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Jungle Edition

>Previous Thread:
>>82867470

>List of Historical Tactical, Strategic, and Military Drill treatises:
http://pastebin.com/BfMeGd6R
>ZunTsu Gameboxes:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/yaokao3h1o4og/ZunTsu_GameBoxes
>/hwg/ Steam Group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tghwg/
>Naval wargaming stuff:
https://pastebin.com/LcD16k7s

>Games, Ospreys & References folders:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lu95l5mgg06d5/Ancient
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/81ck8x600cas4/Medieval
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/w6m41ma3co51e/Horse_and_Musket
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/vh1uqv8gipzo1/Napoleonic
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bbpscr0dam7iy/ACW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bvdtt01gh105d/Victorian
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/b35x147vmc6sg/World_War_One
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8a13ampzzs88/World_War_Two
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8i8t83bysdwz/Vietnam_War
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7n3mcn9hlgl1t/Modern
https://mega.nz/#F!ZAoVjbQB!iGfDqfBDpgr0GC-NHg7KFQ
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/gdvadj7t6l5w6/Aero_Wargaming
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/6jrcg496e7vnb/Avalon%20Hill
https://www.mega.nz/#F!SyREURzI!lI3Rychibpx17XW4OEhCIg
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pq6ckzqo3g6e6/Field_Of_Glory
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/r2mff8tnl8bjy/GDW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/whmbo8ii2evqh//SPI
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ws6yi58d2oacc/Strategy_%26_Tactics_Magazine
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/s1am77aldi1as/Wargames
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/j962ws6h50bqj/Victory_Games

>H&C Megatrove
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>New Trove Link
https://mega.nz/folder/19kUXC6T#U31scUNwyuVI8cHvX6GIgQ

Thread Questions:
Which historical period deserves definitely more love when it comes to tabletop games in your opinion?
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>>82988494
>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>AK-47 Republic
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/6v39gcjode5ln/Insanely_Based_AK-47_Republic_Folder
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/file/f8a58xjysyweaz8/Black+Powder+Rulebook.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Flames of War 4th Ed (shhhh)
https://mega.nz/folder/lc1SRajQ#QTDXthNFG-sDoYe08bhV9A
>Fleet Series
https://mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ
>GMT
https://mega.nz/#F!D1dHQZCJ!V9pYq0CUc4iCrNiOcBOBtg
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!XsVD0KgT!twB1NWiFE3aKXK_O1EZ4pA
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>The Perfect Captain
http://perfectcaptain.50megs.com/captain.html
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Wargaming Magazines DEAD
https://mega.nz/#F!O1cUGTRL!4FSvbQTXjmRTz1TfVXqxLw
>Warhammer Historical DEAD
https://mega.nz/folder/ycxBXQCC#pBPPHV3baHXJORarsHAAHw/folder/PdRREILR
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2mm napoleonics project continues to chug along. I primed the rest of the first army this morning, did some touch ups on the strips I had already completed and got started on my scene pieces. thankfully these are large enough overall that I can take okayish pictures.
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So what's the general opinion regarding Barons' War - yay or nay?
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Is AK-47 Republic a good system for FLGS demo games?
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>>82988494
Based edition
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>>82988494
>TQ
Historical miniatures have most eras covered surprisingly enough, but I'd prefer it if they fleshed out Hellenistic ancients more, especially the Persians under Greek rule and such.
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Have you considered not putting unobfuscated urls to copyright material so it gets nuked less often?
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>>82989167
I haven't played but it seems really pleasant. Will it work for WoR?
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>>82988494
>TQ

Neolithic era. I want skirmish games with retarded Neanderthals where the objective is to steal another tribe's fire.
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>>82990363
isn't this just TUSK?
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>>82985349
Dunno how comprehensive that is, but I figure this is a good place to start looking
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Why should I pick Battlegroup over Flames of War? What makes the BG rules better?
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>>82989579
Some of it got nuked, rest of it it's almost half a decade there. It's a zombie trove.

It helps we never hosted FoW, those last only days.
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>>82989167
it's yea or neigh you braying sugarlump gobbler
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TQ: The Congo Crisis
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>>82991736
Just check forces
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>>82989167
I don't like very small figure count skirmish rules
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I'm new to historicals, and I'm wondering what rules people like the best for ancient battles?
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>>82991562
Battlegroup takes longer and units operate on the squad or individual level. It has a bit less centralized command so tends to play best in light company or big platoon. That being said it is much closer to realistic, even if the Germans get a slight stat-padding.
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>>82992905
Saga, Warmaster Ancients and Impetus are some games I would say you could look into to begin with, going from most "gamey" to least.
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>>82991562
autism, but they are not playable rules
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>>82992905
Hail Caesar
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>>82989378
It can be a surprisingly difficult sell because as fun as the premise and events in the army are, the game itself is about trying to control chaos of trying to direct company level formations.
A lot of people much prefer a lower level of command and with a lot more perfect control.
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>>82993278
fuck off shill, anything would be better
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Been making very good progress on my Vietnam rules - spent the holiday season re-typing, cleaning up, filling in and doing some small playtests. Whole ruleset is pretty much sorted, just filling in some of the asset sheets such as ANZACs and ARVN.

Was reading about an early ARVN battle which game me some good ideas:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ap_Bac
>Lots of arguing between ARVN commanders on the ground and the supporting US helicopters
>ARVN refuse to take orders from US
>US refuse to listen to ARVN, and end up landing in a VC stronghold that the ARVN specifically told them not to land near
>3 H-21 flying banana Helis down, 1 huey destroyed
>Shit load of ARVN infantry deployed, but now totally pinned down and unable to move
>Send in the ARVN M113s!
>VC Keep sniping the exposed M113 crewmen - 14 in total killed
>ARVN M113 commanders also act as the machine gunner
>all the ARVN M113 commanders killed, replaced by less experienced soldiers
>M113 attack falters as they try to rescue the stranded ARVN and helicopter crews
>Try to break the VC line by sending in a flame M113
>Flame supposed to have 200m range, but only gets 30m
>ARVN mixed the wrong fuel for the flamethrower...
>M113s withdraw with shattered morale
>We have an entire battalion of airborne ARVN, lets drop them behind the VC so they can't escape
>ARVN commanders argue - "no lets drop the guys on the other side, so the VC have a clear place to escape"
>Paratroopers draw fire on approach and plane alters course, so they end up dropping right in front of the VC.
>VC pick off one paratrooper after another as they get stuck in the trees
>Entire battle is bungled, VC escape at night, loading into sanpans at the riverside

Inspired me to allow VC and NVA snipers to pick off M113 crewmen...

If you're interested in the latest dev blogs, you can check them out here:
https://www.thewargameswebsite.com/forums/topic/6mm-vietnam-game-devblog/page/3/
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Does Partizan Press have a distributor in the US, or do I need to order from Caliver Books in the UK?
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Im writing up a scenario for Sharp Practice set in Tyrol in 1809 - I'm thinking something along the lines of French/Bavarian player advancing (maybe with some supplys?) and encountering a weaker Austrian blocking force. Would it make sense to give the Aussie player a unit of Tyrol guerillas arriving on a flank later in the game?

I like the Hagen Miniatures figures but don't want to buy/paint a whole force of them since they're pretty limited use but I could justify a unit or two of them.
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>>82988494
Are there any games or systems that someone would recommend for early jet combat?
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>>82991736
Why the fuck has 4chan banned Flames of War?

i wen to my FLGS today, had 3 FoW tables, one Warhammer Table, and one Armada Table.

That game is literally on the rise again.
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>>82994812
Check Your Six! Jet Age.
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>>82994618
What the fuck are Australians doing fighting in Tyrol?
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>>82994825
It used to be pretty popular. I remember it be more popular than Warhammer in New Orleans back around 2014
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>>82994618
It would make more sense for it to be just Tyrol Guerillas, but a small force would be a super nice touch.

>>82994825
It hasn't as much as the Battlefront guys lurk here and relentlessly target us.
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>>82992529
Cheers. Sorry to sound ill-informed, where would I find forces?
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>>82995235
>It would make more sense for it to be just Tyrol Guerillas
Yeah I know, just dont see a full force of 40-50 some Tyrolean figures getting a lot of use. Mostly wanted to check that it's not totally off base
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As someone from NZ FoW isn’t even that popular here, and hasn’t been for a decade
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>>82992977
SAGA looks along the lines of something like a GW skirmish game, which I want to avoid

I'm looking at playing big battles, so Warmaster and Impetus seem more my thing, but I'm wondering what distinguishes Warmaster as more "gamey" than Impetus.
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is it just me, or is Aventine Miniatures the most confusing miniatures webstore out there
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Is painting 1/72 as difficult as people claim? Apparently paint just sloughs off or so I'm told.

Would using Rustoleum 2x flat gray primer adhere?
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>>82996989
Depends on the actual material. I have some ww2 italeri soldiers that weren't any different from other stuff, but I also have a few old and wobbly HäT britons that I think could cause some problems. I wouldn't prime them twice thoug as their details are rather mediocre and 2 coats of primer could be too much already.
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>>82994825
Nobody has banned anything
>>82995372 Online forces creation website. It has all the units and formations. Support and Formation Support can ususally be seen for free for formations you need to pay $1 per formation but you get a discoint if yoi buy 5 or more.
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are DBA, DBMM, ADLG good rules for big battles, or are they just for boomers who got comfortable playing the same old thing?
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>>82997692
The issue with all those 4,000 year rules sets is that they'll be good for some ancient/medieval periods and bad for others. Some people like the convenience of having one set to cover multiple armies, or allowing non-historical opponents, I guess, but if you're focussed on one period you're probably going to get more out of a set specifically for that period.
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>>82996989
That's complete horseshit - I have painted hundreds of 1/72 figures using just Rustoleum automotive primer and had no issues with paint adhesion.
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>>82996989
Not really, but seal your models afterwards and wash them in dish soap before priming.


>>82995130
The general just died. Battlefront kept nuking the troves (and the game) so it just... expired.
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>>82997755
okay, so what are some good rules for discrete periods of ancient and medieval history? the only periods where I see very specific rules are from the Thirty Years War up to WW2
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Looking for the Second Edition of Sword & Spear, by Great Escape Games.
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>>82997990
Paean, for hoplite greek warfare. It is in the trove.
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>>82997990
There are some around, usually from the more obscure publishers. Some examples:

Early Medieval/Viking: Peter Pig's Longships, Dux Bellorum, Glutter of Ravens, Age of Penda (all Dan Mersey), Dark Age Infantry Slog from back in the day,

Crusades: Deus Vult, Soldiers of God, Shattered Lances, Ironbow.

Classical ancients: Lost Battles (Phil Sabin) Hoplomachus (hoplites), Soldiers of Rome (Rome v Barbarians), upcoming Strength and Honour.
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>>82998292
>>82998350
thanks guys
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>>82997990
Aurelian is excellent.
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>>82996343
SAGA can be played at 6mm and I prefer the mechanics. Warmaster is... not good, I dislike it. For big battles, I like Aurelian a lot, Impetus is alright.
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Does anyone have comparison pic of Warlords epic scale vs 10mm? Do you actually get more guys with 10mm, when the minis are separated instead of one molded block?
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My LGS is selling a random grabbag of Team yankee stuff for dirt cheap, does anyone here have good WW3 system recommendations? I've heard of stuff like a fistful of TOWs but really have no idea whats good and works well in 15mm.
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>>83000243
that shit is way too big to play moderns. 6mm or 3mm only for moderns
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>>82999510
>Warmaster is... not good, I dislike it.
Given how Warmaster is generally considered one of the good ones, and unlike (from the same source) Warhammer historical isn't a dated as fuck relic of late '80s game design, can you elaborate on this?
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>>83000403
they're all dead, irrelevent games that are more similar than distinct
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>>83000428
Every game in this thread is a dead game (even the Warlord/Flames of war stuff) compared to anything GW shits out so argument discarded.
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>>83000403
Yeah, that's opinion to opinion. I'm gonna go over what I dislike about Warmaster at a fundamental level, but:
>game sequence
>command system
The game functions on a command-move-shoot-fight-switch sides cycle. That's vanilla to an absurd extent, which isn't bad per se but it's compounded by a command system that puts the result of whether or not units will activate at all on sheer luck - effectively speaking, the game operates from a position of command being perfect (you can issue orders to all units) but control is imperfect (they may not follow those orders you issued). And to to me is a huge stain. It's something I dislike about Impetus a lot, but Impetus saves it by virtue of a ton of work in other areas, especially the army lists and how that interacts.

Fundamentally, it's just a game that doesn't hit on anything I care about and I just genuinely dislike it.
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>Warlord order finally shipped
>has been sitting in some british town for like the last 5 days

I guess it doesn't really matter since I have upwards of 100 minis I have yet to even remove from their sprues.
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>>83000280
Got any recommendations for miniatures? 15mm is the smallest I've gone, I usually do skirmish scale stuff.
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is it normal for enthusiasm for a project to come and go in waves? ive got half my minis primed and i meant to paint a bunch of them today but im just not feeling it. ill probably end up painting next weekend then start on the second army in 2 weeks. but yesterday the energy carried me through like 2 hours of sitting and priming strips.
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>>83001140
Idk about waves but I do things when I want. It's a hobby, it's supposed to be purely for my enjoyment so I do things when I want. There's no reason to overthink it. Do you feel like painting? Then do it. Don't? Then don't.
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>>83000280
Oh no the 0,00003mm schizo is back.
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>>83001025
3mm moderns picoarmor or whatever are the way to go to have some gameable sets in truescale.
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>>82996989
It's the same problem with resin models; when they cast them they line the moulds with release compound to get them out easier, so are covered in a layer of stuff designed to not stick to anything, hence the need to wash them first.
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>>83001219
well, they don't do cold war minis in 3mm, only 15mm, so back to square one. Ideally I'd like to be able to model infantry as well as something beyond inidividual motes of dust.
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>>83001140
>is it normal for enthusiasm for a project to come and go in waves?
It just means your floon is low. Wait a bit for it to refresh, and you'll be in the mood for the project again.
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>>83000243
Some locals play "Seven Days to the River Rhine" rules after tiring of TY spam. I've not played it: it looks smaller scale with a lot less stuff on the table, like 1-2 Inf Platoons, 10-ish tanks max, etc.

Some interesting ideas. I considered starting but I have too many other projects. Looks decent in15mm though, the tables are no longer overloaded with 30+ huge vehicles each side, massed helos, etc.

Rules if you want them: https://mega.nz/file/xYhgzBRD#RuUB8UYNLqHJVjAUEUIFCtNg9eRj3GL-eXgBN1H-P_8

>>82999397
Good to hear, I bought it last week and have some 15mm Romans and Goths on the work table now.
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Request Aurelian.
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anyone else find overly abstracted/representative games incredibly off-putting?

I've considered a few rules in the past to play with stuff like macedonian phalanx or pike and shot, but when the basing requirements restrict you to a maximum of about 4 ranks I lose interest
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>>83002305
Had a flick through the system, seems like extactly what I was looking for, thanks anon!

>>83001140
Yup, got a bunch of different projects on my desk in several stages of construction and painting. You just got to ride those hobby highs when they hit and try not to burn out too much.
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>>82995048
Thanks, I'll look into it.
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>>83003931
Wish we had it.
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>>82988494
>TQ
Cham-Vietnamese war.
Shit was huge and brutal, featured two different-but-similar cultures, but I know of very little wargaming coverage for it.
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>>83001140
Yes. As you can see by most of the replies, most people just take a break or switch it up when it happens. I, however, live to suffer - so I just grind through until whatever I'm doing is done. And then immediately replace it with something I will soon equally dislike.
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newfag looking to maybe get into blackpowder here

i'm undecided as to which scale to go for so was wondering how the game differs between scales and how each version's starter sets are in regards to value. i kinda love the charm of the regular scale miniatures but at the same time i'm worried the minis themselves will be largely redundant and that battles won't feel particularly big (or that they'll require a massive investment). for context I can get the waterloo set for like £55.

as for epic it seems like it'd make a cool change from regular scale game and painting wise and the kits seem to come with tons of stuff but at the same time the sets seem pretty fucking expensive (acw is like £80 and the new waterloo set will be like £100+)

also how does the game fare in terms of variety and strategy given the entire era is literally just muskets and pikes?
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>>83005116
Here's my advice
Are you getting into the game with a friend? Do you have a local club to play with? Or are you just looking to paint some minis? If it's the first two you should consider which rulesets and scales are played in your local area, there's no point doing 28mm when everyone else does 15mm and there's no point dedicating yourself to black powder if no one actually plays it (in the UK lots of people play 28mm though)
As far as the starter set goes, the starter sets aren't great value for napoleonic miniatures, at least in my country perry miniatures are much better value and in my opinion they look far better than the warlord offerings, check out the perry website and look at army deals
That said, perry miniatures generally have more parts per figure and this means you will be spending more time cleaning and assembling the mini, this might not seem like a big deal if the detail is that much better but when you're doing 500 minis it is exhausting
I think it's also important to know just how minis you will require to play a game, with typical napoleonic rules and really any early modern era warfare you will need A LOT of miniatures, that's a lot of miniatures you need to buy, a lot of miniatures you need to assemble, a lot of miniatures that you need to paint and a lot of miniatures you need to put on a table
There is a way to get around this and it's to change the number of figures in each of your battalions, so the standard would be around 24-32 miniatures per battalion but you could go down to perhaps 16 or even fewer, this will allow you to field the correct number of battalions in a smaller amount of space and fewer minis to paint but it won't look as good on the table
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>>83005289
Btw as far as epic scale goes you should be aware that although the scale has changed, with black powder the width of your unit will be the same whether you use epic battles or 28mm miniatures, so you aren't actually saving on the size of the table required it's just going to look more like a battle because there's so many figures on your table
People will tell you that you shouldn't do 28mm because it's so expensive but from what I've seen in the UK (assuming you are in the UK), 15mm metal miniatures are going to be more expensive than 28mm plastic miniatures, you should know that eventually you will want some 28mm metal miniatures either to add variety or because you want a certain uniform/character in which case 28mm metal miniatures will be more expensive
You could do a smaller scale like 6/10mm but if you like miniatures you should do 28mm
If you don't want to commit to playing games which require a huge number of miniatures (200-600+) you could check out sharp practice which is a skirmish rules set which uses about 50 miniatures per side
If you want a huge number of miniatures you could look into general de brigade and general d'armee but again look at what people are playing in your local area
I'm sorry for ranting
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>>83004239
I actually like them more than the other option, they seem to give better results than finnicky stuff.
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>>83000243
Go 6mm / 1/300 - its an ideal scale for modern battles.
For miniatures, I personally go for Heroics and Ros for vehicles and helicopters / aircraft, and then use GHQ for infantry.

GHQ are much more pricey than H&R, but have much better detail. For vehicles and helis the fine detail of an AK magazine doesn't really matter, but at the infantry scale, you really want that fine detail level. H&R sculpts are cheaper, but can be kinda blobby at the very small scale.

Pic shows GHQ infantry top left, and completely H&R on the top right.

The small details honestly don't matter that much though when you're gaming, as you're never close enough to actually see the AK magazine of a soldier. Generally you just see masses of troops running around, as shown in bottom image.

As for rulesets - Fist Full of TOWs is considered pretty damn good, Cold War Commander could also be tried. Maybe Hind & Seek for Soviet-Afghan War
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>>83005116
all the warlord offerings are trash
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>>83006391
They have some ok models which they got from other companies IIRC, like some of their cavalry are decent but yeah, you're right
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>>83005952
Isn't FFOT igougo?
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>>83000243
For 15mm moderns consider..
Seven Days to the River Rhine OR
Sabre Squadron OR
Battlegroup Northag
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>>83006616
Yeah, it's not got a good command system, but as far as everything else, it's excellent. The command system is bad not because it's IGO UGO but because it's "roll dice+modifiers to see if unit can activate".
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Jesus Christ lindybeige makes me so mad every time I remember he shares this hobby with us
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>>82988494
Conquest of the America’s. I am desperate for a saga supplement covering this so I have an excuse to buy the new WA conquistadors and aztecs
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What’s the difference between the victrix old guard chasseurs and grenadiers? The pics seem to indicate they’re the same kit, is it like GW where they have two entries on the storefront for 2 diffo things you can make from the same kit?
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>>83008761
I feel like this has been asked a dozen times here already
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What are some games I can play with about 500 28mm Romans?
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>>83008769
Also I think the difference may be the flags that are included
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>>83001354
What’s a floon
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Would people pull me up if I used skirmisher models as infantry in a game of ACW sharp practice? I like the raggedy look of their models better
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How do you guys usually base 15mm medievals?
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>>83005116
Don't listen to sperglords scanning this thread 24/7 for anything warlord to provide you with a wall of text and insults carefully outlining how warlord absolutely destroyed all wargaming and you should be playing 6mm napoleonics in a hangar with actual boomers. Their games are mostly beer and pretzel mediocre and meant to sell models more than anything, but they're also good introduction to the hobby for newfriends such as yourself. Once you get accomodated to shit you can move to better games, though 28mm used for Black Powder really restricts your choice on what other games you could play. However 28mm is also very common in less autistic clubs and it's also great for introducing normoids into the hobby.

Now for advice - before you dish out any money make sure you have an active community around you. Last thing you want is an army or two worth a couple of hundred bongs that takes up space and no people to play with. If you want a 28mm army then there are also cheapter alternatives than Warlord. If you want their epic scale then note that Warlord want to be special snowflakes and their models are often of some bizarre scale to stick out then played against other model producers i.e. their 15mm Epic Battles isn't actually 15mm.
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>>82988494
Been gifted a box of the war of the roses perry infantry and was looking for a good 28mm medieval rule set. Is lion rampant up to much? Every time I google lion rampant review I just get links to a game called destiny.
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>>83010249
I play Lion Rampant occasionally, its is a nice ruleset for a quick and enjoyable game. Although pretty light on the rules, it lends itself to a general medieval beer and pretzel type of game, so if you are into hardocre simulations of gritty medieval combat in 1450s Shropshire speficically, it might not be for you.

I'm fond of it however, also because you can get basically all you need from a single Perrys box. A second edition is also coming up, if you'e into editions.
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>>83010401
Cool cool. Beer and pretzel is perfect as I'm not a fan of games that become a chore to play with rule bloat. How does it scale? Say I want a WFB sized game with ~150 minis a side?
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>>83010401
>>83010477
Also if those are your models they look great I love the colour.
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>>83005649
for me, I just want the painting side of the hobby to align with the playing

so I want to make an aesthetically pleasing unit that I can drop into games
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Are there any good metal 28mm's to go with victrix imperial romans?
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>>83010477
I think ~150 minis a side is a bit on the larger side for LR, but the rules should scale up pretty alright. The main thing to do would be to scale up your gaming area to match.

We mostly play with about 30 to 40 minis a side, using halved unit sizes.

>>83010490
Sadly these aren't mine, they do show off how nice the Perry minis are.
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>>83010477
Never Mind the Billhooks is pitched at a slightly bigger game than Lion Rampant, around 100 figures I think. Rules are fairly straightforward as far as I know.
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What are some of your favorite Napoleonic Wars miniature rule sets?

I just picked up the Warlord Games starter box, but the nice thing about miniature gaming is that you can use all sorts of rules
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I wanna make two bronze age armies to introduce a buddy to historical without spending a shit load on 28mm.

Is biblical/bronze age in 1/72 worthwhile?
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>>83011309
I don't see anything you can do with 28mm you can't do with 1/72 just as well and much cheaper
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>>83011309
If you are in place to get the Caesar sets you need, it's a very good choice. I'm planning to get their Mycenaeans later this year.

Relevant HaT and Newline are good... but Caesar is great. I really like when someone captures actual human proportions.

It's also not a big investment compared to ending up with two armies of 28mm metal figures for the early bronze age. If you wanted to do something like Napoleonics or WWII I would advise playing in whatever is more popular locally, but if someone advises you looking for "local Hittite players" he's clearly out of his mind.
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two or three tanks per base? I'm thinking two, at least for the larger western tanks. Soviet tanks are usually smaller so they can fit three on a base.
In either case it still represents a platoon or thereabout on the tabletop
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>>83011272
nah, because your retarded incompatible-scale models are also set up for a retarded incompatible basing scheme
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>>82994825
The general ended up being the BMP guy holding up the thread for 18 hours a day and constant Cheersposting when it was active, so it died.

It is what it is.
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>>83012865
Three looks a bit too crowded in pic
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>>83008795
Its similar to your Gizz
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>>83013705
>>83012865
Agree, a bit crowded
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>>83013705
>>83013873
yeah went ahead and put 2 tanks on those bases
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>>83011272
I like Lasalle and Blucher a lot. If you picked up the Epic one, keep in mind they are pretty annoying to paint, have weird basing and are in a weird 12mm scale despite being advertised as 15mm.
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>>83010522
At that point, because they are abstracted, you can make that better looking unit with a little bit of work.
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>>83005116
Sharp Practice man
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>>83010065

and here i was thinking i could avoid the worst of the autism by avoiding ww2 games

i actually knew a descendant of nelson that was a massive spakka so maybe i should've known better

i'm honestly not sure if there's any kind of scene for black powder specifically outside of a store owner and the odd friend I could once in a blue moon convince to play something other than 40k, I just like the period and models for both gaming and modelling

is there really anything stopping me from just trying it out with card unit templates seeing how there's no model removal?
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>>83015216
>is there really anything stopping me from just trying it out with card unit templates seeing how there's no model removal?

Warlord Death Squad will roll into your neighbourhood and drown you in bubbly resin. What kind of question is that?
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Any good early gunpowder units in the 28mm scale? I'm planning on making a Bohemian Hussite army for a 9th edition WAP
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>>83015449
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>>83001140
i pushed myself a little and advanced 10 strips to the next step. i know at such small scales you want an impressionistic approach to painting since its impossible to get real detail or even to see much detail on the table. however I'm already getting better at painting a thin strip and leaving some white on the bottom so from a distance you can make out roughly white pants, blue uniforms and hopefully ill add black dots along the top for hats and MAYBE some brown on the backpacks. i know it kind of looks like shit but it's going better and better with each one.
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>>83015216
>is there really anything stopping me from just trying it out with card unit templates seeing how there's no model removal?
Even then you could probably do it with model removal.
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>>83015623
got an actually decently zoomed in photo, finally! these 2 have been trial strips for neatening up the pantline with some white after having done the uniforms. originally i thought i would go bottom to top but this way takes care of any errant drops or running from the top half. the heads definitely need to be touched up though. i decided id rather go back in and fix the bits of exposed primer than try to load the brush heavier and end up with paint pooling heavily between the heads.
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bump and a question.
how detailed is too detailed for campaign play? is tony Bath a uniquely insane person for calculating the exact revenues, incomes and costs of every single character, hexagon and army on his map? or am I lazy for feeling tired even thinking about the work involved?
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>>83017088
>how detailed is too detailed for campaign play?
Depends on your scale. Campaigns are defined as much as they are by time as they are space.
>is Tony Bath a uniquely insane person for calculating the exact revenues, incomes and costs of every single character, hexagon and army on his map?
Tony Bath may not be insane, but he is a boomer using outdated methods that are as a whole unrepresentative of the actual experience.
>or am I lazy for feeling tired even thinking about the work involved?
You are lazy for not reading more modern games and not thinking about fundamental questions of campaign play.
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>>83017160
On a less combative note, Anon, if you want to do campaign play, I'm more than willing to help, but there's a difference between trying to fight the American Civil War and trying to fight Grant's Cumberland Campaign - one takes 15 days, the other 4 years, and fundamentally that's going to require some extremely different game design decisions.
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Tony Bath wasn't a 'boomer.' He was 2 generations before 'boomers.'

Tony Bath was from a generation of wargamers that took a very 'bottom-up' approach, the same approach that produced 2-page reaction tests in WRG, or hyper-detailed skirmish games where you played 30 seconds of real time in an evening. The hobby has moved on from there and there are much better options now. Given that board games have similarly moved on from the ultra-complex hex and chit games of the 70's, you can usually find a board game to run a wargames campaign for you relatively easily.
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please gib a couple good paints to do two shades of confederate greys
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>>83017690
Vallejo Panzer Aces 305 Light Rubber would work for a "dirty/faded" grey...ignore the name, you can use it for more than rubber obviously. I use it as an undertone for dirty off-white colours, works well.

Vallejo Model Colour 992 Neutral Grey would be the the "average" grey: mid tone, not too dark or too light. Neutral you might say...

Add any light grey to the colours above for highlights, preferable than using white.
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>>83017690
It's not my period, but a quick internet search will usually show options, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5MjhJNdO58
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I ordered the Victory at Sea rulebook (the updated Warlord version) since i could not find it anywhere online. Should i upload it to the stash once it gets here
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>tfw no Perry Indian Mutiny range
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why haven't you taken the 3mm pill yet?
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>>83019404
>implying I didn't

I didn't, pic from the net.
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>>83019404
Because most all of my local community is somehow scared of anything less than 28mm and they think Song of Fire and Ice is one of the best things ever. It's even hard to find 15mm guys to play with. And I want to play games, not only paint my armies.
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>>83019479
where u located bud
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>>83019686
Poland
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>>83019723
my sympathies
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>>83019723
does anyone there actually care about fire&sword the 15mm game?
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>>83019741
Locally, from time to time but it's rare. Saga or BA or Black Powder are my best bet. Not really a fan of 28mm in historical gaming.
There is some flames of war shit but I don't really like the rules but I'm trying to get some FoW guys to try O Group. Maybe there are some "underground" groups somewhere on facebook
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>>83019902
don't play black power, the long cold sleep of death is better
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>>83019931
Don't worry, Napoleonics and ACW is really not my cup of tea
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>>83019987
black powder is useless for all of those things
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>>83019097
Yes please anon
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>>83005952
Great recommendations, thanks anon! Don't suppose you have any good sources for 6mm scenery, either tutorials or stores? Dont have anything in that scale, and driving the little soviet and american tanks I've just bought across a flat plain seems a little pointless.
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>>83019741
As another Pollack: it used to be pretty big in some places around the death of FoW, where I live it's still played often. But to be honest most of the people (not many) now seems to be playing Saga or some warlord game, mostly Bolt as refugees flock from GW.

I was at some shop playing What a Tanker! with old battlefront 15mm tanks and some guy got pretty defensive we're not playing it in 28mm. Absolute tunnel vision. While I don't hate 28mm like some resident cunts, it's a sad state of affairs. There is a small scene of 6mm ACW, of all things, though. Everything is still an absolute drop in the bucket compared to "flavour of the month" GW games and 40k. I think that only FoW, Bolt and Flame outperform old man Mordheim (if they do).

I wanted to run some demos, but most of the spaces I used to frequent, that don't need to earn money (like clubs at universities and so on) were still in "much covid, don't come" mode last time I checked.

>>83020464
That site and littlewars channel are a great resource for that.
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>>83020591
Shit, the link did not copy:

https://www.6mmacw.com/
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How popular is Bolt Action on /tg/?
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>>83020464
>Don't suppose you have any good sources for 6mm scenery, either tutorials or stores?
6mm ACW, despite the name, has some excellent tips and tutorials.
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>>83020632
>How popular is Bolt Action on /tg/?
A great big shrug.
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>>83020632
This thread has earned resident screeching fuckers (or one, just very busy) in the last few years that shoo away anybody that tries to talk about it or FoW.

It never was "respected" here, but it used to be talked about quite a lot. One Norwegian guy was here posting about searching for appropriate vehicles for his Early War force for 1940 campaign while his wife went into labour. I pity I did not greentext it back then.
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>>83020702
There were a number of people who played and posted on here, posting WIP or after actions or just generally helpful historical info about insignia, markings, uniforms. All gone. In their place everyone gets to enjoy an incontinent retard screeching autistically.
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>>83020702
>>83020870
Why do you think they left? Is the game less popular than it used to be or what?
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Need help; my friend gave me a squad of what I now know as Kryomek Nexus SWAT troops years ago which due to life are gone. One mini was a bald sci-fi trooper in power armor, his one arm extended out and hand emitting flames. I found the rest of the troops but not the one described and can't find it anywhere. I'd appreciate any help in finding the name of it.
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>>83020883
If anything the game is more popular than it's ever been. People just got tired of the thread always been shit the fuck up by some nogames retard with nothing better to do than get apocalyptically apoplectic about Warlord. So we all found better places to talk about shit, and that's why this general is half-dead. At least twice it's fallen off the board before hitting bump limit, which used to be unheard of.
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>>83020955
>which used to be unheard of
Let's not get carried away, it always was slow and it did happen occasionally, if less often than now.

>>83020910
Based /awg/ crossposter mixing up threads

>>83020883
Thread had a resident anon who maintained the troves and kept writing very involved first posts. When kiwianon left we lost the "trove" aspect to a big extent (death kneel for a /tg/ general) and at the same time people felt pressure to keep writing "involved openings" that kept the thread from coming up - because it takes time and some effort.

When we came round there were about half of the posters that used to be here and a few salty trolls are enough to shit small thread up - not to mention that some genetic dead ends can't deal with the thread being slow, so they shit it up further to keep dopamine coming to their attention-span-deprived brains. Only fucking masochist keeps posting about Bolt in such conditions - it's no use, because it takes more time to write a post than to shit on it until thread 404s. That's why you can check /awg/ and see some dude posting napoleonic ships there instead of here - because "muh warlord" troll apparently also thinks that "boats are for autists" and did not fail to mention it a single time they are being talked about.

I subscribe to a theory it's just a single fuck. I just hope that this shithead finds a woman who can hate him at least half as much as I do and keep him off the net - or at least in incel containment threads.
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>>83021342
this is actually a great solution, all warlord posters should move to /awg/.. and as much a I want to like FOW, probably it too given the direction of the newest release
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Are there any good naval wargames that don't involve a whole bunch of Battletech-esque box filling?
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>>83021852
Battletech style box filing is what makes a naval wargame good in the first place, anon. So, no. There are no good naval wargames which meet your criteria.

Consider revising what you think of as "good" and get back to us.
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>>83021852
Get Osprey's Fighting Sail from the trove and extra rules from the relevant faceboomer group. It should meet your criteria to a reasonable extent.

>>83021409
Neck thyself fag.
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Just got 50k inheritance. Do I do 2mm scale Stalingrad in my spare room or 2mm Rome
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>>83020464
>you have any good sources for 6mm scenery,

A while back I found a guy's blog about making 10mm terrain for Mesopotamia ww1 which was good. I can't find it now but perhaps you woul have better luck. Techniques should be workable for 6mm
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What are some good Avalon Hill games to get people to try historicals? Does Panzerblitz hold up?
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>>83019741
There are some Mortem et Gloriam players in Poland playing in 15mm; and yes, see the MeG FB group for players.


>>83020883
>Is the game less popular than it used to be or what?

Massively so. Most left because V4 is shit. I left because I was tired of compromise gaming and moved to other rules. I play fewer games now, but much more enjoyable ones. I also have no interest in the TY/FOW army sizes now, there just way too much stuff on the table.

Some areas still have a player base. Mine mostly moved to Bolt Action, SAGA, or went back to 40k. None of those guys really "wargamed" WWII, they just played a WWII game for the game. No scenarios, no campaigns, no attempt at history. We were always different people, FOW just brought some compromises and thus a group formed. No longer the case.

But as usual, FOW players love acting like the victims: it something the NZ studio did constantly and a section of the playerbase embraced that bullshit outlook. >>83021342 ...case in point, rent free, etc.

People playing other things just get on with it.

>>83023080
Guns, ammo, silver (physical) and dig in.
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>>83023080
Invest it you tard
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Does anyone have this magazine? I would like to check the battlegroup scenarios.
https://militaryminiature.com/product/military-miniature-201-individual-edition/
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>>83005952
6 and 10 mm looks cool for modern and cold war but at that point i think I prefer tokens in a grid.
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>>83024453
Imo it’s not possible to have flavour without miniatures
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>>83024537
What about this?
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/209877/world-war-85-storming-gap

But I hate when token games are this expensive.
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>>83020591
Gdzie?
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Can anyone post scans/pdf of the Mortal Gods cards? Found the rules online and want to try before I buy the core set, wanna get into classical Greek warfare
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>>83013041

So many bad people here.
society has degraded beyond repair,
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>>83020660

Its a hit or miss thing.
Sadly, we are getting too many assholes here these days that will say anything bad just to say bad shit. So be aware of that.
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>>83015449
Perry has a set of 6 metal ones which are really nice.
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well boys, despite being like a mile from work I'm snowed in today. supervisor told me not to show because nobody else can make it in through the blizzard so it looks like im inside painting infantry all day.

the strips I did the uniforms for yesterday look decent despite my inexperience. cozy times.
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>>83024221
>...case in point, rent free, etc.
The post you quoted didn't even mention FoW. In fact, both replies except yours seem to have assumed "is the game less popular" referred to BA because neither anon mentioned FoW. Maybe you're the one who needs to look for brain squatters, m8.
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Is there a group project going on?
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have any of you guys got experience of painting 10mm metal minis?

I'm looking at some Pendraken Indian Mutiny minis and it's really hard to tell from blown up images of bare metal if they have decent quality.

I'm also just wondering in general how nicely a 10mm army can look on the tabletop, or if I should look for a 15mm range instead to have that slightly higher level of detail and therefore a visually nicer army
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>>83028909
Consider the meter rule. How will your army look at a meter distance is more important than how your army will look up close. Pendraken is damn good, for what that's worth.
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>>83028909
They look crisp, especially for 10mm. Depending on how you like to paint, they seem very well-designed for high-contrast "pop", with all the constituent parts discrete and not just blobby abstracts.
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>>83021852
Which era?
Check out War By Sail for age of sail, and maybe Naval War for WW2? can't remember if naval war has ship roster cards or if its all tokens.

Either way, you tend to get lots of tokens if you don't have ship roster cards... ships are just large and often take a while to go down, so you need to show the ongoing damage as they degrade somehow
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>>83001228
It's not grease but the surface properties of polyethylene that prevents paint from holding
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>>83026320
W Warszawie, ale jeszcze nie zwariowałem by się doxxować na 4chanie.

>>83028909
They are nice, I'm a fan.

>>83031099
I sincerely never had that problem to a noticeable degree, unless with the bendy parts, like a long spear. Just seal your models.
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>>83020591
>I was at some shop playing What a Tanker! with old battlefront 15mm tanks and some guy got pretty defensive we're not playing it in 28mm. Absolute tunnel vision
Absolute state of 28mm fags.
FoW is pretty big in Poland, especially here. Bolt Acion is pretty popular too as well as Mortem and Gloriam. Other historical games are also played but not as frequently as these three.

>>83031194
>W Warszawie, ale jeszcze nie zwariowałem by się doxxować na 4chanie.
No balls
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>>83032118
>No balls

I just do not enjoy getting 30 subscriptions for Watchtower and 10 unpaid pizzas showing up at my door as much as I used to.
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>>83024453
Tokens work for games with a huge scale I think, operational games.
But for tactical stuff I think 6mm where 1 base = 1 platoon looks amazing and very evocative
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>>83032366
Unless you’re fitting 50 guys on that base I’m not interested
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>>83032366
I want this but 1 model = one tonk and 1infantry base = squad ~10 people
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Does anyone play Mortal Gods? I really like the look of their core set and thinking about getting into it. No idea what city states I would paint up, probably not Athens or Rome because they're too prominent. But I guess ancient Greeks wouldn't have uniforms where every Hoplite matches his squad so I could probably paint them however I want and just say they're a certain city state right? Also does anyone have any painting guides for classical Hoplites?
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>>83032726
Well it wouldn't be impossible for 3mm. I bet you could fit a platoon in a 40x40 base with relative ease. Although they would look not realistic at all as soldiers and tanks even from the same platoon were relarively spread out.

>>83032366
Love the stuff you are doing anon, keep it going!

>>83032363
Good old times

Really happy with how these bases turned out. Panzerschreck was based using premade tiny 2mm tufts. Making a whole army like this would be a bit of an investment but I think it will be worth it.
Also my very first ACW brigade of winter uniform yankees, still missing the standards.

Anyone has any suggestions how to make wooden walls in 6mm that can be incorporated on infantry bases? I want to try making some scenic bases for my ww2 force and I am curious if anyone here has done something similar. 3D priting would work but I don't own a printer, so sadly out of the question. Cutting little planks out of hips would be doable but be very tedious.
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>>83032726
That'd be a pretty sizable platoon in most modern armies.
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>>83033148
Nice miniatures.

I would get a 3-4mm wide strip of 1mm (or even 2 if going for more sturdy) balsa, serrate it appropriately with a dull knife or sharp pencil to mimic planks and glue a piece of wire to the front to mimic horizontal plank keeping them together. With a wash and drybrush should look ok. It should be somewhat quicker than making actual 6mm-sized planks for a tiny fence.
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>>83033148
>Anyone has any suggestions how to make wooden walls in 6mm that can be incorporated on infantry bases? I want to try making some scenic bases for my ww2 force and I am curious if anyone here has done something similar. 3D priting would work but I don't own a printer, so sadly out of the question. Cutting little planks out of hips would be doable but be very tedious.
Matchsticks, traditionally, are a perfect size for it.
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>>83026847
turned out pretty productive. this is about 75% of the the first army of the pair. everything's in various states of progress but im getting much more comfortable with the brushes and with manipulating the paint. might do more later but I feel good so far and don't want to push myself into burnout or frustration.
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>>83033432
That could work actually, thanks!
>>83033570
Matchsticks would be too thick for it. For scenery they would look fine but on the same bases as infantry they would look rather silly.
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>>83021852

i've not played black seas but am a little familiar with kings of war armada (that's based on black seas) and it's pretty straightforward
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>>83032753
It works, but you fast run into the issue that you are controlling a LOT of guys.
Maybe it would work for more modern stuff but WW2 has really dense frontlines in the big battles.

OR

You also adjust the ground scale, but then everything can shoot very far and you will need a shittonne more terrain to model the extra detail.
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>>83033799
buy the thinnest plasticard rod you can buy, and then put something between the posts? thats what I did for my barbed wire. this base is 30mm across
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>>83034020
Oh yeah I saw this. Very nice. I tend to forget that at smaller scales threads could be pretty handy. I must also try making some barbed wire like this. Looks very nice.
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played Dalhgren and Columbiad today with my Lissa ships instead of the usual broadside and ram. Same creator but I have to say that I greatly prefer broadside and ram.
D&C is supposed to be a more advanced version, but most of the added rules are stuff like wind and current drift and mines and stuff obviously more suited for brown water stuff rather than fleet battles. I felt the actual deepened gunnery rules barely made the game feel any better, just much longer.
We played for four hours and mostly did the same rolls over and over again.
There was some fun moments like where half the ships in the battle rammed each other almost at the same time, but I could get the same experience just playing B&R, in fact it would be better since it's custom made for Lissa and has a whole lot more character.
Also the stats for the Lissa ships in D&C, while official, were not proofread at the slightest to the point that it was difficult to understand what stats the ships are actually supposed to have.

In short, didn't work for this at all, maybe it's better for actual riverine and coastal battles with monitors but it honestly sucked for what we tried to do. Game ended in a very minor Austrian victory
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How well does The Men Who Would Be Kings play with multibased minis to play larger battles?
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>>83035877
watch little wars and find out
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>>83035877
Littlewars guys did it, + made some changes to make it work better. See their doc on what they did to change it for their Isandlwana game.
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Does anyone have one of these?
https://www.victrixlimited.com/en-ca/collections/ancient-ptolomeics/products/african-war-elephant
I'm trying to figure out how big they are, in terms of length, width, and height
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>>83020464
Thought of some things to try searching and found the 10mm WW1 blog again: http://www.michaelscott.name/ww1/ww1blog/ww1blogpost010.htm kind of an awkward format but nice terrain

Also this looks nice too https://toofatlardies.co.uk/a-most-unlikely-solution/
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>>83034344

Thanks for the AAR, anon.
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i'm litle cofused is battlefront "insta-switch" to Mid war or first we see LW germans,UK and soviet?
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>>83039015
Fantastic, cheers anon, these will be a real help. Going to head to my local hardware store today to try find some materials while I wait for minis to arrive in the post, so will post updates of any stuff I throw together.

>>83033957
I guess I'm going for option B at the moment, a lot of the games I've played up to now havn't really had much manouvering room, and my scale autism has suddenly kicked in. Can't wait to spend a month making woodblocks.
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>>82989167
More importantly, where the peedeef at?

I know they have an online armybuilder, but that does not a ruleset explain.
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I want your advice on a couple compositions i'm building
I'm getting the models to make a bunch of Victory at sea Fleets (i have already an Italian and French fleet, but i want to expand so that i can play with my dudes without having to get anything that isn't mine)
I want to round up the fleets from the Pacific starter set (which means US and Japan fleets), i already have more destroyers than i could ask for and a bunch of cruisers, which means that what's missing is the "big" Flagship
Should i go for a Carrier or a Battleship? It's mostly down to aesthethic preference but i feel 1 or 2 carriers protected by cruisers and destroyers would make for a good looking fleet
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>>83036778
Yeah it's about 70mm to the top of the howdah, 70mm ass to trunk and 30mm in girth
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What game
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>>83032753
Jagdpanzer rules
http://jagdpanzer.com/
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What would be appropriate architecture for early XVII-century French countryside?

I remember someone going for a rant about a timber-framed building not being that popular as wargames use them.
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>>83045834
Who cares, timber framed look good and are easy to make
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>>83044466
Hail Caesar
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>>83046264
I do, that's why I asked.
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>>83046277
trash game, better to just make your own rules
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>>83047751
I mean Hail Caesar and Black Power are basically just Rick Priestly's lazy homebrew Warmaster successor rulesets that he uses to play on a gigantic, completely impractical table for 99% of players. And just because he wrote that book back in the day for that sci-fi franchise from Nottingham he gets it published to a highly professional standard with glossy paper and lots of images.
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>>83042742
https://mega.nz/file/cE4mTLRZ#31awwxzy9zXp3nE8dh9-lyRFc9QFrhXN2Ild3xlJP3s
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>>83033081
>>83026503
I bought the set and forced my wife to play it with me, it's quite fun, I enjoyed it a ton. While it is in a historical setting, it's not a very historically accurate game, but I don't give a shit. I play what's fun, I'm not autistic about the realism.
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>>83048121
Why do people always bitch about MUH IMPRACTICAL TABLE!

What's stopping you from making a big table yourself?
>I don't have the space!
Have you tried not being poor?
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>>83048378
The real solution is to play on the floor, most people have a enough floor space if they aren't hoarders
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>>83048476
A lot of the guys ITT are grossly overweight and therefore would have great difficultly stooping to play on the floor. But you're right Miniature wargames were originally mostly played on the floor
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>>83048476
far easier to knock things over when moving around
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>>83048542
Is this true? I don't have a lot of contact with the larger community, is it typically actual fat people?
That kind of creeps me out, especially with the loving attention to detail they have in regards to the exploits of fit young men.
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>>83048476
>Accidentaly steps on a miniature while coming back from the toilet

>>83048378
>t. boomer with a house that doubles in value every other year

On a serious note, have you noticed that more and more of the hobby moves for smaller table footprint? The 3x4 starts to slowly push out 4x4 from the skirmish space. The issue isn't even (or rather - only) the size of the table, but storing enough terrain to fill varied 8x4 tablespace.
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>>83048810
>boomer
I'm 26, but you're otherwise correct
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currently planning out my 3mm Imperial Roman army
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>>83048810
3x4 is really useful for competitive tournament games, since it lets you run 2 matches simultaneously on a 4x6 table.
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>>83048810
It's really not that hard to store two 72x30 tables that fold in half in a closet. If you can set up for beer pong, you can set up for a wargame.
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>>83051303
>t.someone who never lived in an apartment
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>>83051329
I did in college. We brought them out for beer pong when we threw afterparties. The kind that fold in half after you fold in the legs are quite compact and easy to store. Don't get me wrong; it's more convenient to have something that plays on a typical kitchen table; but storing minis and terrain is a way bigger hassle than storing a play surface.
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>>83048825
I’m 26 and poor and still have a table lmao
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>>83045834
Depends on region but stone or plaster over brick would be generally suitable.
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Bump
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>>83051014
Very nice, who are they going to be facing?
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>>83054847
Very nice spine art
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>>83048810
I have noticed this and I'm not a fan. Every major game has reduced its footprint in recent years and none have expanded it, not have any major games using large tables emerged in the meantime.
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>>83051329
Not him, but I live in a small flat and have a folding 6'x4' table that bust out for wargames. It's very practical
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>>83051329
I live in an 3-room apartment and I have two folding plastic picnic tables in the closet that I use for games. Got them at Walmart, easiest thing in the world to find.
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>>83048810
Yeah, I would have loved these small skirmish games when I was a kid and we were struggling to find one of our parents dining tables big enough to play on. But now In my late 20s I want bigger tables and larger games with more room to maneuvr
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>>83044466
SAGA

>>83056084
Very aesthetically pleasing setup anon, good job
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>>83056238
>3-room apartment
you see, I pay a shitload of money for a tiny one room flat. I gotta get out of the city.
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>>83048476
>if they aren't hoarders
You do know it's a miniature games thread, right?
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wondering if there are any ancients rules specifically for MASS mass battles

ie using 2mm/3mm minis representing units like like an entire legion on a big base (similar to Blucher) and fight with full ancient armies
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>>83058448
Hail Caesar
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>>83058479
stop
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>>83058448
Phil Sabin's 'Lost Battles' or the upcoming 'Strength and Honour' rules.
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Would any of you anons be interested in doing a monthly challenge? It used to be a successful part of this general, but now it's completely dead.

I would be willing to pay the winner, who we would vote on, $20 or something
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>>83058448
Aurelian if you're interested in the Crisis of the 3rd Century. If you're so inclined, running SAGA: Age of Hannibal at 3mm works really well if you say one base is like 1000 guys rather than 1. Age of Hannibal (the one written by the Little Wars TV guys) is kind of meh but it does function well. I'm working on one myself for the Hellenistic Period that tries to be kind of a Sam Mustafa game, and another one that is focused on the span from the rise of the Neo-Assyrian Empire through the Greco-Persian War, which is admittedly another 200 year span, which is more inspired by the command systems of Two Fat Lardies and SAGA.
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>>83059119
My hobby spare time is pretty limited at the moment, but I think this is a good idea, and I'd even be prepared to chip in (at a nominal level) to the prize fund. Like, if you ran a "/hwg/ challenge Patreon", I'd do a $1 a month sub.
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>>83059119
I'd be down if I had access to any of those things right now, as I've just moved to a location about 8 hours away for 8 months, which is where all my stuff is.
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>>83059119
I'd be down for it, started embracing historicals more recently so have a motivation to crack on would be nice.
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>>83059119
YES I want more general activity like this
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>>83059119
Any ideas for what kind of challenges you'd be interested in?
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>>83061068
I was thinking painting miniatures, building terrain, etc.

They would be voted on based on a theme, such as maybe whoever makes a unit with the best base, etc.
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Advanced Squad Leader
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>>83061439
I say we do themes of best miniatures by like time period, that’s easy. Ww2, Napoleonic, WW1, French Indian wars, etc.
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>>83062141
Yeah but then people might have to buy stuff they don't have. If the theme was "defense" or something then you could do a shield wall/phalanx, a tank,machine gun nest, knights in full harness, etc. If the theme was just "Napoleonic" then I fear anons who have no interest in Napoleonic miniatures won't participate
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>>83058448
Mark Backhouse has a set called "Strength and Honour" which was made for vast scale 2mm battle. Maybe worth checking it out I don't know much else: https://twitter.com/markbackhouse29
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>>83062231
I agree with this anon; broad themes that fit into any time period make it open to more people.
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Who would you suggest if I need a handful of 28mm Napoleonic French infantry? Not too fussy, mostly for fun, might use them in a small game.
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>>83063245
Perry Miniatures
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>>83061474
as much as I would love to leave 40k behind and learn a proper hex & chit system, I'm pretty sure noone in 500 km range would play it with me.
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>>83062231
yes very general generic concepts that can fit into literally any era or type of warfare, such as
>command & control
>line unit
>scouts
>elites
>defense
>attack
for example
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>>83063417
>40kuck in my general
Get the fuck out paypig
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I want to order soviet landing ships from navwar to use as targets for my air combat games
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Has Neil Thomas' “Ancient and Medieval Wargaming” been shared? I have looked through all of the OP links. My copy is in a box in storage in another state and I don't know when I will be able to get it.
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Is pic related just a completely trash product or am I an idiot and missing something? Shake well, metal models washed and cleaned, let it cure for DAYS. Still easily rubs off spear tips, hard corners of tanks, etc. just with regular handling while painting the model. Also has a tendency to live uncovered spots in recesses when it dries. Like it looks like you covered it when its wet, but you come back to the dry model and see all kinds of little specs of shiny metal in recessed details. I can't figure this stuff out, it seems like complete trash.
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>>83064312
It's shit, Vallejo primer is the worst on the market. Use a lacquer based primer for metals, water based doesn't stick worth a damn to them. If you must use a water based one, get Stynylrez.
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>>83064403
Why couldn't Badger come up with a pronounceable brand name for their primer?
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>>83059119
Of course, but if I'm really honest, I probably wouldn't participate unless it aligned to my mini plans that month anyway. I barely have enough time for my own projects
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>>83064312
Is the first 74.x there just the larger bottle size? I have a 73.x bottle, 200ml, which I used fully and never had any troubles with at 6, 10, and 28mm, and with metal, plastic and resin. I've always found that it dries very quickly, a 15-30 minuter is usually enough to start painting over most things. Maybe you have a poor batch, or maybe I was really lucky? Do you brush prime or use an airbrush, it says on the back that its for airbrush use but I've only ever brush primed.
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>>83063245
Perry are the best imo

their Elite Companies box has dynamic poses for skirmishy type games, but I also love their normal infantry based in close files
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>>83063904
As requested. https://www.mediafire.com/file/wauwmy4uv3s2s7o/Neil_Thomas_-_Ancient_%2526_Medieval_Wargaming-The_History_Press_%25282013%2529.pdf/file
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Newfag here, can someone explain why Warlord rulesets are so despised? I’ve read through them dozens of times and can’t see anything particularly egregious
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>>83064312
Vallejo can’t do primers. Just paint on bare metal then varnish
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>>83066951
They’re boring, they’re all either just warmaster or just 4th Ed 40k
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>>83066951
Because people actually play them
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>>83066951
Because they're fun games rather than historical games.
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>>83066951
>I’ve read through them dozens of times and can’t see anything particularly egregious
Right, that's your opinion. I don't like them, because I find them awfully unfun to play - for instance, I think that the command system for Bolt Action does not present the player with any difficult decisions and is fundamentally unfun, while the pin/damage system is clunky at best, and the weapons themselves result in a microtactical level that tends to not work well. But that's my opinion and there can be people who adore it.
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>>83066951
With the battle games Priestley et al are all boomers with decades old collections, thousands of models, shelves full of terrain and massive tables in large gaming rooms; and would rather play a different era week to week with the same rough architecture than to spend time learning systems that might better represent individual eras. That's fine, I certainly had fun with my club of boomers when I was at uni, but I've moved for work, I'm buying a house, I don't have the time, money, or inclination to collect many eras with hundreds of 28mm troops each and terrain for a 16'x6' table.

Bolt Action, while a decent enough system, is similarly only cosmetically a WWII game, its largest audience are ex 40k players for whom it scratches a similar sort of itch as 3rd and 4th ed 40k.

Anything Warlord do in scales sub 28mm they do in novel scales to lock you in to their products which is pretty scummy — though sometimes their choice of scales, though novel, are reasonably thought out. 1/700 (Black Seas) is close to the limit of small miniature scale land based engagements, so one could fight combined arms engagements like the Siege of Acre. Likewise Cruel Seas is 1/300 or 6mm.
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>>83066982
What’s warmaster
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>>83067212
>fun games
Get the fuck out of here with that shit. This is a thread for historical wargames, not fun.
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>>83067212
no theyre not fun as games either, they are not good in any category vs other options, thats the real issue
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>>83068165
10mm Warhammer Fantasy ruleset
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>>83067212
>>83068745
This. The only fun games are written by GW or ex GW staff
t. temporarily embarrassed 40k collector
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>>83066951
Personally, I find them incredibly average to mediocre. Bolt Action is about as interesting as chewing cardboard as all the interesting parts of the gameplay are metagame stuff; army list composition, dice pull use, very little of what goes on is engaging in a sense that it could be separated from the metagame aspects when thinking about it. The line of sight rules for this were particularly egregious in solidifying the game being about the toys on the table, not actually representing anything historical.

Pike and shot is my main experience with their large battle games and it's so utterly mediocre. There's an ok system in there but it's presented so fuckawfully. Like the entire rules could probably be covered in fewer than 15 pages but they're written in this rambling conversational style that creates issues when referencing them, and formatted in a way where there's constant visual distractions of no use just cluttering the pages. As an aside their unit packs are also terribly presented as the standard infantry formation doesn't even do a good job of representing the ranks of infantry and muskets in it's typical English Civil War/30 Years War setting and instead is this awkward wide T shape with the shot not even attached to the pike. The Hail Caesar and Black Powder games follow the same terrible formatting and overly flashy presentation.

And then there are the side games like Cruel Seas which was a gigantic case of who the fuck wants this and why the fuck did nobody proofread it even in passing? Proofreading being a problem they've had getting even worse over time, to the point they've forgotten to include rules that are referenced. They did a whole lot of these poorly made shitshows. So they've just been getting worse over time. Even Rick Priestly stated he doesn't play 2nd edition Bolt Action.

Mediocre games given a thick coat of gloss to distract, and gradually worsening quality.
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>>83069562
Black powder is their best imo but it’s better when you use 25mm bases but 6mm infantry blocks
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>>83064312
>>83064403
I brush it on and have very few problems with it. I tend to leave it 24hrs to cure (way longer than stated) and sometimes do two coats.
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>>83065922
Thank you very much--I am grateful.
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Which of the plastic soldier company 'plastic' sets are bad again?
Looking at the late roman and HYW sets
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>>82992646
Shit taste desu.
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>>83070182

What do you mean are bad again?
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>>83070454
Bad as in the sculpts are bad, again as in referring to previous conversations in this general about how certain sets from the plastic soldier company are poor quality sculpts
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>>83014335
Thanks, I have checked out both and have placed orders.
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>>83063082
well now that you sent me down the rabbit hole of that game I came across a line of 2mm minis specifically being made for this game

now I can't decide between 2mm purely abstract blocks, or the actual discrete albeit incredibly small 3mm strips of soldiers
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I would be interested. I agree that broad themes are best; I tend to just pick something from the backlog that matches the theme for challenges (here and elsewhere).
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>>83070710
At this scale you might as well be playing with blocks. Literally what is the point of even bothering to paint anything like this?
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>>83070966
yeah might as well just be solid colour blocks eh
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>>83070182
HYW are the best, being re-made Corvus Belli figs.

Late Romans are OK, the Cav (Equites) a bit lacking in poses, the infantry are better: the armoured Infantry a good mix of poses and equipment.

>>83070710
If you want huge scale battles, I've not seen anything better. They also make an effort with terrain which I like.
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>>83064312
Best for an airbrush which is how I use it. Not great for metal I will say, but OK for me. If you're having problems, use something else.
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>>83065375
>>83063256
Thanks, that should cover it. Looks like the various command sprues will let me convert a dismounted curassier for the other /wg/
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>>83070710
>>83071350
Where are the strength and honour rules I can’t seem to find them anywhere to purchase or in a media fire
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>>83071459
they're due to be published sometime soon by the TooFatLardies guys under Reisswitz Press
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>>83071488
Oh, what other rules could I feasibly use
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>>83071525
the basing seems to be identical to Impetus. Or there's To The Strongest, which I haven't played but I believe is very flexible due to being played on a grid (as will Strength and Honour)
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how many aircraft do I need per side for WW1 air combat with 1/300 scale minis for a typical game?
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>>83071525
Depending on if you're doing say 500 BCE to 100 CE, then 'Lost Battles' is a set that Strength and Honour was influenced by. It's worth getting those rules just for the background on ancient warfare in the period, and the extensive designer notes on how he goes about modelling it.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/34403/lost-battles-reconstructing-great-clashes-ancient
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>>83064992
I believe its the same paint. I brush prime, everything I read said its suitable for both methods. TBF I find it works fine on plastic models and seems more resilient on smooth surfaces, but sharp edges like hard corners and tips of details and stuff it just rubs right off.
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Anyone has the pdf of Rise of Eagles for Clash of Spears?



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