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>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committee:
https://mtgcommander.net/

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://www.edhrec.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity.
http://mtglands.com/

>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices.
https://www.archidekt.com

>CARD SEARCH
https://scryfall.com

>TQ
What is your favourite graveyard tech?
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>>82318129
For me, it's Entombing Glory to counter removal or make an alpha strike.
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>Previous thread:
>>82306719

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>how to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com/
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First for bring back tuck
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They massacred our boy
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>>82318129
>TQ
This cheap card lets you trade duds for something better, or even save your key card when someone nukes your gy.
All that for one mana on instant speed.
Imagine this with a muck drubb in your gy
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>>82318167
It just occurred to me that Christian's probably been an extra-prolific fag lately because the latest set is about a marriage.
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>>82318164
No one want to see tuck make a comeback but you, nigger. Stop this shit.
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>>82318197
Tuck would do a lot to solve the problem of pushed commanders, and give white a much needed boost in power.
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>>82318195
A heterosexual marriage between two attractive white people no less, he's probably fuming.
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Which is better? Karlov or Vona? They both seem to have very similar playstyles of "lifegain+payoff for lifegain via remvoal."
I really wanted to build Vona but 5cmc plus a tap AND its timing restriction make me feel like Karlov is better since you can just spam soul sisters and remove creatures as he himself gets bigger. Vonas can target anything nonland but fuck me does it feel unbelievably restrictive yo avoid abuse.
Does anyone have experience with either?
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What the fuck is happening in this art?
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>>82318244
Then play drannith magistrate, it's tuck on steroids.
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>>82318268
Artistic depiction of
>i'm ready to settle anon
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>>82318268
a trannny dilated too hard and now is walking around with their flesh wound wide open
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>>82318288
It's really not.
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>>82318193
Great now we have another spammer in addition to the 30lifefaggot and squirrelnigger.
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>>82318267
I played Vona and Karlov in the 99 of lifegain decks, and i always found myself using Vona more often than Karlov since i played Masako, the Humorless as tapped blocking secret tech
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>>82318189
No one tell this guy about Tortured Existence
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I love bbc
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SO how good is this guy actually? I'm tuning my Daxos deck from yesterday and his front side seems redundant/too expensive, and the back side just is kinda shit.
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>>82318543
>Too expensive
In an equip/aura its essentially a true conviction on a 4/4 for 4 and the backside lets you protect your main boss monster on a death trigger.
Id say its better in Equips than Auras though
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TL;DR: Sell me on a fun Mardu commander.

First time actually going properly into paper MtG, played free stuff online and used base precons before.
So I've just built a Mardu Queen Marchesa deck, and I'm keen to have more than one deck so the game doesn't get too stale for myself or my opponents.

Looking at other Mardu EDH decks it seems like 45-55 of the cards in each are ones I already own, which is great - I have the main staples (e.g. smothering tithe, necropotence, teferi's protection, etc.) and all the Mardu lands (apart from the ABUR duals or off-color lands) and the ramp artifacts.

What's a fun commander in Mardu colours? Everything seems fairly enjoyable, whether Tribal (e.g. human, vampire), Aristocrats, or Kaalia "big creatures".

I'm aware that Mardu is one of, if not THE worst color combination in EDH, but I don't do cEDH anyway.
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>>82318564
oh i keep forgetting about the backside also giving death bounce to hand. Nevermind He stays. Thanks, I agree he's way better in equips but I surprisingly get away with a lot of shit in my playgroup with auras instead of artifacts. People get real fucking excited to blow up your sword of fire and ice but not so much your curiosity etc.
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>>82318543
>tuning an edh deck
You are the type of retard wotc has been catering to these past few years
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>>82318585
Yeah Id also his ability to move shit around is pretty decent if you have some evasive dudes.
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>>82318578
>I don't do cEDH anyway
>necropotence
Hmmm. Anyways, I'm the resident mardu guy in our local. I have Deathtouch Pingers Kelsien, Marchesa thrones, Kaalia.jpg, and Extus Tokens. They're all fun. I refuse to build Edgar and Ser Gwyn is way too fucking expensive but Mardu Knights would be fun.
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>>82318543
He is honestly very good, he's my main deck that I play at the LGS because it's a battlecruiser deck that has a consistent clock.
His back side can be a whole deck in and of itself, as he can give you infinite value with several cards that even white can tutor easily. His frontside makes all of your guys with swords hit twice, which means double sword procs and big damage. I've ramped 3 lands a turn with this deck.
Here's my list, it's not optimal because casting good spells at an LGS is unfun for the mouthbreathers.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/FAUY2f35hUm5B0xzTMG-rw
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>>82318600
Not many, but I do have ardenn in there too who arguable is better for that effect since you can move curses and bad enchants like imprisoned in the moon off.
>>82318589
I just slapped a bunch of junk together and it durdled a lot and I did nothing. If you think trimming/cleaning the deck up (which can be synonymous with the word tuning) you're retarded and baiting.
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>>82318610
based
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>>82318610
I never realized that the guy on the right is drawing cuphead bosses.
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>>82318604
>necro is cEDH
Do crawbabies really
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>>82318609
oh damn spectral steel is super solid. missed that card. Thanks anon.
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>>82318634
>I pay 20 life, draw 20 cards and win the game immediately
I mean I assume if you're running such a sweaty card you aren't playing retard tribal.
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>>82318604
For what it's worth, I don't use Necropotence to draw 30 cards and then smash, I use Necro to make sure my hand is always full if I need it.
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>>82318682
that's more reasonable but I still don't know how griselbrand is banned but this card isnt.
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are there some mono red that are good for longer games?
my pod is pretty control heavy, a lot of counters and removal, so not gonna have a good time with anything that runs out of fuel fast (yeah i know that this isn't really good for red)
been thinking about neheb and zurzoth mostly
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>>82318638
If you wanted to make the deck better you would cut some of the top end, I just wanted to jam a bunch of the small creature reanimation/support because I have no other deck to jam them in really.
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>>82318347
Even better, this one's the shitposter.

>>82318589
>>Tuning a deck is bad
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>>82318652
>And win the game immediately
rtfc
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>>82318715
>are there some mono red that are good for longer games?
Yes
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White is fine. Git gud.
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>>82318715
Theoretically any deck that has recursion in it, so the commander hardly matters.
Just play something with recursion or card advantage.
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Wilhelt or Varina?
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>>82318811
Varina if you want more of a toolbox approach, Wilhelt if you just wanna go purely zombie tribal. I like the reach of esper with white's removal options but wilhelt is an insane value engine in and of himself.
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>TQ
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>>82318652
>win the game immediately
>"Put that card into your hand at the beginning of your next end step"
Lmao
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>>82318880
ah sorry, in response to your opponents upkeep you win. My apologies on the 5 second gap sir zoomer.
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>>82318715
My Diaochan deck is a pseudo control deck, which prefers longer games.
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>>82318767
Except its not?
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>>82318129
>TQ
>>82318837
we're not so different, you and I
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>>82318715
torb group slug.

provided you can get your value pieces out at a semi decent rate, and the monored card draw isnt fucking you sideways, torb only gets more powerful the longer the game goes on with things like sulphuric vortex and manabarb triggers, and enchantments like spellshock and furnace of rath.

the objective of this deck is not necessarily to slow the game. the objective is to keep it going at a normal pace until a critical point where casting any spell will cause 8 damage and kill the shitter who used every shock land in his deck.
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>>82318897
>YOUR next End Step
If your pod lets you survive until your next turn, they and their decks are shit
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>>82318929

I always pack multiple instances of graveyard hate if I can.
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Quick, you must come up with a Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Balloon for Magic. You can choose either a Planeswalker or Color Pie float.
Hard mode: no Bolas
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>>82319010
Jace or Urza, ez
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>>82319010
Jace bowing to Kaya as she steps on his face
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>>82319010
Lilliana consorting with demons
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>>82318767
Yes fine, but leagues behind the other colors. We just want to sit at the same table.
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>>82319010
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>>82319032
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>>82318963
>he can't win at instant speed during his opponents upkeep after he draws ~20 cards
Pretty sad desu
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https://archidekt.com/decks/2091849#Almond_Activation

My first attempt at making a General Ferrous Rokiric spellslinger list. The idea is to play lots of token generators that trigger off of me playing spells, mainly burn and value creatures, then kill everyone with all the shit I've played.
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>>82319101
blessed post
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>>82318129
>tfw my praetors showed up after 5 months
Fuck ya they look so good anons. I'm thankful I didnt get foils.
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>>82318347
i like the squirrelnigger :(
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>>82319143
>t. Forced meme spammer
No one likes forced memes Christian.
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>>82319164
I like squirrelbreh too, made an anon so mad he drew diaper fetish.
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>>82318715
norin
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>>82318765
he actually seems cool, got some decks to recommend?
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>>82318578
>Machineguns your opponent's boardstates with only a thornbite staff and deathtouch
Nothing personnel, kid
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>>82319346
NOOOOOOOOO
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Post a card that explodes people's minds. Last night I copied this salty bastard with progenitor mimic.
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>>82319366
Sasuga.
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>>82319234
>made an anon so mad
Didn't squirrelnigger start seething after that?
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>>82319419
Yes, for consecutive days.
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>>82319439
>>82319419
Headcanon
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https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/balan-wander-land/
Alright lads I've piled together a list to give to my friend for Xmas. I can probably throw a little more money into the list since I'm only gonna be spending under $20 to get the shit I'm missing, so I can probably fit a few better equipment/tutors. Any suggestions? Also what should I cut if I wanna bump it up to 34 lands?
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30 starting life is objectively superior to 40
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>>82319464
Do you really want our resident autists to dredge the archive to prove they're right like always, or will you just accept your booty blasting and move on productively to discuss edh, perhaps by posting your cardboard??
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Cool if I sit down and play a game?
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>>82319338
He's so cool looking, too bad he sucks.
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>>82319464
Wow, I cant believe you actually responded to that weakest bait, I always thought youd be above this kind of banter.
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>>82319474
10/10 pun.

>>82319464
>"I wasn't mad, everyone else was!"
Shut the fuck up squirrelnigger
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I hear you have a Squirrel problem?
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>>82319515
many such cases
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>>82319562
Kresh doesn't suck. He usually nets me a kill on the turn he hits the board
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>>82319592
how? list?
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>>82319474
Steelshapers Gift and Stonehewer Giant would be good
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>>82319562
kelsien is way jankier than kresh, who at least has the potential to como with so many differen thigs aswell as shitting out value. you need way more specific cards to play kelsien and battlecruiser with a side of voltron is a really janky strat to play
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>>82319600
Probably sac outlets then Jarad or Chandra's Ignition
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>>82318589
Tuning ≠ Optimizing
You tune your piano even if you aren't a concert pianist.
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>>82319474
I uh, I mulliganed like 30 times on the playtester and none of the hands were playable, I'm not joking. If you're playing an equipment deck your creature curve really has to start at 1, and have more playable 2 drops. Cut a bunch of the shit equips as well, they just clog the hand.
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>>82319600
You're in the colors of +1/+1 counters, double-strike, additional combats, lure, trample, etc
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>>82319545
>in response to this resolving, I'll pay a black and sacrifice 2 squirrels give him +2/-2
Lol problem?
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god damn why are so many of his cards so expensive?
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>>82319884
>in response to this resolving
Please don't pretend to be dumb, we have some very impressionable tourists
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>>82319884
>in response to this resolving
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>>82319884
>squirrelfag can't play the game
color me surprised
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>>82319884
Squirrelfag is a nogame. Surprise surprise
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>someone is selling a card $10 less than the average selling price on TCGPLAYER
>they only have 6 sales and no reviews
Lads... Is it a fake?
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>>82319884
something something statebased action.
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>>82319884
>>82319896
>>82319899
I had a game a year ago where an opponent cast a board wipe and passed priority. When nobody did anything in response, he said "Okay, well, while Blasphemous Act is still on the stack..." and we immediately harangued him for it
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>>82319895
Because you're in mono brown, which means that the only the way the deck works is by having all the best artifacts.
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>>82318268
>Goatse ritual
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>>82319545
+ Night of Souls Betrayal
+ Engineered Plague
+ Virulent Plague
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>>82319919
What did he cast after and why does it matter? He doesn't need to hold priority to cast something else, does he?
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>>82319884
I'm going to explain this for newfags in case you're not just pretending to be retarded:
After a spell resolves, the active player gains priority, not you (yet). Don't be rude and interrupt illegally.
Second, no. The squirrels die as a result of a state-based action the next time any player gets priority. Can't sacrifice dead tokens.
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>>82319931
it would change the order, tough.
he basically casts in response to himself after he made sure nobody is answering the act
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>>82319970
Is that an illegal play? Let's say I casted a board wipe like damnation, then I played a Heroic Intervention to protect my own stuff, would I have to cast the Heroic Intervention after I casted Damnation? Or do I wait for responses then cast it
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>>82319010
Vraska and Jace love scene float.
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>>82319562
>>82319592
what do you think about pic related in Kresh?
seems like such a funky fit but I am uncertain it would get enough value
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>played games yesterday
>had to explain how regenerate worked
>fuck up and think transmute is instant speed
>friend flickered out of time and we had to figure out why it wasnt oblivion ring but everything is phased out
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>>82319993
You can play heroic intervention before or in response. You just need to give your opponents time to respond to each spell as it's cast.
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>>82320017
>Resolves and dies
Cool card
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>>82319764
What would you recommend adding in terms of creatures?
>Cut a bunch of the shit equips
Most of the shitty ones like Greataxe Prying Blade are there as placeholders that he can take out and use some of the better equipment I know he has laying around like Sword of the Animist or Feast and Famine. But if you have any suggestions on which should go first I'm all ears.
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>>82320046
future sight has the coolest cards, change my mind.
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>>82320046
Static abilities nigga
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>>82320017
>3 mana recurrable "Put 8 +1/+1 counters on your commander"
You tell me
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>>82319993

Once you pass priority, and the rest of the table does the same, the stack resolves. You can't cast more stuff after you've passed priority and noone's responded. You can, however, hold priority after casting a spell. The assumption to help speed up games is that you're passing priority after casting a spell, so you have to state that you'll be holding priority. You can cast your damnation, state you'll be holding priority, cast your heroic intervention, then pass priority to the next player. Then you can get blown the fuck out by whirlwind denial.

that's how I understand it, but i haven't been playing too long.
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>>82320042
You have to hold priority and cast intervention in response. If you pass priority with a wipe on the stack, you don't get it back before it resolves.
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>>82320096
What
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Ha
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>>82319831
Don't post random cards. Tell me about some games you played and what sequence of plays you did to instakill someone and what turn it was.
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>>82319993
>>82320110
>>82320118
its basically like in poker, right?
you check, everybody checks after you, you then announce you would like to raise(=change the stack by playing a card) which is an illegal move.
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>>82320141
Any static toughness boost that affects that elemental will keep it alive.
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>>82320216
effects that give it tokens on etb also work.
the point in Kresh tough would be to have it die state based, no anthems required.
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>>82320183
autism
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>>82320153
>Puts a squirrel token into your hand
Outskilled
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>>82319143
Liking squirrel safter they have been memed by Nosewater is already a sign of bad taste, spamming it each thread is a sure sign of being subhuman waste.
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>>82320075
I apologize if I came off aggressive in my first reply, I just had a hard time expressing concisely that I felt the deck did not work at all.
>What would you recommend adding in terms of creatures?
Anyone that gives protectiong, Giver, Mother, Caretaker. These are good because they're 1 drops so you can put swords on them, and they can protect your 2 and 3 drops if you don't have equips. Also you want to do things on turn 1. Hopeful Initiate is a new card I'm trying out, seems like it might just never get to remove a thing but it could be good.
>Cut a bunch of the shit equips
Before I get to this I'd cut some other cards: Sisays Ring, Worn Powerstone, Obelisk (You dont want expensive mana ramp in an aggressive deck), if you want this effect play Knight of the White Orchid and the other newer version of it, these are also bodies for equips.
Ravnica at War: admittedly I don't know your meta but having a wrath that doesn't always hit the problems is not good.
Return to Dust: personal preference, but in 4 years of almost only playing mono white this card is too slow.
Temple of the False God: You're an aggressive deck, this alone fucked up a couple of the opening hands I tried. Same goes for taplands.
Instants that give protection: some of these are alright but drawing multiple in an opening hand is usually a death sentence.
Foundry Inspector+Courser: Danitha has good keywords, these do not. You don't really want to reduce the cost of relatively cheap cards with cards that cost more mana, if you had tutors for Sram+Puresteel these would be better, but those tutors are not in.
Refurbish: play another equip instead.

Alright, back to cutting bad equips. Most of the ones in there aren't great, but in a pinch I'd stay away from the ones in a >2 equip cost. Having high equip costs makes you a lot slower, and relies on Balan too much. If Balan dies a couple times and you drew into like, Colossus Hammer + Greataxe you end up doing nothing afterwards.
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>>82320277
>hey tell me some stories about your commander deck in the commander thread?
>le ol tism' fellas amirite xD
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>>82320183
>Don't post random cards
Lmao
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>>82318268
The person fucking exploded into a cloud of red mist.
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>>82318268
Looks like something grisly happened in some kind of ritual
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>>82319931
You can cast spells in response to your other spells, but you have to do that before you pass priority and before any other player can respond.
If each player passes, the topmost object on the stack resolves.
Which is to say, you cannot cast a spell, wait for everyone else to do something, and in case they don't, respond to your spell. You cannot "scout" for counterspells this way.
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>>82320341
That's clearly fuchsia, anon.
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Whenever I cast a spell, I just hold priority and resolve that spell, then pass priority.
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>>82320379
Fuck off, squirrelnigger.
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>Attrition
>Mind Slash
>Dictate Effects
What are some other control-y outlets for an aristocrats deck? I'm in Dimir, so a lot of the utility you'd see from red/green is missing.
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Post Angels
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>>82320183
>Don't post random cards
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>>82320484
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>>82320484
Sadistic Hypnotist is a classic
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>>82320292
Tokens aren't cards
You'd know that if you actually played the game
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>>82320639
>smokestack and boardwipe tribal
How does this deck actually play? Does it take an average 10+ more turns to win because durdle or do you know your win lines?
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>>82320639
Is this Christian's deck?
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>>82320785
No fuck you it's my deck
>>82320715
It's clearly not competitive, and there's only three boardwipes. I mean you can win with combat damage or combo of you want to close the game out.
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What's the best way to divide sections in a 800 count BCW cardboard box?
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I got a really, really good idea for a deck.
Pic rel is my favorite spell.
I'm going to build a deck that's entirely centered around casting it as many times as possible.
Do i go 5c, or Gay kings?
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>>82319562
this guy is so cool but I already have so many decks that use my commander as a beatstick/wincon I think Im just stuck as a retarded voltron player
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>>82319101
Fucking demons is a valid religion
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>>82321025
fucking cock destroyers
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>>82320325
autism
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>>82320946
You need black at the very least so that you can combo it with Phage.
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>>82318933
Seconding Torb slug. There are just enough cards that you can effectively punish greed. The more lands and artifacts your opponents play, the harder you can hit them. Draw is the biggest shortcoming. Id even recommend running cycle lands just to give it a little gas.
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>>82320592
Its a silver uncard. Anon actually can give him the token as long as its a literal paper printed token
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>>82321352
Going to need a link to MaRo's ruling on this one
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>>82321025
Do elven women really?
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>>82321391
You're really asking a stranger to read through a jewish pilpul and fringe format ruling blog on a holiday? You're a sick fuck my dude. also its almost turkey time and I cant be bothered
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>>82318933
>>82321287
that does seem pretty good but i'm afraid it's gonna result in everyone just focusing me, also not sure if its not too strong for my pod
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I hope I never become so annoying that people in the general start to see me as a recognizable character
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>>82321535
Hello, Dave.
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>>82321535
Too l8 m8
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>>82321535
Don't worry anon. The fact that you care about behaving like decent human being means it will probably never happen.
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>>82321168
>so that you can combo
Part of what i want to do with the deck is finding ways to win exclusively with my opponents' permanents
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>>82321535
I hope i never spend so much time in any general that i recognize the people there
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>>82321680
Here is your commander
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>>82321728
the what?
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>>82321728
Check again bro.
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>>82321738
How does playing cards from my opponents' hands help me cast Shattered identity over and over again?
Sen triplets doesn't even have green, i need that for regrowth effects.
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>>82322135
just build degenerate bantshit like the usual primal amulet + fogs + regrowth effects
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>>82318715
I thought Neheb was going to be just explosive. And he is but the deck is resilient. I have bounced back from counters to my big spells, getting my commander killed a few times and still won because the amount of mana I made doing silly burn spells into multiple combats into bigger burn spells. Eventually everyone will run out of ways to stop you or they will kill you.
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>>82322135
Wouldn't you just loop Archaeomancer with Deadeye Navigator like every other fag out there?
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>>82320488
I considered doing this but also getting all the cards signed. The real pain will be the Rush and Hoover drawn angels.
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>>82320639
>>82320488
gib tier 4 - 5, 2 or 3 players angels deck ideas pls angels anon
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>>82318578
Zurgo.Worldslayer
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Squirrel
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I have a friend who runs Extraplanar Lens and snow lands in every single deck. Is that cringe?
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>>82322792
It's fine. Removing it is a pretty big dent in ramp.
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Does Mindbreak Trap check if your opponents IN TOTAL have collectively cast 3+ spells this turn, or is it if any opponent has cast 3+ spells individually? I'm assuming the latter, but wanted to confirm.
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>>82322979
its the former actually
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>>82321561
>My name is Dave
Spooky
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>>82322979
Yes, it's the latter. If it were the former, it would say "If your opponents"
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how jewish is your lgs? Mine takes 40% of whatever you trade in and has the audacity to upmark their shit 20-30% of whatever the median price is on tcg
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>>82323173
That's how literally every store that buys things from customers operates. Game stores, video games, pawn shops, car lots.
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>>82323173
My lgs offers 50% MSRP when buying and sells at MSRP. This falls in line with pretty much every store in the area. They're not jewey at all selling sealed. I don't buy sealed but they do things like take additional percentages off each prerelease pack after the first until you get a free one and selling package deals that include free product.
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Why is EDH the best format?
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>>82323503
4v4 format takes off the competitive edge allowing a wider range of playstyles.
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>>82323503
because it's not magic, duh.
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>>82318268
A man is being transmuted into strawberry jam.
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>>82322196
thanks for the input, will start checking him out more seriously because that seems to fit what i want perfectly
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>>82323173
Considering Face to face exist in my city and everything else is still Somehow equally as shit at giving me good deals as Face to face, I might as well b living in a shit hole.
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If a creature is enchanted with multiple Totem Armor spells, do they all get removed at the same time or just one per destruction?
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>>82323766
you probably choose one replacement effect to apply
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mono R
grixis
bant
jund
which of these decklists I have been sitting on for a while do I build?
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Thoughts on my wife?
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>>82323926
Grixis, Bant, Jund and Mono R in that order.
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>>82323945
Literal emasculation of my boy. Go die in a ditch maro.
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>>82323677
>Manaform Hellkite still at 200% median price even after accounting for the conversion to Canadian pesos
tabarnak Jeux Face à Face
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How good is she really? In Wilhelt she seems like a slam dunk since she can turn decayed zombies into regular ones
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>>82323945
Never ceases to amaze me how WotC can't get the artists they hire to draw the characters consistently. If it wasn't for the dress, it'd be impossible to know that was Olivia. The art is still really damn good, but that's a regular fail among many mtg characters
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>>82322979
>one of the best cards ever printed
>a single printing from over a decade ago and at mythic
sasuga wotc
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>>82324008
She's better for playing big guys and turning them into many smaller ones. Aiming for critical mass. Wilhelt, I've never seen the deck, but I'd wager he's better to set up an early sac engine. Guess it all depends on your plan.
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>>82324035
>one of the best cards ever printed
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>>82322158
Nice! Unusual Archetype for this color on an rarely seen Commander, also not 99% Staples. Really like it
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>>82324008
>in Wilhelt
Then you have access to blue, which means Intruder Alarm, which goes with Phyrexian Altar and any lord (or even Coat of Arms) to get infinite ETB/LTB triggers off of her ability. Or just an arbitrarily large number of zombies.
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I'm I in for a good time?
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>>82324080
See, I'm trying to stay entirely zombie flavored. Phyrexian Altar is fine but Intruder Alarm isn't making the flavor cut
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>>82324059
I mean it’s the only good trap card in the game and I’m still very upset they won’t make more even after 2 return to Zendikar sets and even DnD
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>friend has been playing niv miz for a decade
>updates to the new one
>it’s the most cancerous casual deck I’ve played against since leovold
I have some idea of how to deal with him but how the hell is a deck that’s not expecting to play against this supposed to even have a chance?
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>>82324158
nevermore goes in every deck
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>>82324096
>A Phyrexian device is fine, but a different Phyrexian device isn't
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Thoughts on my bro?
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>>82324202
Your bro is also my bro. Does that make us bros?
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>>82324202
A fine bro and a good addiction to most zombie decks.
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>>82324158
What colors do you normally play? I too have a niv problem. I personally just play clones or land hate all of 1 color from the niv player. 3 blue 3 red is a tall order when you kill 2 of one of the they have less of
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>>82324158
>6 colored pips
You have at least 5 turns to find / mull for your Eidolon of Rhetoric, kill him at instant speed, or just bounce the spell.
Longer if they try to cast him AND a curiosity effect. I understand the uncounterable is annoying but what can you do
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>>82324158
>R
Pyroblast, Red Elemental Blast, Chaos Warp and worse case scenario 2 for 1 bolting it
>U
Reality Shift, Resculpt, Fading Hope, Chain of Vapor or any other bounce spell. Consider Imprison in the Moon which basically hoses izzet because unless they have a counterspell or a bounce spell they lack enchantment removal.
>B
Doomblade and it's alternatives, Deadly Rollick, Toxic Deluge and its alternatives, Oubliette for aforementioned enchantment reasons
>G
Beast within and fight effects or just beating face and killing the izzet player before they can get to their commander. Alt, use kenriths transformation or any of the green transform spells like song of the dryads. Also, consider something like unstable obelisk because ya it costs 7 to kill but you can ramp to that in like 3 turns
>W
Swords, Path, Darksteel Mutation, etc.

play more removal lulW
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>>82324317
this nigga has never played against niv I see
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>>82324337
this nigga has never played removal I see
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>>82324073
Thanks anon:)
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>>82324366
>cast removal on Niv
>Niv player draws a card
>Niv player counters your removal
>Niv player draws a card
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>>82324298
Whining to us about this won't make white "better". Go play white in other formats where it's a powerhouse.
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>>82323173
they do like 50 or 60% and price most singles by ebay listings. not bad at all; one of the guys laughed about the other store offering a kid less for his pokemon cards as a whole than he gave the kid for one card
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>>82324404
>41 dollaredoos
mh2 was a mistake and so was modern
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>>82324148
Zombies are played-out. 1-shot commander damage with exile mill and graveyard hate is kino
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>>82324386
>Let player get to UUURRR plus mana for counterspell
Sounds like you need to remove their mana rocks and counter their spells. Alternatively, you could also play stax or land destruction. Play removal ;^)
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>>82324420
And so was not expanding the reserve list. Just imagine if all the fetchlands were in it. Magic would be much better without poors crying about luxurious cardboard.
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>>82324441
>plus mana for counterspell
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>>82324420
>set needs a reprint as soon it comes out
does wizards really?
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>>82324459
>And so was not expanding the reserve list. Just imagine if all the fetchlands were in it
would unironically make the game better desu and modern would be finally playable
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>>82324439
Took the words right outta my mouth. Umbris still looks like shit, sadly.
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>>82324459
You have to make your bait at least a little less obvious.
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>>82324439
>etbdt
>kino
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>>82324477
listen buddy its been a slow day and I have a quota to meet
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>>82324473
does anyone have that one scp entry with this pic?
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>>82324486
They can't require you to work on Thanksgiving, can they?
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>>82324480
>do anything at all
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>>82324463
ok and? just have the blue player counterspell that, or the white player get a stax piece on board, or let the green player beat face lol. play removal :^)
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>>82324508
Use the image search to google it.
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>>82324516
>all of which draw the Niv player more cards, and thus more responses
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>>82324509
>he doesnt know
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how do you build her in a way that isn’t solitaire?
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>>82324508
Wait, that's an scp?
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>>82324561
You don't. She directly discourages running interaction of your own other than things that protect your combo.
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>>82324561
>commander is basic bitch izzet spellslinger/storm
>hurr durr how do I build her?!?
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What are some jank decks that don't play the same every game?
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>>82324541
so the niv mizzet player you play against always happens to draw, in order, fierce guardianship, force of will + blue card and always has mana to cast said cards? And your playgroup does nothing to stop them, no dranith magistrates, no silence, no vow of silence or rule of law, nothing? I think the simple answer here is that you play more removal + stax then ;^)
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>>82324464
I mean on the one hand, fetch lands have been at their most affordable in years

On the other hand, holy hell wotc can go suck a second hand corncob for printing a 1 drop mythic pushed to the point it’s worth 100$
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>>82324441
>rrruuu
That’s painful easy though
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>>82324809
>he bought ze monke?
>ban eet
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>>82324284
I played gw cats, 5c goodstuff and mono blue
Cats won pretty easily i had a really good opener but 5c and blue are so dependent on instants and sauceries I just couldn’t come back once I was behind.
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>>82324630
I want to say arcanis combo rubiks cube but a lot of the time it just wins off mind over matter
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>>82324290
>fire design is so cancerous you have to search for draw hate every game or just lose
Hopefully they stop printing stuff like this
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>>82324822
It’s so fucking funny but also so fucking stupid. It’s gotta be on purpose how they made sure the jewelled lotus of a modern horizon based on something that would be east to meme on

Then again, wouldn’t be the first time monke has been FORBIDDEN’d
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>>82324317
>lulW
Zoomers really are this retarded
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>>82324863
they just need to drop the fire bullshit and start putting hate on literally every card for the next 3 sets until there is enough hate across the colors to effectively counteract all the bullshit
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>>82324883
Great game wotc
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>>82324480
Well that is a very good looking young man
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>>82324883
They did that for decades until like around the 2010’s because people got mad at being told to not play magic.
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>>82324512
>playing magic the gathering
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>>82324916
color hate needs to come back it was pure kino
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>>82324879
sheesh bro, you don't have to be so harsh man like no cap that kinda hurt my feelings bro like widepeepohardCOCK like it was actually kinda monkaS vro baka oh ya bro you see that new japanese star wars set called kamigawa or something? shit looks bussing frfr no cap
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>>82324158
Man, if only there was a way to put cancerous commanders into their owners' libraries...
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>>82324939
Didn't the rule change mean you can choose to put your commander back to the command zone against tuck effects?
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>>82324883
>and start putting hate on literally every card
Here's your hate card
t. Wizards
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>>82324964
Unban it
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>>82324962
BBT
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>>82324962
Yes
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>>82324927
I miss some of that too.

Funny enough, they kinda did a throwback to color hate in that one core set a few years ago that was nice. Also even funnier, one of the best new modern horizon cards was this fucking thing that just eats ass in the sideboard

Clearly the ability is there. They just don’t have the will and wanna Larp as MaRo/Mr people like free shit, right?
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>>82324964
>putting draw hate on a blue card
what the actual fuck were they thinking?
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>>82324977
the anatomy is fucked up and her left leg is way too short
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>>82324158
>how the hell is a deck that’s not expecting to play against this supposed to even have a chance?
Literally just have to kill the player. It sucks but that’s at Least that
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>>82324979
>fuck card draw
>but also we ride and die for blue and blue likes drawing cards
>hmm
>I GOT IT
>makes hullbreacher
>put it in a commander focused set.
>gets banned there anyway.
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Would he be decent in the 99 of a humans deck with a +1/+1 counter subtheme? I like him, but he may not curve out as well as I need him to.
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>>82325024
Pretty lackluster
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>>82324964
I suddenly don’t really hate this card too much
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>>82325024
>triggers based on combat damage to a player
>4 MV

Literally just use Rick LMAO
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>>82324964
>lol what if we just made another Notion Thief except took away the black pip so it can go in any blue deck and replaced the card draw with treasures so the blue player can have more mana for counterspells and combos?
>also, let's make a splashable 3-drop black card with flash that lets you control your opponents' searches and then YOU get the card after spending potentially 5+ minutes just looking through their deck
Like, would it have been so bad to give Hullbreacher and Agent 1 more colored pip or have "you may play this card as though it had flash if (condition is met/pay X)"?
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>>82321168
>Phage the Untouchable
>Not Possibility Storm
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>>82325024
not worth using without ukkima desu
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>>82324480
i used to wonder why old cartoons depicted niggers with big red lips
now i know why
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>>82324561
>Not solitaire
Can't do that for ya bud
I like her as an eggs deck.
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>>82318929
Bros....
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>>82324561
The design literally encourages you to just draw cards and use whatever happens impulsively. Solitaire is the go-to for this type of thing since it uses both.

....BUT.
If I had to give an answer, since it replaces the draw effect, I would find some way to copy Wheel spells, like, fifteen times on the stack, and use countermagic "drawn" to deal with instant-speed interaction between them.
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>>82319970
They can answer his answer, it changes nothing.
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>>82325794
A player could cast a board wipe, then cheat this way to scout for countermagic. When they see that their gameplan would not be interrupted, then they can play Intervention to save their stuff.
If they play both at once, they need to commit to their entire plan on the spot.

>>82324420
captcha related.
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>>82318326
Retarded hands typed this post
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>>82319931
He does, actually.
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Is casting Nevermore on an opponent's cancer commander a dick move or the absolute height of pragmatism?
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>>82325849
Wiping the board and wiping it while saving your stuff are two different game plans. In most cases, i would definitely let the board wipe go, but counter the intervention. They're two completely different plans, and i don't see how it helps 'scouting for countermagic'. Everyone will get the opportunity to answer his spells again.
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*dodges command tax*
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Commander for this feel?
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>>82319074
Is that a JoJo reference?
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>>82326005
>Akira-Cosplayer-mexicana-convierte-al-monstruoso-Tetsuo-en-una-waifu-cyberpunk-1
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>>82326018
Filename was so funny I didn't dare change it. Straight from Google
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>>82325944
I run both Nevermore and Null Chamber in my Dromoka goodstuff/enchantress pile. Real good. Decks that rely on their commanders to win are bad.
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>nevermore the urzafag
>it doesnt matter and he goes infinite t3
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>>82325996
>dodges command tax
>deals damage to the whole table
>takes an extra turn
>counters your response
>combos off
>wins and leaves
>refuses to elaborate
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>>82326066
>casts Rip Apart on your Nevermore
nothing personal
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>>82326082
How did they make such a based cutie flavorful commander?
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>>82326083
Nice.
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>>82325985
>They're two completely different plans
Exactly.
When you cast the wipe, the rest of the table acts without knowledge that you have Heroic Intervention in hand. They key problem with your scenario is that you're acting as if the rest of the table will always know that an Intervention is coming, but that's not a reasonable assumption. Besides that not being how the game is played, why would it be reasonable for the wiping-player to have one specific card in the game, but not for the wiping-player to be facing down three players with countermagic. In terms of how the rest of the table operates, for all they would know, they would need to act on the knowledge that a player is casting a wipe !!alone!! and act accordingly, while the wiping-player has a moment can prod their chances from the rest of the table.
If they act on this assumption, the wiping-player can hold up Heroic Intervention for some later turn if they decide their board isn't worth saving and would rather Veil of Summer instead.


TL;DR: The countermagic-players will act according to the board wipe because they don't know about the Intervention.
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New thread, migrate when you're done here.
>>82326115

You can thank this fag >>82326083 for it being made so early.
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>>82326107
>When you cast the wipe, the rest of the table acts without knowledge that you have Heroic Intervention in hand
Why should they have knowledge about a card that is in your hand? i'm not saying they should assume anything; they should know your cards only when they're cast.

>they would need to act on the knowledge that a player is casting a wipe !!alone!! and act accordingly
Exactly. Why would they act against something that is not cast yet? They can deal with the intervention-- or not, when it's cast.

>while the wiping-player has a moment can prod their chances from the rest of the table
If he assumes that they don't have counterspells based on not answering the wipe, that's his mistake. Some people care about board wipes, others don't. However, everyone cares about him keeping his board.
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>>82326300
>Why should they have knowledge about a card that is in your hand?
Yes. Exactly. They shouldn't. That's why I typed "withOUT knowledge." The table would only act as if the wipe was being cast and gauge accordingly.

>They can deal with the intervention-- or not, when it's cast.
The problem is that, in our hypothetical game with robots, they're not acting when it's cast - they're acting before the Intervention gets cast. That's the problem.

>If he assumes that they don't have counterspells based on not answering the wipe, that's his mistake
If you stop playing spells with the assumption that they'll get countered, you've effectively given the opponent a free turn.
But to bring that point back to our scenario, if a player casts a board wipe and it gets countered, they can use the Intervention later. I.E. when they have another board wipe in hand.
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>blow 4 lands with this, grenzo and the jilad stylus
I love land destruction
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>>82326471
>The table would only act as if the wipe was being cast and gauge accordingly
Yeah, they had the chance, and they didn't.

>they're acting before the Intervention gets cast
They're acting before AND after.

>If you stop playing spells with the assumption that they'll get countered, you've effectively given the opponent a free turn.
I didn't say you shouldn't play spells, i said he shouldn't assume anything.

>if a player casts a board wipe and it gets countered, they can use the Intervention later
and if a player has a counterspell in hand and dosn't care about the board wipe, he can fuck him up by countering after he plays intervention.
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>>82326005
Mutate decks, I guess.
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>>82321507
if you play the deck right and pace your value pieces right, by the time people realize you are a threat it will be too late. in the ideal world you arent putting all of your kill threat on the board at the same time.

it is like how frogs don't realize they are getting boiled alive on a stove top because the temperature slowly rises and they adjust.

torb group slug scales with every skill level desu. it counters cEDH infinite combos by causing damage on ability taps or infinite casts, but it also has plenty of hate for more casual decks.



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