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Do not go gentle into this good night Edition

Previous Heresy >>84506806

『Adeptus Titanicus』
>Rules and supplements
mega<dot>nz<slash>folder/Csgk2ZTR#3vRK4eXP5ovbyM_TSL0tWA
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics
>homemade missions:
https://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html

『Horus Heresy』
>Official Website
https://thehorusheresy.com/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads (Exemplary Battles):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#the-horus-heresy
https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/#the-horus-heresy
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
>Thread FAQ (suggestion)
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Warhammer_Tactics/30k
>Rules and supplements
mega<dot>nz<slash>folder/3wwGVTjZ#zwjoK0nSZ2Kzin6mJ0dV1w
mega<dot>nz<slash>folder<slash>yM1yWIba#ETw9ELPJmEScSrM9WwjRCw
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Everything before or after Black Books 1-7 is not canon.
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>>84516066
I can already feel the autism this OP will create
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I'm taking inventory of my spookybois. Among everything else, I've got two terrors squads, one in mkiii and one in mkiv, and I've got a unit of Night Raptors in the regular Forgeworld style. I kinda want to do another squad, but I want them to be a different style. I've also got 20 MkV assault marines and 10 destroyers, so idk if I want to do Mkiv and Mkv. Destroyers are pretty unique I guess. I might go full dumb and use the old upgrade heads with the giant bat wings for maximum ham, but regardless I'm not sure what armor style. Any ideas?
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Any word on whether or not Leviathans will get a plastic kit?
I remember seeing rumors about it a while back but the lack of leaks makes me worried. I feel like we've seen all the reveals for leaked models now that they've shown the Sicaran.
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Fake thread, titanicel-free bake up
>>84516154
>>84516154
>>84516154
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>>84516148
50/50 it either happens or it doesn’t.
But in seriousness I don’t expect anymore releases until after the box drops. GW likes to avoid putting everything out at once. Well besides the last missing characters. But inside of 12 months I reckon we will see the leviathan, among other kits.
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Bait OP, migrate to >>84516154
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>>84516148
They disappeared frow FW's shop at they same time as Sicaran.
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>>84516208
>>84516164
Why did you post this twice and then reply to your own thread?
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>>84516269
Because bumping is preferable to keeping bait afloat. I'm even 90% sure op isn't the bitching AT baby from last thread, just a troll.
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>>84516284
Kek I knew it was (you) only (you) are enough of a constantly seething turbo-autist to make your own thread and constantly reply to it over something so trivial
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>>84516130
Mk V is always a better choice.
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>>84516312
never fear saruman is here!
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>>84516380
Stop bumping this bait thread.
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>>84516148
Everything that was lctb but the leviathan has been shown in plastic
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>>84516364
I've already got mkv assault marines, though
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>>84516269
lol
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So turns out the resident moron in a permanent retarded crusade against AT, must be also the resident anti-BL sperg that also shitposted and whined about "bait thread" when things do not go his way a few months ago:
> https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/82984157/#q82985112

Inb4: schizo, there's dozen of us, etc, etc: You're not fooling anyone paying atttention

Seriously anon: You don't own this place and your retarded moronic opinions are a minority within a minority. Fuck off.
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Should i get a superheavy or a knight?
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>>84516754
depends, what do you play?
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>>84516754
superheavy if loyalist, knight if traitor.
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We need new plastic mk5. It's stupid that after a decade since the Black Books the mark literally called "Heresy armour" is the least commonly seen in the game
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>>84516811
I'm painting WE. Will never play them though.
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Always hated how the EC are portrayed as 100% fucked up even before Istvaan, makes painting them up in the clean purple and gold feel wrong. Seems like most of the other traitor legions had a more slow decline into corruption over the course of the Heresy.

Don't think I've seen many people paint accurately fucked up EC either, it's usually either black/pink or just replacing the purple with bright pink or something like that.

Just feels like the only legion with such a big disconnect from the fluff and what you actually see people paint
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>>84516869
IIRC beyond those close to Fulgrim most of the III legion didn't go full CSM until after Issvan 5.
By Angel Exterminatus they're already a carnivale of gaudy colours, body mods, and literal camp whores/cultists within their ranks.

But most people must like them for their classic purple/gold scheme, so that's what they paint them. Still proper for loyalist EC, though
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>>84516869
if anything it is more horrific to have perfect umblemished appearances but be monstrous beneath, and their heresy story is about the pursuit of perfection leading to self adoration so it is more thematic of the overall period than just being leather daddies from day one.
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so what do you guys think about this article?
maybe plastic leviathan?
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>>84516988
>umblemished appearances but be monstrous beneath
That role is the DA's thing
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>>84517091
Leviathan or Predator for sure
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>>84516148
The Leviathan is one of FWs best selling kits, there's no way a plastic one isn't in the works.
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>>84517091
I think it’ll be another character. Exodus, corswain, khan.
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>>84516869
>>84516915
Throughout there heresy, EC were changing their colors at their personal whims as their feelings about their artistic expression became more overriding, but were paining things to fit their personal style - which, while getting more fucked up over time, would mostly have taken the form of more gilding and decorations, with perhaps more sculpted reliefs, overstated medals and personal badges than outlandish color clashes. More gaudy and ostentatious than freakish.
Those outlandish color clashes would mostly have occurred well after the heresy as they became irreversibly addicted to warpmusic and needed things to be in neon lizardstripe patterns as their abused sensory centers became unable to distinguish one 'normal' color from another, like a reverse-colorblindness that lets you see way more color but at the expense of all ordinary colors becoming too dull to distinguish.
tldr they were fucked up, just not that fucked up yet.
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>>84517092
DA are more clandestine basically the illuminati, EC are more Nero and narcissistic.

also DA are gay
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Had a 4k event today and got to use my Eldar and the greenbook.

My games were super close, a narrow win against guiliman and an army of 3++ missile terminators, and a narrow loss against daemon + militia with 3 LoW
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>people want bigger marines
>tortuga slav torsos become very popular since they're the same size as chaos marines
>beakies are revealed and they're bigger than earlier HH marines but smaller than chaos marines
>GW created a new fucking marine size that doesn't fit with anything else
My question is: Why?
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>>84516837
curved shins, giant exposed ass and ass area, giant power pack (mk5 and 6 have the same one) and monopose. take it or leave it.
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>>84517146
>"people" want bigger marines
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>>84517122
>with perhaps more sculpted reliefs, overstated medals and personal badges than outlandish color clashes.
Someone needs to make some Warsaw Pact general ECs
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>>84517146
>>people want bigger marines
That's only insecure manlets, really
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>>84517122
Dunno, the EC in Angel Exterminatus are pretty fucked up and CSM-like. IIRC there were even daemonettes and those slaanesh horse beasts roaming around them.
>>84517146
The new beakies are in the same scale than modern rubrics and CSM. Some poses can make them look smaller but they aren't in others.
>>84517167
I'll give you the stupid new power pack and bad panel details, but the other are the inevitable result of upscaling manlets.
Monopose is a meme for hobbylets.
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>>84517113
>khan
??
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>>84517243
That's clearly not the Khan, just look at his face.

No, seriously. This is one case when 3rd party models like pic related are better than the official thing.
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>>84516164
Titanbros are welcome, fuck off
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>>84516696
AT sucks this is hhg
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>>84517243
Biker khan anon
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>>84517521
>Biker khan anon
Ha, good fucking luck
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>>84517599
My secret hope is that the Khan model looks so off because the top body is mean to go into a future mounted release with his jetbike.
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holy terra what a madman
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>>84517619
Man, that looks quite a lot like ass
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>>84517619
sword doesn't fit Horus at all
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>>84517619
What a lot of bits. While I can appreciate the guy’s technical skill, all his paint jobs look off. His values are all wrong, everything looks washed out, desaturated and paler than it should be.
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I'm love him
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>>84517740
Values are relative. His are fine.
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>>84517758
too small, almost like it belongs in some sort of specialist game
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>>84517771
like the one set in the horus heresy
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>>84517619
Sword makes him look like a Alpharius and/or Omegon.
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>>84517758
>we want the battletech audience
>what do you mean they're all destitute boomers?
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>>84516696
Long live AT
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>>84517769
>t. Lil Legend
His blacks all read like greys. Not even dark greys. Even relative to themselves his values are off.
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>>84517128
Great! Which army option/RoW did you choose? I'd love to do a tank list one day.
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>>84517619
Whats the problem?
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>>84517889
I fear they're letting it die :(
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>>84517970
It's gimmicky but fun. I think the new AL stuff will be better though.
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I'm really set on Word Bearer's
Is Mk 3 armour ok for the pre-heresy armour? Would they have any pre-heresy armour during the heresy?
Also did all marine have writing on their armour or just a few?
Is the main decoration that they had the writing + parchments?
How do I set the standard marines apart from the veterans?
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Are volkite calivers unable to be fired on the move? Lore says so, but I don't know about the rules.
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>>84518122
Oh fuck also forgot to ask
Would it make much sense to have post-heresy mark iv armour fighting alongside mark iii armour?
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>>84518158
>Would it make much sense to have post-heresy mark iv armour fighting alongside mark iii armour?
Sure. It was long, long after the Scouring (probably not until around the 3rd Founding) before loyalists could afford to stop using every single suit they had, in most cases.
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>>84517959
Path of the warrior so I could use more varied selection of aspect warriors. This was super important in the game against the daemon player as we both used a leviathan FoC.
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Will the new Contemptor Dreadnought let you take two ranged arms or are you stuck with having to take one fist?
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>>84518122
>>84518158
Nothing wrong with having a range of armour marks in an army, especially a late heresy one. Using CSM bits for your veterans is a good way of making them stand out and acceptable for WB, but for my part I think they’re better if the 40k stuff is mixed in with 30k kits, and the overall gribbliness is toned down a little by trimming off some of the more chaos-y stuff.
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>>84518122
>>84518158
Mk3 is up-armored mk2 and was generally meant for breaching actions, forlorn hopes, general heavy assault where you want more armour. Mk4 is a straight upgrade to mk2 but is more complicated to make and has less armour than mk3, so mk3 still saw use. When the heresy broke out people realised that mk3 is better at stopping bolter rounds so it became a more general purpose armour. As for decorations it's pretty much flavor to taste, though they also used arcane symbology along side writing that you can see in the black books.
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MKII BEST ARMOUR PLASTIC SET SOON AND IT WILL NOT BE SHIT
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>>84518350
according to vehicle crew and mk6...
>brow trim
>rounded neck trim
>pecs
>every single plate is curved
>yuge powerpack
>EXTRA THICC ASS
I can't wait!
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Thoughts on using the mk VII assault marine jump packs on the new beakies? I have so many spare and want to find a use for them, they feel wrong with any other mark imo.
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>>84518429
Depends what the new jump pack will look like tbqhwyfdd.
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>>84518371
I have some from a cool ukrainian recaster before the war started. Shall see how NuHeresy looks for rules on how to paint em. I read there are cool bayonet rules and I got the chain Bayonets for them. Still torn between Stormwing or Traitor BA for them, since they do not seem to count as additional hand weapons on your guys anymore so the new rules are important.
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>>84518150
They're Heavy. Maybe read the fucking rules?
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>>84518588
Be kind, anon. Some babies simply do need spoonfeeding.
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>>84518588
>implying I can read
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>>84518074
I have accepted that all good GW games die anon. But I take solace in the fact that when I finally finish my AT models, I can post them here and watch that cock sucking retard throw a shitfit about them
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>>84518772
Please do, I am with you there.
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>>84518588
>uh...acthually... they are heavy, so like... maybe read the rules
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>>84518772
>But I take solace in the fact that when I finally finish my AT models
You never will and even if did you'd have no one to play with.
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>>84517261
Riiiiiight
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Come on you silly bastards, post models
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>>84519350
those aren't titans
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>>84519386
Well spotted. Can you show me how to count to 10 bud?
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>>84519396
Maniples rarely reach 10 models pal, unless yo go all knights.
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>>84517758
How is that less expensive than a FW knight acastus? By thirteen USD no less
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>>84519350
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>>84517891
>His blacks all read like greys. Not even dark greys.
Irrelevant.
>Even relative to themselves his values are off.
Wrong.
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>>84519440
Based
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>>84519350
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>>84519440
>no aether-fire cannon
ngmi
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>>84518857
>he thinks everyone is a friendless loser like him
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>>84519582
well it use to be crap. Shred maulers was way better
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>>84519608
mind over mauler anon
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>>84519582
>>84519608
Still not sure whether nu-Aetherfire is better or not. Potential for S10 is nice I guess
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>>84516066

looking to build up some blackshields with exotic gunnery here and there. Here's a small question: do the space marines have access to Tesla-style electric gunnery like some of the admech have?
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>>84519798
No.
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>>84519798
>blackshields
Anon...
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>>84519839
THEY'RE COMING BACK
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>>84519839

What, do you think i'm one of those privileged people having friends to play HH with?
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>>84519350
The first dude of my new Iron Hands force, waiting on astrogranite and grey weathering powders for some lunar basing. Also want to apply transfers but they got taken off the store midway through I was paying for them :(
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>>84519350
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They forgot to animate this dude and left him A-posing in the background.
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>>84518588
But the rules aren't out yet.
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>>84517167
>urved shins, giant exposed ass and ass area, giant power pack (mk5 and 6 have the same one)
All of this is good.
>and monopose
And this is wrong. So I take it.
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>>84520042
did you use wall paint?
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>>84519798
rules wise you'd need to check what war gear they can equip.
however im sure there is freedom with how you kitbash your minis flavor wise, and make it clear before games
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>>84520156

Xenos deathlock rifles and halo blades are blessed bread in that prospect yes.
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>>84519350
I'm still conceptualizing my AL list, and really have no idea how I want them to look as a complete force. I'm fluffing them as a cadre of renegade loyalists, light and fast with a high cincentration if elite units. Not aure if that would be better represented by PotL or Legion Recon, or if I should just forgo RoW's entirely.
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>>84517128
>Green book
Vas is das?
I must know.
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>>84518150
No, lore you also have fucking people weilding bolters like they are just bolt pistols
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>>84516130
mkV > all other armour marks
I'm quite partial to mixing armour marks with Night Lords, though, so I also recommend that.
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>>84517128
> 1 special character HQ
> 2 LOW
> a ton of wraiths with D shit
> 2 D flyers
Are eldar players just always cancer
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>>84520462
Fan made rules. I think there are rules for Orks and Necrons as well.
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>>84520562
>necrons
>30k
lame shit
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>love khan and lion models
>hate painting black or white
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
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>>84520617
They were around. How do you think Ferrus got his necrodermis arms?
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>>84520641
Khan is really mostly gold
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>>84516869
Personally I really enjoy how extremely fast and hard the Emperor’s Children fall. Marius Vairosean, Captain of the EC’s 3rd company and the first noise marine, is described as having his jaws permanently wired open in a distended scream, his eyes sewn open, and v’s of flesh slashed into his head instead of ears. And that’s on Istvaan 5. After the Maraviglia, Slaanesh worship spreads like a wildfire through the legion.
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>>84520661
His army isn't
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>>84520532
Eldar players should fuck off back to their containment games, yes
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>>84520061
There is a currently active set of rules that has existed with profiles for the gun in question.
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>>84520914
>Eldar players should be killed on sight
FTFY
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>"im going to be making the HH 2.0 battlescribe soon!"
>"oh, suggestion, make all 18 legions seperate because having 17 legions hidden makes it run like ass"
>"NOOOO YOU'D HAVE TO INPUT THE DATA 18 TIMES WHEN THERES AN UPDATE!!!!"

Jesus Christ, stop being lazy with quite literally a copy pasted army list
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>>84521128
>Battlescribe
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>>84521190
hey its a useful tool for listbuilding because everyone is a lazy fuck who cant use excel and apparently nobody can use a pen and paper anymore
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>>84521190
I can list build at 4am when a random idea of a robot heavy World Eater army strikes me.
Useful tool for those of us with more ideas then armies.
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>>84521190
I can build a list on my phone while I shit at work using battlescribe.
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>>84521128
Calm down 2671, they may have been fags about it but whining here changes nothing
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>>84521444
I will not deny who I am, but I have at least suggested splitting it into loyalist and traitor instead so only 8 legions are hidden instead of 17
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>>84519350
Can you post pic of your dudes little more in sideway please? I saw the same illustration in the black book and wondered how that brass/bronze on legs would turn out but couldn't try it myself
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>>84521534
Yeah I saw and I considered chiming in and agreeing but it is what it is. Can't be too careful with their egos it seems. If they make better that'd be great but you might be better off trying another method/approach.
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>>84521571
firstly alright whats your number

secondly, gotta love how they said "oh do it yourself" yet when told "okay, give me a guide to do it" they did nothing
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>>84520314
That's a nice teal.
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>>84518456
Fuck it imma use them anyways
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>>84521613
0597
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>>84520914
>>84521050
I praise eldar hh players for being the willing punching bags they deserve to be
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>>84521190
Its free fuck the quartermaster jews
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>>84522011
If they bring that many LoWs/SD in HH then they'd better be ready to fight 40 Tyrant Siege Terminators
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>>84521128
I hope it's totally overhauled. Reading people's Battlescribe lists is a formatting nightmare.
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>>84520797
he looks like he's having a great time
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>>84518122
Mk III was available during the late Crusade. Mk IV was just becoming available at the end of the Crusade, like around the time Ullanor happened. Yes, those armor suits would last through the war, especially on veterans.

Few marines had writing on their armor... unless they were Word Bearers. They were big on that. Find yourself a copy of books 2 and 5 for FW color plates. As for veterans... trophies, gold trim, maybe even some Chaos-y trim and signs of mutation, though they were still keeping it hidden before the war broke out.
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>>84520044
>giant thigh gap
I thought nuBeakies were designed to stand like humans. dayum son dem hips n' ass be thicker than I thought.
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>>84518122
>Is Mk 3 armour ok for the pre-heresy armour?
Very ok, yes.
>Would they have any pre-heresy armour during the heresy?
Absolutely.
>Also did all marine have writing on their armour or just a few?
More had it than lacked it, but if you don't want to paint the squiggles, I don't think anyone will hold it against you.
>Is the main decoration that they had the writing + parchments?
Pretty much. I'd suggest looking at the art in the Black Books
>How do I set the standard marines apart from the veterans?
Again, look at the Black Books for inspiration. You can also use the upgrade kits from FW if you want. I'd also make more liberal use of transfers for veterans.
>Would it make much sense to have post-heresy mark iv armour fighting alongside mark iii armour?
Makes fine sense, especially if it's late-Heresy when the legions needed to kit their marines up in whatever they could. Pretty, mark-matched squads became rarer as things went on.
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>>84522182
Those fucking knife-ears deserve nothing less, each match should be a game of genocide
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>>84522247
Fabius Bile discovers a way to rewire the Astartes nervous system so that pleasure and pain are reversed and enhanced, and he started doing this after the 3rd Legion cleanse the Laer
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>>84520649
From one of the countless leftover DAoT horrors that occupy Medusa, which has never even been hinted at being a Tomb World. Jesus not everything in the setting has to be a le ebin epic reference to the core factions, develop your imagination you absolute fucking drone.
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>>84522809
>Medusa, which has never even been hinted at being a Tomb World.
Except for having liquid metal beasts that match necron canopteks, you mean? And not all Necron worlds were tombs.
> not everything in the setting has to be a le ebin epic reference to the core factions
Come on, there are references to 40k shit all over the place starting with "I was there when Horus slew the emperor"
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>>84522809

>necrodermis
>not C'tan related.

Not saying it's not a retcon at some point. But man.
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>>84518074
it's just on a back burner, and even if it would die, we have eneough stuff to have fun for years.
They will release an Imperator Titan sometime in the future for sure. They'd be incompetent businessmen otherwise. People would buy them 100%.
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Potentially going to get into the game when the new plastic stuff is released; which legion should I choose if I like close range but still reasonably shooty?
Or is there really that much of a difference in playstyle between the legions?
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>>84523139
Sons of Horus are the premier short-ranged-shooting army.
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>>84523153
thanks
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>>84523139
>>84523153
Non-stinky Death Guard and surprisingly Night Lords excel at shooting close range
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>>84523313
Ordo Reductor.
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>>84523313
Iron Hands or Iron Warriors
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>>84523313
I say Iron Warriors for engineering and blowing shit up or Salamanders for craftsmanship and burning things
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>>84523235
That's a good point. Death Guard have those Terminators with fancy grenades, and Night Lords are volkite specialists.

On the loyalist side, the Imperial Fists get bonuses to bolter fire and the Salamanders bring a lot of flame.
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>>84523313
>Grumpy autist
Iron Warriors
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What are
>The most and least played heresy legions
>The best/worst looking on the tabletop

As lame as it may sound, I'm not too terribly concerned about lore of the legions (I like them all equally more or less, and keeping visuals accurate), but I just want a legion I can sort of assume others don't see as much and can look nice on the table. I want to really make each individual model pop, I have the entire summer free more or less.
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>>84523530
>I'm not too terribly concerned about lore of the legions
Absolute state of HH 2.0.
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>>84523543
I mean I read through the black books and I like them all equally. If there's any I don't really care about of had to eliminate it's probably the blood angels. I just want an army that looks nice and is a fun project to paint.

I suppose I should have phrased that better though. I do like the lore, but the problem is I can hardly place on over the other if we are trying to go based on a lore perspective.
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>>84523530
Every legion can look great if you put your mind to it, now stop being a fucking faggot and make upy our mind yourself
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>>84517717
It's not Horus. It's a preator
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>>84523313
white scars
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>>84523530
Play Ultramarines.
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>>84517128
where did you get that physical copy for that book?
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>>84523547
>>84523530
>lore

It's fluff, faggot.
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>>84523153
that's because they were made with Ork DNA
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>>84520462
>vas is das

Why are you bastardizing German?
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>>84517962
bits used
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>>84523530
>but I just want a legion I can sort of assume others don't see as much and can look nice on the table. I want to really make each individual model pop, I have the entire summer free more or less.
Based and hobbyist-pilled
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>>84522364
>>84522259
>>84518254
>>84518239
>>84518215
Thanks for being so helpful bros
Sorry for the (You)s also
Honestly I'd prefer my marines being clean, at most maybe they spend their time carving chaos prayers into their armour at most and writing them out on parchment
I hope people don't try to gatekeep me for that, I know it's popular for people to use the forgeworld sets to kit out their marines I just would prefer the legion icon to be painted on their shoulder rather than as a decoration to their armour because I don't get the point of that
If the books are so precious then don't bring them into battle
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>>84523530
>most played
Traitors

>least played
IH, Sallies, RG, WS

>looks
WS are kino but white is hard to paint
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>>84524142
>WS are kino but white is hard to paint
It isn't when 80% of the model is supposed to be white. You can just spray white and panel line.
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>>84523530
White Scars and Salamanders are the least common. Among traitors, the Emperor's Children. All of them take well to detailing.

I quit in 2018, having barely started. I think I'm back in.
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>>84524134
>I hope people don't try to gatekeep me for that
That'd be silly. The Word Bearers expanded their numbers like crazy so they'd have a lot of fresh recruits. And as anon said, if you're portraying them just before the Heresy, they were keeping all their Chaos worship under wraps. Note that only one of their chapters had started using red at that point (or something like that). Much of the legion was still using gray.
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>>84524246
Well idk which period I want to portray
I still haven't read the books so idk the battles they took part in
I do want Gal Vorbak and Lorgar in my lists though
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>>84524142
>>least played
The shattered cucks there as expected.

>>looks
Light schemes generally look best
DG/WE/IF/WS, maybe cause weathering is easy for them
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>>84524286
Gal Vorbak are an early Heresy thing (mostly) and I believe theirs was the first chapter to use red. They’re great. Usually used in the fancy drop pod types you can assault out of.
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>>84523024
"Canopteks" didn't exist when that fluff was written, genius. Iron Hands got his "living metal" Iron Hands when Necrons were still a Chaos Android-shaped twinkling in the designers' eyes.

The tiny handful of hints GW have dropped about the "truth" behind the silver wyrm battle myth have been about Medusa having loads of leftover rampant Dark Age tech on it, but dimbrain NPC droolers like you keep ignoring that - and the fact that since it's a myth the "reality" should never actually be known anyway as that defeats the fucking point of myth - because you're so terminally deficient in creative thought that the idea there might be more than one variation of "high tech metal" in an entire galaxy over a span of millions of years is apparently such a strain it breaks your pitiable little minds.

Seriously just do everyone a favour and go back to mindlessly mashing buttons on a console controller, actual hobbies are clearly beyond you.
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>>84523035
>>84524407 goes for you too.
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>>84524246
>>84524286
>>84524134
>20-30 years before Istvaan 3
Serrated Sun adopts crimson and silver livery
>after Istvaan 5
Entire legion adopts crimson and silver livery
>by Calth
Widespread corruption and mutation (but not quite CSM-tier)
>by Siege
Full CSM
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>>84524331
>Light schemes generally look best
>DG/WE/IF/WS
Prove me wrong (you can't)
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>>84524434
Shouldn't the SoH be pretty much full CSM by the mid-Siege too? I thought most of the remaining normies trying to resist Chaos died with the justaerin?
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>>84524571
I'd say late-Siege.
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>>84517128
Bro that was such a fun event, I had a great time and your army was sick as always. My buddy will have full pics up of all the armies soon and all the cool mid battle shots!

>>84520532
it was a 4k last hurrah for 1.0 event, everyone was encouraged to take big boys toys and dick kicker lists. Event organiser made sure similar power level armies played eachother. This wasn't some all comers babies first heresy event.
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>>84524407
>>84522809
Dude if you’d read any of the stories that feature manus on Medusa in his early days you’d know they make it extremely, painfully obvious that he spent his early years wandering through necron tombs BTFOing random necron lords. You’d also be able to realize that that one space wolf is running around with a necron lord hammered into an axe.
Ctan even feature in one of the first HH novels, mechanicum.

I don’t get why you’re pretending this isn’t true. I don’t get why this general has lately been full of mouth breathing contrarians who don’t know the fluff at all and get mad that their headcanon isn’t real.
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>>84517128
Oh hey, how does the greenbook play anyway?
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>>84524142
>white
>hard to paint

Literally. Literally. Spray white. Any kind. An ivory white would probably work best. Satin varnish. Oil wash of burnt umber or even sienna. Varnish after it dries and you clean up some of the wash with spirits. Paint details. Wubba lubba dub dub, friend.
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>>84516696
I was the person who took AT out of the General a few days ago, and it was because A: there's never any AT chat in here and B: with the new launch coming up any AT chat would be swamped by HH talk. The Specialist Games thread is a better place for it

I have nothing against AT. I gave serious thought to starting an AT army when it launched but I already had multiple Knights and didn't want to go smaller
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>>84525152
How tf did you get them on the ceiling
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>>84525386
magnetizing has gone too far
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>>84525386
Zero-G Zone Mortalis warfare in the depths of Space Hulks
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>>84525323
I hope they get the upgrade kits out fast. Legions don't really look proper without Legion-specific flair
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>>84525323
>>84525506
To be clear, your guys are an example of what I think a Legion should look like
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>>84518472
Bayonets are going to be auto include
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At least if new HH sucks we can always ignore it and play the FW version.
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>>84525943
Maybe, I haven't done the math, but it's a game of +1 S v. +1 attack, so its not like its a massive, free improvement.
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>>84526038
they don’t get +1 attack just for existing. So it’s +1 point for +1S, +2 for +1S and Shred, and +5 pts for Shred and +1 attack. Or you can just pay the same price as tacs for despoilers, and get access to power weapons too
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>>84526038
Bayonets are 1 point a pop, chain bayonets are 2 points. Chainswords on tacticals are a really fat 5 points each.

Bayonets are very aggressively priced for tacticals and S5 + shred might as well be auto wound against T3 or T4.
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>>84526082
>>84526139
>>84526082
Inherent CCW + Pistol on tacs, no? Or am I bleeding in modern rules?
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>>84525152
thats is pretty silly
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>>84526174
Tacs don’t have CCWs.
>uh actually their fi-
No they don’t.
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>>84526174
Bayonets are two handed weapons, tacs dont come with a knife CCW or anything.

Despoilers are very well priced though, costing the same as a bolter tactical to have a chainsword + pistol which is actually a pretty good loadout in 2.0.
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>>84526139
I think if you believe your tacticals will end up in melee, a chain bayo is worthwhile. Otherwise keep them naked
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>>84526174
>>84526194
>>84526200
Draft rules says that everyone (all marines, at least) has a Combat Blade, but they didn't before. No-one is quite sure what to make of it yet - well a few people are sure, but they're mostly shitters in either the "I can do anything I want" camp or in the "the old rules say you can't therefore the new rules mean you can't" camp. In neither case does being sure mean they're right.
Basically, we won't know until the actual final rules drop, and guessing has turned out to be unexpectedly toxic.
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Can you guys help me naming my loyalist yet heretical WB Chapter that worships the Emperor as the Omnissiah? Will be using Fury of the Ancients
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>>84526507
No
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>>84526485
considering it's worded the exact same as HH1, only newfags are arguing everyone gets free combat blades
fuck off back to 40k retard
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>>84526507
jesus, that hurts

>>84526485
I thought I read that somewhere. For sure wait for final judgment on release, but so far IIRC we've only seen minor changes from the playtests (i.e. breach seemingly fucking off and being replaced by rending).
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>>84526507
Eustace
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>>84526507
The Order of the Entombed Faggots
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>>84526507
Steel Rain
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>>84526507
Gods I hope Fury of the Ancients doesn't suck in HH2.0. The 3HQ requirement is so restricting. It's not like there is anyone, other then the preator's command squad, that the medic consul can go with.
Also I just want to run one preator, 2 mortifactors, and dreads as troops.

For the name you could go with something detailing that the dreads have already given it their all, and they still give their all for the fight. The Twice Martyred, or something like that. Or just go with the whole returned from near death, like, The Sanctified Returned. I dunno I suck at names.
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>>84526485
Newfaggot and dakkatard. Stop trying to push your headcanon
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>>84526507
The Motive and the Master
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>>84526507
The Order of the Wrinkled Grognard
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>>84526538
It doesn't say the same thing in HH1.

Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Army List (and Book One) says:
"Combat blade is a catch-all category which describes a variety of lethal hand-to-hand weapons favoured by the Space Marine Legions, the exact form varying from Legion to Legion by its culture and tradition. They range from heavy razor-edged chainbayonet, to adamantine gladius and Thule-alloy battle-axes that would be too heavy for an unaugmented human to wield."
It's pure fluff and doesn't say everyone has one.

Horus Heresy Age of Darkness Rulebook says:
"If a model is not specifically stated as having a weapon with the Melee type, it is treated as being armed with a single close combat weapon."
Note that it then says that Pistols, when used in close combat, have a Melee profile. It also clarifies 'single' close combat weapon.

In the old rules, some units had an option to purchase Close Combat Weapons, Combat Knives, or Chainswords.

In the new (playtest) rules, no units (so far) have, or have an an option to purchase, Close Combat Weapons/Basic Combat Weapons - and none of the units that previously had them or an option to take them do any longer - and things like Chainswords have separate profiles.

New Liber Astarts says (Basic Combat Weapons):
"As stated in Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness Rulebook, all models are considered to have some form of basic close combat weapon - be it a knife, entrenchment tool or simply bared fists and stubborn determination. In the Legiones Astartes this is most often the ubiquitous combat blade, a single-edged pattern welded blade forged of several non-terrestrial alloys. Regardless of the nature of the weapon, all basic combat weapons share the same profile, repeated here for ease of reference."
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>>84526507
Grogs Bane
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>>84526710
Stop posting.
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>>84526710
oh shit, salty fags BTFO'd
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>>84517261
Agreed. That model's absolutely fantastic but iirc some anon had it designed, made, and refused to make said design publicly available like the jew cunt he is.
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>>84526507
WB dreads were called the Annunake, which meant Princely Sons or Judges of Hell depending on who you ask. If you don't want to just call them that, something like the Entombed, Interred, or the something Revenants would work, but is a little on the nose. Other chapters don't really have a name that relates to what they're like, like Osseous Throne, Quillborn, or Star of Judgement. Maybe something like the Sable Gauntlet, Creedforged, or Fane of Vengeance. Your choice.
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>>84526507
Arvesh Khel'Dan, The Wrath of Fired Brass, in a rare dialect of Colchis used primarily by the esoteric orders of certain warlike mountain clans whose followers were believed to have been purged during Lorgar's conquest of Colchis.
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>>84526806
Oh, okay, exactly two legion-specifc units. Pyroclasts and Interemptors, that's it.

But not any of the following who had it before:
Legion Praetor
Legion Centurion
Legion Command Squad
Legion Veteran Tactical Squad
Legion Destroyer Squad
Legion Tactical Squad
Legion Assault Squad
Legion Tactical Support Squad
Legion Reconnaissance Squad
Legion Outrider Squad
Legion Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron
Legion Heavy Support Squad
Kakophoni
Terror Squad
Night Raptor Squad
Reaver Attack Squad
Gal Vorbak Dark Brethren
Mor Deythan Strike Squad
Ammitara Occult Intercession Cabal
Grey Slayer Pack
The Angel's Tears
The Golden Keshig
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>>84526485
Read the fucking rule book, it is the exact same shit as every other version of 40k.

If you DO NOT HAVE a ccw, you use the base ccw profile. This doesn't mean you get a free ccw because your bolt pistol already counts as one.
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>>84527008

I explain here >>84526710 , the Rulebook may say something similar to that, but in addition to that, the (playtest) Liber Astartes says that 'all models are considered to have some form of basic close combat weapon', which it then gives a profile for, which does not match anything else that they have or can take (except for 2 legion-specific units).
Unlike the previous edition Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Army List (and Book One), this mixes rule text with its flavor text ("all basic combat weapons share the same profile"), making it possible that the statement that "all models are considered to have some form of basic close combat weapon" is also a rule. They sure didn't need to repeat Basic Close Combat Weapon in the Liber Astartes book if it's in the main rulebook, even for 2 legion-specific units.
It changed for a new edition of 40K, it could change for a new edition of 30K. GW were never very good at writing good or even clear rules. It's not settled fact and won't be until we can at least see the final rules.
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>>84526986
Nice pedantry - except those units mostly had - or had options to take - a CCW OR Chainsword and now just have a chainsword
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>>84527056
nah you're a fucking idiot, all models already have some form of basic close combat weapon, it's their bolt pistols
fucking dumb shit
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>>84527056
I hate faggots like you so much who think retarded wordplay is intelligence

If GW clarifies that they intended every unit to have at base an extra attack via your retarded interpretation I will post my nudes with face, along with a time stamp and picture of my passport (open to my identification information) and drivers license. I’ll even post my social security number.
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>>84527061
>CCW OR Chainsword and now just have a chainsword
The Chainsword used to be the exact same profile and points cost. Now it is a much greater points cost and a completely different profile.

Let me say this: I think it's a reasonable conjecture that, due to the popularity of Betrayal at Calth, the majority of Legiones Astartes models* in existence would be the plastic MK4 Space Marines. But they have Combat Blades, not chainswords, with no option to take Combat Blades anymore (which they used to.) So you're suggesting that the majority of Horus Heresy models in existence are being squatted by these rules. Does that sound likely? How often does GW give options on kits but make the rules to use those options illegal (they usually doe the opposite and remove rule options that were never model parts from the same kit.)

>>84527070
>all models already have some form of basic close combat weapon, it's their bolt pistols
fucking dumb shit
Well, that doesn't match the description of the basic close combat weapons that the section supposedly describes: "a knife, entrenchment tool or simply bared fists and stubborn determination. In the Legiones Astartes this is most often the ubiquitous combat blade, a single-edged pattern welded blade forged of several non-terrestrial alloys"

>>84527082
Argue my points rather than sperging out. Or don't, I don't really give a fuck. You are probably a very boring conversationalist.
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>>84527184
No, no one likes muh debate me!! faggots. I’m not debating you because I know I’m right and I know the majority of people agree with me
I already proved my point with very simple logic
>if GW wanted every unit to have a CCW and pistol they would include that in the rules
>here’s an example where they did exactly that.
>GW didn’t just give out extra attacks because that’s retarded
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>>84527082
>they intended every unit to have at base an extra attack
Well, they might. It might be that this is true for marines but not other forces. That would make sense, and give marines in general a better go in combat with non-marines.
I mean, they intend all marines to have Frag and Krak grenades, pretty much. And they do list those. But in 4th edition 40K (only), that wasn't true - all marines had to explicitly buy Frag and Krak grenades if they wanted them (and didn't have to if they didn't want them). So it's a thing that can change from edition to edition based on how they want the game to play, rather than matching exactly what they've done before.
Almost everyone in the game being able to assault into cover with no initiative penalty makes cover as a defense against assault pretty distorted, but there you go, that's what they did. Even though it would have made perfect sense for HH marines to be different, and if it were an option, I think all sorts of listbuilding differences would have occurred over the years, as people scrape 10-20 points from their squads to put elsewhere. We definitely saw that with things like melta bombs and artificer armor.
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>>84527276
>very simple logic
Because GW always write perfectly logic rules, right?

What about the logic that GW always write rules with models in mind, and most models that exist (MK4 tactical marines), come with combat blades, and used to have a rule to be able to take those, but now the models still come with combat blades, but you can't use those models if they have combat blades?

You're just making a gut reaction to the rules changing in a way you don't expect (or like). GW does change rules from one edition to the next - you can pretty much say that's the definition of a new edition - and they've changed other things that seem dumb (say, 1 contemptor per mortificator, even though it used to be 5, which was already a deliberately non-standard unit size). Anyone who'd been around a long time remembers all sorts of rage and fury about things that didn't seem to make sense (splitting power weapons, hull points, psychic phase, etc), but eventually became recognized as normal.
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>>84527184
Old rules: pay points for a chainsword *because it gives you +1A*

We'll see what the new rules are. I'm wary of putting any faith in playtest rules.
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>>84527425
>Old rules: pay points for a chainsword *because it gives you +1A*
Yeah, but now Chainswrods also give you Shred.
And Chain-Bayonets, which are cheaper than Chainswords, also give Shred, but are two-handed.
And Bayonets are also two-handed, but are +1S.
So there's a point to every configuration here.
At least in the mind of a game designer (statistically there's clear winners and losers, at least for most matchups, but the differences are all pretty slight and most players will chose one or another based on how they want to model things)
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Would people be angry if I painted my stuff up as Black Templars so I could use them in 40K as well?
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>>84527608
Fully as Black Templars? Yeah, kinda.

Besides, non-Primaris aren't going to be around in 40k forever. Commit.
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>>84527608
stop being a bitch and learn to paint yellow
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>>84527363
>Because GW always write perfectly logic rules, right?
this is how stupid people think: assuming stupidity in others to justify their thinking
Didn’t read the rest btw
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>>84527715
I have fallen down and cannot get up
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>>84524710
>blacked library
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>Iron Hands got his "living metal" Iron Hands when Necrons were still a Chaos Android-shaped twinkling in the designers' eyes.
Necrons and their tech were introduced in 1997-8 in WD217, and the IA IH article that explained Ferrus and his living metal arms for the first time ever (in clear necron terms) was in WD262 from 2001. And there have been more hints since then in other sources.

You keep trying to peddle you idiotic headcanon, posturing like a pedantic hipster with better taste than us plebs. But in reality you're an retard that has literal negative knowledge with the amount of falsehoods you try to pass as facts. Any newbie is better than you because they know they're ignorant and don't try to give lessons about things they don't know shit about.

Seriously, fuck off and stop posting in /tg/. You're nothing bug a drag and waste of oxygen that makes worse this place everytime you hit the Post button.
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>play against tsons
>didn't get psychic shrieked off the table
great victory
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>>84527757
so many plastic boxes
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>>84525377
Fair enough, you make good points.
The seething shitposting retard that made the now deleted thread, and thinks he owns this place deserves all the mockery, though
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>>84527757
Interesting board. Looks too cramped, though.
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>>84527790
it would've been fine if the game was smaller but he wanted to play 3k
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So what should the bulk of my thousand sons marines look like?
Mark III armour + Mark IV and the achaean heads for veterans?
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Do we know when the big new box actually releases? I can't find a date anywhere.
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>>84527810
Yeah, that's how they've been portrayed. In their case MkVI should be rare even in the late heresy/siege, since they never recruited fresh marines during the war like other legions.
Personally I think MkIV fits them best, as they visually connects them to 40k rubrics.
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>>84527803
where's that spider-tank's turret gun came from?
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>>84527859
quantum gothic
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>>84527844
June, thats what we have been given so far
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>>84527468
It’s hard to believe that they intended for tacticals to all have a CCW and +1A as standard, because there’s no way on earth that paying 5 points for a chain sword just to get shred is worth it. Bayonets would be a downgrade as well, because losing an attack in order to gain +1S isn’t a good trade off, especially if you’re paying points for it. Despoilers would also be giving up their bolters just to get shred, which doesn’t seem worthwhile. I may be misremembering, but didn’t the new rules list pistols among the basic CCWs? That would make it a bit of a stretch to claim that they have another one on top of the bolt pistol listed in their profile. If they don’t clear the rules up before release then I expect this is one of the first things they’ll have to FAQ.
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do we know yet what exactly is on the mk6 sprue?
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>>84528045
You’ll take your plasma pistol and you’ll like it!
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>>84527608
Black primary, yellow secondary. Minimal primaris
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>>84527715
Even in death I have fallen and cannot rise, brother.
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>>84528045
We can infer the following from what’s been seen and described:
>5 bodies
>5 sets of bolter arms
>5 bayonets and 5 chain bayonets taking up half the sprue
>plasma pistol, power sword, fist (with LC bits), and crest for the sergeant
>vexilla
>few other decorative bits
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>>84527617
>Besides, non-Primaris aren't going to be around in 40k forever.
I'll believe it when I see it, honestly.
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>>84527617
taking a screenshot of this so i can repost it in 10 years and call you a retard
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>>84527810
For me it's Mk IV for everything except breachers and maybe close support squads. And do get their upgrade heads, they're /fa/ as fuck
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>>84527810
Helmetless
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>One of the first Terran Imperial Heralds recruited from the Kanaan region
>worships the Emperor as the literal Messiah, a legendary promised savior of their ancestors
>Chapter Master, a latent psyker claims that he saw a vision of the Emperor warning him of incoming purge and goes into 40-years long exile on his ship, the Tevat
too cringe?
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>>84528113
Don't forget the vox caster fampai.
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>>84528113
dang i was hoping for some holstered chainswords like the mk3 kit has to make the mk6 kit into veterans. Guess i'll just have to try and get the mk3 chainswords ti fit somehow
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>>84528221
You mean for loyalist WB? Seems fine to me.
If you're interested in that, read Apocalypse by Josh Reynolds. Is a 40k book, but mandatory for WB fans. I won't spoil the plot twist, but it's related...
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>>84527803
>took an aether-fire cannon on the castellax
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>>84518350
>MKII BEST ARMOUR PLASTIC SET SOON
Never happening or in 6 years
>AND IT WILL NOT BE SHIT
It will be, this is GW you're talking about
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>>84528385
The presence of MkII stuff on all the tanks shows that they definitely have the CAD assets floating about at the very least. They design these things years ahead, so it possible they may be sitting on a MkII kit and they’re just keeping it under wraps until they’re confident that it wouldn’t eat into MkVI sales too much. Still probably a good year out by that metric.
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>>84528385
>>84528429
S-surely they're saving the Mk II kit for the pre-Ullanor expansion reveal, r-right?
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>>84528429
>sitting on the mark VI kit
IF they go the 'assault marine, despoiler marine, destroyer marine' box route then they probably wouldn't see different marks as conflicting, I could definitely see mark II despoilers.
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What armor mark(s) would be most lore-appropriate for WB? I mentally associate them with Mk4 but not sure if that's just because they were one of the factions in the BaC box.
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I just want MkII Veterans so bad bros
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>>84528506
Why would you give your veterans shitty old suits from yesteryear instead of nice and fresh Mk IV?
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>>84528495
Well, they got tons of mk IV while they were preparing for the betrayal so yeah. I used to collect them and have 60/40 mk IV/mk III. Pretty worried about what I'll do with the new box as I want to get into painting again and get Argel Tal too. Maybe get some of the new 40k possesed and mix pieces? Idk yet
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>>84528511
Because it's *their* armour from the GC and it's the one they like obviously

"Why would Jimmy Page keep playing on a 50s Les Paul when he could have a gay 9 string Schecter?!"
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>>84528520
>Pretty worried about what I'll do with the new box
Sell the beakies and grab some of the reboxed Mk III/IV instead?
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>>84528429
>The presence of MkII stuff on all the tanks shows that they definitely have the CAD assets floating about at the very least.
Or they just decided to make mk2 guys the tank guys and will never made proper models.
Like they've had mk2 assets, torso, legs and everything since the new Argel Tal model, and they still haven't made mk2.
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>>84528529
Argel Tal is a FW model though
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>>84528539
Forge World is owned by GW like they do BL, you connect the dots.
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>>84528555
>you connect the dots
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>>84518350
>MKII BEST ARMOUR PLASTIC SET SOON
Atleast better than MKVI, suprised if within the next year
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>>84528528
Nah, I want the beakies but I want to use my old models too and they'll look like fucking dwarfs in comparison
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>>84528539
gw took control of what forgeworld sculpts like 2 or 3 years ago i don't remember
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>>84528596
It’s really not terribly more than the control they had before. There’s just more overlap and integration.
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>>84528577
Except they're really not that much taller outside of /TG/ violent sperg rages
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Are there any chinks/russians selling knock-off decals or something like that? Recasters seem to be a dime a dozen but finding cheap decals is a pain in the ass
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>>84528699
it depends on which beakie model sculpt you're comparing, if you use the ones with really wide stances like most in this pic, then they are about the same height as the old stuff.
But if you use the guy in the top right that's just walking forward, he is noticably taller.
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>>84528710
I don't get why would anyone want to use a pistol that's notoriously likely to blow on your face and kill you sooner or later
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>>84528721
Same reason they use phosphex, rad weapons etc, the killing power outweighs the danger to the user
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do you guys know of any 3rd party that sells cataphractii-compatible combi-x attachments and weapons?
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>>84519350
Weathering is blotchy due to fucking up the powder ratio
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>>84528841
https://popgoesthemonkey.com/collections/weapons/2-style_combi
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>>84528710
What are the scrolls suppossed to be?
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>>84528952
Scrolls
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>>84519350
When I get the new box I will - currently not a heresyfag but I've wanted to for a while.
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>>84528952
Oaths of moment
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>>84528952
Am I just blind or are there no scrolls in that pic...
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>>84528989
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>>84528952
Toilet paper, the shortages are really bad in the future.
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>>84528710
Why put aquilla details on a kit that is supporssd to be interchangeable between the traitors and the loyalist who also didn't use it yet?
I get that you can cut them off but seems kinda dumb
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>>84528721
grim darkness, far future etc

>>84528710
the proportions are different to some degree but what really throws these kind of comparisons out is perspective (and the lens used - your phone camera, which most home shots will be taken on, is never going to have the focal depth or angle of view of an SLR with a much physically longer lens)

take a shot with the same camera from a different position and the object looks different, basically: even in the same shot, models on different ends of the lineup will be subtly warped, the only way you can truly compare them since they're so small and these differences easily throw out comparisons is by setting up a fixed camera position and positioning the models precisely in front of it

however yes that one tall guy looks tall even compared to some of his own unit, even though he's only the proportions of the 2016 Deathwatch sculpts
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>>84529257
what's more interesting is that when you go back to the 2016 Mark III marines, the tall guy is taller than them, but another guy from his own unit is the same height

just not the same body proportions, the backpack tops out the same, the head and everything else are different
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>>84529274
but even then not that far out
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This looks like a contrast paint over silver. Does anyone know which it is?
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>>84529257
>>84529274
fuck I think I'm getting a migraine
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>>84525152
>I come from the land down under

>>84524225
>Mk II
These dudes are cool

>>84525323
Sweet, how did you paint the black/grey armour middle guy?

>>84528952
Food recepies

>>84529295
Akhelian green contrast
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Anyone know how the tortuga bay marines size up to the NU-CSM?
Any pics?
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>>84528841
Just recast one with bluestuff and milliput greenstuff.
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>>84529576
TBay bodies are a bit bigger and "bloated"
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>>84529567
>Akhelian green contrast

Looks brighter?
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>>84529636
No it's the same that pic is just on a brighter silver.

This one is a darker metal, or has been pre shaded or washed before >>84529295
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Out of the loop. What's up with Miniac being kicked from warhammer world?
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>>84529611
Cheers mate, very useful pic. Always bet on bloat.
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>>84529680
He leaked some pics a day before the event like a retard.
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>>84529679
Oooh yeah good shout. Thinking maybe a leadbelcher spray + all over nuln + akhelian green should do the job?
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>>84529611
Honestly that tortuga mk3 looks better than the beakie.
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>>84529567
Thank you!

If I remember the paints correctly, it was abbadon black, mechanicus standard grey, and administratum grey. Basically starting black and blending up to lighter and lighter grey, stopping just shy of administratum grey so I could then use it as an edge highlight.
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>>84529709
I'd try leadbelcher, 50/50 water nuln oil and then highlight or sponge on a brighter silver on the edges for highlights and then hit it with the akhelian green.

I think pure nuln oil will darken it too much. But just do a test model and see yourself.
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>>84529680
>Sign NDA to not post pics until 24h have passed
>Proceed to post photos of everything on social media
>Gets kicked out and terminated as a colaborator
>"Guys this is so unfair! My finger just slipped 70 times whiles I made multiple post across multiple platforms! GW should be kissing my ass bc I sometimes paint some of their minis!"
That's about it
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>>84529770
Nice, thanks! I'm trying to beef up my black painting, flat matt black looks very boring.
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>>84529701
Poor kid. It's not like GW doesn't leak their own shit accidentally like retards (final AoS books recently).
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>>84529772
>Gets kicked out and terminated as a colaborator
He doesn't even paint GW anymore and openly shits on the company in TUP. Sucks travelling so much and then getting kicked from the event, though. That's a rough one for sure, with all the diorama pieces that are on display there.
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>>84529780
You got it! I've also done similar with dark reaper up to fenrisian grey for a more blue tint that works quite nicely.
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>>84529727
I fucking love beakies, but I'm a bit soured on the new minis after looking closer to the details.

The panel lines, the backpack, the poses, the weapons, the stupid small cables in the sides of the legs... they look off to me. Like if they were a bootleg 3dprint or something.
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>>84529709
if you don't have an airbrush i'd recommend using tamiya clear green and then clear blue spray cans for super fast painting, that'll also work a lot better over vehicles than contrast will.
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>>84527715
> mechanicum waacfag ruins fun, full story at 11
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>>84529783
>do something very stupid and obviously against what you've been asked to do
>poor kid
Lmao miniac, you need to just accept you fucked up hard trying to get those sweet sweet likes and subscribe
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>>84527723
"I've fallen, and I can't get uuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaUuUuUuUP!"

"We're sending someone right over Mrs Fucker!"
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>>84527757
> no less than 5 AP2 large blasts
> against mostly marine infantry
Mechanicum WAACfag
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>>84529921
Looks to me like justice against Tsonsfaggot
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>>84527996
Tacticals aren't the only unit.
Veterans for example only pay 2 points for a Chainsword.
And then there's Heavy Chainblades, for +2S and Shred, but also two-handed, and which is also not worth it statistically for its price, but again: it allows people to be able to model what they want, and very slight differences in performance is within acceptable levels (I feel) given the mechanical limits of the system.

Pistols, per the playtest rulebook, are close combat weapons, the same as now. But is 'basic combat weapon'/'basic close combat weapon' distinct from 'close combat weapon'? Why would they reprint, and in a marine-specific book, it if it's covered by the main rulebook?

I definitely agree the rule could use a rewrite, whichever way is correct. And if they don't rewrite it, then it will need a FAQ.
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>>84528529
>still
He's been out less than a year, anon, that really isn't that long as these things go. The leaks for the current box set first appeared on the scene at the same time as he was previewed, fully designed, modeled, and painted a whole year ahead of release. You need to adjust your expectations of how speedily GW works and how long it takes them to bring kits to market.

>>84529611
You know that you're getting chunky when you look fatter than a plague marine. If the legs were a little skinnier, and he slimmed down that sausage trim and those meatball rivets, then they'd look a lot better.
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>>84529938
The Tbay mkIV-V bodies look much better. Their mkIII are just "cleaned up" plague marine bodies and it shows.
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>>84529937
It was playtest version 3 I almost guruantee its an artifact from the playtest document that will be edited out by release.
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>>84528596
When Sanguinius was released I remember reading on WarCom that the model was traditionally sculpted and a lot of FW characters still are
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>>84529973
It would be the kind of dumb, repeated rule design oversight that is the hallmark of all GW games
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So, one of the new Praetors, the one painted as SoH with a giant axe, has clear Librarian codicier markings in his cape and vanbraces, his gorget looks a lot like a psychic hood, and has two strings of decorative disks that kinda look like the ones wore by sorcerers or Tsons.

Why GW does this? It was mean to be a librarian consul and they chickened out of it because is not a praetor for marketing/game purposes?
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>>84530028
>So, one of the new Praetors, the one painted as SoH with a giant axe, has clear Librarian codicier markings in his cape and vanbraces, his gorget looks a lot like a psychic hood
What the fuck does this mean? I can agree on the disks because I can vaguely see it.
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>>84530059
Look at the tabards in pic related and compare it with the SoH cape and vanbraces.
Other 40k plastic librarians have those also sculpted (like the guy in the Kill Team Cassius box)
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>>84530091
Where are these markings on the praetor???
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>>84530002
>It would be the kind of dumb, repeated rule design oversight that is the hallmark of all GW games
Yeah, this would be my concern. It's just the kind of thing they'd leave in because which way you're supposed to interpret it seems obvious to the guys designing the game. Anons here zoned in on it quickly enough though, so we just have to hope that it got flagged up in playtesting and they've done something about it.
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>>84530124
The cape here >>84530028 and the vanbraces in pic related.
Note how both praetors share parts of the 40k librarian. I bet that was the starting point and they backed off for some reason.
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>>84530002
We already know they have changed 'core' rules vis the open day rules reference
> breaching just rending
> lascannons losing sunder
The playtest 3 was part of an ongoing edit process.
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>>84529611
It does look like they made them smaller than the chaos space marines doesnt it, probably to fit in better with the existing plastic mks.
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Okay, brothers. I'm narrowing down after weeks of indecision on trying to pick a legion (I avoided this by playing Mechanicum, you see). Group is going IF, EC, and a few are also undecided. However, based on this information and knowing how others are and their past armies/legions (we're all doing new stuff for the new edition to CONSOOM) we're going to have more loyalists than traitors. So I have thought the following.

>Iron Warriors
>i like their fluff and their flanderization towards preparedness, logistics, and their ideas towards the necessity of actions in warfare
>easy scheme to deal with, though similar to /my dudes/ in 40k (though an anon here said go hard on hazard stripes for the IW so that might be good)
>i like shooting and artillery
>can go from the crusade to the scouring with no change
>fluffy rivalry between at least two people so far
>the industrial look epitomizes 30k for me

>Death Guard
>nice scheme and easy to do
>fluff is pretty ok and I like their units
>They're basically br*tish so kind of yucky
>i actually don't want to do death guard

Ok, it's either Iron Warriors or a shooting World Eaters (my girlfriend randomly chose the number 12 when I asked her for one for HH when we saw the leaks), or i could just skip a legion again and just do a tank and artillery heavy Imperial Army, eventually.
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>>84530691
Dubs and you play a 500 model cult army
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>>84530722
Nice
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>>84530722
HELP ME GOD
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>>84529969
Oh no manlet bros its over
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>>84530722
Also, I literally. LITERALLY. Can't. That would kill me both financially, mentally, and would kill any sort of enjoyment I get from painting and building models. I am a slow painter, and I have been for 20 years. I've been able to speed up with some things and simply hide the crimes but 500 models would destroy me.
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>>84529805
Indeed, something is off. They could have just upscaled the old beakies but they had to tweak the design and I'm not a fan of change for the sake of change.
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>>84530801
Shouldn't have asked then, too late now
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>>84530691
www.wordpress.org
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>>84530691
Iron warriors.
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>>84530835
I wasn't expecting that.

>>84530839
I do write a lot, don't I? I blame brain dumps and Ritalin.

>>84530936
Ok.
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>>84529909
I'm in my 40s and have more empathy towards people than you, I guess. You'll grow into it as you age. Sure, he fucked up, and I get why GW have to stick to their guns. Otherwise nobody will respect NDAs. I hope Scott can play it cool and keep his dignity.
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>>84531222
Miniac is a giant FAS faggot who has shitty videos like all the hobby influencers on youtube and looks like a faggot zoomer. His voice is annoying and he is a faggot. His only redeeming feature is that I would blow a load in his wife.
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>>84531263
>FAS
I'm not down to TLAs my good man.
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>>84531222
he's already made a post bitching about the NDA and his reaction already made sure he's pissed away his dignity
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>>84531294
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
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>>84531263
Pics of wife?
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>>84531222
No he acted like a victim instead of owning his mistake which makes him a faggot.
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>>84531594
How picky do you really think some random anon in /hhg/ is?
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>>84529783
>Poor kid
He's a married man in his 30's
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>>84531594
>>84531617
IIRC his wife looks double his weight, with reddit glasses and fucked up teeth. Other anon just has appallingly low standards.
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>>84531617
Some of us can be very picky.
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>>84531880
>>84531594
>>84531603
Hey now, don't say I have low standards. I'm saying I'd dump a load in his wife because if I remember correctly she is a thin redhead with circular glasses an anon posted a picture of once modelling one of his, my God, shirts from his, and so on and so on, merchandise. She wasn't smiling so I couldn't see the teeth. If it even was her. He's a non-muscular stick so being double his lank is not an achievement.
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>>84531924
I'm assuming this is her after I googled "miniac wife" so yes, she's cute enough to dump cum in to.
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What's a Deathmaster?
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>>84531953
That just looks like Guy from MWM but as a woman.
I can't be the only one that sees that, right?
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>>84531953
She has a wider jaw than 80% for fa/tg/uys
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>>84531953
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>>84529810
No that anon, but I've been also considering starting AL force.
That's a really neat way to go about this scheme, anon. Will certainly try this, thanks.
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time for a new thread, guys
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>>84529709
If you don't have an airbrush I would seriously recommend getting one, by the way. No idea where you live but if you live in the US, go to Harbor Freight and get the quiet compressor and tank of your choice. $150 burger bucks. Get a moisture trap attachment. Next, order a double action airbrush of your choice from Amazon. Or go to Hobby Lobby or Michael's. You may have to get an adapter, but they are inexpensive (I would also recommend a quick connect). I have a Iwata Neo. It serves me well, cleans easily, and sprays out what I need it to. If you're not spraying terrible chemicals (metallics, varnish, etc) wear a respirator and then air out the room. No dogs allowed whilst you're doing it, for safety reasons. If you are spraying those, wear a mask and open the window. Or get a spray booth, or make one.

I really, really recommend an airbrush for HH stuff. Basecoats are easy for all the models, and it's not dependent on the weather. It's always humid in the spring, summer, and autumn where I am. So, I can only really prime with a rattlecan outside in the winter on a good day. Getting an airbrush means I can do it whenever and also apply the other things. Yes, it is an investment. You will not regret it.
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>>84531953
unironically looks like a man
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>>84531953
I have never seen a more kike looking person. Looks like she's walked straight off of a Nazi propaganda poster.
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>>84516066
I dug this guy out of my backlog today, I kind of just want to paint something without putting too much effort into it.
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>>84532211
Not that anon, but I'm interested in getting an airbrush yet because living in the shared house I'm worried about ruining walls and/or disturbing other roommates with noises. How loud is the compressor generally?
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>>84532517

>>84532517

>>84532517
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>>84531982
There's something really off about Midwinter minis, sure all the guys who become full time warhammer youtubers are kind of wierd but quitting your stable job to become a full time plastic soldier shill when your wife is pregnant with twins borders on domestic abuse
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>>84532748
it's not exactly glamorous but it's also not really a pittance considering patreon is only one of the income sources that comes from being a youtuber
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>>84529969
Unironically prefer the resin Mk IV to all other variants.



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