hiding all the sewer rats
And the Tremere are only playing nice because they're on thin fucking ice and because Them doing their shit in secret and not showin off serves the primary pourpous of ensuring that all their knowledge remains inside house Tremere, outside of the camarilla, like in House Goratrix, they also don't give two shits about the masquerade

Clan Lasombra, on the other hand, just plainly doesn't care, and while they have the decency of keeping their shadow dicks in their pants most of the time, it's not like they're averse at going full shadow monster and tentacle rape a whole block, or letting slip a bunch of vampire goons to go play IRL GTA just to remind the local cattle that they need to FEAR that which goes bump in the night
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>>85550258
visual kei
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Best out of path Arcana for a mastigos?
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>>85548593
According to the vague timeline we're given, the First City doesn't even pre-date Dynastic Egypt.
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>>85550768
thats bullshit, the first city should be the first fucking city!
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>>85534574
Oh yes.. I imagine.
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>>85536101
This is correct, however the thing about schizophrenics is that quite often, they just WON'T question their perceptions, even if they know they are mentally ill and the nature of that illness. And when things start getting bad, they will stop taking their meds, even though they understand why they should be taking them. And then shit spirals out of control. It's a cycle.
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>>85550768
Yeah, but that's not hard fact, it's guestimation by biblically-biased Noddists. There's a passage in the Book of Nod itself that claims there was an entire first wave of 4th gens so ancient none awake have survived into the modern nights.

And besides, it adds to the horror of the setting making things that much more ancient. So we changed it to make the timeline of vampirism older and much more malevolent. and I've always liked ancient pre-cursor civilizations

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>>85550922
These guys get it.
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Why did >>85550922 get deleted?
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>>85550798
Yeah, this
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>>85551026
Mistype.
>>85551007
Honestly? I prefer the other way around. owod is not supposed to be our world so why not make different enough that biblical timelines are actually accurate?
I know changing shit like this opens all types of problems but It sounds like a interesting angle.
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>>85531686
>WTA
Gaia created the werewolves as warriors to fight for her, and Luna is their patron. There's these three things called the Wyld, the Weaver, and the Wyrm. The Wyld creates, the Weaver organizes, the Wyrm destroys. The Weaver got sick of the chaos that the other two were creating and tried to capture the Wyld, but the Wyld excaped. Then tried to capture the Wyrm, and succeeded, and in its captivity the Wyrm turned evil from hatred. Eventually they Wyrm escaped as well, but is now evil. The Wyrm is behind companies that pollute the Earth, and also vampires, and also corrupted one clan of werewolves. As servants of Gaia, your job is to protect her, which means thwarting the Wyrm however you can. Basically, yes, that means you're an ecoterrorist.

>WTF
Luna married Father Wolf back a long time ago when Pangaea still existed. They had eight children of relevance. Father Wolf was the most fearsome predator, and kept the real world apart from the spirit world. Eventually he got too old and weak and 5 of his children rose up and slew him. In her grief and anger Luna then cursed the children she bore; this is the curse of werewolfism. You play as a descendant (or something) of one of those 5 wolves. The other three children did not commit patricide, but are still cursed, and you're supposed to think they're evil or something, idk. Meanwhile you perform spiritual border patrol? I guess?
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>>85551479
>The other three children did not commit patricide, but are still cursed, and you're supposed to think they're evil or something, idk.
I’ve been reading the WtF book and that’s one thing that i’m still a but confused about. Why the fuck are the tribes that killed Father Wolf the good guys and the ones who didn’t kill their dad the bad guys?
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>>85551497
The old guy had to go
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>>85551479
>You play as a descendant (or something) of one of those 5 wolves. The other three children did not commit patricide, but are still cursed, and you're supposed to think they're evil or something, idk. Meanwhile you perform spiritual border patrol? I guess?
All Uratha were cursed, but the ones who did it vowed to always do Father Wolf's duty and gained leniency from Luna for it. The Pure refused to do so.

>>85551497
Because the balance and separation of the Spirit and physical worlds is critical to reality staying right, and the Pure think wiping out the Uratha loyal to the duty will bring back the spirit utopia of Pangaea.
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>>85551551
Alright fair enough, that makes sense

I haven’t gone through the whole of the core book yet, but another question I have is; where did the human part come from? Hell, where did the material wolf part come from? Father Wolf and Mother Luna are both Spirits right? If so, where did all the flesh come from? Especially the human part
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Where is Hedgefag?
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>>85551597
Father wolf was something weirder than a spirit. It was a Pangean (see Dark Eras).
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>>85551650
New jannies are retards and probably banned him.
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>>85551700
Oh shit, is this what they meant by “Old Gods” when it comes to that one Archmage faction?
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>>85551007
>but that's not hard fact, it's guestimation by biblically-biased Noddists
People miss the point about WoD's lore. It's inaccurate and contradictory on purpose, so that you can change it to suit what you want. In your game it can pre-date Sumeria, in someone else's the Noddists are just wrong, and in someone else's still Caine and the subsequent generations were just prideful liars that claimed they lorded over the first city.
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>>85551650
He is being hunted ;_;
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Does anyone have art that would fit a Lasombra George Washington? There's the Assassin's Creed thing but I dunno about that.
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>>85551725
I think the "Old Gods" were beings from the supernal the Exarchs kicked out.
The Pangeans were something else (but the could use Arcana).
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>>85551713
>>85551730
But why
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>>85551747
Oh yeah, I forgot that they were specified to be supernal beings. Is there any more info on that though?
>but the could use Arcana
Now that’s fucking interesting, did they explain how?
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>>85551797
I don't remember, to be honest. Read the first scenario in Dark Eras 1, anon. It's good.

>>85551794
Just think about the kind of people who would want to be jannies.
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>>85551797
Here's Chris Allen's take on a Pangean:
https://textsaver.flap.tv/lists/4yx6
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>>85550258
Youre asking the wrong question. It should be what do each of the individual kiths listen to.
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>>85551964
Pretty neat stuff.
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>>85552229
Here's Snake (Bird's eternal enemy)
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>>85552290
Fuck, forgot link: https://textsaver.flap.tv/lists/4yx8
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>>85552295
we all derp out every once in a wile. to be frank I have said some incredibly retarded shit I rather forget.
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if I ever run a Requiem Game I might just rip the lore of Legacy of Kain's vampires off for the origin, with the Strix being related to the demons the Ancient Pre-Vampires fought against and cursed in the first place
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>>85552345
Every night I can't stop remembering my failures- and they are legion.
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>>85552359
Sounds pretty neat. any idea how you would reveal that stuff to the players? presuming that there they are playing in a modern setting.
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>>85552369
It is nice to see I'm not the only one dealing with that type of shit. I hope your situation gets better.
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>>85552400
That's anxiety/depression.
Ketamine does help, if you can get some.
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>>85551007
>and I've always liked ancient pre-cursor civilizations
You should play Mage: the Awakening then
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>>85551797
>Now that’s fucking interesting, did they explain how?
I think it's because they are pure represenations of a concept in the fallen.
They can also travel through astral space, since their hearts are beacons for demesnes. They are weird as hell.
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>>85549347
>Can you play Hunter: The Reckoning without the Messanger bullshit
Hunter 5e is literally this
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>>85552382
Maybe some ancient ruins that date before the paleolithic get discovered and have murals and shit.
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>>85552532
Yeah. But Hunter 5e is also literally without a system for designing monsters. So your options are:
Use the ones in the book (including the haunted shit house, and the spooky mexican smugglers)
Invent new stuff without any mechanical support.
Vigil is better.
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>>85552532
>>85549347
If he really wants oWoD, but not Reckoning, and also doesn't want to do the teeny bit of extra effort to make Vigil oWoD, I'll honestly throw Hunters Hunted V20 into the ring.

It's basically Vigil but in oWoD in terms of being humans with maybe a weird psychic power or two, and since it's in the 20th system you'll have no trouble just grabbing stuff from other books for it.
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>>85549347
You can't really, Reckoning is specifically about the Sixth Great Maelstrom and its fallout. There is some intelligence that is selecting people to imbue and directing them towards Hunter-net, it doesn't really get how humans think or if it could be communicating more effectively, and it doesn't do anything to save hunters from becoming schizo fugitives.
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>>85552574
so basically a cain free take on the first city?
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>>85552574
How about a vampiric city to rival Irem?
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>>85552815
sounds solid, I was pondering an Atlantis/Ancient Athenians vibe, (as in the fictional vision of Ancient Athens Plato came up with) implying they might have inspired those legends without saying anything, maybe some hints to a connection with Pangaea
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>>85552885
If you want an Atlantis vibe, I recommend Crete. That place has some proper ancient settlements.
The border area of Turkey/Syria/Iraq also has some really old shit. Could put the vampire city as a rival to Irem at the other end of the ancient lands.
I'm doing pretty much this in my long-running Requiem game, but I just straight up made it one of the old cities of Sumer. I gave the vampires some great underground cities there, held up by now-forgotten blood magic.
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>>85552921
well another idea I was thinking was just fictional city older then any other in human history, like before any civilization SHOULD exist to our understanding.
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>>85552931
That's probably the best idea. I leaned into the fact that these real cities are just so damned old.
But yeah, going full Lovecraft is a really great idea here.
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>>85552977
and keeping with the LoK inspiration, the implication that what were once seen as angels are vampires, has a lovecraftian element to it.

which of the clans should be closest to the truth?
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>>85552986
Daeva. Definitely.
Majesty is literally awesome, and their name means divine, or devilish, depending on what path of linguistic weirdness you travel down.
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>>85553001
I mean, both meanings could very easily be true for literal fallen angels here.
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>>85553012
Yeah. It is the word base for both Divine and Devil. It's definitely connected to the fallen godly.
Or you can just go "it's all of them".
They all picked up different traits from the fall. The Daeva retained most of the divine traits, but that's not a good thing.
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>>85552359
>Requiem with Legacy of Kain lore
I want the ancient history concealed from everyone but for the reflections of it still left in the wraithly underworld, otherworldly ruins of it going down and down to where an eldritch parasite attached itself, until I worry about recreating Enoch and Tal'mahe'ra.
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>>85553021
they got the surface level divinity, but none of the nobility
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>>85553038
Yeah. Exactly. They lost the depths and the feeling. And the Mekhet lost the light, the Nosferatu the beauty, and the Gangrel the humanity.
And Strix lost their flesh, perhaps?
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>>85553063
that seems like a solid set up, following the inspiration, these divided cursed ones became sterile and had to invent passing the curse in a desperate bid to continue, and over time, these origins and the meaning were forgotten, but low key, a goal could be restoring a vampire to this Ur state
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>>85553079
And buried in a tomb somewhere is a perfect vampire, who still holds onto a fraction of that divinity, being the perfect fusion of the four ancient clans (Julii and Ventrue are a mess. I consider them more modern, but ofc, you can do something with them if you wish).
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>>85553092
I intend to take advantage of the sandbox thing, potentially let modern ones just be offshoots and such, im not a Requiem Expert, I was just thinking of something to make use of lore that's not shackled to Cain.
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>>85553163
Yeah. Probably a good idea. I have a tendency to go myth building whenever I start on something.
Either way, I wish you the best of luck on this project. Vampires as fallen angels is a neat concept.
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>>85536480
I keep playing around with this idea of a Professional "Vanisher" with high Larsoney, who takes people from the mortal/supernatural underworld and sets them up with whole new identity in a literal way

I find myself fiddling around with character details and elaborately planning out how the operation would look with varying levels of scope
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>>85550199
Bro, Ascending just means your Mage becomes a Mary Sue with Plot Armor 10.
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>>85551794
I suspect if he has been banned it'll be two parts. He constant obsession with monster boy bait, it's both off topic and low quality. I wouldn't be surprised if enforcement of avatar and signature rules have expanded so dickheads like hedgefag or 2hu are actually getting banned for it now too.
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>>85551597
>>85551797
Pangeans are rad. While the best way to think about spirits is reflections of concepts, so a wolf spirit is like a wolf but not a wolf, the best way to think about Pangeans is as the concept themselves. Urfarah isn't *a* wolf he just is *Wolf*. They do share some common traits with spirits but they're an entirely separate thing.

Notably they're always solid in either realm they exist in, Twilight is for spirits, and as they're more physical than spirits are mages that which to use magic on them need Spirit and Life or Matter. They also never bleed Essence unless in the Astral. They get Influences and Numina like spirits do but also Arcana equal to their Rank, use Rank in place of Gnoisis, and most Pangaeans are usually Rank 5+ with none existing below 3. They can meditate themselves into Temenos and Anima Mundi, like their actual bodies, and they treat themselves as Demesnes for it. They can leave at will too. They can also enter Oneiros through Temenos as Mages can. So they've got some very powerful stuff going on, which is what you'd expect for primeval gods of nature. Of course they're all likely to have unique abilities on top of this stuff too as these sorts of creatures do.

They also die in weirder ways than spirits do. They don't discorporate in the same way but leave a physical carcass behind that will rot and decay, eventually becoming a giant skeleton. This process of decay takes centuries but more interestingly they leave behind their soul as a physical thing and so long as the heart remains with the carcass they can reform after discorporation, you can remove the heart to stop that but so long as the body is still there you can bring it back and give them life.

The natural weapons of the Uratha, regardless of honorary Rank, are banes to all of them too. Sometimes balance involved killing gods, and it's also why the Uratha were able to kill Urfarah in the first place. It's what they were made for.
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>>85551725
As the other anon said but Pangaeans are believed to be "fallen inhabitants of the Supernal World, trapped between Flesh and Shadow by the end of the Time Before." by some Neolithic mages.
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>>85549502
Always as super human, borderline magical, but always still believable due to the mask.

>>85549517
Borzoi a cute

>>85549816
To make buying wyrd have at least 1 upside
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>>85550258
Whatever they like as an individual
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>>85546495
>sometime even setting the clock back a few years
>ghoulify hot 18 (21 where applicable) y/o
>rejuvenates couple years into a literal child
wouldn't that be funny, haha



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