Elf supremacy edition>Resources (Rules, lore, and Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay)WFB:https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWFRP:https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels:https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>Warhammer Wikishttps://warhammerfb.wikia.com/wiki/Warhammer_Wikihttps://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page>Alternative Models (WiP)https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Warhammer Video Gameshttps://pastebin.com/bqTNOPkRPrevious thread: >>82939579
>>82970102>seething looserAh, I see you fell into "OP is a fag" trap
WAP players, what's your opinion on crossbows vs handguns?In 8th everyone was into crossbows, as the superior range gave you an extra 3 inches of shooting without long range penalties. However, with long range penalties replaced, do you think handguns are now on equal or better terms with their rival?
How the fuck do you stop yourself from jumping from project to project without finishing any?
>>82970523I don't. Rotating large projects, along with a basic healthy lifestyle, is how I avoid burnout.
>>82970523Personal restraint and discipline.Pick an army and set a goal the number of points you want it to equal. Pick an achievable goal you think you can do. Once you've reached that goal, then you can continue to build and add to it and/or move on to another project.It's very easy to hope around armies and chase after the faction that is currently turning your head, but as long as you like the army your building don't deviate until it's reached a point of completion.
Reposting the list; How's this for a 1000 points of DoW in 6th ed? Im thinking of joining a 1000 points tournament and if I join I'd have to paint up the Fighting Cocks>Mercenary Captain; Heavy armour, Sword or Power, shield. 76 points>Paymaster; Heavy armour, Enchanted Shield, Talisman of Preservation, hand weapon. 86 points>Hireling Wizard; level 2, Dispel Scroll. 120 points>20 Pikemen; Heavy armour and full command. 250 points>5 Volands Venators. 195 points>8 Duelists; hand weapon, pistols, bucklers. 80 points>10 Crossbowmen. 80 points>10 Lumpin Croop's Fighting Cocks. 118 points>Total: 1005 pointsI'm thinking of maybe putting the paymaster on a barded horse and taking the Enchated Shield away so that I don't have both characters (captain and paymaster) inside the same unit.Other stuff I have painted are>20 Long Drongs Slayer Pirates>20 paymasters bodyguards with full command>Halfling hot pot>Truthsayer>Fen beastI could also paint up a cannon quickly, I think
I love elves.
>>82970523This >>82970668Make clear goals with clear deadlines. "I want my army done by summer" is not a clear goal. "I will paint 10 models on sunday from" is a clear goal. Don't overdo it. Don't think you can paint an army in 48 hours if you haven't painted a model for six months. Make your ambitions reasonable and finish them before starting on something new.
>>82970523I don't. 5 500 point armies is way cooler than one finished one.
How does this High Elf list sound, not quite sure on the edition we'll go with so didn't include points, just need to buy a few more metal spearmen to have the whole thing complete (everything pewter) and start stripping stuff, I might do a test model first: >Lord Hero on Steed >Mage- Lvl 2>20 Spearmen- Full command>5 Silver Helms- Full Command>5 Ellyrian Reavers- Musician/Champion>2 Repeater Bolt Throwers 100
>>82970835How about you tell us what edition is that for?
>>82970206Both have their place I think. Crossbows give you a first turn threat even if you start. Handguns on the other hand punch through armor and can get a special gun, which is a boon against medium/heavy troops. If you start with your handgunners out of range, it can be useful to march them up to a position that you are planning to hold with your melee state troops - the supporting fire will pay off most of the time.>>82970523Set yourself small achievable goals - painting batches can be useful for this. And if you naturally incline towards shifting interests, have a couple different painting batches going on that you can rotate through - but you need to have the discipline to not add any more until you finish something.
>>829708716th most likely, but could be 8th. We have both books floating around in our group. But for 8th I'd probably build an all plastic force with the IoB boxes I still have lying around...
>>82970523That depends on the following:>do you have a realistic deadlineSuch as oncoming match, commison, etcRemember that it's a hobby, ie. thing that's supposed to give you fun and pleasure and not another aspect of your worklife. If you feel that you'd rather do something else for variety sake - just go for it. Hobby enthusiasm is an important resource and if you burn yourself out then neither your main project nor the secondary/tertiary one will get finished.That said you should have some discipline if your aim is to have an army completed, regardless of point size.
>>82970573>basic healthy lifestyleI mean I could do that. I could however instead get myself another tub of icre cream and some rum.>>82970668>>82970759Some pretty good advice there. Will definitely do so for my up and coming orc army. As is though I'm pretty damn overrun by half-finished Chaos projects. Something tells me I should finish those first before starting on the greenskin tide.
>>82970981I play 6th but if you really want to have fun with your elfes I'd advise you to go 8th. 6th edition High Elves are not really fun to play.
>>82971049I got a WoC army of +5000 points, and once I'm done with all of the current projects that I have started for it I'm pretty much satisfied with calling it completed with the odd additon of daemon princes and spawns.That being said the half-done projects I currently have for it are the following:One regiment of +20 Chosen of Nurgle with additional hand weapons (out of which 10 are half-painted).One regiment of +20 Warriors of Nurgle with halberds.8 Minotaurs of Nurgle.40 Marauders of Nurgle (out of which 12 are already completed).4 Nurgle themed Dragon Ogres with GWs.1 GUO/Wingless Daemon Prince.10 Knights of Nurgle.Some forsaken and Warriors with shields.In other words, I pretty much have an entire second army to finish up...
>>82971180Since I've already put a list to it maybe I should set myself some specific target dates for when I should have finished what.
>>82971180So you're that 6th edition anon? What made you willing to invest your time in Nurgle?
>>82970981>6th most likelyWhat edition your group plays?
>>82970742>Im thinking of joining a 1000 points tournamentAnon if you're going for tournament playstyle you need to radically change your list. It has a little bit of everything and none is good really. IMHO the only strong unit here are VV rest is all over the place. I'm not sure if you're the one who has posted that bat rep vs HE some time ago but as far as I remember that battle illustrated your list waknesses pretty well.
>>82971072Why not? My group has the most nostalgic attachment to it and it has the most cavalry/skirmisher friendly playstyle so I guess it's a bit easier to start since you don't need multiple giant regiments. >>82971439My group in this scenario is just my brother and one other friend. We haven't really made a formal decision. We have army books for everything but 6th is the edition we played during high school era. I'm currently creating some movement trays for my Skaven so I can play some test games before I commit to the high elf backlog. For reference, they play Wood Elves and Vampire Counts. Our group mostly plays AoS and Underworlds but desu with Covid and the fact everyone is over 30 there's been very little activity.
>>82971378No, I've never played anything but 8th ed.As to why I like Nurgle I think that it's a mixture of liking the general theme of the god, in particular the whole succumbing to despair thing he got going for him, the myriad potential for gross conversions he offers and the tanky playstyle.
>>82971615Thing with HE is that their book was kinda bad. If you don't go magic/silver helms heavy you have no advantages at all.
>>82971514>I'm not sure if you're the one who has posted that bat rep vs HE some time ago but as far as I remember that battle illustrated your list waknesses pretty wellYup, that was me. So basically I'd need more heavy cav and shooting (1 more crossbow unit/cannon) instead?
>>82971804whatever happens: rare slot goes to cannon, no ifs nad buts.It depends what's your preferable playstyle and what units can you take. Lumpin's dudes could work because they are BS4 skirmish, regardless of the list. Overall I'd focus on cavalry (both light and heavy) and duelits. Hard to tell really. What stuff do you have BTW
>>82971735Not him but why was it bad?
What do we know about the living subjects of the kings of Numas?
>>82971901What I have painted is;>Two mercenary captains on foot>Paymaster on foot>Hireling wizard>Truthsayer>20 pikemen with full command>16 Marksmen of Miragliano with full command>5 Volands Venators>5 Ungol horse archers (uses as light cav)>8 Vesperos Vendetta>20 Long Drongs Slayer Pirates>20 Paymasters bodyguards with full command>Halfling hot pot>Fen beastAs for not painted;>Mercenary general on horse (not assembled)>Lucezzia Belladona (horse not assembled)>5 Golgfags ogres>10 duellists (5 estalian swordsmen and 5 war dogs)>12 crossbowmen>12 Lumpin Croops Fighting Cocks>10 Mengils Manflayers>Bronzinos Galloper Gun>Mercenary cannonAs for play style; I'm in it for the fun of it, but I feel more confortable with two units of melee infantry so that I can put my characters in different units
>>82972168>What do we know about the living subjects of the kings of Numas?This is from the TK 6th ed army book, and is basically all we have on them afaik. Which means you have an excellent opportunity to make your own fluff as suits your needs.
>>82972354You forgot to paste Tut's "entry" where he's describe having full metal (gold) body.
>>82972236Duelists are definitely good units. I'd take like 2-3 with either pistols or knifes and 2xcc. They are a good mobile screen that can handle light skirmishers or light cav if opponent is not careful.As for the general tactics, you can't pull off Empire shenanigans but I'd advise oblique-ish tactics with your cannon and infantry forming one wing and center and cavalry going on the other. All depends on terrain and your deployment of course and how much you want to invest in each part of the army. Generally I'd rather go light on named units in 1000pts army, unless it's Venators or Cocks. Or Braganza who seems great as a part of the anchor.Anyway. since you're there for fun (I approve):>screens/harrasersduelists>cannon>unit of heavy cab>Cockswould serve you right in any list.
>>829719533(?) threads ago some anon made a posts about HE and DE.
>>82972581Welp, I'll start cracking on the cannon this weekend as I had originally intended. Thanks for the tips, anon!
>>82970206I use handguns with my dwarfs in whap, but mainly for aesthetic reasons. I think both are valid choices now. No clue if it is the same for empire.
Making a special thane character for a campaign with a slightly modified statline(8th edition). M3 WS5 BS3 S4 T4 W2 I3 A4 Ld9Making them slightly weaker than a regular thane, but with an extra attack to make up for it. Would you make this any cheaper than the 65 points for a thane, or does the extra attack offset the loss of toughness and WS? This is before any runes or upgrades.
>>82970102What are some good recasters for out of print Warhammer fantasy miniatures? Especially the orcs, tomb kings, and Bretonnians? Just name the acronym and I think I can figure it out from there.
>>82971953because>>82971735You have the best magic and shittiest units out there.
>>82973061Literally fucking why
>>82969052I'm 30 though
>>82973061That orc paintjob makes me angry.
>>82973090Wdym? I'm making a special character, one who would be quite a bit younger and less experienced than a regular thane, but I still want them to be relevant on the TT, so I'm keeping the S4.
>>82973132Yeah those orcs are all borrowed from a guy who painted them with their dad when they were just kids, some of them have a lot of "soul" but most are just rush jobs so they could play.
>tfw this guy would be a perfect spear chukka for my goblin-gnoblar-ogre multipurpose army but the idiots at geewee made the kit in a way where the mins are fused to their r*und basesI'm still going to do it, but fuck me do these idiots not make it easy
>>82972581Oh, since we are on the topic; how good are Golfags ogres in 6th? I have the feeling that they lose something due to not having the Bull Charge rule that the ogre kingdoms have in the same edition and whose units you can field as special choices in DoW (except Maneaters, those count as two special choices), but in the other hand they have heavy armour, two hand weapons, cause Fear and have a hero level ogre in the unit
>>82973201Just snip them off anon. Its not that hard.
>>82973201That's a cool idea. Post results
>>82973701NTAYRT, but the kit is really awful about it. The feet are part of the base.
>>82973787With current shipping times I'll gladly do it (in 3 months)
>>82973201Think i'm going to try something similar, but with a self sculpted troll.Might do a couple. I wanna make a troll army. I might use Ogre rules though, so I don't have to haven non ogre/troll models in the army. Might use the troll spear chuckers as counts as leadbelchers.
>>82973808It's annoying but not that hard. I do it with reaper shit a lot.
>>82973808Try turning the base square then
>>82973946Could be done with the ogre but the gnoblars are on 25mms.
>>82973464I'd say they are worth it.They are slightly cheaper than Bulls with 2xCC, LA, standard and musician with Bruiser (2xcc, HA) attached. What you're gaining in addition to that is heavy armour and two extra attacks (one on Golgfag, one on Skalf) and point of Ld on Golgfag. What you're losing is bull charge and lokk out gnoblar. Every additional Golgfag ogre is more expensive by 2pts but gets heavy armour.IMHO they are fairly costed and totally worth it.
>>82974025BTW do not forget that you can take Maneaters as special in DoW army. I think two of them could do the job in 1000pts army since they kick ass and are stubborn.
>>82973201>it's so hard!!!!lmao
>>82973201Mate just cut off whatever part you want from the base and then glue that to a seperate square base. Cover any gaps with basing material and bam, you've just transplanted said model onto a square base.
>>82974092>>82974025Thanks for the advice, anon! I'll get on with the cannon and then see what I'll paint up next of all my back log
>>82973975You just need to cute and file the sides appropriately. These ungors were on 25mm rounds, but now they're on 20mm squares with barely any loss of the scenic base top.
>>82974977huh nice job anon. Saved for reference.
not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but does anyone have any recommendations on warhammer books? I'm particularly interested in the end times, or more lore on the biggest races, such as dwarfs, skaven, brettonia, elves, etc.
>>82975571Armybooks from 4th-7th editions.
Opinions on true scale?
>>82975805What do you mean by "truescale" here?
>>82975805>Opinions on true scale?Do you mean "art scale" ie. models having proortions closer to artistic canon? Then yes, those are mostly very fine. But if you mean "size of those models in relation to WHFB units" then no, they are waaay larger and would look somehow comical in a regiment if you care about such things. Cool models all the same.
>>82975805Vampire Counts stayed safe. Poor helves on the other hand
>>82975805Found it on reddit
>>82972354Pretty cool - Thanks for posting
>>82975805The proportions are better. The scale is fucked though. I think it's probably fine for these guys though. Your lords and heros being a head taller helps them stand out.
>>82976021she's a big girl
>>82975805Good if you play chaos warriors.
>>82975839Everyone knows vampires are 9 feet tall. You'd know this if you read end times
>>82970102Okay I tried in a different thread but got no response. Do these work for kitbashing or is the scaling different?
>>82976091>being a head tallerAre you literally blind? They are almost ogre sized and tower like 3 2,5 heads above the skeleton
>>82976240They're all 32mm scale, so far too big for WHFB. They also come as a single piece, pre-glued to their rather large round bases. So no, they offer not opportunity for kitbashing.If you're feeling creative, you can probably remove them from their bases, but I don't think they'll fit ranked up on 20x20mm square bases.
>>82976266Oh. What about Oathmark? I know the pic says 28mm but are the models heroic scale or realistic?
>>82976266Why are you talking bullshit? Those vampires are like 40mm tall, skeletons are 30-32 ( I own them and have measured them) if they were standing absolutely straight. Stop misleading people with your fucking idiocy especailly about "warhammer scale".
>>82976032>>82972181>>82972168>Tomb Kings models are gone, never to return, probably even when TOW releases even though we know GW has the sculptsIt hurts immeasurably
>>82976344Anon, I think you're replying to the wrong post. I was answering about the Song of Ice and Fire game.>>82976303I don't own anything from Oathmark, so all I can go off of is Google. I found this, so it seems Oathmark is slightly smaller than GW scale, but still slightly "Heroic" with oversized head/hands/weapons.Still, if you're not making mixed regiments, and trim off the integral bases, they should rank up just find and blend in to the army as a whole.
>>82972354This is neat! I might proxy some of them as skeleton warriors by using the war games Atlantic afghans
>>82976364Just buy Ossiarch Bonereapers bro!
>>82976392Anon. My genuine apology, sorry. I'm a faggot and indeed had a brain mixup while replying. Thank you for being a gentleman in the face of my retardation. Please, have a dwarf.
>>82976458I unironically did cos it was the only way to scratch my TK itch. TK models were deleted by the time I was old enough to afford them
>>82976364Nah they'll bring them back
>>82976364Between the models swapped to aos and reviving some kits like they did with the bts vs deldar throwback. Won't take much effort to flip the switch
>>82976032wait there's more!
>>82976632>>82976659>>82976675>RatfagsShame. Pretty cool concept ruined.
>>82977062Wait till Skaven get a big update, the furrys will run amok
>>82977062>Art drawn by a 40k secondary whose only knowledge of Fantasy is through Total War.You should have expected no better.
All ToW really needs to launch are core rules and some army books. Plus bulk square bases in the store.Enough factions are still buyable that you have plenty to start with.
>>82977220ToW isn't launching until they have an "up to standards" new range to sell, either kislev or cathay.
If I buy corsairs will they come with square bases?
>>82977462From GW? No.Buy them in bulk. You can get 100 for like $5
>>82977062>>82977154I'm pretty sure the artist is taking the piss.
>>82977220Rumour is it will launch with rules for every faction in three big Ravening Horde style books (Order, Neutral, Destruction) without every model range being in production. Never saw a real source on that but it sounds about right to me. I imagine they'll only have like Empire, Dwarfs, Greenskins and Vampires in prod at launch
Does anyone know where I can get minis that look similar to the Glade Guard and Dwarf Warrior/Thunderer kits?
>>82977631Northstar Dwarf Infantry/Heavy Infantry make for pretty good warriors.
>>82977062Fuckoff to vg
>>82977631Avatars of War and MOM miniatures has decent dwarf models for warriors. AoW might bring back their thunderers in the future, since many of the kits has made a comeback.
>>82977062Why do people seethe at rats so much?
>>82978010Naw you fuck off. I could get behind humans and undead leaving together. Vampires do it, why not mummies? But cutesy "good" skaven is retarded furry bait.
>>82977588Think that's the Natfka rumours
>>82978786Fuckoff to vg secondary
Is there a browser based WHFB army builder?
>>82978978You fuck off, he's right.
>>82978786Skaven are cute though
>>82978978Pretty sure TW is the only reason ToW is happening hence the intertwined updates
>>82978657Skaven are a furry lot.>6th edition army bookAlso they attract the most shitposts.
>>82976303I like them. I wish they had more head options though. I just finished 10 sans shields here they are next to a KoTR and an archer.
>>82979052kill yourself, videogame secondary
>>82979128I'm ok with it since it means WHFB will return
what should i use to kitbash a delf bolt-thrower?
>>82980652Waddaya got? You can find cheap ballistas for DnD for like $5. If you've got some match sticks and plasticard you can make some from scratch.
>>82979052You know what else are cute? Bretonnian dogs. Nobody draws any fanart of them for me to collect though.
>glue together the casket priest's arms and fill it with gs>look at online image and realize its glued in the wrong position and mine looks retardedfuck sake
>>82976675The third image reminds me of Joshua Graham
>>82975805They're not truescale, just literally a completely different scale. Vampires don't suddenly grow to ten feet tall when they get bitten.
>>82982667>Vampires don't suddenly growNuh-uh
What's the optimum number of models in a heavy cavalry unit in 6th? Is it 8 for an extra rank?
>>82979845I like the elves. They're not balloon hands like the HE and have a good choice of heads.
>>82982667>laughs in strigoi
Hello fellow WHFB enjoyers!
I'm going to buy some corsairs!
what would it take for an elf to get fat?
>>82983795>gee billsen, how come your mom lets you have three mohawks?
>>82980652you either sell your soul to stormcasts, to recasters or to gamezone
>>82983914Good choice. The modern corsairs are p. good and a great base for almost anything in the book that has a cloak/Sea Dragon Cloak.Though I also have a soft spot for this bad boy
>>82984028i dunno what gamezone is but the stormie one looks like it could actually work>>82984186picrel is cute, i wish it was easier to get some of the old delf blisters. im painting mine bright spanking red in Clar Kurond colours, not sure what a good complementary colour would be for the scaled cloaks/cold ones tho. maybe purple?
>>82984186>>82984296That guy in the 6E army book is actually a conversion. See the original here
>>82983795That sea elf is the manliest looking elf i've ever seen in my life wtf.
>>82983795Tbh the dwarf art isn't too bad, call it ungrim or whatever
>>82982498Share your shame with us, post it
>>82983795Pretty sure I've seen the guy on the left inebriated outside Marakana shouting ROSIJA SRBIJA
>>82984424the og is even MORE kino, god i wish the newer corsairs were designed more like the old onesalso what are good proxies for shades?
>>82984570Khainite Shadowstalkers from Warcry
>>82984570Corsairs.1d4chan has suggestions on how to convert them up. https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer/Tactics/8th_Edition/Dark_Elves#Buying_Your_Army
>>82984424The one draped in cloaks is kino but I think in general I much prefer the newer delf models over the old
>>82984607Seconding this, some of the newer release DoK stuff is great for dark elves. They released an underworlds warband that had a sorceress holding up a cup full of blood I use as a supreme sorceress
>>82984528I also accidently snaped the model off his legs shortly after that post.ignore the circle bases, they're just for painting handle convenience
>>82984678Looks fine honestly, arms spread wide is a classic magely stance
>>82984424It was not a conversion but a legit alternative champion (there were two).
>>82984678Call me stupid, but what's the problem with the priest? He seems perfectly fine to me
>>82983546Those just look like humans to me.
>>82985283>Those just look like smol humans to me.FTFY
Anyone tried to use Blood Bowl models for FB? Are BB models significantly larger?
>>82985414The new ones or the old ones?
>>82985436New plastic ones. Hard to find any comparison shots online but I know leves are huge
>>82982350>You know what else are cute? Bretonnian dogs.Post more bretonnian dogs
>>82985508Don't got any of those. Save this one though.
>>82983546Very nice I had no idea they even made elves. I've got Bretonnian blinders on right now.
>>82985888This is an imperial dog and you know it
Redpill me on Mousillon
>>82985928>Don't got any of those
>>82983546Dot look like elves, but the models are okay.
>>82985940Pretty much useless except as a colour scheme. Some anon posted a Blood Dragons list claiming he's going to play Mousillon but assuming he's not a nogames he's gonna get wrecked.
>>82985940It's funny how some of those could easily pass as Bretonnian peasants simply if you painted eyes on them
>>82986300>implying it isn't how Bretonnian peasants look like normallydo you even 9/10 tax bro
>>82986344You give 1/10 of your income to peasants?What a charitable lord you are
>>82986370I wonder if additional "dying in battle without explicit order" tax is a good idea.
>>82986408You mean you do not tax them for the opportunity to take part in their master's glory on the battlefield?Is this some kind of vow or penance?Very chivalrous, very, but I doubt your yokels will understand how much you sacrifice for them, anyway
>>82986514I love this art so much.
>>82986560Agreed. Kinda want to make some terrain pieces like that, they look baller.
>>82986514>You mean you do not tax them for the opportunity to take part in their master's glory on the battlefield?Oh, that reminds about "Glory Tax" which must be paid after each victory. Thank you for reminding me, you're a good and shrewd suzerain.
>>82986577Please do. Don't forget to share pics!
>>82976364Some 3d prints are really goodTxarli factory in particular is awesome
>>82985508Sorry all the doggos were eaten by disgusting, tax-doging peasants. Bretonnia is officially no-dog state from now on.
>>82987761Dogging in lieu of paying your taxes seems eerily close to prostitute.
>>82987318>40k aquilas on his cross badge
>>82988117Two headed eagles are in fantasy.
>>82988202Stop it dude. It's not "some two headed eagle" but exactly the 40k geometric aquila.
>>82971953Your melee characters all have T3 so they fall over in a stiff breeze. Your regular infantry is good on paper, but crazy overcosted and very squishy. Your elite infantry is mostly good (swordmasters and white lions have their uses, but phoenix guard are pure shite) but hard to make work in an edition where static combat resolution is king. As others have said, basically the only way to play them competitively is either magic spam or cavalry spam, and while the book has some strong points (excellent mages, two eagles for one slot, bolt throwers are great) it's pretty limited in flexibility.That said, that's all from a tournament perspective. If your playgroups power level isn't too high then you can play basically whatever in 6th - kind of like playing kitchen table MTG. I recently attended a casual event in the UK for 6th and there were a lot of HE players, many did quite well and the builds weren't all that cookie cutter.
>>82988449For me one of the biggest (except for utterly retarded and unfair Intrigue) HE derps is their army organisation. You can only take one,fucking ONE of each: Swordmasters, White Lions, Dragon Princes and Phownx guard, meaning you have one S5 and ones S6 unit no matter the point level. Against heavy armoured or tough armies it's literally a crippling limitation. And if that wasn't enough all of those units except for Swordmasters are total shit and WL and PG are also in rare slot which also has the most obvious choice of repeater bolt throwers which are essential for HE. This book was written by a fucking idiot, so idiotic that he surpassed even Thorpe in writing bad book and later's DE or Dwarfs are literally an artistry in writing bad shit.
>>82988520Agreed - it's so close to being good but the organisation of units into core / special / rare is just brutal at times. Also intrigue at court is turbo retarded and could have been done in any number of other ways.Again, I dont hate it though. The 7th edition is peak HE though it marks the beginning of that editions power creep which is a shame.
>>82988275AoS belongs in the trash
>>82983795Please stop reminding me how they've ruined my two favourite races
>>82988653>>82988275Hahaha upvoted!>Holds up spork
R8 HomebrewSlaughterpriest of khorne: 145 ptsM4 Ws6 Bs3 S4 T4 W2 I5 A3 LD8Equipment:Hand WeaponChaos ArmorSpecial Rules: Eye of the GodsMark of KhorneMagic Resistance (1)BloodcallerCatechisms of SlaughterSavage FuryThe Slaughterpriest may take:A great weapon: 10ptsHalberd: 10ptsAdditional hand weapon (on foot only) 5ptsShield: 5ptsA slaughterpriest may take magic items worth up to 50 pointsA slaughterpirest may take chaos mutations and powers worth up to 25 pointsThe slaughterpriest may choose to be mounted on:Barded chaos steed: 15ptsJuggernaut of khorne: 55ptsBloodcaller:Keep track of the wounds inflicted by the slaughterpriest in close combat (wounds inflicted by the mount of a model with this rule count towards the number), at the start of the following magic phase you may roll that number of d6 and add a power die to your pool for each result of 4+Savage Fury:The slaughterpriest and all models in his unit have the devastating charge special rule for as long as they possess frenzy from any source. If a model has lost its frenzy from losing combat but subsequently regained it from any source it is eligible for this special rule. Catechisms of slaughter:The Slaughterpriest knows three catechisms of slaughter, these are innate bound spells (power level 4), catechisms of slaughter are augment spells that target the slaughterpriest and his unit. Bloodlust:Until the start of the next magic phase, any roll time the slaughterpriest or a model in his unit rolls a 6 to hit they may make an additional attack. A result of 6 on any attacks generated this way do not generate further attacks. Ward of blood:Until the start of the next magic phase, the slaughterpriest and his unit possess a 4+ ward save against shooting attacks and spells.Infernal Horror: Until the start of the next magic phase, the slaughterpriest and his unit count as causing terror
>>82988764Also add a lord tier version that is to this what the archlector is to the warrior priest, and he can take a warshrine in the same way the lector can take the war-altar of sigmar. Replace banishment with a magic missile or something. idk.I feel like the last power may be kinda worthless, but I couldnt really think of another fairly minor effect in line with prayers. I considered some kind of bestial lurch effect where the unit moves forward a random ammount and charges if it hits an enemy, but that felt too strong. Also considered adding a secondary effect like "cant use inspiring presence" or "must reroll successful leadership tests" or whatever, but that similarly felt far too strong.
>>82988764>(wounds inflicted by the mount of a model with this rule count towards the number)I think if you are going to do this, I'd make the mounts more expensive. Maybe make it static for less book keeping. Like +1 power dice if the Bloodcaller is in best to base with an enemy model, and another +1 if it inflicted one or more wounds in combat. Also maybe make it dispel dice too, so you don't have to keep the count for two combats.
>>82988620>Also intrigue at court is turbo retarded and could have been done in any number of other ways.OR it could have been totally left out because it's a dumb and unnecessary mechanics. Good that you don't hate it though, but I've tried to make some satisfactionary lists that actually do something and cost of those units is just eye watering. Even if you take their basic bitch spearmen each one costs 11pts and to make them work you need to take at least 15 (being generous and not counting damage done to them by shooting etc). That costs you 165 pts without command (for some unknown reason elven commands are fucking expensive even at core section) and survivability/damage output of that unit is fucking shit. I got tired of trying and it's a fucking pity since I like HE and would like to play them very much. Unfortunately even on casual level playing HE without spamming the same shit (magic+cav) is a torture.
>>82988764>>82988811One thing that does concern me about the rules I wrote, and maybe warrants a change of how the bound spells work (I didnt want to use a particularly unique system since its meant to function like battle prayers) is that the guy may just end up being a dice generator for proper wizards, with him being sent in to combat against chaff to rack up kills and in turn power dice for purple sun or whatever, which is clearly wrong and not how he should function.Maybe make it so that these dice can only be used towards casting his !prayers? That should stop the possible abuse. >>82988863Yea, I meant it to be dispell dice when done in the enemy magic phase, but I guess I phrased it poorly. Making it static might be better from a simplicity and balance perspective, but I wanted to have it call back to the khorne shaman from mordheim. As for making the mounts more expensive, I guess that could work? I actually made the horse cheaper by 1 point simply because the irregular number bothered me (seriously, 16 points? What a silly number). Hows 20 for the horse and 65 for the juggernaut? Then again I feel hes already priced fairly conservatively, since hes the cost of a level 2 wizard and on a mount. But its worth considering.
Is it viable, viable, without being dickish to include 3 Spear Chukkas in an O&G 8th edition army of 2500 points?The reason I'm asking is because I'm considering making some Maneaters to represent them and wouldn't mind if they could also be used as a unit of leadbelchers.
>>82989117>3 Spear Chukkas in an O&G 8th edition army of 2500 points?Sure, 2500 points is a lot, even in 8th edition, so 3 Spear Chukkas shouldn't be a problem.Unless you plan to go war-machine heavy, but then I doubt spear chukkas will be the thing your opponent has biggest problem with
>>82989117Your idea is bad and dillutes O&G army identity but yes, it's viable and not dickish.
>>82989213>dillutes O&G army identityHow goblins chucking spears at someone from afar is "diluting identity"?
>>829891173 is too little. Bring 6 or 9 even.
>>82989280Goblins are fine but you want to repace them with ogres.
>>82988977>Maybe make it so that these dice can only be used towards casting his !prayers?I think that would be a good idea thematically.
>>82989436It's either that or big 'uns. If anything I'd argue that it helps add to the fluff/theme of the army. Besides, it's not like Ogres are an uncommon sight in a greenskin horde.Thanks for your iput though.>>82989207My original plan was to have one Rock Lobber and two Spear Chukkas but three of the latter makes more sense to me if I want to have the option of using them as Leadbelchers aswell. With their lousy bs they seem like something more fun than serious anyway.>>82989129Thanks?>>82989436My plan for the army thus far is to not have any goblins in it. To give an example, my Mangler Squig is one of those big AoS boar & rider which I will convert into being in a state of arrow-pierced frenzy.If I want some actual goblins later on I'll just make myself a goblin sub-army.
>>82989829What's the guy on the right made of?
>>82989985Leadelcher as a base I think, then some 40k bits and greenstuff to make him a skaven themed dude.
Is Reiksguard based or is it too vanilla. I'm wondering what Order to pick.
>>82990057Reiksguard are based from a gameplay perspective. Smashing a flank and then sitting there smug and invincible feels good.However, there are cooler knights. What edition are you plating?
>>82989985IIRC it's a leadbelcher as base and then mostly greenstuff/sculpting work. Here's the source of the picture, I'd look into it more precisely myself but according to the listing its a model he tinkers with back and forth throughout 20 pages or so.https://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?250907-Ogre-Maneaters&styleid=23
>WA Conquistadors out, can finally build state troops from a modern plastic kit>still months away from Conquistador Cavalry and Landschneckt Ogres, and an even longer time from a modern knight set with a similar scale
>>82990158heh, 6th. So it's aestethic question only, but thanks nevertheless, My army will be Altdorn colour schemed (was thinking about Bogenhafen but my friend does it and truth be told Altdorf allows for more combinations) so Reiksguard felt kind of natural.
Is 100 skellies enough for 2000-2500 VC needs? Edition 6-8th. Please halp
Will Tomb Kings kino ever return?
>>82990265Buy some boxes now. By the time you paint 100 state troopers ogres and cavalry will be out.
>>82990265>modern knight seteh???
>>82990265Don’t they still sell state troops under a different name?
>>82984442They have less elf soul in them maing them exponentially less homosexual
>>82990430Yeah probably. In 6th that's 925 points with full commands per 20 man and more than you'll ever really need.A good base is to assume you'll spend 800 points on characters, a count and three necromancers
>>82987761I don't like you. Dogs are the best friends to hold onto when you have nothing else.
>>82990588Isn't fielding them all kind of...inefficeint though? I was thinking about 2x30-35 or 3x25 and rest to be used for IoN summons. Does it makes sense or do I need even more skellies?I'm asking because I'm building a VC army and now my friend wants to exchange his 5 (unopened) boxes of 7th edition VC skelletons for some HH shit I own. I already own 45 skellies so...
>>82990622Blame Bretonnian peasants not some anon. Hate them anon. Hate them with all the passion.
>>82990646Exactly. Skeletons are just there for the enemy to meatgrind, outnumber with fear and fill up mandatory core. 2 blocks of 20 is enough at 2000pts
>>82990655Fuck you. Only Skaven would be that cruel to their pets.
>>82990702You don't know how degenerate Bretonnian peasants are apparently.
>>82990687Huh, good to hear. I think I'd take those 50 skellies all the same tho. Why wouldn't I? Especially since they are my favorite skelly pattern GW has ever made. It will cost me just 20 cataphractii terminators.
>>82990622>>82990702>uses animal as a crutch instead of unfucking himself and making relationships with humansare you by any chance from Spain? Know what - I don't care. You just disgust me.
What lives in Naggaroth south of the dark elf cities? Do human tribesmen live there? Is that where delfs get their slaves without depopulating the seaboard of the old world?
>>82990968Farmland and actual good weather.Pretty sure there were native humans on Naggaroth, but they have been driven off.
>>82990968>Do human tribesmen live there?No. There used to be humans populating the northern parts of Naggaroth, but they have either been enslaved or driven into the chaos wastes by the druchii.Dark elves get their slaves from idustrial scale raiding the world over.
>>82991026The idea of Dark Elves farming is hilarious to me. Although I guess they'd just make slaves do all the actual labour
>>82988764Chaos steed should be 20pts I feel, 15 is just too cheap.
>>82991284Its 16 normally, I dropped it down 1 because I hate weird numbers. But yea, I can see the argument for making the steed and juggernaut more expensive than nornal.
>>82991026>>82991035How do selves get that many slaves tho? Delf cities are huge and need a ton of slaves, and they raid constantly, wouldn’t population growth in the old world not be able to accommodate it? Like if we assume the empire has a similar population to irl HRE they’d run out of people pretty quick. It’s not like 40k where dark eldar have millions of planets to raid
>>82991452>How do selves get that many slaves tho?Raiding? >wouldn’t population growth in the old world not be able to accommodate it?Anon, they raid the whole fucking globe. The Empire, Bretonnia, Southern Realms, Araby, Ind, Cathay, Nippon, Norsca... Wherever humans live youre going to have these guys show up with chains and shackles. Just about the only place that isnt constantly marauded by them is Ulthuan.
>>82991452It's mostly handwavium. That or you have to assume they're southern cotton levels of brutal instead of sugar cane plantation levels of brutal.
>>82991452 "There are as many Elves as the plot demands"
>>82972168Only their traditional greeting of "Numa-numa-hey".
>>82973105Ideally you should be mentally 18 or older, too, but we can't really enforce that one so I guess you get away with it.
>>82991452>How do selves get that many slaves tho?Okay, I want you to imagine the human population of several continents (the old world + whatever the fuck cathay and ind are + southlands + nippon)Hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of people could go missing and the population would not die out, because the population is actually quite big.The aztecs could kill 20,000 per year, and they had their immediate neighbors on a comparatively miniscule front for targets. A culture/people that take prisoners from all over the entire world? They could fill rivers with the blood of dead slaves and not make a dent in the grand scheme of things.
Boohoo my old, crusty-ass game that nobody played died and I'm still bitter about it :(((Age of Sigmar >>>>>> Fantasy
>>82991452Delfs enslave everything, not only humans, but also beastmen, dwarfs, arabyans etc
>>82991742I can’t imagine beastmen would make good slaves
>>82991773I imagine they're the best. They're literally half domesticated animal.
>>82991773Depends what you want to use them for:Gladiatorial combat, pretty good.Dusting your delicate knick-knacks, probably not so much.
>>82991742Dwarf slaves are rare, theres a tiny number of dwarfs out there and the existing ones are generally holed up in a big ass fortress thats a pain to attack. Thats why dwarfs are the most expensive slaves after high elves, which carry an immense price due to coming form Ulthuan and being the sworn enemy of the druchii. Never heard of beastmen slaves, seems like a daft idea given the way beastmen are.They also stopped using greenskin slaves when that proved too much of a liability, nor is there an indication of them using lizardmen slaves.
>>82991903There are Dwarfs in the new world?
>>82991930Technically yes, but the population is completely negligible in the grand scheme of things.
>>82984296Gamezone, as in Gamezone miniatures - the bolt thrower on the lower right is made by them.>>82985414Haven't done it myself yet, but I have the Bögenhafen Barons waiting to be converted. They seem to be pretty popular, and the Wood Elf team makes for great War Dancers with a little effort.>>82985940Mousillon is much more than just undead Bretonnians. Mousillon is a unique cesspit of misery where the taint of undeath and chaos ails the land, while the living, the dead and the mutant walk it, the wicked and the chivalrous trying to carve a piece of it for their own.An army of Mousillon would be a strange mix of living, undead and mutated Bretonnians and chaos-afflicted individuals and creatures.
>>82992066Well you have however many as slaves in Naggaroth, then you have a handful in lustria doing explorer shit.As I said, its a completely negligible amount.
>>82990968With how little it is covered in the actual fluff, my take: wilderness, beasts, beastmen, skaven, native humans driven into hiding in harsher lands, farmland for the dark elves tended by their slaves, probably shadow warriors preparing guerrilla missions
>>82992094Ah right. When you mentioned being holed up in a fortress I thought you meant in the new world somewhere, my bad.
>>82991876I now have a hilarious mental image of a frustrated gor being forced to sew and mend dresses for a delf household.
>>82992125>probably shadow warriors preparing guerrilla missionsYoure not wrong, but the scale of numbers here is silly.Itd be like saying Ulthuan is populated by dark elves due to the presence of various cells and shade clans or whatever. >>82992168Do it right or its back to the milking shed!
>>82992159Well, really I meant that most dwarfs call a fortress of some kind their home, not that they all live in the same fortress. But yea, I was talking about the karaks of the old world.
How long do elves live anyway?
Reiksguard would be cooler if they were called Rjiksgardajust my personal opinion
>>82987538eh, i dont like em much. they're just not as good as the real TK stuff. i feel the same about mantic and lost kingdom stuff
>>82992383Depends.We dont have a hard answer, but we know they have a biological expiration date and that magic can keep them going almost indefinetly.Id imagine a coupe of centuries, maybe a millenia max.
>>82992494so for ones that have been going forever like Morathi there's magic involved?
>>82992502Morathi and Malekith have unnaturally long lives extended by dark magic, yes. The only other elf from their time who is still alive in any sense is Caledor trapped in the Vortex, and he may just be a spirit at this point.
>>82992502Yea, Morathi, Malekith, Alith, Orion, Orions wife... Magic is whats keeping them going.A big thing with Hellebron is that she resents Morathi's eternal beauty and youth, and that her own lifespan is extended via the cauldron of blood Morathi gifted the cult of khaine, but that because shes so old even the magic youth cauldron cant keep up and is slowly using effectiveness.But basically, Morathi has more dark magic juju going on than anyone except maybe Malekith or Nagash, and may potentially have anything from gods to demons to things more unmentionable in her corner. Malekith is at this point basically a self made chaos warrior powered by dhar and seething. Alith Anar has loec(?) keeping him goingOrion has Kurnos and is a demigodOrions wife has Isha and is a demigod
>>82992548Alith Anar may not even be the original guy, he could be several different guys assuming the persona over the ages. Or he's a ghost, or it's a Grombrindal situation. Or it's all of them and he's a Phoenix Lord
>>82992175I didn't mean there are entire Nagarythe shadow warrior populations living out there, heavens no. That would be silly indeed.>>82992548Orion is also "renewed" every year, a new elf offering their body and soul unto the cycle - unless of course Ariel is feeling crazy. Each incarnation of Orion lasts for a rather short time, but the collective that is Orion is incredibly old.
what's the best way to use shades in groups of 5? treat them like 40k elites?
>>82992383I've always thought in the order of 400-500 years.
Who is the Dark Mother? Slaanesh?
>>82992727Pretty sure it's hontra
>>82992727Short answer? We don't know, its a generic placeholder god added to flesh out the druchii pantheon from beyond just khaine. Could be hekarti, drakira or some other later elven goddess if you want compatibility.
>>82992727Could be. The Dark Elves' whole thing is being anti-Chaos while also being led down the garden path by Morathi
>>82991903If I recall right it's the dwarf slaves who made some of the great Naggarothi fortresses. Probably nabbed them during the War of the Beard, though you could probably get a few more from Barak Varr.
>>82988202God I wish Romania was just a fantasy
>>82990968Always wondered about this, it seems like a deliberate omission that "pygmy era" GW didn't have a faction of fake Indians
>>82988663>two favourite racesDwarf and blind reject elf?
>>82994460Just elves in general.
>>82994484Probably going to get piled on for this but I like fish elves, their aesthetic and general vibe are so different it doesn't really tread on the original 3 elf flavours and allows them to do their own thing. Incidentally this is also why I dislike all AoS dwarfs because they're all silly exaggerations (perversions?) of fantasy dwarf archetypes. This doesn't allow them to grow into their own thing and they're just stuck in this limbo of "amped up WFB" which was a terrible era for AoS.
>>82994374At that point the 40k Deathwing had their Native American theme right? And Necromunda's ratings. Maybe that was enough indulgence for them, since neither was a faction in their own right but part of a larger one/game.
>>82994601You're allowed to like things as long as you can explain good reasons for what you enjoy anon. I can't pretend I like them a lot but they're better than the cow elves and I can see some worthwhile kitbash material.
>>82994601It's a cool concept, the sea army with a blend between cute critters and horrors of the deep. Pick your preference. I like the sea critters.
>>82994601Personally I don't mind some of the Kharadrons. The airships are a logical iteration on the gyros in my view. The slayers suck due to execution (lamp axes, really?) but conceptually I don't mind the idea of hammering magical runes into your skin as it seems something a crazy shamefast amped up on Grimnir would consider. Don't care for the fish elves, but I quite like some of the newer dark elf stuff, the medusa elf thingies feel very Har Ganeth.
Is Monument to Atrocity a good name for a dark elf black ark?
>>82994649fyreslayers would look good if they were wearing bronze hoplite armour and helmets that have a hole in them allowing their mohawks to be the crests, but as just naked dwarfs they look fucking stupid and embarrassing
>>82995053Well GW was just taking Slayers, turning them up to 150%, and calling it an army. They didn't care that Slayers were meant to stand out as a single unique unit, naked and orange-haired, within the context of a larger dwarf army layered in metal armor with drab beard colors, they just latched on to the most "see we made this it's not generic" parts of their IP to cannibalize. Witch Elves stand out? Give them snake bodies. Trees that can walk can't be copyrighted? Have a ghostly looking elf body growing out of them, no one's done that yet. Goblins? Everyone has goblins, we should take our cave-dwelling ones that happen to use mushrooms and add MORE SHROOMS haha shroomy dudes.The fact that any of it has ended up good is a small miracle. They're not bad ideas but most were never meant to stand on their own and have become heavily focused pastiches.
What are the best alternative models for wood elves? Apart from glade guard, I could some more of everything.
Sorry for baseModel is nice
>>82995178Yeah, that explains my feelings on fyreslayers. One on his own looks cool, a horde or army of them. No. Least there will be plenty of options for slayer models in ToW
would red armour, purple cold ones/cloaks and snowy bases be a good look for dark elves?
>>82995178There's no reason for them to be naked, really. Normal slayers are mostly shirtless, but they still have armoured guys like Ungrim and specialists like Malakai who aren't totally naked.
>>82993926I swear I read somewhere that the first thing the Druchii did after getting driven off Ulthuan was kidnap a bunch of high elf masons to design their cities. The funny part was the second thing they did was kidnap a bunch of humans to do the manual labor for those masons.>Oh gods I've been enslaved by druchii what horrible things are they going to do me?>We need you to build cities for us>What?>Here's a bunch of human slaves to do it with>What?
>10 Black Guard are $70What the fuck
>>82995934Man it must suck to be taken as a slave as a high elf. You’re almost immortal and are guaranteed to spend your whole life in paradise and then your asshole cousins kidnap you and make you pluck their ass hair for all eternity
>>82995647Seethe all you want but solo minis look best on rounds. Units on squares, rounds for standalone look at me
>>82996464Incorrect. As long as you have a good base, whether it's round or square matters little for a solo mini. It'd be like claiming a square or round table is better for wargaming as long as it's big enough.
>>82990806Imagine a unit of estalian perroflauta
>>82995896To be fair, Ungrim is trapped between his inherited slayer oath (thus the mohawk and orange beard) and his oath as a king to protect/guide his people (thus the armour to avoid him dying too quickly). As for Malakai; he's an odd one for dwarf standards, since he continues with his experiments instead of trying to die fighting 24/7. Plus, I'd say that since he's an "outcast" he has more freedom to break the strick rules of the engineers guild, since they can't make him take the slayer oath again. But that's my opinion
>>82995934No, the druchii designed their own cities, its why the architecture is so different.They did have kidnapped dwarf masons build specific elements, but the vision of a big spiky deathtrap? Thats all the dark elves.
>>82994622>cow elvesAh, the high elves hit by a retardifier
>>82992628A ghost might be a real possibility, there are other stories where elf ghosts appear because they have something important to do. And an elf being too angry to really die fits right into warhammer.Sometimes elves and dwarfs are closer to each other than they want to admit
is it possible to run a viable horse-less delf army? i really love dino cav and chariots but im not keen on the models for dark riders, doomfire warlocks and scourgerunners
>>82994649the DoK medusas are pretty cool, makes me wish we could use them for Dark Elves. we have Bloodwrack Medusa tho
>>82996828Its possible, but your fast cav is really strong.
>>82997048true, but the models are so-so and dinos are way cooler
>>82992473And what exactly is that, bastardized Dutch?
>>82988764I think that it looks pretty good. However I'd change the Bloodcaller special rule to taking away dices from the enemy during his next magic phase rather than adding to yours. That seems way more fluffy and pertaining to the gameplay of the anti-magic god.Basically the killing caused by a Slaughterpriest of Khorne acts as a magnet which draws the attention of Khorne to the battlefield, dissipating the winds of magic in the area.Heck, it might be fun to have the Bloodcaller ability trigger when the Slaughterpriest is wounded. After all, Khorne does not care from where the blood flows and all that jazz. That would likely also open up the possibility of some fun interactions with the Soul Feeder gift.
>>82997232Just convert them. Its not like elves on horses are rare, or like they take the same space as cold one knights Scourgerunner is crap though, don't bother with that.
>>82997587Taking away magic dice might be really feelbad for the opponent, since it essentially denies the opponent even an attempt at a magic phase (potentially). It also makes the prayers worse, since they are now an outlet without a generator.Having it work on damage taken might be cool, but its also kinda too "free" if you know what I mean. Its a reward for doing nothing, or alternatively it punishes your opponent for killing you.
>>82994622>you need a reason to enjoy things wow thats fucking gay
Hey lads and/or ladettesDo you have any suggestions for models to use as a base for a Bone Giant? GW's model is iconic but rare and pricy, and I want to put a custom spin on it.Vampire Counts are my main army, but I just love skeletons so much.
>>82973832Dude I've wanted to do a troll army for years. Post results if it happens!
>>82994622>as you can explain good reasons for what you enjoyYou're either autistic or a tryhard. It's exactly the opposite.
>>82998434There are prints. How much are you into converting? How do you reate your skills with GS?
>>82996639Ungrim's "slayer vow" turns out ot be largely symbolic because being a king supersedes him being a slayer.
>>82996639>Plus, I'd say that since he's an "outcast" he has more freedom to break the strick rules of the engineers guildOh, and he's not an outcast like other slayers. He's a highly respected dwarf king + everyone know it's tradition and that the Slayer Kings are unique in that regard.
>>82998434Just buy a recast bone giant. You can even find them on ali express from time to time
>>82998434How Bone Giants fared in 6th edition? were they good?
>>82998598I would rate my skills as "I've never tried greenstuff" but I want to learn.I will check out what prints I can find!
>>82998726>Oh, and he's not an outcast like other slayers. He's a highly respected dwarf king + everyone know it's tradition and that the Slayer Kings are unique in that regard.I was refering to Malaki in that bit
>>82999536Yeah, Malakai is a different game. Sometimes I think that being kicked out of the Guild is actually a deliberate loophole made in the system.