What are some good reasons that humans would use guns, but not other species?
>>82301738Too stupid or rely on magic
>>82301738To be honest? None once prolonged contact has been established. One could argue "honor" or some such but, that too, Is just poor writing.Either everyone gets a boom stick, Or no one does.
>>82301738Because you've declared it so.Dwarfs or Elves are usually the gun wielding race unless you have tinker gnomes or Moogles though.
>>82301738Guns cannot be used effectively by other species
>>82301738Other spices are ether too advanced or too primitive to use guns, or the environment they come from prevents them from inventing guns in the first place. Like an underwater spices that can't develop guns because combustion is really difficult underwater, maybe non humans are from a different planet where the atmosphere is super combustible so using guns on their planet would just kill everyone involved, so they never invented guns.
>>82301738Protection from Nonmagical Missiles is supremely common among the other races, so guns only exist for human vs human combat while the other races are all swole and into manly melee action
>>82301762>Elves are usually the gun wielding race>Elves
Humans can't use magic, which is superior to guns. Guns and large numbers are all humans have.
>>82301738Firing them destroys their balance/gives them migraines. The shockwaves produced wreak utter havoc on their inner ears. Modern earplugs are a ton better than just wax but the pressure waves still travel through you and maybe elf ear structures just don't handle sudden nearby booms very well.
>>82301738>What are some good reasons that humans would use guns, but not other species?You're caught at the exact point in time where guns aren't sufficiently widespread everywhere, so guns are either reserved for a small elite or basically nonexistent. Except in the human lands, which have just begun to use it en masse. These are transitional times, my friend!
>>82301920Sounds like Skaven.
>>82301738>good reasonsNone, even among the various races of men, only to stupidest humans didn't use guns. So some refused to use guns do to nostalgia for traditions that never existed.Le sword better then gun, every single military force on planet earth used firearms (and those that didn't, died).So none, one one faction invented a weapon then all the factions do.
>>82301944yeah, i definitely wasnt being original, it's just the only thing that makes easy sense.
>>82301931Awww yeah, magi-tech ww1 baby!
>>82301954Yes, but not instantly. That's the key here. The adoption of firearms first comes in the early 1400s (you've a reference to an arquebus in Agincourt, a quintessential medieval battle), and it becomes total and complete in the early 1700s with the plug bayonet making the pike obsolete in European history at least. That's some 300-odd years worth of steady spread. Matthias Corvinus' Black Army had 1 in 4 soldiers with guns in the late 1400s while elsewhere in Europe you'd see closer to 1 in 10.So you can slow the spread by that way, to zoom in on a narrow stretch of time.
>>82301738Because they already had enough with one great war.
>>82302014Eh, WW1 is off. Magical Italian Wars is probably a better comparison.
Humans have the only access to gunpowder in the realm and providing access to it, smuggling materials or the formulas to anyone else is punishable by death by some rifle association church inquisition and so far it has worked.
>>82302079That didn't stop China from losing their silk Monopoly.
>>82301738Wands are strictly better and more practical in every respect, but humans are the only race in the land who can't use magic at all, so guns are the closest competitive fallback.
I mean, it's true in real life. That should be good enough for anyone.
>>82301738Elves - Allergic to ironDwarves - Using boomsticks in enclosed tunnels is a stupid idea, but they will happily smith and sell them to othersHalflings - Most gunsmiths aren't skilled enough to make them in an appropriate size. Dwarves could but won't because of a grudge
>>82301738Other races do use guns, but rarely, and when you see an elf with a gun you know that she probably killed a human. Guns and ammunition are the sick loot that humans sometimes drop.
>>82301738Guns are not only easier to hold and lighter to wield than other species, but they shoot bullets.
>>82301738they haven't invented them and the humans aren't interesting in selling. Only works when there's limited contact between the species though and eventually it's going to proliferate.Europeans had no problem selling low-quality muskets ("trade muskets") to africans for example
>>82302149>Elves - Allergic to ironExpand on that and make some fantasy races abhor the smell of gunpowder or even be allergic to it and its smoke.Humans make gunpowder with piss so that probably disgusts elves and some others.
>>82301738The Human god of bullshit shrinks the penis of any non human who tries to to shoot a hun.
>>82301738The Powder Mage book series kind of has a good excuse for this, I think. Actual mages are allergic to gun powder and culturally/religiously consider powder mages to be godless abominations that must be exterminated. Plus a powder mage is a hard counter to even the most talented sorcerers, given that they can put a musket ball through the guy with the fancy finger movements while far out of the range of his lightning and fire balls.
>>82302283Say that to my semi-automatic goblin with folding stock and scope extension.
>>82302007Oh yeah, this ONE art not based on anything in particular that usually shows up in those threads proves you're right.
>>82301738There was some old ass documentary I watched where it talked about giving tools to isolated tribes, and one of them was a gun. They came back some time later and the gun had been fashioned into a sort of club. The take away from it was that guns are only useful so long as you have ammo and the means to make it, and their lifestyle didnt really lend well to firing a loud weapon that would scare off everything in a mile radius when hunting, it was just no good for their civilization and way of living.Humans developed alongside eachother and developed these weapons to fight eachother, other races might not have the same experience or history with eachother and so never develop weapons intended specifically for fighting humans as guns were, and so never needed to adopt firearms as a tool so went in other directions with what weapons and armaments they developed as a species, like instead of developing guns they just learned to train animals to fight for them, or instead of trying to develop a better weapon they developed better means of defense, like types of armour, or they have moved past guns entirely and its humans that havent caught up. >still using projectiles>not casting concentrated radiation from a tuning fork
>>82301944>imply rat folk and humans wouldn’t get along like two peas in a pod
>>82301738Just have everyone use guns unless the other species are tribals or something.
>>82301738Because we have them.
>>82301738what's with the weeb shit?
Thumbs. Whenever a question along those lines is asked, the answer will always be thumbs.A second, auxiliary answer is that elves, dwarves, and any other humanoid is referred to as a human, relative to any other people they interact with.
>>82302775>Plus a powder mage is a hard counter to even the most talented sorcerersThe only reason the MC in that series killed the most powerful sorcerers was due to his mute ginger waifu making bloodmagic bullets.
>>82301738Elves think they're uncivilized.Dwarfs think they're too complex and temperamental.Gnomes would rather over engineer a crossbow or use magic.Halflings dont like the noise.
Rolled 2 (1d20)>>82301757>Either everyone gets a boom stick, Or no one does.Roll Constitutionality
>>82305070This is a burger class feat if I've ever fucking seen one.
>>82301738because we invented them first and an unenchanted gun can kill a god in one shot but it offends the sensibilities of elves and dwarves alike, gnomes are confused by the mechanics because it lacks magic and halflings don't know they exist yet.
>>82302007>falcata/kukri style hacking blade as a bayonetElven bayonet charge would be a sight to see.
>>82302031Really depends on your situation.China had gunpowder for centuries and dint go in for handheld firearms, cause the way they worked at the time, they weren't much use against mounted archers, the biggest threat they were facing at the time.By contrast, Japan pretty much replaced the bow with the arquebus within a few decades, since it was immensely useful in sieges and, once they figured out countermarching, pitched battles.
>>82301738Only two I can think of are that other races don't have the facilities to produce practical firearms (and if these other races survive an encounter with armed humans they will either found these facilities, buy them from humans or be wiped out) or other races have solutions that solve the same problems guns do with equal or greater efficiency.Maybe in your setting guns can be the same as crossbows were in history.Before crossbows came along the only truly effective combatants were those that spent most of their time training and studying the blade (unzips katana).Bowmen, knights, cavalrymen and other units not only had to learn how to do it from an early age, they'd need to come from families that could afford having these kids not help out the family as well as buy them equipment (since these type of units would buy their own gear).So the very poor couldn't be combatants unless they were willing to sell everything they had for some gear, and of course they'd be dramatically outclassed by combatants coming from more wealthy families.Then came the crossbow, which could be figured out in an hour and mastered enough to be dangerous and efficient in a weekend, and suddenly people who didn't dedicate their lives to warfare could be a serious force compared to those that did, with all the societal consequences it carries.Maybe humans in your setting are less likely to be efficient magic users, so other races had way more magicians in combat and training human mages was costly and difficult.And then came the gun, while the gun is no better than a magic missile or a fire ball, it's no worse either, and it's something most humans could be made efficient combatants with.
>>82301738Most humans are total weaklings by the standards of other species so guns (mostly cannons) are the only thing keeping the average mook slightly relevant. Other species don't use them due to being semi-aquatic, being so stupidly huge that building guns sized for them on a large scale isn't feasible, or just not seeing the hype when they can already do better with a bit of training.
>>82301738Humans are early adopters thanks to shorter lifespans. Dwarves and Elves still remember when guns were terrible and useless but some humans have shot guns all their life. Mind, this is a temporary state of affairs.
>>82301738Elves don't want to mine for the shit to make gun powder.
>>82303543As long as they're non-skaven ratfolk. Skaven are just the worst.
>>82301738Everyone else has magic. For humans, making bullets out of prepared runestones and shooting them at people to enact their inscribed spells is the closest humans can get to the projectile magic used by the others.
>>82301738humans are the only ones with the industrial base to reliably make enough guns, bullets, and gunpowder.
Humans have the blessing of the gun god! Whenever other races try to use guns they and up jamming or otherwise malfunctioning. Only the humans where blessed with the gift of the gun!
>>82301738Shit acuity or depth perception.
>>82301738You could probably pull from the Qing for inspiration. Even though some of the banner armies used firearms. The Qing banned the use of them in their Manchu homelands because they felt it was a threat to their nomad culture. You could also have it be that the human kingdoms are the only places with substantial nitrate deposits like Chile and Peru during the 19th century or that one island covered in hundreds of tons of bird shit.Without naturally occurring nitrates you'd have to do something like what Oda Nobunaga did and use piss and corpses to make lower quality nitrates. The Elves might find that practice horrifying, orcs wouldn't have the industrial base to do it in large quantities (plus you might incorporate the Qing element of wanting to prevent the death of a historic cultural element).
>>82301738Racial inferiority. Just like in real life.
>>82301738What's a good reason for a society to send the only people capable of reproduction to die in a blood and disease filled trench on the frontlines?
>>82301738Humans in the setting are weaker, slower, and less magically inclined than the other races in the setting but have a huge population number. They have a strong martial culture and a massive standing army that makes great use of guns and artillery and only the humans have the industry needed to fuel such an army. There is nothing preventing members of the other races from using guns on an individual level but no one uses them as effectively as the humans on a mass scale.
>>82305461Exactly, which makes it possible for some to have guns and others not to - the spread isn't instant, guns don't magically appear in everyone's hands the minute someone invents them.
>>82307627How did the humans get numbers if they're weaker, slower, and less magic than all the rest? They'd be fucking dead, numbskull.
>>82307876That defines a lot of species around the world, dude. If your breeding rate is higher than your death rate and you've enough resources to sustain the population at that point you can keep growing. They need to cross a survival threshold as to physical abilities, after that they just need to generate a sufficiently high number of children to outpopulate everyone.
>lol just give everyone guns, see what happens
>>82307973mountains of assumptions
>>82301738Environmental factors, technological limitations, and resource availability might prevent them from using firearms.There may also be societal or biological reasons for not doing so. They may also have magic or some other ranged weapon that they prefer.
>>82307876Most people don't want to invest in a setting where humans aren't in control, reasons be damned humans will be the same overachiever plot armor wearing race.
>>82301738Population: Guns were only useful in volley at the beginning. Volley only works if you can replace your male population faster than you have wars. Slow to reproduce populations would never risk their population in volley combat. Fast to reproduce populations would have no need to. They can overwhelm early volley lines with shields and numbers.Terrain. Volley combat only works in dry, open environments. Water worlds, swamp worlds, and underground combat all defeat the volley. If humans were recent immigrants to a world they may still be trying to use guns in an inappropriate setting.Technology/Magic: Many reasons, some have been stated.Economics: Humans may be the only race capable of the complex economic societies to be able to supply mass powder and shot armies.Air Cavalry: If human are the only race without an aerial mount, that could explain it. Guns would be useless against such fast moving militaries and useless with having such a military.
>>82301738>Humans are the only species with binocular vision, or forward facing eyes. Other species can use guns, but can't hit shit with them at any sort of distance beyond point blank.>other species have some form of natural ranged attack that makes human firearms pointless for them>Firearms require iron (or some other sort of macguffin material) which other races cannot touch>Every other species god has some sort of fatwa against using human stuff, or the human god protects human inventions somehow>Some sort of Arcanum-style incompatibility between technology and magic on a fundamental physical level means that to use firearms other races must forgoe their magic, which is far more useful and required by some species to live. Humans cannot use magic anyway so rely on firearms.>Humans entirely and solely control the one global source of whatever macguffin makes firearms work in this setting. Other races can get a hold of a gun and use it, but they'll never get any more ammo than what they found with it. Other races greedily want to conquer the humans but cannot due to the overwhelming advantage humans have. Meanwhile humans cannot fight a war against every other species at the same time, thus an uneasy truce.>All non-human species have been subverted by a tiny minority of tiny-hatted globalists who insist on extremely harsh gun control laws meaning no member of any other species has even heard of a firearm.
>>82307876>How...Wizard did it. Numbcrotch.
>>82307876They started off as a merchant nation. Their country wasn't the biggest or strongest but it was one of the richest. By simply paying most of their threats to leave them alone or hiring mercenaries, they were able to keep themselves uninvolved in most of the conflicts of the region and maintain the peace and prosperity of their lands. Thanks to that their population numbers rarely took a big hit and they only kept growing until one day the leaders of the nation realized that their lands won't be able to support them some day. From there they invented guns, industrialized, and did it for the lebensraum. They took small territories, stopped expanding for some years, then continued expanding once their population grew enough to warrant it again.
>>82301757>>82301738The primary benefit of guns over bows is training time, not effectiveness, especially with early firearms. Training a man to skillfully use a bow or poleaxe takes years. Training a man to stand in a line holding an arquebus or pike takes weeks. Seriously, once they had their methods down to a science, early modern armies considered a recruit battle worthy after a fortnight (two weeks) training for a pike, or about twice that for a musket. Relative to other species, do humanity reproduce quickly and live shorter lives? Advantage to guns. Do other races live longer and reproduce slower? Bows make more sense.
I honestly hate the entire concept because it limits things that could be fun or interesting, like seeing how each race could diverge on how they design their guns and ammunition.
>>82301738the sheer autism required to maintain a gun makes them impractical for species considered "sane"
>>82301738Smoke/residue of gunpowder is toxic? I don't think it's particularly healthy to humans either if you, like, eat it. But maybe it's like cyanide to other species.
>>82301738In most fantasy, humans are the most populous (civilized) race. Early (see: premodern) firearms' greatest advantage was that they allowed mass mobilization warfare. Armies more than tripled in size in Europe in less than a century- the 'elite warrior class' was suddenly no longer as relevant when warfighting could be accomplished by large levees with irregular and basic training. Quick example from Wikipedia related to this: The King of France could field around 20,000 men in total for his wars against Spain in the 1550s, but could mobilize up to 500,000 men into the field by 1700 in the War of the Spanish SuccessionThe life of an elf or dwarf does not support mass mobilization warfare. When your average citizen lives for centuries, he can spent centuries becoming an amazingly efficient archer, horseman etc. There is no value in mass infantry rifle tactics to a race like this. There is value in some use of them, but warfare broadly would remain unchanged.Less developed races (orcs) might lack the industrial capacity to consistently produce quality gunpowder, rifle barrels, and so on. Those armies might look more like the ones that fought back against colonial powers in the 18th and 19th century: synthesis of old and new, not by choice but because of availability.
>>82308723Classic orcs are more industrialized than humans though.
>>82301738The most obvious reason is other species created mass production of magic items to compensate. Magic arrows and bolts, runes for armor that make them somewhat bullet proof. As for why they don't both use both, they already picked their military-industrial paths and there's no point in massively changing everything just for different advantages and disadvantages. Or it could be like Arcanum where science and magic can't coexist.
>>82305461>>82302031No, firelances had been used by Europeans as-soon-as the technology became available via the silk road. What's actually funny, it took between 400~600 years to reinvent the bayonet. Much of EuroAsia, specifically Easterns (some of Arabia and the based euro Cossacks), saw fit to remove the "lance" from the firelance. Instead they focused on scaling-up the barrel, eventually finding ways to elongate the thing without losing effectivity. Then they plugged the barrel; and then, finally, after some 500 years. . . We pretty much got the firelance back in action. Though, granted, it was far more of an effective weapon.It's like the weirdest bit of history that ABSOLUTELY NOBODY talks about.
>>82310796The Firelance was single shot only and had very little range, it's pretty different.
>>82301738Guns for either mechanical or cultural reasons are less able to be enchanted/runed. Warhammer fantasy does this well - guns are better than crossbows, but Dawi still use the latter for many purposes because they're quiet, reliable, and have 4000 years of research into how they can be improved using runes. You can't just slap a rune of 'making better +1' onto something like a firearm and produce a useful result. So the gun itself is better than a crossbow, but the runes you can put on an older weapon often more than level the playing field. If your humans have little to no magical potential, then perhaps they've embraced firearms while everyone else has a reason to stick with older weapons, as they do have magic.
>>82301738they fingies too smol
>>82308723Mass musketry is something that only comes about after several hundred years once the production bottlenecks of powder get worked out and firearm design gets widespread enough to lower costs. The Black Army was a huge outlier with 25% of its composition being armed with guns compared to the 10% that was common in the rest of Europe, but required a huge amount of taxes to keep supported. If your other races can't support mass musketry, then they can't support any other form of mass unit tactics either. Which means they're pretty much militarily obsolete by the time the Late Middle Ages equivalent rolls around.
>>82305707I mean, if skaven weren't just the impossibly evil shitbags they are, they would probably get along well with humans. Skaven, however, don't even get along with other skaven, at all. Put two skaven in a room and both will agree it is one skaven too many.
>>82301944skaven are good at everything tho>best guns>best artillery>best magic (warpstone)>greatest numbers>best tech
>>82301738I read a book where fey are repulsed by the smell of Sulphur. Plus lead has minor anti magic properties inhibiting spells when in direct contact. The Elven queen also banned guns for that reason.
>>82302775>they can put a musket ball through the guy with the fancy finger movements while far out of the range of his lightning and fire balls.What's even the point of a lightning bolt if it can't strike farther than 50 yards? A bow should be just as good as a gun at that point, if not better.
Humans are techno-barbarians who receive visions of advanced technology schematics from the god of guns (and innovation, but mostly guns).
>>82301738Other races are much more conservative. The gun is just a new fangled machine which won't catch on. It jams once or twice every dozen shots anyways. Why would I gamble when i can just notch an arrow and let loose? It's worked fine for the past few millennia.If you eventually lead to other species picking up guns, make sure they are also shorter lifespanned creatures. Goblins, Kobolds, dragonborn, things like that.
>>82315176What about that 'morale' thing?
>>82301738plays up the narrative of humans being successful by prospect of self-made power & ingenuity
>>82301738Other races are a bit magical ans magic fucks the more advanced technology up, as in Steampunk
Their sensory organs are way more sensitive than humans' so the sound of explosons and smell of gunpowder messes them up so bad they can't fight.
>>82310907This is how I went about it. Bullets are simply too small to carve the needed runes / magical web to enchant the weapon, guns themselves don’t play a part in the firing processed to increase the power of the bullet either so enchanting them is pretty useless outside of durability reasons. Most bullets are made of lead too which is a total anti-magic material, though the bullet itself is to small / contact to short for it too effectively cancel most magic.Arrows can be however because of the shaft being wood, so elves can hit you with explosive, fire, frost, even growth arrows (imagine vines bursting from the impact point). Bows themselves are also much more part of the firing process as well, so you can enchant them to increase the power or consistency of the shot. You can even enchant the string. However enchanting takes a long time by a extremely skilled enchanter, a non-issue with elves and their lifespans but a human isn’t going to want to wait five years plus travel to get a bow with a bit more range and a set of arrows that do magic shit. It is much easier just to learn how to use a gun, and while it’s not better than a fully enchanted bow, it’s good enough.There is also a ant race that uses effectively a fire lance shotgun as well, but they are unable to accurately aim because of the compound eyes thing and being nearly blind to boot. So they are more focused on how to get as much firepower in as little distance as possible (that and they mostly live underground so range is a non issue).
>>82315554If you can enchant a bow string how exactly are bullets too small to enchant? Early firearm often have fairly massive bores compared to modern guns, with .55 through .80 caliber being common and some wallgun examples being even larger. On top of that you're neglecting the fact that durability enchants would have a major impact on firearms usage by allowing for lighter firearms for an equivalent material strength. And while that might not have an amazing impact on personal firearms, once you're talking about cannon it's a complete fucking game changer, never mind the fact that there is no reason why you wouldn't be able to enchant a cannonball under these restrictions. You'd basically be able to advance artillery to 19th century levels.
>>82307588Some great gender inballance like 10% males and 90% femalesA race that is reproducing asexualy?Clone army?Males being the weaker gender by a large margine?A curse or disease that renders most infertile?A desperate last minute defence as a fuck you against a enemy that will exterminate tour entire race No matter what you do?A female prison batalion?Any reason is good, especialy those that is magical.
>>82301738Not honourable enough for dwarves and too woud for their widdle elfy ears.
>>82309135>Classic orcsTolkien's Orcs are setting specific much the same as all other representations of the fantasy species.
>>82302715Does that mean human dick is already shrunken so it wouldn't be affected by gun shrinkage?
>>82301738Early guns may be too unreliable and have worse range than Composite Longbows and stuff like that, making it a good option for short lived species with the industrial capacity of mass producing them (humans) but pointless for other species that have more time to train in the fairly superior more traditional alternatives.Maybe the other species have members that can cast fire missile as cantrips making any form of ranged weapon, and by extension guns, redundant.Or the species see it as too much of an equalizer and actively discourage their populations from using them (I did this with a Drow civilization once that was undergoing a French Revolution like process along with fast industrialization after sacking a bunch of Duergar cities)
>>82301738Monopoly on gunpowder.
The easiest answer is that other races find it distasteful or disagreeable for cultural reasons. The fact that something exists does not mean everyone is inclined to use it - even in real life, much less in a fantasy settings where you literally dictate the rules. They may see it as unclean from a religious perspective, or dishonorable from a moral perspective. Or they just might be very conservative in their customs, and simply value their own traditions more. Again - even in real life, use of technology is often determined more by socio-cultural factors than pragmatic and economic ones, and fantasy - by nature of being FANTASY, NOT SCIENTIFIC SPECULATION - can push that angle as far as it likes. Any and all of answers above should be entirely sufficient.A different, more creative solution is to declare that humans simply keep the technology of gunpowder and other necesary know-how of fire arm production a strict secret. I'm saying creative, because this would have to push you into actually creatively explaining how they succeeded in doing so. Perhaps explaining that the recipe for gunpowder is in hands of a highly secretive religious order - to explain how it did not fall into the hands of commoners, who would likely "leak" it other races. You should really look at the problem this way: it's not about giving a realistic answer. It's about coming up with an answer that either fits your story's theme and atmosphere, or one that actually stimulates more creative thinking.
>>82317224That is bullshit. Gunpowder ain't rocket science, especially black powder.
>>82303543I want to fuck skaven
>>82317302Its the original rocket science.
>>82315774Because a bowstring untwisted is a long rectangle, which they can effectively write on like paper to get the effect. They then twist it into the string and it works. Secondly most bullets are still made of lead which is anti magic and completely unusable (hence why humans started using it for bullets, no one else wanted it), and while iron/steel isn’t anti magic it’s not conductive either, which makes it extremely difficult to work delicately (which is the entire basis of the elves style of enchanting). Thirdly humans just suck at enchanting in general aside from the insert mana to make weapon do fancy effect type, as elvish enchanting would simply take way to long for a human to learn even if they somehow had the aptitude and for Dwarves Runes are borderline sacred and it’s a great way to piss off basically every dwarf if they knew a lesser race had one. Also both view humans enchants as hilarious childish at the best of times, heinously inefficient and just burning mana at the usual.Technically if the races got over their disdain for each other then elvish enchanting could be applied to a steel / mithril bullet, while dwarven runecarving on weapon proper.And Dwarves do have cannons and runes are applied, but cause in part I took them straight outta Warhammer they don’t really trust them and prefer Crossbows/Catapults/Ballista. There is also the minor issue of most of their fights being underground and in CQC where artillery is more used as a trap then artillery.Elves don’t care because they have major timelag issues, but also because if they enchant the right arrow they can make a pretty horrifyingly huge explosion (like single shot blow your castles main gate completely off levels). Most races have a fear of deep forests because of them, but in general they just don’t care and are content to let the flames snuff themselves out… till you burn them at any rate. They extremely vengeful and usually take it out on the whole town style.
>>82301738If it's a setting where magic is common, maybe the other races are more adept at it. Humans would use technology to compensate.If magic is equally used between all races, guns might give humans an edge because everyone can use them. But there's no reason other races wouldnt steal the technology or invent some other counter to it. This counter might be to upscale their means of magic usage, or perhaps to create monsters for soldiers.Any way you shake it, guns create either more guns, or some different kind of counter.
>>82301738Well in my settings other species have alternatives, such as magically powered energy launchers or ways to cut distance and fight in melee. And only one faction of humans uses guns en-masse as the others have things besides guns going for them. And of course I only have mid 19-th century guns so it's not as absurd. The most advanced is a chain-based pistol which takes a fuckton of time to reload even if it has a larger capacity.
>>82302007The perspective on that bayonet is killing me
>>82315423Especially the dorfs
>>82301738Depends on the setting
>>82317302It's actually really difficult to produce gunpowder on an industrial scale unless you possess major nitrate supplies or production facilities.
>>82317452>If it's a setting where magic is common, maybe the other races are more adept at it. Humans would use technology to compensate.I did this with orcs in mine, since humans are, for the most part Cthulhu cultists with psionics and warlock stuff, Halflings are into divine casting and elves and gnomes are into arcane casting.Orcs couldn't be casters so they had guns, alchemists and artificers to compensate. They still lose. Badly.
>>82301738Simple. Bows are better in DND. It's that simple due to the gay reloading rules (unless you play one of those shit editions where you can load a muzzleloader in 2 seconds). With levels and feats you can shoot a crazy number of times in 6 seconds, but for anyone not a PC experience usually comes with decades of training. I never understood why guns are martial weapons. They're the simplest shit ever. load it up, point and click. That was one of their main appeals historically. A good longbowman required a decade of practice. An arquebusier took 30 mins to show him how to load it and show him where the trigger is and teach him whoch end the bullets come out of.
>>82318701You mean Drifters was lying to me? I'm scandalized.
>>82301738You could make some races destined to hell or mental decay if they kill without following a code because it offends their gods or what not. The code would permit swords and bows but not guns.
>>82302149Elves being allergic to iron brings in a lot more potential than it seems at first glance. It's very presence harms them, so they can't just wrap it on leather or whatever. While everyone has long since moved on to iron, they're still stuck in bronze and bone. The trouble modernizing is what led them to focus more on magic and life in contact with nature, but they still struggle with production because bronze just won't cut it for a lot of things. Even food production is a challenge, and while the other races have exploded demographically industrially, they're still stuck in the bronze era. So far they've been doing fine because magic and the skill mastery that comes with immortality helped them keep an edge. Now that guns are coming into play, they're rapidly becoming outclassed. It's not only guns, either - iron nails alone help the other races build great monuments and infrastructure projects that so far were only possible with magic. And they can do it everywhere, while powerful enough mages are rare and very hard to replace.The elves see their proud culture and lifestyle threatened by the rapid progress of the rest of the world. They hide their fear in arrogance, but they know their days as a respectable and relevant power are counted. They try to leverage their political influence to sabotage, derail, and generally slow siren development. Elven culture is radicalizing, moving closer to ancestral technology. Those who dabble in technology become outcasts. They're beginning to regress, becoming backwards and stubborn. The other races are split. Some listen to the elves about the dangers of the new technology, but many embrace it and see the elves as stubborn reactionaries, or even as backwards savages.The world is moving towards a huge war. Orcs got their hand into gunsmithing tech and they're going full Prussian. Their lack of refinement is compensated by the fact that each orc is carrying what's essentially a small cannon.
>>82319693Cont.So we have a huge mess incoming, with a huge fucking orc horde with canons and a human kingdom who's not quite ready for it. The dwarfs are great at defensive and siege warfare, but have no other solution against the orcs than to down and focus on R&D. The elves are essentially becoming the Native American crowd, heavily outgunned and generally bullied around. Eventually they split into two groups: the ones who insist on refusing tech, who end up like LOTR elves, just hiding away in their little fairy tale towns (and who may or may not go nuts eventually once they get annihilated or enslaved, with the survivors turning into bitter freedom fighters/terrorists and bandits, depending on who you ask; and the other ones who stick to their guns (heh) and go full engineer, going on to develop a mix of magic and bronzesmithing which propels them into flying ships and other magitech bullshit.
>>82315406doesn't matter if your enemies morale break-vanishes before your morale does, yes yes
>>82301738did the age of the flintlock ever involve trench warfare?
>>82319372If I had to make that work I think a good fluff would be to make the restriction melee only. Ranged weapons distance you from the act of killing. The gods demand you smell the fear, hear the screams and feel the warm spattering of blood if you kill another. Only by commanding their subjects to viscerally understand their own actions do they allow killing. Kinda how drone operators get PTSD cuz they're so distanced from the whole thing while infantry oddly enough have fewer incidences.
>>82301738Other species are too inferior to be capable of using guns.
>>82320021> Kinda how drone operators get PTSD cuz they're so distanced from the whole thing while infantry oddly enough have fewer incidences.source?really? sauce?https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30660830/A total of 6.15% met PTSD symptom criteria.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0887618514000656?via%3Dihub"4.3% of USAF drone operators reported clinically significant PTSD symptoms" (with the caveat of there being a higher prevalence of subthreshold symptoms), though "the incidence of PTSD among USAF drone operators in this study was lower than rates of PTSD (10–18%) among military personnel"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25102551/"results also reveal 10.72% of operators self-reported experiencing high levels of distress and 1.57% reported high levels of PTSD symptomology"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4168809/Across Western military forces in general, "regardless of heterogeneity, prevalence rates of PTSD were higher among studies of Iraq-deployed personnel (12.9%; 95% CI 11.3% to 14.4%), compared with personnel deployed to Afghanistan (7.1%; 95% CI 4.6% to 9.6%)"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32598575/"From 2001 to 2017, the incidence rates of PTSD in the active force (per 1,000 service members) steadily climbed, with a low of 1.24 in 2002 to a high of 12.94 in 2016."
>>82319693I had a similar idea but instead of an allergy to iron I have them allergic to lead as it is the anti magic metal. That makes firearms extra deadly to elves and they themselves are less likely to use those weapons due to the ammunition being toxic.
Humans actively keep guns from other races, going so far as to reclaim any found in the hands of non humans by force.
>>82320158Huh. Guess I got schooled. I'll fairly admit I was just repeating something a buddy told me. Thanks for the correction. One stupid thing I won't say again for sure.
>>82301757>One could argue "honor" or some such but, that too, Is just poor writing.This occurred in real life and it's "poor writing"?faggot
Because humans still haven't developed the death ray apendice, and don't have the means to reverse engineer the weapon.
>>82321297Considering how often real events have to be removed from historical movies because they're "too unrealistic," real life is the most juvenile, cringe shit ever concieved.
You could make humans the strong species in a sci-fi setting, and explain that other species usually can't handle the recoil of firearms effectively, using energy weapons instead.
Kids, let me share a secret with you.Good world-building is not about answering every potential question and plugging every potential logical hole in your settings.Good world-building is presenting a settings that will catch your players interest enough to make them not want to ask questions. Your players won't be care about why exactly do your elves not use firearms if they have fun shit to do and explore. Give them good stories. Not mediocre and pointless pseudoscientific speculation.
>>82301738Ever played Arcanum - of Steamworks and Magic obscura?Its a bit like the old Fallout games.tl;dr version.It USED to be a medival fantasy setting.Dwarves had tech but kept it super secret and super safe. But one human got hold of dwarf tech and it just exploded. In a generation or two humans went from medvial to about wild-west tech.The thing is magic and tech dont mix. So if you are a magic user you must ride the traincart waaaay back, so you dont interfer with the steamengine. And vice versa. Magic gets fucky when close to tech.Its a realy interesting game. I like the neighbourtiung human country that USED to dominate. With its knights in shining armour, magic swords etc. .. and then they got moved down by 1800s tech weaponery and its now all shit over at their plac.
>>82323000You're assuming these motherfuckers have players.
>>82323345Actually, not necessarily. This advice applies to any form of fiction you create. Any kind of story you want to tell through any form of media - from GM'ing to writing amateur fiction and everything in between.And also, I'm not saying people should underestimate the value of good worldbuilding. I'm saying that what makes worldbuilding good is not the speculation and rationalizations you try to prop it up with.
>>82301738Humans? The fuck would humans get the idea for guns? Elves are the most intelligent race, so obviously they'd invent guns first.
Gunpowder is a gift from a particular breed of fire elementals.These elementals gave powder to humans as a gift in exchange for some service or other agreement. In honor of this agreement, spirits of fire powder simply won't obey members of other species.IT'S FUCKING FANTASY YOU MORONS. IT REALLY ISN'T THAT FUCKING HARD. Use your fucking imagination for once. If you don't have the imagination to come up with somethign like this a fucking 20 other possible explanation, why the fuck are you doing trying to build your own world?
>>82319988It involved the use of trenches and other earthenworks for sure. Kinda hard to get hit by a bullet when the majority of your body is behind a bigass pile of dirt.
It takes large industrial base to outfit an army with Guns. Perhaps other rsces don't have the same industry.
>>82301738Humans are the only race that shits and pisses enough/concentrated enough to produce saltpeter (potassium nitrate) to manufacture black powder in sufficient quantities.And keep in mind, even in real life, the use of bat guano from caves was a real late development for us. Before that it's collecting waste from the city, or digging up old cesspits.Pic related, the petremill was always sufficiently far from towns.
>>82325227>elves piss, but only once per century, and never shit>dwarves shit, at a rate similar to humans (approx 1/day), but never piss. When inebriated they just poop more, like birds.>humans poop like disgusting dwarves, and they pee like prissy elves>this allowed us to create gunpowder>that's why both races hate usImagine that something only elves do allowed the humans to overpower you, the great and mighty dwarves. That's a grudge for sure.
>>82325288In a setting where pee is a commoditty, the whizzard is king.
>>82301944>Skaven>can't use magicWhat are Warlock Engineers, Grey Seers, and Verminlords?
>>82301738Too weak and lazy to master weapons that take skill
>>82301738generally speaking:Dwarves use guns, oftentimes they are the ONLY ones with guns rather than humans as you claimOrcs, goblins, etc. too dumb/undersupplied to properly make or use guns (size would also be an issue in most cases)Elves are fags who have some weird tradition or cultural thing that makes using guns undesirable to most of themGunpowder artillery has similar reasoning except some of the logic is amplified
>>82308428>The primary benefit of guns over bows is training time, not effectivenessThis isn't true for guns by the time they entered widespread use on the battlefield. Firearm projectiles have a lot more energy behind them than bows or crossbows do, which allows them to penetrate armor and makes them much deadlier to unarmored opponents. They could also be carried loaded, so cavalrymen could unleash their caracole fire and start retreating or charging a lot faster than mounted archers could.Once guns were introduced to the Americas, they completely changed the nature of warfare. Even when they were completely unable to produce guns or ammunition themselves, the sheer lethality of firearms made the previous tactic used of exchanging fire at skirmish ranges too suicidal to continue using. It had as great an impact as the horse on the birth of effective nomadic warrior peoples in the North American plains, and saw warfare focus even more strongly on raids and ambushes designed to terrorize enemies into migration or exterminate their population since native group couldn't afford the losses suffered in pitched battles with firearms and horsemen.
>>82325362We thought it was just blatant fetish bait this whole time, but it was actually a well developed technocracy based on urination.
>>82321297> real lifeIf you unironically believe this than you are an idiot. Perhaps even a fag. The closest thing to No Guns Cuz Honor that occured real life were the Boxer and Maji Maji Rebellions. No modern state that could obtain guns refused guns.>>82308428Something else to consider is procurement. Good swords, bows, and even pikes require skilled artisans. Guns require basic clockwork and metallurgy, and can be churned out way faster. Obviously artisan guns existed and have existed, but those didn't need to be the primary weapon of any army.
>>82323000They will hate you because you spoke the truth.
>>82302092True, but it took a shifty Italian traveling monk.Maybe not all worlds, not at all times, have that kind of capable shady characters.That's something a certain kind of player characters could help with, tho.
Humans are the only mundane race, and the magic of other creatures effects gunpowder weird so IT dont work none gud.
>>82325227Words cannot describe how much I fucking hate that this makes sense.
>>82301738Humans can't use magic therefor they have to invent things to replicate it's effects.
>>82301738Guns could be thought as being dishonorable, harmful for the environment because they're stinky and loud, and maybe there's enough superstition to make other people not like them.It could be that humans have enough control over them that other races can't get their hands on them or maybe there's a cabul of assassins who instantly home in on you if you pick one up.Perhaps other races don't need it due to effective magic and humans aren't really even leveling the playing field, just getting a tiny bit closer.In a "realistic" setting where the gun kills you, know what else kills you about as easily, Magic Missile. It just goes through your eye and you're donezo. So if you're the faggula who's gonna have the gun oneshot the big guy in plate then you're the same faggula who's gonna get oneshot by some elven shit kid who got made at you for spilling his tree juice smoothie.
>>82327209>Guns could be thought as being dishonorable, harmful for the environment because they're stinky and loud, and maybe there's enough superstition to make other people not like them.Isn't that the entire premise of Princess Mononke?
>>82305070Based as fuck
>>82321297Who? If you’re talking about the Japanese that’s not really true. As soon as the Portuguese showed up with fancy rifles they were all over that shit.
>>82301926this would make them non combatants
>>82301738Anatomical differences and the other species haven't figured out how to design the butt to handle recoil with their anatomy.That wouldn't stop them from using artillery though.
>>82307588Human women cant produce life unless they are able to survive a negative level.They will need two if they produce twins.Some women find they like the adventuring life and are quite good at it, but most return home to their level 4-5 husband.
>>82323000just because they wont care about why doesnt mean that the dm knowing why doesnt help him craft such illusions.
>>82327544It's more about conserving brainpower. You can never predict every question your players could ask. Start from first principles.
>>82301738Maybe human ears are way tougher than other species and they find it incredibly uncomfortable or permanently scarring to use, even with human ear protection.
>>82301738Humans are known to lack a particular sensitivity to magic, to the point of virtualy been incapacitated without rare and expansive enchanted Channelers, to not speak of lacking agility and strength able to make them outrun or crush many foes.For this, Humans decided to use their ingenious ingenuity to transform some highly flammable powder into useful and deadly weapons able to pierce through magical barriers if the caliber is big enough and even better if enhanced, but also reach the fastest of enemy in seconds, even outrun it, or penetrate the thickest of skins.In short, humans found a respurce to overwhelm and prosper without magic or other fantastical resources, sometimes leaving other races to use and try to make their own guns, even the peskiest of elf probably own an intricate, enchanted gun.(Of corse I have a setting set after the "death" of magic and this made hans develope guns)
>>82301738Necessity is the mother of invention. A lot of races simple might not feel the need. Or they're at odds with the needs they do have. An elven archer may not wish to use something as loud as the guns they have at the time for fear of scaring of other potential prey. A more magical race may simple find the idea quaint if they can cast spells from a range.
>>82302149>>82302661>>82319693>>82320499I remember reading some reddit writefaggotry where a human engineer or construction worker was isekai'd to a world populated only by elves and his special "power" was being able to touch iron without it burning his skin.A few readers made the point that it was weird for elves to have red blood if they're allergic to iron, but the series ended up explaining that away with the elves' inability to iron being a curse or side-effect of their souls being linked to the Fey, rather than some kind of alien biological trait.
>>82301738I like the HFY take that in a space setting, aliens that did not have humanity's very specific evolutionary path suck hard at throwing things, which means they'd stick with melee weapons much longer and switch to point-and-shoot beam weapons much sooner. Guns get pooh poohed as imprecise and archaic weapons more likely to harm the user than the enemy... which means alien armor focuses on mirror reflection or heat diffusion rather than shock resistance. It also means that alien ships would have no equivalent of CIWS or evasive maneuvers, since at a light second (300,000km) or less, dodging a laser is impossible. For reference the moon is about 1.28 light seconds from Earth.
>>82301738Magic and technology do not mix. Guns are complex enough to be rather unreliable with magic users, or those with the potential. Humans, on average, are not magic. Elves, Dwarves, Hobbits, etc. Are, on average, pretty magic. Thus humans, as a species, can reliably use guns, while others are unable to reliably use them.>Mentioned species and how unreliable guns become in a Magic User's hands are entirely at your discretion
>>82328227this shit doesnt survive past targeting computers.
>>82301738Religious reasons. Magic is for evildoers.>And he burned his son as an offering and used fortune-telling and omens and dealt with mediums and with necromancers. He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking him to anger.>You shall not permit a sorceress to live.
>>82328330Targeting computers as standard infantry equipment? No. They'd go with chemical lasers first.
>>82328398you are talking about literal space. they have to be able to deal with debre by then.
>>82328413*debrisHonestly, "just steer a bit to go around it" is the best way to deal with space debris even for us rock throwing monkeys. It's like a poison swamp in DW1: it slows your movement and inflicts damage unless you have hax tier equipment (in this case, the equivalent of Starfleet navigational deflectors).
>>82318701Most of Europe didn't have large scale access to mineral nitrate deposits for centuries after introduction of firearms.Neither did the Japanese when they introduced firearms large scale in the 16th century.Yes the production was localized around biological nitrate sources and had to be stockpilled and were not industrial scale. But that is misleading few things were done on an industrial scale prior to the industrial revolution, it's still enough for the widespread use of firearms.
>>82319988Yes during sieges
>>82319988>>82323951This was the age of star shaped forts. They're all over Europe and northeastern North America as ruins and tourist attractions today. Heavily dug in shore fortifications lasted right up through WW2. It wasn't until guided missiles provided the ability to drop straight down on an enemy behind their walls that they fell out of favor.
>>82301738Only humans have hands.
>>82328365Guns aren't fucking magic thoughIf anything that would be more of a reason to hold them>Gotta kill those Helm-damned magic users with my Ao-given 2nd Amendment rights
>>82328547I can see almost every duel of wizard or swordsman versus gunslinger going like this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdnA-ESWcPs
>>82302775Most powder mages were way worse than sorcerers. It's just the main character special skill to basically use 100% of the bullet energy always
>>82308144Did the dragon shit on him wtf?