Bright elves edition>Previous thread >>82915138This thread is about retro 40K, but discussion of other classic GW games is also welcomed>A bunch of material in this mega folder/o1RwkBqQ#EAhbwSA8PhcWiRRtzJqsqA
>>82967860Doing retro builds with models not technically retro 40k can look really good.
I support this new general
>>82968116Aren't those Wibs?
>>82968306NTA, but yeah.I really like their Codex Compliant series, don't care about them being SJWs or whatever. They really do the research and when you're thinking "ah, but what about X?" and they mention it in the next sentence.
>>82967896Note to anons: The first magnet is a big repo of 40k GW games until early 9th. All RT to 8th is there.The second is a repo of all classic White Dwarfs and other goodies like the rare Citadel JournalsPlease seed them! Those are pure gold and 40k history.
>>82967860Why does this need to be a general?
>>82968368because there's enough interest in it and it's different enough to modern 40k that trying to discuss it in the 40k general always results in arguments
>>82968368This is already the fourth thread in a week, it may be a fad, or may act as a contaiment thread for plenty of grogs that bitch about nu40k. The latter would be great fot /tg/.Also those torrents need more seeders.
>>82967860Did you get tired of samefagging your old hammer and middle hammer threads and figured you could samefag another one?
>>82968368>>82968475What's your problem, retard? If you don't like it don't come here. Plenty of random TTRPG threads each week for you to be a Karen inside.
>>82968475I'm not OP and that was probably me lel
Good to see this thread, I got told to go to Reddit last time I talked about the OG kill team.
>>82968684>OG kill teamThe Last Chancers stuff or the special mission from the Battle Missions book?
>>82968199lol that basalisk is amazing >love the smell of promethium in the morning
>>82969547This one. I am going to make my own version based on a project I saw on a blog, need to make a test team first though, probably chaos marines.
>>82969706The rough riders were great, lads on surf (hover) boards.
>>82968199That speeder conversion looks like the origin of the Land Speeder Storm
>>82969706Apparently you love the smell of samefagging even more.
Good general. I support this.
>>82968199Is that a fucking HOVER BASILISK?
>>82971541We airmobile now. Nearly got the torrents, seeding to 3+ if this machine will stay up.
why did we change from being /mid/ general?
>>82967860Big ol mostly second edition eldar army... About 80% metal
>>82972068To avoid autistic debates about what counts as "oldhammer" vs "middlehammer", plus all the fantasy players post on /wfg/ anyway
Post cool campaign ideas
>>82969766Having the 4th edition book was such a pleasure when it came to giving me ideas for small skirmish games and all that alongside other game systems.
>>82972494Like a Kill Team Game to disable a planetary missile silo that will influence a BFG game that influences a 40k game by giving the winner a free orbital strike?
>>82972700Yeah a lot of that stuff is awesome. It really captured my imagination with all of the stuff they showed off even if it was just a new, fun way to interact with the table and your models like vertical terrain and special rules for that stuff.Other systems that aren't 40k like Spectre also have some really cool rules that could work for some 40k houserules.>>82972465I wish I had some. I think my "ultimate" campaign idea would have been to replicate a game like L4D but in miniature format, maybe with things like allowing models to pick up wargear around the area like a deathmatch-style thing. Small band of dudes have to progress through an area while completing objectives and the like.
>>82972758>L4D but in miniature formatI saw once in Dakka Dakka rules for Dawn of War 2's The Last Stand mode in tabletop. You could check it out.
>>82972785I had a funny feeling that someone would have written up rules for that gametype eventually, it sounds pretty wicked. I'm undecided whether it would have small squads or a singular dude. I guess it might be difficult to cram a game like L4D into such a format but I think it sounds fun.
>>82972785>Dawn of War 2's The Last Stand mode in tabletopCARRY THE EMPEROR'S WILL AS YOUR TORCH
Has anyone played this? If it's fun I might print a bunch of paper tanks.
>>82972785>>82972758My brother made a L4D for table that we played with his friends. We each got a 150 points to make ourselves a Space Marine using the Captain profile, except we also had access to all special and heavy weapons, and had to navigate our way through a taiga forest to an industrial outpost. Once there we had to hold off several waves of nurgle zombies before rescuing a tech priest and making it to the evacuation zone. It was really fun, but jump packs are super over powered in it, as they could basically get out of any corner so maneuver didn't matter as much. My dark angel plasma cannon guy got fucking murked because I couldn't fire on the move and my damage output was low because of it. Couldn't retreat and shoot like you do in L4D.
>>82973321I think that idea sounds absolutely excellent anon, it's unfortunate that there were some winning combinations that were sleeper picks. If I were to put my idea to paper I would try to balance out more of the picks, maybe using the KT 2021 rules with some extra stuff tacked on. I would also want to try to include every army I can.
Which factions are still using 3E/4E infantry kits?
>>82972888>5th edback to the midhammer thread with you
>>82973961Eldar and Imperial Guard are mostly 3rd ed models.
>>82971713Every time it fires, it scoots 12" backwards.
>>82967896I'm a bit special how do I use these magnets
>>82974299Torrenting software like qbittorrent I think.
>>82973353It was great fun, but unfortunately was only a one off. If I was to recreate and run it anew myself I would increase the wound count on PCs, or maybe add some kind of Fate point mechanic like in LotRSBG, as it was possible to die in one round of close combat, and almost certainly in two if you got mobbed and hadn't taken artificer armour. I would also up the rate of fire on non blast/template weapons, and double or triple the ranges on guns. Using variable movement speeds would also be useful, as it was too easy to get blocked off by the zombies as they moved at the same rate as you in 4th when we played it. We were allowed to leave combat though as we were all given Hit & Run, which helped, and had an equivalent of Overwatch, and the ability to fire weapons into combat.Only two guys and the techpreist made it off the board out of the five guys playing, but it could have easily been fleshed out further had we decided to continue playing it. My brother didn't like being the DM, so we went back to our normal 3v3 6000 point snafu-fest games we always played.
>>82974927Yeah I think one problem with that system would have to be the fact that someone would be stuck playing DM. That being said there are games that go around this in a really effective way like the "AI" system in the Fallout miniatures game. I'll have to keep some of those ideas in mind. I think the newer editions might be a good baseline for the game but I also like the KT system and older statlines.Speaking of LotRSBG, I ran a deathmatch-esque game for that a few times that was just ridiculous. Everyone had one model that could pick up wargear scattered around the board; there was even a cave troll with a platform on his back that you would have to wrangle around. The best part was playing it on the LGS's Helms Deep table.
Excuse the cruddy paint job, first thing I painted when I got back into hobby 5 years ago, had these since I was a kid.
>>82975225>Excuse the cruddy paint jobfuck that thinking anon, these radiate an incredibly high amount of soul
>>82967860As someone whom got into 40k 5 years back, I kinda am fond of oldhammer stuff, as game at times was pretty fun and minis were nice. Also like it because it's a lot less "problematic" since a lot of both bad and very /pol/tardy players are seemingly afraid of oldhammer like devil is of holy water. Thus nowdays second end is my second most played edition of 40k, and while I do find it fun, it's kinda ironically also complex in all the right areas.
>>82975225They look good, I've always preferred real white to bone colour for Deathwing
>>82975283>>82976067Thanks, as for the white I have always preferred the pure white over the bone white, dark millennium box and 1st edition space hulk deathwing expansion style
I love that games in older edition werent decided on turn 1, banning turn 1 charges is a good thing.
>>82968547remember seeing this in WD
Best thread on /tg/ in a long time.
>>82975344I started 40k in 2nd ed and goddamned, it was a cheesy fucking mess.Still, I liked the basi ruleset at the time so the transition to 3rd ed didn't come with a strong preference.
You guys are also 40k players so this will work here as well. Just a poll to see what the factions 4chan likes. Email is not required. https://forms.gle/Y2nEkzgUSY9cBVgE7
>>82972174wasted with your shit picture,
>>82975225Not bad anon. Not bad at all.
>>82981865DA the most popular subfaction of SM. This confirms everything I suspected about 4chan.
>>82967860I love classic Forgeworld and I also love battle reports but I'm struggling to find 3rd-4th edition battle reports featuring Imperial Armour rules being used. Anyone got any good ones?
>>82975225all they need is the trim of the bases cleaning up, perhaps with some goblin green
>>82983271Maybe in the Citadel Journals in the second magnet link >>82967896
>>82983450not found one yet but this passage about the dreadclaw in fanatic issue 48 was very cool.
>>82983271Those IA fake history photos are awesome, man. What a loss that GW doesn't do that anymore.
>>82984189Sadly no tread-head history nuts work at gw anymore.
>>82984262FW released a couple tanks recently (the Arquitor and the Sabre) for 30k, and there are rumours about a new IG tank "between a Russ and a Baneblade" to be released this year.But I'm afraid you're right, they're not a focus anymore.
>>82982411Sorry was a phone post, here's a better one with unit brake down
>>82975225I love the dirty rusted look gives them an ancient feel.
>>82975225>>82984980As well as these here's a sneak peak at up coming 2nd edition dark angels project, just have to finish a little kharadron overlord force. All of this was a job lot eBay paint blob purchase, the captain and techmarine were older saves that I will re do to fit the theme, already painted up classic green bases. luckily found a great resource online for dark angels banners too so will hopefully be full 90's cheese, currently all paint stripped awaiting trimming, assembly and paint
>>82984189I love them>>82984806I'm very tired of horus heresy models, can't remember the last actual 40k model they've released that wasn't an update to an older cast or a tau walker.>>82984980very nice.
>>82985211Can you share that resource for Dark Angels banners? I’m kicking around the idea of a DA successor with some of the Dark Vengeance marines I have, and I’d love to incorporate over-the-top banners.
Don't have much retro stuff, but can share what I acquired and converted
>>82985402sure itshttps://thedarkfortress.co.uk/librarium/librarium_intro.phpon the right side under banners and reliquaries.once you found ones you like click on the "get the" link to open up a pdf pagefull battle companies, hq choices, deathwing ,ravenwing, campaigns, seriously someone put a lot of work into it, also several decal download sheets if you can print themhers a pdf of 5th company banners for tactical sgts as an example... I think probably going to do 5th company, but they have all companies available
>>82985534helps if I add pdf
>>82985541Nice dreads...I mean Wraithlords, anon
>>82985541Nice. I did something similar, but went way further with the tree bits.
>>82986744I didn't have more tree bits.
>>82986269Anon, being angry at names is peak newfaggotry.
>>82985541Not sure I got more, but this was inspired by epic gargant.
>>82985336WH+ has released the IA Taros 2nd edition campaign in good quality. Sadly they removed all the rules and scenarios, even if the fluff is still kino. Plenty of those b&w photos inside.Here it is: https://ufile.io/6l0t4nwk
>>82988266>they removed all the rules and scenariosWhy do they do this? When I first heard of the Warhammer Plus thing I thought "well, if that pdf vault has good scans of all the old books and White Dwarf issues then it's kinda cool". And then I discovered that they only had the nuWD and gimped versions of the 7th ed codex supplements. What's the point, then?
>>82987790i like it
>>82987790Looks kinda like the mecha of Armored Trooper VOTOMS.
>>82988619Never heard of it.
>>82988603they dont want new players seeing old rules as gw doesnt want new players knowing what they missed out on.
>>82990095They don't want newbies asking about those old units and rules and being confused when looking at new codexes. A shame, that's part of the history and evolution of the game being lost.
>>82985534>>82985542This is super handy. I'm currently working on something similar for Flesh Eaters, as there is surprisingly little available for a Blood Angels successor which has been around since Rogue Trader.
>>82984980Did you base with black tea? cause it kind of looks like black tea. Has a nice "foresty" feel to it.Also great looking army in general.
>>82990771Yeah, its a cheap n cheerful basing solution, also works if you do paint over it for the classic gw goblin green base look,
>>82991380Neat I like it. Might try that for some swamp or jungle bases.
Someone post the goofy-ass old chaos renegades.
>>82991904The original RT chaos marine renegades are goofy, but they look great with a unifying paintjob with more muted colours. They also had several design clues that make them look as the same force if matched (like the slaanesh icon)Pic related is not mIne, but I was lucky to get that same dread a couple years ago before the prices became absurd.
>>82992326I've actually just sent that dread to a Russian to make copies more cheaply available, so I expect they'll be available in 3 to 4 months. Fuck ebay scalpers.
>>82992882How did you set that arrangement up?
>>82984980These look great. Over the last year I've been building up a retro Eldar force, I'm not good enough to pull off the retro paint style, so I've been using Turbodorks as a bit of fun
>>82993640are you brushing them on by hand? you should consider trying them out of an airbrush they look much smoother like that, I've considered the idea of eldar using their paints and stencils to give them patterens in multiple colourshift paints.
>>82993673I don't quite have the space and whatnot for an airbrush, but I have used a mates for the dire avengers base coat here and yeah, they go on a lot smoother. They can be a bit hit and miss with a brush, but when they hit, it really works.
>>82993734>>82993673Lmao wrong image
>>82993734>>82993759>dire avengername works for a cat too
>>82993640I think eldar in metallics look awesome, as it sets it apart from other factions' armour, hinting at the fact that it's made from completely different and ancient material. Nice work, I think you've pointed me towards my retro eldar (plus artelW) colour scheme
>>82993734>>82993759No, no, that's an acceptable image.Post more C A T
>>82967860Nice idea just calling it retrohammer rather than something like "middle" that people will endlessly argue over. The only downside is potentially getting people who want to talk about 6th edition 40K or some shit. I hope this lasts.
>>82996318>people who want to talk about 6th edition 40KSurely there are no such people?
>>829965292nd Ed x 3rd Ed = 6th?
>>82985211I love rescue projects so much bros. Nothing like seeing some truly fucked up (broken, thicc, half painted) models get a nice strip, repair and lovely new coat of paint and looking fresh AF. Best hobby motivation for me, desu.
>>82968547One of my favorite WD army showcases. Howling Griffons quartered paint scheme will never not be kino
>>82992882Well done anon, those RT sculpts should live forever.
>>82993640Hahaha sparkly eldar i love it. Is that just mixing metalics w colored paints?
>>82992882BMM? I'll hold on on my next order until then.
>>82992882Bad ass. >>82998355If it is him, I sent him a collection of 6th/7th edition plastic and metal for empire and dwarfs and greenskins, as well as some necromunda stuff. He's going to have a hell of a lot more models.Not only that, but I plan on sending him Valhallans(apparently he's not happy with the quality of the ones he's got right now, he's got a bounty on the infantry squad), Vostroyans, and 5th/6th Ed metal High elves.When all is said and done, he's gunna have a shot tonne new stuff and I'm going to have so much credit I could probably buy a guard army off of him outright.
>>82992882Fuck, would buy it from there but sending anything from russia would cost more in customs then ebay scalpels.
Ebay is full of assholes labeling berzerker sprues as 'OOP chaos marines'.
>>82999729I've seen people bid regularly available kits higher than they were from GW direct. Ebay is great if you know what you are doing, but dummies are allowed to participate.
>>83000656ironically the best deals are minis sold by people that doesn't know about what are doing. When I got my RT Chaos dread for 20 pounds, it was labeled as "40k Nurgle dreadnough", while the goldfishblue guy wants that or more for one single leg (!)
>>83001566It would be cheaper to have that guy assassinated than to buy his stock.
>>83001566some goldfish blue is ok got a old blob chaplain fully intact just painted bad for £10 however some of his stuff like a empty box for £100 is just pure scam item no 255158700362 luckily its free postage :P
>>83001566sometimes they can be very beaten up though
>>82971541>Tfw get to be artillery gunner on ancient floating relic-basilisk quite possibly unique in the galaxyFeels good man
>>82998355Yep. Also the 2nd Ed khorne juggernaut with champion and bloodletter rider, and a stack of Chaos Dwarfs.
>>82998550Nice. He did my Delaque, some inquisitor models, blood bowl chorfs, and some other stuff. I considered sending my Valhallans but didn't want to have to repaint them. I look forward to seeing your stuff up there. I've got one crazy surprise that I'll hit them up with, but I'll have to see what postage would cost me if I were to send it.
Reading through the csm 3rd edition book I just got and seeing old GW just casually mention other companies as sources of things really makes me realise just how much things have changed.
What size table do you play on? I miss the ubiquity of 8x4Ft tqbles.
>>82992882Does said Russian have old eldar in metal?
>>83004139I used to buy White Dwarf religiously (had all from approx 75 to 300ish) but stopped when I realised that they no longer encouraged conversions, scratch builds or terrain making. I understand the utility of buying a terrain piece from time to time but that's not what the hobby is to me.>>83004434These days I play smaller games on smaller tables (3'x3') because that's what is around. I've just moved to a new town though so once I find a new player group I'll aim to get them to go more retro.
>>83004545Fairly decent with the main models; rangers, grav platforms, war walkers, striking scorpions, fire dragons, dark reapers, most (maybe all) phoenix lords, some (not all) farseers and warlocks. Does not have the original swooping hawks (ie the best ones) or howling banshees. Doesn't have a good range of exarches.
>>82976335Dark Millennium is a literal ripoff with no miniatures inside. You're paying premium for a bunch of cardboard sheets. Bad value.
>>83004674>Does not have the original swooping hawksI have all of those including the exarch, need some wraithguard though.
>>83004688I think it made sense back in the day though, as it was truly an expansion that catered to players who wanted to get more out of the game, coupled with the fact that you didn't have to keep up with a stack of other supplements like in later editions. That said, you're right in that I wouldn't encourage people to pay scalper prices for it to complete their collection, and only get it if it's a decent price (and if you're actually playing second ed).
>>83004649they're whfb pigmies. It's a lame joke and surprises no one. Not to mention wrong game and wrong era.
>>83004957It's just one of those grumpy people whom want (you)s and also are made at game they never played, best let em just get banned again and go away for three days.
>>83004649Fuck off with this.
>>83005098I dont get it?
>>83005098>Literally playing in a litterboxWell done, anon, why not try a McDonald's ball pit next?
In that big repo, the 3e core book doesn't have the army lists at the end. Anywhere I can get the full big black book?
>>83004114You the one who got the whole delaqye range up there? Nice.I barely painted my Valhallans, so I don't mind sending them in(pic related).
One time an old player dumped a chunk of old models in the bits box of the game store I lived near at the time. Some beautiful stuff, nabbed some old terminators, beakies, an eldar I can't identify.One of my big regrets was the tyranids I had to leave behind. But I could only take so much, and they were fragile plastic things - a few had broken just sitting in the bits box.
>>83006101These are the necromunda stuff I sent him. Some he's already got, but there's others that I know people will clamour for. Like Chainsaw Warrior, for example.In honesty, I think I'm buying too many models so I gotta hull down and paint my dark angels just to say I did. I have like, ten marines painted to various degrees of acceptable, so one day I'm probably gunna repaint them all so I'll save my transfer sheets.
>>83004139>hey dudes, hack up some Wargames Foundry figures, mix them with your bits box and finish it off with MilliputCan't even imagine seeing that today
>>83006242Fuck off, Bubbles, Dont fuck with my new hustle. This is for posterity of the hobby.
>>83006101>>83006187I've got a couple that I might send to fill the gaps.
>>83004434>8x4massive, I play on 6x4 for 40k but 8x4 sounds better for whfb
>>83006187Where would i find/contact this russian? Does he have a catalog to browse? I love the older sculpts from 1st n 2nd editions hence the giant eldar army and dark angels army. Just fed up of ebay scalper price. Have a captain as a thank you
>>83009008I would kill for some more affordable 2nd edition marines, especially the sprues that went with the one piece metal bodies
>>83009008He has a website, and he reached out to me on a PLEB website, IT would behoove you to find it...I cannot say more, such is the nature of recasting.And I'm afraid he doesn't have a lot of 2nd/3rd Ed space marines, those he does are character pieces. And I must admit, there's something about how those 2nd 3rd marines are sculpted that make them appealing. Is it in the proportions?
I support this general, 2nd and 3rd edition are peak 40K for me.Attached is the 2nd edition battle bible, a compilation of all the 40K rules (last updated 2021)>2nd Edition resources - Datafaxes/Wargear Cards/Cheat sheetshttp://projectanvil.blogspot.com/2017/03/get-started.html>Great website that has run multiple community 2nd ed army challenges and battle reportshttps://c0wabunga.com/>2nd Edition Wargaming, a YT channel that covers some of the trickier phaseshttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwf2oKkCCHWFPE7wLCfUTKA/videos
>>83009167>And I must admit, there's something about how those 2nd 3rd marines are sculpted that make them appealing. Is it in the proportions?I think a mix of that and simplified design. For me it's that cute little ridge on the helmets
I recently picked up this old bike squad box and want to do a retro army now. Which chapter bros?
>>83009302There's an old minor chapter called the Red Templars, literally all we know about them is "they ride bikes." Could be a good switch from the usual White Scars or Ravenwing people see.
>>83009302You already know the answer:>>82968547Otherwise go custom! Unless it comes with the banners the original box had, in that case would be cool to do one of the 'big four'>>83009177This stuff would be could for a /retro40k/ general template if this catches on.
>>83009302Chapters with schemes that would stand out from their own bikes would also be interesting, especially if the difference was in their arms.
>>83009177It's continually updated, friend anon. Latest is 1.7.2.
>>83009167>>83009008There are a few Russians with websites. The best one has a bunch of 2nd ed characters (all DA including the scout SGT but excluding the standard bearer), devastator, special weapons. Has recently updated to include the original rogue trader sm sprue.
>>83006277i wish there was a good source of retro crab claws for conversions, i want some real bad.
>>83009167>>83009636I believe I found the site, initials BMM .su? if so anyone had any dealings with them as there are a few pieces that take my fancy such as the DA old style land speeder a captain and a imperial agent
>>83010806High quality, very little clean up required, nice resin, takes a while but worth it.
>>83004688You needed it to play the psychic phases and was the equivalent of the 'Battle Magic' supplement for 4th Ed fantasy that was sold at the same time.The wargear cards alone were worth the purchase becuase tourneys didn't let you play with proxies.
>>83010806If you know, you know Congratulations, you know
>>83009067I like the helmets with a narrow vent and chests with jewels of those early mk7 marines. But not them being monopose, because I'd love to make a proper updated version of the Space Crusade marines with decent poses.
I've got metric ass tons of Guard and Orks sitting around begging for a paint job. Any tips on how to give them a Rogue Trader/2nd edition era vibe? I was thinking of shaving the pectorals off the Guard flak armor to make it look more like the old plate and giving them the classic grey and gold scheme.
>>83012411what weapon is that? if any?
>>83010806I bought a couple of pieces from them recently, some old FW pauldrons and an Emperor's Champion for a kitbash, and they're bloody great. Really crisp castings, no significant details lost, and negligible bubbles/imperfections. It's a nice quality resin too, nicer than what FW themselves use even. Will be going back to them in future
>>83012872The missile laucher that came with Space Crusade before the 2e tube ML.
>>83012872Missile launcher. It's a weird design that's basically just a compromise to fit with the minis' plug-in weapons design
>>83012754bright gaudy colours for the orks and grey as you said for guard, maybe bright red lass gun casings, don't forget the goblin green bases... i recently did a retro pain on head swapped scouts for a arbites 90's vibe
>>83013356Very nice anon!
>>82967896Those t*rrents are amazing anon, thanks!
>>83013115it looks also like the GSC/chaos missile launcher, with the "rocket pod" design.
>>83013056I ought to get myself one of those dudes
>>82967896update on the eldar?
>>83013056I love these dudes. I don't have any marines, but I'd love to paint some rogue trader era marines similar to these. What would be the most bang for my buck, while still getting decent sculpts?
>>83018045I haven't finished them yet, I was busy with my studies. But I painted a couple of killa kans with a cheap and dirty drybrush.
>>83018267If you dont mind a bit of paint stripping you can find large numbers of 2nd edition space marine tacticals cheap, looking at joblots on ebay can net you entire armies. The current blood angel to dark angel army i posted earlier cost a total of £70 but it had extras like complete death company and another metal dread and couple of tactical squads i stripoed sold separately and made the total cost back so in theory its probably cost £20 for all you see in that pic
I'm quite surprised that no one has retrocloned an old edition of 40K (or some mix of older editions, like 3-5) along with an attempt at a stable army meta. IIRC didn't someone do that for Warhammer Fantasy? I've seen crazier fan projects, and 40K has such a large fanbase that it seems that someone like that would have appeared by now.
>>83022134Renegade Scout by Nordic Weasel Games is a retroclone of Rogue Trader. Well made and captures the feel pretty well.
>>83022856>"Renegade Scout"kek its only missing a sequel called Strugglesword 20k
>>82986719Fuckin jerk this one got me
>>82993734>I don't quite have the space and whatnot for an airbrushI ordered that battery powered airbrush with the tiny compressor ninjon was just talking about. It was really cheap, I'll post here saying how good it is when it arrives.https://youtu.be/isqaylQTunQ
>>83022134There are a few threads in dakkadakka with people doing that, IIRC one it's called "prohammer" (I know, it's cringey). A 4-5th ed. ruleset cherrypicking things from 3-7th. Interesting discussions about the merits of each edition rules, too.
>>83022134Renegade scout is indeed really good retroclone, and overall one of my go to systems to play since it's basically good mix of fun and simplistic/complex rules. And ya, WHF project was a mess since it was based on absolute garbage that was 8th edition.
I recently came into possession of an old pewter splatta kannon. I was wondering if people find it generally agreeable to drill the barrel on it, as is the norm for any models I make, or if I will have to deal with somebody whining that because they didn't know what a drill was in 1991 it means that any drilled barrels are "inauthentic"? Either way, looking forward to painting it to add to my (rather modest) oldhammer ork force (mostly 2nd Ed and Gorkamorka).
>>83025385i tried to drill a metal barrel once. never again.
>>83025385Drill them, they're a detail that make minis look better. The only con is lowering resale value, maybe.Old hammer/middlehammer aesthetics are more about the painting style.
>>83025385Drill it, but make sure you don't drill it off centre like retard teenage me.
>>83025656I don't intend to sell it for at least a few decades, so that sounds good. I like to paint and play my minis, not just buy them for resale value.>>83025541My sympathies anon.>>83025776Funnily enough, the guideline on the mini is already not a perfect circle. I settled on drilling it out close to center, then widening the edge of the barrel to match the sloppy original circle. If I finish painting it while this thread is up (or a new thread is made) I will post it then.
>>83025851I might as well post a picture of some of my orks while I'm here. I am slowly working through them, maybe I'll be done with them between now and the heat death of the universe.
>>83024974Oh and I forgot to mention earlier that is has a chart for converting figure stats from various editions to its rules.Otherwise on topic, I've a good idea on how to paint my Guard for an oldhammer look. Any suggestions on getting an old school ork look on current ork sculpts?
>>83004072Good lad. UK IP addresses can't access Games Workshop stuff on BLM so more power to BMM
>>82968321Same, I also enjoyed the painting log that sadly ended.
>>83026087Older edition of renegade scout had it, the current one is a bit better but I do believe lacks it, though you could just convert it anyways. But at that point GM is required I feel.
Currently repainting my eldar army I started in 3rd ed.
>>83027003Lots to redo. The 40 scouts will be last.
>>83026548Huh just looked at the PDF's and sure enough the second edition lacks the conversion notes. Well that sucks.
>>83026087>old school ork look on current ork sculpts?Just use more red. The sculpts aren't a massive departure desu.
>>83027345So a bit brighter over all then?
Gav getting rekt'd on another 3rd ed battle report.
I should make a couple of Eldar portal terrain pieces, it doesn't seem hard to make.
I think I'll steal this scenario for my campaign.
>>83027216To be honest probably can still use the old one, just not get the point cost you want.
>>82968199how was the grass made for the table? Is it painted sand?
>>83028174I believe they use same stuff for model railways its usually sand on giant rolls of paper
>>83029442>>83028174Oh I thought it was thin and fine felt. Does the model train sheets hold up well? Does anyone know if their fragile?
>>83029563its pretty much like sand paper, you get a little bit of sand brushing off to begin with and over time but its pretty durable
>>83029615Does it come in different colors, do you know? I wanted to get a few battle mats to imply grassland/woodland/farmland, but also desert/wasteland, snowy/tundra, and city/moonscape.
>>82973961Tau, tyranids, marines.
>>83030044failing that going to ebay and typingmodel scenery rollinto search bar will have a lot of results with that particular one at the top
>>83009067Should join some of the Facebook groups, people sell their old stuff at good prices here and there.Google "Facebook Warhammer 40k 2nd Edition"
>>83030078I found that you've got to be careful rollong them up to avoid creases. These days I use caulk battlemaps that I made.
>>83027643This battlereport got ne into 40k.
>>83033127For me it was the Iron Warrios/Space Wolves one that ended with the commanders dueling.
>>83022134Guy who has sent a bunch of old Warhammer to a certain someone here. I'm currently trying to rewrite for the second time a rule set for 40k that takes design cues from 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 8th, and 9th and blend them into a cohesive whole. There's things I love and hate about all these editions, so I trying to bring all the things I love, smash em together, and smooth it over into an alternate turn system that prioritizes fun(in the "crazy rules and strange shenanigans" way) and balance(on the "no, this unit is not going to be king for a month before being needed into uselessness next month" way).One of the hardest parts was to find a perfect way to do vehicles. Gotta make it so that a lucky lascannon shot won't completely obliterate a massive knight turn 1 because of critical damage tables, but also not make vees into shitty characters. I think I have a system down packed for them now, strange hybrid of 2nd, 4th, and 8th. Codexs not even started yet, refuse to touch them until the core is sound, but I have ideas. Orks, for example, will be a lot like the 3rd Ed codex and the two books they got in RT.Also there's going to be no primaris period. End of rine. Rine ends here.
>>83027382Brighter skin tone too
>>83034015If you're going to ditch Primaris, I'd strongly suggest ditching Knights (and all other lords of war + flyers) at the same time. Retrohammer is great for its simplicity: heroes, infantry, vehicles, walkers. Limit the size of the vehicles on the table, and you'll limit the impact of single lucky lascannon shots - nobody's going to lose much sleep over rolling badly and losing a Rhino or Predator.
>>83034389Yeah, but... I like Knights :(They might have a points limit to take, ie, may only be taken if your game is 1500 points or higher
>>83034516That could be a good solution, or something like the old FW books: it's an optional extra, only to be used in games if both players agree to it.
>>83026098wtf are you talking about. i live in the uk and have bought plenty of bmm gamesworkshop models. i've got a bunch of his 4th edition goblins
>>83035992nevermind im retarded i read bmm twice
>>83034516It's how it works in 2nd ed, knight has to be quarter of your points and you have to warn other player in advance before even gathering that you will be using one.
>>83032185I put a big cardboard tube inside mine and that stopped creases.
>>830345163rd edition super heavy rules limited them to games above 2k if i remember rightly
>>83026098How comes UK users can't buy GW stuff on BLM? I mean, obviously these recasts are illegal but not just in UK.
>>83041076Probably a pre-emptive measure to block GW covert ops
Been getting into playing older editions (currently preparing for some games of 4th edition with 3rd edition codexes) and I have an old armorcast reaver titan currently disassembled in a box. Was wondering if reaver titans had any rules in something like a chapter approved anywhere. Was thinking of returning the old beast to the table.
>>83041489Armorcast did do Datafax for all their models, which they included with the kits and in their own Inquisitor Magazine. They were in the same league as Citadel Journal rules, technically legit though you'd not got away with them at Games Day
>>83041489I don't have a copy, but Imperial Armour vol 6 should have rules for 4th Ed.
>>83041629I do like me some random result tables>>83041688I'll try and find it, seems a bit more elusive online than the other IA pdfs.
Found this, thought it was pretty neat and fit here:http://www.mark-1-tank.net/games-workshop-baneblade.html
>>83036167"hey guys can I bring my $2000 forge world titan" "no"
>>83043057Yep that's how it should be.you can bring your titan when we play apocalypse, leave it at home for regular games, and leave named special characters for big narrative games based around them.
>>83043057why does how much your opponents army cost matter? i just want cool models on both side of the table to make a cool looking battle and involving a titan would make for a cool story.
>>83043057Working as intended.
Casually scratchbuilding a bunker for my campaign.
ebay is so rife with resellers, where you guys picking up old models at decent rates? been looking for some original genestealers and the 6th edition plastic wfb zombies but can't find any. Tbh just looking for any marketplace with older models.
>>83043781ebay is always a good option. Even if there are scalpers etc, there is also always somebody getting rid of a collection etc.Then you got classified and local commerce. If you got a bunch of local gamestores it's worth checking for ones with old inventory. That means don't try GW stores, try independent retailers. If you get lucky you can get some 2nd edition stuff in original shrink wrap.
>>83043057works as a great filter then, I should get one.
>>83043781Just buy a decent 3D printer and make your own
>>83043451Titan's aren't as cool to play with as you think. Unless you are playing a big enough game (like apocalypse), it tends to make games very one sided. At lower point values, most armies wouldn't be able to bring enough firepower to even think about hurting a titan like that. For casual pick up games with others, its not that great. For more planned games among closer friends? Go to fucking town with whatever list building you want. But, I imagine most people wanting retro 40k, at smaller point values, probably want a traditional FoC with 1 HQ, 2 troops, plus a few other slots filled to get to ~1000-1500 points. None of this lords of war and fliers bullshit.
>>83044059As someone who uses 3D printed stuff, no it's really not, the wonky mold detail old metals get is not same as what 3D printers can do right now, also resin as material is kinda shit to be honest. Not nearly as fun or easy to work with as old metal or even old plastics.
3E or 4EA Tyranid codex? 3E stealers feel very expensive.
>>830453244th ed has more mods, I'd get that. Also check the Tyranid monster creature designer on Chapter Approved.
>>83034669>>83036167>>83040371Yeah that's the idea. Superheavies and characters will be locked behind certain sizes of battles(why come Creed on a patrol?) as more of a strong suggestion, with it specifically stating you may ignore this limit if both agree, just as with taking the thing in the first place.>>83043057Exactly. if you bringing a 5000 point model to a small skirmish you're a cunt, and if you're playing a huge 25,000 point apocalypse game you're a cunt if you're not letting your buddy pull all the checks and bring out the crazy cool center piece model. Of course, y'all can cook up a game where it's an army vs a titan, that might be fun enough to merely ignore my rule.>>83043657God damn dude that's fire. Based heavily on the second edition imperial fortifications, yeah? Did you build it yourself or follow instructions?>>83044127Never played with or against a titan, let alone know anyone who owns one, but I can imagine it being hard to manuever due to how big it is compared to the board and all that.Will agree with the appeal of retrohammer being smaller but more granular combat, and that's awesome. I'm trying to strike a balance for the system being able to handle kill team size all the way up to apocalypse size. Sort of ruleset within ruleset, like how 4th did kill team: a permutation of the core rules with some bits thrown in. Never understood the hate for flyers though. Airplanes are dope. Live To Fly, Fly To Live, Do Or Die AAAAAAAACES HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH I will admit they've been handled pretty poorly in every edition However.
>>83047604>Did you build it yourself or follow instructions?I build it myself basing it roughly on pictures from a blog.
QUESTION!Does anyone have a scan of Asuryani Sketchbook and Drukahi Sketchbook by Jes Goodwin?Supposedly, the pdfs were posted in Vola before.
>>83048197I have the "The Gothic and the Eldricht - The Collected Sketches of Jes Goodwin", but I've never seen a scan of the Eldar/DE book
>>83048197That is Holy Grail of classic GW art, there are pdfs for both, but you can forget about getting them now that Vola crew is gone.>>83048422I saw Eldar scan, although I downloaded it and just deleted it since I am not really a Eldar fan. Shame, because that shit is rare now.
>>83047604My big issue with flyers is sense of scale for the game. Even with titans, most flyers outside of like drop ships and helicopters would be moving too fast to be represented by an actual model on the table. And with the interact-ability. Needing dedicated AA units to be able to hurt them worth a damn kinda sucks
What IA books are meant for 5th edition?little confused
>>83048830Check this table in lexicanum articles about those books.
>>83048896thanks dog, me and the boys decided to play 5th edition, so im buying us all the books
>>83048913You can fin those in the first magnet here >>82967896
>>83048913Not him, but just to mention it, as far as I know you're good to use anything from 4th as well.
>>83048577>>83048422There's a bunch of MEGAs I have bookmarked that I'm slowly but surely downloading from but they're far from complete (6th and 7th folders in most are incredibly sparse), but in the background book folder I haven't seen the Eldar art books, but I'll look again later. I'm trying to get as much PDFs of Warhammer as possible for the sake of posterity and keep a copy of all of it on my external with all my pirated anime. Speaking of piracy, have you ch cked the magnet links posted here and previous thread? It may be among those torrents.>>83048600>My big issue with flyers is sense of scale for the game. Even with titans, most flyers outside of like drop ships and helicopters would be moving too fast to be represented by an actual model on the table.I can agree with that. Big fuckers like the Marauder Bomber or dedicated aerospace like the lightning fighter are a bit unnecessary outside of large or even apocalypse games, but most armies have some type of anti air, if not multiple options, so it's not that bad. Depends on your local meta. I'm talking about the more tactical aircraft like the Valkrye or the Stormraven or the Chinork, where they can fly around and deliver squads and/or hunt targets. Those are a wealth of coolness that would be a shame to remove.>And with the interact-ability. Needing dedicated AA units to be able to hurt them worth a damn kinda sucksTrue. It's not as bad in 8 and 9 where they have skyrocketed in use compared to even 7th, let alone earlier editions, but most people don't take anti air since they can buff their troopers' ballistic skills so much they can snipe it out of the sky, thanks to stratagems and an overabundance of auras(or, the infamous 8th tactic of anti-air flamethrowers). But it can be disastrous in an edition that didn't bank so hard on stratagems and auras, so AA units would be far more important. This could be circumvented by simply making it another "ask your opponent" thing, or quantity restriction
>>83049019I'm a data hoarder too, and I have a disk full of old GW stuff. Much like with videogames, piracy is the only way to keep old games and content around. Without it, it would be lost forever except for a few collectors. For example, they put the IA Taros book in WH+, but without any old rules and scenarios, which sucks.The magnets do not have the Eldar art books, sadly, but they do have almost all the 6-7th books.
>>83049206When I get out of camp and back home I'll have to turn on my VPN and torrent it so I can complete my 40k collection, and composite it with the stuff I already have(if it doesn't blow my already substantial collection out the water). Like I said, after work I'll see if I can find it among the MEGAs
>>83049411I'm not the anon who asked first for it, but I'd love to see it if you find it. Feel free to ask for anything you don't have, I've got a few "rare" scans, like the complete version of IA Vraks part 3 (almost all scans lack the end pages of the story!)
>>83048600I feel the same way about artillery. Something with a 10k plus range shouldn't be represented in the battlefield unless the scenario dictates it eg, you've identified the enemy's artillery and are attacking it directly.
>>82967896Doing the Emperor's work Anon.
>>83049019>>83048600Epic did flyers properly: they live off-table, activate to make a single attack run (taking AA fire and risking fighter interception), and then move off the table to refuel and re-arm. Even that system seems too fast for a skirmish game like 40k, though, and I'm not sure if it'd be workable within an IGOUGO system. Better to just stick to ground-based skimmers.
>>83049658Yeah, I both love and hate the basilisk. It's a cool looking model for sure, but it definitely is something that's firing at stuff significantly far away. A standard table is likely to be entirely too close to fire at.Using it as a centerpiece in a game setup to defend it from someone trying to actually taking it out would be super sweet. You don't directly deal with it's fire that close, you deal with it's defenders.
thoughts on finecast?
I am pretty sure I used to have a box of old space marines but I can't find them. All I could find was an old ork and a broken skeleton. But a have a couple of old marines and I have bought some boxes of the space marine tactical squad. Always thought that the aquila mark VII was the best.
>>83052278i have never seen a recaster cast something worse than what finecast looks like.
>>83052278NEVER buy a finecast version of a metal model. It's always gonna be garbage compared to metal.The only FC models you should even look at are the handful of exclusive releases before GW switched over to doing characters in plastic as well.
>>83052383In my opinion the last run of regular Space Marines were some really good models, such a subtle but solid improvement on what came before - and what came before already worked well for decades. And the fact that you could use marines as old as beakies in a modern army (one person I knew did) is huge to think about.You can find older space marines for a pittance these days with only a little digging. Hell, even before Primaris I was finding them in old bits boxes.
found some sick 2nd edition nids on wallapop being sold by spaniards but get left on read when i message feels bad
>>83049019>>83049206>>83049411>>83049483I have just about everything published for 40k from Rogue Trader up until midway through last year, if you anons need any specific scans let me know.For my part, to complete my collection I need the following:>War Zone Charadon Act 2: The Book of Fire (current available scans are rules only, missing ~40 pages of lore)>War Zone Octarius Book 2: Critical Mass>Crusade Mission Pack Containment>Crusade Mission Pack Catastrophe>White Dwarf #466 though #472>Codex Genestealer Cults 9eAlso this one is a long shot but I'm trying to find scans of all of the old Battlefleet Gothic Magazine issues, most of the ones I've found are incomplete.If anyone finds any of these in their searches please drop a link here!
>>82967860If anyone wants I’ll post a few pictures from this
i'm looking for a PDF that you used to be able to download from the GW website.It was a ruleset for running a WFB chaos warband. There were mutation tables, you would upgrade your warband between games.This was probably around 2004?
Hi I'm looking for any type of FAQ for 4th and 3th edition. They have become quite difficult to find now days. I know there is one for necrons. Oh and I also looking for the special lictor deathlipper profile released for medusa V during 4th edition. Just to see the difference with the one released during 5th.
>>83055146I've got a few of those: https://ufile.io/f/ac85zWD470 hasn't been scanned yet, I think.
>>830453244th edition tyranids are brutal, they shoot more and better than tau.
>>83055887The FAQs of 3rd edition are in the Chapter Approved.
>>83045324depends on what environment you're playing in, if everyone else is using 3e codexes use the 3e one. if everyone is using 4e ones use the 4e one.
>>83056489You can get them on the old GW website through the Wayback Machine. It's also on the mega folder in OP.
>>8304980240k 3rd/4th did that too. It was great.
>>83055146>>83049019>>83048577I am the anon that asked for Asuryani Sketchbook and Drukahi Sketchbook by Jes Goodwin. Did someone find them maybe? Scalpers are asking for ridiculous sums.
>>83057159Yeah sorry dude I looked through that mega again and didn't see the Eldar sketchbooks.Maybe >>83055146 has it? I'm pretty sure I have that Chardon Act 2 book but I would have to look
>>83057300Shame, but you have my thanks for looking.Pretty incredible that they are so hard to find.
Anyone looked at doing WHFB in another scale? I've thought about playing 2nd edition in 1/72. Pretty well everything you need is out there in 1/72 plastics these days.
>>82967896I'm too dumb to use those links apparently. When I try to use them in qBittorrent it says that the syntax or whatever is incorrect.
>>83057816Disregard this post, I'm even dumber than I thought. Forgot to get all of the link copied.
>>83057757>1/72Isn't that just 25mm? Warhammer was in that scale up until 3rd Edition anyway
>>83057837Classic mistake, don't fret.>>83057858>>83057757There's a video on YouTube where some dude experiments with playing WHFB in 15mm. Quite interesting.
>>83057858Closer to 22mm on average but it varies a bit. You wouldn't really need to make any rules changes for it to work. For a long time there was no real fantasy 1/72 but now there's orcs, centuars, ratmen, lizardfolk, dwarves, elves, etc.Not to mention that hordes of the little bastards can be had cheap. around 15 bucks for a box of 50 is pretty standard.
>>83057757why would I want to do that?
>>83058421Cause you could? I don't know really, I just like tinkering with different projects. It's also a hell of a lot cheaper which is a bonus for us poorhammer fuckers.
>>83058503at that point you may as well just play a different game. i don't really see the point of playing warhammer if you're not going to use any of the warhammer miniatures at all, may as well just play another ruleset.
>>83057757I play Warhammer Ancient Battles in 1/72, I don't see why you couldn't play Warhammer Fantasy the same way, since it's basically the same rules.
>>83057159If you find it elsewhere, don't forget to post it here, please. I'd love to see more Jes Goodwin kino art.
>>83057757Just play warmaster?
>>83055887Ask again next thread and I'll add some stuff for third. No sense bothering here now where no one will see it.