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Oldhammer General, "Realms Of Chaos" Edition

Oldhammer thread for 40k, Fantasy or any of the side games stuff of that era. Middlehammer also fairly welcome.

Oldhammer forum: http://forum.oldhammer.org.uk/
40k 2E subforum, sees some activity:http://www.wargamerau.com/forum/index.php?s=c924609f306deccaaf00d947c986528a&showforum=403

Oldhammer blogs (share any good ones you know of!):

Previous Threads:
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Retailers of miniatures:



The Lost Minis wiki for cataloguing really old miniatures:
More reading material:

Useful 3d Printable parts and miniatures:


Actual scans of various old plastic parts:
Anyone know of any good sources of oldhammer style alternate dwarf miniatures? i like my dwarfs with big beards and i cannot lie. I ordered some from eoeorbis 11 days ago but i know its gonna be a lot longer a wait and the itch to paint new dwarfs can't wait much longer.
There's a whole bunch out there but they're a bit scattered.
Couple of ranges I can remember offhand:
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>Anyone know of any good sources of oldhammer style alternate dwarf miniatures?
Bob Olley used to sculpt Dwarfs for Iron Claw/Citadel back in the day. He's still at it.
Forgot last thread was dead, woops

>In earlier editions, Independent characters were meant to join and lead squads, allowing that squad to benefit from their Leadership value and possibly some nifty wargear they might be carrying. The designers envisioned them getting stuck in and leading from the front, resulting in epic showdowns with their minions swirling around them... but it rarely worked that way. When the Second Edition Eldar codex came out, and suddenly characters with a Ballistics Skill of 7 started toting around the equivalent of heavy weapons (the Maugetar, Firepike, Brightlance, etc.), they even instituted special rules to tone down the obvious strategy of having your characters sit in the back and snipe the most interesting thing still standing in the opposing army.
First of all, thanks for answering!
Didn't they have a similar system back then where you can't target a character if he's in a unit? That's what I remember from fifth. Nowadays it's literally if they're anywhere near a grunt unit.
So my best bet is to think of what I want to do with my characters, and use them that way? So, stick my captain with a squad that really needs to land those hits, then he can hoof it to another if they need him? Also, Chaplain in Termie Armour accompanying Deathwing seems like a no brainer for that *teleports behind you and smacks you off the board* manuever.
I suppose just stacking all your characters into one death ball and bumrushing up the board is good in a few situations I guess as well, since it's such overwhelming force in such a small area you can just punch right through.
>First of all, thanks for answering!
You're welcome.

>Didn't they have a similar system back then where you can't target a character if he's in a unit? That's what I remember from fifth.
You couldn't shoot him unless you dropped a blast marker or laid a template over the unit he was in and happened to get everybody. If you were in base-to-base contact, though, which was the indicator that melee was taking place (as opposed to the "Engagement Range" rule we use now), a model in base contact with a character could throw all of his attacks at that character even if he were also in base-to-base contact with members of an enemy squad.

>Nowadays it's literally if they're anywhere near a grunt unit.
The "Look out, sir!" rule is there specifically because characters no longer join units like they did in earlier editions. If they were part of a squad, it would be up to the defending player to decide which models had gotten hit, not the shooter. There are some units in the current rules that can ignore this, though; they usually represent some kind of sniper or marksman role like Space Marine Eliminators.

>So my best bet is to think of what I want to do with my characters, and use them that way? So, stick my captain with a squad that really needs to land those hits, then he can hoof it to another if they need him? Also, Chaplain in Termie Armour accompanying Deathwing seems like a no brainer for that *teleports behind you and smacks you off the board* manuever.
For Space Marines, it was almost always advantageous to have a character join a squad, even if it was just so they could all ride in the same tank.

>I suppose just stacking all your characters into one death ball and bumrushing up the board is good in a few situations I guess as well, since it's such overwhelming force in such a small area you can just punch right through.
Are you using Oldhammer-style rules, though? Be careful your opponent does start dropping blast markers or templates on them!
>You couldn't shoot him unless you dropped a blast marker or laid a template over the unit he was in and happened to get everybody.
GW even introduced rules later that allowed the defending player to reposition a blast marker placed by the opponent provided it covered the same number of models, just to prevent some Imperial Guard wise-ass from aiming at all the character models with his Basilisk's Strength 9 Earthshaker Cannon.
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Chaos Banelord, Titan of Khorne
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Still looking for good battle report recommendations, in White Dwarf or otherwise, if anyone knows any.
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>Still looking for good battle report recommendations, in White Dwarf or otherwise, if anyone knows any.
I took my car in to be serviced at the garage today, and read through the battle report in White Dwarf 180 - Second Edition, Fred Reed's Howling Griffons vs. Adrian Wood's Orks. The battle report begins on page 52.

>White Dwarf 180 [DEC 1994] (PDF, 26.9 MB)
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I play RoC but only the fantasy version.
Does that count?
White Dwarf 166 features the first Second Edition Battle Report, in which Jervis Johnson's Ork Weirdboy famously took Andy Chambers' Blood Angels Captain Erasmus Tycho out with a psychic bolt in the game's first turn. Can't believe I don't have a digital copy of that one.
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The Battle of Anurell's Tomb for 4th Edition WHFB featured in WD 164. The High Elves defended a tomb from an approaching Chaos Dwarf army.

>White Dwarf 164 [AUG 1993] (PDF, 48.3 MB)
>the painted back board
>the hard flocking and turf
>the lighter colors and stronger shapes

Its perfect
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That's a hell of a cover

It was scenes like that which sold me on High Elves as my first foray into fantasy battles. I found most of the army again fairly recently. Unlike others I had I think they're destined for a stripping and repainting though as...yeah. Not nearly as ok as the brain wanted to remember them looking as it was before I worked out how to layer colour properly.
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>That's a hell of a cover
If you ever played the original Adeptus Titanicus with the multi-part push-fit plastic Warlord-class Titans, you can tell that cover artist Gerry Grace extensively used those models for reference, right down to the way the plastic weapons fit in the shoulder and carapace sockets.
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if i have a bunch of rogue trader era models, is there a good way to get them scanned to be enjoyed by all?
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You can send them to someone who has the equipment or spend good money on it yourself
How do you go from this
to this
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Dunno, I gave up on Warhammer Fantasy back when 7th edition was new. I saw they blew it all up, you maniac's it but never gave a fig for the replacement either.
I feel like I got shuffled off into a corner to die.

I never really had anything else, and they took it from me. They made it about them. It was our thing and they took it, and there isn't a damn thing I can do about it.
40k wiki in all its fanon-ness likes to say this is saturnine pattern and headcanon across the internet has gone with it

But is there ever any statement as to what pattern terminator armour this is?
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1 cool thing in the new one is under-the-sea elves.

Is there a rule in WF you'd say's more lore flavorful than Orc Animosity?
Well you can always find support in this thread anon, after all this thing of ours will never die if we keep it alive in our hearts
Maybe Jes Goodwin scribbled that in his notes somewhere.
This art makes the OG pink horrors look surprisingly good as I'd consider them goofy normally.
Lol what's up with the dude on the top right dem googly eyes.
I've always wondered, what are those little slots in the titan bases?
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>I've always wondered, what are those little slots in the titan bases?
Titans and other massive super-heavy vehicles like the Capitol Imperialis are protected by large shimmering barriers called Void Shields. Void Shields can absorb a certain amount of energy before they flicker and disperse, leaving the Titan vulnerable - which is why most Titans have several, layered over each other like the skin of an onion. When each shield gets knocked down, the crew try to restore it by re-routing power directly from the plasma reactor, engaging emergency cooling systems, etc.

In the game, this is represented by each Titan starting the battle with its maximum number of Void Shields up, and that they may get knocked down by enemy fire. Afterward, the Titan crew may attempt to restore them; you get to roll for this, modified by things like stopping the Titan and using energy from the motive systems to give you a bonus, and so on.

The base of the old Titan models is hollow, sandwiched together with a thin cardstock dial in between that has numbers on it. There's a "window" cut out of the base that shows you the Titan's current number of operating Void Shields, and you rotate the dial to increase or decrease the number which appears in the window.
>The base of the old Titan models is hollow, sandwiched together with a thin cardstock dial in between that has numbers on it. There's a "window" cut out of the base that shows you the Titan's current number of operating Void Shields, and you rotate the dial to increase or decrease the number which appears in the window.
You can see them really clearly in this photograph.
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>Is there a rule in WF you'd say's more lore flavorful than Orc Animosity?

Animosity just means they're pretty much the only army with mandatory command and control problems which always seemed odd to me given the other big candidates for it (chaos, skaven) just kinda bypass that stuff.

For me though my favourite was unfortunately post-oldhammer era, in being the Empire's detachment system, which actually made it entirely possible to use a balanced army and be successful with it, overcoming the mediocrity of their infantry stats through teamwork. Given how the Empire in the 4/5th editions had been pretty much driven to rely on all it's specialist troops (Dwarfs, Halflings, Ogres, Knights) and warmachines instead of regular people, it was quite nice to have an effective mundane army to contrast the more fantastical stuff.
Thanks very much, decades old question now answered for me.
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Finished up this little cheese ball by kev adams, hes a newer knightmare sculpt but hes going in my kev adams O&G army themed after the herohammer/red era.
Check out the oldhammer STL telegram group. And/or look into OpenScan for a diy option.
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Sorry not much activity for a few threads, got a 3D printer so haven't worked on my pile of old models/old school scratch builds.
But I did manage to print some test bases for slota ovals for older minis, as this pile of old metal elfs I got have no bases and I gonna probably use them in skirmish games.
Uhh that would be fun. I kinda wanna one day do this conversion of ork in style of RT era warpheads, where ork is half transformed into a lord of change, but without ruining an OG model.
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Fellow humanoids, I love retro Tyranids.
I do too. They look so much better than the current models
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what are your favorite modern models for retro style chaos warriors?
Salmbo, instantly recognisable.
I can't spell, nite lads.
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Gotta be the Knightmare stuff, if directly recreating that style.
One of these day's I'll risk the customs charges and delays and order the whole set in one go. So many of them just look fun to paint.
My past 2 orders from them arrived within a week of it being sent out. I remember back in 2020 it taking months so it was a nice surprise.
I actually have a 40k-scale one of those and whatever the transport with the huge fucking claws was, from Armorcast. Need to dig them out and dump 'em with some of the other orphaned crap I have in my garage. Slimming down the armies I will literally never play again.
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Inspired by Rick Priestly talking about how some of the original intention with 40k was to just sell a bunch of guns and such to convert fantasy figures with as "sci-fi doesn't sell" was the wisdom of the time (partly thanks to Laserburn not doing well) the following idea struck me:

Getting a bunch of older style fantasy barbarians and knights, chaos-y particularly (Knightmare? Impact? Something else? and giving a bunch of them guns and power/chain weapons to supplement a bunch of chaos cultists/daemons with the aim of using them in Renegade Scout/Rogue Trader games as something very different to the usual stuff fight with:

Good idea/bad idea?

Genuinely wondering because I've never seen anyone do it, only just making it so using fantasy stuff in 40k straight up (like with daemon world armies in 2nd edition Chaos) rather than rearming them to fit.
>Good idea/bad idea?
Excellent idea. More people should do it. I've seen it done effectively a few times and it always looks striking.

In addition to the guys you mentioned, Otherworld Minis and Crooked Dice have some good oldschool Chaos, demons, and Beastmen tucked away in their catalog. Proportions are a bit too modern for a "real" Oldhammer army in some cases, but most are modeled on 1970s illustrations and still traditionally sculpted.

Reaper has a bunch of Bob Olley shit. There are a couple of ogres that work well, as well as a "mantis demon". They sell a couple conversion packs of tentacles, claws, and assorted monster bits I've used extensively in my own Chaos stuff.

Rebel Minis have a few usable models
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Look into grenadier stuff perhaps? Most of it reasonably priced, good sculpts and many still in production.
I used barbarians from em4 to make this force of RT style custodians, was quite a fun bit of project. I also did similar thing to get my minotaurs for my sci-fi games.
Chengis Crump
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I like the idea of these conversion bits, does anyone else do things like this, for the sake of additional variety?

Good call, already got a couple of grenadier figures knocking around in the mix (I think the guy at the front is one?). I've also been adding miscellaneous things from different manufacturers to the oldhammer pile for variety.
I don't suppose any of you have the old '94 'Eavy Metal painting book, do you?
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This is GW mini, but minotaurs of this style exist in other areas too, so here is my door braker.

These ones?
Yes, thank you.
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It's interesting these don't turn up more. As in I don't think I've even seen them before in pdf collections of the old materials.
Reading through them the modelling and converting stuff guide book seems to be the best of the bunch with a lot of really good technical information, where as the painting guides it largely just gives pointers on a few key bits for a lot of colour schemes and you have to work out the rest.

There's some genuinely great stuff though in that modelling guide; some simple tweaks, dealing with awkward large metal models or mixed plastic and metal stuff, building the blood angel captain from the front cover on 2nd edition 40k, building an Arbites rhino conversion, standard bearers, some weird John Blanche shit, just a ton of very good, mostly simple guides and tips. Honestly this is one that should be up there with the terrain building guide of the same era.
I have seen a lot of oldhammer dioramas, but this might take the cake for fantasy. I think the floor and gems really make it.
Those conversion guides carried me through converting some forty models in an all-metal Sisters of Battle army. GW published some >really< good shit in the olden days.

>does anyone else do things like this, for the sake of additional variety?
I don't really knwo anyone who sells mutation packs of their size and quality, no. Reaper's got a bit more stashed away under the "conversion" tags. I don't recommend their WW2 and later weapons, those are just plain off and hard to use. Wings and stuff are great. Other than that, best I can think of is CP Models -- https://cpmodels.co.uk/product-category/28mm-ranges/28mm-heads/ lot of great Mutie heads in here.
You should probably check out the 40k thread just to see if any of the proxy companies or 3DP houses sell mutation packs. I don't go in there much or keep up with their side of the scene so I could very well be missing something.
never seen a cape with studs on it like that before, neat
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thank you anon, fantastic resource.
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It's a hell of a thing, been teasing it out because there's so much going on with it.
I like the lizardmen/estalian diorama bit better just because it's a very clear and dramatic little story. Pretty sure the same guy did both t hough.
poor gobo in the corner just trying to pick his mushrooms in peace
The Lustria Diorama is what it was called IIRC. It is very cool!
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Took me a moment to notice the arrow in his hat.
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Found these 25 year old miniature catalogs set out in the trash while walking my dog a couple weeks ago
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Finally got around to painting one of the fellas from >>85350720 up. Waiting on a backpack for the other one
any alternative to this forum: roundtable-bretonnia.org?
That's a lucky find.

Looks solid.

I suspect with dread that any replacement would be a facebook group these days.
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grabbed these 18 rubrics plus backpacks for an absolute steal
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More like planting mushrooms.
Dropping spores.
Fertilizing the crops.
I mean he's having a shit.
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There was a weird detail I recently found in the Realms of Chaos books, regarding the great Chaos incursion that lead to Magnus the Pious reuniting the Empire for a bit, was that a lot of forces of Chaos fought against the main organised invasion force. Alongside men of the Empire and the like. Because Chaos is like that.

Does give interesting ideas though, imagining an Empire army teamed not only with the distinct Kislevites but warbands of Chaos champions and their entourages. Fuck knows how they negotiated that arrangement, trying to pretend they're simply mercenaries or "We're here to help you, or else" kind of meetings. Strange mercenaries happen like that though on occasion, like over in the 5th edition Dogs of War there was a unit of Undead-hating skeletons that were known to team up with the Empire against Chaos and other such things. Had Orc, Dwarf and Elf skeletons in the mix of models too which was neat.
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Another odd realisation: it's statistically incredibly unlikely but it is actually possible to generate a chaos spawn that's a normal looking person with all their chaos attributes rolled as essentially positives; just a bunch of stat boosts and the like.

For instance: rolling the D6+6 attribute for say, 9 total could net a spawn like:
Technology: Stub gun (cos why not)
Strong +3 strength
Resilient +1 toughness
Rapid Regeneration
Massive Intellect +2 Int
Blood substitution - acid +1T, S3 hit on opponents when hit
Agility +3 Initiative
Irrational hatred: anything bigger than it
Illusion of Normality: +1 fear point when it switches from looking normal to... looking normal

Same thing goes for champions falling at the eye of god check, they could be turned into a spawn with only positive traits thrown on. Even more likely if you count moderately but not hugely mutating changes. and if you've not had mental stat drops.
The big counter to it is all spawn are subject to stupidity and don't get to use a bunch of equipment unless it's physically attached to them. I don't know if spawn are prevented from casting spells if they knew them though, I don't think I saw that they are...

So it's entirely possible to have a spawn who is just some decently powerful, perhaps even intelligent (when not suffering from the stupidity rule), normal looking, probably naked, person. Which would probably be one of the weirdest things to see.
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After weeks of waiting they are finally here. I am kinda nervous about opening them desu - in foil they feel like relics.
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in the same boat - it feels like a crime opening up oldhammer blisters now, but heck, I hate the idea of people just hoarding things never to be used
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>I hate the idea of people just hoarding things never to be used
This, for miniatures in particular, they're meant to be used, or at least displayed.
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>never seen a cape with studs on it like that before, neat
It's a unique feature of the Games Day '91 Limited Edition Captain. They're tiny skulls!
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>they're meant to be used
What if the use is to be preserved as a master for recasting?
>it's just a bunch of crap from 3rd
Then you still have to take it out of the packaging. Although I have to admit I've steamed a couple models out of their original blisters, mastered them off, and then resealed them
Well, a bit low on creative moods as of right now, got giant pile of various eras ork bits in my box, what should I make....
I was thinking on perhaps making some bases and later making some orks for em or perhaps painting up some old metal elric/elf riders.
We've lately been getting into 2e 40k, and I was looking at some of the stuff I got around to make a dedicated 2e army. I have a bunch of Cadians, some tanks, various HQ models, and Prospero box Custodes. I was thinking an IG army (maybe Malcador's Chosen style vets using Storm Trooper rules) with Custodes backing them up. But what should I field them as? I've been thinking of GK rules. 5 models, big, good save, stick that can shoot and chop. Seems to fit the bill.
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Currently trying to fight losing the creative mood by alternating what I'm working on; am currently crafting some Ork hoverboard riders to counter the newly jump-pack equipped assault marine opposition. Trying to make suitably high tech but a bit industrial looking hoverboards instead of just surf boards.
The riders are being some of the 1990 plastic orks, with some conversion. And they will be painted suitably absurdly bright colours to make them stand out even amongst the rest.
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One mans treasure anon.

>What if the use is to be preserved as a master for recasting?
Medical scanners are amazing at preserving old minis and you can even fix casting errors post scan.
Having digital copies would superseed the need of hording minis.
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wow, no one bringing up the new issue of Hero Hammer?
You can just have veteran guardsmen in 2nd, no need for them to be stormtroopers.
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I'm pretty sure I have the one on the right as well.
what kind of scanner do you use?
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Does anyone happen to have a pdf of White Dwarf 206? I'm interested in an article within about playing 40k 2e at small Necromunda-ish scales.
>White Dwarf 206 (UK) - February 1997 (PDF, 21.3 MB)
I'm waiting for the day I can 3d print an entire army of 2nd ed nids.
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Today I Learned

Can't remember the specific scanner that lad used, the group got taken down.
Search "scanning warhammer" on Youtube for ideas.
Thank you friend.
These photos and paint schemes are more familiar to me than my own face
Enjoy the moment it will take you back
Is another man person's bad untreasure.
why on earth do people pay for a car service, it’s the equivalent of paying people to do your laundry
>don’t even use the old logo
Do you make your own clothes, too?
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Wish there were more old armour marks in old, chapter specific models.
Huh. I never realized those two were Mk IIIs. Space Wolves got lots of love in Second Edition - probably more so than any other specific chapter.

After that, Blood Angels get plenty of special models between the Death Company (which include some Mk VIs) and the Sanguinary Guard, but for older models we really just have to improvise... although if you look closely, some modern kits have the parts to build a Mk IV Imperial Maximus suit in them.
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Anything new/notable in the oldhammer related 3d printing scene lately?
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Anyone know the safest brush on primer for lead minis?
Read some contain acids that could promote lead rot.
If you're super concerned you could always varnish the model first then prime. Otherwise I think gesso is usually safe for everything. I've used it a bunch anyway, not that it proves anything.
just because you don't like it doesn't mean others also don't like it (yes even turkeynids)
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I don't think so, I just spent 48ish hours scouring telegram for the same couple of dozen (of admittedly awesome) oldhammer model scans I already had. Wish the remainder of the old plastic monopose minis would find their way to a scanner.
Would be great fun to have the OG psycho styrene Dwarf and the rest of the fantasy plastics as well as the remainder of the 2E 40k monopose dudes, Nurgle marines, Orks et al.
But it's either patience or investing in a photogrammetry rig and the old minis.
I'm probably one of the few people that love the old plastics as much as the old lead though.
I have the old WHFB plastic dragon and I love him.
I’ve been reading Ian Watson’s 40k books recently, and they’re a fantastic read. Extremely fun and gross in the same way reading the Rogue Trader rulebook is. I finished Space Marine a few nights ago and now I’m on the Inquisiton War. Anyone else read these? What did you think?
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After early 2000s the quality of BL books fell dramatically for me. I have a few I've found here and there, and they're perfectly fine pulp. Stories were less about cool dudes being cool to sell more toys and just fleshing out the universe.
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If you are reading the reissues, they are pretty heavily censored. Original copies are pretty cheap and a good look at Watson's style before he became a SF powerhouse. Also, the first editions have some cracking art.
Bill King, Ian Watson, and Jack Yeovil/Kim Newman's early Games Workshop books are all great reads.
Also, without Draco we wouldn't have gotten Eisenhorn, Ravenor, or Bequin, so yeah, I'm a fan.
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>reissues censored
Fuck this gay Earth right in its aids riddled asshole with a rusty pipe.
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Only ever read the first one Inquisitor one, fortunately it was an original run version (before the re-edit where the Squat was replaced) and I enjoyed Watson's take on the insanity of the setting and his mature approach, and not just in that there was sex as well as violence, but in that it was clearly sci-fi by someone who had written things before GW employed them, yet fully embraced all the really weird shit.

file name of that image is good, since there's always been the fuck it just draw the model stuff jammed in alongside more worthy pieces..
>there's always been the fuck it just draw the model stuff jammed in alongside more worthy pieces..
The what now?
Currently reading inquisition war and I definitely agree with the divide between this style of stuff and later BL stories. Even the Eisenhorn Omnibus was kind of meh by comparison.
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Anyone going to Bring Out Yer Lead this weekend?
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See you there, anon.
Yes, the modern company with a much bigger audience of mostly children should definitely be republishing novels full of bondage and piss fetishism. That's an entirely rational perspective.
>GW buys Brazzers
>keeps publishing their videos
>but censors them to be "kid friendly"
>this makes perfect sense
How about just memory hole the books if you're embarrassed by them? This middle of the road stuff pleases nobody. Kids don't care about some old crap and people who do don't want it watered down.
wish we got Chaos Androids as a faction instead of Necrons in the 90s
Would have loved to but not able to unfortunately.

Through the magic of homebrew you still can.
Yes flying in from US with my forest gobos.
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Am hoping for lots of pics from you lot that are going to BOYL.
And you fuckers better enjoy yourselves and bring back tales of good times so I can get mad for not being able to go.
I hope to go one of these years too, at least before Brian Ansell finally kicks the bucket.
Shame that flying to the UK is more expensive than flying to the continent on my carrier of choice. Makes it hard to justify when I could be experiencing proper culture and food rather than toy soldiers and dodgy curry.

Original Fangorn cover art.
Wasn't Fangorn just a pseudonym for Christopher Baker, the same guy who did the Redwall covers?
It still is his pseudonym though? All through his Hollywood career at least. No idea if he dropped for the Redwall books, not my cup of tea.
Yah, looks like he still goes by Fangorn randomly checking his credits at:

His digital art fucking sucks compared to his analogue work too lol. What a waste. Can't all be Richard Wright I guess.
Awesome :)
Never been before, driving down on Saturday just to browse and spectate. I'm bringing my mushroom lads for show and tell haha got some trades too, people do still do swaps and stuff right? I've got some OG metal terminators kicking about in my box that I know I'll never do.
Oh noes :(
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I will do my best anon.
Are those Skaven centaurs on the bottom right? Or some sort of cavalry rattos?
whoops nvm lads they're Rat Ogres aren't they
That's some of Andy Chamber's justly famous Skaven army (Jes Goodwin did al the banners too) and just one dude mounted on a rat ogre yeah. Having a peek on SoL right now for the model.
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>finally meant to be attending BOYL about years later than I should have
>been off work sick all week

Fuck my life. Tonight and a whole day to get over whatever fever I've got.

Please Nurgle, I have been blessed enough, move on to your other patrons
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I am praying to Gork and Mork for you anon
>Andy Chambers and Jes Goodwin collaborating on an army
Pure unadulterated kino, yes-yes. Thanks for the info anon. Any particular places you like to find old metal models?
im about to cancel my eoeorbis order. its been months now
There's a reason in every OP it lists them explicitly as very unreliable. Both US and UK versions.

Black Tree are bad and have been bad for many, many years. Like 15+ years. Unfortunately with the exact same pattern of non-fulfilment, nil communication and then maybe an approximation of what was ordered arriving months late. If you're lucky/complain a bunch you get an apologetic email at some point blaming whatever they can think of that makes it not their fault.

That absolute ancient grog who ran Navwar, a place where you had to order by fax or postal order well into the 21st century despite having a website, was doing things with better response time and professionalism than Eoeorbis/Black Tree ever has.

Get your money back any way you can possibly up to the point of robbing them.
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The Stuff of Legends and Stunties are the only two I know. Beyond posting on the oldhammer forums.



That tasteful semi-gloss.
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TIL that printing the scanned epic Magnus the Red at 28mm scale looks pretty fantastic.
So there are scans of old minis and what not, and I kinda wanna test one thing, any of the shitty 3rd ed plastics scanned as 3D prints? Since many were of low quality testing if perhaps FDMs can print them.
Any idea on where one could get their hands on that stl?
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2nd Edition monopose stuff? Like
and pic related?
Answer is gonna be yes, but you lose all the details. Save the filament for terrain.

scroll back a thread or two for a pretty big leak of scanned stuff. and telegram the oldhammer group for links to various pay files not in that archive.
Got the opening post 2nd ed monopose lads already, checking if anyone got later era minis/other 2nd ed things.
Now print it the same size as the current Magnus model
Are there any hellcannons done in oldhammer style? I recently bought two boxes of frostgrave demons (lovely kit, lots of spare parts and the models have bit of a retro vibe) for OPR and I thought of getting them some artillery.
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what picture aptly describes why you like oldhammer?
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Too many that it is impossible to pick one. IT would be easy to just pull out some epic JB piece. But Tony Hough's Rogue Trader pen and inks are awesome.
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Go for it.
Not that anon but...fuck it, why not?
You mean Chaos ass cannons?


I think that's the closest we can get, thank you.
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Just got these lads for £25, gonna strip and paint (as Imperial fists to honour the original, very evocative of happy early teen wargaming paintjob).
Fucking excited man
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based 1970s bro, converting a mini with card
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>what picture aptly describes why you like oldhammer?
Anything by Russ "Half the Fiend Folio" Nicholson or Wil Rees (pre-Dio album covers) will work.
>Wil Rees (pre-Dio album covers)
Like this
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Have a look through these
(Still uploading)
Thanks, will try to print some and see how they come out!
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btw, did anyone ever scanned johnny?
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Never seen him scanned, although I did get my hands on a nearly-passable STL (https://mega.nz/file/2AoGVYIZ#0XpU7XA7qF9DXLqHzvBgvymfiet0U_5WlfIHvmnN81M).

My own efforts at recasting him resulted in some pretty pathetic results. Maybe by the time I take another run at it, scanning and 3D printing will be so advanced as to make recasting in metal using molds a thing of the distant past.
You have a drop folder set up? I'll add the oldhammer scans I have to it if so.
afraid not, if you can link me to an upload I would be happy to add them
we need a trove equivalent for all of citadels catalogue of sculpts across the companies history. anybody knowledgeable enough with citadels miniatures to be able to make a spreadsheet of every model they ever released?
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that's thousands of models even just counting the oldhammer era where they were far less prolific compared to now.
yeah i know, it would be a massive undertaking, but imagine it completed.
Ta da!
MEGA offers a file drop feature that allows you to receive files from users that do not have MEGA account.

These files will be encrypted in the uploader’s browser – you still enjoy the benefits of end-to-end encryption. However, bear in mind that there is absolutely no authentication of the uploader, so exercise caution and treat all received files as potentially malicious.

How does MEGAdrop work?
First, you have to create a MEGAdrop folder in which the received files will appear.

Simply right-click on a suitable folder and select “Create MEGAdrop folder”. A folder is suitable if it is not in a share or the parent of a share, including folder links, and not in your rubbish bin.

You have the option to receive files via a dedicated link or embed an upload button on any webpage using a small HTML snippet.

It's super easy. and save you upload time.

It's called The Stuff of Legends and The Lost Minis Wiki.
Not to mention that every Citadel Catalogue and journal has been scanned and is freely available. There's a few minis missing modern photos but that's it.
It seems like the dark elf is looking at the hawks tail and thinking "Who the hell designed this?"
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Gutted lads, still too full of cold for BOYL

Wouldn't want to inflict myself on others anyway, but it's a different world now for turning up places and coughing a bit isn't it.

Enjoy. I will look on jealously.
Looking on Facebook, John Blanche has missed this year too. Great minds and all that. Tony Yates and Tony Ackland are both there I think, not sure about Kev Adams doing his usual charity sculpting.
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This year's free miniature
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Jervis Johnson turned up
If you see Orlygg kick that ginger cunt in the nuts for abandoning his blog.
I should go to BYOL next year, maybe even bring a squad of oldhammer minis to play a skirmish game or two.
I'd actually have to get my backlog done tho.
He's been in the past so maybe
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Rogue Trader marines constantly getting merked in all the art is so great.
anyone got a PDF or imgur collection of the additional charatcers mentioned in Chapter Approved 2003 for the 3rd edition Tanith First And Only army list. I couldnt find much on the Wayback Machine for GW's site circa 2003.
Nope, but start at 11:40ish for the remarkably few more statted characters.

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If we were to set up a drop for stls, I have scans of the RTB01 beakies ready to contribute, along with a lot of other bits
Miranda Irene is really good quality and has a lot of the discontinued stuff.
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some weapons too

This is accurate to the rules that used to be there.
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Those are in the mega already. Shame the RTB01 scanner skipped the flamer, the missile launcher and the bare head. Nice to have nonetheless.
Also think the 2 chaos close combat sprues and the ork plasma gun sprue are the only classic 40k accessory weapon sprues unscanned
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Someday though.
what is that lady on the right?
Is that Tim?
I dunno, but this certainly is https://www.reapermini.com/search/wizard%20warlord/latest/14060
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other than those few things on black market miniatures where else i can find oldhammer chaos recasts?
there is one mysterious slovanian forge that might help you there.
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I love some early late 70s/early 80s John Blanche minis.
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why gloss varnish?
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You think that paint would look this good 40+ years later without it? 2 thick coats!
Also, trends in wargaming change. Also also, the dude who basically pioneered modern miniature painting can do whatever the fuck he wants.
Because that's what they had at the time.

Same reason most of the detail is also drawn in with a pen rather than a brush, and I'd bet those are enamel or oil paints.
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Not to mention lead rot. Many of Andy Chamber's famous Skaven Army were lost to lead rot.
Humbrols I'm sure
Article snipped from OG Citadel Journal #1 of this time period for reference. Details pretty much step by step what he did here as well as his choice of gloss varnish over matte.
Absolute eye raping shit quality scan though.
4th fine here?
Having a match.
Never played 4th personally(fantasy/mordheim was my jam).

Wondering if anyone ever made some inproved fan made reference ones?
So 4th 1000p
Gamma level game
Seek and destroy

Crons brought:
Destroyer lord
2x12 warriors

Nids brought;
Tyrant-2 guards
Genestealers patriarch 7 guard
2x8 devilgaunts
1x8 hornogaunts
1x screamer killer with tail
1xshootifex -enhanced senses,stranglethorn,hvc
Here’s t1
Hit the monolith with hvc and got a lame result (shocked) . Everything else that could fleeted, genestealers and friends hide within the ultramarine building.

Spent loads of time flipping from universal special rules, to unit types, to reference and back again.
Genestealers jump out of the house (can’t fleet them while I have patriarch I. The unit right?)

Hormogaubt too fast for their own good fail instinctive and fall back.
Hive tyrant and one dgaunt batch let rip on destroyers, downing one.
Shootifex shots all hit but fail to scratch that terrifying monolith

Monolith relocates destroyers who’s second attempt at reanimation mean they live! (They: destroyer can move after this right, since they didn’t move before?)

Meleefex mixed shooting drops him to two wounds.
Destroyers and one warrior batch blast genestealers. Allocate 2 hits onto genestealers patriarch but he shrugs them off.
Genestealers retinue vaporised.
Patriarch aces his difficult terrain, then lines up to charge destroyers. Hits them, kills two.
Destroyer lord(who was locked but unable to fight l)breaks and is ran down aaa

Carnifex lines up first warrior blob. Then charges killing 3, combat continues

Shooting sucked, although one destroyer was bonked.
Fex cam.

Buddy will come round tomorrow to finish the fight , wish em luck there were pretty sad about destroyer lord getting swept .

Anyone know of a better surmised reference sheet for 4th?
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Such as?
Nice bat rep. No help on 4th though, not my thing.
Remove the middle world and add an -er somewhere
from red*it? the one that haven't posted for two years?
12 days ago my man,
is black market even trustworthy? their payment thingy is pretty damn susxajxa8picious
typed the captcha in the middle of the word for some reason
An -er?

I have attempted to add the -er and not the -ry and the old account is the only one that comes up
Legit, but 3x the price of most others. Cast quality is excellent and some truly rare stuff. The prices only suck till you check ebay though. Also, buying from russia during the embargoes is not very smart.
try with -ry again, if you are in right groups you should see last months stuff
Bring Out Your Lead 2022 report: http://www.deartonyblair.co.uk/2022/08/bring-out-your-lead-2022.html
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Nice, wonder if I can find a photo of the cards or more info on the BOLTTRADER game. Alternating activation 8th edition rogue trader sounds ace.
Blast, will continue game later but who knows how it will turn out!
extremely frustrating that they hold such valued sculpts.
I’ve always received my Blacktree order it just takes forever. My hunch is they wait till they have enough enough orders and then cast. Longest I have waited to receive an order is 3 months.
Mysteriouser Slovanian?
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Anyone know if any of the other RT plastics have been scanned?
It's on the facebook group, the guy uploaded it all
Can't find shit chief, care to link?
Guard and Dwarf yes, Ork not as far as I know beyond the arms.
Still waiting for the archivist to set up a drop folder.
Can get them from the oldhammer stl telegram group right now though.

Seconding, I don't facebook so searching it is a pita.
Before I fly across the pond to Nottingham. What all does Warhammer World have on display as far as Oldhammer minis go? I don’t really care about most of the post year 2000 minis. Is Warhammer World worth visiting for the frothing American Oldhammer enthusiast? I’ll definitely be stopping at Wargames Foundry
Yeah, I can't imagine going to Nottingham and not going to Warhammer World.
It's like going all the way to Innsbruk and not going to Swarovski Kristallwelten. Or NYC and not going to the Met. or the the Museum of Natural History.
Some things are just iconic to the hobby.
Let it die so we can post more pics or what?
>It's on the facebook group, the guy uploaded it all
Link, or it didn't happen.

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