Warhammer Art Edition>New Battleforce boxes:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/18/there-is-only-war-in-the-41st-millennium-these-battleforces-will-make-sure-youre-ready-for-it/>Game Balance Update.pdfhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/09/game-balance-is-at-the-heart-of-this-official-warhammer-40000-rules-update/>Downloads; Rules Errata, FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs>New /40kg/ Temporal Rules Mega:5BdySBCL#c-t83EQjF8ReLLNzjYvkJA>New 40k 9th rules backup Megan4UABLRZ#Vja1JkglfbohgYStbe6qHw>Old temporal megasrfJDSIYC#x2H3sLteMXwKAXsTSaCf7QcMUW2bZb#rIcfLldPsSy2mZZiKlN9hQ>40k Audiobook MegatEE13SBB#OPdnpBHImj2lMc5xLkRAmw>Tools to Improve Battlescribe Readability:https://buttscri.be/https://rweyrauch.github.io/PrettyScribe/Shit thread: >>82312457Thread Question: What are you doing for dinner?
How would you flesh out the Legion of the Damned as an actual army choice, like updating their special rules? They've always been cool but there's never been enough on them to really use them on the table.
>>82315799>TQVeggie stew and xian bing.
>>82315799>Thread Question: What are you doing for dinner?oh no you ain't getting me warned again niggareal thread question, what's your favourite subfaction of your faction, that you don't play>for me it's Word Bearers
>>82315848>oh no you ain't getting me warned again niggaWere you seriously warned for answering that?
Post Vulkan pattern.
How does a girl's armpits smells tastes like
>>82315863yeah mangofftopic apparentlyI've also been warned for answering a direct question about playing card quality before, same reason
>>82315871Salty. Also very bitter if she uses deodorant. Anyway, back to 40k. How do Sanguinius armpits taste like?
>>82315799>What are you doing for dinnerEating breakfast
Finally got around to reading The Infinite and the Divine and I'm loving it.>A reprieve for which Trazyn was grateful. The Heresy, after all, demanded his full attention. He even had plans to add a grand tableau of the Battle of Calth– Macragge was not far from Solemnace, giving him easy access to Ultramarines material– and perhaps even the confrontation aboard the Vengeful Spirit. Horus’ body was likely being venerated somewhere in the Eye of Terror, after all, and the Emperor was just sitting there on Terra. Seemed a waste, such a historic figure left to rot like that. Trazyn could do a far better job at preservation and restoration.
>>82315908YOU DON'T HAVE BREAKFAST FOR DINNER!What are you having for breakfast?
>>82312572is this hand sculpted or 3d printed? I'd like to know how to keep my lines straight and symmetrical if it's hand sculpted
>>82315799>TQ:Shakshouka, I know it's more of a breakfast think but I quite like it as a supper. On the food subject though does anyone think about cuisine as part of /your dudes/ fluff? I've been fluffing my Knights as being broadly culturally Bohemian, I figure that Grox would make an acceptable stand in for pork but I'm wondering what extant animals and plants survived the DAOT and beyond. We know horses are still more or less untouched but what if sheep and cows and or even wheat?
Bros I just found out that my cousin has a DTG printer that I can borrow for a day. Send me some good shirt worthy arts / design / memes please, would be helpful if it's a transparent PNG file
>>82315836>Fear>Fearless>Slow and Purposeful>Unyielding Spectres- All Legion of the Damned have 3+ invulnerable saves.>Aid Unlooked For- The unit cannot be joined by Independent Characters. They must start in Deep Strike Reserve, by can re-roll their Deep Strike Scatter (both the scatter dice and 2D6).>Flaming Projectiles- All ranged attacks by the squad have the Ignores Cover rule.>No servitors, scouts or conscripts, can’t take Grav-Cannons, or Grav-Guns (only the combi-grav on the sarge) and they don't benefit from Chapter Tactics, in a CAD with Vulkan but Master Craft any Meltas they might have.This is fine and doesn't really need updating.
>>823160252008, what? Totally normal.
>>82316027I would like some aw well.
>>82315799>Thread Question: What are you doing for dinner?Same thing I eat when watching 40k or bloodbowl content. Mozzarella meatball hotpocket.>>82315848>real thread question, what's your favourite subfaction of your faction, that you don't playBadmoonz flashgitz. Something about rich fancy orks that care more about flexing their accessories is funny to me.
>>82316071I biscuit would be nice.
Proper thread that is searchable and about 40K>>82316075 >>82316075>>82316075
>>82315970Here you go, anon.
>>82316078>Something about rich fancy orks that care more about flexing their accessories is funny to me.it's very reminiscent of that chav who blew through a major lottery win on whores and coke in like 3 years, yeah
>>82316116Anon, this thread is searchable like every other. What exactly are you putting in to not find this thread?
>>82315799>Thread Question: What are you doing for dinner?Going to eat some pasta and then go to my bank to ask some help for retrive some codes or shit like that.>>82315848>real thread question, what's your favourite subfaction of your faction, that you don't playRed Sunz orks and their kult of speed boyz. I love their vehicles, but especialy how wild you can make your orks look, if you aim for a biker gang of them.
where christmass box prices anounced yet?
>>82316078Knight player here, I like the idea of freeblades but haven't really found d a good place for the.
Do you consider strategems a core part of the game or just a nice little cherry on top? Getting into 40k I thought that they would be so intergral to some armies and the power level difference between using and not using them.
>>82317552it's a swiss army knife of rules, mendatory in most cases and when it's not it give you en edge you can't refuse
>>82316161It's got to have "40kg". You have "40,000"
>>82317759It's got 88.1849lbs that's 40kg
>>82316415GW printed them on the underside of my dick. You can lick-I mean LOOK if you want ;^)
Happy Thanksgiving you fucking wastoids.
>>82318380Happy Thanksgiving back Eastiod.
>>82318380this is second thanksgiving but happy day to you as well my large friend
AoSfag here, how shit are gobbo only armies in 40k?
>>82315870sorry my man but proonting is illegal
>>82315799>What are you doing for dinner?Probably make some rice and eat some left over butter chicken and garlic naan. I want to try more panjeet food but butter chicken is so damn good I never end up trying anything else
>>82318483based and poopilled, try chicken vindaloo
>>82318483Can't go wrong with butter chicken, do like me a lamb biryani though. Proper upper spire food that
>>82315799This thread feels so barren and boring why aren’t people posting here.
>>82318599because the previous thread is still up. Two of them, actually.
>>82318599Had a thread split as you do, the other one proved more popular but is reaching bump limit
>>82315836I would lock them into a specific detachment that was 0-1 HQ, 1-3 Troops, and give them a rule stating that they can be included in any Imperial Army without breaking any army benefits (like chapter tactics or regimental doctrines) with a CP cost/benefit of 0.They aren't supposed to be a full fledged army, they are supposed to be reinforcements that suddenly appear for reasons known only to them, usually but not always when an Imperial force is desperately fighting for survival, then just as suddenly they disappear.I would also release a plastic 10 man squad of Damned Legionnaires with some sort of captain type figure included in the box in a similar style to their previous resin sculpts. Also, I'd be very tempted to release a Ferrus Manus LotD model since it was heavily hinted in Master or Mankind that he was wrecking demon shit with them inside the warp after he was killed (something about a "giant with metal hands swinging a hammer" if I remember right).
>>82318451You could make a GRC army with the Red Gobbo, and maybe some Grot tanks but I have no idea how good it would really be.
>>82315870You mean Saturnine pattern? Wtf is Vulkan pattern?
>>82315848Subfaction:Uh… idk. I always play my favorite subfaction regardless of whether or not they suck. >MarinesSalamanders>CSMWord Bearers>NecronsMade My Own Dynasty>GuardKrieg>OrksHaven’t really decided - just started building the army. >NidsSee above. Probably make my own Hive Fleet though.
>>82318680here we go again
>>82318660A swarm of them with rokkit launchers might be fun. Kinda spendy though.Outside of that they don't really have options for high strength and no AP, so depending on the army you're fighting you'll probably have a difficult time killing anything.
>>82318680Vulkan made a custom version of the mark one terminator power armor.
>>82318727Okay? He may have done so but it does not make it Vulkan pattern. It’s clearly Sarurnine. He just made a special set of Saturnine armor. >>82318712?
I tried playing crusade today following the advice given here. And I think I am doing something wrong. I didn't expect a huge improvement over regular games, but I at least thought it would be fun. Specially as I fully expected to lose. The expiriance was more or less the same as regular games. Then I tried to find another opponent to play crusade and no one wanted to do it, when finaly one person said okey, they didn't let me roll on the tables what happened in the prior games. So I am really not getting how crusade is different from matched play, besides the extra relics etc Which for my factions don't really exist, because I don't play with a GW name chapter. Is there like an extra book or something that makes crusade games more fun, besides what is in the codex ?
>>82318773Saturnine pattern is a different pattern no one has ever seen but it's said to be similar to indomitus.The super heavy armour people call "saturnine" doesn't have any official name other than "variant" but it was supposedly created by Vulkan.
>>82318539Kek it’s what’s on my list to try next and even when I am determined to buy it the words >butter chicken combo with garlic naans please leave my mouth. >>82318567I’ve tried chicken and veg biryani with my butter chicken and it’s great, lamb sounds amazing
>>82318790That is factually wrong. It’s saturnine pattern. I have no idea what the fuck you’re going on about but I can read the room well enough to catch on that you’re probably someone who has been screaming about this and annoying people for some time. So believe whatever weird ass nonsense you want.
>>82318817no, lmao. It's a dumb misconception popularized by 3d proonters I guess. https://youtu.be/XB2fjqy3GVw?t=1362
>>82318817see >>82317053 and be quiet, lorelet
>TQSushi, we ate thanksgiving dinner last night
>>82318357Haha I'm not gonna do that, that would be so WEIRD haha
For melee poison weapons, does the poison characteristic overwrite the actual strength score of the model?For example if I had S4 Wracks fighting T3 GEQ would I be able to wound them on 3's? The poison ability says unmodified 4's are always successful but not that ONLY unmodified 4's are successful.I interpreted that if you have a strength value that would make wounding easier it's still valid.
>>82318451It'd be like trying to do an all-Gnoblar Ogre army. Virtually impossible to even do, would be a meme gimmick list even if you did.
>>82315880Mods are fags, what's new?
>>82318885TL;DW: It's not saturnine or Mk1 terminator armor.It was made by Vulkan around the Horus HeresyLonger explonation:Saturnine pattern does exist but it is contemporary and similiar to Indomitus and Tartaros functionally.The giant shoulder pauldroned one was something made by Vulkan and it is mentioned accompanied by a illustration in the Shattered legions book, an Iron Hands marine is invited onto a Salamanders transport where he sees these and are deliberately highlighted.A Salamanders marine then tells the Iron hand Vulkan made the suits.And like this anon here posted >>82317053 Gav Thorpe himself calls it Nocturne pattern.But it is just accurate to call it Vulkan pattern since Vulkan himself made the original suits.
>>82319012Nothing about the Poison rule stops a S4 model from still wounding a T3 model on a wound-roll of a 3. It's just adding the effect of 'If you roll this, you are automatically successful.'
>>82318784I think the idea for Crusade is that you slowly build up your force over time with a narrative. If you're not going to roleplay then yeah, it's just going to be another matched with extra steps.
I feel sorry for the Janny having to work on Thanksgiving. You should be with your family.
>>82316002>Flaming projectiles ignore coverThat's dumb, you still have to hit with the shot. The reason a flamer ignores cover is that it just sprays into every crack and crevice, still doesn't make sense for some covers but alright as a simplification.
>>82319053Flames don't ignore cover anymore though.
>>82319065That is robit, not ork
>>82319053Bit of an abstraction issue, when you shoot you're not necessarily rolling for each shot but rolling to represent a fusilade from your unit. I do think that for flaming, phosphor and so on weapons it should only ignore light cover where vision is obstructed rather than a wall of munitions resistant stuff though
>>82319082They do when I play.
>>82319082and this makes me unreasonably upset.
>>82315848My faction doesn't have subfactions, it has different paint schemes. Because Space Marines are apparently the only ones who deserve faction upgrade sprues and releases.
>>82319037>>82318885>>82318817>>82318790>>82318727>>82318680>>82315870there's close to nothing official beside them being a termie variantsold as "terminator armour variant" during rogue trader erathat's it, yall can stop debating about a stupid name
Can someone post the summary of the story section of octarius book 2 please?
>>82319082>>82319176Technically they’d ignore dense cover like forests, which makes sense
>>82319245this is the most vague, unintuitive rule I've ever seen jesus
>>82319245brace youself for S7 custo spam rendering any vehicle or monster obsoletemaybe the guy doing a 100% fire warriors tau army was right
>>82319257Summon the Cult is a codex rule like Bolter Discipline. d3 Acolytes, probably 3 Neophytes
Just got this lad, is the melta arm easy to replace with something different? Should I even bother?
>>82319257Did you bother reading the paragraph right below?>This calls upon reinforcements lurking in the shadows to restore them to fighting strength – in the case of Acolyte Hybrids, that’s D3 destroyed models from the unit.
>>82319283Just cut off the barrels and put whatever you want on there
>>82319283>Should I even bother?nha, multy melta is always good
>>82319284I did, which is why I don't understand why they're not written into the rule for each unit seeing as the number is likely different already depending on the datasheet.>>82319282bolter discipline works because it is universally the same across all unit types it applies to
>>82319268>S7 custo spam rendering any vehicle or monster obsoleteReal MBTs (Russ, New Primaris Gladiator TM, Land Raider) are T8. T7 models are just Rhinos in different colors
>>82319245>no information at all about GuardGuess I'll just keep playing KT.
>>82319244I'm calling it Vulkan pattern and you can't stop me.
>>82319268are you implying that a bunch of foot slogging custodes are going to march across the battlefield unimpededare you also implying this will be busted?
>>82319308No one can stop you from being wrong but you, anon.
>>82319290fuck, I was thinking of cutting the entire arm off. Looks like I'm retarded today, hope it's just the weather.
>>82319296Do you even play this army, does it affect you that you can't understand the rules?
>>82319252Orks and nids fight.Swarmerloard arrives too.
>>82315799Why is the Horus Heresy longer than fucking Game of Thrones holy fucking shit
>>82319324this is the reason why we have unfinished codices filled with holes, errors and unintended interactionshave a good day anon
haha okay this scaley week shit is something else - but seriously when do battleforces go up for sale
>>82319298>T7 models are just Rhinos in different colorsand monstersand walkersand most vehicles (all of them for most xenos)so yeah beside the ones you mentioned, the ironclad dread, and bjorn (maybe DG PCB i don't remember it's stats) there's a lot of shit impacted
>>82319334It'll cock up the ending just as hard don't you worry.
>>82319308fair point>>82319310they have bikes you know
>>82319337They're just previews, they often have shit wrong
>>82319345You want your custodes in melee with a -1D Redemptor with a D3+3 fist? Lmao alright then
>>82319320I mean it is not really wrong tho.It is just unnamed pattern of termie armor.Until GW comes out itself or some writer writes this shit into a book or a codex that has GW's stamp of approval, basically anything goes.But not Saturnine, since it does exists and different thing all together, it's Indomitus/Tartaros variant and is different thing to the giant thing we are debating about.
>>82319268*laughs in ramshackle*
>>82319375>gretchin only army might be metai kinda like it
>>82319375Too much shit has fucking ramshackle
>>82319356I don't remember seeing any reviews for vertus praetors or interceptor lances, do you?
>>82319395i'm ready to bet it will be the same
>>82319304Least we know the next 4 codexes for 40k.AOS literally only know about their next armybook, with nothing on the horizon til February probably.
>>82319375>>82319389DGs main thing is that they have armywide -1D, pretty neat huh.>Ok for Orks lets just give almost every unit the same thing, only that it doesnt work on S8 weapons, a drawback so small that it's almost meaningless.
>>82319409what's after tau?
>>82319413lol don't forget haemonculus covens just gets it as a "make-your-own coven" rulereminder that shit like talos and cronos aren't vehicles
>>82319409What are they?
>>82319414CSM considering the rumours have been 100% so far.
>>82319334Money, BL fanboys love getting reamed
>>82319413its another case of “orkz got one thing good in their codex, james please save me!”
>>82319413S8 is where the heavy-duty-smackers start. It does mean something to not work against power fists and thunder hammers.
>>82319389Most of their stuff is ramshackled in-lore, and its something Kans need when otherwise they are not that sturdy and prone to run off at sight of their own blood. If anything more stuff could use ramshackle, like Stompa.
>>82319426And Grotesques. Plus, it still matters for Wracks because their main save is a FnP save
>>82319432the rumors have been correct but interestingly there was no mention of the new Chaos codex, actually. It's only certain that there are going to be new CSM models dropping since January.
>>82319344What does "recaps" mean in this context?>>82319351I dunno man, it seems like a very good book series. I'm on Book 5 rn and I've enjoyed the slow detail it takes with every primarch. Its not like it feels slow, it paces itself well, its just...so fucking looooooong.As an originally fantasy fan it really annoys me that they went through this detail to tell the story of one of the many moments of note in one faction in 40K, yet the entire End Times of Fantasy just got a few novels and some short stories/armybook campaign narrations.Thats like telling the entire rise and fall of Rome in a couple books and then detailing the War of the Roses over the course of 30+ books. Its so disproportionate.
>>82319449Don't worry, Cruddace is confirmed to have worked on the 9e ork codex; which explains stuff like gretchin and runtherd being the way they are as Crud was very proud to point out how he buffed them going into 9e.
>>82319268T7 vehicles weren't a real deal for Custodes anyway, and more and more walkers/monsters are getting the -1 Damage treatment and are actually tougher now that spears lost the capacity to roll 3 Damage.
>>82319461yup, just wanted to point out that the vehicle exclusion is pretty much pointless since the heaviest shit in a covens army will be the pain engines
>>82319470very cooland good
>>82319467As any HH fan would tell you: it'll slowly decline in quality after a few more books (same with the game, gets bad enough that GW can't even remember the names of their own legions). Enjoy it while you can.
>>82319484Coven Raiders are SAID to exist, you know
>>82319334several trashy authors all competing to be the most shocking and surprising
>>82319409I couldn't care less. Just because someone else has a problem, that doesn't mean mine goes away. Knowing what the next 4 dexes are solves nothing. Those factions are still waiting in obscurity for an undisclosed amount of time (except custards, because even though they're no where near as bad as the others, they still needed an update first, I guess).
>>82319465are you suggesting they'll not release a codex for a whole bunch of new kits?
>>82319495I'll believe it when I see someone play one
>>82319367>>82319375This, Custard infantry get reck'd by walkers. Also I fully expect GW to fuck up and make the axes S9 instead of D3.
>>82319465>>82319432>>82319414The leaks claim there is no set order after the Tay codex, we could get Eldar or CSM first
>>82319475>I don't like that spears can roll for 1D>I don't like that spears can no longer roll for 3D
>>82319334it should have been 12 books for the HH, then 3 for the siege of terra.there's so many pointless books, yet we still no fuck all about some legions. its filled with so pure filler crap.
>>82319449>>82319451>>82319454It's fine if they put them on something like T7 or T8 vehicles. It's so you can't chip them down with D2 weapons, same as SM dreads.Putting Ramshackle on literally every vehicle though, including T5 shit like Deffkoptas ensures that whatever you put into them will be inefficient. Do you really want to blow limited S8 shots into them? Your only other option is to spam high S high ap 1d attacks.
>>82319526How is that gun floating?Is a pretty cool trick.
>>82319334Couldn't tell ya, after reading 2 of them I'm highly suspect of anyone that genuinely enjoys the series. They feel like they were made for edgy middle schoolers and are genuinely cringey
How dark should I paint my Purple armored CSM so they don't come off as Slannesh associated? Like how people don't associate Night Lords with Tzeentch despite both being associated with blue
>>82319531>reck'd by walkers.T5 Sentinel coming at you. Better watch out.
>>82319296>seeing as the number is likely different already depending on the datasheet.It's an army wide rule, gw is moving to clean up datasets so they aren't a mile long.
>>82319334Because you're not just sticking to the codexes dumb ass.
>>82319574>Mfw the emperor spent centuries in bio alchem to make warriors>He could have simply made sentinels troops
>>82319553And don't forget that a shitload of ork units are undercosted as fuck, the Kill Rig is especially an egregious example.
>>82318451All you got are killa kans bro.
>>82319558I mean, thats everything with Warhammer 40K, the grimdark gets pretty absurd.
>>82319559naggaroth knight doesn't look too slaaneshi, especially if its recesses are washed with nuln.only thing is if you paint it over black primer, its reaaaally dark. like purple tinted black
>>82319597I would gladly up the cost of the snigger rigger by 100pt if it meant boyz could be dropped back down a point
>>82319538I'd rather have a reliable D2 on the spear any day of the day, simply because stuff with -1 Damage can be handled by Dreadnoughts or Caladius anyway. But rolling 1s against fucking Firstborn Marines, Primaris or CSM (woops scratch this one!) was a pain. >>82319531>Also I fully expect GW to fuck up and make the axes S9 instead of D3.Fuck I never considered this possibility, but given the way they buffed the spear it could 100% be a thing.
>>82319615Damn that's a giant pot of paint.
>>82319597Most costs are fine, not undercosted, but what you said about Kill Rig is 100% true. It'll get nerfed after several months knowing GW.
>>82319537both deserve it. i just hope they do IG in the back half of 2022 as well.
>>82319614Having it drawn out into full length books amplifies it by a lot. I felt embarrassed for myself reading them
>>82319559Huh? As long as they aren't pink it's fine. I mean I know lots of people play ec with old colours purple and gold but as long as you use a different colour for the trim you should be fine.
1D2 + 1 for Custard Spears pls.
>>82319559Good do something like Kraken Lords, or sparse existing warbands for inspiration.
>>82319537>veteran-style Cadians>it's going to be a $70 shock troop box with an "official veteran upgrade sprue">new tank will just be a copy-pasted FW datasheet
>>82319622Tyler is a national treasure.
>>82319668Why do all chaos marines have those types of backpacks? Like the vents are at the end of some "arms" is there a lore reason or nah?
>>82319522Nahh, I mean there's no way to tell when we're getting the codex. They might as well release new kits that already have their datasheets like possessed etc first.
>>82319245Custodes are about to be even stronger, nice.
>>82319752Originally it was just them having older variants of power armor that had the longer vents on the backpacks.
>>82319752Then-new-prototype Anvillus pattern backpacks for improved maneuverability. Anvillus fell to the traitors early on, and Warmaster Horus made sure it was his legions the ones that got the newest prototypes earliest, while loyalists would have to keep the normal stuffIn real life, it was so that CSM would have a different outline from SM, and thus would be easier to distinguish from above and away
>>82319375>unaffected by the strength bump>ramshackle>high volume of 3 damage attacksEmperor's heckin golden boys getting skullfucked by grots, you love to see it.
>>82319334This is why the Beast Arises is better. It fucking ends.
>>82319752A recurring tidbit thought I don't know how well supported it is is that it allows them to carry more power cells presumably needed power patched up armour using less than ideal materials. Also posited is that it's a form of power pack for use in space/boarding actions and the vents give them more control. Real answer is because it gives them a different silhouette to loyalist marines and any lore justification is arbitrary
>>82319696Don't worry they'll have female nigress heads in the box so it will be an absolute win
>>82319783>>82319788>>82319803Aah, ok that does make sense.I do wonder if there's been any other deliberate powerpack patterns that are independent from marks of power armor.
>>82319245Embrace the pulse rifle.
>>82319913luv your models anon, those clean edge highlights always make me cum
Is it safe to sand the paint off a model?
>>82319941no, you'll end up sanding the plastic beneath it and won't be able to remove anything in the crevices anyways.
>>82319245>>82319913I wanted Pulse carbines to become 18" Assault 3, and Pulse blaster shotguns to become D2 at close range.Now they'll be D2 on a FUCKING STRATAGEM, mark my words.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/r1trv3/new_codex_dump/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf>Units: Guardians, Corsairs, Rangers, Striking Scorpions, Warp Spiders, Shining Spears & Wind Rider Fireblades>Vehicles: Vyper, Vyper "Diorama">Characters: Karandras, Asurmen, 4 "Heirarchs", Damanhalla (?)> Monsters: possibly 2 Avatars? (1 male, 1 female?)This really fit the "massive but incomplete" of the rumour list few months ago if its true.>inb4 redditYeah yeah.
>>82319913That's a nice firewarrior anon
Made some dudes to man the guns
>>82319975Is all that stuff good?? I don’t know shit about Eldar.
>>82319975>mommy avatarSTOP I CAN ONLY GET SO ERECT
>>82319975>Female Avatar You have my attention.
>>82320009Most of that stuff is older than your average poster and aged like vinegar (sculpt wise, aesthetically most of them are nice.)
>>82319972Yeah the carbine kinda sucks compared with the pulse rifle, just considering this information. I hope there are other things that'll make it better
>>82319975>no Dark Reapers>no Fire Dragons>no Swooping Hawks>no foot WarlockIt's nice, but I really would have preferred if they had prioritized replacing all the fineshit models first.
>>82319975Well damn, that does sound pretty neat.Does anyone have the full leak that says when this is potentially coming out?
>>82320052literally in this thread.>>82319537
AAAAAHH I need my fucking sisters initiates, I don't want to paint a gazillion basic shitsters to fill up the troops,
>>82320063Thanks, man.Didn't notice that.
>>82319975and I thought greentext "leaks" with no substantiation were badWe are literally just posting REDDIT THREADS now, IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE ANY EVIDENCE
>>82320088>We are literally just posting REDDIT THREADSsays a vtuber poster
>>82320030>>82320033That may be more for AoS (Daughters of Khaine)
>>82320088You don't post "leaks" because they have evidence. You post them to discuss if they were true and because when in a while we get official news people can remember the leak and verify if it was fake or not.
>>82320101Beat me to it, only people on this planet worse than trannies
>>82320088But those leaks have all been correct thus far.
>>82320088>vtube shitter complaining about plebbitHello pot, meet kettle.
>>82319257The best way to defeat a genestealer cultist is to cult his cult. You need to be careful though, because if the cultist cults your cult first, then your cult is cult'd.
>>82320115No they have not>>82320101>>82320120>>82320111cope>>82320105In that case its underwhelming because no Swooping Hawks nor Fire Dragons, I half expected them to hold back Dark Reapers and Maugan Ra for a potential vs box like Jain Zar and Howling Banshees had but leaving out Swooping Hawks is unfortunate
>>82320111Their is difference between a Redditor and a person who use Reddit.>>82320123I had a stroke ridding that.
>>82320102yeah pretty sure at the end of AoS 2, Morathi and Khaine fuse to become Morathi-Khaine. So maybe they want female Avatars of Khaine for DoK, that look more like Morathi.
>>82320003your work is nice anon, and i've seen your models before, but can you really sleep easy, with same stowage, samepose samecrew on your models?you're playing guard AND your models barely have any personality. to each their own but why do you do this?
>>82319257>>82319284Thats a really cool rule, they look fun to paint as well. How good is their start collecting? Odds it gets replaced with a combat patrol sooner rather than later?
>>82320123Mfw handholding a cultist's 3 hands when I'm ntr'int her away from her cult
>>82319537>IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE ANY EVIDENCEWe have this shit >>82319537So itself has fuck all evidence, but for what we know of this leak it is 100% possible.Since that leak has 100% accurate till now.
>>82319913crisp af as always anon>>82319972Pulse rifles have been bad in every single edition when compared to the pulse rifle. This kinda seems no different. Im not familiar enough to decide if an extra 6 inches is enough for range jokeying in 9th or not. Pulse rifles should have probably just became breacher guns, they look way cooler anyways. Or relegate them to a squad support weapon and bring back rules for their under-slug grenade launcher.
>>82320139>Their is differenceThere is a difference*>between a Redditor and a person who use Reddit.uses*>I had a stroke ridding thatreading*
Rate my sweaty list for a sweaty game this weekend.Dread Household: House Vextrix2x War Dog Moirax: 2x Lightning lock2x War Dog Moirax: 2x Lightning lock1x War Dog Moirax: 2x Lightning lock Be'lakorExalted Keeper of Secrets Exalted Lord of Change (tanky edition) 4x Nurglings3x Nurglings3x Nurglings 3x Plague Drones
>>82320176>Pulse rifles have been bad in every single edition when compared to the pulse rifle.?
>>82319268Maybe I was right, maybe not, but let's see more of these codexes before I crow victory, I think. We still don't know point values updates.
>>82320190He clearly meant pulse carabines
>>82320190lol Im dumb. pulse carbines* have been bad
>>82320168The Hammer and Bolter leak had at least something, namely being removed within minutes of being posted, and it very early on had a unguessable rule with the Black Templar Ap-1 Flamer that gave it a fuck ton of credit, also everything since has been correct so I 100% believe the Hammer and Bolter leak. But the Reddit thread on the Eldar subreddit is just someone writing a bunch of stuff with no substantiation, I'd be very surprised if this was real.
>>82320176This WAS the case for Bolt rifles vs Auto Bolt rifles in early 8th. It was swiftly changed for Auto bolt rifles to be assault 3 instead of assault 2. Why can't they do that here? Literally the same scenario
>>82320177I was referring to vtuber enjoyers not redditors. Reddit can be used by regular people, only utter degenerate losers enjoy vtubers
>>82320212This stuff has a lot of unguessable rules. It has the same amount of credit the Hammer and Bolter leak had in the weeks between it being leaked and the Black Templar preview starting.
>>82320195Bruh can you read
>>82320176>>82319972I feel like the weapons would be more comparable if they didnt also increase the range for the pulse rifle. 2 shots range 242 shots range 15 with ap-1But what about the burst cannon? Thats what I really care about.
>>82319975Sounds based but like every internet rumor I'll believe it when I see it.
>>82320191Is that Fire Warrior + Cadian?Like that way more than vanilla Fire Warriors.
>>82320214Cause burst cannons already exist probably. The pulse carbine has always been the awkward middle child. Burst cannons already have enough issues fitting into the army that is chock full of s5 weapons (pulse rifles and smart missile systems). but they also look rad as fuck so I want them to be good. And ciclic ion blasters are cringe (and dont even fucking come in the box).
>>82319975>new guardiansreplace the fucking resin for christ sake.
>>82320191I love the idea of making the breacher squads the auxiliary. Give the dangerous shit to the humans.
>>82320229>This stuff has a lot of unguessable rulesBut there is no showing of them being real like the flamer had.I agree it is still very early but you wouldn't have been smart to automaitcally believe the Hammer and Bolter leak when it came out either, only when stuff started showing would it become logical to believe more and more each time something lines up with it.The only thing will give this post is that it sounds odd enough for GW to do it, like giving a Swooping Hawk Hierarch but no updated swooping hawks which would be ridiculous.
>>82320234Moreover, Borkan Sept trait (+6" gun range) + pulse impulsor drone (+6") would mean (if unchanged ofc) that pulse rifles become 48" RF1...aka 2 AP- shots at 24", directly outclassing carbines
>>82320278>But there is no showing of them being real like the flamer had.Do you have brain damage
>>82320324>Do you have brain damageRead the rest of the post, and I already pointed out the Hammer and Bolter leak being deleted in minutes of being posted, which isn't much but its sure more than this new "leak" has
>>82320284Lol yeh, but can you put the drone in firewarrior squads yet? Last I looked that was for pathfinders only.
>>82320333So the answer is yes
>mfw i could bring a DA Talonmaster with the +1" charge aura>Mfw Ravenwing move +3" during the first turn>Mfw Ravenwing Black Knight's are 3A S5 AP-1 D2 on the charge>Mfw i could have a Talonmaster or Biker Canticle of hate chaplain to give them +1/+2" to charge range, to do a turn 1 charge at S5 AP-1 D2OR I COULD SIMPLY USE A HEAVY BOLTERWhat the fuck is the point of melee and bikes if shooting is immensely superior? Especially in an IGOUGO environment: if i can make most of my army shoot at most of the enemy's army, i literally just won already.
>>82320354And the question is >Am I retarded for automatically believing a reddit post?
>>82320261New plastic regular soldiers are the heart and sole of conversions though, so id be happy to have them. But your not wrong.
>>82320360Anon a leak that is verifiable the second it come out is by definition not a leak. Of course you take them with the right amount of salt but claiming that the Hammer and Bolter one was more trustworthy because it got confirmed after multiple weeks while this one is literally hours old is peak brain damage.
>>82320136Yes all the leaks have been accurate. The only things off have been easily explained. >Black Templar AncientClearly based on the picture throughout the codex of the converted ancient. >SeneshalClearly the Black Templar Marshal, labeled in directions as a SeneshalThe leaks have 100% been correct. Not sure why people want to pretend like they haven’t been. I cAnT bElIeVe there’s a Custodes vs. Genestealer box! Tau in early 2022? Plastic Darkstrider? Plastic Eldar? I can’t believe it!
>>82320387My claim is that the Hammer and Bolter leak was deleted minutes after being posted, which is odd if it was fake because why go through all that trouble to think and write so much only to delete it in minutes? That makes it like 5% likely to be real which is more than the Reddit one has, which is less than 1% imo. The common narrative is that the person who posted it posted too much that would make his contact/friend vulnerable to being found out by GW >>82320408see >>82320212 just because one happened to be correct doesn't mean the 99% you have forgotten by now were correct as well
>>82320359Obscuring terrain exists, you know.Not every game is a flat open field with no LoS blockers.
>>82320421Please stop, your stupidity is actively reducing the average intelligence of this general, and that's quite a feat.
>>82318784Crusade is something you do with friends, usually with some sort of narrative behind it. just trying to get randos at the lgs to play it with is an exercise in futility
>>82320359Have you tried playing the game?
>>82320435>Whirlwinds & Land Speeders increase in usefulnessNeat
>>82320462Yes. Lost when I tried turn one charges as BA, won when I tried maximum firepower as Admech. That's a trend.
>>82320359>playing a shooting army>crying that his melee isn't good
>>82320463>Whirlwinds and Land SpeedersWhen's the last time you played, anon?
>>82320466Kek. We have king midwit here.
>>82320466>plays against OP army>shooting is OP!Try playing against Guard or Tau, then come back and tell us how OP shooting is.
What's the last thing you painted, anon?
>>82320466To be fair BA is currently one of the worse chapters and AdMech is still overtuned braindead supremely shooty so that's not a very good comparion.
What’s this Hammer and Bolter leak that got deleted everyone is talking about?
>>82320483surely not a bunch of roided men with dick shaped haircuts
>>82320508The leak that's been posted in this thread and 80% of prior threads for months.
>>82320212>>82320229>>82320278>Hammer and Bolter you mean bolter and chainsword?
>>82320481>>plays against OP armyWhat? No, those were two different games, anon. First i was BA and lost. Then i was admech and won. I kept admech ranged and kept winning. With the firepower they have, it's really easy.BA have huge melee, yet winning isn't as easy as it is to shoot your way to the win with admech.
>>82319558i worry for people who read all of them, instead of just going 'hey, that one has a cool title and the synopsis sounds interesting, i'll give it a go'
>>82320519It's a tactical bowlcut.
>>82320483I did a bunch of battle damage
>>82320491BA is one of the best melee chapters, anon, and they are literally "SM + more stuff". Why would they be bad?I have also won with shooty Imperial Fists, who are objectively one of the worst space marine chapters, and ascertainably worse than the BA
>>82320527>plays OP army>shooting is OP!Try playing as Guard or Tau, then come back and tell us how OP shooting is.
Do people care about track guards when it comes to wysiwyg
>>82320550Because all their good stuff got gimped.Also it also depends heavily on the terrain you were playing on. Without pics or examples I can't really comment. It could be planet bowling ball for all I know, then of course shooting would be better.
>>82320550because there are better "SM + more stuff" factions with actually good rules like white scarsalso>I won with a shitty army so it must mean somebody is wrong here and it ain't me
>>82320560probably not. most people don't know and don't care about the intricacies of your codex unless they play the faction themselves.
>>82320550>Why would they be bad?Because they're not Custards or Dark Eldar.
>>82320470Eh DA and SM in general are good at everything, anon. But still melee is more of a hassle than just shooting something. Another example, an Inceptor does at range what a vanguard vet with an axe does in melee. The real comparison ends up being who can get a storm shield, which means the variable isn't damage. It's something else.
Post lewd eldar.
>>82320476I just like the classics. And i like whirlwinds.>His wrath falls from the heavens
>>82320591Everything I have would earn me a vacation.
>>82320483Some crew for and ammo for my Basilisks
>>82320591We are on the blue part of 4chan so no lewd but if you want to post some go to >>>/aco/
Ok this is sick
>>82320611You are correct. I does make me want to vomit.
>>82320611When the genestealer becomes the genetaker.
>>82320611yeah, looks pretty diseased...
>>82320611Good conversion, but pretty shitty idea just like chaos necronsI understand that it's a nod to ancient RT fluff but that isn't canon anymore. Still, guy in the middle is beautiful
>>82320611Chaos Genestealer Cults are so cool that GW just couldn't bring them back.
>>82320566>all their good stuff got gimped.Death company went from 1W to 2W. Net positive. I don't bring anything golden desu. Just red and black.>>82320571Very much so. What, i can only comment if i lose with WS melee instead of BA melee and also win with ranged IF?Imperial Fists are bad and i won with them. It is indeed an argument for the superiority of shooting.What's your argument to it not being so?
Anyone got a tier list?
>>82320653For what can you be specific.
>>82320653here>S+++ : faction with models you think are cool>B: anything else
>>82320587Unironically the Death company does good (for now) against custodes, as they wield some 5A thunder hammers that kill custodians on a single unsaved hit, and their W2 FnP6 bodies mean a lucky save wastes an entire attack. I did not believe in FNP 6 until i used death company. Now i do.
>>82320634>but that isn't canon anymorewhy should anyone give a fuck, it's a cool model
>>82320646Because winning once with a "bad shooting army" isn't an argument, there are a ton of factors that go into it like experience disparity between players, the terrain setup, what army your opponent brought, what your army list looks like.One game where you don't tell us any variables is not enough to justify "shoot good, melee bad"
>>82320483This meat wagon.
>>82320483Those look pretty good anon. Im glad to see you didnt mix warm and cold light sources like some fo the box art of late.
>>82320645>Chaos Genestealer Cults are so coolNever got the sentiment. That is just diluting the themes of both factions and making them worse. Doesn't create any interesting interplay like, say, DE Vorgani where its ambiguous who's fucking over who.>>82320669A lot of people think communist and female marines are cool models too.
>>82320359Wow you discovered that from a pure damage potential in a single turn of a single specific unit ranged is better. Congratulations anon. Must be the reason melee comes with a dozen other stuff attached.
>>82320671I'm the newer one, he made the board, against Tyranids, aka the one faction without vehicles, meaning my doctrine became useless. Against Dimachaerons and hive tyrants.Lost against him when using my BA, lost against him when using my BT (before codex), then won with Admech.I also won AdMech vs daemons, csm and csm again, and also IG vs CSM, but i don't count those because chaos sucks.As such i have lost 100% of my melee focused matches, and won 100% of my ranged focused matches.
>>82320483I've been slowly chipping at my converted dreadclaw lately. Not the last thing I FINISHED painting, but still. Also fuck painting vehicles this large by hand.
>>82320708Wait, what other stuff? Besides, there's more to it, otherwise Tau would win. But they suck. You think you know why?
>>82320723so your sample size is literally 4 games, all with different armies...
>>82320723>lost marines vs nids (one of most nid-favourable matchups)>won admech vs nids(one of least nid-favourable matchups)
>>82320747Dismissing 4 games against chaos, plus another 2 games where my army wasn't melee focused, plus another game against dark eldar, because that was against another person. Yes.How many games would you like so that you can he satisfied, then? A fucking hundred? One game a week would mean 700 weeks are needed, aka more than 2 years. 9th edition hasn't been out that long, anon.Say why don't you tell me about your games, since you seem to know so much about the nuances of melee vs ranged in 9th edition.
>>82320771Did you not read? I DEFEATED Tyranids sing Imperial fists, the literally worst chapter. You saying that means focusing on range allowed me to beat unfavourable odds.I really don't think that's what you mean lmao
>>82320690Thanks anon, I'm trying to work through and get my list finished some time soon.
Would the worst experience for a slaaneshi psyker be getting his balls stomped on by a Sister of Silence?
>>82320809The worst experience for a slaaneshi psyker is being shut in an empty room insulated from the warp.
>>82320725Should've done something similar, I glued a set of 3d printed claws right to the drop pod's 'doors' instead of gluing them to the fins. It looks like shit and now I have no idea how to make them appear more like they're mechanical parts and not just legs.
>>82320820Joke's on you, I'm into sensory deprivation
>>82320656Army tier list>>82320661I only run minis i like.
>>82320687Very edgy, I like it.
>>82320830>the void coomer
>>82320820I figured being near a SoS would by the all time worst experience for someone like that.
What works best on a Wraithknight in 9th?
Right so my local LGS put on Helsreach as some background noiseAnd christ its not very goodHow do people say this shit is good? The animation is worse than season 1 of The Clone Wars and its just too ambitious for its own goodBut its got me thinking, why does EVERYONE do 3d animation for 40k? Wheres the fan made 2d animation in a Gennedy Tarkovsky style?At least GW are attempting it somewhat with Hammer & Bolter
>>823208573d animation is cheaper and easier. Sadly.
>>82320535Nice work, Fires when?
>>82320825That's funny, I wish I'd glued mine to the doors because I think it makes the model too wide to store and transport properly.
>>82320857>Wheres the fan made 2d animation in a Gennedy Tarkovsky style?You only need to click to make 3d animations in full color. Meanwhile, a single photogram of 2D requires you to be a fucking artist, and you need thousands of them for a single episode.In color, or else it's shit.
>>82320857It's very good for being made by a single person, but yes compared to something like Astartes it's not great.It gets better as it goes on.
>>82320885Is Astartes really just one person? No way. It must be a GW team masquerading as a single person, to promote Warhammer + before it was announced.
>>82320270You can play it both ways - you can be cynical and say "breachers are the disposable meatshield" or you can highlight how humans are "better at these close combat roles". I'm might throw a bayonet on some of those guns, but I already did that with my older kitbashes so depends on how I feel about it.
>>82320895Both astartes and Helsreach were made by 1 person teams, yes.
>>82320910And Helsreach was done in SFM to boot.
>>82320786I'm sure a genius like yourself knows way more than anyone elseI'll leave you to your delusions
>>82320895No, because it's good - therefore it cannot be made by GW.
>triumph of saint katherine for $50 at LGS for black friday>random faction terrain like convergeance and noctilith crown for $30fucking hell my LGS is making me want to consoom
>>82320917This is your chance to say the correct answer then
>>82320918This 100% honestly.The guy who made the Astartes short series is now working for them.You can see his clear influence what is the grey knight trailers and the killteam trailer.
>>82320611guy on the left is grotesque in such a straightforwardly grossway that I love. he's like a practical effect out of a john carpenter movie
>>82320915But why, SFM has such a bad quality due to being on an engine made over a decade ago
>>82320957Just because he did.
>>82320935Protip. This is not reddit. Acting like a smartass here doesn't result in people climbing over each other to tell the right answer to get that sweet karma and Reddit gold. Here acting like that only result in people laughing at you for being wrong and calling you a moron.
>>82320970Can you fucking understand idioms are is this bait but then again I am assuming that the average 4chan user is smart then they think themselves to be.
>>82320929Nice. The only sale of GW stuff my LGS is doing for black friday is dominion boxes for 999 riksdaler which is about 110 Burgerbux.
>>82320881well, they should be attached to the doors like in the FW kit but it has a different set of doors after all. My 3d print is basically just the claw parts and they're glued to the normal drop pod without all the fancy FW stuff. Not my best idea, I mean it would probably do the job in a casual game but can't even bring myself to paint it.
>>82320988Are you suffering a stroke?
>>82321007I can't believe you had this saved for 3 years
>>82319326Not very helpful,someone else who can point me into the right direction?
>>82321023Perhaps fag or maybe I can’t understand a joke.
>>82320359Can't flip objectives with shooting.
>>82320997yeah, this same LGS has almost 12 boxes of dominion that they're trying to get rid ofI'm not sure on the price but they're all on the same table as the deep discount (75% off or more) stuff so I imagine it'd be pennies on the dollar
>>82321027Truth is eternal.
>>82319296Probably the army wide rule specifies things like timing and an entry in the datasheet specifies numbers returned. My guess is characters can summon the cult as well.
>>82321131Ah yes the floating gun that is also a ship.>Verification not required.
>>82321137It's like the A10 it isn't a plane with a gatling.It's a gatling with a plane attached.
Anyone painted Tau fire warriors recently? How are they to paint with or without sub-assemblies? I'm concerned with the gun getting in the way of their chest plate.
>>82321131Kinda looks like something the green gobbo would ride while fighting megarachnidman.
>>82321131looks like that one transformable mech from automata
>>82321186This guy did >>82319913
>>82321195Knowing that anything was pretty much possible in the dark age of technology I wouldn’t be surprised a lot of anime vehicles were made by bored humans that wanted to make their Japanese anime to be true.
>>82320738charge phase is also a movement phase and movement phase comes before shooting; if I shoot you off an objective no one holds it (unless I have some other way to move after shooting) but if I charge onto it and kill you in fight phase now I hold it the same turn.
>>82321186Eh, it's probably worth doing subassembly if you want to get the chest plate.
>>82320975I'm back from lunch. Shooting > melee still lol
>>82321186the chest not so much, but the thigh plates and left arm are sometimes hard to reach with the gun in the way, and visible enough that it's worth doing the right arm separately
>>82321007Alright this is revealing, unlike that other anon. Thanks m8
>>82321040Can flip the with shooting units, though. As in, Inceptors and Intercessors aren't melee. They are my main point capture units, plus terminators
>>82321131The fabled Ork sniper?
>>82321324Actually what is funny is Ork Snippers exist and are called Snippa.
>>82321251Thanks for the explanation, anon
>>82321251Just put the charge phase before the movement phase, duh.
I hope with pulse rifles getting a buff the plasma rifles are finally getting d2.Come to think of it, its literally insane the pathfinders are getting an upgrade sprue instead of the crisis suits. The weapons that are commander sprue only alone are enough to merit it. Could also finally add rail rifles as a weapon option.
Reminder that chaos marines are the sigma males of the meta, they exist outside it by choice.
>>82321442Plasma Rifles are most certainly going to D2
>>82321446>I choose to have half as wounds as my loyalist brethren does
>>82315958Pretty sure thats a 3d print of some PiperMakes crisis suits.
FINALLY, it's confirmed that the eldar are clueless about how the Tau came to be. This should kill the pesky theory that the eldar are behind the tau.
>>82321539Yeah that was dumb
>>82321539>all craftworlds are 100% aware of the others activitiesgr8 b8 m8
>>82321539What is this from?
>T'au guns are third-best only to Eldar and cronsImperium BTFO?
>>82321578Gladius. Got any requests for faction meets faction/defeat quotes?
>>82321582Guess the game doesn't know about admech guns and cawl's Primaris tech?
>>82321590SM meets/defeats sisters. Or whatever non SM human faction there is
>>82321594I'd really like to know how the developers of the 40k titles interact with the IP management department.
>>82321590>GladiusNot canon lol
Will it still give a 3++ if not what the fuck is the point?
>>82321594or Hiveguard :^)
>>82321539where does vidya fall in terms of canon hierarchy?below BL or between Codex/rulebooks and BL?
>>82320786>A fucking hundred? One game a week would mean 700 weeks are neededKek
>>82320848Can you specify like what army you play or somethingBecause I can tell you that a lot of high strength high AP multi damage will kill it but that's probably not the answer you are looking for
>>82321681Definitely below BL. The authors of the books are told what they're writing about, what the outcome is and are left to fill in the details (minus some mandated diversity, I'm sure). The vidya is conceptualized as a game first and then an acceptable narrative is placed over top of it.
>>82321464>mfw only managed to kill 2 infiltrators on the charge with 7 roided out warp talons>mfw the primaris just club down 5 of my CSM with their fists>mfw they almost the same in cost but one is literally dedicated to melee but the other only has guns
>>82321594Looks like the new codex is finally putting pulse rifles back on top with the ap and range boost. Only troops with better weapons are custodes and kataphrons.
>>82320483mixing manlet kits is my passion
>>82321656+1 to sabes means you save heavy bolters still on a 2+, and you save those D2 white scars chainsword's still on a 3+
>>82321606The Sisters haven't been added yet but they are going to add all the 40K codex factions at some point. They just added the Admech a few days ago as a DLC.Here is the marines reaction to hostile Imperial factions. Any other requests?
>>82321700Should have said 100 weeks = 700 days = 1.9 years lol
Are Sydonian Dragoons good? They look so cool.
>>82321748>that Guard text>that SM text>Traitors or notThat makes you the traitors, what the fuck, I'm dying over here.
>>82321723Deathwatch have an ammo option of +1D, and can all have combi weapons. Heavy Intercessor guns are all S5, and they all have the same flavors as normal Intercessors: rifle, Assault 3 and Heavy 1 D2.Not even mentioning Assault Hellblasters of 3 D2 shots per trooper.
>>82321035Boggles my mind people pay any kind of attention to these fags
>>82321803>won every single multi day event in the USWhy not?
>>82321789man fuck assault hellblasters, those things are AIDs in dark angels
>>82321778Is there anyway to outflank them?
>>82321035>Give me the shittier faction icons you have>No that's too shitty
>>82321007well yeah, mobility have always been strongand now the pace of the game isn't as slow as it used to be like in 4th, so wasing a turn to get out troops is a bother, making transports less worthso armies that have mobility by default are stronger
>>82321818you can put them into reserves, Lucius can deepstrike them for a CP or redeploy them with a teleport relicI think Stygies has an infiltrate but I don't know if it works
>>82321818You can pay CP to do it, but admech are already strained for CP
Confirmation that Imperial suffering is self inflicted.
>>82321815For one, these "tier lists" are judging factions based on a skilled WAACFAG player with unlimited funds to blow. Basically applicable to a few dozen people worldwide.It's worthless to say Nids are top tier when that requires you to play like an absolute cunt and abuse the most unfun tactics there are.
>>82321748Lmao. This only proves not even game makers can explain Imperium vs Imperium scenarios>IGThey better die at our hands than the xenos'>AMWe don't know why we fought. Lmao Onions vats>SMWe don't know why we fought, but now they're dead.
>>82321877They very clearly in the video lay out that they take into consideration the average layman There was a tier list video earlier before the admech/ork nerfs where one of the hosts got super salty because everyone was shitting on blood angels. And he kept seething about how he had a really good winrate with BAs despite the faction having like the worst winrate out of all reasonable marine chapters.
>>82321035Incorrect, GSC are S tier while everyone else is D tier.A true victory is to make your enemy see they were wrong to oppose you in the first place. To force them to acknowledge your greatness.
T'au cities are the best in the galaxy.
>>82321877>Basically applicable to a few dozen people worldwide.The only people who would care about a tier list are people who want to play comp centric games in the first place.
>>82321869>>82321916>Video game fluff not written by Nottingham studioNot canon.
>>82321877>2+3=5>No, only 12 people in the world have access to a 3!You are this fucking stupid.
>>82321881It was as easy as saying they are traitors for not submitting to your righteous goals and be done with it.
>>82321907>They very clearly in the video lay out that they take into consideration the average laymanThen, genuinely, they may have brain damage or have never interacted with people outside their waacfag bubble in years>>82321932The fuck are you even saying
>>82321730What helmet is that?
>>82321877>skilled>WAACFAGThese are two different things.
>>82321962Yes, and someone can be both.
>>82321916>Every other race stretched to their limits to survive, need to do horrible things and deprive themselves in order to squeeze out a few more resources.>Even Eldar, ESPECIALLY ELDAR>But Tau live in utopian opulence with absolutely zero consequences for their war effort, despite every empire ever that did this collapsing under the weight of maintaining it.Tau are bullshit Mary Stu cunts and nobody can ever convince me otherwise. Even their rebellious splinter group is somehow even MORE super nice and noble with zero consequences.
>>82321976Not really. The top lists are just repeated formulaic netlists.It's sad that the ITC made their old scoring system into the "Friendly" format because it was better at keeping the competitive scene fun.
>>82321539>third party mobile game that nobody plays is canonYikes. Oof. Cringe.
>>82321955>>The fuck are you even sayingWhat was hard to understand?Meta isn't "not meta" simply because you're too poor to afford to partake in it. Nor does it matter how many people can. 2+3 is 5, and nothing about the person doing the addition will ever make it 4, or 6, or any other number for that matter. Doesn't matter if they're rich, poor, black, white, young, or old.
>>82321877>with unlimited funds to blowthere's a reason borrowhammer exists
>>82321999In order for something to be a netlist someone has to put it on the internet in the first place.
>>82321681>canon hierarchyNo such thing in 40k. There's GW/FW/BL stuff and anything licensed is outside it. Sometimes is mined for the main continuity, or very close collaborations with the same authors like the TTRPGs, but videogames have usually been left out for now.
The T'au Empire is creating replicas of the Dawn Blade to arm their commanders. Melee T'au confirmed.
>>82321996>Tau are bullshit Mary Stu cunts and nobody can ever convince me otherwise. Even their rebellious splinter group is somehow even MORE super nice and noble with zero consequences.>gets rid of ((Ethereals))>civilization is goodWho would have thought
>>82321999Yes really.The top lists may be similar but there's a reason people also consistently win while others don't. You can be a waacfag with a netlist and be a shit player.
>>82322024And it isn't them. All of the top lists have been discussed ad nauseam and theorycrafted in public discord community long before they're ever played at a tournament.
>>82322039>there's a reason people also consistently win while others don't.Collusion and judge favorability.
>>82321942What if neither if us are traitors.What if i play SM vs Custodes...and DO win. The custodes were traitor lmao? I know I'm not traitor: because I say so, and it was the Emperor's will that i won.But then why did i fought and defeated the custodians? Training exercise?
>>82322050You could take the entire /40kg/ and have it theorycraft a single list for months and I doubt it would even place.
>>82322021Oh you're just such a screaming autist that the point flew completely over your head.It doesnt matter what a faction is like in a perfect vacuum, it's just like communism might technically work in theory. In practice however it falls to shit, just like calling a faction good because of very specific lists that cunts play. This is not math, it's a fucking tier list. Extremely qualitative, and in this case from a really shit perspective
>>82322038But that's the thing, almost every lore snippet says that life under the Ethereals is also really nice. Only a couple things even hint that there is anything sinister going on and even then it's like "Well, that's fine for them but I prefer not being ruled by them"
>>82322068You couldn't have been in the right, for the Custodes are the voice of the Emperor.
>>82322050>And it isn't them.>what is the Metallica Veteran Cohort list>what is 9-man Crisis Bomb and Remoras>what is double Dimacherons>what was winning with Deathwatch>what is literally the only person who is winning with Blood Angels
>>82322061>Collusion and judge favorability.Is that you, lowjakz?
>>82322072>"ACKNOWLEDGE ME!!!1!1"Okay, WAACfag. You do 40k wrong and it honestly worsens the hobby on every level because rather than simply staying with an army and mastering it, which would provide a much better view of army balance and player skill, you choose the lamest netlist and play it into the ground until GW is forced to publish errata.
>>82322021There is a big difference in the meta of a pool of people that all have whatever armies are the most competitive and constantly play against each other in a competitive way while also buying specifically the most competitive models and they all know every army perfectly both theirs and their opponent...And the average LGS meta.Their tier list is like saying that a Ferrari is undoubtedly the best car to buy because it goes faster, even if most people use their car to go to work, not to race.
>>82322074Are you incapable of inferring anything?>This is not mathThat's not what's being stated. The factions aren't being ranked in a 'perfect vacuum'. How would they be rated in a tiered list if they were? Wipe your chin.
>>82322034No one cares about whatever cringe video game this is
>>82322126Because tier lists never apply to a local meta.The guy asked for a tier list, and one was provided.
>>82322122Literally who?>google itOh fuck guys redditors are here. No wonder they love WAACfaggotry.
>>82322130>The factions aren't being ranked in a 'perfect vacuum'.Yes they are.They're being rated as if piloted by a very skilled player with unlimited funds playing specific lists. Again, clearly far over your head. Dont reply to me again, it's boring.
>>82321996>Tau are bullshit Mary Stu cunts and nobody can ever convince me otherwise.You have to look between the lines: it's all lies. Literally like Starship Troopers: it's a satire even if the creator himself doesn't know it is. Even if that future is actually a nice one: the satire is better than real life, apparently.In the tau's case, there are Tau who suffer. They are silenced and forced back into compliancy due to mental control. We have seen instances of Tau ordered to kill themselves.As for the resources, the other races are """kind""" enough to work for the Tau, for the greater good.The vespids were "gifted" with "communications helmets" (fucking mind control) and now they mine radioactive material for the Tau. Luckily they are "almost" immune to the lethal emanations. Same for Ion weapons that can kill the wielders. But these are "rare" events, and our brave and totally not hypno indoctrinated Fire caste is more than willing to sacrifice for the cause!You heard it from our Ethereal Supreme AunVa, who is totally alive and most certainly not a fucking VTuber :D >Even their rebellious splinter group is somehow even MORE super nice and noble with zero consequences.This. Farsight is unironically the only 100% good faction in the entire setting
>>82322124I don't have any idea who you are talking about, I have 13k points of Necrons and I have played them since 5th edition.I am just calling you a retard if you don't think that people have different skill level in this game independently of how waacfag they are.
>>82322153>Farsight is unironically the only 100% good faction in the entire settingthis
>>82322139And the comment that sparked the debate wasn't that that tier list is invalid, it was that it's retarded to pay attention to it when you are not a very specific kind of player.
>>82322183Their tier list isn't even accurate. Guard aren't as bad as Tau, GSC, or Chaos, and are definitely in a better spot than Craftworlds or Fists (multiple times during the stream they place things because "this beats that" but ignore it for armies they blatantly don't understand). Even Nick disagrees multiple times during the video with various placements and then just gets steamrolled.
>>82322148>thinks a baseline assumption is equatable to a vacuum
>>82322183So what would your tierlist look like, then?Hell, the list doesn’t factor in unlimited funds because some armies cost far more than others and are still extremely disparagable in power (Grey Knights are super cheap and are one of the best armies in the game, GSC are one of the most expensive armies in the game, and everyone agrees they are objectively dogshit)
>>82322219>Guard aren't as bad as TauTau have gotten at least two tournament placings.>better spot than craftworldsCraftworlds are used in souping and have gotten top placings
>>82322256Their primary logic was literally to place most things by what they can beat, and Guard smash half of the tier ahead of them. No idea why you're coping for some e-celebs who clearly don't even understand certain armies.
>>82322223A tier list of how easy an army is to play to achieve decently would be a hundred percent more useful than that one that shows how much tournament placing you get while playing extremely skewed lists or souping with other stronger armies.
>>82322222witnessed but waste
>>82322302If they were including soup GSC would be up there with nids.>>82322319I didn't ask for these digits.
>>82322289>and Guard smash half of the tier ahead of themlmfao imagine actually believing this
>>82322331>If they were including soup GSC would be up there with nids.They’re only being taken for blips to screen out.Rumors are that blips are going bye bye.
>>82322338Guard beat Fists, Raven Guard, Eldar, and Daemons handily. You're a fucking joke.
>>82322404>guard beat daemons handily>can do literally nothing vs. Be’lakor>guard have a 42% winrate vs. Craftworlds>they have a chance against the literal bottom of the barrel space marine factions that still have a higher overall winrate
>>82318710>I always play my favorite subfaction regardless of whether or not they suck.sure, but I asked what your favourite subfaction is that you don't play, not why you wouldn't play your subfactioneg my favourite subfactions are Alpha Legion and Red Corsairs, so I play both of those as well as several others so I mentioned Word Bearers since they're one of the few Legions I like that I don't play
>>82322510Winrate doesn't matter. The potential for a good general to win with them matters.
>>82322933>the statistics don't matter, my ass backwards logic however...
>>82322933>The potential for a good general to win with them matters.And that’s why Guard are bottom tier