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Blood Bowl, Necromunda, Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game, Warcry, Epic, Warmaster, Underworlds, Aeronautica, Mordheim, Titanicus, Battlefleet Gothic, Man-o-War, Warhammer Quest, and any other GW system and boardgame are welcome.

There is currently a Kill Team General >>>/tg/ktg. Discussions for the Kill Team should go there.

>We are working on a mega archive with the rulebooks for the boxed and specialist games (don't share).
rebrand<dot>ly/gwsg
>Drop any missing files you might have here:
rebrand<dot>ly/gwsg-drop
>Current MESBG rules:
>you know what to put
/folder/yDBmCRRK#kI26Bcw-9vgxOnQICVbpsA
>Old links:
https://pastebin.com/dk8SFxht

Missing anything? Simply request.

>TQ
Tell us about your upcoming /gwsg/-related plans, whether that be painting up a new force, your next game day, planning out a new campaign, or something else entirely!
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>>84469524
>chorfs died for this
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>>84469689
>chorfs now have two direct reference units aos and are inevitable
Save your shekels
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>>84469923
>he thinks the "dark masters' who make hobgoblin equipment aren't just these hashut humans who stole literally everything from chorfs except trains(so far)
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What will the next Blood Bowl team be and when will it be? Wild speculations here.
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>>84469942
Oh those broken humans we send out to spread the good word of hashut and scout? Yeah don't worry about them.
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>>84470030
Nippon humans. Universal stab is their gimmick
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>>84470030
Amazons. Every face will look like a 60 year old grandma that just jammed her pinky toe on the side of a cabinet.
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>>84470230
And they will all have a massive case of Nigger Lip.
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>>84469689
that guy looks fucking cool though
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TQ

Build simple cardboard terrain for Necromunda from scraps. Test waters with niece by introducing her to Heroquest. If it works out, hunt out the old gangs. I'm sure she'll want to play Escher, but I have enough for us both to play.
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>>84470658
No, it's way too busy, and he's swinging a net around with a polearm in the other hand on the same side of his body? Yeah the four legged dude swinging three weapons around totally wants to trip up in a net all the time.
Then there is the helmet. is this dude supposed to be worshipping Nurgle or Hashut?
The body armor, is theis dude Slaaneshi or does he worship Hashut?
The lower body, look at that tail is this supposed to be a centaur or a leotaur mutant?
It's just a fucking hodgepodge mess of new-age aesthetic edge.
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>>84470879
>Then there is the helmet. is this dude supposed to be worshipping Nurgle or Hashut?
>The body armor, is theis dude Slaaneshi or does he worship Hashut?
Isn't this monster just a generic Chaos guy? I thought it was just the human cultists they revealed who were specifically Hashut worshippers.
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>>84470936
>Isn't this monster just a generic Chaos guy?
That sounds like GW staffers when asked about Chaos Dwarfs.
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>>84470936
>Isn't this monster just a generic Chaos guy?
Yes. It's just another bigger warcry monster like last time. The leaks show it fighting alongside Belakor'a legioners
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>>84469524
>TQ
Well, my main /gwsg/ project had been my Inq28/Necromunda converted Delaque, but those got co-opted into a /ktg/ project this weekend, and it seems getting a ktg campaign going will be easier than running 'Munda.

So now it is Squat Waiting Room. And I don't care that you hate them, they're really fucking stupid and I love it.
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>>84471115
>confuses /ktg/ for being the actual name of the game
This is why /ktg/ is a containment thread, illiterate paypig shill.
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>>84471140
Oh no, I accidentally added a g in the haste. You are right, I must be an intellectually inferior subhuman who is unable to understand the grandiose qualities of games with 20 year old mechanics. I see the light now and will become an hero, you are truly the height of gaming greatness.
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>>84471361
You sure put a lot of effort into that damage control.
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>>84471435
Nah, I work with writing bullshit all day, so that isn't any effort, and I get to make you feel better about your insecure self as you get to own me on an anonymous imageboard, so overall I see it as a net good.
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With a group of friend we had a blast with a WW2 naval wargame, and now i'm intrigued with Man o War and BFG, can someome redpill me on those?
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>>84471584
>Nah, I work with writing bullshit all day
GW shill confirmed!
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>>84471682
w/e makes you feel good, king.
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>>84471873
Responding to the thread spergs only gives them power.
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>>84470030
It has to be either KANGZ or Vampires, hoping its vamps and no doubt GW will add an extra positional maybe some sort of zombie butler with Guard
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>TQ
Currently painting my lothlorien elves, including an old sculpt Galadriel and a kit bashed Rumil made using a top knot from a 40k ork kit I had left over from when I was about 12, currently waiting on a new light flesh paint because the one I have is very old and uneven. Next will celeborn, haldir, wood elf sentinels (all of which are primed grey already) and guards of the court. I don’t know if I’ll get galadhrim commanders probably not. Also I’m going to make a coaching inn for scenery (which doesn’t fit that well with any armies I actually have but I like that old English country aesthetic which I grew up in), but I need to plan that out first.
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>>84469524
So how overpriced will the gossamid archers be for Warcry?
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>>84469524
>TQ
I'm working on my clan Mors inspired BB team. Just still haven't decided on a name yet. I've got stuff like Mors Marauders, Ravenous Red Guard and Eight Peak Pillager but I haven't found one I really like yet
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>>84472178
>flying, ranged
Slightly below Nighthaunt-tier because they won't also be paying for high toughness, but still unplayably bad.
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Which warcry warband had the coolest models?
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>>84472698
For me, it's the Iron Golems. The Unmade would be a close second.
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>>84469524
Waiting for Defense of the North to finally drop so I can plan a Dale and Dwarf force around their legendary legion because I've waited for this moment since playing the Erebor/Dale siege in BFME2 as a kid. In the meantime though, I'm waiting for the made to order so I can add a whole bunch of Khazad Guard to my old Dwarves.
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>>84471584
You write professionally? In your native language, I hope.
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>>84472698
Corvus Cabal (bird boys)
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>>84470030
I think it will be chaos dwarfs, but I hope for vampires. Vamps are the only team that seems like it genuinely doesn't work on the pitch, and the new vampire models gw is putting out are fucking great.

Fits well with their sticking to sprue = team thing they're doing recently. 3 vamps and 4 thralls on each sprue works well. They'd probably change one of the vamps to a special position - I wonder what they might introduce? Maybe only some vamps get hypnotic gaze?
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>>84472698
Unmade and corvus cabal
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>>84473536
>and the new vampire models gw is putting out are fucking great.
You got some pictures to go with this babble?
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>>84473555
Haha bit fucking strong there, anon, but sure.
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>>84473565
Oh, not for Blood Bowl.
I'm surprised, there is booba attached to a feminine face, wtf?
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>>84473565
She's going to cut all her hair off.
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>>84473565
this is such a great looking troupe
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>>84467323
I like to see people's minis, like to keep an eye on KT gossip as I slowly put together a Fallen Angels team and have a passing interest in LotR autism.
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Just saw that sukubus studios is putting a wood elf team, these wardancers look awesome and I think I might have to get them instead of my original plan of the greebo all-elf factions super team of 27ish models.
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Warmaster Chads...unite?
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>>84475207
more like warmaster bads
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>>84475207
BRISBANE
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>>84469524
Regarding Necromunda: have the vehicles rules (as in core rules, how to use new dice etc, not profiles) been leaked yet yet?
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>>84473401
GW updated the article, all the stuff in there is part of the range rotation and not just MTO. Good news for me, because I want most of the Moria stuff, but not all af once.
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>>84473536

now that they have opened the door for animal positionals i could see vamps getting something like a swarm of bats positional - cheap quick and good at disruption but obviously no hands
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>>84475207
soon
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>>84476302
what the fuck is wrong with this rat
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>>84475207
we only unite to play games.
if you want brothers in shitposting, you need to talk to the underworlds or necromunda crowd.
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Are the Easterling going to be limited? I can’t really tell from the article.
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>>84477437
None of the mesbg models from the preview will be limited. But the black dragons and probably the Emperor will be Forge World.
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>>84477253
He's got a little bomb sewn into him
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>>84477146
Yeah I could see that. I do hope that animal stuff remains a bit of an oddity, though.

I don't mind squigs on a goblin team and shit like that, but for some reason Norse getting pigs just seemed off to me. I can't really put my finger on why.
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>>84477529

Its Hewttism. Its a stupid fucking aura buff unit and I hate it
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>>84469524
Does anybody have the nomad rules from the box or a scan of the new book?
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>>84478167
Youtube video reviews have them. Bear in mind right now all you have is a stripped down list and consolidated list of skills:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADoIYKGYcjA

Cheapest price for one of your dudes with gear is 85 credits so they're gonna be a more elite gang. No real juves, just prospects with the dust riders who have regular ganger statlines (4+/4+) with an extra attack and the mount for 90 credits.
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>>84477874
Hewitt's good man. He had some good ideas and incorporated some great mechanics, it sucks that he left. Specialist games would be better if he were still around.
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>>84478552
Fuck right off, he injected dreadball into blood bowl.
You don't buy Gucci and then replace it with vinyl crap stitched together in a sweat shop.
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>>84473536
They could play around with the bloodlines. Having some absolute unit S5+, mb, tackle loner blood dragon for example, really pushing the animal savagery to the limit or some mv8 ag5 secret weapon, pro vamp or something like that that would really stretch the limits of acceptable starting statline vs negatraits. Both being 0-1 or 0-2 so you'd still have to play the regular vamps. Maybe keep the hypno exclusively to them so they'll remain as actually attractive and unique player choices.

>>84477874
Yeah I really hope they'll stick to the traits and skills in the book but they have now opened the door for team specific traits so they will be plastered everywhere now with more and more unique snowflake teams which then naturally leads to reworking the old teams to jkeep the new releases rolling. I hate the modern game design like that.
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>>84477253
He's Filled with Fervour for the Emperor and ready to become a Martyr for the cause
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>>84478834
Explain yourself, faggot.
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>>84478834
Yeah, never played dreadball so don't know what you mean here.

Also I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Gucci did.
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>>84479204
Splitting by bloodline would be neat! A Strigoi, Von carstein, and lahmian (the wizard nerds wouldnt play sports) on each sprue would make 0-2 of each, still coming out to 6 vamps. Lahmian s3 with dodge and hypno, Strigoi s5 with animal savagery and claws, Von carstein the 'normal' ones.
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Is wahapedia up to date for AoS? I know the 40k is verysuported there but dont know if the AoS rules are.
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>>84473536

A Varghulf big guy seems workable. S5, Regenerate, Frenzy.
Maybe they throw in a bat as a positional. Dodge, Pogo and VLL could be neat on top of a really shit statline.
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>>84477437
>>84477455
Oh goddamn it, I meant the easterling dice
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>>84480829
Yes, all of the mesbg dice have sold out in a month or a bit more so and not come back.
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ported iron golem into the new design. some considerable revamping took place, but not fundamental: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s6pqvMJjPWVYxco4t1dMOxSzdt1zRwYR?usp=sharing
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>>84480336
Wrong thread?
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>>84480275
FUMBBL secret league did it years ago.
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>>84480209
>passing is a stat but there are positionals with no passing stat
>team specific meme buff positionals
If you all like licking hewitt's asshole then fucking go play his game, this is Blood Bowl, Jervis's game, not hewitt's
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How would you build a starter list for GSC Escher?

It adds the following differences:
>40pts more the Queen
>include a cult icon for 40pts
>includes 1 95pts abberrant that counts against the leader/champion/juve limit
>25pts for psychic familiar
>+30pts to give juves a third arm that grants a fourth weapon slot, bonuses to attack rolls and when using unwieldly weapons.
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>>84482390
All of the choices have trade offs so its kinda interesting.
>Queen makes a decent psyker and you only pay the +40 if you want to make her one, but that is pushing up your leader costs
>Aberrant probably replaces a champ, meaning either the Aberrant stands in for your Death Maiden or you run Aberrant + Death Maiden and forgoe a shooting champ entirely
>...in which case, you may not have an opportunity to take advantage of the bonus group activation from the Cult Icon anyway
>psychic familiars are pretty busted and are often houseruled to 0-1, so you defnitely take this. But we're looking at close to 300 credits for a leader now.
>Extra arms are great but Juves kind of suck so again, kind of questionable if you want to spend this cash on them. As of House of Blades Escher Juves are gang fighters, so you might be able to squeeze in double champ + Aberrant somehow. And they do have a 4+ melee which makes the extra arm a little better.

I think it leans into a more melee Escher gang but paying for your GSC shit gets expensive quickly, so you're running with less people and they aren't really any more durable. Like a Juve is 20 credits... a Juve with an extra arm is 50... don't you just want 2 Juves?
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>>84482390
You'll definitely take the aberrant, give it a shock whip, a hazard suit, and a bit of lipstick and she'll be the prettiest mutant in the hive. Aberrants no longer count toward anything as the rules regarding gang composition have changed, you are just capped at having one. The Cult icon you might want to add later down in a campaign, maybe after game three or four if you have the cash and numbers to benefit from it, but you can't afford it at the start. You'll want to be a psyker and take the familiar, probably grab Mind control and gear to that 12"-9" range with a plasma pistol and some swords to parry chargers with later on.
The super juves are expensive, and you might not want to take one to begin with. But, from the wording of the hybrid juve rule they actually have the super extra arm of the cult alpha instead of the slightly worse extra arm of other genestealer cultists, so grabbing one to spray with three autopistols at BS 5+ might be fun.
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>>84482933
>You'll definitely take the aberrant, give it a shock whip
I would personally want to give the Aberrant a multi-damage weapon.
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>>84482961
Early on twin fighting knives are cheap and run surprisingly well on an abberrant.
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>>84482767
Here's something along the lines of where I would start. I've leaned more into toxins than I normally would starting Escher because it's cheaper: I'd much prefer that Matriarch to have a plasma gun but you have to make cuts somewhere.

>>84483005
That's fair, I'm just biased towards them swinging around something big. That's certainly (probably) more optimal than this one.

Also man I HATE starting Escher without any smoke or photon flash grenades.
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>>84482961
I just think having the extra three inches on the charge is something I can't pass up on to begin with, aberrants kill stuff well enough even unarmed with two attacks and S5. Getting three or even four at S6 at a much more feasible charge range really makes them much more threatening, for the same reason you want hazard suits, you don't want to give the enemy an easy way to shut you down.
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>>84480275
Or they could go full merchant and do 3-4 different vampire teams like with the chaos teams currently.
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>>84483055
I'm not 100% sure if you can even start an Aberrant with the shock whip or if you need to buy that later, but what you're saying makes sense.
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>>84483092
I'm not sure about the ruling on exactly what list the aberrant buys from either, but both the Escher and the Genestealer weapons lists have the shock whip so it's definitely available.
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>>84483101
Ah, OK. I missed it on the GSC one. The GSC-specific CC weapons are also super nice, but just way too pricey for a starting gang.
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I'm just hear to put out the Necromunda shit posts while everyone else is crying about a box that they don't have to pay for and the Girth of a Dwarf Helmet being to big too fit.
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>>84483131
The squats do look fucking hideous my man. Literally like they rendered them wrong when it came to the sculpting stage.
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>>84483049
This is a decent list to work from but I'd probably drop some of the frivolous things, the chem-synth you can get later, and the specialist probably doesn't need to start with a needle gun, get it once you have the cash and just have a back-up lasgun to start with. I'd also rather have the Aberrant naked then give him a -1 to hit. That'd net you around 80 creds and you could fit either an extra ganger or swap the matriarch's rifle to a plasma gun.
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>>84483146
And you just know two things 3rd parties are going to step up to fill that gap, and Forge World or GW will release a Weapons pack with decent heads or just a Resin Head pack so you can shell out to not have terrible heads.
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Okay so rough and shitty 1000pts for genestealer escher
>Queen with stilletto sword, Plasma Pistol, Mesh Armour, mind control and spring up
>Psychic Familiar
>Aberrant with hazard gear and 2 fighting knives, unstoppable
>Champion with stiletto sword, plasma pistol, mesh armour and spring up (later a icon)
>Champion with stiletto sword, shotgun, mesh armour and spring up
>Sister Specialist with needle rifle and mesh armour
>Sister with Lasgun
>Sister with Lasgun
Dead on 1000 credits.
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>>84483215
So this one's illegal I think, gotta have at least a 4:4 ratio of your special guys to your gangers. Unless the Aberrant just ignores that completely.
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>>84483215
Having all your girls with spring up is lame, and I'd probably just try to gear one champ toward longer range. For the leader at least, consider Parry instead as you don't really want to be charging in that much with mind control and a plasma pistol anyway.
>>84483299
Aberrant doesn't have either Gang hierarchy X or Gang Fighter X, so they no longer count toward either side.
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>>84483070
>VonCarstein Cheerleaders are dignified but sexy and a bit aristocratic with frills
>Lahmian Cheerleaders are Chippendale vampires
>Strigoi are unspeakable woman-beast horrors with slavering maws and intestine-pompoms
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>>84483146
Agreed
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Would this stuff be any good for warcry/aos terrain? I just want some cool generic fantasy stuff I can use in mesbg and aos, not sure about the scale though
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>>84481974
>meme positionals and passing stats
Those are both issues with BB20, Hewitt did BB16. He left gw before they started work on 20
>go play his game
You mean like titanicus and silver tower? Gorechosen? Betrayal at Calth? Those are all fucking great games. He wrote nucromunda in like a month and gw have unendingly fucked it up with their dlc shit and it's STILL more fun to play than the new kill team.

It seems to me that someone on the internet told you James Hewitt was responsible for everything you didn't like about modern GW, and you've been mindlessly parroting it back ever since. Sad!
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>>84482961
I gave one of mine a chainglaive: versatile and d2 was choice as fuck
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Forgive dogshit photo its 1am and no good lighting but this is the Genestealer Escher i put together today. Waiting on a rogue doc for my 2nd matriarch/icon bearer and an aberrant off ebay but these are my "Oprhans of Secundus".

Fluff wise my GSC 40k army are based on the hive secundus survivors that live in the ash wastes and these are an off shoot lead by the twins "Big Sister" and her aberrant twin "Big Brother", assuming shes only 'normal' so much as a gsc psyker can be because of escher shit interfering with the process. hey roam the wastes stealing and doing the odd mining job to survive as bandits.

Tried not to go overboard on GSC parts bar the leaders arm.
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>>84483313
You can truly take the measure of a man by how often he takes spring up on his Escher, or nerves of steel on his Goliath
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>>84485749
>He left gw before they started work on 20
So you think they magically wrote all the rules and released them the day after he left? You honestly think this wasn't his project and he waited for it to be release ready to move on?
>but nucromunda!
Then go play those games you think he got right, don't need his shitty ideas fucking up blood bowl.
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>>84485749
Hewitt's response when asked about his work on BB2016:
>So we just copied the Living Rulebook 6 but we changed the layout. After that we started introducing little changes, but it turns out mostly all we did was introduce errors and typos
Paraphrased from the interview as I'm not digging it up to copy and paste what I already know: Hewitt only fucks up Blood Bowl.
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>>84485912
Him saying that is a distinct mea culpa, don't you think? He left the rules alone as much as possible, and says publicly that they only messed things up by trying to change anything. Do you think that the guy saying that in an interview was the same guy who was like, "let's add a completely new stat to this unchanged-in-30-years statline"? Doesn't sound like it to me.
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>>84485995
He left the rules alone not for lack of desire to change them but time.
GW was demanding a release of Blood Bowl, doing this gave them those 4 years to come up with his rewrite to the rules.
Like I said, you think they came up with 2020 practically overnight just as he left? They didn't spend that 4 years just using ctrl+c on the LRB6 pdf with some photoshoop themes, it wouldn't take *me* that long to do the same and I'm a hack amateur with a dayjob.
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>>84485850
>"after that I did Titanicus, which got released later, and then Necromunda, which got released sooner. Then I left Games Workshop..."
Necromunda was his last game for GW anon.
>but necromunda!
I do play those games, and I play blood bowl too. They're not mutually exclusive.

Regardless of whether the rules you don't like come from particular chubby ginger or not, those are the rules in the latest version of the game. If you'd rather play the old rules then nobody's going to stop you dude.

>you do play games, right..?
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>>84486056
Didn't he leave in 2016? I think that someone else spent the 4 years making bb20. We're both just guessing though. He's quite active on the old Twitter, isn't he? Haha I think I'm just going to ask him
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>>84486096
This ages old crap, just ignore that the marketing and tournaments being 2020 makes all new players go "Huh?" and then I have to fucking teach them how to play every goddamned time, which makes the local leagues all switch for convenience so they can try to draw in new blood.
That's entirely WHY they release the new shitty rules, they're women. They saw Blood Bowl being played for over a decade without their meddling, being refined into a proper game and everyone was having fun without GW, so they had to come in and fuck shit up and focus the attention on them.
You can't just "play the old rules", you need to get lucky and find a group.
And yes, surprise of all surprises in the tabletop and nerd world, I'm not social! they ruined my resource: the lgs where I can just walk in and play a game. Same fucking thing wizards did with MtG (although to be fair what they've done is worse).
I can play FUMBBL, I can play BB2, but my minis? that's gotten very difficult.
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>>84486146
I was pretty sure he left in 2020 and was hired on just around 2016 but I'll look again.
His linked in says he left GW in 2017? but there's a 2018 AMA of his on reddit where he is /current/ head of gwsg (or at least that's how he is advertising himself in it), so?
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>>84486212
Well shit anon, if you're right then you're right. I'll take a knee
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>>84486263
I am uncertain of the 2020 number, post 2016 is for sure though, but in this new age of the internet I find it increasingly difficult to get information.
Used to be I could use keywords and quotation marks to choose what webpage would be the first result of a search, now I feel lucky if I can find a wiki that is remotely related and half filled out.
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>>84486300
Ya Google's gone steadily downhill. I actually just bit the bullet, made a Twitter account and asked him. I'll come back with what he says if/when he replies.
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>>84486161
>rambling diatribe; half anger, half self-pity
>gatekept hard
>can't make his own league
>manages to cram in a complaint about women
>only plays online where his opponent cannot see or hear him
Sure champ, it's the new rules that are the problem.
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>>84486212
>His linked in says he left GW in 2017? but there's a 2018 AMA of his on reddit where he is /current/ head of gwsg
probably means he's working for forgeworld
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I just got back from the NAF Championship in Nottingham, UK. In the fluff, it is THE Blood Bowl. Chaos Cup is in Chicago, and I attended that too.

Because Covid stuff is finally dying down I'm going ham, and I'm going to try to hit as many tournaments around the world as I can this year, and then Spain next year for the World Cup.

Blood Bowl is literally the best community of people and the most fun tournaments of any game. It's consistently such a good time.
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>>84486711
Nah, says he's in some entirely unrelated company after that.
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>>84486719
That's cool as shit anon, I'm envious! Which team did you take?
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>>84486681
Yes it is because I was doing my thing just fine for many years until some assclowns in an office decided they needed to ruin that for more money.
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>>84486753

I tried Khorne for the first time and went 2-2-2, which is fine. I got to get drunk and hang with friends and meet a ton of new people.

I'd never been to the UK before, so running around and visiting castles was really cool, too.

I have plans to go to a tourney in Colorado next month, then one in Canada, then Chaos Cup in Chicago in the fall.

If anyone has a tournament in or near the US coming up, let me know!
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>>84486161
Didn’t read.
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I want to start Middle-Earth but I know very little beyond just the very basics of how most armies work. Can someone give me a good explanation on Minas Tirith and Easterlings and how I would go about building say 800 points? A lot of information I find online is outdated or gives the annoyingly vague answer of 'it's all good just take what you like!' Alternatively a link to a website with decent advice would be much appreciated.
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>>84486970
I'm going to start trying to time my trips abroad with tournaments in the destination country, that sounds cool.

If we throw one over here in Japan you've got to come!
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>>84487435

I am 100% down to go to Japan and get a BB game in. Do they run any tournaments there?

I know there's some 40k in Japan, but I haven't heard of any Blood Bowl.
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>>84487516
There are a couple of tournaments, mostly thrown by local leagues. Nothing big.

BB in general does have a scene here, but it would all be on the Japanese web. Giant hobby in Tokyo runs a pretty big one, and a store in Osaka just restarted their first post-covid league. Mostly it's just little gaming groups starting their own leagues though.
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>>84487411
1d4chan has tactics pages for the factions, although probably still somewhat outdated. Can't speak for Easterlings, but Gondor is essentially cheap and defensive troops that have shieldwall with your heroes doing the heavy lifting when it comes to killing power. Boromir fully kitted out and Hurin are gonna be the top picks for your go-to heroes. It's hard to tell you the exact optimal breakdown of how many of each unit choice to take since that can vary so much, so if you're trying to be more competitive you can look into tournament lists and go from there. In general though, guards of the fountain court with shields are your elite troops, warriors of minas tirith for the bulk of your army, and rangers for your archers and/or supporting with spears.
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>>84487411
Easterlings are going to get significant upgrades next week with the new expansion. No point in discussing them.
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I regularly mix in the Ruins of Osgiliath stuff my store has with the WC starter terrain and it works fine. There is a scale difference but it's no enough to matter, dudes will still fit under and on top of it just fine. I imagine it will be the same with that new set of ruins as well.

On a semi-related note, did they discontinue the Osgiliath ruins? They're not listed on the web store in my country at all anymore.
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>>84469942
Their warscroll literally and directly mentions that their paymasters are duardin/dwarfs
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>>84487411
>minas tirith
box or two of warriors, box of rangers, box of knights. decide which heroes you want and finish out from there. I'd go to ebay before GW tho and get warriors on the cheap cheap

easterlings are tough to say but you'll want the new rutabi character for sure and either amdur or the dragon emp based on his new rules. regardless, you'll want a box of kataphrakts, at least two boxes of warriors, probably 2 boxes of the new dragon knights when they come out, and if you can find one a time machine to go back to the MTO of easterlings from february where the pike ratio made sense
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What's the quickest way to learn Newcromunda? Which book do I read first, and are there good video tutorials that don't waste a bunch of time?
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I hate gotcha mechanics, can I just ignore the tactics cards in necromunda without making the gameplay suffer?
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>>84488637
>necromunda
>gameplay
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>>84488550
The rulebook, thats all you need to learn how to play. Miniatur Game Montage has a good two-part video on how to play thats relatively simple.
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>>84488637
Yes, they are purely optional.
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>>84488637
Yeah, we did a couple of campaigns without them.

I wrote some campaign rules trying to make using them less of a headache, they could work better with some TLC
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>>84488645
ebin

>>84488663
thanks, that's a huge relief
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Anyone have a picture of the stats of the orlock vehicle? Thinking of picking up a box, but I don’t even know if they’re actually any good or their weapon options
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>>84488637
You can, but they can also be fun if houseruled. Goonhammer has a good fix for making them work better (and a list of them all too).
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I am kind of in favour of tactics cards because they let you do cool, characterful stuff for a gang that it's difficult to incorporate into base rules. Like 'Darkness Descends' or 'Let It Burn'.

If you had given me two choices for Nucromunda at launch where one was increased focus on tactics cards and activating gang-themed abilities with meta-resources, and one was all the weird hi-tech they've put in like energy shields and hoverboards and Delaque are actually xenos-descended psykers with power claw guys and an alien octopus... I would have chosen the former pretty quickly.

Although honestly now that they have updated all the gangs and everyone is extremely weird I mind the powerscaling in Nucromunda a bit less. I just wish gangs didn't get good gear so quick.
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>>84487411
I think the main takeaway with both is that you have high defense troops with relatively low killing power, which you then need to supplement with something: For both factions that means big heroes like Boromir, Elessar, or Khamul on Fellbeast. For troops Minas Tirith gets knights with +1 to wound on charge, while Easterlings can stack pikes to get extra chances to wound.
Generally I'd also say that you should build towards 600 points first, because that often gives you a good base to work from and gives your list clear goals for you to learn the game with, while 800 starts to have a lot of moving parts, attempts to counter the opponent's possible meta choices.
Finally, while you might think that a lot of the information you find online is outdated, Minas Tirith has not had major changes to its rules since this edition started, with the biggest new addition being Hurin. Most of the info you find from the last four years will still be applicable even if five new books have come out in that period.
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>>84486300
Hi, me again. So he says he had nothing to do with BB20:
https://twitter.com/James_M_Hewitt/status/1524631923754156032

I feel bad for the other anon who was sperging out before. Who will he blame for his woes now? I'm going to help him out. Sadanon, roll a d6:
>1: Hillary Clinton
>2: Peers in junior high
>3: Communism
>4: Matt Ward
>5: 5G
>6: Parents
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>>84485823
My Aberrant showed up. By male escher standards hes probably better off as a mutant then a formless cum bag in a fish tank.
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test model for moria.

What do you guys think of the red cloth? I'd considered some other colors too but wasn't sure
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Wonder how hard would it be to do the Red Terror or a Sister of Battle in Necromunda.
First one could be some ambot and genestealers mix but the second one?
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>>84490999
Escher Genestealer Hybrid gang rise up!
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>>84491586
>gi's a hug
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>>84491390
Nice job on the skin, I wouldn't change anything.
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>>84491586
Perfectly normal, well adjusted Ladies from the Secundus Region..

-also can escher genestealers take a rogue doc? a GSC chemist seems a perfect fit for escher genestealers.
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>>84489912
Pretty much- thankfully your spoiler can be resolved easily, provided your players are amenable to the houseruling- they should be, given it's not something particularly major like outright dropping or coming up with a brand new rule or somesuch.
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>>84492056
also my demogirl specialist, r8, h8, db8.
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>>84491390
Looks awesome, I wouldn't do them all red though. Some goblins with purple cloth and brown cloth would look really good.
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A little more middle-earth leaks
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>>84492263
Probably Orophin? Not that many named Lothlorien character left and they need someone to captain with Haldir dead in movie canon.
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>>84492263
absolutely kino
>haldir shoots
>rumil shields
>orophin double swords
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>only one mono-hook on the whole Nomads sprue
pain
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>>84492056
They can, but if you care about using Escher chems at all you really want an Apprentice Clan-Chemyst which is maybe a more appropriate hanger-on for that.
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>>84490999
>>84492056
>>84492102
You did a nice job anon, well done.
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>>84492102
Fantastic work on all 3
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>>84492840
Are gsc-corrupted house gangs automatically outlaws? If so they can't take house hangers-on. I found that out the hard way, but sweet talked my arbitrator into letting me keep her (I built a model for her and everything)
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>>84492263
Were there other leaks?
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>>84492263
That's nice. I'm happy to see new elf models.

But I'm super disappointed that there's apparently no elven LL. I was hoping for Lorien and Mirkwood force as they both play a big role in the narrative campaign.

But no, apparently giving Dale a solo Legion is more important.

Feels kinda sad to be an elf player
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>>84493411
>there's apparently no elven LL
source?
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>>84493513
Leaks. (No link or anything, just read it on fb) But maybe they're wrong.
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>>84493411
I'd rather see elf specific supplements and have the LL's in those.
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>>84493536
I'm really interested to see if there's any Moria content to go along with the range rotation, but it doesn't really seem like it
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>>84493123
They become automatic outlaws but if memory serves unlike chaos cults a genestealer cult can worm their way into losing outlaw status what with being the infiltration specialists.
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>>84493616
Apparently the evil LLs are Dol guldur, Easternlings and spiders.

So, no. Probably the same case as elves
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>>84493123
Oh that sucks, it's so great thematically. At least your arbitrator OK'd it.
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>>84488550
Whoever sculpted this model was a genius.
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>>84493588
I don't think they care for the elven factions that much. This was an opportunity to have "Siege of Dol Guldur" LL for Mirkwood and Lorien and they didn't take it. I really don't think we're getting anything in the foreseeable future.

Maaaaaybe a Last Alliance LL
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>>84493754
>"Siege of Dol Guldur" LL for Mirkwood and Lorien
That didn't happen until war of the ring was over. and it wasn't so much a siege as Galadriel walking up to it and obliterating it off the face of the map
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>>84493831
I know, but it'd be a way to include both factions.
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I wish they got the Perry's back for the LotR range.
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Took some better pics of my epic guard stuff
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>>84494114
Why? They lost their skills years ago, their historical stuff is utter trash
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84494141
Not even going to give ((you))
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>>84494141
OUT!

They're still among the greatest sculptors in the world.
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>>84494182
Stop fellating them so hard. Their newest stuff is garbage
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>>84494125
>>84494174
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Is Black Run Boneshakers a cringe name for a shambling undead team?
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>>84494349
If your BB team name isn't cringe, what's even the point?
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>>84490475
I dont blame the guy for sperging out, normies and woke bullshit are invading gamer space and what the fuck is an autist to do when even the smallest niche is being fucked over for the almighty profit? They dont even put a decent effort into it either, they just hire artists to dress up garbage so it /looks/ good enough to sell.
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>>84494125
>>84494174
>>84494227
Nice stuff m8
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>>84494499
Fair point.
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>>84494530
>what the fuck is an autist to do when even the smallest niche is being fucked over for the almighty profit
Ignore new releases and play old stuff in the proud traditions of grogs long passed
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When can we expect new Nucromunda Squats to be released?
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>>84494530
What good is your autism if you haven't written your own edition with the rules just right?
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>>84494886
Okay, tell that to the sperg from yesterday, he was explaining how that's not "just" an option, I know he isn't alone in that.
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When you build a melee fighter for Necromunda, what's the reasoning behind two melee weapons? I figure it's always worth going weapon/pistol just for the off-chance you get to make shots where you can't reach. Actual melee tends to be super deadly with any half-decent weapon anyway.
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>>84494658
thanks bud
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Defence of the North leaks. Since theres only one image per post you just get shitty greentexts instead. Or you can go to facebook for actual images.

>Orophin: 85 points elf captain, 3 might, 3 attacks D6 only has heroic strength. Every 6 rolled to win the fight lets him make an extra strike unless his opponent is trapped.
>Dain: now counts for Du Bekar (army bonus was reworded)
>Thorin Stonehelm: 10 pts cheaper (now 110)
>Windlance: 75 points, strength 10, accurate
>Grimbeorn: Same as has dad but is F7 as a bear and has a bow as a man
>Beorning: 20 points M 6" F5/4+ S4 D4 A2 W2 C5 burly, hand and a half axe OR great bow, treat bears as banners (so beorn and son when transformed)
>Rhunish Drake: 20 points M 6" F4/6+ S4 D5 A2 W2 C4, terror, venom, anyone wounded permanently gets -1A and -1F (this cant stack)
>Dragon emperor: 170 points (has to be taken on palanquin because judaism) stats are pictured, helmet gives him magic resistance.
>Palinquin: cant be prone, is a mount but gives no cav bonuses, can make strikes equal to wounds (not duel rolls), move 6" reduced to 3" if only 2 wounds left, cant move if on last wound, 12" banner, 6" +1F bubble
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>>84495363
It's cool as fuck.
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Could this be added to the OP.
We have been forced out.
『Adeptus Titanicus』
>Rules and supplements
mega<dot>nz<slash>folder/Csgk2ZTR#3vRK4eXP5ovbyM_TSL0tWA
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

Thank you kind /gwsg/.
AT posters are fine anons, unlike Lill Team posters. We don't want no trouble.
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>>84495502
Post cute little mechs and we'll consider it.
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>>84495502
How have you been "forced out"? I have no problem talking about AT in this thread, game fucking rocks.
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>>84495484
Shit is there a pic of the Rhunish Drake? Sounds cool
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>>84495484
>more power creep
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>>84495484
Beornings look pretty fucking strong.
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>>84495555
Forced out from /hhg/.
>>84495520
Please sir my /wip/s and their sons have nowhere else to go....
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>>84495588
D4 is shit, but I guess if you win every fight and never face shooting...
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>>84495605
How did they force you out?
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>>84495571
Nothing there's striking as particularly strong
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>>84495605
>Forced out from /hhg/
Huh, when? I'm browsing /hhg/ and I see no Titanicus hate there.
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>>84494921
Next quarter probably
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>>84495631
>>84495650
Struck our heading from the OP that's how.
Plus, frankly, /hhg/ is a shithole. Specialist games is a much more chill crowd.
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>>84495588
Not particularly. They are 20pts a piece and Defense 4.
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>>84495645
The Emperor is pretty good at 170pts.
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>>84495484
6 legions, no elves because fuck you.
>Dale: no Girion, Brand must be leader. normal bonus + sworn protector
>Erebor & Dale: no dead characters, Bombur, ballistas, windlances or chariots. Must take a dwarf and human heroe. All new heroes are 3" banners, if a king is trapped the other can free combat to help them same for new princes. If a dwarf and human are both within 1" they can re-roll 1s to wound.
>beornings: Beorn son and beornings, nothing else. Bears get 5+ fury and monstrous charge, dont need to roll to transform. All models have magic resist, Beorn can stand fast
>easterlings: no amdur or khamul must take emp. All heroes can re-roll a die to win duels. Black dragon upgrade is free in emp and dragon knights warbands, and normal army bonus
>Orcs and beasts: Razgush, orcs (including cap, shamans, drummer & tasks) + wargs, riders, trackers, bats, spider and queen. All models hate elves and woodland creature. Razgush +1F against elves.
>orcs & goblins: Muzgur, ashrak, drauzhag, orc & goblin warriors, caps, shamans + prowlers, trackers, wargs, chieftains, riders, marauders & bats. Must take muzgur and a named goblin. ALL shamans get tier increased and can re-roll ALL cast dice. Orcs & goblins get +1 to wound when outnumbering in fights, ashrak can upgrade any spiders not just his own. and also this wank bonus:
>The legion adds the clash by moonlight rule to every game (12" max vision and +1 wound shooting)

>>84495556
no model (yet) sorry
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>>84495896
No elven legion, instead we get an unnecessary Dale legion. A whole orc legion gets bonus against elves, they play a huge part in the narrative, but fuck you, elf players.

Im very dissapointed by this. Fucking GW hacks. Like, if you are going to take a massive shit on elf players, at least replace the legion that should, by all rights, have been there with a Legion that isnt lazy and pointless
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Dale chads stay winning
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>>84496012
not just should have been there. They said it would have been there
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>>84496172
Did they? Where?

>>84496147
I have nothing against Dale. They are cool models and all, but did that really need to be an LL? It doesnt do much
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>>84496235
Back at the event when Muzgur and Razgush were reveal they said there were 14 profiles 6 legions, one for each orc heroe and one with celeborn and thranduil
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>>84495484
>170 points on dragon emp
jfc that's insane
too bad orophin looks bad but holy hell northbros we're fucking winning
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>>84491390
Looks neat, anon!
Are you planning on having your models levitate on game day, or is that just for picture taking purposes?
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>>84496312
Ah, I was just assuming it'd be there because it makes sense. Wonder if they just scrapped it last minute.

>>84496314
Yeah, he's insanely good for 170. I expeceted at least 200.

Orophin should be easy to convert, it's just a galadhrim with two swords
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>>84496235
>did that really need to be an LL?
that's what's silly to me, the new models for dale already make it an incredibly healthy and well-rounded force. lothlorien and mirkwood are already doing fine and I'm incredibly excited for the new legions, but the mono-dale one does come off as unnecessary when some actual rules support for combined elves could exist
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>>84496350
>convert
no i like the model a lot (aside from obvious 3d sculpting thing on the edge of the chainmail)
i mean that his profile is pretty worthless, there's really no reason to ever take him over haldir, rumil, or a generic captain. ONLY strength on an infantry guy in armies with 3~ heroes required to do some heavy lifting is pretty weak

everything else looks amazing though playing beorn legion of gigachads sounds amazing
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If they had to do a Dale only Legion why not Girions garrison. Fearless even makes sense for them since they died fighting Smaug.
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>>84496372
Yeah, it'd be so much fun to have a combined Lothlorien and Mirkwood force as LL.

I own a lot of elves (Like 3500pts for War of the ring, so like 200 of them) and my problem with Lorien is that as of now, it's just worse Rivendell.

>>84496393
Oh, I misunderstood. Yeah, he's worse than Haldir and Rumil, but he's okay. I'd still take him.

And I agree, Beornings look fun
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>>84496409
I've always thought there should be some kind of LL with the original Bard rebuilding Dale and you can take mixed Dale and Laketown.
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>>dragon emperor (170)
>12 black dragons with shield and pike (108)
>5 black dragon kataphrakts (70)
>1 black dragon kataphrakt with war drum (29)

>>rutabi (110)
>4 easterling warriors with shield (32)
>9 easterling warriors with shield and pike (81)
jfc, 600 points with the new legion gives you 31 D6 warriors (including 6 cavalry and over half of it F4) and two insane F6 heroes rerolling a duel dice
building that up to 7/800 will be even crazier easterling bros finally win one


comes at a cost I guess though, amdur's set to reenact the toy story scene of woody getting dumped in the trash
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>>84495650
>>84495835
It was done somewhat preemptively to not have AT drowned in the shit that is coming with HH2.0.
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>>84496811
Yeah, it's borderline overpowered. Though honestly, I'd still play against this before playing against Goblin-Town or Azog's Hunters
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>>84495896
What the Easterling army bonus?
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>>84497515
+1 courage when broken and can re-roll to stop the game ending once
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>>84497035
>drowned in the shit that is coming with HH2.0
????
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looks like a new rumil as well as >>84492263 orophin
>over twenty years later, and they still can't beat perry chainmail
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Painted up a tzaangor + smaller horrors to turn some of my unused tzeentch stuff into a Warcry warband.

Not as happy with the older paint jobs like the screamers, but it makes a nice lil painting progression showcase from about 4 years ago to now.
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>>84497925
What is the point in a new Rumil model that is in the same pose as the old one. At least Denethor got a cool pose based on the film and Grishnakh got a better pose. I get that they are jewish and want to force people to buy 2 models but just put his arm in a different position for fucks sake. Or better yet do a new generic captain model that wouldnt be redundant.

Orophin is nice though.
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>>84497727
Why not just give them plus 1 courage all the time. I mean courage has its biggest effect when armies are broken anyway...
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>>84497869
> anti beaky
> pro beaky
> this is a retcon
> no it was always that way
> no it wasn't
> I'm new what's the meta lists?
It's shit
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>>84499319
matters for terror which is fairly common. Also a few other random rules like blades of the dead
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>>84494921
They'll be out right after Aaul Ptreides and Nndoril Ierovar
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>>84499742
What's this and how is it related to Dune?
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>>84500114
Necromunda ash waste dudes are a lot of bastardization of Fremen(Dune) and Ashlanders.(Morrowind).
Don't get me wrong, it's true enough to the roots of the entire Warhammer franchise, just one of those things that sometimes needs pointed out to the youngbeards.
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>>84500183
If I was young how would I recognize a ripoff of paul atreides? I'm just unfamiliar with necromunda.
Now that you point it out I'm seeing the Neravarine too, damn they are unoriginal.
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>>84500279
>If I was young how would I recognize a ripoff of paul atreides?
There was a Dune movie just last year, and quite popular too for a while, despite things like messing up Kynes and subsequently how Chani relates to Paul in the next part, so it's not unfair to say it's a slim part of the collective consciousness at the moment.
I preferred and still do prefer Lynch's Dune, so much more spectacular despite less spectacle and that much of the story sacrificed to make the whole book into onefilm
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>>84500418
Didn't know there was a recent movie. I'm not going to watch it, I've seen enough of my childhood butchered.
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>>84500499
For what it's worth they did a very good job on the overall sense of scale "we could stay on the bridge of our frigate and still never know if there was a Harkonnen ship in the same Liner" kind of stuff and tha Arabic motifs conveyed very well as well as a few other more subtle points (ie actually giving Gurney his scar). It is worth a pirating if you've a few hours, but not a purchase.
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>>84500567
>pirate it
Thanks for reminding me I got 8 episodes of Halo sitting on my phone waiting to go over to my pc!
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>>84500583
Anon…
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>>84501687
Yeah don't even get me started, I finished episode 1 and then deleted the folder.
Fucking red vs blue is better at respecting the canon than that steaming shit.
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>>84500418
The Lynch film was better not on its own merit, but because it gave us the Westwood game adaptations.
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bros what team colors should my ogre bloodbowl team sport, I'm trying to avoid blue, purple, or orange so they contrast further from my other two teams
also is the ogre team expansion on forge world worth the money? I think the female ogres look great but I'm still not sure it justifies the 55 dollar tag
pic unrelated
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>>84495502
ehh, I don't think we need all that. The rules and lists only
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>>84502594
Gold&light gray.
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>>84498715
>What is the point in a new Rumil model that is in the same pose as the old one
Because you basically can’t buy the old Rumil model anymore and I think there idea is that enough people won’t have him that they might as well keep the same. I’m ambivalent anyway and probably won’t get them even though I’ve been building a lothlorien army recently because I already kitbashed a Rumil model using a normal galadhrim swords with his helmet slightly filed down and a spare Ork top knot slightly trimmed to become his crest
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>>84497925
Gonna be very weirded out of they leave out Haldir desu.
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>>84502928
What do you mean?
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Has anyone else based their BB team on square bases? I'm highly considering trying it; easier to mark as prone or stunned, fits the square zone better, will sit together nicely in my boxes. I guess it's not as aesthetically pleasing though. If you have, do you have any pictures?
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>>84488550
>this is a 10 in Nottingham
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>>84502740
>because you cant buy Rumil
so start selling him again? There isnt actually any reason to not do that and have whoever made the model make something different. This game doesnt get that many new models. We dont need a remake of the same pose of some Z list character
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>>84492102
and the last parts arrived to make my final matriarch/cult icon bearer "Mad Molly". Nothing lures in the new converts like some thicc gut.
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>>84504995
and the whole gang, pretty happy with these tried to get a good balance and not overly make them too one or the other in tone.
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>>84504995
Built for mating press behind a dusty old mining digger after shift.
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so it's finally up (for pre order) and I'm fine with the existence of a heavy version of a warhound titan, but those arms are just shit.
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>>84505060
Honestly excellent job anon, I'm surprised by how well the Escher parts work with GSC. What GSC kits did you order/have lying around?
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>>84494921
aug
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>>84505643
straight up just a few spare metamorph arms, maybe neomorph for the shotgun and a spare head from the demogirl.

But a neat little touch was replacing the escher belt bit of grenades and house dagger with the gsc upgrade sprues version of a dagger with a tyranid cog emblem hanging from it.

The total for the gang was
>Escher box
>Rogue doc
>Aberrant off ebay
>Familiar off ebay
>icon from bits box
>arms from bits box
>spare head from female genestealer kit
>2 arms and a head from escher upgrade kits

If you already own any escher or gsc its a very simple, cheap conversion.
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>>84505641
>decoraded shields
>checkered horse cloth
>flag
damn, that's legitimately impressive
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>>84505641
Fucking hell man, just when I thought my Warmaster painted elves look a little bit better than average I find stuff like this
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Can we get F5 morannon lines with the emperor? Its gonna be disgusting. Budget WK bringing a bunch of morannons and a few warg riders and dragon emperor bringing black dragon pikes and a kataphract drum for example.
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Can any BB Slann coaches please help a newbie? I am entering a one day event in a couple of months and wanted to bring something new, but I am struggling to finalise a roster. Some of the issues I am having are:
- Are 3 Catchers sufficient, or should I be running 4 at all times?
- Do I need a bench? Those Catchers seem very vulnerable
- How essential is the Kroxigor? I am finding it hard to get everything I want without cutting him.

Tourney rules are 1150k, a skill choice of either 8P or 5P/2S, and minimal inducements.
Currently I'm thinking of:
5 Linemen
3 Catchers (2 with Blodge)
2 Blitzers (Wrestle&Strip, Guard)
Kroxigor (Guard)
5 TRR

Alternatively I can drop the Krox for another Lineman and Catcher, or drop a Blitzer and TRR for 2 Linos and a 4th Catcher.
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>>84505708
the fight bonus is only for easterling warriors. The banner is universal
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>>84505060
Great work there anon, truly
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>>84505705
That's always the way. I do a decent job on something and I think, 'thats good and cool'. Then I see the same thing but alot better.
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>>84505708
>>84505748
Yeah but you have black dragons supporting morannons => F5 morannon line.
But what I forgot was that drums are keyword limited so cant get much use out of the kataphract.
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Fuck, I just noticed that Dale lost their archery bonus in the mixed legion.
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>>84506602
not that big a deal, the shooting at that point is to suck people in rather than deal proper damage on its own. by itself you do kinda need the shooting to give you a leg up going into melee, but the erebor+dale legion is already gonna be fuckoff strong in combat

especially as it doesn't seem like there's a "men/dwarves have to be led by same race heroes" you can easily take 1/3 spear+bow dale, 1/3 IH warriors with shield, and do whatever the fuck you want with the last third
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>>84504623
It’s probably a balance of laziness while technically being able to charge more money more easily
>>84504995
TUMMA
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>>84506943
Fellow Tumby enjoyer.
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green stuff dried and girls are primed.

but boy is gsc escher a tough paint scheme to settle on.
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>>84505370
>$55 for one warhound sized titan
pfft
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>make dale legion a strict upgrade to regular army to make sure regular list (and girion) are never seen again
>make new elf hero but give no heroics to be virtually unplayable
>make legion for razgush orcs but give them hyper limited options and no special abilities to be taken over generic allies
>fix easterlings overpriced problem but tie it to an LL so khamul and amdur are never seen again
>highlight legendary legions for being thematic ways of capturing the books but make half the legions OC donutsteel characters while ignoring elves
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well its 230am, the tournament is at 10am, its 90 minutes drive away and im the driver. but my team is painted now and thats all that matters
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>>84508128
Yeah, it's a super disappointing book. Didn't actually add much of value and pretty much wasted its potential.
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>>84508128
>I must power game or i can't get myself off
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>>84508485
He's right that they kinda wasted the LL's thematic potential. Like that Dale legion is mostly pointless and elven LL is really missing.

Also, the re-sculpted Rumil is a waste. They should've made a new character for Mirkwood instead
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>>84508583
I disagree. And who else is left do you have in mind?
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>>84508666
Make up an OC. They do it all the time. It's just that Mirkwood doesn't really have a lot of characters compared to the other elven factions.
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>>84508128
>ignoring elves
Dare I say based?
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I've never worked with 3D printed stuff before. How do I go about preparing the Warmaster stuff that's just turned up? I was thinking a soap bath and some gentle work with a fine sanding stick
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>>84509449

What did you get? If it's printed then it should be fine straight out of the box. 3d prints have no release agent and any decent printer will wash and cure them prior to shipping.
Do they still have supports attached? They should have been removed as well, but will come off easier in some hot water.
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>>84508446
I wouldn't go anywhere near that far I just think some of it was going
>"oh people want us to address [X]? Let's do it in the most odd and roundabout way possible"
when they had pretty straightforward answers. The majority of DotN is absolutely fantastic and the scale of it is incredible- only held back because they drip fed over nearly two years to the point people forget and stop caring

>>84508485
sad some things missed the mark =/= powergaming
like with orophin, it's now powergaming to look at the profile, see he's lacking a fundamental element of a profile, and note that he's going to be set aside in virtually every case for his brothers or just a generic captain. The sole reason I'd consider him is combined with galadriel (as lack of strike on F6 is made up with immobilizes) but as galadriel is already fairly niche and hasn't been supported with an LL, it's not a really solid option.

A lot of things are tricky so I respect the effort that goes into threading the needle, but when they ignore the defense of lorien, battle under the trees, and siege of dol guldur to throw dale and orcs another legion, it makes me scratch my head
I can respect saying the critique of razgush legion as gamey, but my issue is less with the power of the legion and more they haven't given any cool rules/abilities to make a distinct force identity which is the entire point of an LL.
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>>84510007
Supports are still there, I was planning to remove them with a scalpel. I'll give them a wash to be on the safe side
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I like the Ash Waste Nomads from Necromunda
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>>84510454
I don't like their back banners. Otherwise they look kinda cool. Shame I already made mine out of Delaque and AdMech parts.
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>>84510454
I, too, like the Ash Waste Nomads for Necromunda. I picked up a box and I'll probably throw together a starting gang worth of dudes after I finish up my current Warcry project.
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>>84510476
Yeah they all have banners. Should be only at least 1 and 2 to have banners imo.

>>84510529
That sounds swell man
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>>84510409
Another thing that could've made Orophin different and more intereting would have been if he either did something similar to Gildorion where he would've made the wood elf profiles better, or if he would've been the mounted brother, with Haldir being Galadhrim infantry and Rumil being galadhrim court guard, and given lorien a proper mounted hero profile. F6 3A cav with no strike or shield would've been fine with me.
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>>84510845
Totally. Wood elves need some love in Lorien. It's funny that they are actually better in Rivendell that's not a wood elf faction. In general, my problem with Lorien is that they don't really do anything that Rivendell doesn't do better. They can't even ally in the White Council Galadriel. That's why I was hoping for LL

Orophin is a wasted opportunity for an interesting hero. Really, the elves look like an afterthought in this book.

>>84510409
The one thing I'm curious about in the book are the narrative scenarios
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>>84510454
They look cool. I wish they were a little more "ethereal" looking like their concept art, but I'm still pleased with them regardless.

On another note, after reading the fluff of the AW rulebook, I really think Scavvies have a good chance of being the next AW gang.
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>>84511520
>>84510845
I think they had the option to do *anything* but went with the most generic option possible (bro 1 shoots, bro 2 shields, bro 3 swords!) but then realized making him too much of a dedicated 3A/strike guy would (for shitters) invalidate the other two. so they bitch out and remove strike, but that in turn destroys the whole purpose of a profile like that

no strike on rumil makes sense cause he's F6, forces a die reroll, and still has defense. this makes a really fantastic combination where most every hero is forced to strike, still risks losing even on a 6 with the reroll, and even if they do win they now just bounce off.
haldir makes sense as kinda THE definitive D6/2A/W2 3/1/1 fighty hero with no super amazing stats but a nice balance of F6, strike, and a 3+ expert elven bow.
I think wood elf would be weird since it either goes into haldir's territory of shooting or makes him an unarmored fighter which is just another 'haha fuck you' kick to wood elves. cav would've been a really simple way to make him a similar profile but with distinct abilities (they're all good F6/2A fighters, just one also shoots, one shields, one rides) but I think a mid-level mage would be the neatest option
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Just got new Block Dice from comixininos, really excited for these with their proper sharp corners for better roll randomization, it really bothers me that all other block dice I've ever seen have rounded corners and by extension a bias in the results.
Also I'm totally in love with how the defender pushed face looks like it comes out of a playbook.
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>>84512630
Also got these sweet injury dice, the rounded corners on the d6 bother me but fingers crossed it biases Badly Hurt instead of Dead!
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>>84512621
>85 points
>M6 F6(5?) S4 D6 2A 2W C6 3(2?)/4/1
>heroic channeling and defence or strike
>2+ call winds, 3+ immobilize, maybe one from renew/terrifying aura/enchanted blades on 4s
actually woulda been pretty cool, like gildor but not worthless
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>>84510454
The models are a little less interchangeable than I was hoping for but I also like them.
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>>84473565
I see a really good Soul Reaver conversion in there... From Before getting his wings ripped off, thrown in a lake of acid and resurrected by an old god parasite
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>>84513746
Funny I was thinking the one in the front had some good potential to be Kain, the best vampire of all time, the armor is a bit fancy but the face is right for the original game, before the soul reaver game got shoe-horned in to the IP (it was originally a different game and they changed the format and lore of Blood Omen to center around it)
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>>84513823
The development history of those games somehow is as fascinating as the actual lore
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>>84513880
I must admit that I do like what the games became after the shifter IP got forcibly merged with it (adding the soul realm and the hylden and more) but the story of Kain never got finished in my mind and he is stuck at the end of Blood Omen, it sounds like you've probably read the same stuff I have though.
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>>84512630
Those are pretty cool. How badly do rounded corners affect bias?
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>>84513906
Rounded corners are a result of tumbling the dice and are incredibly uneven, every single round corner die is biased in it's rolls and each is unique.
Even these are still "round corner" though, just a LOT better than the standard for blocking dice, I still want a set made the same way casino dice are made, but that'd be rather expensive and definitely a custom job.
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Anyone got a link to a pdf for the new ash waste rulebook and documents?
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Last year I converted a bunch of aos goblins for a night goblin blood bowl team.
Looking to do the same for a slaanesh team (chosen), any suggestions for models for a lineup?
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>>84505714
I'm not a slann expert but anyways:
-You are a av8+ team so you will take a lot of removals. Plan accordingly.
-Krox is one of the best big guys in the game but on the other hand slann can do just fine without it. Similar situation like with the ratogre in skaven.
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>>84512704
I like Gildor. I find him and his band of objective runners pretty useful.
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Finished an airvent for Necromunda.May be used as a blender.
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Tell me about space hulk. Is it on par with the current games, or should It be cannibalized of dudes and then cast aside?
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>>84515932
You can like him all you want but he isnt good.
Rivendell has a crippling lack of Might already. There's little room for a 1M hero aside from Cirdan.
If Gildor had 2M he'd be a consideration for bringing in Heroic March.
The noldorin exiles are completely irredeemable garbage. Absurdly expensive D3 models. Hard, hard pass. If you're dead set on making Noldorin Exiles useful you'd take 1-2 with bows and pray there's objectives with cover where you can sit on and maybe generate some value (doubtful).

Only decent list with Gildor I can come up with is at 500p take Elendil and use Gildor to bring a frontline of elves with sword&shield + 1 knight. You can get a decent 21 models with the classic F5S4D6 last alliance battleline, and Elendil just goes apeshit.
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>>84516022

Forest Dragon are decent sculpts and are extremely well-designed from a printing perspective, but there are a lot of women in places that they shouldn't be. They are especially prominent in unit commands and characters, and you can't avoid them without creating your own strips.
Its not a problem for the HE/WE/DE ranges, and obviously not for Lizards and Vampires. But it is really obvious among the Chaos and Bretonnia models.
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>Want to get most of the Moria MTO models to finish off my collection
>They're resin casts
Well fuck I was hoping they'd all be metal regardless of what they were previously. Especially the Dragon since it was cast in metal as well
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>>84516508
not to defend this, but it's really extremely *not* noticeable. I can only assume anons complaining spend more time looking at renders than at actual minis on the tabletop, because they seem to have completely forgotten that these are 10mm. if you didn't point it out and hold the mini right up to someone's eyeball they'd never notice.
you also really don't need to reprint whole strips, because he also supplies everything as supported singles. particularly with cavalry, those are often far easier to work with than strips anyway. so just don't use those couple models. fortunately if it really bugs you there are a couple other sculptors that also do decent brets.
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>>84505370
>>84507676
ah yes, the iconic overpriced FW model that's just a lazy conversion you could probably do better yourself with existing plastic kits. classic.
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is there anywhere online where i can order bloodbowl dice with custom team logos and materials?
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I'm going to bed, someone else be ready to bake the next thread.
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>>84516970
On the plus side, it is not MTO so you can delay and think about it. I also noticed some rando things went 'temp out of stock' and others came back into stock.
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>>84505714
You need a bench absolutely in tournaments. Minimum of 1 and that is pushing it. Playing at just 11 is very hard, especially with a team who isn't good at fighting like slann.
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>>84517114
get back in the fight
>>84518184
>>84518184
>>84518184
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>>84516244
>disgusting subhuman touching an OG Space Hulk box
Fuck you for posting this. If that is you, you should kill yourself at your earliest convenience.
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>>84518197
That's the second edition Space Hulk box. I'm afraid we are going to have to ask for your grog card back.
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>>84518361
Didn't say 1st edition, I said OG, numpty.
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>>84518401
1st edition would be the OG.
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>>84518409
you should still kill yourself
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>>84518422
Your entire lineage should be erased from time.
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>>84518434
That's your problem, you live in a fantasy world.
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>>84516970
I was debating getting a few of these, thanks for helping me decide not to



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