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Most wholesome power couple edition

>Previously in the Mortal Realms:
>>85011669


>Points update
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/22/a-big-balance-update-hits-the-mortal-realms-as-war-comes-to-gallet/

>Official AoS website:
https://www.ageofsigmar.com

>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/

>AoS Battletomes:
Stolen by Tzeentchian cultists

>Tools:
warhammer-community.com/warscroll-builder/
warhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/make-your-own-free-city-the-easy-way-sep26gw-homepage-post-4/
https://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/

>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:
https://aosg.github.io/

>Thread question:
How is your faction feeling?
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First for Fatcasts are the most kino Stormcasts.
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>>85025215
Based trve sotrmcast enjoyer.
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>TQ
Dominant
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>>85025215
I find them endearing sort of like how He-Man cartoons are.
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>TQ
Grinnin their Blades at the sight of Hobgrot battleline
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>>85025323
>orcs only book
>goblins battleline
explain this
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>>85025339
>hobgrot
>goblin
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>>85025215
this is the post number of a contrarian, look at him and pray you don't end in this absolute state yourself
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>>85025342
they're short and got a nose
they're goblins
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I'm surprised we haven't heard more about OBR mortals. You'd think that humans in the Ossiarch Empire would be treated like humans of Amonkhet were. Propagandat into reaching peak physical prowess to make them good material for super undead
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>>85025420
There aren't any OBR mortals. OBR can definitionally not be human.
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>>85025420
>I'm surprised we haven't heard more about CoS farm animals. You'd think that chicken in the Sigmarite Cities would be treated like humans of Amonkhet were. Propagandat into reaching peak physical prowess to make them good material for super meals
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>>85025420
>lift weights all day to make skronk bones
>decent diet to grow up big and healthy
>training with swords and spears so you can pass your partial skills onto your eventual skeltal-voltron
>universal basic gf to make sure you breed
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>>85025420
>You'd think that humans in the Ossiarch Empire would be treated like humans of Amonkhet were
It depends on the Legion. Mortis Praetorians are fairly alright, but ones like Stelliarch Lords absolutely do not give a fuck. Remember, OBR are taxmen, they don't care where the taxes come from.
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>>85025420
The battletome, White Dwarf, Novels and Soulbound combined do give a lot of examples of what the mortal population under OBR rule could be, but it always leaves room for more (for asspulls no doubt). We've seen vassal states that keep their own rule and militaries to support OBR and pay the tithe with their casualties, straight up bone farms and cities simplied made to be wiped out in a century by a relentless bonetax to make a fortress. An überbone workout city is for sure somewhere to be found.
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>>85025428
Stormcast can't be gryphons, but there's planty of gryphons in the SCE faction
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Tell mommy how the last general's and points balance patch fucked your army up.
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>>85025716
Nah you can go anally vore a chainsaw.
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>>85025716
Not really, have decided to get a Heart of Fury as that will fuck hard this edition
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>>85025716

I think I might buy more necropolis stalkers and maybe a soulreaper to lean into a monster mash obr army. Could be fun.
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>>85025716
I only play Narrative and Open so I don't give a fuck. Couldn't care less about all those new quasi- Esport seasonal bullshit.
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>>85025208
Soon
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>>85025805
I fucking love Daemonettes
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>>85025716
They don't update my army anymore and I'm quite happy about that.
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>>85025869
Based and Sated pill
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God I love the majestic tauralon.
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Thanks to the anon in last thread for recommending this tactical skull
>inb4 bows bad
joke's on you, I'm a nogames shitter
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>>85025913
I'm with you on the bows. Hunters with bows just look cool.
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>>85025716
My army is dead since ET
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>>85025946
I just wanted to have their little quiver guys
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Prediction: the reason ogres and SoB weren't addressed at all in the battlescroll is because those are the 2 destruction factions slated for fall.

Gloomspite gitz confirmed no new tome until at least 2023, battlescroll is a consolation bandaid
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>>85026020
I think they just forgot ogors existed
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>>85025742
Stop posting the shitty version.
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>>85025901
Wtf? There was no Tauralon in Stormground. (Or at least i haven't found one, you keep finding odd shit if you play long enough)
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>>85025859
Anyone who draws sisters of battle with cutesy makeup and anime eyes and features should be lined up against a wall
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>>85026083
Where's the fucking difference.
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>>85025323
Looks like he's peering over a wall, the white orc skull prints are his little hands.
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>>85026242
He deleted the mole
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So does 30 man Hobgrots have a purpose?
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>>85026512
Do any of us have a purpose?
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>>85025215
Stormlets forever seething at our mass
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>>85026512
It’s got a shockingly strong unleash hell and counts as 90 models for objectives
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>>85026624
>counts as 90 models for objectives

Son they've got a 6+ save and bravery like 3, the first thing that steps up to contest will wipe them off the table instantly. To put things in perspective, they are half as durable as a gloomspite git stabba.
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>>85026688
They aren't paid enough to deal with any excess bullshit
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>>85025215
Liquid shit taste.
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>>85026020
now are we getting beastclaw raiders or Gutbusters?
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>>85026624
The funny thing is the battleline addition was a double edge sword. Bounty hunters will now deal double damage to them. These guys will fucking evaporate
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>>85025323
I'm sort of weighing whether or not grinning blades is actually just the superior subfaction all around, even with boltboyz.
My main annoyance with the army is that we're a fragile counter attack castle, but with the invisibility it severely limits what alpha striking and shooting can do to us. It fucks with long range charges as well.
Maybe you can actually play monster heavy now, since they can play more safely.
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>>85026706
New subfactiin. All the weird dudes from REs are actually the mork ogors
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Is Ironjawz and Trogg allies even a good pairing? Ranged MW from Rockguts would be nice I guess
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>>85026020
I'll be honest, that's the writing on the wall I'm seeing too.
It makes me feel ultra bad for Gitz.
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>>85026899
There are REs that could be troggoths and 0 REs tgat seam like ogor stuff, so i doubt Gitz will be the losers.
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>>85026943
Ogres can get a tome without getting any models. They have a massive range already and 90% of it is good plastic kits
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>>85026830
>blue armor with checkers
What Tribe?
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>>85026958
Ogres have three kits that use the same bodies sprue lmao get over yourself. New models would be nice and a big chunk of the range is resin
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>>85026965
Da Choppas
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>>85026965
Isn't that the extra football huligan one that has rude songs about their enemies being fags?
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>>85026967
those ogres are never getting redone. they specifically designed the BCR bits to be backwards compatible with the previous kits. those things are here to stay.

if you think that range is getting an update to their plastics any time soon you're delusional
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>>85027237
Idk why you assume GW cares about cross compatibility of ancient kits
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>>85027276
They cared when they made them. New kits would neither look better not be compatible so there's no point in making them. At best we can hope an eventual maneater kit would also be compatible with the rest.
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>>85026967
>Ogres have three kits that use the same bodies sprue
that's not a reason for an update
>New models would be nice
that goes for literally everything
>big chunk of the range is resin
that's a different issue altogether that isn't necessarily getting addressed now as skaven demonstrated

how many kits do they really need?
>maneaters kit
>yetis kit
>gorger kit
>butcher blister
that's it
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>>85026967
Imagine how shit the redesigns would be though, no cross-compatibility between any ogre, same 3 or 6 poses, just terrible
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>>85026077
When I saw this yesterday, this is exactly what I thought
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>>85026020
What did the battlescroll do to my beloved vikings?
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>Khorne has clearly been looking at Corruption and Depravity Points with envy – the Blades of Khorne Blood Tithe is no longer reset to zero when summoning daemons or enacting Blood for the Blood God! buffs.
How big is this?
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>>85027537
The faction is finally playable.
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>>85025208
>TQ
Brand new and exciting. Haven't played any games with the new rules yet, but the new book seems to have decent internal balance. There's a reason to take almost anything in the battletome.

I'm sure one or two lists will shake out as the preferred takes for tournament play, but for a relatively casual player, I think this book is phenomenal.
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>Still no faction terrain
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>>85028035
This nigga gets it.
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>>85027537
It's not THAT big but is nice and can ben very strong in some games, but add the fact that now bloodletters can fight in two ranks and boys we are back
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>>85027488
Nothing.
Chaos warriors are actually incredibly strong EXPERT CONQUERORS. 2Ws each, built in MW protection, good save stacking.... 400 points of them is 60 models on an objective that no enemy can just delete in one turn (unlike some GV units).
But... new book in Dec/Jan we will see what happens.
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>>85027537
Pretty big.
Khorne won't suddenly become good but get ready to have a free CP or giga unbind every turn.
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>>85027537
Free auto unbind a turn (for a point) is good.
Saving up your points for a big hero phase move followed by hero phase fight could be good.
It doesn't solve the shit warscrolls or stupid AURA WITHIN AURAS bullshit but it's a buff.
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>>85028158
I did 2 games with new rules (not the last one, I still lost all unspent blodd points) and MAN do bloodletthers fucks now. 2 to 3 hit each, built in +1 to hit, two combat phase, hitting in 2 ranks... they deleted stormcast dragons and seraphons alike giving me a win and a very close loss. It was glorious
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>TQ
>Charnel Throne got upgraded so it actually might affect the batteshock phase and summoning got improved range and works for mounted Ghoul Kings too
>Ward save has no positioning conditions now
>got a new heroic action that gives you an extra Varghulf Courtier strength muster
Pretty good all things considered. Still wish Feeding Frenzy wasn’t locked at once per turn but oh well
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>>85028036
>Wish for faction terrain
>Monkey's paw curls
>Massive new faction terrain kit is released
>Costs $200 cuz terrain prices
>Rules so good you need to bring it
>Base is like 18" x 24" or some shit
>Breakable, too
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>>85028302
You forgot
>Sold out five seconds after it goes up for order
>Never restocked
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Are Irondrakes an oppressive unit, on paper it looks like one can stack a shitload of buffs on them, potentially giving each dwarf 2 2+/2+/-2 attacks.
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>>85028406
>all tweets and warcom articles deleted
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>>85028549
Pretty sure they’re considered one of the better ranged units in CoS. If you can keep them defended they should be able to put out some punishment
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If I’m playing Nighthaunt, what generic Endless Spells are considered worthwhile getting? I know Chronomatic Cogs are considered really good, and Purple Sun would be thematic for a Death army. Any others that seem interesting or fluffy?
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>>85028549
they're pretty good. nothing in CoS is really considered "opressive" because its all pretty well balanced. irondrakes are good, but they are medium range, slow, and require line of sight, and can only shoot once. its nothing like the kind of cancer you get from lumineth sentinels or morathis bow snakes.

irondrakes are solid, but rest assured you can field them without feeling like a douche about it
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>>85028756
purple sun is good, but arguably superfluous now since nighthaunt can already stack a shit ton of rend. it would be kind of a "win more" button. mortalis terminexus is solid and versatile. quicksilver swords and gnashing jawz both got big glow ups so take a look at those when the new warscrolls roll out.
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>>85028694
>>85028779

Thanks, fluffwise are their guns just powerful muskets or more like flamethrowers?
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>>85028829
Flamethrowers but they can also wield pair of Drakefire Pistols, Cinderblast Bombs, which explodes in a burst of shrapnel and flame, or even a Grudgehammer Torpedo, which are armour-piercing warheads
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>>85028756
I think purple sun is the biggest trap everyone is falling for right now.

You'll have that 1/6 time it deletes the model yes, but the other 5 times you're paying 80 points for a -1 save aura, provided it doesn't get dispelled and can actually get into range. How many endless spells have you gotten to actually make into the enemy's lines before turn 2 or 3?

The other ones may have some play (esp cogs) given that they can be guaranteed (if they go off) to give some effect but the offensive ones I'm a little more wary of. Especially since the game is getting even more killy and I have doubts you'll be able to pull out an endless spell when you need it.

Emerald lifeswarm is a staple but will probably be devalued for most armies due to BH. Still good for NH since you can mitigate the -1 damage coming in from BH's with Kruhlghasts. Ravenok has play into support heroes/low wound archers. I think Palisades will be too cumbersome to play, shame it just doesn't stop units within 3" from it from being shot.
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GW delivery drones finally moved their asses and got my aniversary model delivered. I'm picking it up tomorrow
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>>85028756
Get a green sun instead
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>>85028946
Nighthaunt do have an artifact that, once per game, lets them cast an Endless Spell with an automatic casting value of 12 and cannot be unbound. So getting to use an Endless Spell when they need it is way easier for them.
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>>85025913
Honestly I don't think bows are that bad, 6 damage on average against a unit with a 4+ save, and they don't have to worry about losing models before being able to activate, I think they're slept on
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>>85029142
problem is that they're expensive as fuck but literally every unit in the book is expensive as fuck now
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Are some of the existing shades going to drop from the range to make way for the new ones?
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>>85029197
Yes. The gloss ones.
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Found someone trying to offload a copy of Dominion for $100. At this price point is it a good starting point for either of the factions included?
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>>85028993
>You are a Wizard in the Mortal Realm
>You cast Purple Sun
>It's a Shiny
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>>85029232
Very good deal. I got my Stormcast half for $66.
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>>85029232
For KB you were gonna use almost all of it anyway. Epsecially now tht Gutrippaz might be playable and Hobs get to be tag along Battleline. FOr SCE Anihilators were good and some of the other stuff was ok too, but best lists used either old cav/shooters and/or the new dragons which aren't included
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>>85029285
>the seraphon proceed to bind it for themselves
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Is it possible to play with just one megagargant and two gargantlets? I haven't even read the AoS rules, but I just bought some giants because I've always loved the look of them.
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>>85029333
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>>85029592
Yes, but you'll be short (get it?) one menlet from 1k points.
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>>85025208
Which army currently the strongest tabletop wise?
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I want more trogs
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>>85029634
Darn. Maybe I can stack twenty night goblins on top of each other as a proxy.
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>>85029707
Sounds kino. DO IT
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>>85029677
I think it's still Seraphon, but they just got slightly nerfed so maybe someone will tkae the crown
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>>85029677
Top 3 was probably Behemat, Sce and DoK in no particular order but we're now going into new handbook season so it will change.
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>>85029793
What about Kruleboyz?
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>>85029831
Garbage.
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>>85029831
In the top two weakest armies in the game.
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>>85029707
on a trenchcoat
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>>85029677
Seraphon, DoK and stormcast
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>>85029707
>>85029984
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>>85028036
The Shrine of Morathi-Khaine will be VERY wobbly and easy to break.
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>>85030297
mhhhhhhh, wobbly...
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>>85029677
Post nerfs?

Nurgle and Seraphon Thunderlizards will still be on top. Monster battleline will keep thunderlizards still in the game, might see less bastiladons and more stegadons bounty hunter.

DoK could contend for strongest army, their book is full of retardedly good command traits, battle traits and artifacts and their warscrolls aren't weakened in any way to make up for it. They also have some freebie battle tactics from their book which are even more important now as battle tactics are much harder to do in the new GHB.

Nighthaunt Scarlet Doom with stacking krulghast (-1 damage per each one) as a death star sounds like it will also make a huge dent.

SCE will be fine, but will be taken down a notch. Longstrikes will still make an appearance, maybe not reinforced. Gardus will be a popular pick and fulminators are still retarded good. You'll most likely see a pack or two of dragons each game still but not all dragon lists.
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What's the word on skaven? Still stormfiend deathstar + guns, or is there another option I can look into?
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>>85030623
the pestilence demon rat with some relic is in any way good, or so i heard
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>>85030623
there are lots of options, its going to be a very flexible book.
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>>85029831
Not really a faction at all.
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>>85026214
Found the homosex
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>>85030436
And how will Sylvaneth End?
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>Filthbringers are the worst in Maggotkin
>Gnarlroot are the worst in Sylvaneth
You might say they darkly mirror each other. Although Filthbringers got their Rot Coven gimmick at least.
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>>85031298
>Gnarlroot are the worst in Sylvaneth
topkek
did you even read the tome?
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>>85031298
Ironbark wants to have a word with you.
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Requesting any PDFs of 3e battletomes, especially Nighthaunt or Orruk Warclans. Grandfather Nurgle says Tzeentch cultists can rot!
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>>85029793
> Behemet top 3
What, fucking last fall. Not since earlier this year.
Bro if you dont play just shut up
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>>85025215
Based and unbroken by the anvil of apotheosis.
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>>85031622
Lurk moar. There's high quality scans of every battletome released so far
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>>85025339
I am completely convinced that Kruleboyz were designed as Gloomspite to be the Orcs effected by the Bad Moon before they decided Gloomspite would then be too big so they needed to be Orcs.
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>>85030825
No idea, haven't read through their book yet or had a chance to play many. Not a lot in my local area. They sound ok on surface level but their units are extremely expensive. Hunters with scythes in particular sound very strong and will mop up a ton of other infantry without being susceptible to the new battalions +1 damage.
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>Friendly battleline that have a wounds characteristic of 4 or less and do not have mounts gain the GALLETIAN VETERANS keyword
My entire Nighthaunt army is mounted. All of my battleline are Hexwraiths. Why did they do this.
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>>85032187
You're being punished for playing ugly models
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>>85029677
DoK >>>power gap>>> Nurgle > Seraphon
Anyone still saying SoB or SCE is out of date
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>>85032187
Your fault for using the shittiest looking models in the entire death range
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>>85032141
The bad moon fits them more then Kragnos

like Kragnos lore is connected to the Bonesplitterz so why Kruleboyz?
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>>85032206
Tomb Banshee sadly still exists
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>>85032206
Ghosty horses are fun.
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>>85032207
Kruleboyz are opportunists that try to ride the Kraggy train while it's still hot. With Gorkamorka MIA, he who controls "Da Boss Trampla" controls the WAAAGH
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>>85032223
Hexwraiths are skeleton horses with a ghost keyword
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>>85032223
This is not about fun, it's about anal prolapse tier models
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Selling 40 Hexwraiths (used)
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>>85032187
Its almost like making an entire army out of spamming a single unit is a bad idea
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>>85032187
How does this work with blightkings? The models have 4 wounds but the champion has 5
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>>85032187
>He wants to have Galletian Veterans
You are blessed by your army, not curse. Embrace cavarly
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>>85032187
Just wait a couple months until the inevitable new battlescroll amd whatever concept they'll sell for the new season.
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>>85032387
The warscroll still has a wound characteristic of 4; they also wouldn't lose it when you give them their +1 wound spell
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>>85032261
>anal prolapse tier models
That tier has only 1 model
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>>85032443
I managed to forgot about this, thank you
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>>85032203
Yes the tournament results sure support this, they don't have Seraphon and SCE dragons dominating.
Not at all
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>>85032515
DoK players are delusional to a fault. A bunch of coom-brains.
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>>85031801
Aight, does anyone have the actual links?
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>>85032515
Your image invalidates any opinion you may have. Post models, coomer faggot.
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>>85032576
Nice try, James.
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>>85032443
What. What the actual fuck.
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>>85032436
Why wouldn't they lose it? Spell increases the wound characteristic until next hero phase.
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>>85032668
It's about the number on the warscroll
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We did it boys, we broke the 40% barrier.

Special thanks to the people who still try to charge into the mortek blocks and then bitch about them being broken, about half the armies in the game this strat actually works now, and other half will join them once hunters is gone.
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>>85031622
I don't have the Nurgle and Warclans pdfs on this computer and their links expired
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>>85032334
I'll give you $12 for them.
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>>85028238
>Hitting in 2 ranks

How?
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Much obliged
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>>85032702

*Sad skeleton noises*
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>>85032702
That tome can't come soon enough.
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Why didn't the GSG battlescroll update touch spiderfang
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>>85032702
What's pushing STD winrates so high?
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>>85032904
You don't understand man, lrl only has 3 viable builds they can make. Literally unplayable.

On a more positive note there was a rumor from TGA (which I don't know how the fuck they get so many leakers) many of the armies getting books next year (specifically OBR/SBGL) will get bigger releases.
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>>85032931
GW is making more troggoths now, so they forgot Spiderfang was also a thing, sicne they don't use them
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Necrons of Slave to Darkness. What do you guys think?
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>>85026830
No, there's nothing troggs do that more goregruntas or brutes wont get better results.
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>>85029831
With the grinnin blades buff and hobgrot battleline, they may have finally gotten out of last-fucking-place.
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>>85033099
incomprehensible post
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>>85032996
no idea, likely the sample size is very small since it's only like 50 days or so, the filter is set for since nh/dok BT. Expanding it to march puts them at 52% win rate, 56% chance to reach atleast 3 wins. I'm not sure if that includes LoTFP lists despite that being a separate category as well.
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>>85033099
StD, but you run Warcry bands as your battleline
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>>85033099
Don't forget to microwave your nightmares
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>>85032702
Why are Nighthaunt still so low? Lack of players adopting them for tournaments?
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>>85033241
>>85033192
>>85033304
I meant 'Or'. Im trying to decide between starting either.
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>>85033333
you're in an age of sigmar thread
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>>85033346
Slaves to Darkness are Age of Sigmar.
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>>85033346
>>85033352
He means, of course we are going to vote for StD. We are AoS players, fuck 40k
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>>85033367
Fair but I was hoping for some input from Slaves to Darkness people. How are they to collect, paint, play, how's the range (pre coming update for example). My biggest problem with Necrons for example, is that a lot of their range is old and doesn't fit with the new stuff. My concern with Slaves to Darkness for instance, is that they are hard to paint. I look at a Chaos Knight and its fucking big with a ton of detail and little areas.
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>>85033392
>How are they to collect
It's a bit annoying right now. The Start Collecting is amazing... except you need to convert musician and standard bearer on both Warriors and Knights. That is annoying.
>pic related how I handled the Warriors

>How are they to play
Probably the easier to understand of all the factions. It's pretty streamlined, you have tanky but overpriced infantry that gets incredible bonuses by our excellent supports.
You could also play Warcry warbands (but they look awful on the table) or Marauders (but they look awful).
So really I would go with the Start Collecting first and a sorcerer, paint them while you wait for the new Tome.
It's enough to have games in Path to Glory anyway, and you want to play that because it's a lot of fun.

>How are they to paint
It's one of those armies that you can dedicate a lot of attentions, or you can just take a few shortcuts and to them extremely fast.
But yes, Knights are scary, not gonna lie.
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>>85032187
Good for you. Gal.Vet is not something you want, really. Just like last ed where GW said they would make monsters good, but instead punished people for bringing regular, squishy monsters.
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>>85033392
STD range is old as shit unless you use Warcry models
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>>85033392
The Start Collecting is kino but you don't get banners because not multipart. Current multiparts are an old kit but full of great bits. Biggest issue is they look very static next to the SC! ones because they're designed to fit on 25mm squares.
Painting can be as simple or as complex as you want. The rank and file take really well to a heavy drybrush undercoat then contrast on the armor with a few metallics to make it read like worn steel. You get some pelts to experiment with fur and scales and stuff.
You have some big monsters but the Giant Too-Good-To-Not-Take warshrine is ugly, the chimera is also pretty ugly, and the mutalith and slaughterbrute are also real bad.
If you're serious about starting I'd wait until winter when they get another wave.
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This feels like a justification for squatting. Been reading through the lord and there’s tons of little lines like this sprinkled throughout the lore of the non-Thunderstrikes.
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>>85033392
Sit on it until winter since we’ve had pretty much a full leak of the new STD book and models coming out then.
A new SC! And like a war shrine or something wouldn’t hurt to get before then.
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>>85033768
Its over.
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>>85033317
Hrmmmmm from playing games as them:

1. People are still trying to wrap their heads around MSU vs big blocks. Big blocks are easier to heal up, but msu can help trigger strikelast/armor saves, which are crucial for trades into some armies. I'm not convinced big blocks and healing are the way to go with this army despite legion of grief seemingly encouraging it. List composition seems to encourage getting lots of small heroes into combat than just having support sit there and stay safe.

2. Ethereal really isn't as great as people expected it to be. It's a trade off at best and they pay a premium in points for it. Yes you'll absolutely tank some larger characters profiles but you don't really have an answer to small volumes of attacks other than making sure you strike first.

3. The army as a whole is pretty pillowfisted. Reliable on hits/wounds but lots of damage 1 and low rend. Wave of Terror kind of makes up for it but it is also just for your round of combat and it's only a ~20% chance when you charge.

4. Hot take is that the subfactions are very much matchup dependant. Emerald Host can win games or be utterly useless, same with quicksilver and the ward negation. Scarlet Doom is probably the most universal good one.

It's still very early and it's only a month of games though, there's been a few 5-0 victories, once lists get into circulation I'm sure they'll rise up a bit to mid tier.
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>>85032702
I thought Living City was the tournament bull-shit city, but with the nerf I don't see the tricks working anymore. Anyone know which cities are being used?
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>>85032778
The new Veterans rule I guess - all footsoldiers can attack if they are near a friendly model that is in range.
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>>85032613
Models.
I don't just own DoK
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>>85032613
oh no anon, he posted models and now it is your turn to post yours lest you be one yourself
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>>85032702
Hahaha get fucked obrfag any army that forces melee armies to have to dance around objectives instead of playing the game in a fun way should be at the bottom of the barrel
Here's to many more nerfs. S
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>>85034606
They lose even to melee armies right now lol.
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>>85032996
Legion of the first prince is a tournament powerhouse.
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>>85034606
> proves the posters point 100
> seems oblivious of this
Ah the eternal sunshine of the retarded mind!
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>>85035148
Oh, it has a separate entry, no idea about std then.
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>>85035148
> somehow misses LotFP literally on its own
Fucking hell the people on this thread are retards
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>>85033996
Tempest Eye
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>>85035152
>my army has an invincibility cloak! Your army that revolves around getting into melee can no longer do so!
>wtf why do people not like playing my super interesting and complex army?
Faggot.
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>>85032997
I hope that is from whitefang or someone credible. Thanks for the heads up though.
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>>85032997
>SBGL
>bigger release
yes, just what SBGL need, yet another wave. while IDK, FS, KO, Skaven, BoC, Ogres, Seraphon are either small as fuck or full of ancient models. So, OBR, sure. Also give DoT some fucking knights.
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>>85035454
lol,even when the army came out at peak petrifax +1 save only 1 list made it to top 8 for that year's lvo. But yes it is designed pretty badly and probably by the same person who wrote LRL. There might be some OBR players out there who just want to play OBR turtle castle but most of us want a variety of builds and want the chance to run calvary builds or more constructs.

The army has faded so quickly precisely because it was balanced around being able to out trade other armies at the time. Since then MW & rend have only gotten higher and higher and healing is now the shittiest version of mitigation in the game, and this is before bounty hunters. Either way everyone that had played OBR to win stop playing them like 2 years ago???

>>85035825
The rumor mentioned Seraphon specifically as well.
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>>85036014
Seraphon have been rumoured to be updated for awhile, with 2023 as the supposed date. I hope not. I have a Seraphon army and I'd rather the new factions got a needed second wave.
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>>85035825
Skaven, IDK and FS just got their token heros/warbands/tomes. Don't count on them getting anything anytime soon.
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>>85036043
That is the issue. GW seems to be going with
>give each faction a token new hero for 3rd and leave it at that
IDK, FS, OBR and KO really need 2nd waves.
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>>85036040
Saurus, Kroxigors, Temple Guard, Cold Ones, Salamanders and most of the Skinks are very crusty though. They could use a revamp.
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>>85036060
They could, yes. But I would happily fall on my celestial blade if GW actually gave the new factions LRL/SCE treatment and fucking gave them something. Seraphon at least have a tiny bit of variety. Skaven have variety but are pretty old too.

I dunno.
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>>85036059
FS more than anyone but I think GW just doesn't know what to do with them.
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>>85036084
Don't think a dual Saurus/Temple guard kit, a Kroxigor kit, a skink kit (maybe with extras for switching the ones on the bastiladon, stegadon, etc) and a Salamander kit would put too much strain on other releases.
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>>85036194
It would. You're asking for FOUR new kits, with none of them being the single-model heroes that they tend to randomly drop in boxes.
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>>85036194
I just think leaving factions with more heroes than units is just bad and I think favouring new factions over other new factions is unfair. But yeah, sure. I won't say NO but I'd much prefer IDK, FS, KO and OBR to get new shit. Plus DoT.
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>>85036232
I think it's doable for them to pull off and that is basically Seraphon brought up to modern standards.
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>>85025208
>TQ
Liking the changes to the badmoon, thought the randomness is still a problem.
We need more ways to control the moons direction, like skragrotts ability, or more ways to give off the Light of the Bad Moon, like the shrines new ability. So even if the Moon flies off the board on turn 2, we can still use our allegience ability.
Also points are still way too high.
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>>85033768
meds
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>>85033333
these digits...for THIS post?
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Got about 150ish points left in my Stormcast list. what should i add? Heres what I got
>Lord Relictor
>Lord Arcanum on Dracoline
>10xVindictors
>5xLiberators
>5xLiberators
>3xEvocators on Dracolines
>3xEvocators on Dracolines
>6xHurricane Crossbows
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>>85036014

Do you think the conditional immortis guard and necropolis stalkers Battleline will help the poor boners? Hmvkt
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>>85037193
B A L L I S T A
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>>85036110
I've seen like 30 great suggestions in various spaces. No idea how GW just doesn't grab one of those and be done with it since they clearly lack imagination.
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>>85037575
>30
I'll be kind and ask you to name 15 of them.
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>>85029142
Pretty decent in Heartwood. Can be hitting on 3s for free against your 3 main targets. Toss an arch revenant near a couple squads and also wound on 2s.
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>>85037193
If you're running hallowed knights subfaction, Gardus Steelsoul slots in perfectly.
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Is mass light cavalry cities of sigmar list viable? Pistoliers, outriders and wild riders forming the bulk of the list.
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>>85037730
>>85037575
WHERE ARE THESE GREAT SUGGESTIONS YOU WILL GIVE THEM TO ME. NOW.
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Tfw no freeguild pistolier hero
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>>85037196
It's decent but like most things obr it wasn't really thought through. Having a mortisan general means you're forced to put combat relics on wizards.
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Where do you play games most of the time?
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>>85038290
A warhammer store, unfortunately
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>>85038230
Convert one and run it as an AoA lad.
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>>85038302
At least you have the option lol

My local GW literally only allows intro games and is perpetually empty like a hollow shell
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>>85038104
Not him, but i'd go deeper on Vulcatrix
>named ancient Magmadroth "character"
>mutated salamander dwarfs that took too much vulcatrix essence from Ur-gold and are now half-savadge monsters that some lodges exile and others keep around
>fire breathers similar to the ogor one, but with salamander theam to their gear (maybe just masks)
>Ur-gold avatar (Grimnir form)
>molten Ur-gold avatar (Vulcatrix form)
>more-non salamander fire monsters (ant eater with fire lash tongue and big flame in the place of the tail comes to mind, maybe some dragon since Ignax is Vulcstrix's daughter)
>some wizard that uses fire to levitate axes arohnd him like that one KotOR bitch
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>>85038320
>>mutated salamander dwarfs
Sons of Khain- GRIMNIR!
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>>85038305
Nah AoA rules suck for representing horses desu, way overcosted to make a medium mount character as well
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>>85038334
Yeh, but upper half is monstrous too. Something closer to Saurus, but with things like the crested helmet being merged into their head and maybe beard like scales/burning fire
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ok but why does the lethality have to be so high
and why are they making it even higher
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>>85038359
>noo it's all pillow fisted
>noo why is leathality so high
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>>85038320
Personally I thought
>Fire Djinn (mentioned in the fluff already, have them 'bound' by runes)
>Something like the Shard Dragon (fluff wise) from Monstrous Arcanum, not everything has to be fire fire grim grim fire
>Cherufe cavalry
>lava giants/golems
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>>85038320
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Was there any good new fluff in the rat and tree books?
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>read the Throndia book
>cool bestiary sections
Makes me sad that Monstrous Arcanum only got one volume. Also makes me sad that I fear GW won't ever do big biped dinosaurs for Seraphon because 'we established carnosaurs as aggressive'. We could just pretend they're Allosaurus equivs rather than T-Rex. So give us a T-Rex or Giganotosaurus or Spinosaurus (yes I know it was a river dweller) style dinosaur. Don't like the Dread Saurian being a fat retarded crocodile. I pretend it is like the original MA art.
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>>85038429
One day, for sure.
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>>85037193
Man, Hallowed Knights look so fucking good.
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>>85032183
Oh yeah, Heartwood Bounty Hunter Scythe Kurnoth with Treesong are going to be 3A 2+/3+ -4 D3 a lot of the time.
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>>85038454
I can't read that font. Encylopedia what? But yes, I'd love that. But I'd love it more if, like Monstrous Arcanum, there were rules and a range of models for everything. But FW is dead since Bligh passed on, RIP.
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>>85038491
>Encylopedia what?
Encyclopedia Azyrica.
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>>85038529
Ah thought so, thanks.
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>>85038429
But the Troglodon is the spinosaurus. Too T-rex-y, sure, but it has the sail and everything
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>>85038662
Nah. That's a mix of Oxalaia (or irritator challengeri) and Dilophosaurus.
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>>85038104
here's 3 mounted units
>boardroth chariot
>vulkapterix riders
>magmasilisks cavalry
here's 3 infantry units
>spear, shield and scale cape spartdwarfs
>scale caped and bird masked zharrgrimm collectors of spent ur-gold
>unit with so much gold and runes on them they count as heavily armored
here's 3 heroes
>scout hero with boarskin and head, a reptilian vulture and bolas
>ur-gold addict deprived of his runes and turned into a chained whirling self destructive maniac with fire snakes emerging from the scars of his removed runes
>fire dancing seismic priest with a two headed mace, capable of moving units and scenery
here's 3 other pieces
>auric heartguard mortar
>hybrid statue of grimnir and vulkatrix coming to incandescent life
>snapping turtle with an anvil on its shell and chains trailing behind, can pull or at least interact with the forge scenery
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>>85038429
>Spinosaurus style dinosaur
anon
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>>85038768
See the thing is, we could all come up with stuff like that. The issue is variety. Having slightly different versions of existing stuff sucks. The issue with FS is they're naked dwarfs. With Dwarfs in WHFB you had the guys that lived in the wild (rangers), you had the milita/cheap professional soldiers (warriors, thunderers etc), you had the elite (hammerers and so on) and then you had the special lads (gyrocopters etc) all smothered with artillery guys on top. But FS? How do you make them visually different? Yeah you can change the helmet they wear or the weapon they have but at the end they're still the same general design.

I personally don't think they thought Fyreslayers through but that's just me.
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>>85038732
>Nah. That's a [something that looks just like the spinosaur]
schizo moment
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>>85038783
Not really, spinosaurus doesn't spit venom and isn't blind.
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>>85038789
>But FS? How do you make them visually different?
I had made a compilation of drawn variations on the theme some time ago, wish I had it, but if you think there wasn't more variety in there than in most other armies then you're being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative

>don't think they thought Fyreslayers through
that's a given, but they can be thought through, anything can
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>>85038793
No it doesn't. Spinosaurus doesn't have long fucking arms and it doesn't spit venom either. Furthermore GW literally names river dwelling dinosaurs in 8th edition of Lizardmen tome, which is more likely to be the Spinosaurus proxy (or Oxalaia)
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>>85038798
that's why it's styled after the spinosaurus and not identical
do you want to deny that the terradons are styled after pteranodons? or bastiladon after ankilosaurus? or stegadon after triceratops? just out of some differences that don't even come close to outweigh the similarities?
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>>85038809
>Spinosaurus doesn't have long fucking arms and it doesn't spit venom either.
does the whatshisname oxalate that your underage ass dredged from obscurity spit venom or have huge fucking arms?
no, then the troglodon is your seraphon-spinosaur
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>>85038789
Capes, masks, helmet ornaments. New guy looks very different from a standard vulkite
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>>85038768
I personally disagree with the idea of FS cav but chariots with babby magmadroths and an anti-cav unit with hooked polearms would be neat. Also think flamethrower infantry would be cool. Also just give FS salamanders. Warbeast units are rad.
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>>85038898
I like the sutton hoo vibes of the new guy. I'd like to see more full-face masks on FS.
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>>85038783
Ew, why is the back sail so tiny?
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>>85033865
What is MSU?
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>>85039044
Minimum size unit.
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3e design is so whack to me like everything gets crazy buffs and the game seems very bizarre compared to 2e.
>2+ saves
>-3 rend
>Insane count as on objectives
>Ignoring range for melee
>+1 damage
It all feels very out of hand, yeah? Retaliation command abilities at the start seemed like a really significant game changer but then they went wild and obviously buffs are gated by battletomes
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>>85039089
>bought 25 brutes because they were a deal and I was drunk
>infantry meta and the special rule explicitly counters 1w infantry
Feeling good lads
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be'lakor got a power up and stepped up on the hierarchy in aos, didn't he? he's now got his very own legionnaires and starscream, after all
do you think it's time for a "mark of be'lakor" to be a thing? what rules would you give it? what symbol?
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>>85039089
i'll still take all that over 40ks strategems.

you think command abilities are hard to keep track of? try it when every army has 30 different ones
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>>85039154
Not really. He attacked one city and made a cloud that kinda hampers Stormcast rezzing, but aside from that he's basically the same as he ever was.
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>>85030269
heh!
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>>85033501
>That banner
CHONK
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>>85039227
How else is he going to beat someone to death with it?
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Does any Stormhost favour Liberators-heavy army? I have like 25 of these dudes now and I have no idea how and why to be honest.
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>>85032187
Congratulations your battleline get +1 damage against infantry with no penalty.
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>>85039154
He already has people under his blessing in vermintide.
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>>85039089
They had to put ignore melee range in because they ruined almost every battleline unit by changing unit coherency for no obvious reason.
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>>85039180
The cloud also fucks over starborn lizards, and over all distorts Azyr magic, while also spawning demons and now resurecting his #1 warrior
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>>85034606
>>85036014
My buddy plays a lot of OBR, so I play against it a lot as Skaven. He no longer takes big blocks of mortek as they get nuked by my flamethrowers (which is absolutely fucking hilarious). Now he spams msu mortek and brings either Arkhan or Naggy. To me the most annoying thing is the catapult that has like 32” range and a bravery bomb that kills like 30/60 of my clanrats on a throw.
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How big are blightkings compared to regular chaos warriors?
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>>85038454
Encyclopedia Azyrica
>Listing all the gods of the Pantheon

Bestiary of Ghurdia
>List of all the monster, animals and species of the realm

that would be the dream
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>>85039757

Thanks!
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Oh right this comic was also a thing.
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>>85039903
Pretty nice art in the black and white panels, shame that its wasted on a comic with no jokes
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>>85039903
>Black person with pink hair promoting 'snitch on your neighbours' youth culture.
Checks out.
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>>85039308
The Hallowed Knights. All you need now is Gardus, Lord-Relictor, Knight-Incantor and some shooting or whatever big units you have/like.
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>>85039903
any particular reason why it has to be an abortion of colours instead of that black and white style?
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>>85040067
Because it's a contrast. The Order of Azyr one is showing the black and white panels, showing the terrifying dread of a hunter accusing his prey. Only to pull back and show it's actually fine and he's pretty nice actually. Same with this one with the Stormcast. Showing the contrast between heroic action to basic paperwork.
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>>85039903
>black purple haired stormcast
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>>85040067
Well in this instance they just wanted to emphasize the character's skin color
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>>85040098
That's a Witch Hunter, not a Stormcast.
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>>85040098
That's clearly not an SCE.
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>>85040098
>so obsessed it can't tell the difference
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>>85040118
At a glance I thought it was a praetor.
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>>85039903
all mustori must fucking die
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So I just went over the GHB22 rules, am I crazy or are all melee Battleline just going to get double murdered by cavalry now?

Ironjawz pigs and Blood Knights are so fucking scary now.
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>>85040067
If they play it straight with this art style and make a dark girtty comic sorta like the mallus darkblade comic it would be kino af
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>>85040067
Look at what's front and centre in the colour panel.

The answer you seek becomes clear, and the reasoning with it.
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>>85040496
>that human boy with his elf thot
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>>85040753
Listen, there's a way this has to work.
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If a model has an aura of run and charge, do the affected models need to be in range after their run in order to charge? Or is it a start of movement phase thing?
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>>85038789
The red herring here is that Fyreslayers aren't just "naked dwarfs." They are Grimnir and Vulcatrix religious zealots and mercenaries for ur-gold, which they see as pieces of their dead god.

Their visual appearance is secondary to that. Games Workshop doesn't have to add ONLY naked duardin, as shown by the Auric Flamekeeper who is mostly not-naked and has a really cool armor set on. They also don't have to be only Duardin as shown by the gigantic fucking magmadroths they ride or the molten infernoth they summon.

So with that mind there's a lot of directions to take them (as evidenced by the multiple in this thread). Hell, you can even stick with "naked dwarfs" but add new weapons like specialized melee weapons, specialized ranged weapons, etc.
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>>85040910
Charge, as that's what it unlocks iirc
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>>85039635
If he's trying to use the bravery shot on the catapult it only removes a model not a unit.
>>8503719
Nah not really, stalkers trade off is that they are more mobile and can still reroll saves even with roar but you can't bring their models back and their damage profile isn't that impressive even when stacked with all the buffs. I don't think it's more than a wound or two from the same amount of mortek in points.

Tbh after hunters off the table I could see them going sub 30 percent win rate. I shelved mine for now for sbgl and nh.
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>>85039903
Neverchosen keeps winning.
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>>85041267
>If he's trying to use the bravery shot on the catapult it only removes a model not a unit.
The catapult has two bravery shots. One that rolls a dice for every model in the unit and one that targets a single model.
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>>85040480
>double murdered
Only if the units in question have only d1 attacks.
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Man they really cucked the ratling gun, it went from a 1/6th chance to kill itself with more more warplead to a 72% chance
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>>85040910
Units have to be in an aura to benefit from an aura.
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>>85040910
Read the fucking rules. An ability will read like this:
>Friendly THUNDERSCORN units wholly within 18" of the bearer at the start of your charge phase can make a charge move in that phase even if they ran in the same turn.
And it's completely awlf explanatory.
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I have 30pts to spend in a SBGL 2k list
I have no endless spells currently

should I take an endless spell? (if so, which one) or leave it for the extra triumph bid?
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I feel like the GHB is a mistake because I can't get 2+ artefacts and have fun without throwing the game to 3 count as on objective units or +1 damage against them
Just restrict this shit to a new seasonal tournament mode instead of matched play in general. Where's the narrative love in the GHB too? Fucking bullshit, who wants some TCG meta shift every few months
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>>85041683
You can just not take vets and if you have units that will already murder basic bitch 4+ save infantry, you don't need bounty hunters.
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>>85041709
Vets are the only ones that can contest some objectives and they count as 3 no matter what you do?
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>>85041726
>Vets are the only ones that can contest some objectives
Decided by the player going second in a round and only once per objective per game.
>and they count as 3 no matter what you do?
It's a fucking battalion that does that and you cant have both that and bounty hunters in the same army.
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>>85041764
>Can't have more than one battalion
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>>85041787
did you miss the part in ghb2022 where you cant have both of those battalions in one list
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>>85041595
take the boat skeleton, he's 30 points now
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>>85041595
post your list
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>>85041806
He probably had an autistic tantrum the second he saw something he didn't like and was unable to process the rest of the text.
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>>85041806
>you cant have both of those battalions
You cannot include THE SAME core battalion from those shown below more than once in your army
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>>85041806
Post what the fuck you are talking about.
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>>85042133
Anon, it's okay, let the idiot scream into the void. It's exactly like HoH and Alpha Preds, you can have one of each.
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Going to place an order for a new army tonight after I meet up with the milf I fool around with. What army for this feel??
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>>85042373

Such an obvious answer anon
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>>85042373
Pretty much has to be DoK or sylvaneth.
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>>85042417
That's actually not a bad idea. Hopefully I can still get the SC! box online for the shrine. Otherwise I'll just spam Vanguard boxes of these
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Is this a vore fetish or maw worship what’s the verdict
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>>85042373
IDK 400 year old Ahkelians have harems of younger namartis
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>>85043343
Sounds like he spent too much time fighting a Flesh-Eater kingdom and the delusions are setting in
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>>85043343
Guy ate something he shouldn't have done. Get your mind out of the gutter.
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>>85041806
Based retard
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>>85043343
Flesh eater orruks confirmed
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>>85041845
Legion of Blood

Neferata
VLoZD

20x Skellies
20x Skellies
20x Skellies

5x Blood Knights
5x Blood Knights
20x Grave Guard
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