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Thank you guys in the last thread for the info on good Battletech books to get started with.

I just finished painting my first mech. I couldn't decide how to paint it so I just said screw it and painted it in the same style as the one on the front of the Beginner Box.
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>>82317064
what's the base, texture paste?
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>>82317090
GW Armageddon Dust with some Seraphim Sepia in the recesses and then drybrushed with Ushabti Bone.
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I am a little confused here. Anon last thread said that the Grasshopper is far less available than the Black Knight or Guillitine. I thought all the 2750 rides where pretty much extinct in the Inner Sphere by the third Succ war. Is there anyway to know how rare any particular mech is? Also since Grasshopppers are super rare where should I stick them? I have one set to be Marik militia and the other Lyran Guards.
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>>82317064
Looks good. Could use more jeweling on the cockpit though.
Also check out megamek, its a bt simulator, so you can decide if you like a mech before buying it, learn the rules via practice and test out new tactics. Also sprites can be printed and used as proxies for mechs.
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>>82317102
>Looks good. Could use more jeweling on the cockpit though.

Thanks. I can't find the specific green I was looking for for the cockpit, so its not technically done, but close enough for now.
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>>82317041
Where is OP's image from? Steve Venters' original pictures did not have myomers, so this seems more lore-accurate.

Google image search gives nothing.
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>>82317064
You can also seek camo inspiration from the video games.
They change from title to title, so there's quite the variety.
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>>82317145
>pattern Davion
>red white and blue
what did they mean by this?
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>>82317099
Many were retconned to be either still around in small amounts of having limited production. For most part that can be explained by ComStar leaving them out from TR.3025 because they were the only ones with significant amounts of them and wanted to keep information about them out of the hands of other people, or them just being so rare they didn't bother including (as mentioned Grasshopper was rare enough that most warbooks didn't include it, so it stands to reason anything even rarer wouldn't make that cut). However there's a handful of mechs where that explanation doesn't work, as they were retconned to not just exist in small amounts but actually be relatively common (IIRC Kintaro is a major offender, as it was made into a common Fedsuns medium).

Post-retcon, Guillotine is almost certainly more common than Grasshopper, as it actually has small amounts of production in FWL while Grasshopper isn't produced by anybody in 3025. I'd still say Grasshopper is marginally more common than Black Knight, though, but both fall into the extremely rare category.

Tbh there's actually a bunch of mechs people often forget are supposed to be unicorns because they appeared in TRO3025 while some other mech that even pre-retcon were probably as rare didn't. Like it used to be a big deal that Wolf's Dragoons had a total of 4 Spiders spread across multiple regiments!
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>>82317145
Marik: Free Worlds Legionnaires
Liao: ??? (it does seem very "generically Capellan" but I can't think of a specific regiment that uses dark green with Liao green highlights)
Kurita: Ghost Regiments? (doesn't exactly match any specific one but has the same idea of white base with "tattoos" painted on, and 1st Ghost does have a dragon/scale pattern going from one leg to the torso)
>Davion: Davion Brigade of Guards
>Steiner: Lyran Guard, though the yellow details aren't part of the standard paint scheme

They're originally from MWO, which has mechs from up to Fedcom Civil War era, which makes the Marik and Kurita schemes kind of out of place in MW5, as the Ghosts Regiments were created in 3039 and FWL Legionnaires after the Andurien crisis shortly after that.

>>82317152
Davion Brigade of Guards has always been red, white, and blue. The original version has the entire mech painted like the French flag, while more modern depictions have them be mostly blue with thin red and white striped on the left side.
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>>82317099
There's been successive waves of retcons.

Old lore: Everything from the SLDF aside from what's in the TR for 3025 is dead.

CoomStar surprise edition: When the Com Guard are revealed, they have caches of 2750-vintage machines.

War of 3039 surprise edition: ComStar supplies the Dracs with a bunch of downgraded 2750 variants and maybe a battalion or so of SL tech machines by accident.

Retcon Wave 1: After they lost the rights to the designs from anime, the unseen were removed from art and RATs and the closest 2750 downgrades are used in their place. All the factories are destroyed but there's a reasonable supply of most designs kicking around.

Retcon wave 2, TR: 3039 edition: The number of SL designs still around is bumped up and factories for several are added in.

Grasshoppers are just rare. You can stick them wherever you like, just not in numbers if you want to be lore-friendly.
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>>82317127
OP here, but I can't remember where it's from. Might be some update of the old Omnimech Blueprints but it has a 2014 copyright date and I didn't find anything blueprint-related in the Sarna list of BT products.
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>>82317222
It should be noted that some SLDF design were added in earlier already. The Starslayer was introduced in the McCarron's Armored Cavalry scenario book. Though before 3039 any such mech would've been an extremely rare relic somebody managed to find in a centuries old cache.

>>82317223
I have a similar Battlemaster blueprint poster that came with a set of cardboard weapon and equipment reference tables (the same tables as in Techmanual). I've seen other similar sets of different tables listed for sale, so I assume they might come with a different poster.
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>>82317211
Then there's the MW4 colors.
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>>82317041
>>82317223
Man do I love this mech. Such a cool design.

>>82317291
The MW4 Lyran Parade is great. Just needs some checkers and it's perfect.
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>>82316046
>Post Clan invasion, replace the laser with ERPPC, LRM with MRM, and add C3S. Heat sinks are likely to stay the same, though some of the 3050s Drac unseen refits do actually use DHD. You can pretty much keep the same design around in Dark Age, but add Apollo FCS, replace armor with ballistic reinforced, and maybe replace C3S with the boosted version and ERPPC with HPPC. At that time you should definitely have DHS as well.
If you have a C3BS you don't need Apollo, while Apollo could be seen as a cheaper and less BV intensive alternative (with the cluster malus as a penalty instead). Also, you'd need an XL engine for all of that for sure.
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>>82317306
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>>82317291
>remember how much work it was in the army to winter camouflage our single vehicle with whitewash to the satisfaction of superiors
>decide to check out how much paint a single vehicle requires
>the British Army uses 30 litres of paint per vehicle as they go Army Brown
Jesus, I can understand why people like the Chaos Irregulars just leave their giant robots in their grey primer.
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>>82317627
So your saying my unpainted minis are canonically Chaos Irregulars?
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>>82317618
goddamnit mechcommander 3 when
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>>82317618
No bully, I just wanna drive around a cool mech.
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>>82317638
>primer, the choice of a cost-conscious merc unit
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>>82317653
is that a fucking Mad Cat III?
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>>82317715
Nah the III would be a medium, that is clearly a heavy.
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>>82317728
so it's a Quickscell Timber Wolf?
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>>82317757
Sure let's go with that, it's no Rakshasa for sure. I'd take a Catapult with glued on Cataphract arms tho.
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>>82317618
>"Got its attention, sir."
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>>82317618
kek
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>>82317618
>>82317829
>jaguar garrison unit has omnimechs
Whoever was running their logistics system should have been shot lol
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Can VTOLs mount any ordnance?
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So I've been using Solaris Skunk Werks recently and modifying some mechs.

Has anyone experience a glitch/odd occurance where your mech's B.V. takes a sudden dip for seemingly no reason?

For example, last night I was modifying a JVN-10A to make it a bit more offensively capable. I slapped in an XL Engine, then I used the new available tonnage to slap in a Streak-SRM2 and a Machine Gun. I came close to having the original BV, so It wouldn't affect my lists too much.

But then, as I was placing crits, the BV dropped by nearly 50 points? Any idea why that would happen? I mean, I'm not complaining that it's cheaper, I just want to be able to trust the BV that SSW gives me. Any ideas why this happens?
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>>82317937
You mean bombs? Yes, they can. Tac Ops, page 108.
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>>82318005
Better off asking on their discord.
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>>82318021
That is exactly what I wanted to know. Time to buy a lot of rocket pods. Ty.
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>>82318021
Can they mount them in MML? I've never seen the option.
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thoughts on the drac daishi knock-off?
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>>82318088
Points for trying, I like the Dracs and wish they were half the military threat they've always been treated as
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>>82318054
They can in Megamek: set "TacOps VTOL Special Attacks" in the Advanced Combat tab to on, and start bombing up.
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>>82317715
No, that's obviously theCAT-MAD btg statted some time ago.
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>>82318119
A4 homing. We Apache longbows nao.
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>>82318119
Nice.
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>>82318088
>We gibs you a new mech for the new era
>It's a 100 ton omni, but it doesn't even have a dual gauss config, never mind triple gauss
>Also an alley cat backstabber config without JJs.
>There's even a TSEMP Cannons variant!
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>>82318110
What do you mean? They're not actually threatening enough with their firepower, manpower or both?
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>Khorsakov's Cossacks hated Romano Liao because she used the Maskirovka to get revenge on them for failing to aid in the defense of Tikonov despite being chartered mercenaries and thus entitled to
>spend the next four decades hating Romano and then Sun-Tzu so much it gets them annihilated by CCAF forces
Dumb-dumbs should have just followed their charter, I guess.

What are some mercenaries you wish had gotten wiped out or, alternatively, you regret seeing wiped out?

I'm more surprised the Northwind Highlanders were giving an "A" rating after having a history of breaking major contracts to multiple Great Houses.

Are the Northwind Highlanders gone now after being absorbed into the Republic and the Republic dying?
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>>82317041

Like eating turkey.

>or brown algae sculpted into the shape of a turkey
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>>82318493
Not really, the DCMS hasn't been a threat since the 2nd Succession War. Their military was smaller their neighbors', their leadership was middling, and historically their firepower was middling too.

It's the fluff that messes them up. We're told they use light mechs to great effect strategically, operationally and even tactically, out maneuvering heavier opposition to destroy logistics and cut off enemy units in these daring assaults into enemy territory.
But then we're also told (and shown in novels) that they want to one-on-one their Panthers against heavy and assault mechs and honorably die for no military gain.

We're told Theodore's reforms are necessary because DCMS generals are too "rigid" to survive, but then the 4th Succession War atlas shows us Kurita generals constantly avoiding encirclement and destruction by staging appropriate or even clever strategic withdrawals from threatened worlds and then returning with additional troops to make numerous local counterattacks intended to pin enemy units in place.

The inconsistencies leave them incapable of much more than being a paper tiger enemy for the heroes to beat up on but one that can't actually win on its own, just exist for future heroisms .
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>>82317145

>Liao Pattern
>Is just Oriente

>Kurita Pattern
>Looks nice but cannot find that color combo existing in any of their units

>Not Pictured Rasalhague Pattern
>very nice but also does not exist.
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>>82318768
Where do you think Oriente picked it up?

Same thing as Draconis Marchers being obsessed with imitating Dracs.
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>>82318506

Oh man, the number of cool merc units wiped out during the Jihad is too high to count.

I'm particularly sad that Smithson's Chinese Bandits died because that means Wendall Puritan died as well.
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>>82317152
honhonhonhonhon
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>>82317152
Space Americans, m8

They killed tens of millions of people in the 4th Succession War to "save" them.
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>>82318565
>The inconsistencies leave them incapable of much more than being a paper tiger enemy for the heroes to beat up on but one that can't actually win on its own, just exist for future heroisms .
Yeah, but that's their narrative purpose.

They aren't supposed to be an actual threat, just the BT equivalent of the Orc horde for the PCs to butcher, loot, and level up on. They have to look threatening without being an actual threat.
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>>82318825
The Space americans are the ones around the earth, what became the republic of the spheres. They are Anglo-French-Spanish-Hindus.
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>>82318216
Are TSEMP cannons any good? Ive never seen them used, which isnt necessarily their fault since they only exist in the era everyone hates.
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>>82318857
>doesn't know there's literally a burger culture in the Suns
whatever helps you cope, anon. Your Triple-F contract has been canceled though.
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>>82318841
Exactly.
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>>82318768
House Dai Da Chi is the closest to it. I think they just wanted more definitive paint schemes for the non-FedCom, although the Dracs red/black and Marik Militias berry blast are pretty iconic enough they could have used those. Capellans is just...green but the warrior houses all have pretty good looking camos.
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>>82318865
They're not. They have too much chance of doing nothing.
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>>82318110
The Dracs just need a method to deploy the 10 billion panthers that stackpole implied they have.

Like tape them to the outside of a union or something.
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Were the Steel Vipers annihilated entirely or were their remnants absorbed by the Adders?
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>>82319023
>10 millions panther.
That's 3.3 awesomes worth.*Heavy Breathing*
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>>82319067

It's listed as an Absorption, but given how the Adders Operate it was probably more of an Annihilation. They bombed one of the nicer and mroe advanced Clan Cities, New Kent City, which had most of the remaining Vipers.

That said, Viper bloodnames seem to have survived, and the fate of a lot of units is pretty sketchy so who knows.
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Happy (American) Thanksgiving, /btg/
To celebrate today, how does your preferred faction act thankful and enjoy the holidays? My dracs are thankful that there never seem to be an end to the amount of F*dsuns around to kill
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>>82319023
Corwrainer Smith described the tactic of orbitally dropping Panther swarms in order to box in Davion mechs and kick them to death in his "When the People Fell" short story.
Truly a visionary of scifi.
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>>82319117
We celebrate with founding a new colony.
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>>82319139
And the end of prehistory.
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Is gauss highlander worth its price in introtech?
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>>82318877
every time I'm stomping around in MW5 and seeing triple F advertisements at cockpit-level I feel mocked and very hungry.
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>>82319281
Something about this question seems off.
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>>82319117
Dracs should be thankful theyre allowed to still be a faction. Theyve been invaded by FedSuns, Lyrans, FedCom, Smoke Jaguars, Nova Cats, Ghost Bears and probably someone else Im missing and lol Dragon endures.
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>>82319281
Where are you getting gauss ammo in introtech?
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>>82319281
>Gauss Highlander
>Introtech

Why are you even playing introtech at that point?
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>>82319569
HBS Battletech had it in 3025 and lied to a generation
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>>82318865
Not really, no. A lot of the time they'll do nothing. One time in several hundred they'll turn the enemy machine into target practice for you to remove the head on and salvage.

>>82319281
If you mean will the HGN-733 body things from TR 3025? Eh. It hasn't really got the ammo or throw weight to be a huge threat. 15-point hits at range can be decisive if you're dueling with a Warhammer or something but it's too slow to reliably out-range enemy 'Mechs. The TR 2750 designs don't tend to leverage the tech available very well so it's not a particularly meaningful upgrade over something like a BNC-3S. Even the -732b isn't going to be much more capable there despite it being an upgrade over the -732. I love the Highlander, don't get me wrong, it's just that it doesn't have that much ranged firepower. 35 damage max, probably 27 after cluster rolls, versus the BNC-3S' 30, or the PPC Annihilator's 40, or the Awesome's 30, isn't that much.

What it does do well is combine in lance formation with other things intended for ranged fire. You do not want to have to close in on a Highlander babysitting something like a Banshee-3S and a pair of Archers.

GRs are good but the Highlander only has one.

If you really want to ruin some introtech opposition's day look at something like the Devastator, Nightstar, Thunder Hawk or Pillager. Two of them changed the metric considerably.

If I was going to take a SLDF assault with Gauss Rifle(s) into 3025 it'd be the Nightstar. With 20 shots per GR you can safely spam them even at high TNs.
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>>82319569
>>82319489
Hey, some of us can take Highlander in introtech lore-wise. But I unironically think it's weak so that's why I'm asking.
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>>82319489
Isnt gauss ammo pretty much just a metal ball? Like, it a railgun, all the complicated things that send the projectile forward is placed in the gun, not the other way around like in normal cannons.
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>>82319489
Come on man. It's just a ferrous slug. We could cast them today if we had the dimensions.

It's not like trying to hand-craft Artemis ammo or NARC pods in that era.

The real problem would be keeping the GR functional, especially if it got damaged.
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>>82319646
>The real problem would be keeping the GR functional, especially if it got damaged.
Its just a coil of wire. The real problem would be capacitor and other stuff getting fucked.
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>>82319642

Remember this is Battletech, where putting big slabs of metal together to serve as an axe is considered highly advanced space magic.
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What's introtech?

I'm new.
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>>82319663
Weapons still have to be maintained. 3025 tech teams have no fucking idea how any of that shit works and could easily break it.
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>>82319625
>3/4/3 90 tonner with near max armour
>DHS
>Guass+LRM 20 for long range bracket
>3xML+SRM6 for short range bracket
>Artemis FCS

>"I unironically think it's weak"

You were right to seek a second opinion
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>>82319618
you could also buy an Atlas II on the market
for the price of a warshipif they were still around
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>>82319726
The first version of the game, and the simplest one, also known as 3025-28 for the troves, its basically anything in the third Sucesion war until the discovery of the memory core than gave the IS the double heats and other tech.
Prefered age for grogs to play, and the best to start to learn the ropes of the game too.
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>>82319726
Its introductory tech level without any advanced stuff.
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>>82319726
So Battletech's technology is divided into tech levels based on what's available. "Introtech" is the stuff available in the late succession wars, around 2900 through 3030 or so, and it's the lowest tech level anyone plays. It's really just basic stuff that can introduce players to the mechanics without overwhelming them with choices.

Most players play at a higher tech level. A lot of people prefer the Clan Invasion(3049-3060ish) because it gets you some more toys and such that we really enjoy, like Gauss Rifles, ER PPCs, double heat sinks, plus it provides space for the Clans, which are a separate faction with even more advanced technology.
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>>82319755
That price doesn't look right.
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>>82319753
It's like Atlas but poop and costs 400 bv2 more.
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>>82319778
Mechs in HBS' Battletech sell for 10% of their list price due to game-economic factors. It makes the game work, that's all.
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>>82318506
>I'm more surprised the Northwind Highlanders were giving an "A" rating after having a history of breaking major contracts to multiple Great Houses.
The NWH were co-founders of the MRBC and got preferential treatment based on their size and heritage. It's only one of several things that led to the TempTown revolts and destruction of the MRBC as a political entity in the Jihad.
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>>82319757
>>82319726
The caveat to introtech being that some SLDF mechs still exists in incredibly tiny numbers in 3025-28 so munchkins can justify bringing Advanced rules level tech that mostly invalidate the point of introtech.

Once you start throwing around guass rifles, ER lasers, and DHS you're just playing regular battletech
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>>82319800
283 mil is way more than 10% of an Atlas II's list price.
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>>82319810
Doesn't matter if they exist. You can't field lvl 2 tech in a lvl 1 game.
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>>82319826
Oh, the 283 mil is the Atlas II's list price in that game.

For reference, that's the absolutely unique SLDF Royal Atlas II you recover in the story from a Star League fort before blowing up everything else in it to keep it out of enemy hands. There's nothing else like it around, so it gets an absurdly inflated price because if you wanted you could probably sell it and just buy yourself a backwater planet.
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>>82319721
I've always laughed at this bit in Lethal Heritage where Phelan bigs up the Clans' tech using eproms as an example. For the record, my father was burning eproms with custom character sets in the 1980s with a Commodore 64 and an eprom burner the size of a pack of Marlboros.
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>>82319753
Amusing, because it's 3/5/3 and you're describing the Royal's loadout rather than the -732.

It's certainly not a shitpile but there are machines that can rival it even with intro tech.
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>>82319663
>Its just a coil of wire.

You might be able to MacGyver that shit up, but don't expect the tape and wire to hold out for more than one shot before it's back to the garage bench with the weapon.
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>>82319858
Would the Great Houses even allow you to stroll through their territory if they knew you had something like that without confiscating it, consequences be damned?
Would ComStar let that go anywhere but into their armory?
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>>82319782
I'd take a Highlander over an Atlas any almost any time. The Atlas is actually pretty trash against experienced players because it's only damage profile outside of 9 hexes is a piddly single LRM 20 which wouldn't be so bad if not for the fact that it's a 2/3/0 move. On papper The Atlas is scary AF but in practice you get battered by a hail of PPC and LRM fire while you trudge from your deployment zone to theirs.

The highlander packs almost the same amount of fire power but with less armour which seems like a downgrade on paper but in practice the Guass+LRM20 combo is VERY strong at introtech level and just strong in general. The guass is a powerful hole puncher that outranges almost every single mech you'll fight and the LRM-20+ArtyFCS provides the critseeking followup you need in spades. The only thing in 3025 The highlander is not going to bully at range in an Awesome which means you almost always start the match in an advantage state. The Atlas on the other hand almost always starts in a state of disadvantage and has to fight it's way uphill.
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>>82319973
You spend the whole game in the Periphery where the Taurian Concordat is the big man on campus, so...
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>>82319805
You're thinking the AMC, the MRBC was founded by Focht and chaired by reps from the Successor States. The Highlanders only gained a seat on the commission when the Eridani Light Horse joined the SLDF in the 3060s.
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>>82319978
>Guass+LRM20 combo is VERY strong at introtech level
Gauss isn't available in Introtech, neither is Artemis FCS.

No shit you bully introtech mechs with Star League Royal mechs. You can also beat up kindergartners as an adult
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>>82319997
You can also wander into the Inner Sphere proper when that business is settled, and I think ComStar would figure out sooner or later either way.
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>>82319978
>The Atlas is actually pretty trash against experienced players
I wouldn't play introtech if I was experienced.
>f not for the fact that it's a 2/3/0 move
It's 3/5 and i like to punch stuff!
>>82320014
Dracs have 732 and 732
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>>82320058
Introtech restrictions are technology level, not time period. You can't take double heat sinks or gauss rifles in Introtech games even if there were a few examples running around in 3025
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>>82320058
>Dracs have 732 and 732
They also have 732
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>>82320122
What about 732?
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>>82320122
Do they still have 732? Asking for a friend.
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>>82320058
>>82320122
>>82320131
>>82320134
I just checked and it turns out they're all out of 732, sorry everyone. Shipping shortages and all
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>>82320142
damn sleepy joe
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>>82320142
What about 733?
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>>82319757
>>82319759
>>82319774
>>82319810
Thank you.

Is introtech just weapons and equipment, or is it entire mechs? If so, could you use older/introtech mechs and their associated weapons in later on/higher tech level games, and if so how do they compare with the more "modern" (in relative terms) mechs?

My understanding is that some older mechs are more capable than newer ones because they include technology that was later lost, but does the setting ever get to a point where new mechs "catch up" to the older lost tech?
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>>82320014
>>82320058
Read the whole thread. Somebody wants to bring a guass highlander into an introtech game because it's technically area accurate despite not being introtech from a rules level.
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>>82319663
>Its just a coil of wire. The real problem would be capacitor and other stuff getting fucked.
>a coil of wire
That's an inductor, not a Gauss rail. Trust me. All you're doing is making a big electron cloud. You have to time the loops and reinforce the SHIT out of the rails to make even a basic coilgun work.

>capacitor
It's not just having a cap. The problem is that capacitors only dump a percentage of their charge at a rapidly decelerating rate, and take the inverse amount of time and power to recharge. Whenever power moves in them, it generates heat. If you push them past those limits, or repeatedly slam them with high-low charges, they can catch fire and/or explode. This is fine for most consumer electronics. Calculating how to daisy-chain high-farad caps for an extremely fast release without blowing them up, on the other hand, is a huge pain in the ass. The landing strobe lights on an F/A-18 only use about a farad of capacitance, and I've seen one of those blow an eight-inch hole in the tail when the caps went.

If you just try to MacGuyver up a gauss weapon and don;t know exactly what you're doing, you're going to make an EMP bomb by accident. Which is fun and all, but it's not what you want.
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>>82320079
I assumed it's just pre clans era.
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>>82320165
>Is introtech just weapons and equipment, or is it entire mechs
The restrictions that make up introtech are more on pieces of equipment, but that does lock out a lot of later mech designs that depend on the higher tech gear.

>Could you use older mechs in later games
Absolutely, people do this all the time. A mech from 3025 is heavily outclassed by similar tonnage from 3055, but it's still playable.

>does the setting ever get to a point where new mechs "catch up" to the older lost tech?
Yeah, around 3039, the Helm Memory Core is discovered. It basically serves as a rosetta stone to explain half-understood Star League systems, which lets the Inner Sphere quickly get back up to Star League tech, so you see old mechs revitalized with new refits and entire new mechs developed that can compete with them.
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>>82320165
>Is introtech just weapons and equipment, or is it entire mechs?
A variant is or is not IntroTech based on which tech it has. If you grab MegaMek, you can look up 'Mechs by the categories "intro" (IntroTech, the old "level 1"), "TW" (Total Warfare, AKA "tournament Level"), and "Advanced/Experimental". Alternately, go here: http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter - and select the "rules" tab, then click "introductory". There are several IntroTech-legal 'Mechs that are not part of the Succession Wars era.
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>>82320165
>Is introtech just weapons and equipment, or is it entire mechs?

Yes and also yes. Introtech equipment is any equipment that is Standard Rules Level for the early succession wars era (3025~). Any mech built entirely using introtech equipment can be considered introtech level so technically a mech built in 3100 could be considered introtech as long as it fits the equipment limitations an you dont care about era lore accuracy
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>>82320230
>A mech from 3025 is heavily outclassed by similar tonnage from 3055
Unless it's an awesome
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>>82320165
Here's a quick guide on what is introtech

>Mech Equipment
Standard Fusion Engines, Single Heat Sinks, Standard Gyros
>Energy Weapons
Small Laser
Medium Laser
Large Laser
PPC
>Ballistic Weapons
Machine Gun
AC2
AC5
AC10
AC20
>Missile Weapons
LRM5
LRM10
LRM15
LRM20
SRM2
SRM4
SRM6

If a weapon or piece of gear isn't on this list you can assume it's not introtech.
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>>82320302
what about flamer?
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>>82320308
fuck
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>>82320302
What about Blazer?
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>>82320230
>>82320241
>>82320259
>>82320302
Ok, that makes sense. I played a fuckle of 40K so the concept of forgotten technology and discovering long lost STCs is one I am familiar with.

So its possible to have mechs that are only really playable in later eras due to their reliance on more advanced tech, but any of the mechs that existed in earlier eras are playable in any era. I only have the beginner box and agoac boxes so it sounds like I'm golden there.
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>>82319117
As opposed to what (Insert Nation) Thanksgiving? It is an American holiday numbnuts.
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>>82320352
Yeah you should be good.

Just as one example, the Fafnir is an assault mech developed in the Civil War Era(3060s-3070s) that can't be used earlier, nor would there be any point to using it earlier because its whole purpose is to carry a pair of Heavy Gauss Rifles, which were introduced not long before the Fafnir was
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>>82320371
https://allthatsinteresting.com/thanksgiving-in-other-countries
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>>82320371
> Thanksgiving (French: Action de grâce) or Thanksgiving Day (French: Jour de l'Action de grâce), is an annual Canadian holiday, held on the second Monday in October, which celebrates the harvest and other blessings of the past year.[1] Outside of Canada it is sometimes called Canadian Thanksgiving to distinguish it from Thanksgiving in the United States, held in late November.

> Thanksgiving has been officially celebrated as an annual holiday in Canada since November 6, 1879.
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>>82320352
I wouldnt worry too much about models anyway. Most mechs are continually upgraded with new variants to keep up with advancing tech and unlike 40k you are expected to proxy variants as some mechs can have a dozen different loadouts.

If you do want to bring older mech though it works out mostly balanced thanks to BV and pilot skill. An older mech with a 2/2 pilot can be just as good if not better than a newer one with a 3/5 pilot
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>>82320390
A list of countries that have a feast day or holiday the same general time, and most aren't thanksgiving.
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>>82320390
>>82320371
Wait, canadians aren't americans?
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>>82320422
they are, they just don't know it yet...
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>>82320422
They arent even humans
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Ok, my next question refers to the "Minimum Movement" rule.

So a mech can move into the space directly in front of it even if it is light/heavy woods or rubble even if it only has a single MP available, but in order to do so that is the only movement it can make, and it is considered to have run instead of walked.

Does this rule just exist to make it so that mechs don't get stuck somewhere (like if it is surrounded by heavy forest hexes and somehow ends up with only a single MP per turn)?
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>>82319117
Taurians around the concordat are doing 21 gun salutes and eating big fuck off steaks. God bless the concordat, fuck the feddies.
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playing the Battletech game on Steam, it's pretty good.
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>>82320487
Yeah I like it too

gave my unit the ComStar logo and an all-white paint scheme
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>>82320511
I made Generical Merc Man
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>>82320487
>yep, that's me, you're probably wondering how i got into this mess
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>>82320453

The Canadians seem to have ended up in the Commonwealth, so this checks out with the working theory that Lyrans aren't really humans.
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>>82317099
Fuck that. Just play with what you want, for fucks sake. Ignore the autists and have fun with the game.
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>>82319129
Seeing as the guy invented the modern catgirl when not busy teaching dudes how to be superspies. Yes, he was a visionary.
Possibly the first Cordwainer Smith reference I have seen on 4chan as well.
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>>82320631
The autism is what I like.
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>>82320558
I made mine the daughter of Kristopher Kelly, and rebuilt Kelly's Kommandos to cleanse the Periphery
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>>82320339
Experimental
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>>82320651
No wonder you fit right there.
>>82317099
Grass is just avalible to everyone, but not more than one or two machine per battalion. Guillotines have some production in the FWL, so apart of comstar, the birbs have them in smol numbers and perhaps some Lyran or Capellan salvage. But yeah the retcons are confusing as fuck. Is a small wonder not an anon has made something like when and where are the mechs avalible too.
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>>82320558
"I am generic Merc Man and Arby's is my favourite Hamburger Joint."
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>>82320371
>It is an American holiday numbnuts.
That's why it's a stupid holiday. A stupid holiday that should be abolished to go with a stupid country that should be annihilated.
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>>82320798
cope clanner
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>>82320633
First instance was probably The Island of Dr. Moreau. A panther woman broke free from the operation table and eventually mauled the good doctor. The process of making animal persons in the Instrumentality is pretty much a reference to that story too.

But man, Cordwrainer sure wrote some weird shit.
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>>82320908
what in the ever-living-fuck is he holding
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>>82320978
looks like a composite sks
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>>82320978
Kel-tec trash.
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>>82320456
pretty much, yeah
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Lads, I love the idea of the MODs, Technical industrial mechs and the like, but how useful are they? At least, compared to tanks.
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>>82320798
Its nice living in a country where we live rent free in everyones heads. Seethe harder.
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Chance of box sets getting more prints to fight scalpers?
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>>82321084
That Diomede with a gauss rifle has slapped me around before.
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>>82321118
The little scorpion than could? Also the Kurita than designed that catapult should be shot.
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>>82321084
i havent used them in a game before, but a lot of them are short range with little armor or speed to get into range
they're dirt cheap BV wise though
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>>82320339
One of the rare group of weapons and equipment that's not introtech but technically available in the introtech era. Retractable blade is another one.
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>>82321147
The only problem with Katapult is having mg ammo in CT, you can just drop it
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>>82321118
>when you fail your PSR
At least the Catapult didn't explode after the fall.
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>>82321118
>Based Scorpion pilot
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Any of you nerds have a DA upgrade of the SHD-2Ht?
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>>82317041
ALERT
ALERT
https://twitter.com/mrtalida/status/1463885200425816070?s=21
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>>82317041
So where are the extra heatsinks and ammo supposed to fit?
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>>82321595
in the backpack
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>>82321595
Missile dimension holds all mysteries
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Scorpions, yay or nay?
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>>82321595
Considering the incredible short range of Btech missiles, the 200mm warheads are propelled by only a missile less than half a meter long, possible only 25 centimeters.

You could have all the missiles in the pods.
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>>82321628
sure
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Clan_Goliath_Scorpion
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>>82321669
Good fighters?
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>>82321413
Nice!
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>>82319973
>>82320025
Considering you're also flying around on one of the largest DropShips in the IS, with a one-of-a-kind docking collar system that lets you take multiple dropships with you on a jumpship trip, and at one point contained detailed enough SLDF records to mark out a hitherto unknown Outpost Castle in the deepest reaches of the Periphery, you can be sure that the Player company gets disappeared by either ComStar or one of the successors not long after the campaign is over.
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>>82321688
No, they are not really into aircraft. They are into looking for relics and marksmanship. Also minor in underwater combat
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>>82321328

How is this? Or do you want one with no engine swap? Kinda hard to upgrade this mech further with the standard engine.
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>>82321702
>one-of-a-kind docking collar system that lets you take multiple dropships with you on a jumpship trip,
It doesn't actually extend the amount of DropShips that can dock onto a ship, since that is still determined by the amount of collars (and KF booms) on a JumpShip. It also takes up two docking collars by itself.
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>>82321413
Intardesting. Somebody should rip the assets and integrate them into Megamek.
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>>82321668
And then you have things like the Arrow Longbow. Or the Sirocco, which (somehow) carries autocannon ammo in the rear legs. Stumpy missiles like the ones fired by the Invid boss units in Robotech would be the way to go, but in general you're better off not thinking about these things and just trusting in the missile dimension.
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>>82321743
The XL is in line with what other Shads do. Thanks anon.
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>>82321147
Look, kuritans fuck up A LOT but the Katapult is their crowning achievement.
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Was replaying HL2 and it got me thinking: CGL should do an April Fools sourcebook about an era where the Word of Blake won the Jihad and imposed a Blakean theocracy across the Inner Sphere.
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>>82320908
That is why I specified "Modern" catgirl as The Ballad of Lost C'Mell codifies modern catgirl tropes. Paul Linebarger's insights into the heart of man was keen.
Also,
>Cordwrainer
>Cordwrainer
is it really that hard to type Cordwainer?
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>>82321801
PPC in a catapult, without missilies, is a SIN.
REPENT KURITAN.
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How did they accomplish it?
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>>82321852
>is it really that hard to type Cordwainer?
YES
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>>82321864
>Look, kuritans fuck up A LOT but the Katapult is their crowning achievement.

How does this frame me as a Kuritan? Is reading comprehension that bad in your part of the galaxy?
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>>82321413
that's pretty cool
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>>82322043
Much better BA hunter (point of mech being redone) imho.
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>>82320558
OH NOES ANOTHER ORPHAN MECHWARRIOR...

how original
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>>82320908

It's weird, but I find it oddly compelling.

>Ever since mankind had gone through the Rediscovery of Man, bringing back governments, money, newspapers, national languages, sickness and occasional death, there had been the problem of the underpeople—people who were not human, but merely humanly shaped from the stock of Earth animals. They could speak, sing, read, write, work, love and die; but they were not covered by human law, which simply defined them as "homunculi" and gave them a legal status close to animals or robots. Real people from offworld were always called "hominids."

>Most of the underpeople did their jobs and accepted their half-slave status without question. Some became famous—C'mackintosh had been the first earth-being to manage a thousand-meter broad-jump under normal gravity. His picture was seen in a thousand worlds. His daughter, C'mell, was a girly girl, earning her living by welcoming human beings and hominids from the out-worlds and making them feel at home when they reached Earth. She had the privilege of working at Earthport, but she had the duty of working very hard for a living which did not pay well. Human beings and hominids had lived so long in an affluent society that they did not know what it meant to be poor. But the Lords of the Instrumentality had decreed that underpeople—derived from animal stock—should live under the economics of the Ancient World; they had to have their own kind of money to pay for their rooms, their food, their possessions and the education of their children. If they became bankrupt, they went to the Poorhouse, where they were killed painlessly by means of gas.

>It was evident that humanity, having settled all of its own basic problems, was not quite ready to let Earth animals, no matter how much they might be changed, assume a full equality with man.

- Cordwainder Smith "The Ballad of Lost C'Mell"

A lot of his stories are online, I thoroughly recommend tracking them down.
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>>82322055
>>82321774
>>82321695
>>82321413
anyone run this yet?
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In the years since the end of the Jihad why haven't the Ghost Bears rebuilt their fallen galaxies (Delta, Xi, Omicron, Pi, Sigma, Zeta)?

I thought the slow build up was supposed to be their shtick.

Or you think they're pulling a "Hidden Lion" program like the Capellans and they're going to pull mechs and sibkos out of hiding when threatened?
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>>82322096
Was that why it was designed?
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>>82321124
That's rough buddy.
>>82321190
Yeah, but in currency, they aren't that much cheaper than true mechs (wich I never understood, weren't Fusion engines difficult/expensive?).
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>>82322101

If you've actually played Tabletop Battletech, tons of Orphan mechwarriors shouldn't surprise you at all.

Hell, if you pilot a Crud you basically should prepare your kids for life as Dispossessed Orphans
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>>82321763
He's not wrong tho. It is unique (I think) to be able to dock to a jumpship with another dropship attached. It's also incredibly useful to be able to dock more than once for the kind of exploration ship the Argo was supposed to be. Allows for rescue ops and faster cargo transfer.
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>>82320302
I think you missed hatchet, too. It may not have always been introtech but it is in the basic construction rules in AGoAC.
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>>82320187
i love it when people who know their shit come to town.
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i want to try recreate this pilots story in megamek it sounds fun
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>>82322583
I love cats

literally the only reason I picked the Nova Cats and Smoke Jaguars to play. Love throwing cat sigils on my mechs.
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>>82321702
>Considering you're also flying around on one of the largest DropShips in the IS,
This isn't as big of a deal as you think. Boeing Interstellar still exists, produced the Argo and still produces Behemoths. The orbiting shipyards were never hit during any succession war. You can buy a new one right from the manufacturer.
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>>82321979
Most of the FRR units only had two battalions in them to begin with, before getting fucked up in the Jihad. The only new formation there that I recognise right off the bat is the 11st Rasalhague Bears, everything else was Kungsarme already as far as I can tell.

If you mean how did the faction that made bloody resistance to any and all occupiers for centuries on end their defining trait suddenly roll over and spread its cheeks, I refer you to Bear fiat.

>>82322164
They haven't needed to. Even in a diminished state they casually fuck up their neighbours when they fight.
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>>82322666

i think he meant how they got the kungsarme to go full clan for them, satan
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>>82322101
he said verbatim
>generical merc man
the fuck were you expecting?
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>>82322712
A lost star league cache mostly.
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>>82321809
They did all of that except the theocracy.
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>>82322698
Hey kid. Come here. Wanna kill some Kuritans...
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>>82322157
Seems like it might be a fuck around to run. But I am certainly going to achive it.
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>>82320456
>Does this rule just exist to make it so that mechs don't get stuck somewhere
Yes
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How much of a prodcution have the clans? How easy can they replace they mechs?
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>>82322926
>How easy can they replace they mechs?
Fiat
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>>82322189
>>82322189
The mech I question? New book has fluff it was made to kill and lure elementals during tyukiad scared em so bad they didn't fuck with shads at all despite being only a few were made as such.
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Gentlemen, your small heavy arms manufacturing facility in the coreward periphery has been commissioned by a group of small but relatively well off independent states who have collectively gathered enough C-Bills to fund a battlemech R&D program to outfit their garrison worlds.

The stated project requirements are as follows.
>The design is preferably suitable for a variety of combat theatres to fulfil the needs of each investor nation.
>The design must be suitable for combating a variety of pirate threats and incursions from other small periphery powers
>The total cost per unit of the design must not exceed 3,000,000 C-Bills

Your designs will be reviewed by a joint procurement comity and the most suitable mech will be chosen to be put into production for the protection of the periphery.
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>>82323163
What are the theater needs?
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>>82322144
>It's weird, but I find it oddly compelling.

Then you hit on the story where a space overlord straps Rambo to a rocket and sets it to take off during an FTL jump to prove that humanity can go even faster. Rambo temporarily gains godlike powers from it and gets kinda whiny when he's sent back to his rural home planet after those have worn off, so said overlord drops him on Planet Reverse Rape to be molested for a while. That shuts him up.

The origin story of the Instrumentality is equally hilarious and basically comes down to the children of four german nazi sisters overcoming the psychic dominance of the Jews, leading to humanity finally breaking away from Earth and into the cosmos at large.

At some point later in history, humanity suffers a peaceful, but annoying invasion from Duckburg, but the Chinese save humanity by scaring them off by eating the flesh of one of the duck invaders that got roasted to perfection in an accident.

Later on, some sentient chickens express their ire towards humanity over FTL communications, so humanity turns a depressed dad into a giant robot, picks a psychotic loli and a suicidical socialite to become support spaceship AIs and slow boats the trio towards said giant chicken, telling them to teach those avians when they get there.
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>21 years old
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>>82323163
>must not exceed 3,000,000 C-Bills
Guess I'll take your money and run. Because you arn't getting any mechs with that budget.
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>>82323293
Thats more then enough for introtech brawler.
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>>82323207
The contractor is a multi-nation coalition spanning several worlds each with unique environment variations and climate extremes.

In short the answer to your question is "As many as you can realistically fulfil". The minimum requirement is a design capable of operation in ambient temperatures of 60C and movement in dense forest/marsh terrain

>>82323293
There a plenty of mech in the 30-40 that cost in the 3mill or less C-bill range. This is the periphery we're talking about, lower your standards.... No, lower than that.
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>>82323396
If you're doing an F-35 expy it should be infinite budget with a laundry list of mission requirements
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>>82323367
such as?
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>>82323436
Seems more like an F4 expy to me.
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>>82323396
Briefs like this make me wish for a Tech Base: Periphery option in MML. What year?
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>>82323552
3145
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>>82323396
The JK-57 "Jack" has one principle behind it - "Keep it simple, stupid"

Taking advantage of the new Double Heat Sinks available thanks to our suppliers in the Free Worlds League lets the Jack run twice the firepower of an older medium without cooking its pilot. The mech is equipped with a pair of LRM-10s, a pair of Medium Lasers, and a pair of flamers - all systems that will be available forever, and your techs can easily keep them running without all that fancy "Artemis" and "ER" crap they're turning out in the great houses. Jump Jets let it get over obstacles and around cities, and with its mixed armaments there's no mission the Jack can't handle. Two tons of reloads keep the missile launchers fed, and we've protected the ammo with that new "CASE" system you've heard so much about to keep the engine safe.

The Jack should be your premier mech for the 3060s and beyond, and at just under three million C-Bills fully loaded, we're taking orders now.
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>>82323293
Reposting this because I forgot to add 1.5 tons of equipment
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>>82323163
I take the Toro from the Helm core, endo skelly, and put in him Jumpjets and double heat. For weapons, perhaps a few version of ML/SRM boat, one with a large laser an MML with lrm and srm, and a long distance shooter with LRM and ERPPC.
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>>82323216
I mean planet snu-snu would most definitely be an acceptable consolation prize to losing omnipotence, not gonna lie
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Someday, I'll get a chance to play a Company vs. Star game. Got forces ready for it and all, just need willing opposition.

And to strip and repaint all this stuff.
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>>82323792
Forgot pic.

We've got a FedCom company, a Drac company, and a Clan Wolf star.
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>>82323803
That Drac company is going to get its shit pushed in by that Star if you have even vaguely accurate G/P values.
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>>82323921
Probably true, but the Drac company is meant to be a full-C3 force, which was my goal(though I had to compromise and use custom designs on the catapults and archer, while the Assassin is a stand in for a Daimyo)
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>>82321001
Clearly a bolt action, old chap. So it can't be an sks.
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>>82323803
Is that an Orion leading the wolf star?
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>>82324119
Yup, runs as an Orion IIC. The Star Captain got "gifted" it by a political rival, and he couldn't refuse Kerensky's own legacy, so now he's stuck with it.
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>>82322698
"Hey Bjorn, ve are also beink ze spess vikings!" is pretty much it. The FRR just started voting to unite with the Bears because they had Ragnar.

Note that they didn't do that when the Wolves had him, even though the Wolves treated them better than the Bears did.
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I swear this is the comfiest looking cat I've ever seen. And right chonker he is too.
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>>82324131
>>82324119
Orion IIC is a quasi totem mech for Wolf Clan.
>>82317041
Finally got the first part of my order in, which leaves me with a Jenner and a Panther unassigned. I picked up some 6mm hovercraft that could fit as Scimitars, so the obvious choice would be to start myself a Drac force with those, right? I know little about Dracs, what regiment would that small shit lance fits?
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>>82324416
r o u m d
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>>82324131
Fair enough my guy. Nice bit of fluff too just wasn't sure coulda been some jank summoner sclup.
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>>82323163
25 tons, 4/6 speed, 4.5 tons of armor, an ac/2 and a mrm/10, all of this for 1.2 mil c-bills

i could technically make this an omni for an additional 400k c-bills, but i have to undercut the competition
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>>82320558
A made a chivalric order.
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>>82323163
The Comanche is a 45 ton battlemech designed to bring firepower to the battlefield on the cheap. It is no "heavy scout" but a full fledged fire support platform at a fraction the cost of other mediums in the same role.

Utilising 13 FWL manufactured double heatsinks to manage heat the Comanche armed primarily with 2 large lasers and 2 LRM5 launchers for anti mech combat and 2 small laser paired with a flamer for softer targets the Comanche brings unmatched firepower for it's price point of just under 3 million C-Bills. This formidable arsenal and generous heat sinking capacity comes combined with 9.5 tons of standard armour making for a formidable battlemech with the durability and firepower of a mech nearly half again it's tonnage and cost.
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>>82320558
After trying and dying in three increased difficulty Ironman campaigns, forcing me back to zero each time, I noticed that I haven't actually beaten the campaign in a while - not since before the DLC came out. The rest of the time I was doing career mode.

Replaying it now as Mr. T, with the paintjob he uses for his custom van from the A-team.
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>>82324702
>i could technically make this an omni for an additional 400k c-bills, but i have to undercut the competition

Secure the contract, then start the upgrade upselling once they've committed the initial funds.
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>>82317099
>Grasshopper is far less available than the Black Knight or Guillitine
Sounds like bullshit to me. Grasshoppers are rare like Catapults are rare. Yes, they are rarer than a Thunderbolt that is still in production, but not rarer than star league vintage designs. Even if you're buying into TRO 3039 errata where star league designs never died but continued being produced through the succession wars in limited numbers (put in place because of the Unseen debacle leaving gaps in 3025 functionality).

Not to say it would be impossible to find guillotines or black knights, but those are going to be extremely old heirlooms, like the Age of War designs somehow still kicking around in militias in limited numbers during the 3rd succession war. If you see a Grasshopper in a 3025 force, it's a less common design but not a surprise in the least. No better or worse than a Catapult. Nothing in the original 3025 in it's stock configuration is that rare. A Star League mech on the other hand is something that makes you stand up and take notice. Even the shittiest mechs from TRO 2750 are unicorns by the 3rd succession war.
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>>82324807
Thomas, go to bed, knights are passe
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>>82324837
>3/5/3

lol
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>>82325104
Clearly some compromises where made
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>>82323574
>The Retainer is offered as a versatile quick-response battlemech suited for any combat theater.
>It is built on a 30 ton standard chassis with a 180 SFE capable of reaching 97.2 kph. 6 Jump Jets can propel it up to 180m in one leap, perfect for tactical maneuvering or negotiating rough or urban terrain. A Small Cockpit is utilized to save both weight and money while 10 DHS keep the 'mech cool. The 'mech is protected with 6 tons of Ferro-Fibrous armor, though if necessary it can be replaced with standard plate for a minor decrease in protection.
>It has 2 ER Medium lasers mounted centerline below the cockpit: extremely simple to aim and fire for an inexperienced pilot and with good range (Design Quirk: Accurate Weapon: ER Medium laser). It has a powerful first-strike capability through two RL 15s, one mounted in each side torso. To show marauding pirates and neighboring raiders you mean business, it has a 2 ton Hatchet carried on the right arm while a flamer is carried below the hand actuator on the left.
>Best of all, it costs only 2,580,890 C-Bills, a saving of over 400k per unit. Depending on the order size, designers offer to provide an option for a limited number of LFE-fitted Retainers for veteran mechwrriors, purchased with the savings. Upgrades could include better weapons or fitting a standard cockpit for longer, more dangerous operations.
>One of your technical advisors pulls you to the side. He notes that while the claim about the ER MLs being easy to aim is true, it would involve sacrifices to the weapon's cooling jackets (Design Quirk: Poor Cooling Jacket). That said, the additional heat load was within acceptable parameters. The real drawback was the small cockpit, which would make piloting the 'mech more difficult to operate in rough terrain. It was up to you whether this was a worthwhile trade-off.
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>>82325096
The romanticism is too deep in my soul to abandon chivalry!
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>>82324940
it is done

BEHOLD /BTG/, THE CHEAPEST PIECE OF OMNI-TRASH MONEY CAN BUY

>>82324837
i say swap the 2 small lasers for a second flamer to get you just under 3mil
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>>82325273
what a sad mech
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>>82325223
You and I had similar ideas
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>>82323803
Put some work into the Dracs.
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>>82325438
Looking good.
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>>82323163
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>>82323396
I have a 100k overrun but this is the first mech I've ever made
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>>82325357
Gotta have a hatchet for a periphery 'mech imho. Only reason I didn't go for a 35 tonner is cause I wanted 6/9/6. Maybe I shoulda just eaten the speed loss and upped the firepower.
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>>82325543
What's the DC and DA hit locations about?
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>>82325563
>I have a 100k overrun
Somebody get this hothead out of here.
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>>82325585
Il include free* service to the plasma rifles and move production into your territory if you consider this venture
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>>82325641
Can you provide a 10 year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty?
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What's the infrastructure and logistical situation for these shadowy Periphery investors? There's no point in me upselling them on advanced munitions and such if I have to put my own transports in harm's way to supply them. I'd be better off handing them a one-time upcharge for CASE or remote tech support.
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>>82325571
It has a shield.
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>>82325741
The contractor states are relatively well off for the most part and can afford to support any logistical chain within reason for a periphery power
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>>82325864

Just add 5 more tons and say it's a Vindicator refit
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Just threw this together to fill an odd patch.

>The ARC-3K model of the Archer is House Kurita's upgrade to their aging stable of 2K designs. The large lasers are upgraded to Extended Range models, while CASE is added to both side torsos to protect from ammunition explosions. The weight savings for this are provided via use of an Endo Steel chassis and by removing a small amount of armor. To manage the greatly increased heat curve, the heat sinks have been upgraded to double strength models.
>A subvariant exist, the ARC-3KC. Identical in almost every respect to the 3K, the 3KC strips a small amount of armor from the legs and rear to free up a ton of weight for a C3 Slave computer to be mounted.
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>>82326247
Works better if I include the sheet
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>>82326247
>To manage the greatly increased heat curve, the heat sinks have been upgraded to double strength models
completely unrealistic
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>>82326247
>House Kurita's upgrade
>the heat sinks have been upgraded to double strength models
Keep your AU out of here, bub.

Captcha: KKKRP
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>>82326268
>>82326344
Is Kurita hating DHSs a meme?
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>>82326369
They don't hate em just gave to areo and mechs have to suck it up. They legit have an erppc panther with 10 shs. Because HONOR. Or something.
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>>82326369
It's a fact.
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>>82326369
A bit, they mainly have lots of hot running machines, even with DHS.
>>82326382
> They legit have an erppc panther with 10 shs
13 anon, the same as the old 9R. Still bad of course.
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>>82323163
I gave it a sword. I dont care about how hatchets perform better, swords look cooler and are therefore much more marketable than hatchets. Youre average periphery mark is gonna look at a mech with a hatchet and a mech with a sword and go nuts over the sword every time.
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>>82326369
They upgrade mechs like theyre in a new run through of career mode in one of the games: they upgrade like one or two weapons and ignore everything else.
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https://bg.battletech.com/news/battletech-black-friday-sale-new-wave-2-items-restocks-warehouse-clean-out-and-more/
most packs getting restocked at midnight PST, including the comstar ones
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My Dragoon assault pack showed up. Apparently I accidentally ordered two. Cant be upset over 2 Annihilators. Definitely dont want 2 Rifleman tho.
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>>82326639
Congrats on your third Blackjack
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ive fixed the cost over run
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>>82326759
Drop the plasma for a LAC5 and dump the extra heat sinks so you can go to 35 tons, then give it a fancy marketing pitch like an Advanced Tactical Reaction Light mech
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>>82326877
idk the plasma seems alright for periphery work with all the vees everywhere
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>>82326949
investors eat this kind of shit up though
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>>82326952
we sell them two designs than
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>>82323216

>The fire had finished Schmeckst. Not a feather remained on him. And then the flash fire, because of the peculiar dryness of the bamboo and the paper and the thousands upon thousands of candles, had baked him.

>The television operator had an inspiration. He turned on the smell-control.

>Throughout the planet Earth, where people had gathered to watch this unexpected and singularly interesting tragedy, there swept a smell which mankind had forgotten. It was an essence of roast duck.

>Beyond all imagining, it was the most delicious smell that any human being had ever smelled. Millions upon millions of human mouths watered. Throughout the world people looked away from their sets to see if there were any Apicians in the neighborhood. Just as the Lords of the Instrumentality ordered the disgusting scene cut off, Calvin Dredd and the lady Ch'ao began eating the roast Apician, Schmeckst.

>Within twenty-four hours most of the Apicians on Earth had been served, some with cranberry sauce, others baked, some fried Southern style. The serious leaders of Earth dreaded the consequences of such uncivilized conduct. Even as they wiped their lips and asked for one more duck sandwich they felt that this behavior was difficult beyond all imagination.

The story with the greedy space-ducks ("From Gustible's Planet") is pretty short and tongue in cheek though.

And the German Nazi Sisters were shot into orbit in suspended animation at the end of WW2. One of them marries a guy, but anti-aging treatments don't work on her so when she gets old she calls down her younger sister and has him married to her. They repeat this. And I think they're fighting the psychic dominance of the Chinese not the Jews. And they have the help of sentient dogs. And there are still German hunter killer robots running around from some war, but nobody is particularly frightened of them.
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>>82327090
Tbh everyone pretty much designed the same mech with minor tweaks, so all we need to do is just pick a main one and then sell the others as upgrade kits they buy seperate, like DLC.
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>>82320010
No, the MRBC was founded in 3052 by the Dragoons, after Focht fessed up to how much ComStar had been manipulating things. All the major IS players had a seat, plus the Dragoons who administered it.

The Mercenary Review Board that preceded it was founded by Jerome Blake in the late 2700s.

>>82319755
That's about an order of magnitude or two too low for a WarShip.
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>>82325040
Go read TR 3039. The Flashman and Guillotine are in production, as is IIRC the Kintaro. Black Knights and Guillotines are less common than Marauders or Warhammers but a fuck ton more common than Grasshoppers.

Unless you mean vintage SL tech variants from TR 2750 rather than the introtech downgrades, you're flat out wrong and have been for over a decade.
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>>82326877
hows this
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>>82326548
>swords look cooler
They feel too basic.
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>>82323163
why bother with the competition when working with clan seafox will make your problems disappear all mech purchases have seafox made innersphere entertainment* included
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>>82327415
oops
>>82323163
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>>82327420
>only energy weapons
Not a real diamond shark export design.
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>>82326382
That's where they were *supposed* to be used but they're equally rare on Drac fighters. When they do show up they're often poorly used, with a fighter's HS complement upgraded to DHS with no thought to whether that's a good idea.

The Shilone gets 20 (40) DHS on a unit that only generates 23 heat.

What the actual shit.
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>>82327513
in truth i dont know them too well what would make it a ds design?
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>>82327539
If the mech uses ballistic or missile weapons, they need to have ammo to use them.
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>>82327552
more sales i get it
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>>82326247
>The weight savings for this are provided via use of an Endo Steel chassis and by removing a small amount of armor.

Don't say this. Say this:

> With the use of a lightweight but strong Endo Steel chassis and a full body armor refactor, the ARC-3K has been upgraded with CASE without sacrificing performance or adding extra weight. Your Mechwarrior and Mech are protected with a best in class defensive package that includes armor where you need it - not where you don't.

You gotta think like a greasy salesman if you want to secure those high end contracts. You never admit to removing features or making sacrifices on a product, you always spin it as if its an improvement.
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>>82327619
My goal was the unit description sections on Sarna rather than a sales pitch
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>>82327301
"Few of these Succession War veterans have survived to the present day" does not suggest that Black Knights are a fuckton more common than Grasshoppers. Which is the rarest of them all? It doesn't really matter you aren't going to bring more than one of either to the table for that time period anyway without somebody complaining.
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>>82325040
>Grasshoppers are rare like Catapults are rare
Catapults are rare, but nearly as rare as the 'Hopper. Grasshopper is rare enough that until it was included in TRO3025 most people didn't even know what it was because most warbooks didn't bother including it due to how rare it was.
Grasshopper is also one of the mechs in the AS combat manual company building rules is listed as extremely rare (which limits it to 1 per company), while Catapult isn't.
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>>82327702
Grasshoppers are so rare that hardly anyone knew what they were and warlocks got firmware upgrades following TR 3025's publication so they could recognise it.

The only reason the Grasshopper is so common on RATs is that it's popular OOC and because they had to take things like the Thunderbolt, Crusader, Archer, Osts, Rifleman and Marauder out. The Heavy weight class was disproportionately affected by the Unseen debacle because the overwhelming majority of them were lost.
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Catalyst restocked, they have almost all the packs up for IS and Clan along with the Comstar Battle Level II or w/e its called
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>>82327640
o i c
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>>82327888
Note that their "Black Friday Sale" means only that they have things actually FOR SALE. Not that they're actually giving any money off on literally anything on the webstore, the cheap fucks.
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>shit's already selling out
people are gonna be mad when they wake up tomorrow
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>>82328002
In reality, CGL and the Scalpers are one and the same. Think about how many more porches they can buy while not technically marking up prices
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>>82327874
>Grasshoppers are so rare that hardly anyone knew what they were and warlocks got firmware upgrades following TR 3025's publication so they could recognise it.
And that's mainly the difference between a rare mech that entered service 2780 and a now rare mech that entered service in 2578. Any recognition computer dating from the Star League is probably going to have the BK in it, but it doesn't mean people are running into them often. I'm not saying the Grasshopper is common, I am saying both are unicorns even with the 3039 retcons.
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>>82328020
Grasshoppers weren't produced in large numbers and the factory was only in operation for about sixty years.

The Black Knight was fielded in battalion strength by the SLDF and produced for almost 300 years.

Another anon has also posted that the 'Hopper has a trait that limits them to 1 per Company max while the Black Knight is unrestricted.
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>>82327888
Thanks for the heads up, finally got that kodiak to round out my GB binary
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>>82327738
>AS combat manual company building rules
where can i find these?
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>>82328132
In the AS combat manuals, which only Mercs and Kurita were made, because most people aren't interested in AS.
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>>82328132
In the Alpha Strike combat manuals (Mercs and Kurita, as those were the only ones that ever got published).
It basically comes down to giving you 12 points per company to spend on mechs that aren't part of the general or faction's own availability list. Mechs from a common enemy faction are 3 points and common ally faction 4 points, so a Drac company could have 4 salvaged Fedsuns mechs and the rest general availability or Drac-specific mechs. Once per company you can also take one mech from another availability list, including SLDF and after the Clan invasion Clans, but it's goign to eat up the majority of the points.
Duplicate mechs also normally cost a small amount of points to represent how SW-era mech companies tend to be cobbled together from whatever was at hand (if using the special lance types rules in Campaign Ops/AS rulebook, Dracs get a lance type that ignores that, letting them make companies with nothing but Panthers), and some mechs in the list included in the book are marked as being only able to be taken once per company.
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If you want the promo volcano tiles they're in stock. Good luck anons
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>>82324432

That's the power of decent shampoo and a blow-dry lad.
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>>82320187
>only a farad
>only
>a farad
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>>82328101
Do they have a european store? Could not find one. I am only missing the Striker Star for tasty IIC Clan Mechs.
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>>82328807
Dunno, the one i use is the store.catalystgamelabs one. last box i got was outta ATL, so i'd be surprised if they don't do euro shipping, might haveta use UPS though.
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>>82328921
I bit the bullet, since I couldnt find any offer outside Bongland which was horribly expensive as well due to poons. But I should get the Striker Star to be able to play Clan Jank mechs.
>At least if you are an Omni Supremacist.
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>>82328807
>>82328921
They ship to EU, but it's really expensive as shipping anything from US tends to be.
I did order the Tukayyid book from their store because you couldn't get it anywhere else, but if it's something you can get from a store in Europe I wouldn't bother with CGL's webstore. Especially as their delivery times are reportedly very long even when shipping in US.
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>>82327888
>Just orderd stuff because I can finally buy stuff online again
>probably just a bit too late
Never saw the Comstar Battle Level, that's a shame, I wanted that one.
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>>82328934
>>82328944
Bummer about the shipping, think CGL is kinda a mom & pop outfit kinda winging it when making and shipping merch. It is pretty pricey even in the US, plus last time it took about a week to even send my gear to the local PO
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New thread:
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>>82328984
>>82328984
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>>82328944
Yeah, but the bongs did not have it in stock and it was only 2 Euros cheaper. So I said, fuck it. I am a Masochist anyway, i periodically order from Ironwindsmetal as well if I cant get it in the EU.
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>>82328944
It really depends on what you get, I think the books or big boxes really up the shipping prices, but just a mechpack for example seems to go for mostly acceptable rates. But it's been a while.



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