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>Previous: >>84469524

Blood Bowl, Necromunda, Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game, Warcry, Epic, Warmaster, Underworlds, Aeronautica, Mordheim, Titanicus, Battlefleet Gothic, Man-o-War, Warhammer Quest, and any other GW system and boardgame are welcome.

There is currently a Kill Team General >>>/tg/ktg. Discussions for the Kill Team should go there.

>We are working on a mega archive with the rulebooks for the boxed and specialist games (don't share).
rebrand<dot>ly/gwsg
>Drop any missing files you might have here:
rebrand<dot>ly/gwsg-drop
>Current MESBG rules:
>you know what to put
/folder/yDBmCRRK#kI26Bcw-9vgxOnQICVbpsA
>Old links:
https://pastebin.com/dk8SFxht

Missing anything? Simply request.

>TQ
favorite model with horrendous, prohibitively bad rules?
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A while ago, I bought two classic bloodbowl teams in metal, the tomb kings team and the chaos dwarfs, so I can learn how to play. What's the size of the bases for them?
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Protip - do not ever build or paint the metal LOTR dragon
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>>84518255
because?
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>>84518184

> TQ
Can I nominate 'Beastmen, in every iteration of every game they've ever been in'?
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>>84518370
yes, they're the definitive faction of it
it wasn't until kinda recently I realized how much I like beastmen models because for so long all I knew was "they're so bad dude they're unplayable" I'd kinda written them off

it's crazy how great the sculpts are
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>>84518244
>blood bowl
>base sizes
Who cares lmao. Use squares if you fancy.
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>>84518184
dragon boi is back
but why the hell does he cost so much
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>>84518418
I got them to learn how to play, I know basically nothing about the rules or how it's played. Is the base size relevant?
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>>84518462
Base size and shape is utterly irrelevant in BB. The game is played on a grid my man.
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>>84518424
Because GW knows people will buy it regardless, look at the price tag on ash wastes.
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>>84518505
Huh. Well, that saves me the trouble. Thanks.
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>>84518370
Wheeeew good call my man.

They're playable in Mordheim. Quite good, even!
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>buy stupid defense of the north epub to add it to MESBG archive
>"Available to download from 21/05/2022"
god damn I hate these fucking people
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>>84518546
Doing Eru's work anon
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>>84518506
Ash wastes despite its high price has new models and a new edition of rules, and is a new "starter set". The dragon is old, not in any way definitively a "Lotrsbg" dragon, and is easily replacable with an alternate model.
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>>84518424
>>84518672
it's resin, I honestly wouldn't recommend getting one from GW when slavic friends still have their shops open
if it was metal I'd be tempted but all these models being sold as finecast is a joke
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2-1-1 with vamps in a sevens tourney

thats basically 4-0 with a real team ill take it
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>>84518546
We appreciate you nonetheless, anon.
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>>84518703
Fucking right mate, nice one
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>>84518462
Ignore the others, base size IS relevant but just not in the usual way.
BB is played on a grid, if you want your pitch to be huge use the new standard of 32 mm bases and get pitches with 34mm squares.
But if you use 25mm bases (and 32's for big guys) you can make a pitch almost half the size.
Picrelated is a new big pitch I made and an old style small pitch, huge difference in playing space, note how the smaller one I was able to make using half the material. and I can fit it on my coffee table alongside drinks and snacks.
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>>84519159
In other words base size is completely irrelevant.
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>>84519262
If playing space was irrelevant then LGS's wouldn't charge for tables.
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>>84519159
So skeletons/hobgobbos with 25mm base and mummies/dwarfs with 32mm? Also, what's better for the game, square or round?
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>>84519278
>square or round?
That's entirely your personal choice.
>dwarfs 32
I put everything that will fit on a 25mm base on 25mm base, So far I've only put Big Guys on 32mm bases (4 teams, 2 entirely 25mm) although the one Deathroller had to be on a 40mm and I still can't really see the base unless I turn it over, good thing I never plan to field it.
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>>84519268
Why dont you just play with friends at your place on a dining table?
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>>84518184
really proud how this came out for word bearers looks basic but i like it
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>>84519774
>friends
ha!
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>>84519774
? That irrelevant to the discussion, play space has value, that is what matters.
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I miss when GW didnt give a shit about lotr. i'll take not baing able to buy 80% of models over not being able to buy 70% of models and having shitty powercreep added in every unnecessary expansion thats lazily made. They had two years to make this shit and couldnt be bothered to proof read it to realise the way they worded allying beornings is needlesly confusing when they could have just made them an army list. Fuckers couldnt even word the rules properly so RAW the erebor and dale legion needs a model to be in range of 4 characters to get a banner re-roll. I was initially very happy with the ally system but theyve shat all over that every chance they get by never giving it a second draft, adding more restrictions and spewing dozens of shitty legions.
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>>84519883
It has value but pretty diminishing.
Yeah, a 6x4 board can be an ordeal. Even a 4x4 is cubersome.
But a BB board is already tiny as fuck and fits easily on even coffee tables with plenty of space to spare for drinks and other extra.
The board and dugouts fits easily into a packbag with two teams and accessories on top.
Cant see any actual value between an official board and a purely 25mm designed even smaller one.
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could the ogre bloodbowl team booster be considered a worthy purchase? 55 dollars is definitely a forge world price but I definitely like the models and i think painting them would be a joy.
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>>84520246
>a worthy purchase?
>I definitely like the models and i think painting them would be a joy.
you answered your own question there I think. In the end it's all about enjoying yourself.
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>>84520030
>power creep
not really
the two big ones people are calling that (dale and easterlings) are both very, very mediocre armies in their own right and this is the best possible balance short of just redoing the army/profiles, which the MESBG team has said they can't do.
both the orc legions look pretty tame, the only thing I fear is shatter shaman spam but mathing that out I don't think any of the lists I could come up with are scary unless you're playing a really ill-advised hero spam with no magic protection.

the only legion that could be really strong is dale+erebor and I'd wait before saying
more broadly the LLs have been awesome, even the powerful ones (maybe riders of theoden aside) have all been dope, thematic, and a lot of fun to play with and against. a helm's deep list was dogshit before but is really, really cool now- I just don't see the power creep complaint when the biggest buffs have been for armies that suck dick and default book armies are still topping the board
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>>84520030
The people who keep spouting this garbage never actually play
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>>84520246
>55 dollars
holy shit how are they not out of business with deez prices
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>>84520039
>The board and dugouts fits easily into a packbag
What? If you mean a rollup MAT okay, but a BB board only fits in my duffle bags.
And again I refer you to my example photo, that shows my coffee table completely taken up by a 34mm pitch but shows how the 28mm would leave room for other stuff to be on the table, instead of putting drinks on the floor or couch cushions.
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>>84520398
Yeah that's how much the RNEstudio team of 17 unique players cost me.
I'm guessing the ogre team at that price isn't a full roster?
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>>84518370
Beastmen are A tier in Warcry and actually have enough well-stated units that you can put together a bunch of different styles of list and still have it play well. Gors are above-rate chaff, Bestigors are solid demi-elites, Dragon Ogors, Bullgors, and the Cockatrice are all playable large bruisers, and most of their leader choices range from reasonable to outright good. I think the only real dud unit in the faction is Ungors.
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>>84520413
Feels like we just live in different euclidean dimemsions lmao
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>>84520556
No I'm pretty sure you're arguing for some reason you haven't stated, the picture I posted is pretty damn clear: half the space.
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>>84520817
Half the space when the bigger board is wasting a massive amount of surface area to include completely unnecessary dugouts, spectators and literal empty space? At least try to make some coherent points if you just want to talk about your picture.
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>>84520915
That's because the larger board requires two standard sheets of foamcore (even if you want to cut it down to just the pitch), the smaller board can be done on just one, there was no reason to exclude the dugouts when I had to buy twice the material just to start the project.
But also there is still room on the smaller sidelines to line up your reserve dudes and coaching staff.
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So how big is the Dol Guldur terrain?
Is it usable for Warcry or is it too tiny?
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>>84520915
I agree with anon his photo is clear I see two sheets of foamcore here one has a whole pitch with a bit of excess edge and the other has half a pitch with comparable excess edging (in square inches)
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Man that is some scandalous fucking pricing on the War in the North stuff.
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>>84520952
So dont make some shitty foamcore boards if that's your real issue?
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>>84521223
You keep moving goalposts, I have demonstrated visibly how it makes a different both on play space and material hobbying costs and you continue to say it is irrelevant? Admit it's only irrelevant to (You) and base sizing does in fact make a difference in Blood Bowl, just not in the USUAL way.
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>>84521183
Yeah GW charge absurd amounts for the resin stuff. Gonna just finish up my dale force with the commanders set and call it a day. Did kind of fancy a Windlance.
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I'll never understand why Weta and Jackson made the orcs from Mordor so... mishmash and looking unorganized when they're probably the most organized force in the entirety of ME with an entire industry geared for war. In the book, their logistics are better than anyone else's, their tactics are (mostly) better, and their strategy is sound and, frankly, better.

Everyone allied with Sauron would have followed under this, save Sauronman.
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>>84521249
Oh absolutely, I'll happily concede that base size makes a difference if you specifically want to make a foamcore board with exactly one standard sheet of it.
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>>84521301
dungeons and dragons influence, making the bad guys look obviously bad
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New Warcry profiles for the models that came in the DoK vs Nighthaunt box. As expected, the Nighthaunt are unplayably awful. The DoK fighter is fine but kinda overshadowed by the many great existing leaders available to DoK.
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>>84521302
Because larger quantities of materials only cost more with foamcore? Being able to fit two games on one coffee table vs. just one makes no difference? Now you're just being stupid as well as a pedantic ass.
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>>84521322
There are ways to make them look like bad guys that Weta could have done (and did, to be fair because in reality even though I'm complaining the costumes/props/architecture looked amazing) that just showed a bit more of the actual unified might. Jackson should have just followed the book a bit more and in the zoomed out sections of the siege shown some baggage trains or something.
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>>84521301
Making Gothmog a tactical genius orc was at least a pretty neat interpretation on Jackson's part. And the interpretation of orcs as undisciplined is certainly borne out by parts of LotR.
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>>84521301
Orcs are undisciplined and lazy. A major part of their character is they need a driving force behind them to make them a major threat rather than just a nuisance.
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>>84521390
I think Gothmog was fine (but I don't think he should have been an orc), and having him be the leader of the siege (i guess? It wasn't entirely clear if the Witch King was the overall commander or not, really) was pretty neat. His actions were very stupid, though. Once again, having him follow the book's happenings during the siege would have shown him as a more formidable commander to be reckoned with.

As for your point of undisciplined orcs, we only really ever see that at the garrisons (Cirith Ungol) and amongst Sauronman's Uruk Hai (when the three groups are together after Amon Hen). Guarding Cirith Ungol must suck and be boring. Orcs wanting to abandon these garbage duties is understandable. I guess we also see it when the, what I can only assume are militia/reserves, do the kerfuffle with Frodo and Sam. Are there any other instances?
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>>84521509
>i guess? It wasn't entirely clear if the Witch King was the overall commander or not, really

Witchking literally orders him to start the siege.
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>>84521353
Agreed, the ghosts are utter trash, especially for that absurd price.
High Gladiatrix is great, her weapon profile is nearly perfect. She's basically a halfway house between Handmaiden and Gorgai, which is an okay spot to be at, I think.
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>>84520398
When you charge 5 times more than prodution cost it doesn't matter if you lose half your audience
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Can't wait for someone to scan the Ash Wastes vehicle rules, I wanna know the details about riding around like a mad max dipshit (even if we're waiting on more vehicles) but I ain't paying 300 bucks when the rules and dice are literally all I'd want from the box.
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>>84518184
>>84518255
>>84518424
>>84518506
>>84518701

What are some good close to scale alternatives to this guy that yall prefer?
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>>84521353
Who the fuck balances this game? Flying, Toughness and Shooting is so overpriced it breaks the algorithm.
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>>84522787
I agree that they're astonishingly overpriced because they're paying ridiculous premiums for certain traits/stats, but I don't think toughness is really factoring in here. These guys are only T4 and they readjusted how they priced toughness with the ToC2021, high toughness values are a lot cheaper and much more in-line points-wise with the value they provide now.

The issue is that flying still comes at a premium, and all ranged attacks no matter how shitty all got a major tax applied to them with the recent points algorithm adjustments, because the devs didn't seem to understand that the shooting problem was only really an issue with top-tier shooting teams like KO, Mawtribes, and Vanguard while most shooters were already kinda just meh.
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>>84518244
Most people use 32s for BB now but the old metal models are a bit smaller, might look silly on a 32. Personal taste really
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>>84518703
What lineup did you take? Do you prefer their new negatrait over bloodlust?
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>>84520398
Oh boy. Never look up how much a GW goblin team costs
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>>84522675
none the model is without a doubt my favorite dragon model in the world.
just don't get it from GW, it's 20 bucks from slav frens.
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>>84522675
Man, I wish I had one.
Reaper has a bunch of good dragons but they tend to be either too big or too small, and many of them are very D&D or WOW-like and don't fit that well the LOTR aesthetic.
Best bets from Reaper would be probably:

>Narthrax
From pictures it seems he fits comfortably on a 5'' base but should go well enough on a 4'' too. I think it's a beautiful sculpt but the wings are a bit silly and the pose is very weird.

>Ebonwrath
Should fit well on a 4'' base, very cool body and nice neutral pose, but it is very much a D&D black dragon, and also the head is a little derpy.

>Blightfang
Also fits well on a 4'', it's a nice dragon but it has a very D&D look with its 'sail', and the pose is really awkward as he's looking backwards.

You could also go with their shadow dragon, which is a beauty and very cheap but considerably smaller (only good for a 3'' base really), or their fire dragon, which is only a little bit bigger than shadow and pretty alright but again has a very D&D-like spine sail.

The Davale Games dragon looks pretty neat.
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>>84523531
Also I forgot Reaper's Marthrangul and the dragon from Dragons Don't Share diorama, but, they are both fucking huge. Marthrangul could probably fit on a 4'' base, but you'd have his neck overhanging a good 1'' forward and his tail poking out 4'' in the back.
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I do wonder how easy or difficult it will be to make walker vehicles with the new vehicle rules. I doubt it'll be complex save for having to come up with a table for impairment and the lack of the new movement shenanigans.
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>>84522675
I'm an idiot, I forgot to mention Mithril Miniatures.
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Anyone seen scans of the Ash Wastes book yet? Mainly just looking for weapon profiles of the nomads.
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>>84519159
Those look pretty much the same size, though?
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>>84524335
For just the pitch (no dugouts and benches or anything JUST the grid) the small one is 390 square inches, the large one is roughly 610 square inches, a difference of 220 square inches.
That's room you can do shit with, not negligible space. I double checked, apparently I lied about the millimetres I'm used to imperial over metric (I'm a canadian carpenter) it's 1" grid on the small one 1+1/4" on the large one.
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Is Ash Wastes up yet? Got some nomads, I want to get to list building
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>>84522520
Those dice are unironically fantastic
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>>84523531

I went for Kyphrixis, he fits the GW dragon sized base well.
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This is just going to do a wheelie and tip backwards as soon as it tastes a sip of acceleration.
What a stupid fucking design.
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>>84522969

4 vamps 4 thralls maximum anarchy

i never played with bloodlust vamps but from everything ive read i reckon savagery is a sneaky upgrade
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I'm doing a video pairing Blood Bowl teams with beers. What do you guys think?

Black orcs - Budweiser
Orcs - Bud Light
Goblins - Pabst
Snotlings - Coors banquet

Humans - European pale - Stella Artois
Imperial - European pale - Heineken
Amazon - White Claw
Norse - white ale - Blue Moon
Ogre - cider - Strongbow
OWA - brown ale - New Castle

Dwarves - stout - Guinness
Halflings - oatmeal stout - Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout
Chaos dwarves - russian imperial stout - Wells & Young's Brewery Russian Stout

Chaos Chosen - bock - Shiner Bock
Chaos Renegades - maibock - Rogue Dead Guy
Khorne - doppelblock - Ayinger Celebrator
Nurgle - pilsner - Carlsberg

Shambling Undead - ipa - lagunitas
Necromantic Horror - double ipa - double dog
Tomb Kings - brut ipa - Sierra Nevada
Vampires - juicy haze ipa - voodoo ranger

Wood elves - crisp UK lagers - Tennet
High elves - Carling
Elven Union - Harp
Dark Elves - Cobra

Lizardmen - Pacifico

Underworld Denizens - Twisted Tea
Skaven - Fourloco
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>>84525469
>Dwarves, Chaos Dwarves
Dwarfs, Chaos Dwarfs.
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>>84525469
I actually drink strongbow as my usual, I play Vamps and Chorfs, but thematically I'd have to say it's a toss-up between Wood Elves and Halflings.
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>>84525129
GW have always been infamous for their nonsensical vehicle design.
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>>84525469
Make only the vamps drink red wine.
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>>84525469
>that list
>beers
I feel ill. What the FUCK is wrong with americans that you consider such dog piss as beer.
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>>84526601
Rent free
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Should I spend $100 on 8 khazad guard?
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What do you guys use to carry tokens and dice and stuff? I'm looking for some cases with removable compartments which doesn't have a handle as I already have something like that but the search continues. I don't want removable dividers. I don't know why.
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>>84522675
>>84523531
Goddamn, now I want to buy a D&D dragon just to paint. I'm trying to shrink my backlog, not grow it.
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QRD on what changed for the BB teams of legend?
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>>84524276
I'm looking for the vehicle rules myself. Plan to 3d print alternatives to the GSC vehicles to use as neutrals.
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>>84526601

More than half of these beers are European.

It also makes sense, in my own way.

Orcs are shitty American beers. Workhorse, working-class beers.

Shorties are stouts. Dwarves the classic stout, halflings are mealish oatmeal stout, Chaos Dwarves a Russian stout.

Chaos are German beers. It's extra cool because bocks use rams on the bottles. A double bock for the Khorne is especially appropriate.

Undead are IPAs. Classic IPA for Undead, Brut IPA is dry for Tomb Kings, double IPA for Necro. And a juicy for the vamps.

Elves are light European lagers.

Lizardmen are a Mexican beer.

Underworld and Skaven are goofy flavored beers. Twisted Tea for the weirdness and mutations, and Fourloko for Skaven because it's bottom shelf high point booze filled with caffeine for the super fast movement.

It made sense to me. If you want to suggest how I can fix it, I'm open to it!
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>>84526748
Passing stat added, most non-thrower players now strictly worse at passing the ball. Access to passing skills restricted. Not sure if any cost adjustments was done. Vamps got dicked down withe the swapping of bloodlust into animal savagery.

>>84525469
I disagree with your choices for orcs, Bud should be for Humans, the most generic beer for the most generic team. Malt liquor like steel reserve for greenskins.
Amazons should share the Mexican beers with lizzies.
Norse should have some generic scandic lager like Sofiero or just mead as vikings should.
The elves should be either sours, barley wines or wheat beers.
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>>84526899
Dwarves should have mead, there are no fields for grains in mountain holds, but apiaries are fine.
Also for the norse for obvious lore reasons.
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>>84526899
Europeans dont consider the garbage you listed as beers. Unless you mean those choices a jab at BB in general in which case well played.
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>>84527271
Yes we do. I don't drink and my friends are picky about beers, but I've seen many of those brands in stores, which means there's plenty of people who drink them.
Guinness is even considered a good quality beer by the average grocer, as far as I know
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>>84526644
I bought 2 boxes of em in burger dollars, they've always been my favorite dwarf sculpts. Had the box of them that came with Balin too as a kid and loved them ever since.
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>80 burgerpounds for two sets of the same 6 models, a drummer team and a shaman
I really want to rationalize buying them but Webstore Exclusive is such a fucking dealbreaker. If I only could get them from retailers with the standard 20% discount I would bite the bullet.
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>>84528431
Just buy them from our Slavic friend.
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>>84528446
I know you can't exactly spell it out, but I for one don't know who our slavic friend is
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>>84528479
Right now he's probably stuck in ruts wearing camo pants, buried chest deep in a Maginot, wondering when he'll touch flesh aain.
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>>84528431
Have you tried asking at your local game store? I've asked mine to order in a few webstore exclusive items before for me and they've done it and still given me their usual discount. It's my understanding that webstore stuff is still on the buylist or whatever for LGS's.
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>>84528502
The site has a PHP error atm. Shame, because it was working a few days ago. No idea if the caster is fighting or not, but I know his location was west of the Dnieper.
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>>84527088
>Vamps got dicked down withe the swapping of bloodlust into animal savagery
thats a weird way to spell buffed
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>>84528741
On FUMBBL, Vampires have the second lowest win % of all teams barring ogres. Having used them myself, their consistency makes goblins feel like tier 1. They make the LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE meme a reality.

Can you do well with vampires in a match? Yes.

Can you do well with them consustently? NO! GOD NO!
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>>84528741
So far it has tanked the winrates for vamps so indeed it is a weird buff.
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>>84528502
Hopefully he's had his head blown clean off
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>>84528975
this is the level of humanity of a bootlicking paypiggy.
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>>84528975
I'd rather play with the hewitt sperg than the likes of you.
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>>84529857
>>84530086
You both would be lucky to get a game, period.
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Converting the RNEstudio dwarfs into Chaos Dwarfs.
Thanks to the silly not-viking horns I feel like just adding the hat is enough here.
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Got top 5 in a local MESBG tournament. Anyone interested in a few short battle reports about it?
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>>84530449
I'm with them, you're a retard and should probably go back to 40kg.
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>>84531373
Only if you play an interesting faction.
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>>84531521
Rivendell and Numenor alliance. Isildur with the Ring was crucial for every match.
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>>84531643
>Rivendell and Numenor alliance. Isildur with the Ring was crucial for every match.
I see. In that case...
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>>84518184
warmaster looks very cool and affordable thanks to 3d printing. Is the game easy to learn? I will learn it and teach retard pals if it is.

If it's very complicated they wont want to learn it.
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>>84531373
absolutelly yes anon
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>>84531373
If you provide nice photos I will even make them into a thematic spread
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>>84530449
>a random anon says a BAD thing about me, based entirely off assumptions from my unsupportive reply to his stupidly hostile post
Oh no! How will my self-esteem ever recover from such a blow? D,:
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>>84528893
>>84528898

fumbll is filled with grogs trying to play vamps like its 2016. its effectively a completely new team needing completely new tactics
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>>84532414
Aight. So it was an escalation format with 200p to 750p. The scenarios were told in advance which filtered a ton of lists, but the players mostly liked the format.
I was originally going to go with a Corsair + Serpent Horde shooty list, but the scenarios heavily favored mobility, and Lords of Battle can be a real uphill battle when playing a low defence horde.

So I went with the pictured list. Pic has obviously some extra models for dismounts and if I need to pick up the banner with an elf.
200p Isildur and 7 numenoreans.
450p add Glorfindel and some elves.
600p fill their warbands
750p Cirdan
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>>84532625
These look great. Lotr minis are so cheap I CANNOT understand how it isnt more of a jumping in point for people getting into wargaming
>IP people love
>Minis look nice
>Good system
>Way cheaper than AoS or other fantasy games

What am I missing here
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>>84532672
>Barely any marketing presence
>Generally little to no store space, most of the line is online only
>Waah waah mydudes I want to use my OC captain whose name Borogorn who is super good.
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>>84532625
200p Seize the Prize against Angmar.
I was real happy to roll this opponent just because it was one of the rare lists that didn't have mounted models and March to attempt the prize turn 1.
Instead I got the priority turn 2, he didn't heroic move and I got Isildur into two wild wargs and just grouped up behind him with my numenoreans, managing to dig up the artifact with them.
WK tried to transfix Isildur but he resisted it and proceeded to heroic combat off the two wargs into a ride. The Numenoreans were a very efficient choice against the wargs. F3S4D4 statline does not like facing them.
WK managed to get into my prize carrier but flubbed the roll and I ended up tabling him soon afterwards. Got extremely lucky with my terror checks, resistant to magic rolls and overall rolling though.
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>>84532512
I do think you are onto something with that statement though the extent of this change remains to be seen. Recent vampire stats from NAF doesn't show any big swings, apart from 2020 being somewhat of an outlayer.
2022 46.32% 204 games.
2021 46.03% 655 games.
2020 43.18% 506 games.
2019 46.15% 1248 games.
2018 45.02% 993 games.
https://member.thenaf.net/index.php?module=NAF&type=statistics
If anything the playrate of vamps seems a bit lacking. As a black orc player I hope you are correct since blorcks could be in a similar slump and it's a new team..
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>>84532699
strange matt, looks good otherwise
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>>84532762
And I forgot to add: The overall winrate of vamps was something 43%ish so compared to that the 2020 version is performing a bit better.
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>>84532699
450p Fog of War was in listbuilding stage my most dreaded match.

Trying to cram Glorfindel into the list meant that I just didnt have any numbers. I had 14 models total.
It did mean that the opponent was forced to try to assassinate him though which is never a fun experience.
The opponent was a pretty nightmarish Gondor list for my elite infantry. Faramir, Captain, a boatload of Knights (dol amroth models but they're regular MT knights), and a battleline of warriors and rangers.
The saving grace was that we ended up on the same dense goblin town map I had been in the previous game that had a heavy line of sight blocking cliff and a fairly dense chokepoint. After some posturing we committed into a brawl at the chokepoint. I lost a crucial heroic move roll-off, resulting in Faramir, 3 knights and even some warriors getting to charge Isildur who was on horseback.
Isildur rolled 1 on the strike and lost the combat. But in a completely outlandish display of dice he was unable to deal more than 2 wounds on him with all of his dice. This pretty heavily tilted my opponent which came back to bite him later.
Meanwhile Glorfindel somehow managed to heroic combat through two knights into two rangers and was an absolute unit the entire game. I crucially won the next move-roll off and immediately dismounted and put the ring on with Isildur. Just through sheer good duel dice and higher fight I was able to grind his forces slowly down while losing only a few in return.
I got lucky enough that I managed to break him by just 1 model while being 1 model away from breaking. Glorfindel had sprinted towards my Fog of War objective and due to his tilt he didn't realize he could have contested that objective. That gave me the win barely (if he had contested it would have ended in a draw) as we immediately rolled the game to end.
Probably the luckiest match I've ever played.
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>>84532672
>Half the shit in the game is out of production
>many plastic kits are reslly old and rough
>I hope you like finecast
>Zero yourdudes
>can't buy anything in stores
>updates few and far between
Mesbg is good, but you're obviously not thinking about it objectively.
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>>84532823
600p was Command the Battlefield against a Mordor&Serpent Horde alliance. Custom maelstorm rules meant we deployed warbands alternating.
I would have liked to shoot him with my 5 elf bows but sadly this was the situation after deployment.
I tired a denied flank gameplay where I charged the serpent horde side with Glorfindel and Isildur and most others, while leaving only a small force to hold the Morannons.
While the two heroes did excellent work and managed to kill Suladan early on, his Shelob then tied them down and almost killed Glorfindel.
Meanwhile my dice turned cold and I lost every single fight aside from the heroes on the first turn of combats, losing like 6 models when he lost 8. This continued and we were both laughing at the absurdity of it. My elite forces even with a banner just crumbled against basic morannons and serpent guard. I got quartered way too early and my objective grabbing knights ran away at the first break test. I managed to break him just as I got quartered to get a single measely VP.
Honestly serves me right though considering the 450p game I had outlandish dice.
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>>84532834
I do not see why the game needs that many updates or in store space to get NEW players.

I imagine
>like the idea of mini wargaming
>I like lotr a lot
>google lotr minis since I know of it faintly
>go online, its affordable
>get some minis
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>>84532924
There are too many holes in that line of thought. How do these "new" players-to-be learn about miniature wargaming? Having store space in gaming stores and/or marketing for a game is what tells people that this kind of thing even exists. When people learn about miniature wargaming its typically through warhammer, which is the reason why people go for warhammer. Back when Lotrsbg was big in the early 2000s it had a lot of marketing behind it.
Even then, if they find out about and manage to stumble into games workshop's lord of the rings range the initial investment outside of the Pelennor box is going to feel rough for someone who doesn't know anything about wargaming.
>30-50 local currency for a book? And I need two of them to play? No thank you.
Add onto this the needing to learn how to paint etc. and its not in any way an easy world to get into if you don't have anyone to teach you the ropes.
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>>84532909
750p Lords of Battle I ended up against the Angmar player from the first match.
This was a completely horrible matchup for him.
As long as WK cant shut down Cirdan the match is really lopsided.
Angmar has zero tools against terror and with aura of command and/or high courage I negate all his advantages. I had a substantial shooting advantage and could dictate the fight to happen in a chokepoint which suited me.
He made a massive mistake pushing his trolls forward aggressively and I pounced on them. Thanks to the Ring Isildur slaughtered Bhurdur in a single round before helping Glorfindel dispatch another. After that I just ground him down.
After that the game swung for him for a while though. WK and troll managed to kill Isildur as Glorfindel got bogged down. The troll later did a huge full distance hurl which devastated my lines. Only right before time was called I managed to get Glorfindel into a trapped WK and kill him, securing me the win.

Anyhow, ended up placing 3. out of 16 players which was completely unexpected.
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>>84532315

It is pretty simple to learn. No pages of special rules to memorise, all the rules for your faction will fit on a single page.
The only complicated bit is the combat resolution about which direction to fall back, who can pursue, etc.
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>>84532672
GW seems to be actively trying to kill this game by making it hard to get, giving minimal releases, inflating prices, and hiding it as much as possible behind their proprietary IPs. Any of their half a dozen secondary 40k games is getting more attention and publicity than LOTR. Lots of models can only be bought on their online store, lots of models are only in shitfuck resin, and they got some stupid price hikes.

Aside from that, LOTR is much more of a 'finished setting' than any of the Warhammers, you can't keep adding new stuff indefinitely. And what they did with the Hobbit line is already bad enough that I don't know if I'd want them to release new stuff anyway.
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>>84533135
>GW seems to be actively trying to kill this game by making it hard to get, giving minimal releases,

Are you fucking dumb or what?
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>>84533019
>>84532909
>>84532823
>>84532699
>>84532625
Great reports, thanks for sharing. Your minis look fantastic and I'm happy to see that all your opponents had well painted armies too.
Terrain looks cool except for that weird mat though..
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>>84533230
In what way is any of what I said dumb or wrong?
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>>84532762
>>84532794
This would be tournament results however, quite a bit different from perpetual or league settings which fumbbl shows.
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>>84533332
True, and tournament format is as important format as league play is.
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>>84533249
It has had a lot of releases over the last year. Enough to push Easterlings and Dale into full fledged armies, two supplements and another faction due and updates to Lothlorien. And that's all that's just confirmed so far.
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>>84533238
Yeah all the other mats were very thematic, shame that I had to play twice on the goblin town board but that's how it goes somethimes.
For example here's a desert map which I dreaded because a lot of opponents would have outshot me substantially before I got Cirdan.
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>>84533394
I guess? Different strokes and all that. I have fallen into the Exhibition camp, the middle man. League is too long and tournaments are too competitive. Had enough of tournaments after being both lucky enough to get actual trophies and unfortunate in realising it ruined my enjoyment of my first team.
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>>84533509
Well that's one of the great things about tabletop games, you are not tied to the developers leash unlike in video games and there is no wrong way to play, just wrong groups to play with.
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>>84533623
Tell me about it. Despite playing BB on and off since 2009, from pc, tabletop and fumbbl, i still am happy i got into it. The models and game is just so great and fun memories. Never mind that unlike games, when I get super old, I still got my miniatures to look back on instead of a dead console from the 90s I can sell for 1 euro.
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>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/15/sunday-preview-sylvaneth-and-skaven-clash-in-next-weeks-pre-orders/
>Red Harvest terrain is being split into two sparse-looking ravaged lands sets
>they cheekily suggest that you could combine them to get a full battlefield as though it wasn't originally designed and sold that way
wew.
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>>84526899
>Dwarfs
strong Belgian style beer, Dubbel or Tripel
>Norse
honey beer or Eisbock
>northern Empire
Pils (countryside) or Porter (coast)
>southern Empire
Hefeweizen or Maerzen
>Vampires
Flanders red ale
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>>84533425
Sure. Meanwhile 40k games get a release every other week instead of every other other month.
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>>84533461
shit that's a beautiful shot.
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Finished hats for the whole team.
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>>84533776
Wow, this must have bombed hard and they are desperate to recoup the costs.
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>>84534220
Could be. It was definitely better terrain than the doors and scatter shit from Catacombs, but I already have the original starter stuff which still just feels like by far the best official terrain to play Warcry on. Not to mention Red Harvest was about $50 more expensive than the original starter set and included less minis. I wonder if many already established players looked at it, had the same thought process I did, and decided to give it a pass.
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>>84532625
>Isildur in 200pts
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>>84534166
Yes and the game is a mess. Less GW meddling = better game.
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>>84534300
I'm sure you have a better option in mind?
Bear in mind that the scenarios were revealed before lists were submitted. So you're playing Seize the Prize.
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>>84533776
>>84534286
Reminds me of how B&C wrote an article on Ash Wastes and was desperate to say it was a 20% discount because those four tiny platforms are apparently worth the same $185 as the full plastic board, stairways, and column set from Dark Uprising.
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>>84534166
You already know that's a false argument. Stop being a dishonest cunt
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I kind of want to make some ad mech explorators. What kits do they kitbash nicely with?
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>>84534358
That's why I still play with the One Ring rules
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>>84533776
Why do they keep releasing terrain with these starter boxes that bloats the prices? The people who actually care about plastic terrain are a tiny subset of the people who would prefer buy a much cheaper warcry starter set that just had rules and miniatures.
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Has Ash Wastes been uploaded already? I want to play with my little Fremen
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MESBG noob here, is it possible to make a good semi competitive Defense of Helms Deep army without elves? I want to run Three Hunters with Rohan but my book autism refuses to let me play elves here
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>>84536604
good, yes. great, no. part of what makes the legion so handy is it combines the high numbers and awesome heroes with F5, D6 troop capabilities and 30" elven shooting. especially if you shell out and get a ton of royal guard you can kinda replicate it but it's not quite the same
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>>84537201
Is there like a minimum amount of elves you're expected to bring?
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>>84537970
should pretty much always shoot for 1/3, they're just excellent troops that compliment the legion effectively
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So I’m thinking about getting into Necromunda, any tips on how to get started? Planning on either Von Saar or the new Nomads
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>>84539168
Get some minis, grab a friend and have fun.
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I'm still not done the second coat on blocking in the blue but I wanted to see if I could manage this freehand, opinions on the flames? I wanted to do something other than an 8 pointed star for the hats to make them look chaos dwarfy despite the blue.
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>>84538736
Cool, thanks for the tips.
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>>84539168
Get the rulebook, get your gang's book, then try out some skirmishes, maybe only starting with 500 creds or something to get the mechanics of the game.
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>>84539474
Looks nice. Are you planning to play them with dwarf rules? Or what do you plan on using for hobos and centaurs?





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