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>>82979359>TQFor your reference:
>>82979359>TQJedi don't have balls, if they did they wouldn't have been the senate's little bitch.
>Sorry Fett, but good word on the street is that you're struggling to get this little operation of yours off the ground. Well the good folks at the New Republic would like it to stay that way.
>>82979359>TQ: Do Jedi still feel pain when you kick them in the balls?https://youtu.be/IC--C5SGhnI
How high quality are imperial blasters compared to civilian and black market models?
>>82979722I really wish I wouldn't laugh as hard as I do to stupid shit like this.
>>82979759I feel like the E11 is a lot like any other standard military rifle.It's not the most amazing thing in the world, but it's probably better then what any civilian could ever get legally or without a ton of hassle. Yeah there's definitely gonna be guns that can outclass it, but this is a gun meant to be mass produced for grunt work. Which it suits well.
>>82971677>Another red flag given the trend in some other D+ shows too now is the young female lead played by Moses Ingram. We've already had Loki and Hawkeye becoming more about the female sidekicks than the established leads. Although to Hawkeye's credit Kate Bishop was handled well. But still, these projects are advertized as solo ventures and they turn into springboards for other characters within them. Black Widow also did that with Yelena so it's not just limited to male characters. So I wonder if Obi-Wan will end up being more of a second fiddle to some younger character.Moses Ingram said she "plays with lightsabers" so I'm guessing she's one of the Inquisitors. I find it more likely that Kumail Nanjiani plays the funny sidekick character considering that his usual role in others movies/shows.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I've been rewatching Star Wars Resistance and it's actually not that bad. I suspect it's a combination of no longer being able to disappoint with what they come up with, since I know where the story is going, and being one of the least offensive things to come from the Sequels.Don't get me wrong, it's still a mess and I wouldn't actually suggest anyone watch it. I'm only doing it because I'm bored. The main character is a complete moron and it's a show that features racing but barely actually has any racing and every time the main character races his ship is too much of a piece of shit. But there's still things I like, at least because they're so fitting for such a shitty era, like learning that the New Republic not only barely teaches their pilots to fly but they never even get live fire blaster training, and given how shitty a shot Kaz is apparently you don't actually have to have a passing grade at the simulated firing range. The highlight of the entire shitstorm is the main characters, including little kids, repeatedly beating a Stormtrooper unconscious until they render him too retarded to turn them in.There's also pure shit they add to the sequels like the FO being more ridiculously wasteful than previously revealed, somehow able to carve up entire solar systems while coring out entire planets, and also their Stormtroopers aren't just kidnapped child soldiers but undergo repeated mental conditioning known rather tastefully as "mindscraping" so they can be torn down and rebuilt mentally when they underperform. Somehow instead of being victims even the ex-Stormtrooper in the films is glad to gun them down.
>>82979359One of Luke's instructors is a 1990s FPS hero. Thus, all NJO students possess balls of steel.
So I just finished Attack of the ClonesBefore I dip into TCW, is there a list that puts them in chronological order AND excludes the least important episodes. I want to get through the filler.
>>82980127>I want to get through the fillerThat's all of TCW. None of it is essential to the films.
>>82980127Where are you watching it? D+ has a collection of the best episodes.
>>82980127Here's one but it's not in chronological order
>>82980127There are no unimportant episodes. You could skip jar jar episodes if you hate him, I suppose.Chronological order is on starwars.com just Google "clone wars chronological order."
>>82980205This guide is fucking trash made to troll people on /co/, stop posting it.
>>82980205>>82980127I found this, but it bundles in gendie wars and some novels here and there.
>>82980177>>82980205I am watching on D+. All I see is a full roster of the episodes. Where can I find the collection of best episodes so I can cross reference with best ones?And does something similar appear with rebels?
>>82980271Just watch all the Clone Wars episodes. You'll appreciate the good even more when you can accurately compare it to the worst of it.
>>82980271What is your reason for watching? Watch it all or don't bother. You will miss on character development and world building and themes and much more by skipping.
>>82980088>it's still a mess and I wouldn't actually suggest anyone watch it>The main character is a complete moron>it's a show that features racing but barely actually has any racing and every time the main character races his ship is too much of a piece of shit>there's still things I like, at least because they're so fitting for such a shitty era>repeatedly beating a Stormtrooper unconscious until they render him too retarded to turn them inPlease don't delude yourself, my young Padawan. Let go, and accept the better things in SW over this
>>82980360>accept the better things in SW over thisOver what exactly?
>>82980360I swear Captain Doza, his jailbait daughter, and the TIE Boomer were the only things I could remember from the show. Well besides Kaz's idiocy.
>>82980301>>82980316I'm running a campaign set just 2 years after ROTS. I'm trying to get a feel for the setting based off of everything that came before. I want to watch more than just the bare minimum but I've heard some episodes fill no purpose and are just utter trash
>>82980271>And does something similar appear with rebels?Unfortunately not, Rebels is actually quite devious with how it sneaks in plot developments in the "filler" episodes.
>>82980424You heard wrong. The "worst" episode of TCW is still better than anything in Book of Boba Fett or most of the Rebels or Bad Batch.
>>82980424If you want the aftermath of ROTS and the transition from Republic to the Empire, then watch Bad Batch. It's not nearly as good, but it's basically a party of PCs dealing with exactly that.
>>82980127>>82980271Whatever you do don't follow >>82980205 it leaves out a ton of really important episodes which are absolutely vital to the story. Just watch everything and follow the official chronology. https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder
>>82980390>Well besides Kaz's idiocy.Which was really their biggest mistake. You can make a main hero young, inexperienced, even naive, but also a great pilot - that's basically Farmboy Luke. But making him a constant panicky screaming idiot, with an even bigger idiot as his sidekick in Neeku, it's just way too much. You're basically making a show with Jar Jar and his best friend Jar Jar.That said, it's perfect for the Sequel Era.
>>82980459I decided to start season 1 before coming here to ask and you're fucking wrong
These clowns will appear in boba fett, screencap this.
>>82980487Too be fair he's a senator's son so at least it makes sense.
>>82980518You just have shit taste, friend.
>>82980522>they're the cyborg scooter gang all grown up
>>82980597I hope they'll kill those vespa retards.They are heavily featured in the comic books and they work with Qi'ra and crimson dawn. Someone said boba shit will connect to the sequels. I don't see han solo appearing - that's retarded and makes no sense and too gratuitous. These fucks do make sense, though.
>>82980424Check out Collapse of the Republic if you haven't already. It should bring you up to speed on the essentials of the Clone Wars' end and immediate aftermath. Saga Edition also had a Clone Wars source book if you want an additional reference source. Remember: if you're the GM, your continuity is the only one that matters. The only required materials are the films and game rules. TCW, like all other content outside Episodes I-VI, is completely optional.
>>82980088Resistance is fine for what it is as a children's show, in some ways I actually find it better than Rebels or Bad Batch like how focused it compared to those shows. Rebels/Bad Batch tended to be all over the place which fucked over the pacing of the season overall whereas Resistance at least centers around the Colossus and has a firm supporting cast.I do agree with you that Kaz is annoying as fuck though, it really feels like Poe should have been the main character but because Oscar Isaac is presumably expensive, the protagonist role was granted to his sidekick which doesn't work.Also ironically the First Order are treated more seriously in Resistance than the Empire ever were in Rebels, like at the very least the FO are allowed to win at some points and it took two seasons just to destroy a single Star Destroyer.tl;dr Resistance doesn't ever reach the highs of Rebels and Bad Batch but it's more consistent at least.
>>82979759They're on par for the most part, it's just that the Imperials get to buy in bulk and the brass get major kickbacks from their friends in the company. Typical military industrial bullshit.>>82980636>These fucks do make sense, though.How? How does a Force cult make sense in a show about """criminals""" on Tatooine? If you were talking about Ahsoka or Kenobi you'd have more of a leg to stand on, but not with the Book of Bob.>>82974840>>82974849>>82974916>>82974956>>82974974>the concept art looks way better than the actual showAs always, even the vespas looked cool in the concept art since the tacky faux-chrome detailing around the light was black internals instead. They should've kept with that, would've made them stick out less.
>>82980636>I hope they'll kill those vespa retards.I bet they'll be killed, or at least a few of them.The flashback scenes in second episode had Boba enlist the Tuskens in a fight against the Pykes, and then in the third episode, the Tuskens die. I wouldn't be surprised if the fourth episode shows Boba avenging his Tusken bros in the flashback scenes, then watching his new gang members die in the present day and resolving to set aside the "rule with respect" thing and just going all out in the last few episodes.
>>82980205>exempts the entirety of season 4
>>82980690>filmsFilms barely have any clone wars. Films suck.
>>82980727>How? How does a Force cult make sense in a show about """criminals""" on Tatooine?They are working with bounty hunters, and Qi'ra in particular, and they are scavengers or something. They could make for good antagonist.
>>82980459Bombad Jedi tests a man's patience. It's times like that you find the 30 minute duration mercifully brief.
>>82980636>Someone said boba shit will connect to the sequels. I don't see han solo appearing - that's retarded and makes no sense and too gratuitous. These fucks do make sense, though.If Han really appears then maybe he does so with a young Ben Solo, the other candidates are Maz Kanata, Kanjiklub, Knights of Ren as you said, or Rothgar Deng.
>>82980786Still has Padmé's perky ass and tits. And Jar Jar cosplaying a Jedi (looks like Darth Jar Jar, too) is kind of funny. More funny that anything he did in TPM, anyway.
>>82980763Good. That's less filler to waste GM Anon's time.
>>82980522Cannot figure out what keeps some rando with a plain ol blaster from just shooting half of them. They don't have the fancy lightsabers that make jedi nigh-unkillable to the standard forces
>>82979759They're more or less a baseline weapon in most cases, the carbines and pistols are pretty bare bones and just do what it says on the can without any real fancy features. You'll more or less find the same qualities on most service weapons- cheap, functional, works most of the time.Not really a fair comparison to compare them to highly upgraded customs or heavily accessorised variants which might feature strap on flame throwers, better sighting systems or other space magic. For that you need to bounce up a level into things like Stormcommandos or Death Troopers who have all the mad tacticool shit. There's also the bottom of the barrel, saturday night special market in star wars as well, there's a whole morass of cheap, nasty and eminently disposable stuff out there which is made or sold to various 'unethical' types that are cobbled together from spare parts, made by dodgy small manufactures and various underground/underworld facilities. Those tend to be kind of a response to an endless requirement for gangs, criminals and other assorted murdery types who need to kill someone on a semi-regular basis and don't have an account with Blastech.That's just for basic weapons- not specialist stuff like crew served guns, sniper rifles or stuff that makes explosions and fire.
>>82980980They don't engage in such combat, I presume.I haven't watched the sequels or read any comic books, by the way. I know them from the visual guides.
>>82981003Only one of them has a blaster, the rest use technoey hedge trimmers and meat cleavers. Kylo kills them all in a minute or two.
>>82981003>>82980980Oh, and they have gunners, too. They can shoot back.
I miss the Letterkenny posting
>>82980980They have guns and can use the Force, I think I remember the visual dictionary comparing them to the Inquisitors in terms of power.
>>82980980>Cannot figure out what keeps some rando with a plain ol blaster from just shooting half of themBecause the writers always put them into situations wherein they're inexplicably paired against people who also use silly melee weapons.
>>82981082That only makes it worse. Nucanon inquisitors are about as dangerous as the Pilaf Gang.
>>82980537Which is true. The show opens with Kaz talking to his father and his father making it clear that he'd gone out of his way to ensure his son got whatever (he felt) Kaz wanted. It's not a stretch to imagine he forced them to pass his son, given how corrupt the New Republic was. But it also makes perfect sense for a galactic military power who parks its entire fleet around their capital world and can't be arsed to do anything with it. As in there is never any sense that any of them have ever had to do any actual real military work beyond looking good for the holocams during good will inspections and performing ridiculous overly pomped up exercises during celebrations. (I believe the latter is in Bloodline with X-Wings flying in formation for cheering crowds)>>82980723Sadly since they came out in the middle of the sequels, and with the sequels being a half-baked exercise in idiocy where no one vision had any idea where the hell the plot was going, there was only so much they could do. They did achieve some minor worldbuilding, at least. Not much but it is there, and most of it is perfectly fitting for that shitty era.
>>82980800>KanjiklubThat kind of makes sense given Leech appearing in the bounty hunter comics as a young, stupid, violent person just perfect for his future career as an older, stupid, violent person but now with a gang of similar idiots. What was that shit about Crimson Dawn supposedly appearing? Something about a leaked soundtrack.
>>82981181>Sadly since they came out in the middle of the sequels, and with the sequels being a half-baked exercise in idiocy where no one vision had any idea where the hell the plot was going, there was only so much they could do. They did achieve some minor worldbuilding, at least. Not much but it is there, and most of it is perfectly fitting for that shitty era.It is unfortunate since unlike the folks in charge of the era they did try to plan out the thing. If the ear had even the vaguest direction the show could've done what the TCW did for the prequals.
Is he the best Vader replacement voice?
>>82979676Tatooine's not part of the Republic.
>>82981216>What was that shit about Crimson Dawn supposedly appearing? Something about a leaked soundtrack.Not leaked but Crimson Dawn's leitmotif appears in the Book of Boba Fett title themeMain theme (at 1:49): https://youtu.be/3a0tH0fkvW8Crimson Dawn theme: https://youtu.be/RZr506tMZ3E
>>82981544At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Fett has a history with them and maybe worked together. I mean even bloody Dengar is invited to work with Qi'ra.And, hey, Manaroo is back on the menu, sleemos.
Has there ever been an explanation to why Inquisitor blades provide lift? Are they actually antigrav stuff in the hilt or did someone get high & think lightsaber blades worked just as well as helicopter blades?
>>82981648>"The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural."
>>82981635Boba and Qi'ra don't have the best relations after the events of War of the Bounty Hunters
>>82981712Eh, wouldn't be the first time he's come to work for someone he hates or who tried to kill him. Hell, he still works for Jabba and Jabba put a huge ass bounty on his head before even waiting for an explanation.If she butters him up in the respect department I imagine it wouldn't take much for him to consider working for them. But I can't see him as a joiner. More like Dengar. What's the job, and when do I get paid.
>>82980800Wow, they just let the Sontarans in Star Wars like that?
Would he really make for a good Dengar in live-action?
so which SW system is the best? Saga or Edge of the Empire?i like KOTOR Era
For a large scale Star Wars ground wargame, what are key elements of the feel of Star Wars ground battles that should set it apart from say Epic or Fistful of TOWs?
>>82981884Not really. Dengar is but more built than he is
>>82980088I rather liked Resistance, up until they actually had to tangle with the actual plots of the sequels. Like at one point Kaz and Poe head to a solar system that mysteriously no longer has a sun. And they simply brush it off as 'oh, well I guess the First Order can eat suns now'. That's something that should be freaking them the hell out. Like when Han and Luke show up at Alderaan they're incredibly confused as to why they aren't at Alderaan, and where this random asteroid field came from, and what that small moon is doing over there. That the First Order can eat suns now should alarm them greatly cause that's not a thing in Star Wars up until that point. It'd be kind of like seeing an Atomic Bomb testing prior to 1945 and going 'huh, guess the Americans can just wipe cities off the map with a single bomb now'. Anyway, outside of that, I thought they did the best they could. I thought them setting it in a cross between Casablanca and the Mos Eisley Cantina was brilliant, and when they tried to deal with the politics of the factions I thought it was a thousand times better than anything in the films. >>82980248Really I think the only thing you need to do with Genndy Wars is watch the first season (which is only an hour long combined mind you) before starting Filoni Wars, as it introduce Ventress, and covers Anakin as he's still a Padawan, and then start Filoni Wars, and watch the second season of Genndy Wars prior to the final season of Filoni Wars, since it roughly lines up to just before Revenge of the Sith. Though I suppose if you want to be more accurate, you can start after the Bad Batch and the sisters arc of Season 7.>>82980271The anachronistic order thing I think only lasts into season 2 or 3. Rebels is in chronological order- though there is the 'Rebels Shorts' five minute character introductions that are prior to the start of Season 1.
>>82981893>what are key elements of the feel of Star Wars ground battles that should set it apart from say Epic or Fistful of TOWs?I just smash my action figures together and spout the sound effects out of my mouth
>>82980487I liked him being a terrible shot- cause it makes sense an ace-pilot wouldn't necessarily be good with a handgun, and it keeps him from being too skilled. That said, I do wish he was a bit calmer under pressure so he doesn't seem on verge of outing himself as a spy. I like the idea that he accidentally ends up seeming so incompetent nobody suspects him capable of being a spy, but the way he'll nervously stammer through accusations seems too much.>>82980786Honestly I don't know why people don't like that episode. I think Jar-Jar is just fine. >>82980980I have no clue why they didn't bother giving them fancy weapons. Like I know people nitpick the throne-room fight, but that showed that they clearly CAN make a proper fight scene against a light-saber user without other guys having light-sabers. Honestly if they did a special-edition and they just completely edited out the Knights of Ren, I think we'd be better off, cause you could then retcon them into something actually cool.
>>82981936Based Filoni and FavreauUnironically they’re the best thing to happen to this setting
>>82981930>when they tried to deal with the politics of the factions I thought it was a thousand times better than anything in the films.The most interesting parts of the ST era are ironically before or after the movies themselves, the FO-Resistance conflict is basically just Empire vs Rebels again so it's more compelling when it was still at the "Cold War" stage when both factions weren't at outright war with each other and had to settle for discreetly one-upping and undermining each other.
>>82981930On the other hand this is entirely consistent with Poe "Roll With it" Dameron."Somehow...Palpatine has returned."
>>82981987So like Napoleonic Infantry + WW2 tanks?
>>82981979I've seen the response that pilots shouldn't know how to shoot, but real world militaries still give them training. Plus in Star Wars you're always landing at some weird place investigating shit on foot. It's like breathing to them.Even a TIE pilot knows he's eventually going to have to use that blaster he was issued, though they can't actually do any better than Stormtroopers so it's actually an unfortunate example.
>>82981979>I have no clue why they didn't bother giving them fancy weapons.Because they're a biker gang.
>>82982078That actually fits better for the weirdos in Book of Boba Fett. They'd probably pawn any blasters you give them for spice money and continue using a chain, a vibro switchblade, or random length of some droid's arm.
>>82979359Does anyone else feel there are *too many* races in Star Wars? Seeing all the races in Mos Eisely is great and everything, but when there are hundreds of races that are just humans with horns coming out of their forehead or chin, it cheapens the value of the universe. Humans are overwhelmingly the most common race, but seeing other "one-off" races is so common that it makes you wonder where they're all coming from. Every 'one-off' race has its own homeworld, it's own culture, and presumably needed to develop space travel on their own, yet we almost never see any creature's homeworld. Just throw in more and more species to fill in the background whenever it suits.
>>82981093That seems to be most fights these days. Boba Fett series has way too many people fighting with glowing chains, machetes, pointy sticks, and elaborate decorated clubs. series is leaning way too dam much into the medieval fantasy, but in space aspect.
>>82982199Carl Sagan doesn't. Also there are too many white people.Pretty sure he was largely joking given the venue he was on, so please don't bite my head off.
>>82981891the wizards of the coast one is d&d, the fantasy flight one is a custom system with wacky narrative twist dicewotc has a kotor book. it's personal preference but i like the fantasy flight one for capturing the feel
>>82982199It's almost like galaxies are really fucking big.
So Holiday Special is canon?
>>82983056 For a Holiday Treat share a sniff with the kids. Glitterstim is fine if done in moderation.
>>82980522The negative charisma on this picture is impressive.
>>82981635>ManarooHow does Dengar keep doing it and getting this cute blue waifu ?
>>82983056always has been
>>82982047That's basicly Geonosis and anyone who try to tell you the the white clone armor on the red sand of Geonosis fighting the metallic black droid wasn't kino is either a liar or got shit tier taste.
>>82980205>>Another red flag given the trend in some other D+ shows too now is the young female lead played by Moses Ingram. We've already had Loki and Hawkeye becoming more about the female sidekicks than the established leads. Although to Hawkeye's credit Kate Bishop was handled well. But still, these projects are advertized as solo ventures and they turn into springboards for other characters within them. Black Widow also did that with Yelena so it's not just limited to male characters. So I wonder if Obi-Wan will end up being more of a second fiddle to some younger character.>Moses Ingram said she "plays with lightsabers" so I'm guessing she's one of the Inquisitors. I find it more likely that Kumail Nanjiani pthis is good if you only want lore relevant episodesbut there's some pretty great eps for fans of animation / star wars in general
>>82980980they are somewhat trained force sensitives. meaning they are precogs.
>>82980424nothing in TCW is gonna help you unless you wanna invent a warzone and that's a shitty reason to watch TCWs.
>>82983056and the Ewok movies
>>82983861Perhaps the comics end up answering that question. His arc in the EU may be a bit simple but it was satisfying. Hopefully Dengar and Manaroo get a somewhat happy ending despite what they hint at in the TFA visual guide.As it is in Nu-canon he is the least developped of the ESB bounty hunters being just a grumpy asshole that has no qualms about selling one of his colleagues out. The whole Payback shtick was cliche but it gave him a gimmick.Every other ESB bounty hunter would be pretty easy to make in Legion while having a unique feel to them, but I don't really see how to stat Dengar outside of just making him the budget bounty hunter, cheaper than his peers but doesn't bring anything new to the list.Then again maybe keeping his Payback thing from Legends like they did in IA would be the best way introduce him to Legion.
>>82980830>More funny that anything he did in TPM, anyway.That should NOT be your bar.
>>82984056Yeah it was a satisfying ending, Dengar realised he needed to stop fucking around and leave his waifu alone in dangerous place, calm down, marry her and go settle in a peacefull place to live a tranquill life with her, it was good.
>>82984056>despite what they hint at in the TFA visual guide?
>>82984173It's actually the TROS visual guide, it implied Dengar had become a deformed cyborg by the ST era >>82980800
>>82984129Well if we are talking about Jar Jar, that is where he was introduced. So it's not like there is any other bar when talking about this character.
>>82984211Cursed you be Rise of Skywalker, you will not steal from me the cute and wholesome romance that Manaroo deserve ! Dengar will have his bloo waifu.
>>82981023>Kylo kills them all in a minute or two.He literally waves his teleported lightsaber around and they all die instantlyIt was over so quick I didn't have time to laugh about teleporting lightsaber bullshit
>>82984329It's telling that like two or three magna-guard held longer against Jedi considerably stronger than Kylo than those absolute jobbers did against him.So much for the "Knight of Ren" they tried to hype.
>>82981382This reads like they had all those contradicting ideas and decided to apply or reject them in random order>Let's make a kid show>But it must include references to main movies>Let's make it about racing>No, because it's gonna be repetitiveFfs sake, kids love racing shows and don't give a shit if it is "repetitive" as long as you don't overuse the same shots each episodeAnd can I say this show looks really bad aesthetically for me?I mean, each time I see a screenshot or character pic on Wookieepedia, it looks like there is a lightning setup consisting of 200 Watt lightbulbs always pointing at thingsAnd it looks like a technological prototype and not a finished piece of animation
>>82981884Dengar was able to scuffle with ChewbaccaUsing weapons and not very successfully in the end, but still, he was able and willing to engage a Wookie in close combattl'drnot really
>>82982199Not really, no?I don't really follow the notion of how it "cheapens the value of the universe"?
>>82984345It's another of the "failed potentials" of STI mean, even the comic about Kylo meeting and joining them was goddamn awful, and I'm not talking about "art"
>>82984498It was a strange decision to retcon the Knights of Ren into what is essentially a dark side biker gang instead of Luke's former students as was originally implied in the movies?
>>82984550Honestly, at that point, it didn't matter to me, but the comic completely failed to bring any interesting things into the universe, it failed to explain why Ben Solo actually fell to the Dark Side (unless teen angst is really an answer), and I hated the use of copy&pasted Adam Driver's old face that was weirdly scaled compared to his bodyI also still do not understand what exactly is that thing on Ren's chest - charred skin? Some kind of special mesh material with random bits of meat here and there? Shit looked ridiculous, especially since it seems he wears it constantly
>>82984608IIRC it's supposed to be charred skin because 'muh dark side powered by suffering' or because of Dark side corruption, can't remember. But those definitely were burn scars.Also I guess it served as a sort of parallel to Vader.
>>82984608>I also still do not understand what exactly is that thing on Ren's chest - charred skin? Some kind of special mesh material with random bits of meat here and there? Shit looked ridiculous, especially since it seems he wears it constantlyI think it actually is charred skin, maybe he got it from Palpatine's Force lightning?
>>82984726So what this thing is going toward, does she want to take down Palpatine ? Isn't Crimson Dawn controled by Maul at this point ?
>>82984751Nah, Maul's long dead by this point and been ousted from power in the Crimson Dawn.
>>82984813Who did he job too to lose his own organisation ?
>>82983861He's a good guy and has a big heart. Fuck the TROS visual dictionary. Dengar's true fate is making lighter shade of blue babies with Manroo.
>>82984828Presumably Inqusitors chased him out and Qira picked up the pieces
>>82984608I feel like Adam Driver explained it better than anyone else. So basically from Ben is an archetype of a child with hero parents. It explores the concept quite well actually, like even thought both Han and Leia loved their son, they were "heroes" first and parents second. Plus the book mentioned how Han was unable to relate to his force sensitive son and preferred to leave, interact with other kids and teach new pilots, when it's also mentioned how Ben's dream was to be a pilot like his dad (aka he wanted to be like him, he loved Han). There was also mention how Han was scared of his force powers and Ben overheard his parents saying he is a monster when he was a little kid. Ben got send of to uncle look, from ROKR we can see how he looked up to Luke, but it still feels like Luke tried to put distance between them so he was giving equal attention to everyone. Basically once Ben was left with Luke he was left with no family, it's canon that his parents never visited. Thats why once school is destroyed and the relative he looked up to tried to murder him Snoke is the only one he feels like he can reach out to, because that creep was always lurking in his mind. I always felt the whole point of Kylo was that he was still too light to get fully corrupted by the dark side, he killed Han to go fully dark but the deed broke his spirit even more. Keep in mind, Leia's book Bloodline mentions how she felt some dark force (snoke/now palps?) was reaching out to Ben when he was in her womb. So basically Snoke was lurking in his mind from the beginning and still he opposed the dark till the end, Luke's one second weakness was his breaking point.
>>82984929Kylo is a legacy character that was crushed by the weight of it, both dark and light sides of his bloodline. Really cool concept to explore, like possible results of being a hero and putting other people and cause on pedestal which distances you from your own kid and how it can cause destruction of what you thought was more important than him.
>>82984828Himself.I choose to believe he got so busy masturbating to not-Kreia's ASMR holocrons while reciting the Sith code that he forgot to run his crime syndicate.That's how he ends up on Malachor in Rebels.
>>82984929So the whole thing lay on Han being a terrible deadbeat dad and Leia having a conversation where she call her son a monster. And on Snoke having bullshit "corrupt baby in their mother womb a galaxy away" (seriously wtf).How can people complain about Anakin corruption arc being shit when Kylo got "Well Snoke used the Force to creep on him mentally since before he was born and every OT character where terrible parents".
>>82984990>Trust no one, not even yourselfLol, this is what happen when you try to make sens of Kreia rumbling kids.Also imagine being Quira here>What the fuck is he talking about>Who the fuck is this KEEENOOOOBIIIIIIIIIII>Fuck my secret boss is even more insane than the official one I killed
>>82984991You miss the part where Kylo is never fully dark or a Sith.
>>82985052Yeah I would have loved to see that in the movies instead of a tryhard edgelord who get sidelined by a weird Palpatine plot.
>>82984991>How can people complain about Anakin corruption arc being shit when Kylo got "Well Snoke used the Force to creep on him mentally since before he was born and every OT character where terrible parents".The fact that A is shit doesn't mean that B can't also be shit. Prequels aren't magically good just because Disney can't stop pump out disappointments.
>>82984709>it's supposed to be charred skinBurned human flesh does not look like thatBut then why I am expecting a US comic 'artist' to actually look up things on google
>>82985073/tg/ is a board that's half about worldbuilding so of course they'd prefer the prequels but they do tend to go overboard with defending and trying to justify every aspect of them in their circlejerk.
>>82984929>I feel like Adam Driver explained it better than anyone elseYeah, that story of Jacen Solo turning Dark Side suddenly deserves a fuckin Pulitzer in comparison to this crap
>>82985389>of course they'd prefer the prequelsMost of the overzealous PTfaggotry happened after the TFA newfag wave. Old /swg/ was usually chill enough to enjoy the merits of both trilogies but had the most fun with the OT and Imperial Civil War.
>>82985389>but they do tend to go overboard with defending and trying to justify every aspect of them in their circlejerk.This is a strawman, right hereI never met a person who was defending EVERY aspect of prequels in more than a decade I spent hereUnless you count low effort shit-posting when someones post a fat Lucas with a caption "apologize" beside
>>82985430>IT WAS ME BARRY!! I WENT BACK IN TIME AND CHANGED THE EVENTS OF THE STAR WARS TIMELINE SO YOU COULD HAVE AUTISTIC FIT ONLINE!!
>>82985400Legacy of the Force is a shitshow from Troy Denning and Karen Traviss. Prequel rehash with Jacen as Vader Jr.But now it looks like Citizen Kane because of JJ and Rian. I swear canon always copied that bad parts from EU and then made it worse somehow. Palpy clone. Palpatine's grand kid. Han's son gone bad. Abuse of superweapons.At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if we have canon Vong boogaloo.
>>82985603The Grysk and the Chiss Lolita Express will be the closest to the Vong.
>>82985603I hope we do. And I hope the writing is even more asinine than in the original Vong Invasion. Let the galaxy burn. There's no saving it.
>>82985389There are some PT shitposting here for sure but it was never serious. But now we have unironic sequels defenders. "The sequels are dogshit made by the people who hate the franchise/the fans but we have to redeem them because of reasons". We have people watching dogshit like Resistance.
>>82972900I remember when this got posted forever ago, looks like you can get 2/3.
>>82981181>Sadly since they came out in the middle of the sequels, and with the sequels being a half-baked exercise in idiocy where no one vision had any idea where the hell the plot was going, there was only so much they could do. They did achieve some minor worldbuilding, at least. Not much but it is there, and most of it is perfectly fitting for that shitty era.From what I understand, the Sequel era plot of EAFront 2 had their sequel era plot butchered because they couldn't get a straight answer from Lucasfilm/Rian about where the ST was going. Without that context it was near impossible to create a satisfying complimentary side-story, which is one of the major reason's the campaign sucked so hard (well, that and Iden being a dirty defector rather than an Imperial MC)
Hey, quick question you lot may know the answer to, because I can't think of one.What do you call someone in the Star Wars universe that transports goods and/or passengers from planet to planet, but who does so legally and hence isn't a smuggler?
>>82985712Couriers? Freighter Captains?
>>82985712Transporter, freighter captain, passenger liner captain, courier, shuttle pilot, totally legitimate businessman.
>>82983880It was kino, but it's kinda difficult to resolve with Hoth. Maybe WW1 closer, infantry units armed almost entirely with rifles supported by lumbering armor. Suppressive fire provided by tripod mounted blasters - the LMG per SE doesn't exist, except as a specialized commando weapon.
>>82985628>Chiss Lolita ExpressUntil the last nucanon Thrawn novel I wasn't sure if the Chiss navigator corps was Zahn's magical realm or supposed to show how fucked up Chiss society was. At least now it's firmly the latter.
>>82985603>At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if we have canon Vong boogaloo.We actually do but they're now called the Gryssk
>>82985652Is it still the good timeline if people hate the Book of Boba Fett?
>>82985748I see they come with light-saber resistant armor as standard bullshit too, just like the Vong !
>>82985652>mando in the good timeline>rogue one in the bad one
>>82985788>responding to the most obvious of bait posts
>>82985747A miracle to be sure. I would hate to see the fallout if the former became true.
>>82985762This was done ages ago. I think back when that first timeline one showed up.>>82985788pfft, rouge one is overrated. There, I said it.
>>82985762It's boring but so far inoffensive.
>>82985765I think that's just from the fanart and they don't seem to have the Force immunity of the Vong, rather they're more like the Reapers in that they have their own indoctrination ability.
>>82985865I'm surprised they mercd the tuskens so soon.
>>82985852ignoring the redneck rambling, the only problem with the picture is switching mando and rogue one by mistake
>>82985878>ReapersWe've dismissed those claims.
>>82985891Mando and TCW wouldn't even exist in that image's good timeline because that timeline requires Ahsoka to be dead. She's not fucking dead in either of those series.
>>82985912mango is an obvious mistake and she could have died in a speeder accident after the clone wars, you don't need a special series to kill her
>>82985957Pretty much this: she dies leaving the Jedi temple when her crappy speeder bike breaks down and she falls to her death in the Coruscant death pit. Every is spared butch and poop haired kid arc.
>>82986007*EveryoneSiege of Mandalore goes exactly as seen, Maul gets killed by clones and we never see or hear from him again.
>>82985957>She died on the way to her home planetI will laugh my ass off if this is the actual explanation they will use for what happened to Cara Dune in season three
>>82986041man, i want just one prominent character to die in a completely random traffic accident unrelated to anything
>>82985652holy shit that seethe, I don't know how people this angry continue breathing
>>82986073It'll end up being the character you least want to have an anticlimactic death.
>>82986041>Jettison some weight or we'll never make it back to Cybertron!>>82986073>>82986093I'm still holding out for a shitty comic death in 4 to 5 years.
>>82986093hopefully it's true because that'd mean i would give a shit about a star wars character
>>82985912Good timeline is the one where Star Wars doesn't exist.
>check in on Legion>Vader is considered amazing, Dewbacks are considered amazing, almost every unit in Empire is considered competitivewhat the hell did I miss
>>82986265The Empire always strikes back.
>>82986265The great point readjustment of November 2021
>>82981891D6 is best.>>82985788Rogue One undermines fair amount of episode 4 and Krennic wasn't enough to save it. Also the Vader's castle scene was far better than the hallway scene because it was actually in keeping with his character.
>>82985712A freighter pilot, free trader or tramper depending on the circumstances.
>>82981891They all kinda do different things, I'd recommend FFG because it can be fun and chaotic in a good way. You kinda never know where you're going to go with it.D6 is more traditional, like in the vein of older RPGs and Saga is just d20 Stat Wars.
>>82986320>fair amount of episode 4~one line of opening credits?
>>82986320>Also the Vader's castle scene was far better than the hallway scene because it was actually in keeping with his character.When the fuck did killing rebels become out of character for Vader?
Why does it make TCWfags so angry?
>>82986265>Dewbacks got a 20pts cut (25 if you include their weapons)>OP Vader got more speed, Wounds and an additional training slot>Commander Vader got Compel and a Leadership slot. Also Burst of Speed can cancel his speed problem>most Vader Command Cards have been buffed (free dodges on half his cards and permanent Reliable 2 on Darkness Descends for free surges every round)The meta also shifted significantly>Magna and GAR wooks released>clones nerfed>rebel wookiees are popularSo fat melee attack pools work really well right now.
>>82985712High priority courier, search and rescue operations, licensed salvager, licensed scout & surveyor with or without a university or corporate backing and private charter flights.
>>82986265Caveman Luke and his Wookie kin rolling up in their school buses.
>>82986320>>82986506Rebels is the one that undermines the opening crawl of ANH by making it so that Alliance's first victory wasn't Scarif bit rather the Liberation of Lothal.I don't think Rogue One undermines A New Hope but some obnoxious fanservice pandering cheapens it a bit like how Jyn encountered Dr. Evazan and Ponda Boba. It's really a movie that would have benefited from being a 6-8 episode miniseries instead.
>>82986663Luke being a saber-wielding gorilla will forever be my favorite piece of /swg/ lore.
>>82986711yeah evazan and c-3po cameos were stupid but that' two short scenes, other than that I think it's the best star wars we got since rots. (I might be biased due to my sexual attraction to the y-wing)
>>82986766rots was badr1 was also badstar wars hasn't had a good film since 1980
>>82985652The only good timeline is the one where the original trilogy was left alone and they never made more movies or the EU.
>>82986786>>82986895I can't tell if these opinions are better or worse than that malding edit of a /tv/ meme>>82986766>(I might be biased due to my sexual attraction to the y-wing)you misspelled based>a design so good even the sequels can't ruin itxfags and tiecels can't compete
>>82987159I'm not even a Y-fag, but I must admit it's a good ship design. And one that was sucessfully adapted in differents era
>>82982212He had a point though. And he was specifically referring to a New Hope which was the only one out at the time. And they ended up adding Lando Calrissian in the next movie, and more people of color as subsequent movies came out.>>82983056I think he meant he rode some big animals back on Kamino.>>82984389Actually I prefer the art-style of Resistance to Clone Wars and Rebels. Bar maybe the later seasons of Clone Wars where they really prettied it up. Guess maybe cause I grew up on flash animations, but I love how bright and vibrant it is. >>82984550It was clearly done because they knew they failed utterly and completely with the Knights of Ren, so they want to salvage the interesting plot point of 'half of Luke's students went to the dark-side'. >>82985644>oh no people watched Resistance and didn't hate it, whatever shall we star wars fans do?Way to make yourself a strawman.>>82986041Bonus points: Her home planet is Alderaan.
>>82986320What do you think it undermines? I don't think it really changes anything beyond 'Tarkin usurped control of the Death Star, the reactor shaft was intentional sabotage, and the Death Star blew up a few cities prior to Episode IV'
>>82987320ANH sets up the Rebel Alliance as a force to be reckoned with, organized and well-equipped, a threat to the Empire but for the Death Star, which itself is not a guaranteed victory.Rogue One turns the Rebel Alliance into a hardscrabble garbage dump fighting in rags and wielding sticks, barely able to muster a force to attack two Star Destroyers, and when they do attack, they are crushed utterly, with the most stretched definition of "victory" possible wrangled out of Scarif.That's not Star Wars. Star Wars is not Saving Private Ryan. Rogue One is far too grimdark to be an effective Star Wars film, no matter how much care and effort they put into making the aesthetics fit, and make no mistake they did that. But the writing, acting, and direction is just generic postmodern deconstructionist drivel.
>>82987320>the reactor shaft was intentional sabotageI'd argue that it's not even a thing if you only watch the movie and ignore the book. From the movie we know that Galen made it so that an explosion in the reactor would destroy the entire station, but he didn't suggest a method of causing that explosion. If he designed the reactor shaft bad on purpose, it wouldn't be necessary to send rebels after the detailed plans of the entire station
>>82979881>I feel like the E11 is a lot like any other standard military rifle.>It's probably better then what any civilian could ever getSo which is it?
>>82979759Vastly superior by virtue of not being mall ninja/operator guns. Civvies would do that impractical garbage because they're retarded gun coomers, and perps always do it because nigger brain.
>>82987159>>a design so good even the sequels can't ruin itThe ST version needs aftermarket ordnance launchers because the standard model is guns-only. Into the garbage it goes.
>>82987550You sound like the sort of rube who goes up to a dealer and asks for an original cloakshape
>>82987635It costs 185k credits new and has less hardware than the 135k BTL-S3 since the NuRepublic banned ordnance launchers. You're paying extra for a California-compliant star"fighter."
>>82987397>ANH sets up the Rebel Alliance as a force to be reckoned withWhat do you base that on? The opening scrawl describes stealing the plans as "their first victory" and they only have like two squadrons of ships at the death star battle.
>>82986506>the reactor being intentionally sabotaged rather than a simple design flaw>the transmission Leia recieved being a physical file that was basically thrown into the ship>a senator's personal ship being kept in the hangar bay of a Rebel starship in a pitched battle situation where everyone could see it and thus blowing any potential cover she would've had>>82986537Vader in the OT mainly let the grunts do the grunt work and only really stepped in when it's Sith business, Vader didn't need to have "badass" scenes of him swinging his lightsaber around against helpless normies in order to be a threatening villain. And don't tell me that Vader's approach to situations somehow completely changed in the hours between Rogue One and A New Hope because that's just silly.>>82986711I don't mind Rebels as much since that wasn't the Alliance's victory as the Lothal cell was working solo with that, I know it's splitting hairs but I'll take technicalities over outright contradictions and explainations of things that didn't need explaining.>>82987397>and when they do attack, they are crushed utterlyThey were winning handily until Vader showed up because god forbid that the Star Wars film which introduces a bunch of new characters would have any of them survive for future stories, or that the story itself has a happy ending.>>82987664>NuRepublic banned ordnance launchersOrdinance launchers are poopy anyway, if you want real firepower you need external mounts.
>>82987680General Tagge literally says, and I quote: "The Rebel Alliance is too well-equipped. They're more dangerous than you realize."
>>82987723In a conversation in which the Imperials can't agree on how dangerous the Rebels are. I don't think that one line supersedes what we're able to see the Rebels send against the Death Star or the line in the opening crawl.
>>82987705Vader stepped in to play goalkeeper at Yavin and led the way into Echo Base's interior. He's still willing to get his hands dirty.
>>82986711>Rebels is the one that undermines the opening crawl of ANH by making it so that Alliance's first victory wasn't Scarif bit rather the Liberation of Lothal.The Rebel Alliance was literally uninvolved in Lothal. They sent a a token force of starfighters which was promptly destroyed and its pilots killed almost to the man, and the rescue of the surviving pilots compassing the death of their jedi. Mon Mothma then proceeded to abandon all efforts at regaining the system, finding it neither worth the time or expense. By no stretch of the imagination is that a victory for the Alliance to Restore the Republic. Lothal liberated itself, not the Rebellion.
>>82981635Vringing back Manaroo makes "Rothgar Deng" all the more insulting.>>82981648Minovsky flight system.
>>82987740Later in the movie when we see the Rebels, they look like an actual army, and they continue to look like an actual army throughout the franchise. In Rogue One they look as ragamuffin as WWII partisans.
>>82987784Yeah and that army deploy two squadron against the death star.The rebels have alway been presented as a secretive force, who can't match the Empire in term of brute force. It's the same during the Battle of Hoth and it's the same during the battle of Endor.
>>82987784I will grant you that one. Might just come down differences in costuming over the years.
>>82987784Do they? Andor's infiltration team does, yeah, but that's because they're dissidents and partisans recruited for espionage and sabotage operations in civilian areas or in deep cover.The actual rebel military force that shows up at the end is pretty well organized, there's a clear command structure with everyone under the command of a single admiral (indicating a rank system, even if its possibly just grafted on from the original Mon Cala navy), with wings of fighters grouped by function and class, and the limited ground forces they land on Scariff have a generally uniform appearance and equipment. The ships are kind of all over the place in terms of tonnage and origin, but aside from that, the Rogue One rebels resemble a pretty well put together military, on par with what you see in Return of the JediIf anything, it makes sense that the same rebels we see in ANH match the level of organization seen on Scariff, but reduced only to a few fighter wings, since the larger fleet elements were either destroyed or would need to scatter along other trajectories to keep Yavin hidden
>>82987867Was the rebel fleet on Endor supposed to be winning in a pound for pound slug fest with the Imperial Fleet, or were they boned either way, even if there wasn't a fully operational Death Star?
>>82987874yeah but the problem with once the "real" military portion of the rebellion arrives, they get completely wiped by Vader for le epic reddit moment
>>82987904Boned. The Imperial fleet at Endor vastly outnumbered and outweighed the Rebel fleet but Palps told them, "Hang back, guys, I got this."
>>82987904Ackbar litteraly spell out that the Imperial Fleet was tearing their fleet appart (because it's a pound for pound frontal fight, something the Rebell Fleet can't match the Empire at).>>82987909Yeah anon, they attacked a fortified Empire installation, destroyed the force there, then reinforcement arrived and they had to retreat. Just like they had to flee at Hoth when the Empire brought a superior force they couldn't match head-on.
>>82987904It's worth noting that the Rebellion is supposed to be canonically much larger in RotJ than it was in ANH because blowing up Alderaan had the opposite of the intended effect, convincing more systems to turn instead of scaring them into line. Dismantling the senate probably didn't help either.
>>82987968The Death Star blowing up basicly ruined Aldeeran destruction for the Empire. >Ahah we don't need the senate anymore, get in line bitches, governor directly appointed by the Emperor will rule sectors now !>B-but that's overt tyranny !>Well if you don't agree you can eat blaster fire, we can blow up planet now ! Look we destroyed peacefull Aldeeran as a exemple>By the Force, what a horrifying and abominable act, we won't stand for it !>Well you should because if you don't your the next where gonna blow up !>*Yavin happen* >And where is your machine ? >Uuuuuuuuuuuuh
>>82984261>>82987771Meh. I headcanon that Rothgar is just an impersonator and Dengar never bothered to deny the rumors since he is too busy telling his kids about how it was better back in the days because he used to wrassle with Wookiees even if they have already heard that story a thousand times and doubt he once killed 35 wookiees with his bare hands as he claims.And even if they end up confirming that Rothgar is Dengar, I'll just headcanon that he is still with Manaroo anyway and doing fun tricks with his shitty prosthetics to entertain his grandkids.
>>82988006Also didn't the empire lose a fuck ton of itsmilitary leadership and elite manpower withthe Death Star blowing up?
>>82981884He looks more like young Dengar from the clone wars than the Dengar we see in the Empire.
>>82988101An unacceptable amount of it, but given the Empire's galaxy-spanning size, the overall numerical loss on the galactic stage was far from crippling. Vader and the boys were able to gather a retaliation force 6 months later to attack Yavin Base right as the Rebs were packing up to relocate. The real kicker was the propaganda value, not the manpower loss.
>>82987939>>82987949On paper, yes, the rebel fleet was clearly outmatched and outgunned by the Imperial Fleet, but in the actual battle, where the Star Destroyers were neutered by that asinine order to not open fire with turbolasers, were the Rebels actually winning, or did the star destroyers begin firing at some point? Or was the sheer mass of tie fighters and the Death Star enough that the Imperials were, even without cruiser-to-cruiser fire, winning until the Death Star explosion / Executor crash caused mass panic?Was there any logic to palpatine telling the fleet to not open fire? >your overconfidence is your weakness
>>82988156>Was there any logic to palpatine telling the fleet to not open fire?He paid for a superlaser, he's gonna use that superlaser.
>>82988128I was always surprised that the Empire had the resources in Episode 5 to draw in god knows how many star destroyers to form Vader's death fleet to hunt the rebels down. You'd think that with no Death Star, no Senate, and no Alderaan, more systems would be rising up in local rebellions, and more of the fleet would need individual star destroyer pairs patrolling sectors to keep things in line.
>>82988156I believe that only lasted until the Rebel fleet moved into to engage the ISDs directly. At that point it was probably weapons free.
>>82988181He also pays for those Star Destroyer Turbolasers, and the Imperial Navy's wages, and the metal Star Destroyer hulls, and the Fuel to keep them functioning.Star Destroyer Grey paint ain't cheap!
>>82988214The empire probably like 40% of it's budget on it's military and when the accountant go pale and mumble about budget for keeping the galaxy rolling they get told off.
>>82988214Death Squadron's fleet size was inconstant up to the Battle of Hoth. Initially, the permanent roster was Executor plus 5 ISDs with new ships coming and going whenever appropriate. Yeah, taking 5 whole ISDs off their regular duties when there are only about 25,000 for the entire galaxy is a pretty sizable chunk, but then again, Vader was gunning for the Rebellion's A-lister cells during the time between IV and V.
>>82980830>Still has Padmé's perky ass and titsThat's true. That's probably what helps it more than anything.
>>82988088Is this why Jason Aaron isn't writing more of his creator-owned books?
>>82979359I still miss /swtorg/
I hope he's okay. Dengar's too cool to be thrown into a visual dictionary as a washed up cyborg. >Captcha JJ0Y2
>>82988786I wish Sith Warrior was a standalone game. Vette deserved more.
>>82988786I miss /stog/.
>>82988846I wish Sith Inquisitor was a standalone game. Ashera deserved more.
>>82988786I liked refusing the Mandalore's offer
>>82988859The only thing that anything in the Inquisitor story "deserved" is a nuclear holocaust
>>82987419No the shaft itself- which is a direct straight line from the exterior of the Death Star to it's engine. Which has often been speculated by fans as being sabotage, but isn't necessarily implied in the original.>>82987705If you went into Rogue One not thinking all the characters would die horribly you're an idiot anon formerly known as WEGfag.>>82988006Yeah, I like to think the twin acts of disbanding the senate and blowing up Alderaan had the effect of galvanizing the Rebellion more than anything else. Mon Mothma was limiting the Rebels to mostly sabotage while still (naively) believing a diplomatic solution could be found in the Senate to remove Palpatine and dismantle the Empire if they could make the correct case. Disbanding the Senate pushes any moderates like her to a military solution over a political one, and if Alderaan, a pacifist planet that is most known for it's humanitarian aid can be blown up on mere suspicion of harboring rebels- or merely with association, then the message isn't 'get in line' as it is 'we'll blow you up at the slightest provocation, no matter how above suspicion you are'- doesn't matter if Alderaan actually was related ot the Rebels or not.
>>82988870>he isn't a SorCHADrer
>>82988831Considering his cameo would have been a very 'blink and you miss it affair' in the worst sequel film (probably fair to say worst star wars film period) it's an easy thing they'd retcon.
>>82988870I liked the Imperial Agent and Sith Inquisitory storylines; we never really had a SW game where you actually got to be a more comical but still vicious expy of Exar Kun, Sidious, Plagueis, and get to ham it up like McDiarmid did in the Prequel Trilogy. SW was fine but pretty generic. Dark side Kyle in Jedi Knight was pretty much an experience we already had barring the setting and era difference. I also thought the SI had a real good cast of companions, Jaessa just gets so fucking over-the-top evil as a Sith that it becomes offputting dealing with her. Comparatively I liked Zesh and Khem Val more.
>>82988857Where's Klingon Intelligence? Can you prove war crimes on Risa? Are the Iconians behind everything with their ever expanding army of proxies? It's up to Admiral-General- Dahar Master (You) to find out.
>>82988862Same, honestly the guy we killed was the smartest one and I would have let him be Mando if I had the choice >But muuuh faction loyaltyI'm litteraly a mercenary, I don't care about the Empire and their Sith retardation. But the Mando you fight for is retarded, even for a mando, and that's saying something>So the Mandalorian wars where a trick uh (worst plot twist btw)>We got killed by the thousands for basicly nothing but allowing the Sith to weaken the Republic>Then they put a litteral beta wuss as Mandalore to control us better>Well I guess I should take control of the Mandalorian, and continue working for the Empire ! But that's time I will make it a equal dea! Surely they will respect us after that.The other guy wasn't exactly a genius, but at least his "Well the Sith constantly fucked us over and history show that fighting Jedi never ended well for us. I say fuck the Sith, I'm gonna ally the republic, take revenge then declare independance" was somewhere in the field of sanity.
>>82988979Yeah, I always brushed them off. I'm playing as a high end mercenary at the end of the day. If you want to keep the contract going pay up, there's no need for "muh honor".
Mako worst companion, also is anyone still playing SWTOR? Did they ever fix the Inquisitor and Consular after the massive nerfing that came with update 5.0 a couple years ago?
>>82988846We need more stories with slave twi'leks generally. Togrutans are also acceptable.
>>82989070>Mako worst companionHi. Would you like to talk about bugs and how wonderful they are, endlessly?
>>82988930We also fought a time war with a butt hurt scientist who got sad because his wife and child got deleted from the timeline, we fought some ancient evil alien bugs for all of five minutes with the crew of Deep space nine until CBS ordered the devs to pour STD's down our throats.Then after that we got to a Klingon civil war which was won by Klingon yas queen slay and now Lord high admiral (you) has to work with Mirror Leeta to defeat the evil plans of the mirror universe folks, including the worst enemy of all life. Mirror Captain (you) of the I.S.S. Humanitarian care.
>>82988908>not going honourable ls sith warrior
Finally a decent waifu in Star Wars
>>82989242I have the strangest feeling she’s gonna be Fett’s daughter or something
>>82988614Aaron's been off the Star Wars books for a while now, thankfully.
>>82989262>>82989242Inb4 she's Amiga.
>>82989242Disgusting. The girls looked better back in 1977, 1980, and 1983. She doesn't even have Interceptor panels, S-foils, Y-wing nacelles, or Event Horizon engines.
>>82989264Youre rightI meant the best
>>82989547Your average Alderaan apologist.Reminder, Tarkin did nothing wrong.
>>82989547A literal, not figurative, bugman.
>>82987705>the reactor being intentionally sabotaged rather than a simple design flawwhich changes nothing, even makes it better making the imperials less retarded>the transmission Leia recieved being a physical file that was basically thrown into the shipwhich was earlier transmitted to the other ship, I don't see how this could possibly undermine anything...>a senator's personal ship being kept in the hangar bay of a Rebel starship in a pitched battle situation where everyone could see it and thus blowing any potential cover she would've hadif you thought Leia's """cover""" in ANH was legit at any point in your life you are a moron
>>82987282>He had a point though. And he was specifically referring to a New Hope which was the only one out at the time. And they ended up adding Lando Calrissian in the next movie, and more people of color as subsequent movies came out.He has a fair point about all the white ppl, but I don't think he's serious about the aliens to the extent of what they could handle in the film. There's only so much they could do back then, and we're lucky the Cantina had as many aliens as it does.I think he's more serious about how an entirely different galaxy would spawn way more diversity of life than just more humans everywhere, because of course he'd be serious about that. He's just showcasing it in an entertaining, albeit fanciful fashion, as was his wont.
>>82984834>He's a good guy and has a big heartYeah, shame about his enlarged heart ending in his death.>>82989262I figure she'll end up being Camie and Fixer's kid and she'll gain loyalty points with Fett when she learns he saved her parents from rapey bikers.
>>82988871>No the shaft itself- which is a direct straight line from the exterior of the Death Star to it's engine. Which has often been speculated by fans as being sabotage, but isn't necessarily implied in the original.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ524nOJelEas I said, it's not in the movie. Straight line might have been necessary for the function of the shaft or not a big concern if the reactor itself wasn't sabotaged. In the movie Galen said that he had hidden a flaw within the reactor - an explosion inside the reactor chamber will start a chain reaction which will destroy the station. Doesn't mention any shafts and sends rebels on a suicide mission to get the complete plans of the entire Death Star when they only needed to know about one place on the surface.
>>82987762>The Rebel Alliance was literally uninvolved in Lothal.Broadly speaking you're accurate about them being uninvolved in the victory. However they DID try. It's just their strike squadron to take out Thrawn's factory was a dismal failure. The only thing they really did was take out that one Imperial ace who was running an academy, but he was just another unfortunate who wouldn't listen to superior blueberry tactics from Thrawn.After that the Rebellion didn't want to commit any more resources since only Hera and like one other guy escaped capture. They even lost their wookiee pilot. After that everything they did to free Lothal the did on their own, including the loss of the factory's fuel depot (nice job, Pryce!). Shame they didn't even try to keep the factory, the Rebellion could have used a bunch of super fighters even if they were Imperial.
>>82989745I like to think that Rogue One is one of those ridiculous WW2 set films like U-571 or Enigma which has very little bearing on what actually happened but it's more entertaining than the reality.Which, if you go by the Radio Drama was literally just Princess Leia, flirting with the local commandant whilst her slicers used a stolen wifi password to download the stuff of the Starport's servers on Ralltiir.Which... wouldn't really make for a good movie.
>>82989918I know they very technically "tried", but they really half-assed it, and that was wholly intentional on their part. It's genuinely the one part of Rebels that truly bothers me, the complete abandonment of utilizing the Rebel fleet for an actual battle, not out of any Disney budgetary constraints, but because the Story Group wouldn't let them because Rogue One already had the first """""victory"""""" for the Rebellion, which was an utter waste and total disappointment as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't have cared one Goddamn jot for keeping absolute consistency on the ANH opening crawl when Gareth Edwards took the literal genie way out for that shitty movie.
>>82988101losing Tarkin made it a net gain for the Empire
>>82989262Considering how many clones exist in Star Wars, there's a non-zero chance she's his biological daughter.
>>82989989Didn't the Rebel fleet proper have a battle proper in Rebels? I distinctly remember them using that stolen Imperial Carrier in a few battles. Something I liked about Rebels is showing how the Rebels stole a lot of Imperial gear- cause that's something realistic, rebel groups tend not to have the budget to build their own guns, and it's cheaper and easier to just steal and use the gear from your enemies.
>>82990102Yes they did, in the season 3 finale, where they lost catastrophically to Thrawn, but got a good hit in against that perfidious *nglo Konstantine
I want him back so bad bros...
>>82990333Freddie Prinz Jr. as a force ghost in the Ahsoka show?
>>82990370I'd rather have Kanan brought back alive, ideally involving Ahsoka sacrificing herself to bring him back with some World Between Worlds force shit, that way you satisfy the faggots who keep demanding Filoni's waifu be killed off while actually giving her a satisfying ending that doesn't involve Araxxusyexyr guro fetishism.or it being like Patrick Swayze in Ghost where he possesses Ahsoka's body so he and Hera can lezz out
>>82990527Ghost lesbians. I can dig it.
>>82990714except its not really gay because it's Kanan's soul in Ahsoka's body
>>82990006You're dead Krennic, fuck off
>>82990333He is back: in wolf form!>>82990370No one is ever really gone, right? I love the idea that Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin have been yanking their old friends out of the cosmic force and turning them into ghosts, though I suspect Filoni is more likely to bring back Plo Kool than Kanan.
I don't like Disney Star Wars.
How many Legends novels are there that have sith or empire characters as the MC(s)?
>>82989242>implying Fennec isn't a superior waifu compared to the vespa scooter punk
>>82991062All of the The Old Republic novels feature at least 1 or main character whose a Jedi or Sith, save I think Annihilation which also has Theran Shan, whose Satele Shan's son.>LegendsJust call it Lucas canon.
>>82991180Also Lost Tribe of the Sith and the Knight Errant comics and novels which is set between after the TOR era Sith Empire and before Bane's time in the super fucked up 2000+ years where the Old Republic went semi-feudalistic.
>>82991192New Sith Wars is the most underdevelopped and underestimated era. Litteraly the only thing it need to function is a tard wrangler that beat the shit out of any writter that go "well uuuh achtually the most important thing that defined the entire era and who made the entire era the genius plan of my OC donut steel is..." because the very idea of the period is "Big clusterfuck with all kind of little things all happening at the same time".It start with the Sith almost destroyed and reduced to scattered little groups everywhere, with Darth Ruin going on his autistic rampage, reforming the Sith and then getting backstabbed during his crusade because he was a actual maniac that believed he was the only real thing in the universe and everything else was a creation of his mind. And it end with the Battle of Ruusan.And no events in it should try to overshadow those. Outside of that you can do litteraly anything.Ironicly, the TOR Sith empire kinda dosn't fit, because all those big dick event that happen in TOR are between the Old and New Sith wars, a period supposed to be relatively calm. But TOR canon is kinda trash anyway, especially after the whole Valkorian deal.
>>82991385What's the big timeline of era's for star wars, and where do you think they should make changes or add things?
>>82991385Not sure I follow you and I am a huge SW/EUfag and obsessed with the lore. Vitiate/Valkorion's era with SWTOR happens 300 years after Knights of the Old Republic 2 which is set 4-5 years after the events of Knights of the Old Republic, which is a continuation of the Neo-Mandalorian War with the Republic and Jedi that picked up a few years after Exar Kun's Krath War.Vitiate's "reconstituted" Sith Empire was a continuation and successor state of the original Sith Empire and lasted from 4999 BBY to roughly 3000 to 2000 BBY, so about 2000 years give or take a few centuries. The only timeline with Darth Rivan and Darth Ruin is well after that but your right in the fact that period between the end of the Revitalized Sith Empire to Darth Ruin is extremely under explored and barely touched on.
>>82991419- Pre-Republic era (pre-28,000 BBY)- Old Republic era (28,000 BBY - 1000 BBY)- Rise of the Empire era (1000-BBY to 19 BBY)- Rebellion era (post 19 BBY to 5-6 ABY)- New Republic era (6 ABY - 25 ABY)- New Jedi Order era (25 ABY - 37/38 ABY)- Legacy era (40 ABY - ongoing (ish) )Ruin and Rivan come in that weird period before Bane shows up and the Rise of the Empire era starts and after the fall of Vitiate's Sith Empire, which like someone else said, was never really deeply explored outside of a few one-shot stories, SW Insider' excerpt stories and random online web-shorts. Its the least explored, least explained, least known of the time periods of Star Wars.
>>82991457As you said, TOR happen 300 years after Kotor 2Then at some point, the Jedi and the Republic win, the Sith get BTFO and explode into a ton of little group who go in hiding because everything went down and for a while not much happen. Then Darth Ruin shenaningan happen and he kickstart a period of constant conflict, that will last a thousand years, until the battle of Ruusan (Rusaan ?). This period is called the New Sith War or the Jedi-Sith war (even if it's less one big war and more of a period of general chaos and conflict), that's when Knight Errant happen and this is the period I find under-used.What I'm talking about is that part of Darth Ruin backstory is that he supposed to have re-united the Sith after a LONG ass period without them being a major force, as in many centuries long. And the Jedi-Sith war to have be the darkest period of the republic, constrasting with the thousand year of peace that followed. And really you can't really call it "the darkest period" when the Republic was conquered like three times in TOR. Also it was general shitting on Valkorion, because I can accept the first super secret sith empire that assembled a fleet that can crush the republic, but the second super ultra secret evil empire that assembled a fleet that can crush the galaxy was really pushing it . Same for killing him like what 5 times ? It was Dark Empire Palpatine but worse.
>>82991385I just want Valkorian to come back and introduce *another* secret Empire, completely unrelated to Zakuul, that was his true masterwork. Making Valky the narrative Dio/Team Rocket of the Old Republic Era is fucking hilarious to meOn a more serious note there's a several hundred year gap of fucking nothing between SWTOR and the Darth Ruin bullshit, so narratively either an Imperial or Republic victory could work to sync up with the New Sith Wars shit. The gap between SWTOR and the NSW is a massive blankspot in the timeline
>>82991687All I can remember from my knowledge is that Ruin's empire was called the New Sith Empire, after it fragments, the organized Sith become either lone wolves or into war bands, splinter groups, and different factions who take over entire star systems; which is when the Republic was being ruled by even Jedi who ran as Supreme Chancellors and the united galaxy was pretty much half of it being divided into thousands upon thousands of mini-Sith rump states, small empires, and what not and the galaxy at large was so fucked up that even a huge number of worlds ended up being isolated for so long they fell into being semi-feudal worlds and backwards without contact with other planets. I think the Knight Errant books touch on this.
>>82991794A Empire victory is possible if only because it would allow for TOR to push the memberberries even farther and go full OT. After all why not, they already got Star Destroyer and TIE.
>>82991835>>82991794The still prevailing theory is that if and when SWTOR ends, lore wise, it'll just have the Sith Empire post-Valkorion/Vitiate uniting with the Republic to become the Republic 2.0 after the Galactic Alliance is dissolved. Or something.
>>82991795I don't know if we can really call what Ruin had a "Empire" considering it only lasted long enough to blindside the Republic and the Jedi and leave them bloody before exploding on itself because Sith gotta Sith and Ruin was a terrible master even by Sith standard (screeching on his students and follower that they didn't exist probably didn't help).And then yeah, it's all kind of smaller groupe waging war both against the Republic and each other, sometime briefly uniting under the banner of a powerfull leader before exploding again when he bite the dust. It was basicly the Warlord era on crack and it lasted a thousand year.
>>82990333>>82990527>>82990753This is /swco/ tier faggotry. Die.>>82990714He can't be a ghost. He never trained to be one.
>>82991873How the fuck would that happen, the Empire is under Sith control ; this isn't a "muuuh morality is a point of view" thing. Those guy are litteraly powered by evil.
>>82991888Neither did Anakin.
>>82991884Ruin's empire lasted approximately 900 years unless something was recently retconned/altered regarding EU/Legends timeline. I think your confusing its dissolution at 1100 BBY to Bane's time/era only a century later.
>>82991907Not all Sith are as evil or morally fucked in the head as Vitiate/Valkorion, the Dread Masters, Exar Kun, etc...It could also just be the Sith leaders and the Dark Council are gone and with control transferring to the Moffs and Imperial officers who aren't Sith/Force-Users, the merger could potentially happen.
>>82991926Anakin was the Chosen One. Kanan is a faggot.
>>82991926Anakin is the chosen one.
>>82991945Don't let the numbers on the wook fool you anon, one of the few detail we have on Ruin is that his organization collapsed into many smaller Sith group very quickly, as his rule as Sith Head honcho ended shortly after it's start. His "New Sith Empire" existed only on papper.
>>82991967>Not all Sith are evilYeah they are anon, that's pretty much go hand in hand with the job. You can't be drunk on Dark Side kool aid and be good, at best your a ruthless bloodfisted tyran.
>>82992014All I know is that the New Sith Empire was founded by Ruin; an ex Jedi Master who turned a bunch of his students and other Jedi to the Sith, then united with the other Sith groups that were still rolling after the death of the Revitalized Sith Empire. His reign was followed by the unknown Dark Lord, who died about 200 years after him, then Rivan who controlled the Sith for the next 200-250 years after that. The New Sith Empire was still around for nearly 1000 years.
>>82991967>Not all Sith are as evil or morally fucked in the head asThe proper Sith term for those guys is "cowards."
>>82991967It's like you've missed the whole point of the dark side and how it works, padawan.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Republic_Dark_Age>there will never be a Star Wars tabletop, game, comic, or novel series focused on this periodIts sad.
>>82992091Perhaps the real Sith are the non-Force Users?
>>82992059We get exemple of what the galaxy look like at this period in Knight Errant, and the Sith are nothing near united, the part of the galaxy we get to see is basicly a Sith grandma who divided her territory between her children and grand children, who are all busy eating each other to try and expand their little kingdom inside grandma bigger kingdom while she watch and organize competition between them to find a heir. But that's just one corner of the galaxy.
>>82992095Just set up your own RPG campaign set during that era. Just rename anachronistic items/NPCs to era-appropriate substitutes and you're good. Nobody will complain that you used a stormtrooper stat block to fill in for generic Republic/Sith riflemen.
>>82991907Not all Sith are powered by evil, and most of the retarded ones got themselves killed off in the war or died to due infighting. Acina, and Krovos are pretty moderate leaders, for example. >>82991873>>82991835I've always assumed in Empire victory (or at least a setting where the Empire doesn't dissolve) is canon, especially considering how fucking reprehensible many of the SWTOR Era's Republic leaders have been. Pic related, Var Suthra, Garza, Saresh, and Jace come to mind. Not to mention countless corrupt Republic side characters
>>82992155>We get an example of what the galaxy look like at this period in Knight Errant.This is the period of the Republic Dark Ages, following the collapse of the New Sith Empire, where like I mentioned several times earlier...the fucking Sith control more than half the galaxy and are splintered between lone Dark Lords ruling their own star systems to groups like the Brotherhood of Darkness controlling a third of the galaxy and doing whatever the fuck they want.>Sith GrandmaAre you talking about Odion and Damian? Where the later is so batshit insane he thinks he's literally God and the entire galaxy is just a figment of his imagination? Look instead at the Eternal Empire of Valkorion or the Sith Empire after Vitiate was gone; ignoring the power struggles of the Dark Councilors and their underlings, the Moffs ran their empire with the governors and other officials well, it was autocratic and extremely efficient and citizens were divided by jobs and castes.
>>82992198All of them, dark side is literally a negativity egregore.
>>82992155iirc Damian believed he was God (capital G) and Odion was hated by his own mother, as well as Damian while fighting to take the rest of their inheritance>>82992221>he doesn't follow the Unified Forceget out of here Yoda you fucking boomer
>>82992198>Not all Sith are powered by evilThis is a whole new level of delusion.
>>82992198>Not all Sith are powered by evilAnon...that's litteraly how the Dark Side work, and the entire Sith philosophy is based around being a gigantic asshole for power. >especially considering how fucking reprehensible many of the SWTOR Era's Republic leaders have been. Pic related, Var Suthra, Garza, Saresh, and Jace come to mind. Not to mention countless corrupt Republic side charactersThat's just Bioware usual greyfaggotry anon.
>>82992229Don't use buzzwords, you can still redeem yourself.Return to the light side.
>>82992233shitting on the binary "dark vs light" simplicity was there with KoTOR 2, and the entire Del Rey run of SW with NJO and beyondLuke himself realizes that simple philosophy is retarded and disregards it too, like when he killed Lomi Po since he realized if he did the Jedi thing of just capturing and forgiving her she would keep escaping to cause more death and destruction and it would be a mercy for her to die as well
>>82992229Damian and Odion where just two among many, they just hated each other guts because Damian was a fucking lunatic and Odian was a autist who wanted to kill everyone (litteraly everyone) because they where making too much noise.
>>82992233There can actually be grey jedi going by force mechanics.
>>82992254Valkorion was a dark sider but that aspect of Vitiate still intrinsically liked law and order, and having a organized society which is why his ultimate trump project was the Eternal Empire since he considered his Sith Empire to be a failure.Caedus as well. Several Sith have shown to be honorable even if they are more aggressive, Lucas even said the dark side was so powerful because it was NATURAL to want to use whatever you can to your advantage. That doesn't excuse Sidious or the Dread Masters or Nihilus, etc...who were obsessed with either causing as much destruction as possible or Sheev's case, just wanting to be an immortal God who rules forever but not all Sith are the apex of evil like you think.
>>82992263It's a metaphysical emotion powered force, it literally reacts to emotions.The problem with the jedi in pre-empire republic times is that they grew too brittle.
>>82992266Damian thought he was a God.Odion was despised by the rest of his family also due to his disfigurements and his mother also preferring Damian over him, which fucked him up even as a small child. The only sane one in the family was unironically their grandmother and even a lunatic like Damian was scared of her.
>>82992263And Kotor 2 was pretentious deconstructivist bullshit. Greyfaggotry will forever remain delusional, no matter how hard you try to pretend otherwise Kreia.
>>82992263>>82992280Cringe EU fanfic.
>>82992263Their philosophy isn't simple at all, SW doesn't actually go in depth about such things.When was the last time you actually studied a holocron?
>>82992310Greyfaggotry has existed as part of the mainstream in EU books and comics since 1999, with the whole White Current/Fallanasi being introduced and concepts like the Unifying Force and Cosmic Force vs the Natural Force philosophies.
>>82992312Nah, grey jedi mechanical variant actually plays out more like a non-force user using force, rather than that silly notion of balance.
>>82992318You trying to shit talk my Sith Master?
>>82992263>the entire Del Rey run of SW with NJO and beyondThe entire Del Rey era was and continues to be 99% garbage.
>>82992293Don't use citation out of contexte anon, he said it was natural because it was in everyone. It dosn't mean it's good. It mean every Jedi must be aware of it, and be carefull of it, because it's easy to think "after all why not, why shouldn't use my powers as I see fit ? After all I know better than all those forcelet". Valkorion liking law and order didn't make him a better personn by any stretch of the imagination. He was litteraly exactly like Palpatine, who too like law and order. It just made they tyrant.
>>82992340I'm sure your apprentice will say just the same thing before he shanks you AYY LMAO
>>82992307Yes I know I read Knigt Errant.
The only good thing to come out of Star Wars franchise.
>>82992293They don't need to be the apex of evil to be evil.You can't win this battle.
>>82992342Shut up Disney drone
>>82992376>Hard Contact>Triple ZeroSure>True Colours>Order 66>501stAwful novels by that piece of shit KT with her pozzed gay ass Jedi Clone Mandalorian larping Omega Squad faggots.
>>82992376>author is so shit she ruined a 9 arc book series because KT is so bad she wrote passages of Luke thinking in Mandalorian and crap like Jaina running to Boba to fight Jacen/Caedus>author is so retarded she said only 2-3 million Clone Troopers fought in the entire Clone Wars>author is so shit she wrote some of the worst GoW and Halo books as well after getting fired from Star WarsYeah okay pal.
>>82992398>>82992414Cope, Jedi Nazis. Reminder, Order 66 was a good thing.
>>82992382Del Rey is still Disney's publisher for Star Wars novels, jackass. The only time Star Wars novels were good was the olden days of the Bantam era.
>>82990102>>82990319Well, they had a pretty ragtag fleet. Thrawn BTFO the Phoenix cell, but Dodonna's unit was mostly intact and absorbed the remnants of Phoenix.Okay, they always had a ragtag fleet, but I mean it wasn't very united in Rogue One, hence why a large section broke away from their council to attack Scarif. Then got the crap kicked out of them.What really surprises me is that they had access to their Mon Cal cruisers before ESB. They did end up losing quite a few of them, which is why their fleets were split up until ROTJ.
Star Wars fucking sucks.
>>82992376True Colors is where KT's backslide into irrelevance, hatred of the fans, and start of her career decline at Lucas Books began. This is the same author who fucking said that a bunch of Jedi adolscents and younglings defending themselves when Order 66 went down from being killed by Clones justified the Clones killing them. She is a fucking joke. I'm glad she also got fired before running the Guide to War book was written and published.>>82992446You are retarded, plain and simple. Aside from a few gems by TZ, Stackpole, Wolverton, and Alliston, most of the Bantam era was goofy and bad.>Jedi Academy Trilogy by KJA creating his own donut steel OC Kyp Durron bullshit whose more powerful then Luke initially>Void of Crystal Star where Luke is completely OOC the entire novel and super suicidally depressive>Children of the Jedi where the main super weapon is...a old ass dreadnought that abducts people and tries to brain wash them into being StormtroopersMost of the worst SW novels was under Bantam when you also had the anthologies like Tales of the Empire, Tales of the New Republic, Tales from Jabba's Palace and a lot of the writers of these short-stories had little experience as professional sci-fi/fantasy authors.
You know what? Expendables cast would make for a good movie, complete with an action game or 90s action movie plot but SW style.We'll never get that.
>>82992489>This is the same author who fucking said that a bunch of Jedi adolscents and younglings defending themselves when Order 66 went down from being killed by Clones justified the Clones killing them.And she was right. A true Jedi would just fucking die and accept it. What a bunch of pussies. And they dare to attack innocent slaves they used as cannon fodder. Fucking outrageous.
>>82992310You don't think that's a bit extreme?Kotor 2 did more to critique the Grey Jedi concept.
>>82992505Kotor 2 is just a story about a bitter old woman cleaning up Revan's trailblaze into obscurity so that she would fit into canon.
>>82992489Religion was clearly living rent free in her head for some reason and she projected HARD on the Jedi.
>>82992489>Aside from a few gems by TZ, Stackpole, Wolverton, and Alliston, most of the Bantam era was goofy and badAnd that's still a vastly better track record than the nonstop cavalcade of slop that was the Del Rey era.
>>82992504How many Jedi other than "not for me" dude got well with clones?
>>82992446Nah, Del Rey only seems bad because alot of these new authors that Disney has pushed for 'diversity' aren't professional or seasoned ones. Its the same reason why a lot of Marvel Star Wars comics have both awful art and awful stories because people who have zero experience headlining major projects lead to disasters see Chuck Wendig's Aftermath Trilogy being chock full of tons of grammatatical errors, spelling mistakes, typoes, and weird adjectives and very simplistic, almost amateurish lexicon used.As for Bantam era SW novels:>Children of the Jedi>Crystal Star>Most of the anthology books>Planet of TwilightThere were tons of stinkers and the vast majority weren't the Rogue Squadron, Wraith Squadron, Courtship of Princess Leia, or Zahn's Thrawn stuff quality at all. Bantam era was quite shit for the most part. Some people like the Jedi Academy books but as I got older, I can see when re-reading that trilogy and Dark Saber why tons of people hated KJA.Sure you also had the two Han Solo trilogies, the Lando trilogy, Rogue/Wraith Squadron series, Heir to the Empire trilogy, Hand of Thrawn duology, the Corellia Trilogy (with Han's evil cousin Thrackan), but by and large Bantam's run was bad.
>running part two of a simple adventure>Edge of Empire, Tattooine, just after the end of a New Hope>the Guys have successfully negotiated the defection of an imperial scientist to the rebellian who they have super tenous links>Simple roof top escape. Throw in the flavour of Mos shuuta. Use their cotnacts to throw off the imperial entaglements following them>No. Not today. >they start a riot. The riot gets out of hand. the Hutts forces against the imperials>the jawas against the imperials, the stampeding Dewbacks>The sand troopers panic and shoot at the locals, but this is Tatooine, Mos Shuuta, the locals shoot back. >The guys blow shit up. They use code phrases that they have heard. Things escualte hugely>The impeirals that were after the PCs for their crimes against the imperium, and theft war tech that they gave to the Hutt in exchange for paying off part of their debt realise they are there. >tie fighters bombing Mos Shuuta, the town in flames, a victory class hovering a above in, gun fights in the streets>PCs escape due to soem good pre planning and flying but their little ship they had just repaired is back to being a scrapper again.>accidently set up a power vacuum where they have the contacts to take over a town>accidently started the Book of Boba FettHope you enjoyed it Craig
>>82992505It maybe is, but after hearing Kreia fag go on and on and on about she was right and the Force is evil and all of this is subjective and there is no good and evil for years, you would have no patience for anything Kotor 2 might have to say about the setting too.
>>82992526Religion? No. Just that there are a bunch of entitled, genetically superior moralists, who live on everyone's taxes and do nothing, or worse - they do what they did during the clone wars, and then they tried to overthrow the government and execute elected head of the state.
>>82992504>its okay killing children cause we were ordered tooKys KT.>>82992535No it isn't. Del Rey gave us Traitor, Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor, Shadow Hunter, and tons of other great books.
>>82992550>moralistsIt is duty of force users to protect metaphysical aspects of life.
>>82992545Not him but I agree that Kreia/Trayafags are annoying and as excellent of a writer that Avellone is, people just assuming some schizophrenic even if highly intelligent super charismatic and mysterious ex Jedi Master/Sith Lord is right is retarded.
>>82992551They aren't children, they are Jedi, a bunch of deadly space wizard combatants, who are traitors to the state. Even Padme was ok with it.
>>82992563>muh living forcefuck off
>>82992563And what makes them entitled to do so?lmaoa bunch of useless spoon benders, who turned into complicit, complaisant slave masters, and then tried to overthrow the governmentJedi shits got what they fucking deserved LOL
>>82992590Capacity and necessity.
>>82992541>only seems bad because alot of these new authors that Disney has pushedThe Swarm War, the entire Vong era, RepCom, and everything that followed the Vong era were complete trash. At least the bad parts of the Bantam era were mostly harmless side content that didn't permanently fuck beloved characters or their efforts. The same can't be said of the era that killed Chewie, ruined Jacen, and assassinated Pellaeon, among other things. >>82992551Still nowhere near as good as the Thrawn books or X-Wing novels.
>>82992611Nah.Fuck 'em, Jedi shits.Kill the Jedi, kill the Force.
>>82992629I wonder who could be behind that post...
>>82992637Let her rant, we still don't know how to close her Holocrons so Master Yoda told us to put her in front of that unknown ancient master statue and ignore her. Most of the time she mumble to it and dosn't bother anyone.
>>82992665>cranky old jedi trash talk roomsI must meditate on this.
>>82992541Disney is largely using Marvel comics as focus testing for future characters in the films. The difference is that it's easy to write off new characters that are unpopular or bad storylines in marvel due to the nature of Marvel comics meaning it's super easy to declare something non-canon, or retcon it, or say it's an alternate universe. If Star Wars was smart, they'd create like a category for star wars lore that's non-canon but they could then use for a movie or show if it proves popular. Similar I guess to what they did with Star Wars Visions. Like people really liked stuff like Lop and Ocho and the Elder, but it also means the silly stuff in the Twins and the droid jedi story are non-canon and won't get recanonized and won't cause controversy. Like- imagine instead of that droid episode taking place in a non-canon 20 minute episode, it was a major plot point in one of the films, and consider how vastly different the reception would be.
>>82992682>>cranky old jedi trash talk roomsYeah, her holocrons aren't anywhere near as useful at training rookies as Master Ermey's. Luke and Kyle mounted his holocrons in the padawan barracks. Personal fitness scores have skyrocketed.
>>82987745>Vader stepped in to play goalkeeper at YavinBeing a pilot is a whole different ballgame to being an infantryman, or a marine in Rogue One's case.>led the way into Echo BaseI got the Impression that the troopers made their way in and Vader followed, he was clearly still on the Executor when Veers was leading the initial assault.>>82992733>The difference is that it's easy to write off new characters that are unpopular or bad storylines in marvel due to the nature of Marvel comics meaning it's super easy to declare something non-canon, or retcon it, or say it's an alternate universe.Anon, just because Marvel is publishing the comics doesn't mean that they follow the same rules as the capeshittery, and most people don't really care about whatever stupid shit is going on in the comics nowadays.
>>82992762Can holocrons be used as companions?
>>82992613All of those novel series were better than 99% of what Bantam gave us.
>>82992980None of the Star Wars novels are good.
>>82993007"None" includes EU trash.
>>82993025Stay mad Disney cuck.
>>82992980Keep telling yourself that, Denning. I suppose Swarm War at least makes for acceptable toilet paper in emergencies.
>>82993052I'd rather read the Dark Nest/Swarm War trilogy a thousand times over till my eyes bleed out then go through garbage like Children of the Jedi, Planet of Twilight, and the Crystal Star ever again.
>>82993042Perhaps you are having a trouble with reading comprehension. "None" includes ANY written Star Wars merchandise, that includes EU trash AND Disney trash. I vehemently detest both. Neither have anything to do with Star Wars, neither have any literary value whatsoever, both are a waste of time.
>>82992733That's not how it works as far as Disney and Marvel Comics are concerned and operating. With the reboot in 2014, Disney through the Star Wars Story Group via Chee said that unless otherwise specifically noted or contradicting the movies and shows, the comics, novels, and other secondary material is the same canon as the primary stuff. This is why their canon/continuity post-Lucas Star Wars is so fucked up, they couldn't even handle when Rey and Poe meet officially between TFA and TLJ within 5-6 months of the movie debuting in theaters and having a "stricter" compass to make sure continuity errors don't fuck things up. Then again I'm not surprised because Disney Star Wars also says the Empire collapsed within a year after Return of the Jedi/Battle of Endor.
>>82993078>literary valueThen what are you doing on a board on fucking 4chan devoted to tabletops and lore/fluff talk for things like Star Wars, Warhammer, D&D, and anything else, you incredibly conceited turbo-autist?
>>82993103> Then again I'm not surprised because Disney Star Wars also says the Empire collapsed within a year after Return of the Jedi/Battle of Endor.Yeah that's too long, Empire should have evaporated within hours of Endor, just as Lucas (PBUH) intended
>>82993196Last thing I remember that's valid about Lucas and post-ROTJ empire is that he said if he did a sequel film with a returning Palpatine he'd modeled the entire concept off the Dark Empire story by Veitech and Cam Kennedy.
>>82993196if Lucas is the prophet what does that make Kathleen Kennedy?
>>82993078Fuck off back to /tv/ if you don't want to talk about EU shit.
>>82993393>namefaggot with the worst opinions>tells anyone to fuck off
>>82993408>when you get called out by a namefag and are in the wrong unironicallylmao
>>82993408Okay tourist, I ain't gonna miss ya when the series ends.
>>82993472He'll probably stick around for a few days and slink off when there's some other shit to be contrarian about.
>>82993393/tv/ talks about EU shit all the time retard, they suck it off a lot more fervently than /tg/ does and has an equally large hardon for hating disney, far surpassing any asshurt baby on this board, even vatnik
>>82992762Throw in the Jorus holocron for the 'Fuck the stupid normies, Jedi Übermensch' pep talk every morning>>82992864Yeah they're fairly complicated and some of them have the capacity to respond to different questions, the real experiment would be to get them all going at the same time and just bask in the pokemon, shit talk battle that erupts
>>82993103>they couldn't even handle when Rey and Poe meet officially between TFA and TLJ within 5-6 months of the movie debuting in theaters and having a "stricter" compass to make sure continuity errors don't fuck things up. I think that led to them changing the way how they handled the novel adaptations of the movies, now they release months after the movie came out instead of simultaneously and they stopped the authors from using stuff from the old scripts which is what Alan Dean Foster did for the TFA novelization.
>>82992762>Jedi Master ErmeyWhat I wouldn't give for this to have happened.
>>82986082>mouse shill copeNearly all of it of it is shit and shouldn't exist, let alone in a separate timeline.
>>82993758bro you edited an already edited meme image to cry about the meme, you're a laughingstock, sub-coldsteel level, truly the left cannot meme
>>82993808Kek is this a Floyd/Chauvin meme?
>>82993884Don't be ridiculous, that would be racist, and we at 4chan.org deny any affiliation with racist activities or ideologies. Everything the FBI may or may not be recording is a joke, to be performed in minecraft.
>>82985652Nice edit, bro.
>>82993911Whew. You had me worried for a minute there that I might be in danger of laughing at something provocative.
>>82989144>We also fought a time war with a butt hurt scientist who got sad because his wife and child got deleted from the timelineHey now, that kind of autistic rage is admirable to gain revenge for a family long lost.
>>82992445>Mandoposters being drooling pawns of the Sith in an attempt to bait.Good gooooooood. Let the retardation flow through you.