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favorite Marauder variant, go.
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>>82990146
Crazy Nick rubbing together the last two sane braincells in his skull while building his furry eugenics utopia and realizing "hey melee is kinda shit let's just kill 'em at long range lmao", and then promptly ruining the tactical advantage of being long range by instituting a dueling culture.
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>>82990194
The ungooglable MAD-3D which I have no pics of.
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>>82990194
I'm fond of the 5S myself. Great as a sniper mech
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>>82990194
Dunno, I have discovered my love of marauders only recently.
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>>82990194
2T. I just like LB-Xs. Speaking of which, do the Taurians still have any of those floating around in the late SW era to throw at ornery RPG parties? Or are surviving MAD-2Ts too rare to waste on anything less urgent than a full Davion invasion?
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>>82990277
Shit, I ought to read the citations more closely. I didn't realize it wasn't an SW-era variant.
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>>82990194
9s.

Has the shotgun for crit seeking and finally gets rid of the XL engine.
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>>82990194
MAD-5S the only one i have used in megamek also the MAD-5CS
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>>82990194
The custom one I made myself is obviously the best one
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>>82990351
post stats
also what do you guys use arty in megamek, if you do what are the submunnitions
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>>82990367

Self-propelled Thumpers if I'm not in a time and region that favors Arrows. Never use smoke for some reason.
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>>82990351
This, the mad senpai is fun to work on.
>>82990367
Okay, here's my Marauder II variant because I want some feedback on it. I used the two tons from ferro to add an AMS but I'm thinking another DHS would have been better to neutralise the heat from running and jumping. With the AMS added on top it can get to +4 in one turn of activity.
But the reason I didn't do that is because I don't really know what to do with the remaining ton besides a C3 slave or something.
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>What I mean is, what made the Clans decide that melee was a step too far in their clusterfuck of a culture?
Probably whatever made them sneer at contractions while combining words in other ways. Either way, it's up to the mechwarriors of the Inner Sphere to explain the virtues of close combat.
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>>82990449
>>82990466
So I'm not allowed to contract 'marauder family' because it's dezgra?
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>>82990495
The trick is to just win, then anything you did is automatically correct.
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>>82990194
There can be only one.
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>>82990449
Okay so the attack routines are 2xppcs at range and 3xlpl at close, but it overheats performing them and walking. Would be perhaps better with one more heat sink.
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>>82990519
But there's many in your image
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Guardian ECM or Beagle Active Probe?
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i wish i had the voice of nicolai malthus
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>>82990795
ecm. Beagle is useless untill it isnt.
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>>82990795
Maybe both? C3 becomes common, so it might be usefull to have the option of blocking it.
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>>82990812
But how will you fons those sneaky civ… I mean “Rebells” without a good sensor suite?
>t. Mizuhito Carlsen.
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>>82990795
ECM
Active Probe
C3 Slave
TAG
NARC launcher
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>>82990857
Are you saying that basic sensors that were approved by Coordinator are not up to the task?
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>>82990466
isn't that a warhawk
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>>82990901
But what about a HPG?
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>>82990926
Fuck yo HPG
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can someone post the banshee comic of the 4/6/0 ain't free, bnc-3s isn't a real banshee, littered with the gm 380 etc
it makes me laugh everytime and then i forget to save it
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>>82990941
check the booru
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>>82990901
Thats just Owens.
>>82990941
Check the boroo
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>>82990910
Those rebels are have been getting awfully sneaky recently
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>>82990926
>20 ton mobile HPG's exist.
>Somehow the Inner sphere STILL is mostly having Dark Age Communication problems in Ilkhan.

Man the lore around HPG's has really gone to complete shit post-Jihad.
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>>82990954
thank you anons
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>>82990524
Yeah, very simple on the face of it. I'm used to building for introtech with more guns and better heat efficiency, where designing the mech to just barely keep cool and not fire something every other turn works well.
This design is a big departure from that, it doesn't have enough guns to just turn one off and none of them are really efficient. If I turn off one ERPPC to avoid reaching a penalty this round I lose half of my damage and have a lot of unused cooling capacity.
AMS or DHS? What do with the remaining ton? Do I resort to endo or XL to fit all the crap I want? I want it as early as possible on the timeline and as cheap as possible for this loadout.
>>82990795
ECM is annoying because it basically projects an anti-fun zone. Artemis, NARCs, C3, anything interesting stops working and the only counter is another ECM, so if you want to use any of those things all of your mechs need ECM to counter the ECM that all of your opponent's mechs will be using.
BAP is solely for detecting hidden units. If you're not playing with hidden units it's deadweight. It would be cool if these items had more engaging interactions with missiles and woods, but they don't.
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>>82990973
Don't forget black boxes.
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>>82990954
Owens does it wrong. It can be done right, though.
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>>82990973

Putting one in a dropship makes it cost as much as a warship (C-bill sticker prices aren't real but if they reflect anything they reflect maintenance demand and difficulty); I'm inclined to think they're prohibitive to obtain, maintain, and field. Also that the Blackout is more an ongoing local event in most of the old Inner Sphere zone than a single moment of sabotage.

>apropos of nothing also there's fluff on Republic trying to keep Black Boxes useful in the early DA owing to general bandwith issues.
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>>82991011
>Don't forget black boxes.

They didn't.
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>>82991015
Prove it.
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>>82990466
Two reasons.

First, you devote significant mass to guns on 'Mechs, and shooting a fast moving target at a distance is a better show of a warrior's skill than chimping out and going melee.

Secondly melee tends to kill pilots a lot faster than any other kind of attack, and while there is definitely a point at which Clanners seek an honourable death in combat, generally they want to live and have a chance of earning a Bloodname.

>>82990795
ECM is way more generally useful and if you're in the right era with enough free crits allows the use of Stealth armour.

Beagle only matters if your opponent is a shipload who insists on the concealing record sheets rule or if you're playing double blind.
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>>82991090
The Owens does it wrong by hard mounting too much and using SHS.

Fixing it simple and doing it right is simple. Use DHS, don't hard mount anything.
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>>82991090
Took a swing at one myself.
40 tons, 7/11. Endo-Steel + XLF. 7 tons FF armor. 10 DHS. Guardian, Beagle, TAG, C3 Slave, Narc Launcher with 2 tons of shots. Only shootbang is a snub-nose PPC with a capacitor. No CASE

I wouldn't call that great, but it carries all the electronic junk specified and packs a head-capper while being heat neutral at a run.
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>>82990912
Yes, the filename being wrong is just a tradition at this point.
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>>82991302
It's an Albany expression.
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How many tons of ammo should you have for a Gauss rifle or two?
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>>82991318
Same as AC/10s, two for a single cannon and three to share.
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>>82991318
How many can you carry?
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>>82990973
HPG lore has made no sense at all for a long time. Black boxes should've effectively permanently ended the relevance of HPG blackouts. After the Jihad it makes no sense that the Houses and that faggot Stone didn't just march armed forces into HPG stations and give Comstar's employees a choice: teach their techs everything they know, or be tortured until they do it anyway or die.
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>>82991282
wtb Owens IIC
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>>82991336
Gauss rifles or tons of ammo?
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>>82991318
1 ton/gun: too little. Do not do this.
2 tons/gun: Ideal loadout. If you carry this you're gonna be fine most of the time.
3 tons/2 guns: If you need that extra ton, this is acceptable, but you should aim for 2 tons/gun.
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>>82990194

3D, but mostly the II and the IIC.
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>>82991341
Viper, Crimson Languar, Hellion, Arctic Cheetah.
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>>82991374
5 tons between two GRs is a good amount. 3 per gun let's you spam them like they were energy weapons even on low probability TNs.
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>>82992018
True. You really gotta build towards that though if you're gonna do it. This is one nice thing about the LGR: excellent ammo efficiency. One of the few things, really. That gun needs to be treated more as an AC/10 than a gauss rifle.

This brings us back to the XLFE discussion again. I'd be tempted to go with Thunderbolt-15s, which have a better tonnage efficiency even factoring in ammo than GRs, purely for the variety and indirect fire factor.
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>>82992071
Dont forget about its jawdropping range. You can outsnipe everything.
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>>82992121
Unless you're fighting Clanners. Don't try that cute shit with them.

I feel like it's a good annoy-o-tron gun on a mobile mech, provided you're ready to accept that it won't be a total killer. Ideally you're just juking for flank shots and griefing vees to annoy the opponent into peeling off more than it deserves to make it fuck off.
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The basic Jenner is the best light mech in TRO 3025, prove me wrong (you can't).
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>>82992171
If you're convinced, why post
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>>82992171
SRM or ML Javelin.
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>>82992171

Reminds me of how the Horde developer eventual had his concept work when his protegee did it with Jenners instead of bugmechs. A 35-ton 7-11 jumping lightmech that leans hard into medium laser is just a bit off of the curve. It should be compared against Assassins, not Wasps.
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>>82990277
The -2T it is a post-Jihad variant based on the Royal -2R.
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>>82992259
I'm a fan of the PPC Cicada, high speed and carries a 10 damage long range gun. Downside is it's technically a medium mech and that hurts it for organizational reasons. That and leg machineguns. I mean why.
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>>82992320
To make it easier to remove leg
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>>82992320

TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE A MARIK BORN OF MARIKS!
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>>82992320
>That and leg machineguns. I mean why.
Back in the day developers made deliberately retarded decisions on mechs so they'd be imperfect. It was a better time.
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>>82992320
You don't even have to execute Combine prisoners, either. They just gut themselves.
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>>82992700
>capture combine enemy
>"Okay, Takeshi. We're not that desperate at the moment so we're not going to torture you for infor- and he's already dead"
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>>82992837
>Takeshi from beyond the grave: look man this is less painful, I was pre-seppuku'd by my commanders before I even got here
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>>82992681
What's the thing with the Hellstar? Four PPCs with enough sinks to use them seems like a reasonable design for someone to shit out in universe eventually.
Warhawk still wins on looks though.
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>>82992938
It's armor maxed, it's reasonably fast, it has 4 headcappers and can alpha strike while moving. It's Gausszilla, except instead of being a thing made purely as an exercise in amusement it's something the developers actually decided should be a production machine.
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>>82992171
Jenner v Panther can go either way.

Whilst technically it's a little late to the party, the Wolfhound reliably shits on the Jenner as well.
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Occasional Blender kitbasher in for my yearly check-in, reminding everyone I still have the complete collection of Syllogy's MWO-style print-ready models, and have been slowly adding to the collection.

Next up on the to-build list are the Eris and the Doloire, after I finish bashing together some customs for the players of a campaign I'm hoping to run.

Have one of the PCs' commander's Atlas.

If anyone wants models from the collection I can drop them here.
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>>82992938
People are buttmad about Clan machines finally getting optimised usage of available technology, even though it happens literal decades after the IS did IC and IRL.

If you really want to make them whine, modify it for 5 LPLs and a TC.
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>>82992320
Is there any real reason by Ilkhan not to take Light PPC's with Capacitors over regular PPC's?
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>>82992956
I mean, yeah it is good, but I don't think one thoroughbred mech like this is gonna break the bank either.
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>>82993074
>modify it for 5 LPLs and a TC.
Warhawk C's been around forever.

>>82993091
ROF I imagine. Don't Cap'd PPCs only fire every other round or something?
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>Wars of Reaving happen
>Scorpions live
>Horses live
>Stone Lions are created
>Hellions even get to live kinda
>Coyotes get to live despite being the heart of the Society Uprising
>Blood Spirits die off completely

Why couldn't they keep a remnant of the Spirits alive?
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>>82993106
Oh well yeah, that's true, but for skirmishers types that's not a big deal.

If you're gonna run behind cover after shooting the Light PPC does the job better, though it does kind of force you into that playstyle.
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>>82993047
I wouldn't say 'reliably,' not with the firepower a Jenner can throw around. If it manages to hit it, sure. The big weakness of the Jenner isn't even its paper armor but the fact that to leverage its firepower it has to make overheat-and-retreat part of its MO. If it can't do that, it's gonna get blapped.

Really Jenners and Panthers make for natural partners.
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>>82992938

The giant cockpit in the front dead-center is what does it for me. Looks too much like an industrial mech.
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>>82993074
I just like the concept. It's simple and no bullshit, just lob some PPCs downrange. Like an Awesome.
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>>82993106

Indeed. And while 2 light PPCs with capacitors have the same effective sustained firepower of a normal PPC, they're 1 ton heavier, but have the option of frontloading the damage to force a PSR.
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>>82993152
On mechs with serious weight constraints it might be interesting, especially in pairs. That's eight vs fourteen tons, for the same critspace, and with base DHS you still have some heat budget left over for SRMs.
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>>82993180
The design could be better. Given the damage and weapon layout I'd be tempted to just use a Rifleman 3 as a model, because that thing looks great.
Reverse the legs and you're there.
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>>82992956
Boohoo people exist in universe who are capable of rubbing two brain cells together and making actually useful designs instead of putting gauss rifles in a mechs legs or some other retarded spheriod shit
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What are the best looking original introtech mech designs?
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>>82993213
>the legs are gauss rifles
>jumpjets
>DFA enemy mechs while firing the gauss rifles down on them
I don't see rhe problem
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>>82993235
>legs are gauss rifles
>jumpjets are gauss rifles
>roundhouse kicks enemy mechs and gauss-jumps away as they get shot
Pay me, Great Houses
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>>82993230

The 55 tonner trio, the Battlemaster, the Awesome, the Atlas, the Stalker, the Jaegermech
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>>82993259
>Quad mech so you can have four gauss legs
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>>82993259
Isn't there some rule where you can load anything magnetic into a gauss rifle and fire it with some risk of damage to the gauss rifle? There's got to be a creative use for it in this scenario.
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>>82993204
Yeah, I could see it on a skirmishing medium.

You could even run four of them, firing in bursts of two, then drop down to the regular 5 damage fire once the enemy armor is open and you can critseek.
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>>82993230
Mackie, both Crabs, Atlas, Commando, Dragon, Zeus, Awesome and I'm sure a good few I forget right now
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>>82993287
Urbanmechs are magnetic...
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>>82993074
[Rams ur mech with over a company's worth of vehicles]
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>>82990194
I got several.

5T is just awesoome, RAC/5 with Two Large Pulse Lasers, 2 Medium Pulse lasers and a target computer to make everything just awesome.

-1 with that RAC/5 and -3 with those Pulse Lasers just tasy.
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>>82993555
Don't use Urbies as ammo.
You can use Commandos instead.
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>>82993641
There are multiple gauss rifles. We can fire both.
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>>82993641
Or do use Urbies as ammo. And strip those Urbies down until they, too, can carry Gauss Rifles loaded with Gauss Urbies.
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>>82993555

Yes, and we use them for Naval Gauss Rifle ammunition in a pinch.
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>>82993322
I guess it might work?
Heat starts to be a problem running four; it's not as heat efficient due to capacitor charging.
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>>82993719
You don't need to sink 40 heat, you can just ripple fire for 20 heat/turn.
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>>82993719
>Heck

You know we're on an 18+ sight, you can call it the hellspark.
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>>82993741
Charging Capacitors still costs 5 heat, so that's actually sinked properly.

It is still however, better than most Marauders.
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>>82993059
what models are in the collection?
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>>82993741
You can either fire all four cap'd for 40 heat at a standstill for just the +8 then move on the recharge while cooling down, or volley fire two each while charged on the move and be heat-neutral. Or any combination.

I'm about to make a variant with only two that fills in the heat budget with off-cycle SRMs, so it slightly overheats then slightly cools each pair of rounds.

Also optimized a little more by adding five tons and moving some HS, which let me put hands on and get one more ton of armor.
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>>82993741
Someone told me that the Marauder 3R sucks and I'm like are "You're supposed to be firing your Marauder as such. You fire the mechs in salvos of 2 PPCs and your AC/5 then followed by just one 1 PPC and your AC/5 repeat until you kill your mech.
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>>82993872
Standard IS-only version and, since everyone has mixed clantech on their mechs in ilKhan, the SRM variant is a little fancier, geared more towards skirmishing than striking. They have about the same BV for ez force construction I guess.
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>>82993915
DESU the MAD-3R is noticeably worse than the Warhammer in it's role, despite being a gamechanging mech in universe.

Somehow the 2R also has this problem, despite having DHS.
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>>82993132
wasn't there resentment at the blood spirit fans or something?
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>>82993059
Be my guest Anon. The more models there are free in the net, the better.
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>>82994054
The Awesome works pretty much the same, Fire 3 PPCs followed by 2. Repeat till you either kill the mech or your mech gets cored.
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>>82993132

Same reason they killed off the Steel Vipers completely.

Adders gotta win.
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>>82994190
Yeah but the Awesome can do it while moving without fucking itself up.

So can the Warhammer for that matter.
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>>82993132
I think having some vestige blood spirits lingering around would undercut their defiant last stand ending. I find the idea of the spirits fighting like mad men to the last man, woman and child to be pretty damn cool and a subset of people who fled is is like following the portion of the clan that didn't do the interesting heroic thing.
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best speedy light mech other than the holy grail the locust
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>>82994415
foxfire
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>>82993779
>>82994136
Pic related is all of Syllogy's models I have, which I think is damn near all of them.

I have made additional mechs using his stock;
>Owens
>Thunder Fox (all variants)
>Uziel 8S
>Rabid Coyote (works as both variants)
In-progress:
>Doloire
>Eris
Other stuff I made:
>an R10 ICV with an Arrow IV in the podspace
>Sneed's Rifleman

I can zip up the whole pack if there's somewhere convenient for me to upload it for you all.
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>>82994543
you know you can find his models on my mini factory for free right?
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>>82994543
Dude post a pic of the Owens, I wanna see it
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>>82994543
I'll take that Owens, if you're still offering.
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>>82994613
Nope, did not know. I'll see if he's made any more that aren't in my collection, thanks.

>>82994624
>>82994637
how can I get the STL itself to you? Cheeky rename to PDF doesn't seem to work, nor does a ZIP.
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does any one know if there's a book that has all of the special pilot abilities in one convenient place?

>>82994751
You'll probably have to save it to someplace like dropbox and post a link here
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>>82994751
Throw it on mega or something?
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>>82994854
Mega sells user info. CGL is a known buyer of such.
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>>82993213
>people who are capable of rubbing two brain cells together
That certainly doesn't apply to the furry cultists whose' society is built on lies and utopian visions.
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>>82994829
Campaign Ops.
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>>82994973
Seethe, spheroid
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>>82994829
>>82994854
mega folder g01GRYLJ # 0k0ahZoVJClGLaOJcMe3QQ
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>>82995024
Thanks dude.
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>>82994991
>sacrifice an entire clan and nuke civilians just to legitimize your vision
clanners are pathetic
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>>82993209


Personally I prefer the chicken legs, it reminds me of the Warhawk. I do see where you are going though.
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>>82995077
>civilians
non-combatants*, and as such, they are DEZGRA
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Any idea what color scheme Nicholas Kerensky's Atlas II was? I just picked one up and I'd like to make it lore accurate. I have Aleksandr Kerensky's Orion and Dechavilier's Atlas painted up in SLDF olive, but I'm not sure how Nicholas' mech was colored.
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>>82991339
Pretty sure they DO know how they operate, the problem is that the HPGs just don't work because some sort of super HPG that apparently exists somewhere? But hasn't been turned off? Or something?
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>>82995054
np, hope you enjoy them. I'll drop a post here when I add the Doloire and Eris.
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>>82995162
sick tape deck torso
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>>82995174
It can fit three LAMs, 2 industrialmechs, and a quad in there.
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Give me one (1) reason I shouldn't bring a Schreck at 0/5 instead of an Awesome-8Q at 4/5 for the same price.
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>>82995272
Punching.
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>>82995189
I'm unfamiliar with those units of measurements. How many Urbanmechs is that?
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>>82995308
like 5 and half urbies, seven if you are a master at tetris
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>>82995281
>he wants to get into melee range
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>>82995272

An LB2X will crit the shreck to death while the same amount of shots at the awesome will sandblaster some armor away.
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>>82995338
You're not going to be running away at 3/5.
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>>82995272
Because it can't survive that attention it's going to get.
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>>82995272
maneuverability
durability
kicking and punching
less likely to receive debilitating crits
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKRkAEjjhpE
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>>82994132
No. Like Tuariantards, Beartards and Sunstards (ie, the problem fans, not necessarily the whole fanbase) there is a section that claims such, but the Spirits were never a strong faction or plot relevant.
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>>82995272
We're fighting on an airless moon.
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>>82995272
Honestly, you should bring the Schreck. Sure it's going to get a lot of attention, but having a 0 gunner over a 4 gunner is a gigantic shift in the amount of effective firepower it puts out. Hitting on 8s, the Awesome lands 3 PPCs every 2 turns or so. The Schreck hits on 4s in the same circumstance, which is functionally almost an autohit. Additionally, you can use the Schreck and the fact it's got a 360 turret to fuck up and bullshit light Mech shennanigans. You know, like the fuckers jumping around expecting to be hit only on 12s or 13s. Any Mech which can do that is going to have fuckall for armor and for firepower, and one decent hit from the Schreck will fuck that light Mech up bad. Let the Schreck sit back and watch the rear arcs of your brawlers, dare the opfor to jump into their rear arc, and then wreck them with PPC hits. And if they're shooting at your Schreck, then they aren't stopping your brawlers from getting up close and doing their job.

A 4 point gunnery shift is absolutely insane on a 2d6 scale, <particularly> in a 3025 era game, and it allows you to hard counter to "super tactical" fuckwits who think that high TN to be hit is the end-all for Battlemech combat.
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>>82996077
combat engineers up some half-height terrain and hull-down, too.
>high TN to be hit is the end-all
No; high TN to be hit, staying at range with accuracy boosts, and Narrow/Low Profile is the end-all.

Speaking of bouncing bastards, yet another reason to take LBs. I've also recently disovered the joy of spread-fire on cluster.
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>>82994302
Yeah, having two fewer heat sinks than what your main guns can generate is a lot better than four or five like the Marauder. The armor and range means it's firing all game long, though. That helps make up for it.
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>>82995308
>>82995316
It's just a Transformers ref.
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>>82993180
But it IS an industrial mech, for industrial scale killing. Helps it is ammo independent.
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First round of a commander duel, needless to say, I was the better (or luckier) pilot.
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>>82996077
Doesn't the Schreck have fuck all armour?
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>>82996746
about 20 points in most of the frontal arc
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>>82996782
Thats vedetta tier
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Why would you ever wan a Gausszilla instead of an Annihilator C2? Or is the canon Gausszilla intended for an era after the Clan Gauss Rifle, but before the CERPPC was invented so if you wanted that 5th 15 pointer you needed another Gauss?
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>>82996788
There is a tougher heavy ferro version.
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>>82990466
The main reason Clans don't like melee is an out of universe one: the writers didn't want to follow the usual cliche of the proud warrior-race guys liking to use melee weapons even in a setting with advanced guns.
In universe, it's probably a combination of Clan training regime being heavily based on the SLDF gunslinger program, which focused on training expert marksmen and duelists, and Clan weapons having long enough range and damage potential to make melee a rarity. With IS mechs, especially introtech ones, comparatively shorter range and damage output means fight will often end up in a melee even if neither side specifically planned for it simply because the mechs will end up getting close enough to each other that melee attacks are a viable way to deal extra damage. Clan mechs on the other hand should be able to destroy the opponent long before they can get to melee range.
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>>82996867
Honestly a fun bit of lore still
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>>82995107
That is why I would keep them, I also prefer them on most mechs. I just mean I would proportion it more like the Rifleman 3. Or the Warhawk for that matter but it's layout and design as is is closer to the 3.
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This is peak Fire Mandril design
>huge lbx cannons
>ass mounted lasers, so you can kill clanner while showing off your colorfull mandrill ass
>3 racks of lrm5 instead of one lrm15, just how simians prefer
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>>82996925
>3 racks of lrm5 instead of one lrm15
fucking powergamers
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>>82996867
I don't care. It's a stupid bit of lore.
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>>82996782
>>82996810
This is why I'd go an Awesome though.
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>>82996961
Cope and mald, secondary faggot.
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>>82996972
But it also has AMS! I agree though, stuff gets espensive. On the other hand, I believe they can fire their 3 PPCs every turn wheras the standard Awesome can not. Combine this with the mentioned digging in that is possible for a tank and you get advantages that an awesome does not have. I do like the idea of having two Schrecks and some mechanised infantry with AC10/LBX10 field guns camped somewhere and daring enemies to attack my magical fortress. Seems fun to hold/deny an area and force the enemy to approach. Better done with LRM carriers though.
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>>82991002
>BAP is solely for detecting hidden units. If you're not playing with hidden units it's deadweight.
There are advanced rules for it to act like a tarcomp for units in wooded hexes, so not completely.
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>>82997033
That sounds cool, terrorise infantry with Beagle and SPLs.
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>>82993132
>>82994310
There's evidence they weren't wiped out to the last man, though as far as we know their entire warrior caste was wiped out. The Adders didn't actually bother pursuing their civilians much, just bombed all the cities and called it a day. There were some DropShips attempting to escape the planet a few months later, which implies the Adders weren't all that thorough in searching for survivors if they managed to miss multiple DropShips. It's also mentioned that the planet still shows minimal signs of life, and Adders send patrols to the system just in case the Spirits somehow manage a resurgence but are convinced any survivors will just die on the planet. Of course narrative causality tends to point that if you say "we won't have to bother to go kill them all ourselves because they're surely going to die down there", that's the exact opposite of what happens. It's like how somebody saying "nobody could have survived that" actually means there's 99% chance said character did survive.
There's also the who thing with the Green Ghosts suddenly starting to wield mechs with what looks like a combination of Blood Spirit and Goliath Scorpion logo around the time the Scorps got kicked out of the Homeworlds but before the Spirits were annihilated, but that's a whole other can of worms.

>>82994132
Did the Spirits even have real fans? I mean, /btg/ likes them because Clan "Hippity Hoppity, Get off My Property" is funny, but they're only of the Homeworld nobodies that only ever got lore in the field manual and were ignored by pretty much everybody.
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>>82996810
Wouldn't it have made way more sense to remove the single-heatsinks and replace them with double-heatsinks, saving 15 tons for the same heat capacity?

Still annoys me that the canon refit of the Awesome isn't double heatsinks and 4 ppcs.
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>>82995162
Here's a picture of Nicky K's Atlas from the Battletech Legends book.
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>>82997058
>Still annoys me that the canon refit of the Awesome isn't double heatsinks and 4 ppcs.
But it is?
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>>82997067
>With only his pulse lasers remaining, Nicholas charged the Irregular's commander and used his armored battle fists to pound the bandit Pillager to scrap
Not onyl was Kerensky a freebirth, he also used dezgra melee attacks! Why do the Clans worship this guy again?
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>>82997045
About your last question: when I got into BT with MWO 7+ years ago and was pointed towards Sarna to check out the Clans and see which one I liked. Steel Vipers for invader clans, Spirits for Homeworld Clans. The Grogs in the Regiment chuckled and joked about me liking dead Clans.
Probably don’t count as I wasn’t into BT when my opinions could have mattered.
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>>82997067
And what about Exterminator of the other Kerensky and its colors? Pic related?
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>>82997095
No.

AWS-9M was the 3049-3050 refit. XL engine and 3ERPPCs

You're thinking of the AWS-9T that came out in 3057.

You're thinking of the
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>>82997103
It's like how the South gets cancelled for being slave owners and seditionists, but the Founding Father's statues stand unmoved.
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>>82997247
>but the Founding Father's statues stand unmoved.
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>>82997103
First, you get a pass when you are the legendary founder.
Second it was a against a bandit, unworthy of honourable treatment.
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>>82997254
That's more about americans replacing their idols and creation myths than anything the statues represent.
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>>82997151
I believe the Exterminator on the cover of the Operation Klondike book is supposed to be Andery's. It's white with the Star League symbol on its chest.
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Clan and IS missile launchers use the same ammo, right?
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>>82997854
Yes and no. Strategic Ops says you can load missiles of either in either launcher, except IS LRMs have minimum range while Clan missiles have none.

So they missiles that are compatible but IS missiles retain their low tech drawbacks.
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>>82997930
Is the reverse true then? Just use clan ammo and get rid of the min?
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>>82997959
Yes. The minimum range is inherent to the missiles. There's hotloading rules where IS missiles are loaded and fired armed to remove the minimum range.
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>>82997959
Remember that Clanners don't have to pay for their missiles, but you do.
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>>82997247
I'm not even from the USA and I know they destroyed plenty of people than wasn't from the south, like spanish conquistadors, founding fathers or even Churchill.
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>>82998098
not if you get all ammo expenses paid on ur contract ;) unless there's a subclause that says nothing from the Sea Foxes is covered.
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>>82998098
How is paying for clanner ammo real nigga just go there and slap them in one on one duel then take everything they own.
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>>82998301
Clanners can be shiftier than you think. You challenge them to a trial of possession for the contents of the ammo depot, but then when you win it's all IS LRMs slated for disposal. "Neg, there was no deceit commander. You never requested details on the origin of the missiles."
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>Goliath Scorpion warriors fight for the Burrock bloodname Moreau because it's the same name as their first loremaster despite the founder being completely unrelated to said first loremaster (whose genes weren't even allowed in the breeding program)

This is meant to make them seem a little odd, right? It seems obsessive compulsive and a little autistic on their part.
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>>82999076
i think OCD + Autism are the first genes they shoot into every Goliath Scorpion iron womb
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>>82999076
They honour him by at least putting his name into their breeding program.
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>>82999076
>It seems obsessive compulsive and a little autistic on their part.
Clanners being Clanners.
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>>82999076
You are talking about a culture that considers "getting serious" about an argument going and putting on a bird costume.
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>>82999076
IIRC Nova Cats had a kind of similar thing going on, where the person credited with shaping the Clan to what it would become by introducing the mystic traditions wasn't actually one of the original 800 bloodnamed, and while they do have a bloodname with the same name it actually comes from one of her relatives.
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>>82999562
Some literally dress as actual Cobra Commander as well.
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>>82997103
>Julius Caesar invaded Gaul without a single convoy of supply trucks and no AWACs
>What a guy fucktard, how can he possibly be regarded as a great general when he didn't have stuff that developed after his death
I'm not sure if you're a moron or if this is sufficiently advanced shitposting.

>>82997854
No. Not even SRMs despite them having the same range profile, though personally I ignore that with SRMs, MGs, GRs, and LB-10Xs. The minimum range is also a factor of both the launcher and the munitions, not that it matters since the ammo is incompatible.
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>>82997247
Untrue, they even destroy statuea of immigrants that signed up because they were convinced abolitionists.2pp8a
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>>82997930
You can't just throw them in, but your techs can convert them with a penalty to the roll.

>>82999076
You can use male genes matrileneally, it's how the Bloodnames from male founders even exist.

But to be eligible for bloodnames what they would do is trial for Molly Moreau (or whomever's) legacy and right to fight for a bloodname, then blend hers with Ethan Moreau's. They might then want to keep breeding in Ethan's genes until you get near clonal individuals.

>in b4 muh genetic defects
Embryos are checked for those so not an issue.
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>>82999807
>2pp8a
Orders received.
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>Commando-1D, Wolfhound-1A, Sentinel-3L, Phoenix Hawk-1
>Griffin-1N, Hollander, Enforcer-4R, Thunderbolt-5S
>Warhammer-6K, Zeus-6A, Axman-1N, Highlander-732
Anything wrong with this as a Steiner company?
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>>82999911
Not in particular. Enforcer is more Davion, if you are playing in an era with hollanders just take Enfield instead. Its pretty much the same thing
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>>83000004
I know it's not optimal in the least but I love that gun with legs
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>>82999762
That's not really the same thing. It's about Kerensky declaring that melee attacks are dishonorable and shouldn't be used when he himself was using melee attacks. And also Clan ideology being that every new generation of warriors is better than the old ones and trueborn in particular are superior to freeborn, yet still venerating Kerensky as closest thing they have to a god despite by their own logic he should be inferior to even the shittiest modern sibko dropout due to being both a freeborn and probably hundreds of generations out of date.
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>>83000039
No I mean take Enfield not because it is better, but because it is the same base mech as Enforcer but with lyran spin.
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>>82996948
there's a sunder with like 5-7 lrm5s and like 5-6 thunderbolt 5s.
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>>83000171
Ooooh, okay, that makes sense. I'll consider proxying the Enforcer I have as one then.
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>>83000136
The point of the Clans' honor rules is to establish a system of armed combat that doesn't spiral into MAD. No one cares if Kerensky mauled a bunch of bandits because the bandits exist outside the system and are probably dezgra trash themselves.
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>>83000171
>Enforcer but with lyran spin.

Large Pulse laser makes it more of an escort mech for your Lyran steel wall. At max, you're going to use that additional bit of ground movement to run something down that could threathen your assaults in the very near future.

For those that want a cavalry mech, there always is the END-6J, which is basically the love child between a Enforcer 4D and a Chameleon.
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>>83000136
Nicholas didn't say shit about that. Zellbrigen wasn't codified until long after his death.

And while his genes may not be as good as a modern warrior's, that doesn't mean his skills were worse, nor does it detract from his achievements.
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>>82995272
Because the Schreck is forced to take eleven thousand tons of single heat sinks per vehicle construction rules.
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>>82994310
I agree, but I also didn't feel like they got a proper last stand. Having the planet "rip itself in half" kinda felt like a rocks fall you die lmao moment from the writers. Gave the impression of being swept under the rug rather than a true resolution.

Spirits, if they were doomed to die, should have died under the gun like proper Clanners, not being trapped in a dozen highly conveniently timed hyper-quakes, IMO.
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>>82999576
It's an interesting case. By winning the Rosse bloodname, Sandra Rosse left her genetic identity within it with the next generation of sibkos, making it de facto descended from her and Anna Rosse after the first generation.

The Moreau case is a total non-relation, which makes it weirder.
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>>82999824

Ethan Moreau was explicitly kept out of the genetic program entirely, anon
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>>83000545
>Spirits, if they were doomed to die, should have died under the gun like proper Clanners, not being trapped in a dozen highly conveniently timed hyper-quakes, IMO.
Most of them did. Of the two planets in the Colleen system Honor suffered a supervolcano eruption but Haven, their capital, was fine. They lost most of Honor's civilian population but most of their surviving touman was on Haven, and the Cloud Cobras helped most of the surviving warriors on Honor to relocate to Haven in preparation for the final stand against the Adders. The Spirit Touman the faced the Adders in open battle, fighting to the last warrior,with no quarter asked or given. Then their civilians continued fighting and buried the Adder loremaster under a collapsing building, at which point Adders said "fuck it" and bombed all the cities from orbit and fucked off.

Though I admit it's pretty bad writing that you just happen to have a massive volcanic eruption that renders one of the two planets in the system uninhabitable just before the battle with the Adders. It's not like the Adders, with the biggest touman in the Homeworlds, woul've needed a deus ex machina to defeat the Spirits, who had IIRC 3 galaxies, one of which was literally two clusters cobbled together from two disbanded galaxies.
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What if Nicholas Kerensky had endeavored to make sure the clans were less furry conventions and more expy's of self-contained SLDF mech divisions like the Star Adders are?

Would they have rolled the Inner Sphere completely during Revival?

Or would it have led to more Wolverine-style rebellions over the decades?

Was the furry attitude necessary to keep the clans together?
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>>82999826
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>>83000672
> It's not like the Adders, with the biggest touman in the Homeworlds, woul've needed a deus ex machina to defeat the Spirits

Exactly. There just wasn't a need for the earthquakes as a plot point, and its inclusion really removed a lot of the suspension of disbelief for me, to the point where sometimes I wonder if the writers were trying to send a more personal message to any Blood Spirit fans beyond "yall dead now".

>also i am a gigantic byzantiboo so the secret hope of the blood siprits finally refounding a "true vision" of the clans free of Nicholas' anti-brain retardism yet burned within my heart, even as they died. :(
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>>82997058
Vehicles can't use dhs.
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>>83000697
Per author fiat, the furryism was indeed necessary, as the old Spheroid identities were tearing the Clans apart even as they formed. A new culture to replace the old was required, and spess furry was what he happened to choose.

Was that the only possible solution? I would argue not. If he had not intentionally pitted the Clans against each other forever chasing "honor" (and definitely not to keep them too preoccupied skirmishing to have time to truly shatter), I would posit that they would definitely have smashed the shit out of the Sphere.

Had they come rolling back in as a mostly-united SLDF without constantly backstabbing each other and having to halt the entire invasion when one 5-star general got Allahu Snackbarred in space, they would have reached Terra. Eventually the Sphere would drown them in bodies (assuming they didn't give up and accept the SLDF reborn), but the Clans would have pushed forward quickly enough to prevent the sphere re-teching in time.
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Ive seen that the Highlander is kinda shit in TT, is that just across the whole model line true or just for the AC/20 and PPC variants?
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>>83000803
Adders and Spirits show that you can still have a clan identity without going full furry (Spirits don't even have a totem animal, and while Adders do use the Kerensky-mandated ceremonial fursuits during grand council meetings they don't really worship their totem animal and treat the snake more like a mascot or division symbol).
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>>82999076
the goliath scorpions are the most austistic and compulsive of clans, they absorved a good part of Eridadni light horse because they were "living relics" of the star league era, they are also the best clan
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>>83000849
That's a big part of why I like the Spirits, yeah.

Like I said, the furryism was deemed necessary by author choice, not because it was inherently necessary. At least, I feel like that's a key distinguishing factor we should take into account.
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>>83000836
Paying 2 tons for jump jets is pretty painful math-wise. 100 tonners can kiiiiinda get away with it by virtue of just having more mass to spend, but 90 tons is rough because just by going to 85 tons for a Highlander instead (assuming you MUST keep the jets), you immediately save three tons which nearly makes up for the 5 ton mass loss in and of itself.

Same reason I wouldn't put 5 jets on a Dragon, but I'd cram them into a Wolvering or a Griffin all day every day, that jet tonnage breakpoint makes a big difference.
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>>83000888
I'm not sure that's a road we want to go down to ("the authors wanted it to be this way" vs "it had to be this way") because that's how we end up questioning the very existence of Battlemechs. It's a fictional setting: everything is fiat in the end, the question is whether you like it or not.
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>>82998630
What did you do, try to paint white directly over the green?
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>>83000836
Highlander is like assault class shadow hawk.
Undergunned, diverse arsenal, surprisingly good performance.
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>>83000646
No, he just wasn't Bloodnamed.

Being Bloodnamed all but guarantees your genes will be used in the breeding program (sufficient disgrace, questions about EI, or discovery of genetic flaws can also keep someone out) but conversely you don't have to be Bloodnamed to have your genes used.

The key is just that, in order to be able to compete for a Bloodname, the matrileneal DNA has to come from the right bloodline.

Different Clans also play by different rules- the Wolves declared Phelan eligible for the Ward bloodname based on his being related to a different branch of the Ward family and the Falcons allowed someone whose mother wasn't even a Warrior to compete for a Bloodname. If you can beat enough ass the rules no longer apply.

To date the Scorpions couldn't beat enough ass but now they have the Imperio it's a bit odd that they didn't finally just go "Fuck you! I am creating Blood House Moreau! And it will have hookers, blackjack, and LSD-laced Necrosia, too!"
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>>83000849
It's kind of funny that Spirits and Adders share a lot of similarities. Both have a strong espirit de crops between the warriors and lower castes, both are less furry than standard, and both have a similar combination of strict adherence to Clan honor combined with pragmatism. Spirits supporting the Adders' motion to have the Burrocks subjected to trial of absorption was also what allowed the motion to pass.
In another timeline they two Clans could've become allies due to their similarities and the Adders destroying the Spirts' main rival/Spirits supporting the Adders' motion to have the Burrocks absorbed. But unfortunately the Spirit khan destroyed any chance of that when she went on an autistic meldown about how it wasn't fair that the Adders and not her Clan got to absorb the Burrocks (despite Adders being the ones who brought the whole idea before the grand council in the first place), and instead of even trying to declare a trial for the right to carry the absorption as would be proper according to the Clan way, decided to just wait until the absorption started and then attack both sides.
Everything that goes wrong with the Spirits from 3050s to their final destruction can be summed with "local woman ruins everything".
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>>83000990
>No
Actually he was

Read Field Manual Warden Clans, Nicholas allows Ethan to join his society but he's left out of the genetic program.

>Ethan Moreau (born 2747 - died 2851) was a Star League Defense Force officer and Gunslinger who would stay behind on the Pentagon Worlds during Nicholas Kerensky's Second Exodus. After a show of great contrition he would be forgiven by the Ilkhan and allowed to join the Clans. He would rise to be the first Loremaster of Clan Goliath Scorpion within two years of his adoption, though he would never be allowed to have his genes added to the Clans' eugenics program.
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>>83000697
Don't conflate muh furries with simple human nature.

The ultimate reason so few Clans invaded was because the Jags and Falcons didn't want to be sharing power and prestige with others, nor risk being knocked off the top slot. They also didn't feel that podunk ass broke as shit Clans like the Spirits or Hellions deserved the chance at glory and set things up to keep them out of the invasion.

In the real world colonial powers did exactly the same thing, and that includes colonial powers in the last decade. Oh, I'm sorry, "colonial" since we now pretend that despite acting the same way for the same reasons there is somehow a meaningful distinction.
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>>83001023
And the same GS entry makes it clear they want the Moreau Bloodright so that they can introduce his genes to the breeding program and correct that oversight, so what's your point?
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>>83001076
it doesn't say that at all, where did you make that up from?
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>>83000990
There were no different rules. Phelan shared a bloodright as proven by genetic testing, and Diana was a warrior born of two trueborn warriors
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Its weird there is no poorfag Exterminator variant that just mounts stealth armor on 4A.
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>>83001091
>Scorpions tard rage for over 200 years trying to get a Bloodright
>This is in no way related to them wanting to correct the oversight of Ethan not being in the breeding program
Come the fuck on, anon.

>>83001114
Phelan was descended from the Ward house founder's daughter, but it could be argued she was not Clan and that he should not be eligible, especially since his mother was not a Clan warrior. The fact he was created in a Dragoon iron womb counted a bit in his favour too. At the end of the day the authors wanted him to have a Bloodname so badly he wound up with two.

Diana should have been excluded on the basis of Peri not being a Warrior as well, but the Falcons wanted an heir to Aidan's legend and did what they always do.

Political considerations were key in both cases and custom was bent like a pretzel both times.
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>>83001244
>claims the same entry says something it doesn't
>"c-come on, anon"
That's kind of pathetic, tbqh anon

Stop making shit up, ok?
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>>83001244
Customs may have been bent but they didn't break the rules and both bore up under challenge attempts.

Literally completely unrelated from a Field Manual outright saying a person's genes weren't included in the breeding program.
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>>83001261
I am like 90% sure it says that's the reason they were trialling for it in the FM but if you are legitimately so dense you can't make the connection as to why they keep trialling for the genes and bloodright then you do you.

Because what is the point otherwise? If you really think that there's no point because the other Moreau is unrelated and there's literally no other reason for the Clans to give a shit about a surname.
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>>83001308
The >name< itself is considered sacred, the FM makes no mention of Ethan Moreau's genes except to say they were >not< included in the breeding program.

How fucking autistic are you, bro? If you're so certain the FM means to say the opposite of what is written down, go ask on the OF about it. Jesus lol.
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>>83000803
I think that if you're living in a world where the Clans get to lose all their sectarianism you have to do the same thing to the Inner Sphere, and in that case they invade to face a second star league formed of an oligarchy of the Great Houses with no first lord backed and overseen by Comstar.

Remember, if you give Frodo a Lightsaber...
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>>83000803
>but the Clans would have pushed forward quickly enough to prevent the sphere re-teching in time.
I honestly can't believe that. Not when it took an entire Galaxy to take out a single RCT, or when the performance on Tukayyid showed that with a reasonable amount of preparation IS Mechs were able to take out Clan Mechs on a 1 to 1 basis. The Clans never really had a real advantage, and it was pretty much only fiat that let them progress as far as they did.
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>>83001393
They had a warship advantage
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>>83001357
>if you give Frodo a Lightsaber...
...you get an objectively better movie than anything Peter Hackson ever shat out.
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>>83001407
Warships die to nukes. The Clans warships are entirely a paper tiger. If they'd started using them the IS would have nuked them into oblivion. Which they should have done anyway, but hey, writer fiat strikes again.
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>>83001421
If Inner Sphere throws nukes then the clans throw nukes back and they have more
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>>83001414
Can you prove that?
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>>83001421
>Which they should have done anyway, but hey, writer fiat strikes again.
Yeah, turns out Fallout across a million unconnected worlds is less entertaining than giant robots duking it out.
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>>83001457
Speak for yourself. If it gets rid of the Clans, it can only be a net positive.
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>>83001476
Anon, the Clans are older than you. Let it go.
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>>83001308
/btg/ has been getting really autistic about this shit lately.

Like if a book says that faction A raided faction B for water purifier parts, you're not allowed to then infer that faction A wanted to purify water (or possibly to stop faction B to hurt them logistically, might depend on the context). All you're allowed to say is that they raided for parts because otherwise you'll get shrieked at for saying something the text doesn't explicitly state.

Which is fucking moronic, but again, this is /btg/ so I'm probably just repeating myself.
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>>83001496
>Like if a book says that faction A raided faction B for water purifier parts, you're not allowed to then infer that faction A wanted to purify water (or possibly to stop faction B to hurt them logistically, might depend on the context). All you're allowed to say is that they raided for parts because otherwise you'll get shrieked at for saying something the text doesn't explicitly state.
Yes, and?

If the writers want to say something, they'll say it. You don't get to make up your own interpretation of events and call it canon. Canon is what the writers say, period.
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>>83001496
are you new to fandoms anon
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>>83001531
the wiki age was a mistake
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>>83001496
Alternatively, if the book flat-out says faction A didn't want to purify water you probably can't infer that they did and should just cope with the book not saying what you wish it did.

This obsession is really sad.
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>>83001436
Yes, but the Clans have less things that need to be nuked to cripple them.

That said, nobody in the setting is ever going to use nukes as anything other than a designated antagonist weapon, because if they did you would have jump infantry with nuclear panzerfausts that would just make Mechs completely irrelevant.
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>>83001558
But that's what they SHOULD HAVE DONE. In ALL CAPS for emphasis.
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>>83001544
So was Battletech.
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>>83001626
Giant robots are fun, anon
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>>83001393
The Clans only needed a reinforced Cluster to give an RCT a drubbing, sometimes not even that. The Vipers routed two RATS and a normal Regiment with something like four Clusters.

Using Galaxies was a decision the Wolves made to speed things up in later waves (IIRC it starts after the Year of Peace, maybe with Tamar- the WCSB has a bit about the change in approach) and the Falcons followed suit.

Tukayyid is also a major outlier. Focht did near SL mega-engineering in certain regions, ran the whole show from a LosTech bunker, and was at the second best military leader tier on top of the Crusader Clans tripping over themselves to make the dumbest decisions possible. The Clans never performed that badly before or since.

Until 3058, the Clans only lost to the IS four times (Twycross, Luthien, Wolcott, Tukayyid) out of hundreds of battles. Half of those wins happen after Showers dies as well, which gave the IS an opportunity to prepare much better to face the Clans.

>>83001421
Nukes (and the ASF that carry them) are far, far less dangerous in the fluff than they are on the tabletop. It's a rules/lore segregation issue.

In the novels pilots shit themselves with dread at the thought of flying against a WarShip and nuclear attacks rarely succeed, as the Jihad amply shows.

On the tabletop you can fuck up most Destroyers with three or so Squadrons of heavy fighters and the only ship that doesn't have to worry about nukes is the Leviathan II/III. Total disconnect.
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>>82990194
5M, I loev me a good brawler.
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>>83001547
The book just says that his genes weren't used then. The context of the entry is for early Clan history.

A lot of shit has changed since then. ASF are no longer centrally assigned, vees have been removed from most Clusters, some Clans no longer exist, entirely new Trials were created.
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Can battlemechs strafe?
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>>83001544
the ACKSHUALLY guy was always around anon especially in message boards. the wikis just gave people confidence in knowing the essentials, the trivial dick waving youre upset about is normal.
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>>83001737
only quad ones
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>>83001737
What the fuck do you mean by
>strafe?
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>>83001737
sup /m/
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>>83001724
It doesn't add a time, it flat out says his genes would not be added to the breeding program.

If that had changed, don't you think it would have been mentioned?

Goddamn the obsession is real lol
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>>83001759
Yes
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>>83001752
Sidestepping.
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>>83001737
Quads and Tripods can under standard rules, two-legged ones can with advanced rules.
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>>83001763
There are two ways to read it based on the "never."

One is that as part of his adoption into the Clan there was a direct prohibition on him being included in the breeding program, at all, ever, until the end of time.

The second is that when he joined the Clan he wasn't a Bloodname founder and so was never a part of the breeding program. However in the centuries since, Ethan's importance and legend grew to the point the Scorpions wanted the Moreau Bloodname so that they could back door both the entry of his genes into the program and the foundation of an effective Bloodhouse for him like they feel he should have had.

Contextually the latter interpretation makes more sense, but it requires the reader to be able to use context clues to deduce meaning, which is a more advanced skill and requires the reader to have a modicum of intelligence.
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>>83001942
Quads can do that, and there is a perk your pilot can use to sidestep in a bipedal mech if you are using rpg rules.
So yeah, they can.
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>>83001558
>jump infantry with nuclear panzerfausts
Starship troopers strategy game when?
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How much do you hate your techs to make them paint a detailed wooded skyline on something thats gonna get it shot/worn off every time it goes outside
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>>83001737
Effectively yes, you just turn back to your initial heading at the end of your lateral movement or torso twist to the same heading. Movement rules aren't granular enough to give a shit about that stuff so you are free to describe it that way.
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>>83001972
>There are two ways to read it based on the "never."
whatever helps you cope best, anon

it's sad when you're playing mind games to interpret an absolute statement, but it seems like you need this lol
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>>83001996
sup
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>>82997067
Sweet, thanks. Isn't that AC on his right arm an AC20 in the picture? Or is that really what an LBX looks like?
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>>83002089
Dont think too hard about weapon looks and sizes in battletech. Its a way to madness.
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>>83001972
>>83002024

Ok you two, I went and asked on the Official Forum. We'll get a ruling one way or the other.
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Tried my hand at converting up a Sidewinder.
For some reason the goofy thing's design has always interested me.
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>modder group actively working on clan invasion mod for MW5
>uploads thumbnail sized screen shots and fuck all for relevant info to nexus page
>tells people to just join their discord instead
>spends more time telling people to join their discord/WE DO IT FOR FREE than it would take to just fix the screenshots and put some more info

why are modders like this
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>>83002113
Yeah. Reason I ask is because I've got the metal mini and it comes with both the gatling gun looking arm and the single barrel autocannon which looks like an LBX. Just figuring out which one to put on it.

Not for WYSIWYG, but more for a display figure.
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>>83002079
>... to the everlasting glory of the infantry, shines the name, shines the name of Rodger Young!
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>>83002286
Discord cultists.
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>>83001972
If Kerensky specifically said they couldn't use Ethan's genes for a breeding program, I find it unlikely the Scorpions would still have his DNA saved up. Risk of being discovered for violating his orders like that would likely to have been too great.
I find it more likely they wanted to Moreau bloodname for sentimental reasons. That even if they couldn't use Ethan's genes they could still honor his memory by having warriors carry his name, even if that name wasn't actually tied to his genes.
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>>83002355
>>83002079
Reminder that the Fusilier is an RPG suit.
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>>83002325
I think the gatling gun is supposed to be the LBX and the other gun is the gauss rifle from the other variant of the mech. I thought they might have been a version that uses UAC or RAC, which are often depicted with a rotary barrel and they just used the picture of that in the book (while the book has custom models for some character's mechs, most just use the picture of the stock variant even if the description of the mech indicates its a different variant), but apparently that's not the case. There's the standadr variant with LBX in the right arm and two ER large lasers on the left and a variant that swaps them for a gauss rifle in the right arm and ERPPC in the left. Kerensky and Devlin Stone also had custom variants, with Kerensky keeping the same loadout but with Clantech weapons and Stone having a more extensive customization but also not having an RAC or UAC.
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>>83000927
I painted the area fist with a light gray basecoat, but even then I needed multiple layers of white, and despite thinning the paint it still ended up somewhat blobby in parts.
At least they look fine on the tabletop. You have to look them pretty close for the unevenness to show. Still a pain in the ass to do and I wish I could've done it better.
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>>83002566
You would be correct. That was my bad, I thought I read somewhere that a variant had an AC or UAC 20. But yeah, there's either an LBX10 or a gauss rifle.

Thanks!
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>>83001547
This is more like saying Faction B was hoarding spare water purifier parts just to keep them away from Faction A.
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>>83002788
the water purifier analogy isn't very accurate to begin with is why
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>>83001666
referring to the published numbers relating to Battletech - virtually any published number - is simply the noise of autism. It means nothing and only leads to more questions, stupid conclusions, and things that make no sense.
This has been proven over and over and over again.
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>>83002832
Fuck you our water purrifiers are very accurate
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>>83003002
>purrifiers
ah shit, it's one of those clan furries I keep hearing about
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>>82990133
looks kinda like blaire white
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>>83003127
Those are murrifiers anon
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>>83003136
Its Anri Okita.
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>>82997247
Win wars, get statues
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>>83000912
Speaking of breakpoints, 55t is a double-sweetspot for jumping because Partial Wings get noticably shittier for Heavies.
5/8/7 is a truly blessed movement profile.
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>tfw you are so autistic you not only make a detailed backstory for your command
>you also detail mech and personal changes over the eras
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>>83003501
On the other hand 60 tonners and up have headcapping kicks. You want some mobility to crush your enemies under your heels.
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new thread:

>>83003587
>>83003587
>>83003587
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>>83002604
I think it looks good.

I get better results with tan -> bone -> white than gray -> white -> white -> white, if a warm white doesn't bother you.
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>>83003151
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>>83001638
Can we get this engraved on a placard?
It seems like something that people need to be reminded of every once in a while.



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