It's Over Edition>Previous Heresy>>85014304『Horus Heresy』>Official Websitehttps://thehorusheresy.com/>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Startedhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#the-horus-heresyhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/#the-horus-heresy>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8>Thread FAQ (suggestion)https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Warhammer_Tactics/30k>Rules and supplementsTo be announced>Flufffolder/yM1yWIba#ETw9ELPJmEScSrM9WwjRCw『Adeptus Titanicus』>Rules and supplementsTo be announced>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>homemade missions:https://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html>Thread QuestionCataphractii or Tartaros Terminators?
First for Blood Angels
Second for Konrad Curze hates Blackshields
>>85022645>It's OverBut the moment has been prepared for...
>>85022651Basedbut>pic related is gone from the GW siteI thought he and Fafnir weren't limited. What gives?
thousand sons are based
>>85022663I think the GW site is going through some shit at the moment, the only thing listed in the Horus Heresy section for me are dice and books.
Always thought it's untapped potential how Chemos was one of the more modern planets out there, being ran by corporations rather than despots or cults. Was Fulgrim more of a Bill Gates or an Elon Musk?
>>85022690sounds like it was le soulless grey suits and grey concrete dystopia until Fulgrim came along and changed it
I'm getting a DG veteran squad together. I know I want to go melta with them, and have two built with meltaguns already. I'm wondering how many combi-meltas I'd want to add to a 10-man unit. Meltabombs worth it on the veteran sergeant?
>>85022684Hold on, let me fix that for you.
>>85022645>TQCataphractii power axe go whrrrrr
>>85022690Fulgrim is a theatrekid
>>85022690Neither. He was a Ric Flair.
I can't help but like Kruze he seems very based
>>85022733Very nice. I like that my shitty Cataphractii squad that I made when I first started out is marginally more useful now.
>>85022741He's the most blackpilled primarch
Thinking about getting into 30k. I was watching two people playing a scenario (salamanders vs thousand sons). looked interesting.i asked them about the new books vs old ones and they told me that the old books are useless now. stat changes/point changes and comp changes. rules are a bit different as well apparently.sigh .. might have to sell my imperial fists (primaris army) to build a 30k one.is it true? codexes / rulebook change are make the old books useless (i have all the old books in pdf)IF so are there pdfs of the new ones?Could i get away with using my old noisemarine army in 30k? (emperor's children) all my rhinos/spartans are old rt era models. I've also got some old rouge trader era death guard (not sure if they would be viable for 30k) and khorne bezerkers along with thousand sons. *just not right colors since i painted them to be black legion originally and i would repaint those to their original faction color in 30k)
>>85022741Luv Night Lords as a whole, simple as.
>>85022756These are sexy. Love fun weapons on cataphractii
>>85022777ew what a gay meme
>>85022786do you think the Emperor asked them to stop wearing human skin in the palace
>>85022805More than likely and they said no. That’s why Jago took his picture outside and not in the palace proper.
>>85022805He had them roll in gold flakes beforehand.Wish they had a consul of their own, would be p cool to have something else that can fuck with Ld. Every legion should have a consul.
>>85022784If you just want to play and don't care about the fluff and modelling, wait until there are rules for daemons of the ruinstorm and use your collection
>>85022784>is it true? codexes / rulebook change are make the old books useless (i have all the old books in pdf)For the new edition, yeah. But if you wanna play the OG, obviously not. They're also (mostly) great sources of fluff. >IF so are there pdfs of the new ones?Not yet, give scananon a minute though.>Could i get away with using my old noisemarine army in 30k?That depends, post 'em and people will loudly and violently offer you their opinions.
>>85022786MMMMMM those fucking reliefs and carvings in the wall. Fuck dude I need to learn sculpting so I can make shit like this.
What you working on HHG? I've just finished building my 2nd Sergeant, I was skeptical about this kit when it was first announced but its actually okay >Still sucks that the bodies arnt separate from the legs
>>85022849>If you just want to play and don't care about the fluff and modelling, wait until there are rules for daemons of the ruinstorm and use your collectionwell i do have both khorne deamon and tzeench deamon army. (gotta get more for nurgle and don't have anything for slanesh deamons yet)>>85022850>>Could i get away with using my old noisemarine army in 30k?>That depends, post 'em and people will loudly and violently offer you their opinions.of course. this is the interwebs.OLD dg pic
>>85022889Why is it when you post pics, you immediately spot 10 mould lines
>>85022898the newer DG look to be the right armor type but scaled larger than 30k minis?
>>85022913>>8502291360 noisemarines 2 blastmasters +8 sonic in every squad 1 of the flamer teplate for every champ. (fulgrim in the back but no stats for him deamon elevated.)
>>85022935my khorne bezerkers led by old rt era champs (i think the zerkers are 2nd edition plastics)I still haven't gone into my Rogue trader metal army in the closet to see what i might be able to use as well.
>>85022944>Khorne Beserkers >GreenAnon, the fuck is wrong with you
>>85022913>>85022935>>85022944Anon it might be your pics but these guys look like they need a fucking dusting
Im taking a master of signal for my sons of horus army but the vox disruptor array gives me a headache. What do? I don't like the high chance that my deep strikes get disorderedThe rule for vox disruptor says that regardless whether the model is friendly or enemy any attempt to perform a deep strike will be considered disordered on a roll of 1-3 instead of 1.How to negate this? CheersPic related, it my master of signal. Pretty basic stuff, bits from the new box of course
>>85022690Was it? From HH1 or HH4 i think, it was described as a planet full of blue collar workers scraping just enough resources off a depleted planet to get by. A world of concrete and mines, rather than a Bisexual Neon Megacorp society.Fulgrim's life is unironically a Mexican soap opera, as he landed among the poor, actually WORKED IN THE MINES, and worked hard and actually invented enough stuff to make Ferrus and Perturabo think twice before calling him a pansy.Single handedly pulled his iron curtain world into post scarcity, became "Planetary Chief Executive" and got married. Several times, as he outlived all his wives.He is perhaps the only Primarch who did have an actual life, meaning a job and a wife.All while looking like a femboy
>>85022949Hounds of abbadon colorscheme.>>85022961they do. been sitting on shelves for like 4 years (since the pandemic)
>>85022889>assembling most of a deimos rhino>trying to find the best paint mix for IH (not as simple as I hoped)>>85022898>>85022913>>85022898bruh learn to take pictures
>>85022974>bruh learn to take picturesi know i know they were just quick snaps to see if ppl would kiniption fit over them in a 30k game.i din't feel like clearing the top shelf in my fridge to take pics of the models (don't have a light box)
>>85022984The short answer is they aren't 30k either because of color, armor, or equipment
>>85022898>>85022913I like 'em, but they're way to plaguey and corrupted for 30k DG imo. Maybe someone here thinks they could work as a Siege-era army, but I'm not one of them.>>85022935Hard to tell, since the pic's so blurry. My gut reaction is they're ok?>>85022944Think these guys'll be fine in a post-Shadow Crusade WE army. Massive balls if you keep the green and find a way to make it fluffy.
>>85022970now he's just a deamon's fuckboi>>85022998yea i'm aware i'd have to strip/repaint stuff to play em in 30k. but would the model it self be ok (main thing before i go repainting stuff)>>85023000>Hard to tell, since the pic's so blurry. My gut reaction is they're ok?only small patches of pleaugey one has a tailmace arm. but still look 99% astartes. bonus is they are same scale as regular 30k minis) but wrong color would have to repaint.>>85023000>Think these guys'll be fine in a post-Shadow Crusade WE army.supposed to be the colorscheme of Hounds of Abbadon. so i don't know if they were arround during the siege of terra.The noisemarines in >>85022935 might work since no mutations of any kind on em and all have sonic weapons. But i don't know if you can go 100% sonic weapons with Emperor's children in 30k.
>>85023039>i don't know if you can go 100% sonic weapons with Emperor's children in 30k.
>>85022970>its a mexican soap operawhy do mexicans say this about everything
the traitor praetor makes for a nice chaplain as a loyalist. Can really lean into the sinister aesthetic.Have a little bit of tidying up and trying out decals, but otherwise this fella is done
>>85022645>Thread QuestionTartaros was designed too small, in comparisons it looks like kid's menu termie armour
>>85022889Just finished assembling and magnetizing my first contemptor, though I've got a lot of gap filling to do. That kit did not go together well.About to start assembling my first axe praetor. I was going to convert him to a boring Stormwing centurion, but he seems too big and flashy for that. Probably turn him into a Dreadwing consul of one kind or another. I think the brutal appearance would suit them pretty well.
>>85022734Backstage drama is way too small in that pic.
Is there a Titan Legio that is particularly associated with the Dark Angels? I'm planning on playing Dark Angels in HH, and I want to theme my nascent Legio with my main army.
>>85023064There are enough Mexican soap operas that they have covered every kind of story ever I guess Don't let him talk anymore, he might start acting like cocacola is mexican culture
>>85023079Are the twin heavy bolters worth it?
>>85023052I am assuming the Kakophony suqads being taken as troops qualify as the sonic weapon units) and that works under Rite of War:"IIIrd company elite. but looks like they will be extra expensive due to 30 pts per squad sugical upgrades. (fuck it why not) i think i may be repainting my noisemarines for 30k (and would still be a good color scheme for 40k)horns on some of the helms could be written off as surgical augmentation?
>>85022898If the Daemons of the Ruinstorm book still has "possessed marines" in it, the DG guys would probably work well for that. Bit too chaotic for the rest of the HH, though.
>>85023088Solaria I think accompanied them during the Ragdian genocide. During the Thramas Crusade there was a loyalist legio that was involved and I think fought with them.
>>85022645what are some nice clawed power gloves to get on lernean terminators? I dig the Hydra aesthetic and the lore on these guys goes to great lengths to describe how their purpose is to look as menacing as they can, and specialize in a problematic combat style to cause havoc, so i need something brutal.
>>85023069I think I like this.
>>85022968It's basically fucked outside of local group rule change or errata
>>85023143ok so basically the average mutated model will be out of ruinstorm but more pure stuff would be ok for 30k. I guess i'll be repainting my noisemarines for Rite of war IIIrd company (6 10 man squads) and then supporting them with 2 spartans, 1 doredo (fw) 2 Leviathan dreads a fire raptor and 4-6 rhinos and put a Warhound titan as a cherry on top (old armorcast one)
>siege of terra traitor strength>Word Bearers elements>Night Lords elementsWhat was the rest of their legions up to during the siege?
>>85023148I think you'd likely be best off just giving them Cataphractii Lightning claws and maybe shortening the talons if you can. If you have them modelled with a single claw and tell people they're counts-as power fists, I'm sure it'll be fine.
To the Thousand Sons anon asking about armour marks from last thread: this isn't really an issue of mixing armour, but it's a mockup for an army I ended up never making since life (and a lack of people interested in HH) happened. The symbol is from shapeways and the alternate shoulder pad on the rightmost picture is from the Sanguinary Guard kit (I was going to shave off the existing symbol at its center and greenstuff on a scarab). The legs, arms, and backpack are from the mkIV plastic kit. Head and chest are FW.Maybe this will give you some ideas.
>>85023127Not unless you get a bonus to heavy bolters for your legion. They're easily outshone by the dual-volkite, kheres, and autocannons. Not only are those superior anti-infantry weapons, they're also better for mixing with other guns because they can threaten a wider range of targets, complimenting the other gun and compensating for a low number of high-strength shots with a high number of mid-strength shots.
>>85023178When it comes down to it, whatever you wanna run is okay for any game. If you like the models, let the grognards grumble. But yes, those would be more appropriate in a daemon army than a general DG one. Love seeing those old Plague Marines, though. That really takes me back.
>>85023193Oh, and the other shoulder pad is from the current rubric marine plastic kit. forgot to mention that.
>>85023069Surprised I haven't seen one turned into a moritat for a similar reason. Give him the others left arm volkite and anything else in his right and you'd be good to go.
>>85023064What are some soap operas you know, anon? Your mom did watch them, right? Otherwise that answers your question>>85023089;^)
>>85022889Finished the first squad for shattered legions, Raven Guard squad still need to get the transfers to complete the picture.Next will be My salamander dread or building the terminators in Iron hands colours. got some ideas for that.
>>85023197Maybe volkite culverins have too many shots now idk. How would heavy bolters be able to compete at all?
Are there any good sources for beginners on how to build an army?
How would you feel about a reboot of tabletop battlefleet gothic set in the horus heresy?
>>85022889posted it last thread had a break to do some errands and I'm back trying to finish this dread
>>85023317That would kind of suck. No Necrons, no Tau, no fully Chaos. If it was like AT there'd be no Orks or Eldar either!I'd much rather have a full BFG, and they can have an extra set of rules for playing battles set in the Horus Heresy
>>85023181>WBKor Phaeron and the crew of the Infidus Imperator were stuck on Sicarus after getting wrecked by Gage. Lorgar's faction was probably off burning loyalist worlds and sulking.>NLScattered across Ultima Segmentum after Thramas IIRC.
>>85023181>WBbeing butthurt about Lorgrar getting BTFO by Horus>NLbeing leaderless schizos
>>85022850Hate to tell you anon, scananon has been gone for a while now
>>85023336>no tauthis is a good thing
>>85023088Can I piggyback off this question and ask: Were there any Knight Legions for Word Bearers? A friend of mine bought me a a straight fucking Magaera for my Birthday.
>>85023307Probably somewhere other than here
>>85023333I dig it. I'm not crazy about even the slightest bit of OSL, but pink on nightlords looks great. Thank you for actually being like one of the few people on here who seems to highlight their skulls after putting a wash over them. Pet peeve of mine. Bone cape, what's that from? And are the skulls on top from Harken Worldclaimer?
>>85023088>Titans hanging out with AngelsCall them Legio Nerva or Legio Evangelium.
>>85022645>blackhieldPlay RG>Underhanded tactics>NO GODS NO MASTERS>Rag tag group with different special rules depending on type.>Ashen Claws>Predation Fleets
Very curious about how to make a Headhunter Leviathal army work. Here's what I've got so far with elements I've built up. >2 small HH squads with Meltas infiltrate/scout near armour for turn 1 popping. >1 larger HH squad with banestrike combibolters hangs out nearby to pop characters, valuable infantry squads>Cheap sniper scout squad hangs out in midfield to further kill characters>Master of Signals chills in backfield to get reliable reinforcement from turn 2 onwards>He babysits either lascannon or volkite HS squad>Have rhino-riding tacticals show up from turn 2 to advance upfield, take objectives>Have missile-launcher carrying javelins arrive via outflank, harass vulnerable units>Spartan deathstar in reserve???
>>85023417I like to try a different technique with every batch of models I paint. been putting off attempting real OSL and not shitty airbrush OSL so I thought now would be ok.the bones are all locally sourced but the cape itself is just greenstuff and yeah the trophy is from Haarken
Since it's time for newfag questions, what's the most thematic legion if I just want gunlines of heavy weapon infantry?IW are obvious even if for just tyrant termis and the bonus strengthDG HSS can haul ass across the tableIF are kitting out their HSS with mini-kheresanything not obvious that I missed?
still hasn't shipped
>>85023307Nobody here actually plays in the real world, so you're unlikely to get much help.
So am I reading this right, the WB Serated sun ROW longger requires you to have all your troops in transports anymore?
>>85023508I didn't get my shipping notice until the day the pre order dropped even though the store manager had received the box several days earlier. Did you order to your house or a store?
>>85023480IF can also get HSS with Line thanks to their unique Consul
>>85023529my house. I ordered a decal sheet a couple days later when I settled on a Legion, and that arrived Saturday
where can i find the 2.0 rules for the deimos pattern whirlwind scorpius
>>85023611In the Heavy Support section of the army book. It's called the Legion Scorpius Squadron
>>85022663still up there for me
>>85023575At least the rulebook should be in Pdf in a week or so.
>>85023631Weird. It's back up for me too. Like the other anon said, it looks like GW's site was having a little fucky wucky briefly.
Do any recasters make the newer thunderhawk?The only ones I can find are the older model thunderhawk.
>>85023665probably overnight maintenance
>buy black pigment for weathering>slap some on a base to test>powder disappears>???>put more on>see it move and clump onto a specific spot>it's attracted to the magnet glued to the bottom of the base>put some magnets next to the bottle of pigment>pic rel>vallejo black weathering powder is just fucking iron filings
>>85023696That sure is a lot of iron within.
>>85023696Didn't you post this before
people posting the same story in multiple threads always makes me momentarily trip out
>>85023696pour some water in it and you'll have red weathering powder then
Don't drink any of the XVI Legion's moonshine. It's a pretty vengeful spirit.
>>85023740I'm pretty sure I've only ever complained about this to a couple of guys at the LGSapologies if my memory's a little fucky wucky if that wasn't the case
>>85023696There's too much iron... in your blood!
>>85023307If you have people locally that play ask them and they can explain things like rites of war, if a bunch of people are starting fresh along side you I would say just start with a character 20 tactical marines in rhinos, a contemptor and some extra thing that catches your eye like 5 terminators.It's not going to be the most competitive 1000 points, but you have to learn to play the game so you can figure out what you actually want to do.
>>85023784The IX Legion needs to eat more fiber. They've always got a red tear in their backside.
Perturabo would be a terrible bartender. He's got nothing but bitters.
>>85023686Nice, didn't wasn't too keen on trying to build dreadclaws again.How important is scoring these days, I can't seem to get a solid verdict so far.
Angron runs a mean deli. He's got being a butcher nailed down
>>85023831thank you for your eternal vigilance anon
210 points seems like a good chunk for 5 dudes with plasma repeaters and chainswords, what do you lads think?
god I need so many fucking bolt pistols
>>85023333>>85023857Well done on the skulls and chains, it's just the right amount without being too busy
>>85022686I'm seeing most of it, but most of the legion transfers are no longer available.
>>85023892GW better release a despoiler upgrade kit or assault marines soon. It's too damn expensive sourcing appropriate CCW arms.
>>85023857Hell yeah man that shit is tight!
>>85023892We need a pistol box that is 10 left and 10 right of each
>>85023934>>85023921Imagine 2 upcoming boxes>Despoiler/Assault Marine box with melee weapon arms, whole lotta chainswords and bolt pistols, jump packs>pic related but in plastic, with more redundant options (think 5 sets each of lightning claws, 5 of every kind of power weapon)While the heavy and special weapon upgrade boxes are great, it kind of leaves melee legions wanting.
>>85023880I'd limit repeaters to special weapons in Veteran Squads. Taking a full unit of them seems like a quick way to waste a lot of points and roll far too many armor saves.
>>85023812The real question is... which First Captain would make the best bartender?
>>85024027Tough one.Forrix would make sure your favourite was always in stock but wouldn't be very conversational.Qin Xa would probably give you good advice and would listen patiently but you'd probably have to down a lot of sake.Ahriman literally makes wine as a hobby so good that primarchs like it.
>>85023696grind up charcoal for black pigment.
Are the Mk IV legs the same length as the Mk III legs? I want to have some marines in half and half but not if they need to stand on rocks to be even
>>85023979This is all I want. I'm currently not interested in the big box.because the 40 Tacticals.cant be built into Despoilers without buying $100 worth of stuff from. 3rd party sellers
>>85024207it's amazing how many locals bought the box only to realize that tacticals are boring as hell and now need millions of bits to scrape a fun army from it
>>85024221I kind of assumed they released the special/heavy weapons kit at the same time for a reason. Break up the beakies with specialist stuff.
>>85022889Just got a recast of an old World Eaters Chaos Dread body I'm gonna shave the Khorne symbol off and convert with normal dread bits. What should the loadout be? Obviously a big melee focus but I haven't had a look at the new rules to see if there's any difference from the old ones in terms of Dreadnought Talon weapon options.
>>85024244Who's gonna tell him?
>>85024150Sigismund would take your order with a scowl, and then just serve you straight whiskey regardless.Eidelon would probably be the most collossal dick of a wine sommolier you could possibly find.
Alright hhg, you have 200 points left over for your army listWhat are you taking?
>>85024244Boxnaughts are currently not a thing in HH2.0
>>85024275Kharn only knows how to make the Rusty Nail. Raldoron is solid all around but everything he makes tastes suspiciously coppery. Abaddon has no arms with which to serve drinks. Marius Gage's cocktail arsenal is as varied as Raldoron's but nobody knows where the fuck he is. Gabriel Santar is a beer aficionado but never serves his beer with a good head. Nobody wants whatever lurks in Typhon's drinks cabinet.
>>85022645I tried my hardest /tg/ I tried painting to the best of my ability and i still feel like its shit.
>>85024276No I don't
>>85024313I feel like the gold came out good, but i cant be happy with anything on the white.
>>85024313Good Job Anon Magnus looks very good.Now do the base
>>85024313>>85024321Looks fine to me, maybe even good
>>85024321>>85024313My rune work sucks on the scrolls and fuck who ever sculted all the filagre on his cape, shit sucks, im calling him Joseph, because of his fucking dream coat bullshit.
>>85024321>>85024313Yeah, the white's a little so-so. Still, the rest of the model is really good, with the skin tone in particular coming out really nice. It's not overly flashy like so many instawhore paintjobs you see, it's very grounded and real-looking. Very nice.
>>85024326Thank you kind anons, I need to do his base. >>85024328Thank you.
>>85024343Thank you, i had a lot of trouble finding out what fucking color to paint it, because i have heard him described as having, red, copper, tanned, bronze, golden skin ect ect so i said fuck it, and just used reapers shadowed skin.
>>85024337the white could use a slight wash.
>>85024356I should have gotten the other side of the cloak it has a light toasted brown shade on it, i struggle with linen white in terms of shade
Decided last second that my alpha legion will have bronze shoulders
>>85023333the failure to deface the aquila or scrape it off...[spoilers]Shameful
>>85023307They'd be out of date. The defunct Radio Free Isstvan podcast had a great mini-series on expanding from the Betrayal at Calth box. Goonhammer has legion-specific articles that a lot of us take issue with, but they'd help a beginner. The Outer Circle (YouTube) has some but they're more focused on what fluffy minis you should buy than army-building.The old advice was:>Pick a legion based on colors and fluff>Pick a Rite of War based on what you'd like to build and paintThat's where you pick whether you want your army to be mechanized infantry (the norm), footsloggers (awful in the previous rules), Drop-based, jump pack heavy, mostly bikes or jetbikes, mostly tanks, etc. This is not the game for taking a little bit of each.>Praetor with all the defensive and close-combat upgrades>What squad is he attached to? Is it big enough to be a "Death Star"? If so, max it out and stuff it in a Spartan or Kharybdis. It'll be a one-dimensional army though.>Any way to avoid taking Tactical Marines? Do so if possible.>Do you have enough scoring units? Are they mobile?>How will you deal with light tanks, dreadnoughts, and heavy tanks? Maybe even flyers. Find something.>Give the army a story.
>>85024398For what? The shoulder?
>>85024200>armor mixingget out reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>85024373Take the blackpill, Anon.
>>85023979Heres to hoping the despoiler box will be MkII marines
>>85024221At least my locals all realized that and bought heavy/support kits. Unfortunately the heavy kit I want isn't put yet, though.
>>85024407I want to cut a mk III and IV torso in half and meld them together too. I'll take pictures and repost them over and over and over and over and over
>>85024421I hope you're playing Iron Hands or Salamanders.
are double fist contemptors any good?
>>85024428they look cool
How is /hhg/ equipping their Vets/Reavers/Palatines etc. this edition?I'm leaning towards a vet or reaver squad with two power lances, two power axes and an apothecary with a combi-grenade launcher so the squad can at least Pin stuff when shooting. I'd like some meltaguns too for AT and Death Dealers, but that's starting to get really expensive for a squad that doesn't have all-round power weapons.
Reminder to AL players: be sure to paint some of your Rewards of Treachery in their OG colors, as both Mobius Configuration and Coils of the Hydra describe your new units as patsies designed to take fire while the Alphas move in for the kill. If you use either of those, they aren't intended to be stolen tech.
>>85024255>>85024287Are you fucking serious? How does that even make sense? Did Bjorn get pried out of a Contemptor at some point and get shoved in a boxnaught? One of the interesting parts about HH is that there's the fancy tech that's long lost by 40k standing next to the workhorse patterns that will become vaunted relics because they're the only thing still around by then. I mean, it's a recast that didn't cost much and I can still play 1.0 but damn.
>>85023892>>85023921>>85023934>>85023979oh wow I bet those weapons are gonna look cool just like the new power fist and lightning claw! I'm especially looking forwards to GW making ASSault marines with even bigger and fatter ASS than tacticals.
>>85024398Base is VMC burnt iron highlighted with Vallejo model color steel. Then I took Tamiya clear blue and green mixed at a ratio of 6:2 thinned it down a decent bit. Sprayed it through an airbrush with about 3 coats. Then I pin washed it with Windsor and Newton umber mixed with some black and red (could not find burnt umber). Undersuit is just contrast black templar. Shoulder is Balthazar gold highlighted by the lighter bronze gw makes. Base is literally a copy of the pissed aussie's (the outer circles basing with pigments video)
>>85024474wait for pdf or play with homebrew rules (T6 with everything else being from old rules) with non spergs. simple as that.
>>85024492jesus, the amount of shit that goes into making something that looks so basic is staggering
>>85024474They left out a bunch of old units that never got Heresy-specific models but were in the rules to pad out the roster, which was fairly short for the first few years of the game.They're apparently going to put them in a book of legacy rules. I'm looking forward to it for my attack bikes.
>>85023508same, but i only ordered an ahriman lol
>>85024447>>85024428I got two, so im building one as a double fist and one as double lascannon.
>>85024496It's pretty quick. Nice, simple, quick base for an alpha legion color.
>>85024415I would but I'm sick of black shoulder pads.
>Spartan Land Raider Assault Tank>tank>It's an AFV
>>85024583Fuck, I meant IFV. I was also thinking APC for designations.
>>85024588>IFV with 10 lascannon barrels """Infantry"""
Have faith, Word Bearers.Have grit, Iron Warriors.We will defeat the Smurfs and the cringy Blackshields TOGETHER.
>>85024603>it transports infantry
Need display board ideas for Word Bearers. Open to anything. Ideally something I can do on a 2x2 or 22 inch x 30 inch so I can submit it for armies on parade. Want to make this alongside my army. Ideas so far:-Void-terrain on the exterior of the Calth shipyard-Istvaan 3 against Ravenguard (this feels too boring)-Not a "historic" thing but I had an idea for demonic terrain a-la the ground like the eclipse from berserk. I've sculpted a similar thing for a single large base before for someone, not too hard but doing a lot might be daunting.-"Temple battle" against ultramarines within some ruins of some kind.On top of this, I know I can't have literally my entire force on there, but ideally I'd want to have-Argel Tal-Lorgar-Erebus (?)-Kor Phaeron (?)-Gal Vorbak-Some dreadnoughts. Probably a Leviathan and a Mhara Gal. -Tac Marines (mk iv)-Some vehicle. Not sure what.
>>85024625Daemon World sounds pretty lit. What kind of terrain are you basing them with?
I don't have access to the core rulebook at present, does Shred let you reroll any To Wound roll or only rolls that failed to wound at all?
>>85024643So far none of them are actually based bc of this. Was originally intending just something very basic, like how the forgeworld bases are (painted over sand and pigment), but now I'm thinking I want to incorporate or instead just fully go for whatever matches the color tone of what I'd be going for. I'll post this again next week probably with pics of my stuff & some more thoughts on it but just posted today as a primer. Honestly I may combine demon world + temple/hall idea to show a shadow-crusade era ultramar world thats "infected" with ruinstorm. can have cracked sections of the ground with demons crawling up or faces in it.
>>85024583Packs more firepower than most actual tanks so I'd say that's a fair designation.
>>85023431Rip not being able to have tanks on the field. What if they were in Allies?
>>85024583>It's an AFVArmoured Fursonnel Vehicle?
>>85024684Armored Fighting Vehicle
>>85022889Just finished painting my Word Bearers Praetor
>>85024658That's a pretty ambitious project but it sounds awesome, you should give it a shot.
>>85024685Sounds like a long way of saying Assault Vehicle to me.
Decided the best RoT to synergize with Headhunter Leviathal is Tyrant Siege Terminators just so you can get an anti-armor infantry unit that can fire several wounds to the end of the board on turn 1. Feels a bit basic, especially when they don't benefit from Wrack and Ruin. Only other contender is the Contemptor-Osiron, but that's only a single 2-shot lascannon.
>>85024687Very nice. Theres nothing wrong with bits matching but Im not usually a huge fan (40k cross HH I mean), but CSM stuff just fits so well on WB. >>85024688Yeah its definitely ambitious but its nice bc its sort of something to work on alongside. It might not even be done this year just with how my projects flow, but its just something to sort of have on the side.Like I said in the other response Ill try to post infrequent updates every few weeks or so if people are interested in seeing it.
>>85024583Designwise it's a lot closer to the original WW1 tanks than MBTs are. Checkmate, tank autists.
>>85024841The WW1 tanks were MBTs. Do people just not know what tanks are? It'd be like calling every waterborne vessel a kayak.
>>85024687hello flexing good work
Thinking of running this guy as my AL saboteur. I have one already assembled and primed, but not painted. What I'm not sure is if I should pain him as a Dark Angel and suggest he was infiltrating them? I'm not sure how much overlap DA and AL had, and I'm planning on taking Dark Furies as my stolen unit and saying they got the gear from the Drop Site Massacre, so that makes fitting in a DA guy even harder. Additionally, what's the easiest way to remove the book, skulls etc? Do I just have to carefully file away for an hour, or is there something better?
>>85024669Yeah, allied tanks are fine. It makes running mobius configuration with Headhunter Leviathal a bit more valuable, actually.
>>85024476The new power fist and lightning claw look great anon. >>85024473>Within the Alpha Legion's ranks were entire cadres of warriors trained to match the tactics, organization and weaponry of both friend and foe, all kept secret for the day they could be deployed to the greatest and most shocking effect. Makes it sound like RoT units should be Alpha Legionaries with knockoff homegrown equipment, not patsies designed to take fire. I'm glad, that justifies my plans of building a unit of homemade Suzerains with Lernean Termie axes.
>>85024903AL had agents in every legion. Even implanted their own guys with butcher's nails, and in one case had them possessed by demons. These guys then returned to the legion to share their knowledge. So yeah, you can do it. I wouldn't paint it as a literal dark angel marine though. Maybe paint it fully as alpha legion, varnish, then go back over with chipping medium and paint it like the dark angel paint is chipping off. The bigger issue is how many librarian icons and shit cover the damn thing.>what's the easiest way to remove the book, skulls etc?That's an old fine-crap model isn't it? A sharp hobby-knife and patience. Maybe a dremel if you're careful. It won't be quick.
>>85025036Nah, it's plastic. Was part of the Dark Vengeance set.Reckon I can get away with leaving the keys, and just removing the skulls and book? Probably need to remove the crap on the knees too, but I have a feeling that'll be really hard to get at.
I only just realised that Rage is in addition to the attack from charging rather than instead of, so one Justaerin charging an engaged unit can swing his thunder hammer six times.That quite resolves my grumble about Justaerin pricing, time to get some boys in black and give them hammers and axes.
>>85025036>AL had agents in every legion.I wonder if the AL and TS infiltrated each other and whether they knew of each others' infiltrators.
>>85024244>Anger is the right of every sentient being
Heresy Thursday is here. What'll it be?
>>85025114Except for the Dark Angels.
>>85025129Assault upgrade box, hopefully. I want an easy way to build Despoilers.
>>85025157That would be fantastic.
>>85025114the SW squads sent to watch over every Primarch were ALTS
>>85023993Thats kinda where I was leaning so thanks for the reassurance anon
>>85023993Yeah but the idea of shitting Plasma all over a specific unit is awsome
>>85025114I suddenly want a story about an Alpha Legion operative who is really a Hidden One and a Hidden One who is really an Alpha Legion operative starting to get suspicious of each other.
>>85025026>The new power fist and lightning claw look great anon.Gonna have to press X to doubt on that one
>>85025129Filler week again, resin shoulderpads/helmet for NL
>15+kek. also what do cursor and box symbols mean?
>>85025237You aren't that new. If you don't know what those symbols mean then you need to actually fucking kill yourself.
>>85025224I don't understand what they think drawing out another potentially limp dick launch is going to do for their game. People need fucking guns and swords and jump packs and shit for their fucking units, since the original cadfuckers didn't feel the need to put them in the original boxes.
>>85025237I would type this out in an obnoxious European accent to mock you, but I don't have the time or energy for that. So instead I'm just going to tell you to go fuck yourself.
>>85025247>you VILL learn corpo talk!>>85025258>I was gonna rite you a snarky essay, but instead I wrote you a snarky essay anywayr*ddit underage hoes mad their mommy won't buy them expensive toys due to <15
>>85025253>hh boomers want the rulebook as soon as possible, to get it they need to buy hundreds of pounds of plastic models>later gw reveal special much nicer hardback rulebook>hh boomers need this as they had all the old fancy hardback books so they buy itthey've now bought a shit ton of stuff they wouldn't originally have bought if it all released at once. also by spreading out releases they can keep brainlets interested
>>85024871aren't WW1 tanks just armored infantry support tanks? they're slow as shit and 'MBT's' imply they have the mobility of light tanks
>>85025276they were the main tanks of the battle at least lol
>>85024871>It'd be like calling every waterborne vessel a kayak.No, it'd be like calling every waterborne vessels "boats." Or all handguns "pistols." Just because "tank" in military terminology has a set role, doesn't mean in colloquial terminology "tank" doesn't simply mean an armoured and tracked vehicle.People are too hung up on the fact it can transport people and overlook that it packs a lot of firepower (kitted out Spartan has more lascannons than 3 LR Annihilators or 2 Predator Annihilators), heavy armour, and the design was based on a battle tank Land found.
do any casters sell just the wulfen shields? sw player looking for better shields than the fw kit
>>85025214And then they fugg?
>>85025454Yes. Just as the Callidus they are trained in operational pansexuality.
>>85025441>sw player looking for better shields than the fw kitAoS ironbreaker dwarf shields seem like a good idea if you can find them in bits sellers.They also can be used for WS.
>>85025464Should be easy considering they're a dual kit and the other build (with guns instead of shields) was strong for quite a while.
how come so many people like the metallic AL/1K recipes?they look awful
>>85025464I appreciate it but those are going to be smaller than even the fw kit
>>85025514Normal axes and combat shields aren't supposed to be as big as the powered equivalents, anon. They'll also look better proportioned than they look in mk3 or mk4.
>>85022970Fulgrim is just a CEO type like Bezos, Musk, Buffet or Carnegie with practical skills and social skills.
>>85025514They're bigger than they look. Check out this dakka thread: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/595648.page
>>85025525>>85025546traditional round shields cover and area from the knee to the neck
>>85024903DA and TS were the only legions immune to infiltration. I'd shave off the iconography at least.
>>85024150>Forrix would make sure your favourite was always in stock but wouldn't be very conversationalPerfect bartender then. Let me enjoy my dark ales and porters in peace.
>>85025546>https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/595648.pageHoly shit what a fucking tastelet
>>85025566>DA and TS were the only legions immune to infiltration.What CAN'T the DA do? Goddamn the wank is off the charts
>>85025585Funnily enough the DA were also very good at wanking
>>85025585Use acid molecular shells this edition.
>>85025566Dang. That's gonna make it much harder, especially as I'm already worried about screwing up the model. It's not really one I can easily replace if I fuck it up. Good to know, at least.
>>85023696Many pigments are just iron or literal dirt.
>>85025495sets them apart from the other red and blue legions.
>>85025566IIRC the AL infiltrated the Librarius of the TS, not sure about the DA.
>>85025562>traditional round shieldsMaybe in the real life middle ages, but we're talking about fantasy sci fi dudes here, anon>>85025570Yeah, but the photos are useful to see how those axes and shields look in SW. They're fine IMO.
>>85025706Do you know of a caster that sells Wulfen shields or no?
Okay, so just to make sure I understand the loreThe Mechanicum COULD build robots. All the ones in HH were ones that were being built brand new, and they all had a 'cybernetic cortex' that was JUUUUST dumb enough to not count as AI.But during the HH half of the Mechanicum turned traitor (including most of the Legio Cybernetics), most of these robots were destroyed, and the war revealed just how many of these machines can go full Terminator given enough time.Thus after the HH, with much reduced political standing and basically no robots left, the Mechanicum decided to stop making them, mothball what was left, and break out the inferior DAoT Kastelan.So the lack of HH robots during 40k is not an issue of lost knowledge but a purely political issue. Is that right?
>>85025762Anon those are not robots, there's human brains and other bits in there
>>85025762>the lack of HH robots during 40k is not an issue of lost knowledgeIt's an issue of the guy that was writing the rules for them dying and them not bothering with the project anymore
>>85025783No they aren't. We're not talking about servitors. We're talking about stuff like castellax and vulturax
Fires of Cyraxus when?
>>85025793>It's an issue of the guy that was writing the rules for them dying and them not bothering with the project anymorewhere's the cause, chef?
>>85025821Fuck, so it is. My bad.
>>85023921i just used whatever arms and chainsword i could find, scraped off the chaos arrows from their chainswords and bolt pistols, etc. it looks bootleggy as fuck but those were really the only arms and swords i had, plus the mk VII arms and the mk VI arms are nearly identical so it doesnt bother me, and the shoulder pads cover most of it anyways. the reason i didnt wait for a despoiler kit is cuz i just wanna finish everything i can now with the boxset, which GW fucked me over with by releasing the heavy bolter bolter kit instead of the volkite culverin one, meaning i have 5 marines left just twiddling their non existent thumbs inside the box, and since i dont have an abundance of combi meltas (literally just one), my entire veteran squad is stuck handless
Why don't you dudes at least wait a few months to see all the HH releases GW are gonna put out?You're tearing your hair out about despoiler/assault/whatever marines while there's a decent chance GW will make a kit for it.
>>85025807>he doesn't know
>>85025762>'cybernetic(a) cortex' that was JUUUUST dumb enough to not count as AI.no, the point of using a cybernetica cortex over a normal machine is that it's organic (which is why it's affected by poison on an extra roll instead of being immune) instead of being a silica animus.>the war revealed just how many of these machines can go full Terminator given enough time.they already knew that, especially in the case of the scyllax which doesn't even have a cybernetica cortex and instead uses cogitator banks>So the lack of HH robots during 40k is not an issue of lost knowledge but a purely political issue. Is that right?No, it's still lost knowledge because most forgeworlds didn't have the stc templates and a majority of those that did destroyed theirs.
>>85025879anon we're talking about the same people who couldn't wait a year from the leaks for this box set and bought resin beakies.
>>85025495Metallic AL looks good, ksons doesn't and I'm tired of pretending it ever does.
>>85025879because i spent 3 hours yesterday rummaging around a bunch of half empty sprues looking for chainsword and bolt pistol bits and now my thousand sons despoiler squads in mostly mk VI armor has gloves on some arms instead of gauntlets, and some have bulkier bolt pistols than others. i think it looks cool, makes it seem like these guys are ill equipped against the rest of the armor since theyre the only non veteran melee squad, but it also looks kinda dumb imo? plus the poses were hella limited in what i could do thanks to the bits i used
>>85025903really? personally i like candy red tsons, makes em stand out from the other red and gold legion if you dont have any of the resin upgrade kits
>>85025879>you dudesjust a bunch of consoomer niggers who want to consoom. those who want mk6 despoilers/assault squads instead of mk2/3/4/5 already printed/converted some. of course they could complain about it to GW directly via email/facebook, but they would rather not talk back to their silicon mommy lest they insult "her". so instead they vent here.
>>85025920im a newfag who doesnt want to spend twice as much on resin than i could on plastic, anon. why would i have resin despoilers
>>85025949>he doesn’t know No one here buys more than a trickle from FW.
>>85025961true but my russia man, well yknow, and i havent found a china man replacement. i also just really hate resin
>>85025762>he lack of HH robots during 40kThere's no real lore reason. Like the lack of Skitarii/Imperial Army in 30k, this is all about GW/FW wanting to keep separate mini ranges between the two games due to internal politics/marketing reasons.Most of the 40k/30k admech/mechanicum stuff exist in both eras with a few exceptions whose STCs were lost, or they were discovered after the war (like serberys raiders).
Which unit is the most fun for a Blood Angel siege breaker to accompany? Assault cannon legionaries because throwing as many dice as possible to fish for rending is fun? Terminators with combi weapons because they can benefit from his ranged buff while still allowing him to smack stuff in close combat*? *that is if i build him with a thunderhammer or chainfist to smack vehicles and building to death until they stop living.
>>85026025>or they were discovered after the war (like serberys raiders).Why would pre Imperium humanity have STCs for turning two people into a robo horse?
GOD DAMMIT WHY THE FUCK CAN'T I DECIDE ON A LEGION REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>85026070Sorry, I was mistaken. It wasn't the serberys, but the engine used in ironstriders/sydonian dragoons:https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ironstrider_Engine
>>85025762>mothball what was left, and break out the inferior DAoT Kastelan.As I understand it, the Kastelan isn't inferior, they just swapped the cybernetics for a simple cogitator unit that the datasmith has to keep reprogram during the battle. That's why they have the removable breastplate with card slots behind it and different cards the smith can slit in there. There are Kastelans in the fluff that operate independently, indicating they retain their more advanced brain stuff.
>>85026108Start with the basics. What are the factions you like the fluff of? Narrow it down there.
>>85026120All of them
>>85026136Pick your top 3. You may like them all, but some will stand out.
>>85026115I love those feral Kastelans, appearing out of nowhere, saving the day and then going back to wherever they came from and the admach just sees it as a blessing of the Omnisiah and carrys on with whatever it wants to do
>>85026115there are also AI kastelans in that RG novel
>>85025908It just looks so bad. That shiny candy apple red ain't it. Looks like the paintjob on a Hot Wheels.
Making my Justaerin but can't decide on the final loadout, out of a 10 man squad was going to go with 5 carsoran axes (I know they aren't bis but I like their look and lore), two lightning claws and two power fists (one power fister would get a meltagun too). Should I add a chainfist somewhere?
>>85026146It's a shame that the derpy head dome in the Castellax ruins its otherwise cool 1950s robot aesthetics.
>>85026142The problem is I am a paintfag and hobbyfag first and foremost.SoH look fun to paint but I dislike a lot of the legion-specific models (especially Horus himself - I detest that model). Don't know their playstyle very wellDark Angels models are sexy (they're newer) but black is fucking boring to paint.Alpha Legion look fun to paint and their models are nice, but painting the bigger vehicles is going to be fucking hard when a lot of the AL colour scheme requires washes to turn them blue.Dilemma.
>>85026165at least they aren't a single piece with the body and there are some 3rd party heads specifically for them
>>85026108what is your favourite coloureasy
>>85026108bonk or shoot or both?
>>85026165Wish we got updated versions of the old Castellans. Troll Soup had some, but they went OOP before I could get any.
>>85026207I quite like balanced forces, so a bit of both. Assume DA, UM and SoH fit this bill nicely.
>>85026218casters like troll soup and satyr studios' fomo business model really annoy me. i don't notice shit i want until its gone.
>>85026222DA and NL more than anyone fit this
Finally settled on TS, had a quick question though. Did they have any alt color squads? Wanted to make one of the beakie squads seekers but figured they should be more distinct from the tacticals than just a shoulder pad swap. Giving them different bolters would also be pretty messy with how they've separated the hands too
>>85026165Now I'm imagining a bit stomping around going on about "Danger Will Robinson!" just to fuck with his supervisory tech priest
>>85026180NTA but DA arent *just* black, their veterans (or anyone that you give deathwing upgrade to) can swap armor pieces with bone white, or maybe an entire company has a bone white shoulderpad to represent a terrible loss in a battle, etc. also AL doesnt need a wash to make em metallic blue, spray paint silver and then paint over with transparent or contrast blue
>>85026272Do 'em with bone instead of white & as beakies.
>>85026272i dont think so, could be wrong, but if youre going loyalist they had a completely different paint scheme pre magnus, and a lot of loyalists from traitor legions reverted to their old schemes
>MkVI>RTb01 sub-mark mass issue by the Siege of TerraAre those supposed to be the new beakies? because they don't look at all like the "RTB01" plastic beakies from RT, those are closer to the FW resin minis that were sold as the initial run pre-heresy. What a mess. I wonder what ego-fueled bullshit happened inside GW to make odd MkVI models with all those mkIV features and sell them as the standard MkVI.
>>85026180If you're a paintfag first, that makes it easier. If you don't like the models, that takes SoH out of it. AL you can view it as a challenge, if you're worried about the vehicle panels. DA have variety between different wings, a lot of models with fancier bits etc. So, do you like sneaky guys who possibly have so many plots even they don't know what they're doing, or do you like knights who hold their secrets so close even most of their own guys don't know what they're doing?
>>85026180DA are supposed to have a lot of red markings to spice them up.
i thought all primarchs had at least bulky (2), is magnus just space marine sized according to the rules?
>>85026322Magnus was know for being able to change his size at will, so it seems fluffy
>>85026330You’re even more retarded though
>>85026330aight, thanks, i wanna get 40k magnus (as a display piece, i want these guys to be a siege of terra thing)) and have em surrounded by my praetor deathstar but i dont want it to seem *too* retarded>>85026336thanks for the input, ill mention you in my autobiography i write after my 2 terms as president
>>85026343If you read the rules even a little bit you might know why I’m calling you retarded
>>85026322Page 196 of the Rulebook under Primarch unit type.
>>85026285Bone with red shoulders sounds good, I'll toss the hawk icon from the transfer sheet on too unless that's specific to something else>>85026288Wasn't planning on fully doing this scheme but I was going to do one centurion up in MkII or III with old crusade gear and paint him in this. Would be fun and if hes ever the warlord I'll give him the Eidolon of Suffering warlord trait to play into an outsider to the rest of the legion theme
>>85026322They are all Bulky (4). It's part of the rules of the Primarch template
>>85026353aight, thanks mate>>85026348i havent looked at the core rule book this whole tike cuz its underneath all of the sprues in the boxset and its annoying to get out, when i finish the last ten guys which im doing rn ill go check. still want that mention in my autobiography?
>>85026222UM are not all that melee tbqh. Suzerains are pretty good but I don't think that makes the legion melee oriented. The RoW can make for pretty good melee units but it's absurdly restrictive and to make it work in melee it punishes your shooting.SoH are not shooty at all, their bonus is only for melee.DA are probably the most balanced of those 3.NL as well like the other anon said. Those 2 are the only ones whose rules work on melee and shooting
>>85026371not him but put a screenshot of this post in your bio
>>85026356aight thanks >>85026354nice! that sounds great, would love to see it
>>85026348Maybe instead of being a cunt about a brand new rulebook from a box set that many people has yet to receive even if they bought it a week ago, you could have answered the fucking question if the first place.
>>85026373Looks like Dark Angels it is then
>>85026376thats a good idea
>>85022645> TQI'm a WE bro, so I prefer Tartaros as they lack Heavy and so move quicker to punching and can overrun those they punched already.I'm sure someone will explain how this is dumb though.
>>85026381nah i do have the boxset and the rules, i wouldve checked like he told me too if it wasnt a hassle to get out from underneath all the sprues, but since i only have 15 guys left to build (5 of which i aint building now cuz i want them to have volkite culverins and those aint out yet) itll be easier to check once im done. but now ik its bulky (4) so magnus, my praetor, my master of signals, and 10 termies all fit thanks to the new rules (26 capacity instead of 25). now i just gotta figure out where ima put my esoterist...
>>85026300i think its saying that mark vi was designed and produced new then but when the siege of terra started they also started producing another sub-mark vi armour called RTb01 maybe to make up numbers.
Looking at Day of Sorrows, trying to figure out how best to utilise the Crimson Paladins, do I just go 2 10 man squads and just expect that my fnp buff is gonna take forever to go online and put an apothecary with them? It's expensive but honestly seems cool enough and if they take half casualties their fnp gets even better with Heart of the Legion. That'd be over 1k pts for that I think with upgrades and apothecaries. Fill the rest out with Assault squads, HSS and Angels Tears?
>>85026389the run makes them so much faster, I think its worth it.
>>85026180>SoH look fun to paint but I dislike a lot of the legion-specific models (especially Horus himself - I detest that model).lolwhat
>>85026405Oh to add, I know that a lot of people here will be bringing Primarchs but I'm not wanting to do the same, so will I be able to deal with Lions and Kurzes or whatever else I may have to deal with?
>>85026180this is an incredibly low iq post
>>85026180>painting the bigger vehicles is going to be fucking hard when a lot of the AL colour scheme requires washes to turn them blue.Get an airbrush. At least most of the better schemes I've seen for AL use some mix of tamiya clear green and blue or contrasts paints. Those work well through an airbrush. You just apply them as a filter instead of drowning the model in a wash.It speeds up painting infantry imensely too
i have ten vets all with combi meltas and a conemptor with a meltagun in its CCW, is that enough to deal with some termies or should i use my last ten beakies to have multi meltas? i was thinking of giving em volkite culverins but idk
>>85024276A squad of 7 Rampagers with Falax Blades (179).20pts left to give the Champ a Plasma pistol and Artificier Armour.
>>85026397Wait, I thought volkite culverins were part of the special weapons kit. Didn't that release same day as the big box?
>>85024403Some questions (sorry that they sound stupid);What's a Death Star?Tacs have Line and most other Line troops only have pistols, sure Tacs only have Bolters though I figured outranging a foe is good... Why are Tacs to be avoided? I figure you could just get a minimal pair as your compulsory Troops and save on points for fun stuff elsewhere...
>>85026458i think volkite culverins will also be good against terminators
>>85024428They're really good if you can charge them into another Dread.They also make good anti-Terminator hitters.
>>85026533theyre the heavy weapons version of volkite weapons, the box they come in wasnt released yet for some reason>>85026542aight thanks>>85026534fuck ton of guys buffed by one or more characters, usually in a transport (typically a spartan cuz of its transport capacity)
>>85026534death star is when you have a big blob of synergistic killy shit you push around the table
>>85024276Probably another HSS
>>85026431Explain, thanks. I'm always happy to learn.
>>85026406Cheers anon.I'm so used to getting vented at or seeing others vent at others in this general recently, so I appreciate the reply.
>>8502427620 unpainted and semi assembled tacticals (2 Mk II, 6 MK III 6 MKIV 1 MK V 4 MK VI 1 dude in a big tabard covering his whole armour, so i have no idea which mark he might wear)
>>85026600alpha legion are usually painted without washes. either by airbrushing a mix of tamiya clear blue and green over metallics or by using clear blue/green from one of their tamiya spray cans. this makes them very quick and easy to paint, especially vehicles. the same is done for thousand sons, emperor's children and for iron hands paint schemes.dark angels are not just black and have some of the most creative freedom when it comes to painting in horus heresy because of various unique heraldry you can come up with.soh unique models look great.
>>85025807every single imperial piece of technology more advanced then a toaster incorporates human or animal organic bits for cognition, calculation and sentience. from starships and battle titans to sponson guns and beeps. why do you think the castellax has a human skull nestled inside its breastplate?
>>85026025the lore says most of legio cybernetica went traitor and because of that the imperium no longer trust the legio cybernetica and sealed them away. so it is indeed a political issue. it'd be like germany becoming nazi a second time, it just wouldn't be allowed to happen because of their past crimes.
>>85026405I just can’t figure out the point of Crimson Paladins full stop. Because their shields only reduce the to-wound roll by 1 instead of increasing their toughness it means that they die like normal termies to anything with a fist, like other terminators for example, and that their FNP (if they can even get it to go off) is also invalidated. Plus their offensive output is kind of shitty because you can’t really tool them up at all. No good as a tarpit, no good as a bodyguard unit, no good at killing things, and expensive to boot. I’m happy for someone to convince me otherwise, but in gameplay terms they seem crap.
>>85026675> sealed them awayNo, they were downgraded and dumbed down with the need of waffers, etc, but not sealed.if pic related hasn't been canceled, the 30k robots would have got rules in 40k
>>85026165For me it's the Domitar. No other model does it for me. It's absolute perfection.
>>85026731Yeah I really wish that the shields were -1 str instead of wound roll or at least ignore the bulky rule when determining fnp or something like that. This on top of nerfing the +1 to wound to only being on the charge is kind of a massive feels bad and I don't understand why they've done it.
>>85026779Hoping the final version of the Domitar gets a decent Brutal value on the graviton hammers and moves fairly fast, they may finally be worth taking.Would be nice to have some warbots that could throw down with dreads in melee.
>>85025879Waiting on plastic scimitars right here.
>>85025566>muh special legion was immune to AL infiltration!>TS had psykers who could detect them!>DA had super secret codes!>SW could sniff them out!>etcFucking hell. AL infiltrated everyone. Some were just harder (and therefore less widespread) than others.If an AL operative can infiltrate the Word Bearers and literally get Gal Vorbak'd, and STILL be loyal to the Alpha Legion, then your stupid snowflake legion is small-time next to that.AL had psykers, they had hackers, they had people who permanently transplanted faces from corpses. They had traitors who cracked astropathic keys devised by fucking Malcador to only be decipherable by genuine loyalists.Just because your legion are space stonemasons doesn't mean the AL weren't capable of learning your secret handshake bullshit.
>>85026925>AL infiltrated everyone.In the case of DA it was infiltrated by Alpharious himself not a AL legionnaire but even then he felt the Lion constantly staring at him which drove him to hate the first primarch.
>>85026356Except Fulgrim with Bulky(6) because he won't sit with unperfect people on either side of him in any of his rides
>>85027009he manspreads despite having the smallest dick of the primarchs till, yknow, slaanesh, now its the second biggest after vulkan
>>85026925Black book 3 page 84. Read it. Thousand Sons avoided the Alpha Legion and shunned anyone or thing that even smelled like them. It also mentioned that Kurze already knew that alpha legion were trying to infiltrate as well. Eat shit dude.
>>85026799Compared to Justaerin you get innate deep strike and +1 To Wound when charging, which is slightly better than Furious Charge. You have flat out better versions of the SoH unique axes, you get your -1 To Wound all the time rather than -1S only on the first round of combat, you get The Blood Is Forever and you cost 10pts less per model, plus your sarge gets a free Perdition Weapon.In exchange, you lose one attack on non-sarges. Doesn't really seem like a terrible deal to me, and it's not like Justaerin are bad.
>set to assemble 10 cataphractii with a mix of chainfists and power-fists>start to slide towards lightning claws because they look cool but are outclassed by deathshroudit hurts
>>85026151I just realized that termies don't get bayonet rules. sad.>inb4 uselessrules should be included out of sheer principle and would ahve a use when coupled with an unwieldy weapon
>>85026799They’re really not bad especially not in their rite. They’re not the greatest unit in the world but a couple units can do well enough. And deepstrike is UGE. It’s why the incaldon or whatever is so nuts this edition.
>>85027236>cant take bayonets>CAN take vexillas and (i think) nuncio voxxesi love the "consistency" of the new rules
>>85027260I knew about vexilla, but didn't notice nuncio lole. I wonder if bits for them will ever be released.
>>85026779That is a cool model.Has the vibe of the stop-motioned Robocop 2 with the skull under the helmet, from that same film.
>>85027144>>85027240That's certainly true although can't deepstrike in the RoW but there's obviously work arounds, mainly transports
Any tips on how I should build my AoD box?Just starting HH for the first time and have settled on Word Bearers.Not really sure what I should do with my Tacticals, Praetors, or Termies though.
>>85026799The LA BA rule in HH1 was probably a bit OP, but getting in on the charge only feels decidedly underwhelming, especially when you compare it to stuff like SoH getting +1T, EC getting to fist stuff at I2, DA who can get +1 to hit in every combat phase, or WE who not only get +1A on the charge but can also give half their units +1S for free. It's also useless on anything which wounds on a 2+ already, things like fists, axes of perdition, dreadnoughts and the like. It even makes lightning claws less effective because you can't fish for as many rends. Anti-synergy.
>>85027292i didnt give my 10 cata a nuncio vox cuz i want them to just run at infantry blobs when they come out of their spartan along with a praetor, amgnus, and a master of signal, idk what do with with him, i just gave the axe praetor a nuncio vox cuz i thought it would look cool and that the s5 skull thingy would look cool as a vexilla for my 20 man blob. i thought of putting the MoS with my HSS so hed just stay back and call bombardments maybe
>>85027359Per the instructions and what looks cool. HQ and 2 troops. Any other basic force advice can be found plenty on the net, the box alone is restrictive.
>>85025463>One taught their buttstartes baby about psychic driving>The other taught them about regime change and death squads>And that baby grew up to be a single CIA agent
>>85027359im not a tactical genius, im actually really retarded when it comes to it, but id say save up some of your beakies to make despoilers/assault marines and some HSSs. maybe some vets by giving the beakies weapons other than the bolters. the praetors really just need different shoulderpads and heads so they wont have the capes and look more WB. id recommend giving your characters and sarges chaos marine heads, they fit very well with WBs. for the termies? what do you want em to do
>>85025653It's all based on Alpharius saying that the DA were the hardest for him to infiltrate. They omit the context that he was able to convince people he was able to infiltrate to such success that he was one of Lion's Five-Thousand, one of the Terran worthies of the Legion that personally greeted him on Caliban. Difficult doesn't mean failure.
>>85022889I'm working on my Contemptor. It's always been my favorite sculpt, and this version is crazy posable. I'm making a TS dread curb stomping a Space Wolf (or at least smashing its chest cavity in). Hardest part for me right now is finding the right material to make the base out of so I can 'cheat' some of the bulk of the power pack digging into the ground. The options I've got right now are cork, styrofoam with modpodge, and actually just building up a little hill with a bunch of rocks to give it the elevation I need to hide the pack. Could I just remove the pack? Sure, but that wouldn't convey they 'Wolf fucked around, Wolf is about to find out' look I want the model to have.
>>85027359Tbh WBs are a pretty vanilla legion. You want big units, you want a couple of your unique units, you want a few units to have the Corrupted upgrade and you want some warpfire weapons. Also your praetors can get supercharged Hell just turning the box into two twenty man tactical squads and a ten man terminator squad is a decent basis for a WB list
>>8502427614 Tacticals, Sgt with Artificer armor and Phoenix Spear, Cexilla, and 14 Sonic Lances. I like to have fun
>>85027459nice idea, i want my TS contemptor to be crushing an IF in his raised hand (IF not SW cuz i want this army to be late heresy/SoT army)
>>85027401For the termies I'm not sure, I'm tossing up between vehicles poppers with fists and stuff, or a command squad, although I think Tartaros might be better for that?And I was definitely intending to make a 10 man warpfire TSS. Warp-plasma is sick.>>85027460Oh neat, I was thinking of making some Despoilers too with my CSM chainswords and bolt pistols lying about. Word Bearers seem like they lean a bit toward the melee side kinda? Maybe I'm wrong but that's the initial impression I got.
>>85027491>I'm tossing up between vehicles poppers with fists and stuffkeep in mind that fists are also adept at killing other termies, bot so are melta guns (tac support squad) or volkite culvierns (heavy support squad). another vehicle popping squad could be your contemptor with the gravis lascannon and a HSS of lascannons
>>85025036>implanted their own guys with butcher's nails, and in one case had them possessed by demonsI don't disbelieve you, but source? I'd like to read more about these. AL with butcher's nails sounds wild.
>>85027491They do, yes. Our LA rule makes it easier for us to win close combat and force people to flee so we can sweep them down. Dark Channeling also makes us practically immune to that same fate, as far as I understood.Warpfire plasma weapons feel like they were meant to Pin people and let us have charges without being targeted by reactions, too.We're doing a Heresy 2.0 slow grow league later this year and I'm just gonna use it to add to my existing WB force, specifically a bunch of Despoilers, Assault Marines HSS and a Predator squad along with some Dedicated Transport options I've been lacking in the past.
>>85027370I guess the next half would be what are the best vehicles to ram with then lmao
the gang so farWanted a more muted blue so my base coat for ultramarines is gryphcharger grey. really happy with the scheme so far, reminiscent of the first Space Marine game. Hoping to get a squad of tacticals done today
>>8502761230k Robe Gill: doing keto for summer40k Roubou Gui: dirty bulking for winter
>>85027491You could easily use that to convert a blob or two of Corrupted Despoilers which would be really fucking irritating
>>85026655Thallax are this. They're cyborgs.Most cogitators are actually artificial neural structures mimicking organic ones. They're the apex exemple of Mechanicum getting shit done in any science department for once. Some are biological yes (servitors come to mind) but not all are fleshy bits.
>>85027612damn these new praetors are yuge
>>85027670Guilliman's pet little chodes
>>85026151JUSTanon again, are chainfists worth it? Considering putting one on the multi-melta guy. In which case should I take another power fist for two in a 10 man squad?
When will Scanon or his apprentice deliver us? Want to start planning out my army for a local escalation campaign, but my order still hasn't arrived yet.
>>85027760bruh why they heads so big they supposed to sit lower lmao
What would an Alpha Legion chaplain even be like?>Sigma-Kilo here, squad Jinn broken, awaiting orders.>Lol>Repeat, Charlie.>Lmao*screaming guy in a hydra mask jumps over the breach, throws a venom sphere at the attacking despoilers, and laughs as they get reduced to shuddering, bloated corpses*
>>85027822You shouldn't think about anything AL related. They are a joke legion not a real force.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/23/heresy-thursday-you-thought-the-contemptor-dreadnought-was-awesome-check-out-its-new-options/literally nothing. not even legion specific heads/shoulders lmao
how would you guys suggest kitbashing the new plastic contemptor into an osiron dreadnought?
>>85027864>announce these NOWi hope everyone who runs GW fucking dies. its not that big a deal for me but jfc this is annoying
>>85027822Out of the battlefield, instructor getting track of psycho-indoctrination and making sure double-crossers don't become double-crossed by actually believing they work for someone else and making sure every man is keeping track of what the fuck they're supposed to do.In the battlefield, Eversor assassins.
>>85027844Maybe, if you want to lean on the spook stuff, they could lean on psychic driving. The chaplain uses flashing lights and scents to put the soldiers into a dissociative seizure where they can be hyped up into a berzerker rage easily.
>>85027864It's a good kit but fuck, just make a stream and show everything
>>85027844That's what they want you to think anon.
>>85027822Chaplains also acted as mentors, advisers, internal affairs guys, and psych experts. Chalpharius might offer tactical insights, help a confused rookie wrap his brain around all the secret squirrel bullshit, or liquidate Alphas who have become compromised.
>>85027866How about don't be a poorfag.
IIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE JUST GIVE THE PDFS JAMES WORKSHOP
>>85027260Why the fuck would terminators want a bayonet when they can take fucking power fists. Or power mauls.It makes since they can take vexillas and its actually a good thing you want to make sure you win that combat
>>85027945im not a poorfag i just hate working with resin, even cheaper recasts you fucking mong
>>85027866>ShouldersEven out a single layer of GS on the pad, then use a piece of flat card to make the 'pyramid' crenellation. Use a needle to chisel in the heiroglyphs once it's leather hard. >ScarabsIronically the easiest part. Just make an oval of GS, and use a pen once it's firm to draw the triangle of the carapace pieces. Apply a small bead into the 'head'. Repeat ad nauseum. >CrestI'm still figuring this out, but if you have baking clay, you can use a rolling pin and a set of equally thick house keys to make a uniform thickness of a panel you can then cut into the proper shape and decorate. You COULD do it with GS, but getting it to work right without sticking to everything would give me a stroke. Look up the videos of the guy who made the McFarlane figurine into a BL/TS. Lots of good tips on how to use/mold that stuff. >KhopeshSee if any Nurgle boys in your area have a spare Deathshroud chainscythe. Fill in the gaps, cut off the chain teeth, voila.
>>850278131. makes them look bigger next to truscale2. the actual justaerin have a different gorget that rises higher than these so it covers more of the face3.their plumes need some clearance for the shoulderpads to fit.4.whats the matter white boi scared of some big black guys?
>>85027980>REEEE WHY DO YOU EXPECT MULTIGORILLION DOLLAR COMPANY TO BE CONSISTENT!!!idgaf if they dont have bayonets, but why the inconsistency?
Lol nothing burger Thursday again, contemptuous
>>85027880>>85027907For the maintaining orthodoxy part, I think he would just reinforce the contempt the legion has for every other faction.>Why doubt? Why go native? We're the ones running the show here. We're in control. We decide when the curtain falls. Just kill them, do your job, debrief.
>>85028003okay bobblehead lmao
>>85027986aight thank you
>>85028017Who tf talks like this?This is cringe as hell anon
>>85028053>contemptuous>its an article about contemptorsanon...
>>85028024He's the guy in the tac-com.>Snake, remember the basis of CQC.
>>85028139Why are we still here....
>>85022889StILL FUCKING WAITING FOR THE BOX
>>85028159>Now do you remember? Who you are? What you were meant to do? I've remained a phantom, thanks to you. And thanks to you I’ve left my mark. You have too – you’ve written your own history. You’re your own man. I’m Alpharius Omegon, and you are too… No… He’s the two of us. Together. Where we are today? We built it. This story – this “Primarch” – it’s ours. We can change the Galaxy - and with it, the future. I am you, and you are me. Carry that with you, wherever you go. Thank you… my brother. From here on out, you’re Alpharius. - The Man Who Sold the Galaxyso yeah, basically, they're this guy.
>>85026108Play Emperor's Children
>>85028003it looks bad anon
>>85027876They left it 'til now because if the announced it earlier, people would ask why the full kit wasn't in the box. Now that the box is out, they can announce the full kit without that reaction.
a plastic conversion beamer and volkite, what a time to be alive
>>85028255You feel it, too, don't you, brother? I'm gonna make them give back our galaxy!>PRIDE>FEEDS THEIR BLACKENED HEARTSI'm definitely going to model a Saboteur with two rifles, an augmetic eye, and bionic arm and half-skull
>>85028319My work is done. V for victory! Rocket Peace!
>>85028003It looks like shit. Change it or you'll be laughed at every time you field them. >Look over there, have you seen that guys bobblehead Justaerin? >Yeah they're tragic aren't they>What a no taste plebyour future
>>85027880>In the battlefield, Eversor assassins.So Alpha Legion chaplains are basically the cyborg ninjas of the legion?
>>85028303The lack of cyclone ML worries me. It's to become a Legends option since the resin kit is also OOP?
>>85028473it says in the article that you can make one
>>85028473The same cyclone missiles that are sat on its back?
>>85028319An entire squad made up of FoxHound (with one or two Culexus Assassins, for obvious reasons) recreations would be fun.
>>85028478oh wait no that's a havoc. Oh dear
>>85028473is the cyclone significantly different from the havoc?
>>85028481thats just a havoc launcher
Has anyone here used wartable games? Looking at grabbing a thing or two, curious about the quality. I'm used to BMM, so I'm expecting a step down.
>>85028478>>85028481the havoc launcher is not the same as the cyclone, anons
20 reavers - chieftain with artifacer armor and power fists, 4 power fists, 5 pairs of lightning claws, 5 charnabal sabers, 5 chain axes-chaplain with power maul and combi-plasmaIn a spartan
>>85028513what's the quality like?
>>85028504Decent for the most part. Quick postage too. Id stay away from their recasts of plastic kits and stick purely to their resin kit recasts.
>>85028520good enough, bmm is much better but I wouldn't call wt as bad as z
>>85028520Not great, not terrible.
>>85028495Ruleswise, probably, but I'm not sure how it translates into HH. Visually? Cyclones are missile 'pods' like you see in modern missile launch systems (Sea Sparrow IRL / just about any Battletech MLS) Havocs look more akin to 'Grad' rocket batteries.
>>85028481>>85028303The kit says it comes with a grav cannon so why won't they show it
>>85028504This is their Contemptor quality. YMMV. I did also buy a Deimos kit, but I'm a resinlet and didn't properly use heat to adjust the panels, so it looks like a fucking disaster.
>>85028495Havocs are Heavy 1 S5 small blast twin linked, while Cyclone ML are much better with several options
>>85028531I'm looking at jump packs, maybe some legion-specific infantry. Are those bits decent?
>>85028546>their Contemptor qualitythat looks terrible, meh
>>85028473Contemptors couldn't take MLs in 1.0 either, could they?>>85028495>>85028537The Cyclone is a regular missile launcher, the Havoc Launcher has its own profile.
>>85028546Like I said, I was an idiot when I built this.
>>85028571Yes, they could, they had a kit as seen in >>85028515And they are much better than normal ML.
>>85028504wtg is much much worse than bmm. they're a reseller of casts from other casters, mostly zackgames stuff.
>>85028577Wait a minute...
>>85028427>>85028265ok so what about chainfists?
>>85028577Honestly, you should use a superglue remover and begin again
>>85028589Proofs? Because I'm looking over the old armylist right now and both the Contemptor and Contemptor-Mortis only have an option for Havoc, only the boxnaught can take a Cyclone.
>>85028593Ah, lame. But it also doesn't look like BMM is gonna be up anytime soon...
>>85028545Contemptors never had such a thing. Only in built graviton guns. Warcom doesn't know shit anon
>>85028621they posted an update in their telegram saying theyd have a work around soon but that was 2 months ago now.
>>85028598Seems that way, but the warpage in the panels really is THAT bad. I'm actually a little afraid of it because I know how much stress a lot of those panels are currently under for how I connected them. I think just for my own safety I'll take up >>85028605 suggestion.
>>85028601Stop asking to be spoonfed, read a book and decide for yourself.
>>85028646Soon™, just two more weeks
>>85028568Looks about as good as FW "quality"
Claws or fists for my EC cataphractii?
Are red hand getting PDF’d? Don’t see them in the scans
>>85028654>anon found dead with snapped rhino plate lodged firmly in his skull
>>85028577that cast you butchered actually looks surprisingly decent sadly
>>85028611damn, you're right. It was only in 40k were the loyalist rules matched the model, and since the old kit is now OOP, they made the new plastic version only with the havoc launcher.It's retarded and the Comtemptor should have both options
>>85028689it's called a discussion anon, if you don't want to be a part of it then don't reply.
>>85028704>>85028727Fists but model them with claw
>>85028654just buy a heat gun for £5 retard
>>85028783It’s awful but do it.
>>85028770>No, you're not asking for a discussion. You're asking for what's best. Read the rules, decide what you want them to do and pick the weapon best suited for that job. Its not exactly rocket science so mouthbreathers like you shouldn't have an issue.
>>85028783Two fists, and model it so the Contemptor is Goatse'ing the viewer.
>>85028053>tf, cringeZoomer retard
Question for book holders - did gravis plasma cannons keep large blast from the play test? I’m considering running a double plasma Contemptor if so.
>>85027901Wow, two axes.
>>85023365>>Hate to tell you anon, scananon has been gone for a while nowWhat did he have on the Clintons?
>>85029260>dude with money and time to buy and scan a shitload of booksHe obviously was a boomer. Just put two and two together. Either the rona got him or time caught up with him.
>>85022889I FINISHED IT! from (our) left to right, 10 man despoilers sarge had power sword and plasma pistol, 10 man cata squad all claws, praetor with power sword, master of signals with power axe, spartan with 10 lascannons, contemptor with gravis lascannons and melta gun CCW (probs gonna put a marine being crushed in his hand). 20 man tac blob, and a 10 man vet tacs unit half of them have rubric marine bits to represent artificer armor and 6 of em have 3rd edition chaos power packs without any chaos symbols. this leaves me with 5 unbuilt beakies that will be a heavy weapons squad with volkite culverins. the praetor and all the sarges have rubric marine heads and the master of signals has the mk II bits from the vehicle weapons sprue so i didnt need the cape for him. all im missing is magnus and a shadowsword (im getting 40k magnus as a display piece cuz these guys are meant to be late heresy/siege of terra force, but if someone miraculously lets me play him then why not) and the veterans' weapons (combi meltas and custom egyptian styled swords but theyre coming in the mail), 5 volkite culverins, and 2 rhinos for the despoilers and veterans, maybe kitbash ill the conteptor to be an osiron if i have the points. i dont have liber hereticus so i can only know the points of units that came in the boxset and legion specific units like magnus and wargear (and rhinos cuz a fella told me their points cost). this took me a long ass time (mostly from finding the bits for the despoiler squad, ended up using a few 3rd edition chainswords and bolt pistols to give the squad an ill equipped look to em). im happy with how it all turned out and im excited to finish and paint the army
>>85025265i'm not either of em but i'd rather 3d print them than pay that much
>>85029304He was in uni you dumb dumb. He lost access to the professional scanner he used.