Quality Food EditionPrevious thread: >>82979359A thread for discussing the 'Star Wars' franchise and its various gaming adaptations.Fantasy Flight Games’ X-Wing, Armada, and Legion>https://pastebin.com/9puqx1zeStar Wars Roleplaying Games (d6/d20/FFG)>https://pastebin.com/iUriRfaAOther FFG Star Wars tabletop (Imperial Assault, Destiny and the LCG)>http://pastebin.com/ZE4gn0yNOld links>https://pastebin.com/yUVx32wBLatest FFG news:>https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2021/3/25/an-armored-advance/>https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2021/3/24/patrolling-the-skies/>https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2021/3/19/skystrike-academy-squadron-pack/>https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2021/2/4/op-announcement-from-atomic-mass-games/Latest Edge news:>https://edge-studio.net/star-wars-edge/TQ: What's your favorite fighter and why?
>>82994118>TQThe Dunelizard. Because I love the various scum and villainy factions, and it's got peak "WWII in space" vibes.
>>82994118>What's your favorite fighter and why?It's a toss up between the Bellubab and the Cloakshape for me.
So what was his deal?
>>82994118This stupid thing.
>>82994118The T-65 X-Wing. Best girl since 1977 and she ain't stopping any time soon.
>never catch me on the spinward Kessel run
>>82994209Imperial politician, former planetary minister or other bureaucrat who has maintained his loyalties to Gideon.
I'd like to homebrew a Star Wars wargame for fighting larger ground engagements than Legion - probably at the battalion to brigade level.What mini scale do you think makes the most sense? To me 6-15mm is probably the right size to not have an overly crowded table, even if Star Wars battles sometimes have a Napoleonic feel.
>>82994209>At the market I ate a piece of a grilled monkey—it looked like a naked child
>>82994118Claiming my figherfu.
Do people still blame actors for the writing of the show?
>>82994211I love this, and I know there're more pics out there, but I can't find them. Have this joke picture I made the other day.
>>82994209>old enough that he'd have been born just after the end of the "high Republic" era when galactic civilization is still at its peak>begins his career shortly before the Battle of Naboo, probably some low-level Republic functionary>spends the prime of his life watching the Republic slowly crumble into a devastating civil war>Empire is formed as he's reaching middle age>as he grow old, he's sees the Empire bring back an echo of the order and glory of the world he'd known as a child>just when things seemed like they were finally getting better, Palpy is killed and it all goes to shit againI'd say someone in his generation and social position had good reason to be a true believer in the Imperial cause.
>>82994211>>82994334Go deeper, the peak performance TIE awaits
>>82994322People who can't do research and/or the average clickbait monger just sees top billing after a google search. >>82994334Kek. That's a cute one.
The destroyer that put /tg/ on suicide watch
>>82994430Sienar always provides for you solar powered war machines.
>>82994322Yes. They shouldn't; they should blame the losers that become screenwriters, but they don't SEE the writers.
>>82994445That's not the Xyton or the Mandator IV
>>82994322Yes. I'm not surprised there are people who think Temuera Morrison has any influence on the show instead of just being an old fat boomer being paid to reprise a role and read a script.
>>82994322Robert Rodriguez deserves most of the blame. And Jon Favreau. His scripts suck.
>>82994496How many episodes is he directing?
>>82994552He's probably directing the finale.FIloni is directing E06, one more is directed by Bryce Dallas Howard, and one more by someone else.
>>82994453The Mandator IV didn't cause suicides. It just hospitalized a bunch of anons after their sides exploded from laughter.
>>82994476To be fair, Patrick Stuart's creative input on Picard seems to have resulted in a lot of the aspects of that show that people dislike.
>>82994445Nah, that thing was easy enough to handwave away as noncanon and built on bullshit anime logic.The Xyston probably caused some suicides, or at least deaths because of hemorrhages.
>>82994592One episode is being directed by Kevin Tancharoen, who did the Glee 3D movie.>one more is directed by Bryce Dallas HowardIt's so weird how she went from being the chick in Spider-Man 3 and Jurassic World to being a Star Wars director.
>>82994602I do think actors can have an influence, but I highly doubt Temuera is exerting any form of creative input behind the scenes. If he is, I would be shocked. Although that said, it does seem like the character of Boba Fett is being bent to fit around Temuera (literally).
>>82994592Calling it now, the Filoni episode is going to be where most of the cameos will be
>>82994602It's been like that since Star Trek First Contact with Action Picard.
>>82994629Anything Temuera is adding is probably anything vaguely maori, even then it might be hard to say it's him since Mando's and the Fetts have had some vague maori stuff for a while now.
>>82994648I could see it, but as you said, that's just been a motif for some time now anyway. It's most likely little things in general for the show, here and there.
>>82994615She's Ron Howard's daughter. George had been wanting Ron to come in to direct a Star Wars movie since he was working on the prequels. It was only a matter of time before both got into the Star Wars production system.
Were dewbacks really the best method the stormtroopers could get for getting across the dune sea?
>>82994743Much like horses, they're cheap vs a car. Especially in a backwater like Tatooine
>>82994743I have some weird memory of stormtroopers finding that droid gear in a pile of shit. Maybe my memory confuses Jurassic Park and this one.
>>82994743I'm still convinced that all of the special edition changes after 1997 were made out of spite by George
>>82994804He was just testing out technology before the prequels.
>>82994775There's vast junkyards filled with functional speeder parts where even literal slave children can build racing speeders on Tattoine. Even moisture farmers have speeders from which they shoot whomp rats with. No. Giant lizards are not the cheapest mode of transportation.
>>82994915Then prove it with the price lists
>>82994804Most of the changes are things people don't notice- like cleaning up some effects work. Really I think only a couple of things really stand out as being weird inclusions- such as the more infamous stuff like Greedo shooting first.
>>82994804>>82994977do you dipshits even know about the ex-wife edits?
>>82995014Yes, yes Maria Lucas was the true director of A New Hope
>>82980390The pirate chick was about the best character in the show, which isn't a high bar. Also pretty sure a few anons wanted to fuck the pink ball droid.
>>82994804the MPAA decided han shooting greedo was endorsing violence so they upped the ratingit's still artless fraudery to edit the film instead of taking the PG-13 but it's a different kind of artless fraudery than a CG jizz performance
Avenger or Defender?
>>8299428215mm maybe? That way you can easily convert Flames of War stuff for extra Space WWII flavor.
>>82995102Avenger for some reason has a retardedly high price tag of 400k credits thanks to Far Orbit Project, so I'm gonna have to roll with the Defender.
>>82994915>functional speeder partsYou forgot to account for the fuel costs.>>82995102Raptor.
>>82995102Defender has more solar panels thus it better.
>Your generic TIE grunt is just plain suicidal. And the TIE Defender jockey is bloodthirsty. But the TIE Interceptor pilot, he's suicidal and bloodthirsty. When you see a squad of those maniacs flying your way, you'd better hope your hyperdrive is operational. ―Kyle KatarnWhat are TIE pilots like while not on duty?
>>82994915In parts of France and Belgium, they use horse carts to pick up garbage because it's cheaper than a truck. It's not ridiculous that the empire might use riding animals on the frontier
>>82995041>George Lucas:..."If you really look at it, there's hardly any changes at all. The thing that really caused the trouble on Star Wars is the whole question of whether Han Solo or Greedo shoots first. The way it got cobbled together at the time, it came off as [Han] fired first. He didn't fire first.>EW: So you consider this a correction?>George Lucas: It's a correction. [When I made Star Wars] I said, 'Well, I don't have that shot, so I'll just, you know, fudge it editorially.' In my mind [Greedo]shot first or at the same time. We like to think of [Han Solo] as a murderer because that's hip- I don't think that's a good thing for people. I mean, I don't see how you could redeem somebody who kills people in cold blood.">"It was always meant that Greedo fired first. In the original film you don't get that too well. But in terms of Han's character, I didn't like the fact that when he was introduced the first thing he did is just gun somebody down in cold blood. That wasn't what was meant to be there."— George Lucas, ABC News, 1999>"It was always meant that Greedo fired first. In the original film, you don't get that very well. Some people thought we should leave that ambiguous, but I didn't like the idea that practically the first thing Han Solo does is gun someone down in cold blood."— George Lucas, Star Wars Archives Episodes 1-3, 1999-2005
>>82994915They're the most reliable, because as anyone who's been to the middle east could probably tell you, sand exists to destroy any machinery with moving parts.
>>82995041>>82995207>George Lucas: Episodes IV, V, and VI are nice movies, where the good guys win. For the Han/Greedo scene in the cantina, the idea was originally that Greedo fires first, then Han shoots him. The tradition of gun fighting is the good guy always shoots second. When I edited the scene in 1977 you couldn't tell who did what.>Paul Duncan: To me it looked as though Han just shoots Greedo.>George Lucas: I never designed Han to be a ruthless killer. All the good guys shoot people in self-defense. So I decided we needed to insert a shot where Greedo fires first, so Han can shoot him.>Paul Duncan: Han's reaction time to Greedo's shot is fantastic — less than a quarter of a second according to storyboard PC1. But there was a tremendous backlash about that — people were upset you changed it.>George Lucas: Those people wanted Han Solo to be a murderer. The whole point to the movie is to establish certain moral parameters. Everything in a movie teaches something. If you have kids, you know how they are — they wake up, look around, and copy how other people act. Everything we are is defined by the way we conduct ourselves, the way we talk, the way we think about other people. So if you have a lot of self-centered, selfish people who ignore the rules and do whatever they want for their own reasons, you have a society that does that too.
>>82995180Drunk and fingering their blaster pistol while pondering whether today is the day they'd rather bite a bolt or not.
>>82995180There are three main kinds of TIE pilots: those who act like Bond villains, those who act like Gundam villains (especially Char), and those who die horribly.
>>82994940>Joben T-85 Speeder Bike 2 2 5 1,500cr 4 Novs>Dewback 2 5 18 6,500cr 3 Domesticated, Sand Walker, Bites
>>82995180Han was one, and you see how he acts.
>>82995207>>82995220>guy pointing a gun at you, telling you he's gonna kill you>it's not self defence until after he has fired and missed, otherwise it's murderBased George, I hope he applies the same condiitions on any and all bodyguards he hires.
>>82995207>>82995220Of all the hills to die on, why is George so adamant that "Greedo shot first"?
>>82995102If I have to pick, it'll be the Defender. Why can't I just have an Interceptor tho?
>>82995159Defender is aesthetic
>>82995277Because that's the right thing to do.Star Wars is for children, and Lucas is responsible for what his works teach them.
>>82995277Because he's old man and they tend to be stubborn in their opinions. Especially about things they've made and done themselves.Also he already made his money and doesn't give a fuck about other people's approval.
>>82995180The impression from memes and canon both is that, with extremely and I mean extremely few exceptions, they are either suicidal or psychopathic.
>>82995299>Star Wars is for childrenWhy did he make TPM about a trade war then?
>>82995336Because children are smarter than manchildren, as proven by their not getting angry about adult things happening in their movies, whereas manchildren get angry about childish things happening in their movies
>>82995336There's nothing difficult about that. Trade Federation is described as greedy in the opening crawl, they are big ugly aliens with red eyes, and they work for Satan, and they oppress people and cut down forests. Children get that they are evil, and that's all that matters to convey a children's story that is Star Wars.
>>82995267I've never watched Gundam; why is this batch floating in the background while the guy screams?
>>82995139Based and suicide button pilled
>>82995420she's psychic and nuts, he's psychic and an autist
>>82994118after getting back into star wars a little while ago one small epiphany i had is that the baseline tie figther may of been the empires way of trying to replicate the vulture droid doctrine that made the separatists so successful in the clone wars but with human pilots
>>82995207The gun is literally in his face George, that's not cold blood, it;s self defense.
>>82995299>Star Wars is for children, and Lucas is responsible for what his works teach them.But teaching kids to shoot first once threatened saves lives.
>>82995854In the Star Wars comic book that detailed Wedge's life as a TIE "pilot" and eventual defection, TIE fighter "pilots" are effectively just there to provide ballast. They push the activate autopilot button at the start of the flight and press "attack pattern #" buttons during combat while the onboard computer does everything. They're droid ships in all but name.
>>82994476He needs to go over to their house and make the cunts some fucking eggs>>82995102Neither, but in a pinch I appreciate the whack as fuck defender for having crazy amounts of solar panels
>>82995901Well that's the thing, no one gives a shit who shot first and all that really matters is who walks away after.Plus being a Rodian just means someone was going to shoot him eventually, only surprise there was it wasn't another Rodian or done sooner on the way to the bar.
>>82995989Why shoot a man if he’s thrown out of a plane?
Neat. Didn't know these existed. "You are Luke Skywalker's best friend, how will you choose your path in during the Galactic Civil War?" I haven't read/played one of these in decades. Maybe it'll fill that hole in my soul for a Star Wars cRPG where I play the part of a Smuggler with my own ship. Hell, I'd even take a Mass Effect but Star Wars game.
>>82996015She prides herself on her aim and takes every opportunity to show off.
>>82995989OZ are the anti-CIA. They actually take the time to shoot a man after throwing him out of plane. Real professionalism.
>>82996035But she’s not a big guy
>>82996027I played through this very book when I was 9. I got the ending where you kill Darth Vader by shooting at him the same time Han does
Holy crap. They weren't kidding when they wrote that the book puts you into the movies. The beginning is exactly A New Hope, except Luke has a "buddy" aka You. Tempted to pick choices solely on if they take me further away from the Canon plotline. But I'm guessing that if I don't hop into the Millenium Falcon I'll either die in a ditch or die of old age as a moisture farmer.
>>82996177I guess it's going by Glove of Darth Vader rather than I, Jedi logic.Cause the nigga's got two hands.
>>82996287>Ben said it's my turn to be the Jedi
Wish we could get an HBO style Star Wars show(yes of course with nudity)
>>82996523I think HBO was one of the networks that Underworld was shopped to but then they steered clear because George didn't want the network to own the full rights to the show.
>>82996514I've died 3 times trying to fight fate. Can't run from the Tusken Raiders, can't visit home or you'll stay OR get captured by the empire.
>>82996523I would be willing to watch any Star Wars show that wasn't under Disney's direction other than the most minimal supervision. Never going to happen because lmao Disney WILL own all rights and own ALL studios, but one can dream of a Star Wars show that doesn't try overly hard to be kid-friendly or isn't constrained by the rigid direction of the same old directors/writers with the exact same vision of every show they work on.
>>82996523>>82996637I thought Star Wars was meant for the children?
Rule of Two is a pedo.
>>82995220>>82995207>Those people wanted Han Solo to be a murderer.Jesus Christ, this is the type of people who think you should send social workers to a domestic abuse 911 call because cops kill people
>>82995207>I mean, I don't see how you could redeem somebody who kills people in cold blood>makes Return of the Jedi
>>82995305>No psychopathic Interceptor pilot gf
>>82995207>Guy has a gun trained on you, bragging about how he's going to drag you off to have your testicles smashed in a portable trash compactor or whatever it is Jabba does to amuse himself>not self-defenseSo why was it ok for Han to blast away at Vader? He wasn't even doing anything except be seated for a lovely dinner.
>>82995102What do droids even do in starfighters?There's only so much they can repair, is it some sort of dynamic optimizing?
>>82997693Droids tend to be astromechs, calculating FTL jumps, maneuvers in combat/dangerous situations, etc.
Would the Principality of Zeon be a 'Friend of the Empire'?
>>82997700She has a number for a name and he has a girls name.
>>82997700Newtypes. It's always fucking Newtypes.
>>82997723KAMILLE IS A PERFECTLY GOOD MANS NAME!
>>82995305Not thick enough.
>>82995336Because kids are cruel, Jack.
>>82995929Then was the shooting of the school bus something a pilot did or something the TIE-fighters droid brain did?
>>82995901And taking high ground.Don't forget about how sometimes one must take up a blaster, no matter how uncivilized it is, as well.
>>82997817Not that anon but that's Biggs not Wedge.
>>82997840Ok, sorry.I guess I mixed up the comics in my head.
>>82997723Ah. That clears it up.>Gundam: She is brown, he's a ginger with an afro and a scrabble bag of vowel sounds for a name.>8th MS: She's space princess, he's an old-type, her brother is creepier than usual, and IT'S GOUFY TIME SHIRO. >0080: She's a red-headed test pilot, he's a hamburger.>Thunderbolt: My test pilot has no legs, how's his taste in music? Terrible!>Stardust Memories: She was definitely a triple agent, he doesn't like carrots. Also, let's drop a colony on Kansas. Who would even notice?>ZZ: Girl has a number in her name, but now there are two of them. Boy is named after a martial art.>CCA: There were girls in this?>Unicorn: She's named after a man eating plant, he's an autistic banana.>F91: Girl had red hair, boy had blue, and the studio's said "best we can do is a 2 hour OVA">Crossbones: TOBIA. MOTHERFUCKING. ARRONAX.>Victory: She's brown and he's 12 and, uh, Tomino? Are you okay? >Turn-A: She's a princess, but he looks better in a dress.
>>82997850>IT'S GOUFY TIME SHIRO.Yeah.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKqs1JLDbp4
>>82997850>>Victory: She's brown and he's 12 and, uh, Tomino? Are you okay?Lucas ghost wrote that one
>>82997916That Anakin smirk in the TPM finale was hilarious.
>>82996605>Can't run from the Tusken Raiders,Good. That means they can't run from me either
So does Hutt physiology make them immune to Force mind tricks or did Jabba just have iron will on his own?
>>82998130They're just fat.
>>82998130Jabba just has that iron will.
>>82998130The Kingpin always holds the trump cards.
>>82998179He is also ostracized B E C A U S E O F H I S W E I G H T.
>>82998220>When I was a boy...
>>82998220https://youtu.be/U4yPnfo1_3EJust don't be in a wheelchair and make droids either
>>82998130All hutts in KOTOR are immune to mind tricks, which once again is the example of>ALL trandoshans are bounty hunters, because the only one we saw in the movie was a bounty hunter
>>82998276Let's not forget their Bass Pro shop points religion all about hunting
>>82998276>All of Coruscant is 50's Americana because Dexter Jettster's diner exists.
>>82998276Still not as ridiculous as >All Biths are musicians because we saw a band of them playing in the cantina bar
Ah yes the Famed Bith Musician Darth Tenebrous
>>82998276>All huttsI used to think Jabba the Hutt was named as such because he was a majordomo who happened to be a Hutt, kinda like typical mobsters named Ivan the Russian, Juan the Mexican or O'Raghallaigh the Irish
>>82998452A man whose techno-violin was said to be powered by the power of the dark side.Here is a crude attempt to mimic his music with force assisted techno-violin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl9FTlKK1e0
>>82998333>>82998452All tremble before Wat Tambor
>>82998627Wat Tambor turning out to be a extremly religious guy who had vision of Mustafaar and STILL choose to go there was kinda nuts.
>>82995290>Why can't I just have an Interceptor tho?I think this guy might be in the 181st.
>>82994118Tell me /tg/ what do you hate most about Disney Star Wars, ignoring the Sequel Trilogy, specifically.
>>82998877If we ignore the Sequel Trilogy? Probably Solo. That movie was so unnecessary it was offensive.They could have made a fun adventure of a smuggler in the Empire era, instead of "Here's how Han Solo..." for every single detail about Han Solo.
>>82998877Aphra, everything about Aphra, everything else in new canon pales before her awfulness. She is a cringy reddit SJW edgelord deviantart mary sue donut steel OC that continually defies the universe's rules to remain alive, and almost, ALMOST (but not quite) makes me prefer the presence of the Yuuzhan Vong and Karen Traviss' writing career in the Star Wars setting by virtue of how profoundly she makes my blood boil. Nothing else in new canon is as bad as her, nothing, not even the sequels.
>>82998877Either the Aftermath Trilogy or Solo. The former is a dumb take on the Post Endor period complete with Mr Bones and Sad Clown Jar Jar. Solo is underwhelming and felt like an excuse to use the Solo notes from Underworld.
>>82996674It was, but now those children are in their 50s. Hell, even the people who grew up watching the prequels are in their 20s and 30s now. They should have embraced the fact that most of the Star Wars fanbase are adults now, and cater to adult tastes instead of trying to put in loads of stuff that the Boomers in the studio think will appeal to kids. More "Rogue One," less Boba Fett's quirky scooter gang. Besides, thanks to the internet, kids these days are already immersed in violence and sexual content. Even the kids don't like "stuff for kids" anymore.
>>82998877Is 3d Clone Wars a nice watch?It just seems questionable, like it doesn't fit in with the atmosphere of trilogies, games and EU material.
>>82998978>More "Rogue One,"Well they are making a literal Rogue One show
>>82999012I forgot they were still making that
>>82998877The way Disney runs Star Wars isn't really that much different from how the franchise was handled in the 2000s which I dislike, the only main difference is that multiple shows/movies are being made now.
How accurate blaster fire on average in comparison to real firearms?
>>82999050Depend who is using the weapon, who they are shooting at and what the plot demand.
>>82999028What's interesting is that the first season is a whopping 12 episodes and they're using practical sets instead of volume technology so the budget must be insane.
>>82999049No offense honestly intended but you are retarded if you compare pre-Lucas era Star Wars was handled compared to Disney.
>>82999063I meant it in a more technological sense.
>>82999012I'm cautiously optimistic, but given the direction they've been going with Boba's character, I'm afraid they'll end up watering down Cassian to make him an unambiguously good protagonist rather than the morally questionable sorta-terrorist he was in the movie.
>>82999049I can't see it. I'm a millennial boomer and there definitely feels like a marketed difference between how things operated before and after Disney acquired the brand and IP from George Lucas. You can put down the fact that the Mouse is obsessed at the end of the day with the money bottom-line; this is why we are spammed with so many shows and movies, spin-offs, and comics compared to post-PT production Star Wars where we just had the Clone Wars CGI series. Hell that was slated to at least go another 4 seasons according to Filoni and Favaru under Lucas. Compare that with how they've pushed two side-story movies, two spin-off shows, another mini-side story with Obi-Wan, and had to back off over-saturating (and failing badly) with the Sequels to backpedaling back to OT and PT/Clone Wars stuff.You can dislike the NJO books, Legacy books, Fate of the Jedi books, for example; its subjective but I don't think there's any question that Disney has seriously caused fatigue with how much their pushing these big budget shows and movies is a stark contrast to Lucas' more methodical and slower style.
>>82998954Is this the Marvel OC donut steel bitch who constantly talks back and gets sassy with Vader?
>>82999077Well, blaster bolts seem to travel a bit slower than bullets, but they also appear to follow a perfectly flat trajectory instead of being subject to gravity and wind the way bullets are.So, it's a bit of a mixed bag. You'd have to lead a moving target more at range, but a skilled shooter could probably be more accurate with a blaster than a gun. I mean, in both Episode 1 and the Boba Fett show, we see Tusken sharpshooters hitting moving targets at hundreds of yards without even using scopes, and back in season one of The Mandalorian, Fennec was sniping at Mando from like a mile away.
>>82998902Just shoop a parrot in her place.
>>82999172YesLiterally every character in the Star Wars universe wants her dead, and that's including the Mount Everest of Mercy, the all-forgiving Luke Skywalker himself, who approved the hit on her personally, and yet she continues to avoid death because her fag author will never allow it.
>>82999198Was she created by Wendig?
Just watched the new episode.I for one find it highly unrealistic that the millennial vespa gang would choose to assault a wookie of color.
>>82999122I don't think that's really much different to how Lucasfilm would have done things pre-Disney, had they been given the opportunity.George Lucas couldn't get the Underworld show off the ground but if he had, Rick McCalllum said they hoped to make multiple spin-off series about characters from that show and 4-5 shows every year was their pipe dream.
>>82999085I think that just boils down to Favreau not really knowing what to do with Boba and his character but Din is somewhat brutal as a protagonist.
>>82999213I already know about Underground and those spin-offs/side-shows would've taken years to get off the ground running while Underground was live. That was the plan Lucas and Rick had from the get-go, this is not comparable to having 3 or 4 spin-offs going on at the same time like what Disney is doing with their Star Wars and the MCU.
>>82999255*UnderworldAlso iirc, the main character was supposed to be a young adult Boba Fett with cameos featuring a lot of EU characters like Mara Jade, Talon Karrde, and infrequent appearances with Vader and the Emperor as well as Tarkin and Thrawn. That was the plan. It was supposed to be Lucas' final swan song of a live-action series for Star Wars to fill in the gap between Episode III and Episode IV. But the show was so ambitious with its writers, budget, and set up that it just couldn't get off the ground.
>>82999269>Also iirc, the main character was supposed to be a young adult Boba Fett with cameos featuring a lot of EU characters like Mara Jade, Talon Karrde, and infrequent appearances with Vader and the Emperor as well as Tarkin and Thrawn. That was the planNo, Boba was going to be a recurring character but the show would have been mostly anthological and each episode was about a completely different character. None of the Zahn characters were ever set to appear, especially Mara Jade because George apparently disliked her.
>>82999208nope, some loser named Kieren Gillen who makes Wendig look good
>>82999305>George apparently disliked herBullshit
>>82999213they were truly ahead of their time. If Lucas had held on for just a few more years we could have had him in charge of all these streaming series.
>>82999255>I already know about Underground and those spin-offs/side-shows would've taken years to get off the ground running while Underground was live. That was the plan Lucas and Rick had from the get-goI mean didn't it also take two years before we got our first Mandalorian spin-off show m?>this is not comparable to having 3 or 4 spin-offs going on at the same time like what Disney is doing with their Star Wars and the MCU.McCallum outright said that it was possible to have 4-5 spinoff series running simultaneously if Underworld was a success.Also wasn't a Clone Wars Youngling spin-off show in development at the time and the arc in season five was essentially a backdoor pilot for that?
>>82998877How the Galactic Empire is represented.Under Lucas, there was a bit of wiggle room in the writing which is not present with Disney. The initial writers after the buyout (just to tread over the sequel trilogy for a bit) reified the "Empire is Spess Nazis" meme and described the First Order as "What could have happened if the Nazis had all fled to Argentina and regrouped there"The empire was a generic "Evil Empire" under Lucas and several writers were able to treat it as a monolithic entity made evil by officials within, not by merely existing. To quote Thrawn:>I encounter civilians like you all the time. You believe the Empire is continually plotting to do harm. Let me tell you, your view of the Empire is far too dramatic. The Empire is a government. It keeps billions of beings fed and clothed. Day after day, year after year, on thousands of worlds people live their lives under Imperial rule without ever seeing a stormtrooper or hearing a TIE fighter scream overhead.Under Disney, this quote becomes disingenuous because the Mouse's writers already asserted that the Galactic Empire is Space Nazi Germany and wants to oppress and kill everyone.I played a lot of TIE Fighter as a kid and that game does a fantastic job of making you feel like a hero of the empire and there's not much more Lucas-era media that allows any characters to fulfill that role (because the rebels are the good guy faction, of course). Under Disney, there can never be heroes in the Galactic Empire ever again. Heroes will only defect from the empire because the Mouse will only ever present it as evil. That extends to the First Order as well but honestly who gives a shit about a bad guy faction which is just the Galactic Empire only shit?
>>82999371>J.W. Rinzler (guy who wrote the Making of Star Wars books): “Well in George, George couldn’t stand Mara Jade, well he just couldn’t stand, couldn’t deal and they went out and got some sort of person who looked like she’d stepped out of a Cosmopolitan to be the model Mara and he just thought the whole thing was so not Star Wars and not his vision of Star Wars and once, I forget, I think Sue Rostoni between the novels told me or anyway told me they were killing off Mara Jade and I said ‘Do I get to tell George?’”>George Lucas: "There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe—the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."George apparently disliked the idea of Luke having a love interest or getting a wife, which may have explained why Luke being an exiled depressed hermit was a concept that originated from his ST treatments.
>>82999395>I mean didn't it also take two years before we got our first Mandalorian spin-off show?Yes. >McCallum outright said it was possible to have 4-5 spin-off series running.But it never happened under Lucas era Star Wars, which is my point. We only had the seeming continuing and constantly expanding The Clone Wars show while Underworld never was able to make it past pre-production before Disney acquired the IP. So its debatable.>Also wasn't a Clone Wars Youngling spin-off show in development at the time?No. The Youngling episode in season 5 was just a back to roots kind of think with Ashoka's character development but I know of no such intention of it being a backwards pilot episode, the famous example of canceled productions where mainly tons of third party and first-party/in-house games that got axed with the end of 2012.
MSG Zeta is the story of an aspiring pilot getting his life systematically destroyed by a psychotic autist outraged at being told "Kamille" is a "girl's name."
>>82999466There are literally 10,000 quotes you can take of Lucas constantly flip-flopping on EU and its status/connection with his movies, so other then the part about Mara, none of that is relevant.>same Lucas said he wanted to make the Sequels based off Dark Empire comics by Cam Kennedy>hermit LukeNah.
I for one am of the opinion that slugthrowers should be far less effective than blasters against Jedi, even unarmed. Because I believe any bog standard Jedi/force users shouldn't be able to deflect or manipulate energy bolts by themselves for they are too volatile to control and thus they must rely on lightsabers for protection, but anything that's rock solid like a thrown boulder, shrapnels or darts moving at extreme speed is fair game. Of course explosives like rockets would still work depending on the timing.
>>82999494George was very consistent about his feelings on the EU which was: "essentially fanfiction that I can freely contradict and borrow ideas from".
>>82999545Not really, they still would need to concentrate.
>>82999446>the Mouse's writers already asserted that the Galactic Empire is Space Nazi GermanyThis has ended up feeling really odd and inconsistent, in that the Disney-era Empire has also been a fairly diverse faction, with plenty of women and racial minorities, in contrast to the Lucas-era Empire that was 100% British men.
>>82999481>But it never happened under Lucas era Star Wars, which is my point. But it could have had George still been in charge of Lucasfilm in the late 2010s, I guess they would all be on Netflix instead of Disney+.
>>82999608I would also argue that there are actually way too many sympathetic Imperial characters in the canon novels/comics
>>82999446>The empire was a generic "Evil Empire" under Lucas and several writers were able to treat it as a monolithic entity made evil by officials within, not by merely existing.The Empire is inherently evil, it was literally formed and designed by an order of blatantly evil selfish space wizards. Decent Imperials exist but that doesn't make the whole Empire good.
>>82999446Ask yourself how many American movies made during the Cold War portrayed Russians as heroes without making them defect from their godless communist shitholeIf you want to know the answer, the answer is 1, and that movie was a pro-Stalinist propaganda piece made by actual communist and the only person actually deserving of the HUAC Hollywood blacklist, Dalton Trumbo, picture completely unrelated
>>82999608>>82999446It's funny that the core defining trait of the lead Tie fighter pilot is a homosexual, this made the rounds of gaming websites as a huge win against nazis. I defy anyone to list any character traits of any other pilot in the game without looking it up.
>>82999446>Empire good>Rebels badYou do know it's okay to like the bad guys. In fact it's pussy footing shit like this that makes it sorta gay.
>>82999760Grey was the only Imperial in Squadrons who acted like a normal person, the rest had mental health issues.
>>82999768when I was a kid watching Disney movies and thinking how badass and manly Gaston and Clayton and Sikes were, I didn't think "wtf why is Disney portraying a [rural french peasant/lordly english hunter/rich businessman] as bad guys instead of making them deep and nuanced and actually the good guys", I instantly recognized that they were the villains because they did bad things without any sense of guilt, I didn't try to reevaluate it by contemporary morals, I didn't try to make hairsplitting apologetics, I didn't complain about historical revisionism, I just watched the bad guys die epic deaths to the good guys and liked it BECAUSE I'M NOT A COCKSUCKING ETERNALLY ASSHURT /V/EDDITOR
>>82999760>Gray is a homosexualIs it just me, or is the NuCanon dominated by gay? Like, to the point that the only times we get to see heterosexual characters is when they're,>Self-inserts (Wexley and his mom)>From the Old Canon and already had wives or husbands>Are getting marketed to China>InterracialSeriously, China seems to be the only thing keeping Disney from going Weimar-tier Gay. Aphra is gay, most of the cast of Aftermath and Alphabet Squad is gay, everything I've heard about High Republic is gay, the characters of Squadrons is gay. Gay gay gay. Gay gay gay. Nothing but gay as far as the eye can see.
>>82999494>>same Lucas said he wanted to make the Sequels based off Dark Empire comics by Cam KennedySource: dude, trust me
>>82999760>It's funny that the core defining trait of the lead Tie fighter pilot is a homosexualWhich is funny because the game brings it up once in a passing mention. Considering how much it was brought up I expected more but Grey was just a normal commander who was just lax on war crimes.
>>82999833Aphra isn't "gay" gay, she's one of those newfangled acronyms like demiqueer or some bullshit to make her even more super speshul that occasionally has a thing with men, however you did hit upon a cogent note about how hollywood has been in a habit of desexualizing movies, and I don't mean in the sense of removing sex appeal, I mean removing feminine motivations and behaviors from women, and masculine motivations and behaviors from men, and swapping them between them to create socially androgynous robots who can't interact romantically.>>82999845he's calling it bullshit, I remember because the other guy shilling that has been around forever
>>82999882 >just a normal commander who was just lax on war crimes.the worst thing about him isnt that hes a fag, its that hes a whiny hypocritical fag>Might makes right, and we're mighty so we get to make the rules like blowing up medical transport ships full of civilians that have no connection to the rebellion but happened to be in the same galaxy as rebels!>NOOOOO THE REBELLION IS EVIL BECAUSE THEY BEAT US THATS SOOOOO UNFAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!Christ what a shitty game
>>82999833I find funny disney wants to have their cake and eat it too with this, like a lot of the sequal fanbase was asking for the finnxpoe ship to happen but the most we got was an easily removable background lesbian kiss. It's the most corporate safe homosexual pandering and it's really obvious.
>>82999569The scar Anakin got between Episode II and Episode III was from Ventress, which is why he had it in Revenge of the Sith since it came from the Republic - Clone Wars tie-in series, set before the Obsession comic. Once again, Lucas is extremely flip-floppy when it comes to his view of the Expanded Universe with the movies. As for the Dark Empire series:>It was originally intended that, instead of reviving Palpatine as a clone, the storyline would have involved the Galactic Empire hiring someone to wear a replica of Darth Vader's suit or the original one to keep fear in the galaxy, but Lucas vetoed that option. Veitch was then allowed to resurrect the Emperor, which Lucas approved (although there are conflicting accounts whether it was Lucas or Veitch the one who suggested the idea in the first place).He was always involved. Fuck, it was his idea pitched to Rostini that had Anakin Solo killed off instead of Jacen Solo.
>>82999930Finn x Poe thing always confused me because that was never something that was ever promised by the films, just because characters have chemistry with each other doesn't mean they're gay.
>>82999925>everyones all might makes right this and emperor shouldn't have fired my parents that>I just want to fly
>>82999930Was it even really lesbian? I've seen my mom kiss her sister after being apart for a long time, that didn't mean they were fucking each otherIt seems like another one of those "things women will never understand" where they think Frodo and Sam were a gay couple, or else it's just retarded anglos thinking the continental practice of showing affection by hugs and kisses regardless of sex is homo shit
>>82999760I vaguely remember him being a hypocrite. As for the other, I remember a fucking pyschotic gobelina, a slutty brown careerist ready to suck or backstab anyone for advancement and a cyborg dude.
>>82999833Thank Blackrock Finance's EGS score rating for that; 9 trillion in funds which only go to corporations have a high EGS score.
>>82999950Somewhat involved but he didn't consider the EU canon
>>82999952I kinda wonder what happened in the writers room of TLJ with them.>ok so finn and poe have good chemistry and fans want to see more of the together>give the two different sub plots and pair them with women they don't have chemistry with Gay or not it was odd.
>>82999959everyone agreed he was based though, the only based imperial character in the storyrebel side had>based mimban mommy>based mon cal general>based black dude>based mommy hera>based trando bro>based mirialan tomboy>based wedgehow can imperilards even compete?
>>82999569>>82999963>>82999972>UGO: How was fan response to your works regarding continuity of the Star Wars Mythos?>TV: We had great response. I still get letters from people telling me that Dark Empire was the best of the continuing stories, that it should be made into a movie, that it should be a novel, etc. George Lucas told me personally that he loved it. Some people had a problem with the bringing back of the emperor. But as I have explained elsewhere, we did that under George Lucas' direction. Originally we asked him if we could bring back Darth Vader, assuming that the empire would want to perpetuate the image of Vader in order to strike fear into the hearts of billions. So they would put somebody else inside the Vader costume, of course. But George nixed that and told us we could bring back the emperor.Yeah George borrows from the EU but that's splitting the difference into retarded margins. He for all intents and purposes has been involved heavily in a shit ton of EU projects, and the entire PT basically gave Palpatine's origins into being identical to what we got with Palpatine in the Dark Empire graphic novel series; obsessed with immortality and godhood. This is shown when using Darth Bane, liking the KOTOR games to signal it was okay to use Revan in TCW, and even making Coruscant like TZ created in the Heir to the Empire trilogy as the capital of the Old Republic, Empire, and New Republic. Grasp at straws all you want, but Lucas has always contradicted himself when it comes to how he viewed the EU but it was always canon.
>>82999959>Emperor shouldnt' have fried*Fixed that for you
>>82998276But in KOTOR 2 you can successfully mind trick a toydarian even though they're supposed to be immune in TPM
>>82999983I feel like they were afraid to actually go too far with the imperial pilots. Shen is the only one that feels like how they've been depicted in the lore as either being psychotic or suicidal. I think they tried with the crazy bitch but she doesn't go far enough. And your commander I don't even remember enough about.
>>82999690>Decent Imperials exist but that doesn't make the whole Empire good.This is what I meant but the other way around. The Galactic Empire is the bad guy faction, but due to its sheer size (monolithic, like I said) it should be able to have its own heroes.>>82999768Are you retarded? Read my post again.>>82999760...TIE Fighter (1994) but I had the 1996 collector's edition. Which game is this?
>>82999984>This is shown when using Darth BaneHe created this character for his TPM backstory. He allowed the licensing to do whatever they wanted with him, as the EU was a parallel universe.> liking the KOTOR gamesHe didn't. In his mind, there was never a war between the Jedi and Sith; it was made up by the fans.> to signal it was okay to use Revan in TCWAll the EU in TCW comes from Filoni. Lucas just told him to come up with two Sith Lords for the Son scene.> and the entire PT basically gave Palpatine's origins into being identical to what we got with Palpatine in the Dark Empire graphic novel series;What origins? Palpatine being a Politician and the Republic becoming the Empire was known forever; Lucas didn't keep it secret.>Coruscant like TZ created in the Heir to the Empire trilogy as the capital of the Old RepublicHad Abaddon was already created for RotJ. Nothing but name was taken by Lucas.>but Lucas has always contradicted himself when it comes to how he viewed the EU but it was always canon.No, he never contradicted himself on the matter. He's been consistent about it since the 90's. Only movies and TV-shows produced by him personally at Lucasfilm are his canon. Everything else is a parallel universe.It's time to stop coping, anon.
>>82999984>the entire PT basically gave Palpatine's origins into being identical to what we got with Palpatine in the Dark Empire graphic novel series; obsessed with immortality and godhoodNo, Palpatine in the PT just wanted to take over the galaxy. The godhood/immortality thing is mainly an EU thing.>This is shown when using Darth BaneGeorge Lucas conceived Darth Bane>liking the KOTOR games to signal it was okay to use Revan in TCWThat was a Dave Filoni thing, I think it was George who nixed the idea because a Force god bowing to Sith lords didn't feel right>even making Coruscant like TZ created in the Heir to the Empire trilogy as the capital of the Old Republic, Empire, and New RepublicCoruscant in the Thrawn trilogy had a different appearance, I think.
>>83000026Star Wars™: SquadronsRequires an EA account to play so I never gave it a try.
>>82998877The lack of actual *war* in my Star Wars. Don't get me wrong, all this dicking around on backwater planets doing adventurer shit is fun and all, but I think I'm starting to go into Star Destroyer withdrawal.
>>83000062>Coruscant in the Thrawn trilogy had a different appearance, I thinkIt didn't. One writer, the author of the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy, wrote Coruscant differently but TZ and all others henceworth always kept it as a city-planet barring its polar regions.
>>83000113Speaking of previous versions of Coruscant, I wish they'd kept the gothic look it had in the cinematics of the old TIE Fighter game. Reminded me of the early concept art from the first draft of RotJ.
>>82999009It's a mediocre cartoon series with a few good episodes sprinkled throughout its run.>>82998877How superficial everything is.>>82998978>Boba Fett's quirky scooter gangThat was a George Lucas idea that got poached from his Underworld notes because a gang of cybered-up space Mods driving Vespas as designed by General Motors circa 1957 is far too fun an idea for Disney to have thought up on their own.>>82999244>Favreau not really knowing what to do with Boba and his characterThe issue is that Favreau seems to believe that Star Wars shows need a somewhat clueless everyman as a lead and for some reason decided to turn Boba Fett into one. That and the fact that nothing fucking happens and all the characters are nothing more than a collection of superficialities walking around in order to facilitiate the series' alleged plot.
>>82999085>morally questionable sorta-terrorist he was in the movieHaving rewatched it recently, I got the impression that his character arc over the course of the movie is to evolve into that. At the start he's just a straight-up CIA glownigger-tier terrorist. He was fully ready to smoke Galen, he got the task specifically because his boss knew he would do it no questions asked. It was only Jyn's insistence that he wasn't a bad guy coupled with watching Krennic be a dick that convinced him not to turn Galen's head into a canoe.
>>82995638wtf, why does amuro look like black haired Luke? Char and the girl look like the human versions of their respective anime characters. But Amuros facial structure should be a bit more squat.
>>83000113The Thrawn trilogy explicitly mentions a mountain range on the horizon visible from the major government buildings Leia and Mon Mothma et al occupy, there are large tracts of "wilderness" though vastly outnumbered by the ecumenopolis, and the graphic novel adaptation shows this off. It's not a pure city-scape like George's version, it's more like Tokyo but without the ocean
>>83000159nvm I read the filename >>82995267
>>83000141I like that this does still look like it was built over the jedi temple.
>>82999768This. I've always kinda enjoyed the Decepticons because they look fucking cool. Yes they're unrepentantly evil and quite willing to exploit, terrorize, or even genocide humanity, but they turn into bitchin' hardware and that's enough to make me like them.
>>83000162Lucas' version of Coruscant came well after later EU works solidified it being a literal city-planet. Like you said, even with its initial creation and debut in the Heir to the Empire books, it was still MOSTLY a ecumenopolis. The totality of the planet being like 95-95% covered in hundreds of hundreds of cityscape, buildings, and structure was well in hand in later EU works well before it showed up in 1999's The Phantom Menace.
>>82999009Yes, it's great. Skip Rebels, The Bad Batch and Resistance, though - those are absolute garbage.
>>83000226>Yes they're unrepentantly evil and quite willing to exploit, terrorize, or even genocide humanityThe fact that they are so unrepentant about it is half the fun, and also because they go about their villainy in fun and stupid ways rather than boring and stupid ways.
>>83000257>TCW is great>skip RebelsHey, Rebels is no worse than TCW in any aspects other than budget and artstyle. Bad Batch is still complete trash tho.
>>83000257still living rent-free in salty TCWfags' heads
>>83000292Nah, Rebels gets pretty formulaic, at least The Clone Wars has a lot of variety with the way the show and its episodes are structured.
>>82998877The prequel jedi, everything about them, from the code to the way they dress.
>>82999446But the Empire IS space nazis. Are you that one retard who insists they're actually space brits or romans?
>>83000292> Rebels is no worse than TCW in any aspects other than budget and artstyle.It is worse in every aspect. Characters, plot, action, violence, subject matter. It was a show for 7 year olds on DisneyXD channel. Also: space whales, helisabers, hyperspace wolves, Ezra Bridger, Sabine Wren.>>83000300Doesn't even look like Ahsoka. Created a whole different Togruta and called her Ahsoka. T-thanks.
>>83000292> Rebels is no worse than TCW in any aspects other than budget and artstyleAbsolutely Keked. Rebels is bad as a rule, and good only in exceptions (Usually only the scenes where they bring back older non rebel characters, and like a few with green lady and eyeless boy).While id say its nearly the opisite for TCW its good as a rule and bad in exceptions (A lot of season 1 and a few episodes intersperced).Rebels is very consistant in its shitty writting and cringyness of its main cast. You could literally experience all the good parts of rebels by looking at the youtube clips of its highlight moments with Ashoka, vader, Maul, and Obi. (all of which maybe amounting to 10 minutes.)
You know if he just waited a few months his plans would have been a lot easier.
>>83000327>The way they dressYou mean like Jedi in the OT ?
>>82999009yes lol it justifies the existence of the prequel trilogy, gives most of its characters (especially anakin) a decent arc and it's high quality star warsnote though that the first season is very rough. there's good episodes but it's ugly and awkward
>>83000300>Literally needs TCW character cameos to justify its worththe absolute STATE of rebelcels….
>>82999983Why do Mirialan make the best tomboys? Every time I think of Mirialan, it’s sexy tomboys with huge tits.
>>83000380Ah yes, the famous jedi, Owen Lars. Obi Wan wore brown robes in the New Hope, because he lived in the desert. Everyone there dresses the same way.
>>829990095/10, it's okay. Hits as often as it misses, doesn't contain anything that makes it a must-watch since it's just meant to be filler between AOTC and ROTS. The tabletop content that resulted from it can be useful if you're playing Republic or CIS in Legion.
>>83000318>complains about rebels being formulaic>claims variety in the show where every other sentence contains the words MY BROTHERS>anakin ignores the rules AGAIN>Maul E. Coyote's ACME rocket-powered Obi-wan catching device explodes in his facecome on dude, Clone Wars is practically just M.A.S.H.
>>83000327>Space monks act like space monkswtf is this shit.Also, its completely consistant with Obi-wan and Yoda’s more conservative stances in the Empire Strikes Back.
>>83000366>>83000372Nice mobile samefagging bro
>>83000430The jedi weren't space monks, until the prequel retardation rolled in. They weren't celibate, they weren't emotionless and bland, and they made no big deal about attachments. Obi Wan didn't have a "conservative stance", he warned Luke that the Emperor may use his feelings against him. There is a big difference between that and>There is no emotion, there's peace.
>>83000404>Monks wear robesImersion status: ruined.
>>83000394Pretty much. It's quite telling that the only things anyone talks about from that show are Ahsoka vs Vader and Kenobi vs Maul. The show pretty much exists only for these two arcs. The rest is filler. And my God, the Empire was utterly humiliated in that show. They were worse than battle droids, who were BUILT TO BE CHEAP AND INCOMPETENT. Remember when Sabine was literally jumping on Stormtroopers' heads? Yeah. Dark Times my ass.
>>83000454Do rebelsfags really?
>>83000461der ewige TCJude exposed
>>83000000what a waste
>>83000454absolute schizoid. I bet you think I edited this picture too, huh?Because its that inconcievable that Rebels might not be a good show by and large.
Frankly, I think Lightsabers in FFG aren’t strong enough. Breach 3.
>>83000499>accuse a person of samefagging using a mobile phone>posts an image with a filename generated by a mobile device
>>83000455>The jedi weren't space monks, until the prequel retardation rolled in.They were pretty much always Buddhist warrior monks. Read "The Making of..." books.>They weren't celibateThey weren't celibate in the PT, either. In fact, Lucas explicitly stated, that the Jedi are allowed to have sex.>they weren't emotionless and blandThey aren't, though. Only a few cunts, like Mace Dindu, Luminara Unduli, Ki-Adi Mundi.>and they made no big deal about attachmentsIt was all implicitly stated in the OT. See: Yoda and Luke in ESB, Luke's final act.>Obi Wan didn't have a "conservative stance", he warned Luke that the Emperor may use his feelings against him. There is a big difference between that and>There is no emotion, there's peace.There is a difference between *feelings* and *emotion*.
>>83000404Obi-Wan had a different cut from Owen own robes, and Luke black clothes are not that far from Anakin own clothing in RotS, Anakin's are just a bit lighter and with leather for the outer part of the tunic.
>>83000159that's kamillei'd like to believe they told the artist to draw a zeta collage "like the star wars posters" and he was a very literal person
>>83000421Not every episode arc focused on the Clones or Anakin though
>>83000549>>83000404Why do the retards that complain about the Jedi wearing "tattooine robes" forget that Yoda and Anakin wore the same fucking robes in ESB and ROTJ?
>>83000455George Lucas said it was okay for Jedi to have sex with prostitutes, just as long there was no genuine love/feelings involved.
>>83000537Even Ki-Adi isn't emotionless, he try to overcompensate because of his feeling for his familly and after their death he feel broken inside and cut himself from others/his emotions to avoid the grief (would have really gone well with his more dammage look he had in concept art).
>>83000537> They weren't celibate in the PT, either. In fact, Lucas explicitly stated, that the Jedi are allowed to have sex.Source? I need to give this news to my friends so my Jedi can have sex with the Nautolan Marauder
>>83000578Yoda lived in a swamp and Force Ghost Anakin is a plot hole that you shouldn't think about.
>>83000346>Are you that one retard who insists they're actually space brits or romans?No. Lucas drew inspiration from many empires. Yes, British and Roman ideas and themes are in there, but so are Soviet, ww2 Japanese, Third Reich, and Chinese Mandate of Heaven ideas and themes.This is how you build up a generic evil empire.>But the Empire IS space nazisUnder Disney, yes explicitly so because Disney writers reified this idea.
>>830005781) Yoda wore different robes, and an appropriate clothing for the swamp planet.2) RotJ is when the decline started.
>>83000578Because Anakin was from Tatooine.This is how Obi-Wan and the Jedi were supposed to look like in TPM, pic related.>Doug Chiang: "Initially, Obi-Wan was the master and on this mission alone, and then he takes on Anakin as his Padawan. One day George explained that Jedi work in pairs, like the Sith, so he changed it so that Obi-Wan was a Padawan with a master."The Jedi draw their lightsabers to defend themselves against the attacking droids in the Trade Federation battleship hallway. They have just escaped the room full of poison gas behind them. Iain McCaig: "At one time the Jedi were going to be more like a UN peacekeeping force with a regimented costume, Obi-Wan's age changed all over the place — at one point he was substantially older, like a youngish 50. For a long time we had a character who was samurai-like, with a ponytail and long sideburns, but as it evolved that character split into Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. Now there was an older mentor, and it told us a lot more about who the Jedi were. It wasn't like a peacekeeping force — it was more like a temple, with an apprenticeship. When that happened, we revised the look. In the end, to make a strong connection between the Obi-Wan we know and the Obi-Wan in the prequels, we went back to the original costume design and said, "Let's let everyone wear those beautiful light brown robes."
>>83000598There is also specific theming with how Lucas did it, it's not a coincidence that all of the officers were British, it specifically gives you a feel about generals in the British empire, the uniform designs actually have an interesting mix of inspirations if you look into it. It's a lot of themes working in conjunction to sell the audience that this is an evil empire.
>>83000455… they kinda were. They were warrior mystics. >They made no big deal about attachmentdid you watch episode 5? you even said> that the Emperor may use his feelings against him. thats sounds a like warning someone about attachment 2 me senpai. If you extrapolate that further you kind of get an aloof mysticism. and that sounds like the exact OPPISITE of >made no big deal about attachments>CelibacyThat seems increadibly intuitive for a religious order. Just think about Romans in the Bible, Or the Uppshadas in hindu texts, or Sufis in Islam, or buhdist monks etc. Celebacy is par for the course for spiritually inclined hermits, detachment from Physical wants.I think you have to be willfully obtuse to not intuite these things.
>>83000583>he try to overcompensate because of his feeling for his familly and after their death he feel broken inside and cut himself from others/his emotions to avoid the griefEverything about Ki-Adi Mundi from the EU is one big, dumb retcon. I wish people would stop bringing that up.Him being married and having kids was written before Attack of the Clones in the Republic comics right when TPM came out. And he was quite involved with his family in those comics. Then, in Attack of the Clones, it was revealed that the Jedi can't actually marry. So they retconned him into being some endangered species. Then, in Revenge of the Sith, it was revealed that only Jedi Masters can be on the Jedi Council. But Ki Adi was always a Jedi Knight in the EU. So they retconned it that he was actually in the process of being promoted.His entire existence is one big "Fuck you" and just outright trolling of Anakin and contradiction of his entire plotline and motivations. All that shit from comic books did not come from Lucas and should not be taken in consideration too much, as he himself said it was a parallel universe. It's fun and all, but it's bullshit.>>83000594>Source? I need to give this news to my friends so my Jedi can have sex with the Nautolan Marauder>But Lucas revealed that despite their monastic regime, Jedi were permitted to have sex.>"Jedi Knights aren't celibate - the thing that is forbidden is attachments - and possessive relationships."http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1989505.stm
>>83000346The Empire have a good mixture of every variety of imperialistic authoritarian bastardry.>>83000366>Also: space whales, helisabers, hyperspace wolves, Ezra BridgerI don't see a problem with any of this.>Sabine Wren.You've got me there.>>83000537>Luke's final act.>>83000578Honestly, the only egregious aspect of it is how public and important the Jedi were in the prequels. I wouldn't have an issue if the Jedi didn't have a mountain-sized temple on the Republic's capitol world and are used as their official problem solvers which make them public to the point that some random slave on a backwater planet was able to recognise one merely by the existence of their weapon. There's also the weirdness of Han Solo not believing in the Force when his crewmate literally served alongside Yoda back in the day, but that's another issue.>>83000632>it's not a coincidence that all of the officers were BritishIt's just that it was filmed in the UK and British actors were significantly easier to obtain.
>>83000346they're space empire. the nazi allusions are obvious but they also served as stand-ins for the US government or whoever lucas thought was too far right
>>82999446A lot of Imperial officers in the OT were Americans, Tagge and Motti for example as well as the Stormtroopers and several others. But you are correct: collectively Disney's version of Star Wars in their canon/continuity have singularly painted the Galactic Empire as being space-Nazis.
>>83000612>Doug Chiang: "Initially, Obi-Wan was the master and on this mission alone, and then he takes on Anakin as his Padawan. One day George explained that Jedi work in pairs, like the Sith, so he changed it so that Obi-Wan was a Padawan with a master."Big mistake, Obi-Wan was a non-character in TPM
>>83000529Never denied I was posting on a ipad. I kinda included the internet bar on the top…
>>83000703>George Lucas: In the very rough draft, Obi-Wan was essentially by himself through the first third of the film. In the first 10 pages or so there was nobody for him to play against. Then Jar Jar Binks appears, but he's comic relief. The queen operates in a different world than the Jedi. I have to develop a relationship between her and Anakin, because that's where the real story is, but I wasn't able to develop Obi-Wan's character fast enough.>When I got through the rough draft I realized that I had a second Jedi that comes in about halfway through the script who is an interesting character and the more I thought about it the more I thought of things I could do with these two Jedi together because one alone didn't have much to react to.>Paul Duncan: So you added a Jedi mentor for Obi-Wan, called Qui-Gon Jinn which meant that Obi-Wan became a Padawan. The film begins with them dealing with a dispute between the Trade Federation and Naboo.
>>83000691>Star WarscreatorGeorge Lucassought to make the First Galactic Empire aesthetically and thematically similar toNazi Germanyand to appear to befascist. Similar to Nazi Germany, the Galactic Empire is a dictatorship based on rigid control of society that dissolved a previous democracy and is led by an all-powerful supreme ruler. The Empire, like the Nazis, desires the creation oftotalitarianorder and utilizes excessive force and violence to achieve their ends. The title of the Empire's main soldiers, thestormtroopers, is somewhat similar to the name given toAdolf Hitler'sSturmabteilung(SA, "storm department") paramilitary bodyguards.>The visual appearance of Darth Vader in his all-black uniform combined with his devout obedience to the Emperor has allusion to the black-uniformed Nazi Schutzstaffel (SS). According to a Lucasfilm-authorized source, Darth Vader's relationship with Palpatine is akin to SS leader Heinrich Himmler's relationship with Hitler. The uniforms of Imperial military officers also bear resemblance to uniforms used in Nazi Germany as well as 19th century Polish ulans (mounted lancers)—who wore a tunic, riding breeches, and boots like the Empire's officers wear—as well as the Imperial officers' cap resembling the field caps historically worn by German and Austrian troops.
>>83000753Why not just edit the plot so that Kenobi isn't alone for like the first hour of the movie, I mean introduce Anakin, Padme, or even Jar Jar much earlier?
>>83000756Another reason why the Empire in Star Wars, much like the Nazis in the real world, had the coolest military uniforms in sci-fi.
>>83000756So how does this line up with the information provided by West End Games in their tabletop sourcebooks?
>>83000785Isn't WEG the same retards that kept claiming for years that Vader's SSD was only 8 kilometers long and the empire only had the resources to make a few thousand Star Destroyers when both Death STars where built in complete secrecy?
>>83000678>I wouldn't have an issue if the Jedi didn't have a mountain-sized temple on the Republic's capitolIm completely fine with that. think vestal virgins or papacy. (In the later, you would have both decadently dressed cardinals, but also somberly dressed aged vows of poverty monks who would often consult kings and weild large amounts of power depending on status. Both could be rather major public figures.>BritishAlso british just have an authoritative quality to it. I think thinking to hard about that is to the wayside. That particualr accent just has a “Higher crust authority figure” feel to it, and thats what they were going for.
>>83000691Yah, I think they just wanted the “Big bad empire” theme rather than jankilly making a particular analogy overmuch. Like we dont get much from OG besides the senate being dissolved. and them fighting rebels. We dont go into their tax policy or ideology much if at all. just here are the bad guys, here are the underdogs. more general archytypes.
>>83000838Nah, it goes beyond that. In the EU and other stuff, the Empire was generally seen in positive by the majority of the galaxy i.e. the Core and Inner Rim worlds which is the bulk of the galaxy's population, and the vast supermajority of them being humans or near-humans. Its only in places like Wild Space, Outer Rim territories i.e. Hutt Space, and the Unknown Regions that Imperial military atrocities and bad behavior is known. But beyond that, the Empire was just an autocratic authoritative government that was generally way more efficient at getting shit down, clamping down on lawlessness, overt corruption, etc...that made the Republic's Senate so bloated with issues, slow as shit, and inept at dealing with problems. The problem with the ST is that the First Order is basically the Empire 2.0 but hyper incompetent, with resources up the ass despite being pushed into unexplored space for decades after the Empire was defeated at Jakku, and cartoonishly evil for the sake of being evil. Take for example when Owen and Beru are killed by Stormtroopers; their homestead is isolated and were eliminated to prevent witnesses from learning about R2D2 having the Death Star schematics and data. Now compare that to Jakku, where the First Order butchers everyone in some village even after killing all the Resistance. ST just replays verbatim the Empire vs Rebels dynamic but dilutes it badly, hell by TLJ their once more calling themselves Rebels instead of the Resistance.
>>83000756>"We're fighting the largest empire in the world, and we're just a bunch of hay seeds in coonskin hats that don't know nothing," >"The irony is that, in both of those, the little guys won. The highly technical empire -- the English Empire, the American Empire -- lost. That was the whole point,">I remember when I sat there in the Evil Emperor's swivel chair and George [Lucas] said things like 'does it remind you of the Oval office?' And I realised that at that time Richard Nixon was in his mind.>colonial, we’re fighting the largest empire in the world… and it was the same thing with the Vietnamese.
>>83000946There isn't much irony in that.
>>82998902I'm of the belief that it would've worked much better as a Dash Rendar movie.
>>83000966Nor have Americans lost Vietnam, either.Could've put a stronger effort as well, too.
>>83000794That 8 km measurement started with Raymond Velasco's Guide to the Star Wars Universe. WEG just rolled with that figure.
What's the website you can use to create a custom lightsaber?
>>83001028Yeah but it was retarded considering you could literally line up 13 1.6 kilometer star destroyers linerally and they'd still be less lengthy then the Executor.
>>82999950Aayla Secura was a character original to the comics but George, with his boner for twi'leks presumably in control, decided to make her a background character in the prequels.
>>83001028How do they get around, golf carts?
>>83001070Probably what amounts to a subway.
>>83001070The janitors cover the floors in slippery cleaning fluid and you slip-and-slide to your destination. Just make sure there are no clowns near the airlocks and you're good.
>>83001088>when Vader is angry but amused he force floor slip slops them out of the airlocks
>>83001125>force floor slip slops
>>83001132Not wise in force ways, you are.
>>83000935>In the EU and other stuff, the Empire was generally seen in positive by the majority of the galaxyYou're so wrong your entire opinion is invalid.
>>83001174Whatever you say, Wendig.
>>83001174he's not though? the majority of the core worlds were primarily human and where most of the recruitment of the empire's forces came from; its when you mix in COMPNOR human supremacists and the Outer Rim where most non-humanoid races are that the empire was largely detested
>>83000935Vatnik, when will you get the hint that you're not wanted here?
>>83001174>>83001223Also the Imperial Remnants retreated into the Outer Rim; their biggest allies were the Corporate Alliance who are in the Deep Core of the galaxy.
>>83001258You are schizophrenic.
>>83001340The only schizo here is you. Take your meds, or - better yet - some cyanide.
>>82995036There was also the gold plated stormtrooper and the First Order Red Baron.
>>82995159>Defender has more solar panels thus it better.Agree, lazy design. Ralph was a genius, anything else is garbage tier for nitwits.
>>83001392Chill out, Disney cuck.
>>82998954>>82998965These two in particular. Aphra is such a cringe inducing character, I have no idea why so many fucking "reviewers" and critics in comics and pop culture seem to latch onto her as being special or unique. Literally even most of the most ardent Sequel Trilogy/Disney Wars apologists agree she's a terrible, annoying character, whose long overstayed her welcome and place.
>>83001652REPORT TO MY ART DIVISION FOR RE-EDUCATION
When are we getting a new Star Wars TCG?
>>83000778Teenage Anakin, movie starts after the Queens ship crashes near Mos Eisely. Anakin helps harbor the Jedi, fix their ship, flirts with Padme, wins his freedom, loses his mom, yadda yadda.
>>82999833why dont we try to get the chinese mad at the pozzed shit and do a boycott, so we can finally get disney to stop ruining star wars
Are we a Avenger or Defender class thread?
>>83002342Fuck off, r*bel scum.
>>83002331All TIEs are valid for their specific role.
>>83002373Why are most disney OT designs better than their ST designs?
>TIE WAR ORPHAN CLASS STANDING BY
>>83002393Lore wise, no. Tie-Interceptors were introduced into mass production following the Battle of Hoth in TESB. It was intended to completely replace and phase out the older classic Tie-Fighter being far faster, slightly tougher, much more powerful and capable.
>>83002413Because they have an established aesthetic that they have to work within, rather than having the freedom to do whatever.
>>83002413Because ILM, the people in charge of producing Star Wars SFX, hired all the people that actually give a damn about Star Wars, and when they're not forced to do something really stupid by kosher-bosher diversity hires they produce nothing but gold
>>83002413That still looks retarded.
>>83002478>this person will defend the janky experimental TIEs in XWA
So apparently it shows up in canon so should it be added to x-wing? Does it have a niche it could fill?
>>83002495Yes, Tie-Hunter Killers look 10x better than anything native to Disney.
>>83002676don't care, mouse wars are shit
>>83002644All pre-Vong starfighter-sized hulls should be added to XWM.