Is Birthright the most based and redpilled D&D setting to ever exist? It's gritty low fantasy political intrigue. It literally inspired GRRM to write Game of Thrones after he read it.The Middle East place in Birthright is a shithole. You can go on a crusade to invade it and DEUS VULT.In the adventure that comes with the boxed set, if you get too cocky, an assassin literally slits your throat while you sleep.
>>82322740Birthright has sovl
>>82322740>gritty low fantasyIt's a game about people who have explicit god dna running in their veins. Even by your made up standards of what "low fantasy" entails, it isnt.
>>82322740I only play as a setting’s equivalent of the middle easterner so this sounds shit.
>>82322884>he doesn't want to jihad the decadent sultants and establish a true caliphate on the ashes of their palacesNGMI
>>82322899Didn't work out for the Vos OR Anuireans when they tried. Turns out it's a lot harder to do when the bulk of such nations are ruled by, or have as very, very loyal viziers, powerful mages. That, and there's a ton of potent Awnshegh in the area blocking strategic points, who would also invade when/if you did to profit on raiding everyone involved.
>>82322740>based>inspired GRRM*Definitely* not.
>>82322740>Low fantasy>One of the core rules is combining your divine blood with arcane power to nuke entire battlefields>The entire party is god blooded people who start off with like four times the health of normal PCs and loads of other bonuses based on bloodline
>>82323873It literally has the Iron Throne and the historical title being "King of the Andu"/"King of the Andals."GRRM copied it.
>>82322740I like the concept but the setting they wrote is kind of boring.
>>82325007he's saying it's not based because it inspired GRRM you troglodite
Mystara is the most based setting anon
>>82322740It's not really that good lol
>>82322740>if you get too cocky, an assassin literally slits your throat while you sleep.It's fine. I have enough hp to survive it.
>>82328034Throat slit = die instantly.Rulings, not rules.
It had potential, naming choices were terrible for example, as was the highlander shit.
>>82322740>It's gritty low fantasy political intrigueNo, it isn't. It's high fantasy as fuck, with magic so powerful it affects entire kingdoms, based on people having magical god blood powers. Read the fucking books.
>>82328104sorry, cant hear you from behind my 28 ac and 130 hp. try a few more times with that knife, maybe i will feel it after a dozen cuts
>>82328397You know damn well that OP doesn't have the attention span for that. >>82328415>but muh GM fiat REEEEEEEE
>>82328415Not in my AD&D, ya self-entitled poofter.
>>82328575I don't care about your mudcore sensibilities. Hit points are fortune and favor of the gods. Petty knife can't kill me so easily.
>>82322740>developing your kingdom is almost completely pointless>bloodline power and going on adventures trumps everything
>>82328659Rule #1 in the DM's guide is to kill rules lawyering scum, so I should kill you instead of your character.But since you favour the written rule so much: it's non-magical sleep so you get a surprise roll (rolled by the DM) to not get killed instantly. Let's say you succeed, you still get automatically hit and take maximum possible damage because you are still helpless that round. You may now fight with 10 AC and no weapon because you did not bloody sleep in your armour and flashy magical gear, ya tit. And all that is only if the DM is being a softcock, because if it's happening to your character then they deserve it.
>>82328768>you did not bloody sleep in your armour and flashy magical gear, ya titHonestly depends a lot on the gear. I've seen plenty of people who sleep with jewellery on and rings of protection are a very popular magic item.
>>82328121>as was the highlander shit.The highlander shit was so stupid they had to spend like 5 pages explaining how it can possibly work without just leading to loads of people murdering each other and constantly getting god powers.
>>82328034>>82328415>>82328659There are rules that bypass AC, saves, and reactions if you sufficiently fuck up. Your armor saves you in a battle, not in situations in which your passive perception and preparations have already been bypassed well within the context of the rules. Besides, by the time you actually Care about that kind of thing, you've also gotten to the point as a player where you've got at least one or two concepts waiting in the wings that you're eager to try and see if you can figure out who killed your last PC in-game(And congratulate them, because you're now playing the one who hired the assassin in the first place.)
>>82332009Shitty rules which completely ignore the nature and importance of hit points. 3/10 try harder next time mudcorefag
>>82332446Don't even know what mudcore is. If you don't want to deal with non-combat risks, don't play games you aren't old enough for.
no because it's not my own homebrew setting.
>>82322740I liked it a lot.
>>82328415You get too cocky, you get your throat slit in your sleep. Simple as that.
>>82332685And? Such a petty inconvenience can't kill my character.
>>82322740I CLAIM THIS THREAD IN THE NAME OF GUNDEHAR KLUGGMAN, FIRST OF HIS NAME, KING AND PROTECTOR OF RHEULGARD
>>82332987captcha ate my file
shit system and shit setting
>>82322740That sounds like the least interesting setting even for low bar that is DnD. GoT was shit and low fantasy gritty stuff is not really fun, grimy shit is fun, but that is not great set up for a RPG it's works great for wargames. Just go and play warhammer fantasy anon, it's clear you want that. Or zweihander since your taste is shit.
No, Birthright is not the most based D&D setting to ever exist.
>>82333282That is most daft thing ever, but I agree it's better in all ways.
>>82333225No one here is talking about the inside of your head
>>82334218rolling for burn damagedice+2d6
>>82332685And what happens if they're an elf? Elves don't sleep.
>>82322740>Birthright That's not how you spell Pelinore.
>>82334218you assumed wrongly, I am talking about the setting and system the OP has mentioned, it is called "Birthright" and "D&D" respectivelycommon mistake
>>82336912It's not a mistake to see that your head is full of shit, retard
It's an alright setting. The naval combat books are pretty good.
>>82339221"Based and redpilled" means a very specific thing on this site, and neither of the leads who worked on this setting come within a mile of it (to the surprise of nobody).
>>82339234Only based and redpilled things can be good.
>>82339234Yes, stupid things like you
>>82339264Bro. Can you even read blackout text? It's pretty fucking obvious I don't actually care if someone is "based and redpilled" or not. People who do are stupid, so I'm just pointing out that they're wrong, and they're always going to be wrong because anybody with a lick of sense doesn't choose their beliefs or affiliate ideologies based on contrarianism or trying to cause offense to people.
>>82339264>>82339249>>82339221Cope seethe and dilate
>>82339310No u and your stupid face
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>>82328034>>82328104>>82332685good thing assassinate action autofails against PCs so this is literally your GM being a cunt if it happens>>82333011A truly historical bout.
>>82340629>good thing assassinate action autofails against PCs so this is literally your GM being a cunt if it happensNot in the adventure. Terem just does it.
>>82322740I hear about it here and there, read some of the setting's lore, but would like to hear how good it is to play?
>>82341291Excellent if the GM is good, I can see how it would be pretty bad if you don't have the sense to fill in some of the voids with good ideas or handwave some of the worse ideas. You need a good, sane grognard with an understanding of 2e to run it. It's not really going to work in the other editions because they kid glove the player too much, and Birthright is all about playing with the hand you've been dealt.One big trouble with Birthright is that the large-scale battle system is janky as fuck, but it ties to realm management rules which are really good, so you can't just replace it with something or change the numbers or it will fuck up the balance.Another thing that comes to mind is that the lore is kind of conflicting with the mechanics on how exactly Bloodlines behave in terms of inheritance, and sooner or later the GM has to make some personal rulings. In particular the stories of Awnshegh don't really work the way the system makes them work mechanically. You are supposed to use Investiture to declare your heir, but even if you don't and get killed, lore suggests your bloodline at full power will just pop up somewhere else among your relatives, which is funny if you're an awnshegh, and is actually a pretty common backstory. But nothing in rules supports that.I think the best way to play Birthright is to roll stats in order (we did 4d6k3 and if you switch stats around you're a pussy), since that way you get a character who has a bloodine of some kind, but their stats don't necessarily agree with it (getting inhuman charisma stat as a fighter, but not the stats to be a bard/rogue). You just decide if you're blooded, and from there let the dice mostly determine the role you're supposed to play in the world, and then you try to actually play it.
>>82341368Also, remember to lasso werewolf and goblin fuckers off of cliffst. Sokol Drzic
>>82342470wait... I only know one man obsessed with The Hobbit cartoon...
>>82342634I won't dignify this shitty thread with my presence save to say that ain't me. Waste of time shitposting fills up the bulk of it and the OP knows shit about the setting making such stupid claims.
>>82343168Get bait'd, Chron!t. rastaman
>>82341368No lies said here, all around the right way of looking at the setting.
>>82325399M-Y-S-T-A-R-A... that's a weird way to spell pre-grand conjunction ravenloft.
>>82325033That sums up so much of TSR's work...
>>82325033>>82344512More like all of the 2E era.Good concept, great artists, absolutely shit-tier execution.Probably because Gygax & co had been ousted and the corp was run by a corporate raider and a bunch of people who just wanted a steady paycheck.
There's a lot of things I like such as the xenophobic elves, shadow realm, and awnsheghlien. You can clearly see its influences and it's very much a product of the 90's. EG, blood theft stolen from Highlander. Captain Planet enviromentalism. Tolkien's Anarcho-Monarchism autism in the chamberlain holding the empire in trust for centuries instead of scheming nobles finding some 2nd cousin to take the throne and manipulating him. Birthright did suggest you run it as low/rare magic(eg even +1 swords have names and a level 9 wizard living in a tower is a big deal) but didn't really enforce/stress it. I'm sure most groups in practice were as loaded up with magical gear as a Forgotten Realms party.Along those lines, if you're running the setting as written, a crusade would be a really bad idea. Sending your army halfway across the world would make you very vulnerable to your neighbors.
What's the best (non-DnD) system to use if I want to have a game set in Cerillia where the group are minor scions/nobles? People like a count's son or knight who'd have some flexibility to travel, eg because they were escorting a diplomat, and stumble into intrigues ala the Hedge Knight and still do a little DnD fare like fighting monsters.
>>82344974I know you said you didn't want dnd, but my mind immediately goes to one of the lighter osr options, like Hero's Journey, White Hack or such things. PDQ could do it if you want it ultra-light, and Savage Worlds would be a nice middle-ground between crunch and free-form(I don't know if they have a new mass battle system, the old one was awful).The next two suggestions would take a lot more work, I think.I thought about converting Reign to do it some time ago, and gave up. Too different of a mindset for me. But I could see Forged in the Dark working, if you were willing to do some major retooling.
>>82344974I would say you want something a bit crunchier, rather than simple, with lots of possible conditions and effects. Bloodline powers are like cocaine for players, since they're really powerful, but whatever system this is needs to be able to properly represent them as controlling a very specific thing very well, without breaking the game over your knee.unironically GURPS might work very well but lol GURPS
>>82344195Why must you turn your back to Meredoth
>>82344844>Along those lines, if you're running the setting as written, a crusade would be a really bad idea. Sending your army halfway across the world would make you very vulnerable to your neighbors.That was the case in medieval Europe. But the Crusades were wildly successful and mission accomplished: Saladin killed, Jerusalem retaken, Christendom expanded in the name of Charlemagne.
>>82341368>it ties to realm management rules which are really goodHell no.