Pretty nice, you have more freedom, better living conditions, are given better training and equipment in times of war, and are given a relatively decent amount of autonomy. Humans are ironically treated better than the Tau themselves in the Tau Empire, at least by Human standards of what constitutes good treatment.
>>82299802This is mostly accurate. However, Tau females do not look like that.Anyway the part that isn't true really is 'autonomy'. But humans are used to not having autonomy for the most part, anyway.
Astronomically shitty. You are sterilized and treated like a second class citizen. You are taken care of physically but have no rights and cannot meaningfully participate in Tau society at any level.
>>82299758Did this thread really need a part 2 OP?I wish you could see my sage. I'll gladly eat a ban to say we need sage bombing back.
>>82299849>You are sterilizedDaily reminder that there is no canonical source for the Tau sterilizing anyone, and any person who says the Tau sterilize people can be safely disregarded as a secondary who hasn't actually read any lore.
>>82299830agreed tits too smol
>>82299860daily reminder it is canon ill wait for you office gw caon statement otherwise.
>>82299849>>82299876>You are sterilized and treated like a second class citizen.you are not sterilized. you ARE treated as a second class citizen. But for most humans of the Imperium this is basically the same as being in the imperiumThe biggest drawback is it's much less safe. Unless you're on an imperial world in a warzone (which is most these days), security on and Imperial World will generally be better simply by virtue of the fact they have measures in place to detect and neutralize Pyskers. The Warp remains the Tau's biggest achilles heel (aside from being small fry, but that's why they want human bodies in the first place)Granted the Ethereals seem to be aiming to bulk out the empire with Humans and probably plan to use them as chaff in the future, since they're more numerous by far than any other species.
>>82299876The burden of proof is on you to show that the Tau Empire sterilize people.
>>82299851its all in good fun man just enjoy the drama or you know stay out of the tread?
>>82299890>>82299884>>82299860>>82299849 Wasn't the whole sterilizing people just somebody thinking they might do that because the human population had to rebellion and they think that's how they're going to deal with them? and that person was an imperial who would not have extra good knowledge on the Tau Empires standard treatments? I think it's all from a Dawn Of War game Victory thingy.
>>82299876Citation needed. Give an exact source for the sterilized stuff.
>>82299916Correct. The human population rebelled, then the Tau colonized their world, the human population dropped, and sterilization was speculated on as a possible cause. However, this ending isn't even the canonical ending for that video game, so we have zero canonical examples of the Tau sterilizing anybody.
>>82299890>i don't need proof for my my claim but you doboring try harder.
>>82299916yes, yes, and yes.It was part of the Tau victory spiel for Dawn of War: Dark Crusade. The Tau had pacified the world and it was ostensibly part of their empire until the IG show up and the world revolts. So after pacifying it for a SECOND time, the humans are rounded up into internment camps and their population drops considerably, it's left open to interpretation whether this is due to sterilization or due to men and women being kept separate.
>>82299802Yeah, and they sterilize you too. God Emperor be praised you dirty heretic.
>>82299939That's how the burden of proof works. By its very nature, it is impossible to prove a true negative statement with evidence. For example, I cannot prove that you are NOT a faggot, since there is no evidence to suggest such a thing is true.
>>82299961The Gladius video game says that the Imperium dumps sex suppressants and contraceptive chemicals in the water and food supply of their cities. The only stop it when they need an excess of men for war.
>>82299758Pretty bad since they castrate you
>>82299970>canon is a defined thing>claim this thing falls outside it>i have no proof that it not canon.concession accepted.
>>82299981 Imagine if the Tau actually got the idea to make some of the females have big titties in order to use them to seduce people into joining their army? Do you think they just do plastic surgery or are scientifically engineered to be enlarged and train them to encourage Army people to grab them?
>>82300004Oh, so we're doing this again? Very well. Warhammer 40k is a setting about big-tittied giantesses who like to do lewd things to human men, and everybody gets along peacefully and there's no war or suffering. There's no canon so my view is just as valid as everybody elses.
>>82300005>Do you think they just do plastic surgery or are scientifically engineered to be enlarged and train them to encourage Army people to grab them?The latter, it's one of the defining goals of my Pleasure Cult to increase the booba!
>>82300004 Wanted someone tells you that Space Marine white to grab Tau female by the butt and bring them to there home as sex slaves?Go look up burden of proof.
>>82300021What are Emperor's Children for 500 rapes?
>>82300000The digits tho.
>>82299849And this is different from not being born rich in the US (minus sterilization) how?
You get to eat recycled shit for rations and you're used as cannon fodder and after the battle you're executed by the fire caste because they're paranoid you're going to accidentally summon a demon of the greater good. It's like working alongside the inquisition, but you're a filthy species traitor.
>>82300213Still better than the Imperium where the majority of the population are chaos cultists who actively engage in torture for shits and giggles.
>>82300221the majority of the population aren't chaos cultists, they're Emperor cultists, dummy.
>>82300235Nope, the majority of the Imperium's population are Khorne cultists engaged in active genocide against their own population, and the average lifespan of the imperium citizen is 2 months old.
>>82300243>Nope, the majority of the Imperium's population are Khorne cultists engaged in active genocide against their own population, and the average lifespan of the imperium citizen is 2 months old."ME DAMN IT DAVE, WHERE DO YOU EVEN KEEP GETTING THIS MANY BABIES?!?!"
>>82300243not supported by the canon
>>82300293Neither is the shit >>82300213 said but I already know y'all are going to say "Warhammer 40k has no canon" so fuck it, I'm just gonna make shit up like the rest of you.
>>82300243I wish I was a Khorne cultist. No thought, no worries, only the primality of aggression and the feeling of the axe in my hands. Sometimes when I kill coyotes, I like to bury the axe in them, wrench it out, and then slam them again. Imagine the catharsis that would come from reaching a breaking gunline and wailing against the heaving mass of men as they panic and draw their knives and scramble forward because they know the commissar's waiting for them to turn. I would die instantly but I would be killing and I would be killed doing it, and when I died I would be taken to the Immaterium to be killed and try to kill over and over again, for an infinity of subjective time looped back in on itself. I can't imagine a more worthy deity to worship. No high pretenses, no empty praises, just the expectation of violence and to receive violence in turn. I pity the people that don't understand the purity of rage.
>>82300268"How did you get your hands on a vitaewomb?""How are you getting it to produce so many babies in such a short amount time?!""Why shouldn't I sick the Hounds on you for padding your numbers?!?"
>>82300337>"How did you get your hands on a vitaewomb?"mechanicus mail order catalog.>>82300337>"How are you getting it to produce so many babies in such a short amount time?!"poured in some day old recaf.short amount time?!""Why shouldn't I sick the Hounds on you for padding your numbers?!?"*shrugs*
>>82299758You're like a Soviet Citizen. A real one, not the US meme, so complacent and better fed with commie blocks and far superior urban planning.But you're still living under a totalitarian one party state with propaganda blasting 24/7.
>>82299961For fuck's sake, the humans of Kronos were violently resisting Tau control no matter what the blueberries did, so they weren't Gue'vesa but normal Gue'la.You can argue this makes them domineering, which is true, and that they will not tolerate dissent, which is also true, but to claim the fate of one hostile enemy population is the norm for all friendly peoples assimilated into the empire is disingenuous.
>>82299758Canonically you'll either be eventually killed because they figure out that the warp exists and humans can bring demons into reality, and that is contradictory to the tau idea of equality or equity or the greater good or whatever communist terms they're using nowadays.CANONICALLY they will kill you for being human eventually, unless you run off to some tau enclave not officially supported by the crystal forehead caste government.>>82299916>>82299937semi-canonically ((which is the only real canon since the whole idea of fucking warhammer 40,000 is that everything you read in canon has been passed down and through rumor and myth for at least centuries and usually thousands of years)) you can expect to be mistreated, used as cannon fodder, POSSIBLY sterilized, and sent to labor camps or just outright killed unless YOU VERY SPECIFICALLY ARE IN A NICHE ENCLAVE THAT DOESN'T DO THAT
>>82300510>you can expect to be mistreated, used as cannon fodder, POSSIBLY sterilized, and sent to labor camps or just outright killed unless YOU VERY SPECIFICALLY ARE IN A NICHE ENCLAVE THAT DOESN'T DO THATNah, that ain't canon at all.
>>82300018your pic isn't from Warhammer 40,000.What was that anime with the giant elves in space? It was a mecha anime I think.
>>82300510You really need to work on your citation because the latest lore about Gue'vesa comes from the aero book and it says that the Gue'vesa are really happy under the T'au and their population tripled in a few years after joining the T'au Empire.
>>82300546How much of that was from refugees fleeing the (((Imperium)))?
>>82300557Probably a lot since most humans that join are the Tau are from conquered Imperium world's.
>>82300557The story was set on a single world. Remember Taros? That's it. The population increase was by natural birth.
>>82300557The Tau Empire was literally horrified by the conditions humans lived in when they came across an Imperium Hive World that they conquered, and they resettled the humans on other planets to live in more humane conditions.Let me repeat that: The Tau are literally horrified by how the Imperium treats its own humans.
You know I sorta want a series of short stories based on Gue'vesa who recently joined the Tau.Seeing as most humans are raised into believing that Humanity are the greatest and most merciful race to ever be and that's they it's ok to work a 20 hour work day and go to church for the rest of your time off and hopefully reach the rip age of 30. To go from that to suddenly living in this new system that gives them much more new freedoms and thought.
>>82300654Source for that please?
>>82300390>mechanicus mail order catalog."Why shouldn't I send you to Iggy and the Birds for even being able to read that damned thing?">poured in some day old recaf."That... can't be good for them...">*shrugs*"Come on man, just killing vat babies you made in the first place sounds like CHEATING, and you KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT CHEATING!""...You can't at least raise some of them into a child army?""Baby Skulls may be great since their small size allows you to stick them into nooks and crannies, but we're starting to run a surplus and they do NOT store in bulk well...">>82300540>What was that anime with the giant elves in space? It was a mecha anime I think.>Doesn't know what Macross is on /tg/*Seething Hatred Intensifies*
>>82300709Broken Sword, as spoken by a former Imperial citizen himself:"You say we are given a choice. You know as well as I do that there is no choice. My choice was given to me while I was slowly bleeding to death on Gormen’s Fast. A kroot rifle blade had cut clean through my femoral artery. Everyone else from my platoon was dead. I’d got a tourniquet on it but I didn’t have long, and already the kroot were starting to feast on the dead. I tried not to watch that, but the noises…I figured, you know, that was it. I was done for. Praise the Emperor, long live the Imperium of Man, goodbye Captain Jathen Korling.The shas’vre of the warrior team that had blasted half my men to shreds called the kroot off, they checked the dead, found me. Medical support was there within seconds. The medic must have seen my stripes because a few minutes later there was Skilltalker, giving me the Greater Good chapter and verse while a bunch of earth caste patched me up. I cut through what he was saying, I was dog-tired, used up, half dead, in point of fact. I’d been put on the front to die – a shield for the high-brass, only they’d died and I hadn’t. I’d had enough of high words to last me a lifetime.He was patient, and took my interruption with good grace."Cont...
>>82300709>>82300769"‘I betray the Imperium for your Greater Good,’ I said. I’d heard how it worked. I’d seen tau tech openly for sale, even seen a couple of the water guys roaming about Mainstreet unopposed. I’d heard about the planets that surrendered without a shot. I’d also heard that the tau killed everyone that didn’t throw in with them. Enslaved those that did, sometimes murdered the willing anyway. You’ll forgive me again, I’m sure. Honesty, yeah? This is what we were told, you’re xenos scum, worst of the worst, that make traitors of honest men. ‘What if I don’t?’Skilltalker smiled, showing me his big square teeth. Such an expressive face, he had. You’re stolid to us, you know that? Most of you wrinkle your noses when you’re happy, and shas’la always look kind of pissed off, but other than that you tau don’t do facial expressions. I’ve had all the careful lectures about how aliens can’t appreciate the Tau’noh’por, the concern that comes with that lack of understanding. I don’t think you realise that you’re condescending, unaware of your own limitations. Sure, even after they resculpt my vocal cords, I’m never going to manage the threefold stances of subtle disharmony, no matter how many times you make me dance through it. I can’t differentiate between the fourteen tones. Fine. Come back and tell me off when one of you can wink.Skilltalker was different. All the por’la have such telling faces, but Skilltalker was different even from them. There was such warmth and humour to him. I… I miss him, you know?‘Then you may die with honour,’ he said to me.This wasn’t a threat. I think he could tell he had me already. He said this with a real twinkle in his eye, like we were in on a joke together."Cont...
>>82300709>>82300780"Death or life. It’s never a real choice, is it? Not for the sane. ‘Where do I sign?’ I said. He laughed. That was a noise I was going to appreciate as time went on. He loved life, Skilltalker.I was carried off on a stretcher by the fio’la. As I was lifted up, I saw I was being carried right past a line of other scared, wounded men who’d just watched one of their officers turn his coat at the drop of a medpack, and that was that. Skilltalker was giving his lecture to them as they pushed me into the transport. I don’t think a single one said no. You are not a stupid people, I’ll give you that.I was relocated to Dal’yth, along with a lot of other Fasters. I’m not complaining. Good luck turning it around, I say. You’re welcome to it.I’ve been back here on Dal’yth these last five months… a half tau’cyr, convalescing. They’ve got me working alongside the water caste in the acclimatisation programme, dealing with new commonwealth citizens relocated from across the Damocles Gulf. I watched the gue’la coming in from Mu’gulath Bay. Pale, half-starved, terrified. Watching their fear go is the most remarkable thing. Watching their amazement grow is the second most remarkable thing. I thought Gormen’s Fast was a dump, but compared to the hives of Agrellan, it was okay, and this place is a paradise."Cont...
>>82300793>>82300709"You give us all a choice, but there really is no choice, not a real one. I know that.I remember when Hincks got it, gunned down by those swine outside of Hive Chaeron. I went to see his widow a few days ago. Nice place she’s got now. Good support from the sept authorities. Hincks’s kids are growing up to be model citizens. His boy says he wants to go into the gue’vesa auxiliaries like his uncle Jathen. He’s a healthy lad, tall and strong. I can’t help think what kind of life he’d have back on Gormen’s Fast. Probably be half-blind from working in the gossamer plants. Or dead. And yet there he is, cared for and fed and as strong as an ambull calf. Remarkable.I’m still waiting for the catch..."
>>82300531>>82300546>>82300557>>82300585>>82300654>>82300769>>82300780>>82300793>>82300802Wow you went from jacking off to tau porn to jacking off to walls of text.
>>82300841>Wow you went from jacking off to tau porn to jacking off to walls of text.Why do you think I went from one to the other? I can do two things at once.
>>82300841>jacking off to walls of textAs is proper. Reject nu-/tg/, embrace tradition of old smutty /tg/
>>82300769>>82300780>>82300793>>82300802You know I recall why I do like the Tau a lot. It's the juxtaposition they have compared to the rest of the galaxy. Any other race would be glad for killing a IoM ship while a Tau commander would feel empathy for the thousands of lives that are taken with every hit. Be shocked at how guided torpedoes are using human brains or at how it turns out that walker wasn't a drone but had a ancient human grafted into it like a tomb.
>>82300857>>82300941Impressive. You've convinced me desu. Your humbleness and appeal to tradition has swayed me to your argument for tau.They do canonically kill humans as a factions though when they find out they create demons. This is widely accepted as the canon with multiple examples.While the sterilization may not be true, they do purge humans at a certain point in the lore. But this may have been retconned just a year ago given how annoyingly often GW does that.When I was reading the Tau Omnibus I really enjoyed how the DeathWatch marine who was captured by Tau laughed at them for naivete, and then like 150 pages later there was a story about a betrayal of Gue'vesa by Tau after they learned the chaos forces were a kind of human faction.
>>82300985>They do canonically kill humans as a factions though when they find out they create demons.So does the Imperium, this is not special.
do we need to have these threads all the fuckinnn time
>>82300985>They do canonically kill humans as a factions though when they find out they create demons. This is widely accepted as the canon with multiple examples.Here we go again. Citation needed. Everything you said is just fanfiction.
>>82300991>>82301020It's the Psychic Awakening: The Greater Good book retard. You really are jerking off to Tau emotionally too.
>>82300301Corpse starch is actually made of corpses and is an Imperium staple food. I'm pretty sure that fits a loose definition of "recycled shit".
>>82301054Can you quote where it says they're going to kill all humans?
>>82301072>and is an Imperium staple foodYes, an IMPERIUM staple food
>>82301086That's what I said. The Imperium eats recycled shit.
>>82301074No, I read the book at a Books A Million and I don't own a pdf.
>>82299802>>82299860>>82299937>Red haired girl with a flame patterned bra in a big-ass mech. ....Fuck, now I can't stop thinking of what would happen if the Tau got Spiral Power.
>>82301074>>82301109It's not the whole faction, it's a subset of the Tau that were on the ship and saw the Greater Good Daemon. The book doesn't outright come out and say that the humans are being butchered by the Tau, but it's heavily implied by the text. If I remember correctly, several Tau commanders request that the human attachments be removed, but this is denied. The human units then mysteriously experience a 100% fatality rate in the next few engagements and the officials take note at how coldly and without remorse the Tau commanders report it.
>>82301054I fucking read the book, you liar. The Fucking Fourth Sphere start killing humans behind the main force backs and then get caught and arrested for it.
Man I'm about sick of all you retards missing the point of the Tau and the Imperium.The Imperium is a fucking terrible place for 99.999% of humanity. The best you could realistically hope for is to be born on some backwater agriworld and live a simple life of farming. Odds are you'll be born in some irradiated shithole hive and the best thing you'll ever do is find a funny or odd way to die. Assuming you don't die some other way first.The Tau Empire is by all accounts a pretty nice place to live. They've got great technology, they're open to new ideas, they want to establish themselves with diplomacy, and generally value life. But there are seeds of authoritarianism and xenophobia. Those seeds have not taken root, not fully, but they are there and events like the Fourth Sphere Expansion are meant to highlight that they exist. This is important because the Tau Empire is doomed. They will become what the Imperium is, because they are everything that the Imperium was. Once upon a time Man set to the stars from a single planet with value for life, impressive technology, and a desire to find friends among the stars. We all know how that turned out. The galaxy hasn't gotten any less cold and heartless in the 20,000 years since, why would it not shape the Tau the same way it shaped the Imperium?
>>82301285Because the Tau don't have an absolute shitbag like the Emperor calling the shots.
>>82301285Not according to Eldrad. The future is T'au.
I like to think that there are still independent human worlds out there that managed to dodge the Imperium's cull where they actually advanced down an alternate tech path to the Imperium. I wonder how the Tau would respond to encountering a free-standing human world that could manage to do to them what that one world did to the Imperium where they ended up having to toss asteroids at it because any ships that got close were kerploded and husked.
>>82301356>>82301356Already happened in FFG material. The T'au found a planet run by DAoT AI and Iron men with enslaved humans.The T'au fought them to a stalemate and then blockaded the world to prevent the Imperium from learning about it.
>>82301374FFG really got 40k lore better than GW did.
>>823012921) Big E wasn't calling the shots when mankind got fucked back to a fistfull of scattered worlds.2) If Big E were actually calling the shots directly and never needed to settle for indirect maybe-rule from the Golden Toilet mankind would be in a better place than it is now. Blame Lorgar for the current state of mankind.>>82301346And the present is Humanity. The future being Tau doesn't mean they get to stay a good place to live, just that they will take humanity's place. Which is exactly what I posit.
>>82301408He was driving the Imperium straight into a ditch. He treated his sons like inanimate tools and other humans even worse. Nothing good could come of that.
>>82301408>And the present is Humanity. The future being Tau doesn't mean they get to stay a good place to live, just that they will take humanity's place. Which is exactly what I posit.Eldrad said that the T'au would conquer the darkness within themselves and achieve things greater than the greatest feats of the Aeldari. Sounds like a bright future to me.
>>82301374So yeah, they've handled it better than the Imperium did. If I remember right, the Imperium had moments where they encountered human worlds where the Astartes were outfought by uparmored PDF forces to the point where they screeched, withdrew, and carried out an exterminatus out of pure spite.
>>82301285Except there WERE good empires that formed even after the Age of Strife such as the Interex and the Diasporex.
>>82301346>the eldar said it so it must be truetime for another cultural exchange? kek.
>>82301408>Big E wasn't calling the shots when mankind got fucked back to a fistfull of scattered worldsNo but he did fuck over ever other human civilization and killed every neutral alien in the galaxy.
>>82300956Yeah say that you will but the Tau at least bother to send out diplomats still.
>>82299758Better standards of living and life expectancy than the Imperial average. No political enfranchisement or toleration of serious dissent, but imperials didn't have those anyway. The "sterilised and sent to camps" meme is definitely exaggerated but also still more humane than whatever the Imperium would do to people who did the same things. Tau lives will be prioritised over yours but again, there's a solid chance the Imperium would also leave you to die if it decided it needed to.
>>82299802>>82299830>actually believing the propagandaNot sure if actually retarded or merely memeing.
>>82300213>You get to eat recycled shit for rationsJust like the Imperium >you're used as cannon foddeJust like the Imperium>after the battle you're executed by the fire caste because they're paranoid you're going to accidentally summon a demonChange fire caste to Inquisition and you have Just like the Imperium
>>82303217there is no neutrality you bug ridden hippy.there is mankind and there are targets.fuck off with your startrek all is fine and happy setting.you stand and die for your race or you get wipd from the anals of history.
>>82303473The imperium and eldar also have diplomats. It's a very big galaxy.
>>82300997>do we need to have these threads all the fuckinnn timeWhat these threads?
>>82300323I understand that feel.
>>82299758Castrated work slave, so slightly better than in the empire
>>82304734Dunno, if I had to choose between 14 hour days but castration and 16 hour days but working dick I would go with 16 hour days desu.
>>82300263>>82300337>>82300766>tranny questfag RPingTop shelf cringe.
>>82303631Don't forget the Imperium will also execute you for being a pure and model citizen so they have purified blood to consecrate Grey Knight bullets with.
You will now all talk about Admech joining the Greater Good
>>82300546They'll all get genocided when the Ethereals realize that the humans will outnumber everyone the moment they annex a single big hive world.
Daily reminder any "lore" you see in "novels" are non-canon. Only Codex lore is canon.
>>82305187In the lore, the T'au annexed 5 Hiveworlds and took a portion of their populations to their core worlds, and settled them there.Get anything else to say? The T'au know that humanity outnumber them vastly. Like 10K humans per 1 T'au by the latest estimates. They aren't bothered by it much since they know that the Greater Good cannot be beaten and in fact the lore says that the T'au have always prevailed so far.
>>82305218Wrong. Only novel lore is canon and reliable since codexes are propaganda.
>>82305241Tiny hiveworlds. A big hiveworld has more humans in it than there are Tau in the galaxy. 10k humans per 1 Tau is a wrong estimate- it's more like 10 million humans per 1 Tau. And that's still being generous to the Tau.
>>82305252Novel lore contradicts itself consistently and is written by biased beings who only have half-accurate views of what is actually happening. It's all pure fiction, I.E not real. So not canon.
>>82305286Wrong. Codex lore contradicts itself like in the Necron codex which said on one page that a specific dynasty was destroyed by Orks and on another page, it says it was destroyed by Hrud. GW stated outright that their rulebooks are not reliable lore sources since they are from the perspective of Imperials. Source is the Stu Black podcast on Warhammer com.The majority of 40K novels are written from the omniscient third-person narrator pov. So they are more reliable.
>>82299849>You are sterilizedGetting tired of this. One non-canon story and everyone keeps spewing that.And it wasn't even confirmed in that story that the Tau actually sterilized people, it was just one hateful Tau that felt humans SHOULD be sterilized.
>>82305274>Tiny hiveworlds.Nowhere does it say they were tiny. And that's false. T'au city. Single T'au cities on a single T'au world that's not a core world supports billions of T'au and non-T'au. And the T'au Empire is made up from more than a hundred systems way more now.The Farsight expedition fleet, for example, had 100 billion T'au in addition to billions more non-T'au on aboard.
>>82303677>there is no neutrality you bug ridden hippy.>there is mankind and there are targets.>fuck off with your startrek all is fine and happy setting.>you stand and die for your race or you get wipd from the anals of history. And some people wonder why neo-nazis love this game.
>GW openly states (once again) that every faction in 40k is evil as fuck>taufags immediately chimpout a start REEEEEEEEEEEEing how their faction is actually goodNot even the worst IoM fanboys are as bad as this desu senpai.
>>82305767StrawmanPeople are arguing about the degree, not is or not.
>>82304966imagine been an average /k/anon of the Imperium, only to have the new guns you design vetoed by the Mechanicus for being too efficient and therefore heretical, only them to join the Tau and get access to all those new and shinny toys.A idea I've had for quite some time is about a group of /K/haos worshipers going around the galaxy just looting and pillaging for new guns from different factions, only to use them to pillage for more guns ad infinitum>/K/haos worshipers, servants of /K/horne, Guns for the Gun God, Bullets for the Bullet Throne, Da/KK/a
>>82305328So it's battletech school of thought that is true to 40k as well. Good to know.
>>82304752To be honest more correct way would be - 9 hours a day and not castrated with tau and 22 hours a day and your balls and dick are cut off with imperium. Or 24 and they lobotomize you too, you are still in there, but can't do anything just watch the world around you.
>>82300323So...you just want to be an ork? You are aware khorne cultists are just more boring orks.
>>82304966Didn’t the Tau actually managed to covert a few Admech only for them to turn out to be the dumb kinda that didn’t even know how a combustion engine worked and only knew how to light candles and push buttons after 40 minutes of prayers.
>>82299758More interested in what other weird aliens are part of the empire and how they interact with their new masters.
>>82299802This is some headcanon bullshit.Human worlds in T'au Empire are either largely left on their own, with T'au government observing their behavior after introducing them to their belief system, or mass sterilized for further T'au colonization. And humans mostly operate on their own technology, both civilian and military, and only officers get some fancy gadgets.
>>82299758The same as anyone else in the WH40K universe: Not good
>>82304870>funko pop space marine figuresDisgusting.Nendoroid or nothing.
>>82307195Citation needed. >inb4 fails to deliver anything.
I like the Tau because they're what happens when a starfaring alien race from a more "generic" sci-fi setting is dropped into a galaxy that works nothing like those other generic settings.The other races look at the Tau and see them as weak, naive, and completely ignorant of the threat of chaos, and they're 100% correct.The Tau look at the other races and see them as backward-thinking, callous, and cruel, and they're also 100% correct.The Tau were sheltered from the rest of a galaxy in an almost LITERAL bubble for thousands of years. They might as well come from totally different settings.
its like being a cuck bugmen who cucks to other cuck bugmen in endless chain of progressively more cucked bugmen.Couldn’t be me.>luv me wife >luv me emperor>’ate xoynosSimple as
>>82299802>>82299860>>82299937>torchstar>no poofy 80's hair>no sports bra>no baggy sweatpantsDo better.
>>82309025So you are a GSC cultist, greatest enemy of the emperor. And also lowliest life form of the nids
>>82305898>A idea I've had for quite some time is about a group of /K/haos worshipers going around the galaxy just looting and pillaging for new guns from different factions, only to use them to pillage for more guns ad infinitumAside from being human you've just described Freebootas
>>82310027It's just bunch of chaos and imperial fags not wanting to admit that orks won 40k.
>>82299916>>82299950DoW is not Canon spergs. I don't even play the miniature game and know that lol
>>82310289Well people have to somehow make themselves feel better when even GW called them out as retards for thinking imperium was the good guys (seeing as they were greatest enemy to humanity since great crusade days)
>>82306194No, they took them prisoner and tortured information out of them
>>82303677>there is no neutrality you bug ridden hippy.Yes, there was. There were dozens of alien races that were neutral or amicable to humanity and never attacked it once.The Imperium slaughtered them all to the last then forgot about them all whilst treating every last member of humanity like fucking fetid garbage (thus bolstering Chaos) and blindly lashing out at anything that comes near like the dying beast that it is.
>>82305767The Tau have a seed of evil within them, they are not evil on the whole. Whether or not that seed grows into something much worse is entirely up in the air.
>>82313600>angry they didn't come up with it first>imagine how effective the zulu army would have been if each had an AK
>>82299860>The Sept’s humans (referred to by the Tau as ‘Gue’la’) adhere not to the Imperial Creed, but to the Tau ideal of the Greater Good. The Tau teach that the perfect society, one modelled after the Tau themselves, has a place for every creature; with every creature in that place, fulfilling their assigned roles without question, for the good of the Sept as a whole. Imperial religion is prohibited and the Tau Water Caste run education (and re-education) programs that instil an understanding and love of the Greater Good into the sometimes reluctant gue’la minds. POPULATIONS ARE REGULARLY STERILISED to prevent population growth outstretching Tau methods of control. Human transgressors against the Greater Good are not publicly executed, as is the Imperial way, for the Tau see no need to publicise the fates of those who oppose them. Instead, such gue’la simply disappear, and it is the way of the Greater Good to convince oneself that they never existed at all.From Deathwatch core rules
Why the fuck does everyone want to fuck Tau? They're weird fish people with hooves and forehead holes, what the fuck is sexy about that
>>82314165Deathwatch is third party (FFG) so it's not canon to what the fluff currently is.
>>82299758Chinese "citizen" but you're not Han Chinese>>82299802>are given better training and equipment in times of warAs opposed to gretchin?I'm not sure the fluff has even approached what a T'au planet is like to live on during total war, even Imperial worlds get pretty idyllic at times if they're not one of the industrial shitholes or deathworlds only colonised because of a super rare material found nowhere else in the galaxy>>82299988>video game loreYeah and Dawn of War blew up 100s of baneblades on a single planet
>>82300451As a reminder, Ukrainians were Soviet citizens in the 1930s.
>>82314231That isn't how 40k canon works. I can get quotes for that too. We've already shifted the goalposts from "there is no example" to "well I like these other ones more". Fucking lmao.
>>82313600There's so much wrong with thisWhite nationality, white language, white film, white character in photographArm-to-arm Europeans were BTFO by some Chinese horsemen with ranged bowsThe gun was invented by the ChineseSpears are CLOSE CONTACT?>>82314024There were the Dahomey amazons, gun wielding women in AfricaFrench observers complimented them then completely destroyed them, twice
>>82307195>or mass sterilizedSee >>82299860
>>82314231Why are GW drones so obsessed with what is currently canon according to their shitty company? GW's "official" lore is worse in almost every way compared to the third party content, and as >>82314311 says GW (at least used to be) quite open to people making their own lore because the entire purpose of the setting is to create a framework for Your Dudes to shine.
>>82310321>when even GW called them out as retards>respecting anything that GW says
>>82314273>As opposed to gretchin?As opposed to an Imperial Guardsman.
>>82314359>and as >>82314311 says GW (at least used to be) quite open to people making their own lore because the entire purpose of the setting is to create a framework for Your Dudes to shine.The problem is that everybody is trying to tell us what the lore for OUR dudes is.
>>82314339>"that's non-canon, you're a secondary who hasn't read any lore">posts image of anime heaving chest """water caste""" T'au inside a battlesuit with flame decals
>>82314359 It’s not some abstract homerule shit either. Its a roleplaying game GW paid to be made and had various GW employees overseeing and giving advice on. It is official in every sense of the word.>But it make me amgy becauz I was smug and proven rong :( Fucking fags I swear to god.
>>82314395Why should I care what's canon when none of the Imperium-fags do?
>>82314165Even this smoking gun of yours states the sterilization is only to limit growth rather than outright genocide humans via dicksnipping. And for a species that's super obsessed with eugenics that's hardly surprising.
>>82314414Anon, this thread is about what's canon.If nothing is, then living in the Empire < living in the Imperium < living in some random ork tribe < living on a daemon world can be justified by saying "because I said so" whilst posting some censored hentai tentacle porn where the characters are drawn pink, blue, green and red to represent the four factions of chaos.Here's a Fire Warrior. It's 40K artwork. There aren't any tits. I don't think you're interested in 40K. I think you only like tits and if no-one drew weeb tits onto 40K, you'd have never come here.
>>82314465It was in reply to some retard saying "they do not do it". They only do it on human populations when they get uppity or the Tau need to thin the herd as it were, otherwise they keep up the pretence of being the friendly misunderstood aliens next door.
>>82314495Imperium does the same thing, only they throw the local population through the Guard meat grinder while replacing their homeplanet's population with a more desirable one. There's literally no crime the tau commit that the Imperium doesn't commit on a far more heinous scale and intensity.
>>82310289>source my blown out assholekek they won't need to sterilize you.
>>82314526Are you fucking brain delayed or something? I'm not talking about the Imperium, I'm talking about the Tau. >Imperium evil :(Ok?
>>82314526>y- yeah well the Imperium does it tooAnd the backpedalling begins through whataboutism>tithes are genocide>the Imperium does population replacement because they think one group of cannon fodder is better than another groupWhere the hell did you get these ideas from?
>>82314375Implying there is a difference:https://regimental-standard.com/2020/03/11/grot-or-guardsman/>>82314389The problem is people insisting their shitty headcanons are true on a thread meant to discuss lore, such that it is.
>>82314558Are you? People constantly bring up sterilization as if it's unique to the tau.>>82314561>Where the hell did you get these ideas from?I'll be fucked if I bother to find it, but there was one story about a planet that was colonized by beastmen and since they're still considered sanctioned a abhumans, the local administration got rid of then by giving them an unrealistically high tithe and replacing them with normal humans.
>>82314359>why do bootlicking tau fans appeal to the authority of big daddy GW to save them from the reality of the 40k setting applying to the tau just like the other factions?it is a mystery
>>82314581>Are you? People constantly bring up sterilization as if it's unique to the tau.Go tell them then. Because it has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I don't give a fuck about whatever retarded online arguement you've come from on youtube or reddit or whatever.
>>82314331brohow do you not understand that people on twitter can be trolls toohow do so many people not understand this actually
>>82314570>The problem is people insisting their shitty headcanons are true on a thread meant to discuss loreThe problem is that Warhammer 40k has no canon
>>82299884Imperial fringe worlds might not have seen a tithe collector in 300 years, but the opening of the rulebook makes it clear that being a citizen in the average Imperium is utterly horrible. The Imperium is the most brutal regime ever conceived by humanity. The average citizen would be considered fortunate to face chattel conditions. Your point about security has SOME weight to it, but while you may be less likely to face an orbital bombardment from the enemy, you are a dozen times more likely to face orbital bombardment from your allies.Tau humans may not get a vote, but they aren't ground into a paste and then skull-wired to live an agonizing eternity screaming as a cybernetic forklift with a chip in your brain preventing you from performing the sort of scream your situation demands.
>>82314581>but there was one story aboutThe Imperium hates mutants.We're talking about HUMANS in the T'au Empire, not mutants, not even sanctioned mutants.The Imperium doesn't treat normal humans as second class citizens like the T'au does.
>>82300235Emperor is a warp entity, now.
>>82314717>The Imperium doesn't treat normal humans as second class citizens like the T'au does.Correct, it treats them worse.
>>82314165Deathwatch is not canon in any way shape or form. Take your meds and inhale a shotgun (not necessarily in that order), wojak-posting faggot.
>>82314731I didn't think anon could be so wrong until now.
>>82299849>You are sterilizedif you rebel
>>82314717You are correct. It treats them worse in every conceivable way. You are literally bending over backwards to defend a polity that treats its own people worse than every faction not named the Drukkari or Chaos.
>>82314747Humans in the Tau Empire are, if nothing else, well fed, while in the Imperium they're quite literally starving.
It disgusts me that faggots insist on making the Imperium a shadow of what it was at its inception. 3E was peak, everything else has been downhill. Bet they're the same faggots advocating for ethical necromancy.
>>82300693You can read Greater Evil, a short by Fehervari.Gue'vesa voluntarily get their skin tattooed blue to honor the Tau, they get pathfinder equipment, and are kept separate from the Tau bunks with their own co-ed living quarters.
>>82314747>humans in the Tau Empire: literally treated well, kept fed and happy, willfully fight for the good of their Empire and the Greater Good>humans in the Imperium: starving wasting wretches literally covered in their own shit and doomed to be less than fucking chattel till the day they die. Those who end up becoming psykers, becoming soldiers or having a general profession are often treated even worse with the end goal of either being fed to the Emperor or fighting and dying to either horrific abominations or getting a bolter round placed in their skull by Mr. Dickfuck McCommissarface
>>82301054Are you the same idiot who read Kauyon and got mad because you thought Shadowsun beat the Raven Guard Chapter master in melee with fusion blades?
>>82314755>orkz: society is murder, currency is teeth, getchin & other species are food and slaves combined>imperium: species purity but grants autonomy to its people>t'au: species purity but abuses other species to its own end, grants zero autonomy to its people>'nids: literal hive mind drowning out all sense of self and sending you into the goop bucket if you're not needed>necrons: depends on edition if you're slaves to the C'tan or you're slaves to the metal not-Pharaohs>dark eldar & chaos: you already said>eldar: the least shit?So you're bending over backwards to try and find a way to say "B- b- but the T'au aren't bad because... Imperium!"Face it, they hate humanity>>82314756Imagine believing the memes, it really must suck to live on a T'au worldEver heard of a Grox steak? It's great>>82314789Keep wearing those hats the T'au tell you to, no no, those are your own thoughts, not the ones they're putting in your head...
>>82301408Big E has been psychic and immortal since the dawn of humanity. He was the asshole who actually betrayed humanity and got them wiped out in the DAoT so that he could rise to power and control the remainder.
>>82314866The Imperium is so dogshit a society thag Games Workshop needed to issue an official statement clarifying that people who think it has redeeming qualities are wrong.
>>82314866>it really must suck to live on a T'au worldWhy would it suck?
>>82314883Isn't every society in 40K absolute dogshit. It is a grimdark setting
>>82305328Codex lore says that Longstrike headshot a Warhound on Taros. But in the Taros campaign guide, the Admech brought 4 Warhounds to Taros. One got absolutely obliterated by Tigersharks, and another got screwed up, but was still mobile. The three remaining evacuated the planet on super heavy drop ships and got flown the fuck off because Admech thought them too expensive to lose on a backwater.
>>82301346When has Eldrad ever gotten anything right?If anything that proves that Tau are about to get dunked on.
>>82307195Gue'vesa have fucking life insurance.
>>82314866What autonomy does the average human enjoy being a hive world factory drone? Some snot-nosed inbred noble will inherit ownership over your life from his daddy but you're supposed to feel good about that because at least that noble is the same species as yourself? You want autonomy, join Chaos, I'll take the three square meals a day that the Tau are offering.
>>82314222>tau are leathery, desert mammals with hooves>fishThis association never fails to fascinate me.
>>82315001It's cause all their tanks are named after fish. The Tau brought it on themselves.
>>82314359GW has a loose relationship with canon because it allows them to write stories without much fear of contradiction. IE, they don't have to pay a loremaster to double and triple check every reference, and if a story is cool, regardless of whether it makes sense with others, it sells minis.
>>82314883>gw is retarded and doesn't know there own lore >they also want to appeal to woke retards who will never buy there products at the cost of their actual customers.i can believe it.
>>82299758Better than being a subject of the Imperium in most regards. This is not rigorously based on canon and is purely my personal interpretation of the setting.
>>82301408> If Big E were actually calling the shots directlyHe fucking did, and look at the Imperium now>Blame LorgarWho made Lorgar? Who put Lorgar in charge of 100k super soldiers and an attendant fleet and set him loose in the galaxy?
>>82314866>>imperium grants autonomy to its peopleCitation needed.This is contradicted by the opening paragraphs of the setting, every edition. First pages of the rulebook after the Table of Contents says you don't know what you are talking about. I think you are confusing planets misplaced and neglected by the Administratum as autonomous. For every fringe idyllic agriworld that is outside the full control of the Imperium century to century, there's a five worlds that died because they were equally misplaced but relied on imports to maintain a quality of life.
>>82315015Those names are Imperium designations. Tau call them XV-whatever.
>>82303217To be fair, his hatred of aliens was born from how all of humanity's allies from the DAoT betrayed them after the war wit the Men of Iron left them crippled. He thinks any and every species of alien would do the same, and has experience to back it up.
>>82314906The only dogshit thing about the Tau is the xenophobia, and that's only among the top brass. Which is really mild when you're comparing them to the rest of the galaxy, who seem to be in an active competition to see who can win the biggest Darwin Award.Ogryn might also count, I guess.
>>82314866Ok time to sit down and teach this fucker. Orks treat humans as slaves or if humans fight well enemies. Orks also sometimes treats humans as cute little cosplayers allowing them to join their warbands, even selling them guns. Heck to this day we have same number of cannon cases of Orks saving human children as space marines, and marines got a lot more books about em. Enemy of my enemy for the bit of orks saving human kids. It was Ork boy grabbing a kid that was about to be eaten by a gaunt, kills the gaunt, puts the kid down, runs off.
>>82315222Ogryns in a warped way are probably most xenophiles strain of humans since they will gladly go along and work with orks (as both species respect and like others company) as long as it's base non brain washed ogryn. I wouldn't be surprised if orgyns would get along with tau too, probably end up working as both heavy lifters and in teams of support teams to fight off melee enemies.
>>82299758It's like being a Krieg but even more meaningless.
>>82315723Gonna need some sources for this.
>>82315775I already did anon. For the even with orks. Other neat source is diggas. The tribe of Ork cosplaying humans from Gorkamorka. World is canon (found right now in collection of trazyne), there orks would begrudgingly respect powerful diggas and would find others cute at times. For source of space marines saving small kids, I say one case I have found wasn't a space marine but Vulkan in one of his own short stories saving small baby from a cybernetic gun.
>>82314489>There aren't any titsTo be fair Anon, that one holds a rifle in front of their chest and even if they weren't they'd be wearing armor that obscures the tits or absence of tits anyway. Therefore we don't know if there are in fact no tits in that image.
>>82314495I love this art so goddam muchthese blue aliens come up with all of this advanced tech and tactics and then some fucking gorillas with rockets strapped to their backs just pummel them with hammers(chefs kiss)
>>82316567To be honest, if we going to be accurate to lore, after that fight deathwatch was down around 20 percent, it will take them centuries to recover those loses while for smaller empire like that tau it would take the whole of two weeks.
>>82316800the Deathwatch recruits pulls recruits from nearly every loyalist chapter, so their numbers should be pretty elastic. They can go up or down and the needs warrant.But much more importantly WHO THE FUCK GIVES A SHIT ABOUT """LORE ACCURACY"""?? Mother fucker have you not NOTICED that every goddam thing about warhammer is contradictory, and that GW's literally stated opinion is that "everything is canon, maybe not everything is true" You know what that means? As long as you aren't saying some truly outlandish bullshit like "all orks are actually pink" then there's no such THING as lore accurate!
>>82299758My best guess, weird. Tau provide what they can when they can. Which, isn't always good. Sometimes your still on a Death World or part of the Fire Caste's Auxiliary and they'll expect you to earn your keep. As in die for the Greater Good. However, if they can provide you something better, they will. Where as the Imperium will provide you whatever still exists at where you happen to be. Which, could be really nice or shit.
>>82314273>getting snooty about video game lore>when the idea that Tau MIGHT sterilize humans came from a video game in the first place Hypocrisy, thy name is Imperiumfag.
>>82313600>People getting anal blasted by a tweetIt's any wonder the world hasn't burnt down yet.
>>82300766>What was that anime with the giant elves in space? It was a mecha anime I think. >Doesn't know what Macross is on /tg/ >*Seething Hatred Intensifies*Nigger those aren't zentraedi what the fuck is this shit?
>>82299860It was mentioned once in the Dawn of War computer game (if you win using Tau). Apart from that, not anywhere else apart from weird autsitic spergs who dont like the idea of their carefully collected and painted 'non Tau' armies making them look like nazis.
>>82317035Anon if we talk about something that is cool, then space marines aren't cool any more. Space marines are the boring normies line of ehh, now a fire warrior blasting space marines head off? that is cool Battle suit blowing the shit out of mary sues? Cool Space marine beating up some guardsman who can't do much? Boring as shit. So let's face it you either go accurate, or go boring.
>>82299802>Pretty nice, you have more freedom, better living conditions, are given better training and equipment in times of war, and are given a relatively decent amount of autonomyThen Joe happens to become a Psyker, starts a cult and opens a portal to literal Hell unwittingly that the Tau can't act upon because they don't know what the Warp is, making your great living conditions into literal Hellraiser level of shittery.Or they've decided to let some Drukhari next to you because they seemed like such good guys but oh-oh lights are off...Or a bunch of Orks who totally promised they will behave and follow "Di gritty Gud" will resettle next to you, which will totally be fine and dandy. And all of this remembering they don't have warp drives, so evacuatimg the planet will have to be done at sub-light speeds.And then we have the Tyranids...people REALLY understate how stupidly ass backwards the Tau are as a society.
>>82299758Short, brutal but fairly optimistic.
>>82299758The best fate any person could ask in 40k.Just don't go with the Sphere Expansions, things can get ugly out there...
What was the Farsight Enclaves' policy on outsiders? I don't think I've seen much on it so curious if someone knows.
>>82317292Let's see... Auxilory psychers who are already better controling their powers then anyone in IoM would look after Joe. Drukharii are kill on sight.Orks are trusted by no one in t'au empire ironically making them less likely to ally with them then humans in IoM Warp Drives have been made and invented already (of course you know nothing of 40k lore doesn't surprise me). And tyranids....oddly enough tau are one of the few groups who can deal with tyranids ok since they don't have natural genestealer cults going on.
>>82317344Oh it's just one in five odds of being in the one that was fucked. And that one was executed by the empire.
>>82317352Orks are not trusted (orks love farsight however) and he is very old school about castes so he keeps em separated, but he mostly puts greater good and fucking over chaos above everything so.....only murdering those species that out right are dangerous to the galaxy. Humans can be "fixed"
>>82299849>>82299961>>82299990>believing sterilization is canon or even commonplacelol, lorelets
>>82317394Well mostly in regards to the whole auxiliary and auxiliary humans thing. That the man hates Orks is obvious.
>>82299860>>82299981>>82300000>>82314339>>82314231>>82314465>>82317410It's cannon because I say it is and you can't stop me, bitch.
>>82299961Anon you are aware that sterilization of entire worlds is common place in IoM?
>>82317475It's non-canon plus one more than you everytime because I say it is.
>>82317449Oh, I do believe he holds mostly same views as rest of the empire.
>>82299961Even if a major planet like Armageddon serves the empire as loyally as possible and successfully fight off Orks and an invasion of Daemons, the Inquisition will still try to sterilize and destroy the planet and even threaten to destroy a first founding the Space Wolves when they try to stop such a absolutely idiotic choice.
>>82317490Fair enough. Dunno just like those guys more than the rest as far as Tau go.
>>82317489Incorrect. I say it is and since I'm me it's correct. If you disagree you're wrong because you are a faggot.
>>82317722Nah didn't you read the post, I'm correct+1 so you're incorrect you big dum dum.
>>82317355>Auxilory psychersThat don't exist>Drukharii are kill on sight.No they are not, Tau are notable simps for Eldar.>Orks are trusted by no one in t'au empire ironically making them less likely to ally with them then humans in IoMExcept the Tau have also been trying to bring them into the Greater good without realizing their nature. Like with everybody.>Warp Drives have been made and invented already (of course you know nothing of 40k lore doesn't surprise me).Not used in Tau ships. No I dunno about your jon canon fanfic 40K. I'm literally speaking official.>And tyranids....oddly enough tau are one of the few groups who can deal with tyranids Their literal one confrontation with them split their society in two and gave Farsight a lot more clout.>ok since they don't have natural genestealer cults going on.[Citation needed]
>>82317793>That don't existOkay secondary
>>82299758Abysmal, as the Tau treats non-Tau as slaves and cattle. The Imperium treats humans better.
>>82317793Auxilory xenos have been canon for years anon, fairly recently quite a few of them were executed for turning into daemon spawns in garden of nurgle, but both kroot, humans and many other auxilories can be psychers, many much more potent and control then humans. You realize that tau learned from dealings with dark eldar? Same with orks, tau stopped trying to get orks to go along long time ago. Fact you claim t'au don't have FTL also shows that you don't have even 5 year old books. Tau have normal warp drives already and in lore had them for hundreads of years. They also managed to fight off pretty decent fleets of nids as of late, and since they dont have GSC (as their caste system prevents cults from happening), they don't have to be afraid of them like the imperials where cults have entire worlds join them quite often.Now please give me your source of them trying to have orks join them for greater good in recent lore...
>82317845This is some proper shit bait. Like really shit.
Well, if there’s one thing the Imperium does prove, it’s that you can subject people to conditions worse than North Korea for no reason other than your own amusement and they’ll gladly endure it because you made a few token remarks of ethno-nationalism.
>>82299758>What is it like being a Gue'vesa in the Tau Empire?It's like being race traitors.Better dead than blue. Better dead than cucks.
>>82317849>Auxilory xenos have been canon for years anon, fairly recently quite a few of them were executed for turning into daemon spawns in garden of nurgle, but both kroot, humans and many other auxilories can be psychers, many much more potent and controlYou said Auxiliary psykers that know jow to avoid demon spawning better than what is known in the Imperium, somethi g that implies better knowledge on the Warp than what the Imperium had which is blatantly non canon. >You realize that tau learned from dealings with dark eldar?Again I have NOT seen them do so I have no reason to think they did.>Same with orks, tau stopped trying to get orks to go along long time ago.Ditto.>Fact you claim t'au don't have FTL also shows that you don't have even 5 year old books. Tau have normal warp drives already and in lore had them for hundreads of years.The Demiurg have Warp drives, Tau don't because they literally don't know what the warp is and can't comprehend what it is.>They also managed to fight off pretty decent fleets of nids as of late, 1 fleet.>and since they dont have GSC (as their caste system prevents cults from happening), they don't have to be afraid of them like the imperials where cults have entire worlds join them quite often.Their caste system means jack when they have auxiliaries of other races that are susceptible to it.>Now please give me your source of them trying to have orks join them for greater good in recent Their second or third codexes, since nothingbi recent lore says they have changed their attitudes, they still apply. Headcanon isn't canon.
>>82318046>The Imperium is slowly leading humanity to extinction>Has somehow convinced retards that if you don’t side with them you’re a race traitor
>>82314734It is canon. Worked on by multiple black library authors and is officially put out by GW. Nice cope though.
>>82314883This the same statement where they painted the Tau with the exact same brush right? >Nobody in 40k is good>"Take that Imperiumfags, life in the Tau empire isn't actually that bad, if we ignore the sterilization of entire populations then..."
>>82318334Primary sources from the Tau Empire reveal there’s no sterilization
>>82318261Anon imperiums knowledge of the warp is shit. And yes natural psychers are better at it, see orks, eldar, most non chaos xeno psychers too...You are aware humans are just shit psychers?
>>82318261Anon you are aware your knowledge of the tau is not only out of date by three codexes but also by two whole series of novels?
>>82318356What primary source (not a thing btw) says there isn't sterilization? Bear in mind quotes that say>Life in the Tau empire is good, and humans are given many freedoms.Doesn't in any way contradict the canon source given in Deathwatch.
>>82318650Anon source in Deathwatch is imperial propaganda on the matter. Many things in those books are...and most of that info is also out of date seeing as according to Deathwatch books Rogal Dorn is both alive and dead in the same book at the same time.
>>82318650We have memoirs from people living in the Tau Empire of what their life is like and there’s no sterilization.
>>82318315It's not. When ADB was asked whether FFG is canon or not, he was said that he was told that only GW, BL, and FW are empowered to create canon. Third party companies' stuff have unsure grounds.
>>82318650Latest Aero book. It says that the Gue'vesa population on Taros tripled after being joined into the Greater Good.Also the codex 6th ED and up lore says that the T'au are in a desperate need for manpower and that's why they target heavy population centers like Hiveworlds.
>>82318858>>82318922>>82318954None of these say it doesn't happen, alongwith them not even being quotes. Again, books saying>lyfe gud>it doesn't happen to literally every single human the Tau engulfDoesn't mean the deathwatch source doesn't hold true. Because the quote doesn't say it happens to all or the majority of humans under the Tau; it just says its something they do to uppity populations.
>>82318934It seems imperial fags are losing it, they been losing their shit on twatter, now on /tg/, let's see if they finally realize they are their own worst enemy and leave and make their own game.
>>82318261>You said Auxiliary psykers that know jow to avoid demon spawningNot sure if its better but the Nagi and the floating polar bears have warned the T'au about areas with daemonic activity or advised on psychic stuff.>Again I have NOT seen them do so I have no reason to think they did.Because you didn't read any T'au lore. The T'au have fought against the Drukhari in latest lore and blocked one of their raids.>Ditto.Bad faith argument. The codexes and other sources are clear on the matter. >The Demiurg have Warp drives, Tau don't because they literally don't know what the warp is and can't comprehend what it is.The 8th ED T'au codex shows that they developed Warp Drives and kept using them in the fifth sphere.>1 fleet.A Hive Fleet and fought nearly every variety of Tyranid Fleet that came to the galaxy especially Kraken>Their caste system means jack when they have auxiliaries of other races that are susceptible to it.Not really since the T'au worlds are more monitors and ordered. Also going by the FFG lore if you accept it the T'au have invented a cure for the Genestealer infection.>Their second or third codexes, since nothingbi recent lore says they have changed their attitudes, they still apply. Headcanon isn't canon.Outright lies.
>>82318997Sorry but FFG isn't a trustworthy source. For example, they said that the Silent King that started the War in Heaven is the same Silent King that made a deal with the C'tan. Also that the C'tan were the ones that unleashed the Warp horrors on the galaxy. And that Necrons are immune to Warp diseases and Chaos corruption.So unless it gets support from a GW/BL/FW source its very suspect. All we see in the GW lore that the T'au are working to increase the populations of humans and non-T'au in their empire to fuel their growth.
>>82318997Anon we are arguing with people who claim that all people under tau are sterilized, and that is just wrong. And these people claim their sources on materials that are either uncanon or untrue in universe.
>>82317480Sterilization is a lucky outcome in the Imperium.
>>82319035And here is proof they lost boys. Now go back to your containment board and cry there about bad men who won't let you hate everyone because they are better then you
>>82319049Ya, and by imperiums rules sterilization is probably not chemical but done with a rusted old knife.
>>82318046Everyone in the Imperium are zealous cucks of a dead man with no name.
>>82319072His name is/was Neoth.
>>82319038>>82319042You retards do realise you're doing the exact same thing Imperiumfags do when hit with the general "Imperium does evil things" quotes, right?>But the planets in the Eisenhorn books are nice. >In the Ravenor series they don't experience exterminatus or genocide (this meaning it cannot be done elsewhere of course). The Tau are nice and don't sterilise human populations right up until they do. If you think the source isn't valuable then you just plain don't understand 40k canon. All sources are equally valid because 40k canon policy operates on a loose sandbox/buffet basis. GW have been always been clear about this; new lore doesn’t trump old lore. Never has, not that there is even a contradiction between the sterilisation quote; the only objection seems to be ‘I don’t like it because it fucks with how I like the Tau to be’. Which, alright, just ignore the quote then, but the quote is still there, 100% valid and uncontested lore.
>>82319081Stop Deadnaming me.
>>82319105So anon in argument of "don't double down on an idea" you are replaying to someone who is supporting the point of tau aren't great but they aren't that one meme bit of non-canon lore? But there are some rules to canon, third party stuff is non canon unless mentioned otherwise anon, because we don't have multiple different hive minds running about, nor do we have fire warriors who beat up keeper of secerts with their bare hands.And Rogal Dorn is not about and sitting in Terra taking care of things.
>>82319105>If you think the source isn't valuable then you just plain don't understand 40k canon. All sources are equally valid because 40k canon policy operates on a loose sandbox/buffet basis. GW have been always been clear about this; new lore doesn’t trump old lore. Never has, not that there is even a contradiction between the sterilisation quote; the only objection seems to be ‘I don’t like it because it fucks with how I like the Tau to be’. Which, alright, just ignore the quote then, but the quote is still there, 100% valid and uncontested lore.That's a lie since GW never gave an official statement about the lore and we have statements from various GW/BL authors that say GW does in fact have a canon and newer trumps older. For example, Laurie Goulding picture related. In t he loose Canon article ADB was asked about FFG. He said that he was told by GW IP guys that only GW, FW, and BL are empowered to create IP/canon. This makes FFG canon stand in unsure grounds thought he personally believes its canon.And then you have ADB's numerous discussions about CS GoTO books being canon and how the hints that the BR = TS are not canon. So don't play the canon game. You are not educated on it.
>>82319062Imperium sterilization is performed by nuclear fire and orbital bombardment.
>>82319154Nah, they don't always nuke the worlds, sometimes they just sterilize all the people, shove em in work camps and work them to death.
>>82319138More screenies.All the take about Warhammer canon comes from author/developer posts on fan forums or on their blogs. GW never gave a statement on the matter. And the dudes opinions are conflicting on the matter.
>>82319135This is barely legible English. Third party stuff is canon if it has the GW logo. As for those examples, we do have those; firewarriors running around and killing X and Y and so forth. What tangible reason do you have to declare it non-canon besides your headcanon on what 40k should be?>>82319138Goulding is talking about an actual retcon there, some GW ordered changed, not just another authors interpretation of the setting or a contradictory piece of information because of negligence. Similar to the Indomitus changes; the old stuff is non-canon because GW actually said that, not because two pieces of lore disagreed.>With Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the notion of canon is a fallacy. [...] Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 exist as tens of thousands of overlapping realities in the imaginations of games developers, writers, readers and gamers. None of those interpretations is wrong. - Gav Thorpe >It all stems from the assumption that there's a binding contract between author and reader to adhere to some nonexistent subjective construct or 'true' representation of the setting. There is no such contract, and no such objective truth. - Andy Hoare>There is no canon. There are several hundred creators all adding to the melting pot of the IP. - ADB>Here's our standard line: Yes it's all official, but remember that we're reporting back from a time where stories aren't always true, or at least 100% accurate. If it has the 40K logo on it, it exists in the 40K universe. Or it was a legend that may well have happened. Or a rumour that may or may not have any truth behind it.>Let’s put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Code - CHIEF EDITOR OF BL, Marc Gascoigne"Anything with a 40k logo, just as canon as codex" being the takeaway here.There is no evidence of a canon hierarchy in 40k, because the setting is designed from the ground up as a pick and choose sandbox for yourdudes.
Give up ya dakka
>>82319241>Goulding is talking about an actual retcon there, some GW ordered changed, not just another authors interpretation of the setting or a contradictory piece of information because of negligence. Similar to the Indomitus changes; the old stuff is non-canon because GW actually said that, not because two pieces of lore disagreed.No. He is talking about that GW has a canon and it has a process that it can use to retcon and change it officially based on their current vision for it. It's how newer trumps older.And the quotes you provided were never said in any official capacity (Forum posts). Trying to pretend that these are GW statements when their fellow authors AND EVEN THE SAME AUTHOR (ADB) gave conflicting accounts is peak dishonestly. ADB has said things are not canon and argued for canon truth of some things and even underlined how GW gets rid of outdated lore in their new canon.Anyway his quote about FFG:>Note: An even more recent addition is Fantasy Flight Games, who produce the 40K roleplaying game, but even now, I’m not sure just where they stand. Like I said, this is a complicated hellhole of treachery, madness and deceit. As it stands, the official line is that there are three factions empowered to “create IP” (an exact quote), and that’s GW, BL and FW. Given that the 40K RPG is mostly made by folks working in or around the main three companies, I think it’s fair to say that its lore counts as canon, too.Now quit being a scumbag.
>>82319105then it is true that chaos and the warp doesnt exists? because tau have said that so its a canonical source
>>82299860The sperm count on those tests was sterile-levels of low because of the Constant blueberry sex they had
If there is no canon then why did ADB flip a gasket over sources that say BR = TS? Why did he work with Goulding to scrap the idea from the material?
>>82319398His reactions imply that there is a canon and that he wants it cleaned from anything that doesn't follow his views of the setting. He did confirm that there are dudes in the company with agendas regarding the canon in more than one post. All these issues wouldn't have happened if canon doesn't matter.
>>82319306>No. He is talking about that GW has a canon and it has a process that it can use to retcon and change it officially based on their current vision for it. It's how newer trumps older.It doesn't say new lore trumps old. It says GW needed to make a change, and were pressured to because of 'reasons', so they did. The reason the change is valid is because GW needed the old thing removed, not because the new thing was new so was more important. >And the quotes you provided were never said in any official capacity (Forum posts).Said by the chief editor, so it would be official. Like if George said X about star wars canon during a inverview, just because it isn't a post from the company twitter doesn't mean it isn't valid. He had the power to say those things, since he was the one dictating canon for Black Library. Again, he was the dude controlling what was canon for BL, and he said anything with a 40k logo is just as canon as a codex.It was commissioned by GW and they several of their writers and editors on it. Is there any reason not to think it is canon other than 'I don't like it'.His quote:>I think it’s fair to say that its lore counts as canon, too.lmao.
>>82318934>Janny left this up but took down Boogie
>>82319492To add, here is an old FAQ from the Black Library website:>Is Black Library fiction canon background material?>"The BL editors work with the GW studios to keep the fiction the way that it should (very hard might I add! - RK), though due to the sheer volume of detail involved there can be the odd discrepancy here and there. If you want to consider anything "canonical" then both BL fiction - be it novel, graphic novel, art or background book - and GW fiction - be it White Dwarf, Codex, Army book or rulebook - are such.The lore blurbs of the roleplaying games is produced by Black Library, both written and edited by them. They just threw money at a company to develop the crunch.
>>82319492>It doesn't say new lore trumps old. It says GW needed to make a change, and were pressured to because of 'reasons', so they did. The reason the change is valid is because GW needed the old thing removed, not because the new thing was new so was more important.It does. He said the people who cling to "no canon" misunderstand things and explained how GW edits their canon. Again, you are being dishonest. He pretty much said that the old HH lore is irrelevant and doesn't fit GW's new version. And even said people are free to have their own headcanon and ONLY GW decides what's canon.>Said by the chief editor, so it would be official. Like if George said X about star wars canon during a inverview, just because it isn't a post from the company twitter doesn't mean it isn't valid. He had the power to say those things, since he was the one dictating canon for Black Library. Again, he was the dude controlling what was canon for BL, and he said anything with a 40k logo is just as canon as a codex.Not in an official capacity (forum post) and we have a more recent former high-ranking BL dude saying the complete opposite.>It was commissioned by GW and they several of their writers and editors on it. Is there any reason not to think it is canon other than 'I don't like it'.Yes. The official GW policy is GW, BL, and FW only.>lmao.Another dishonest. That's his personal opinion, not GW.And we fairly established that GW is a hypocrite on this matter. See >>82319398 and >>82319421So...you have nothing.
Pros: Better bread and circuses, you might get to hang out with KrootCons: You and your lineage will get their shit slapped the moment any of the important factions actually turn their attention towards the Tau
>>82314734You should inhale a shotgun slug if you really believe Gue'la are allowed to fuck T'au women...
>>82319532They are talking about In-studio GW sources, not a third party stuff here. If the matter is clear. ADB wouldn't be unsure whether FFG is canon or not.Dude, you are on a roll of being a dishonest prick. You really should work with t he T'au.
>>82319573In one of the stories, humans hugged T'au. They are a few bases away from scoring.
>>82299758Depends on what coda you believe in, since WH40K's authors are at least aware they aren't good enough writers to write a canon, and so they don't. Even within reasonable codas, it depends on where in the T'au empire you land. Alomost guaranteed to be better than anywhere else as a human.
>>82319560>It does. He said the people who cling to "no canon" misunderstand things and explained how GW edits their canon. Again, you are being dishonest. He pretty much said that the old HH lore is irrelevant and doesn't fit GW's new version. And even said people are free to have their own headcanon and ONLY GW decides what's canon.He said people who do that NO MATTER WHAT are being silly. Like if GW steps in says 'this is no longer true, we're changing it' going 'but old lore is still valid!' doesn't make sense. That is what he is saying. Not that there is a replacement canon policy Old vs New.>Not in an official capacity (forum post) and we have a more recent former high-ranking BL dude saying the complete opposite.It doesn't need to be, since he has the power to dictate that and he is literally saying "this is how I (the guy who makes the decisions and is in change) do things". It isn't the forum post itself, but a guy responsible for canon saying "this is how we do canon while at work, because I'm the boss". Plus the FAQ from the BL website I've posted. Official, and all the lore of the RP games is created by Black Library then given to FFG to stick over the crunch they've made. They had several BL writers and editors do so.
>>82319573...but can I fuck my head-canon design for Kroots and Vespids?
>>82319596>Written by (Black Library author), (Black Library author), and (Black Library author).>Edited by (Black Library editor) Bro idk I think GW might be lying to us bro... its clearly a fake source to trick us.
>>82319627>Not that there is a replacement canon policy Old vs New.Except it, logical exists. The older version of the HH that he edited out is no longer valid. Oll Pius is not a random guardsman. In the newer valid lore he is a Perpetual. No honest sane person would hold both versions as equal. GE doesn't. Nobody should.>It doesn't need to be, since he has the power to dictate that and he is literally saying "this is how I (the guy who makes the decisions and is in change) do things". It isn't the forum post itself, but a guy responsible for canon saying "this is how we do canon while at work, because I'm the boss".If it's not in an official source, then its not a serious statement. Because as we see his statement is not followed by everyone. >Plus the FAQ from the BL website I've posted. Official, and all the lore of the RP games is created by Black Library then given to FFG to stick over the crunch they've made. They had several BL writers and editors do so.See >>82319596Its FFG is canon, then there wouldn't be uncertainty on part of ADB. And GW IP dudes wouldn't have given him a quote that excluded third party material. They didn't say EVERYTHING with the GW logo is IP or canon.
>>82319643They got big titties and fat asses?
>>82319654BL authors are mostly freelancers. They are not company employees. Freelancers can be hired either by GW or their partner third-party companies. It doesn't speak about the validity of the third party. For example, freelancer Matt Ward was hired by the company that made the Gothic Armada game to write the story. It's not a canon story.
>>82319573I don't see why they wouldn't. It's highly unlikely that it would produce offspring (although half-eldar exist, so I guess anything is possible), so it's not like it gets in the way of their breeding programmes. I could see romantic attachments being discouraged, of course, but two co-workers or fellow soldiers blowing off some steam recreationally? Fuck it, why not.
>>82319686>Except it, logical exists. The older version of the HH that he edited out is no longer valid. Oll Pius is not a random guardsman. In the newer valid lore he is a Perpetual. No honest sane person would hold both versions as equal. GE doesn't. Nobody should. If you want it to be. It isn’t mandated that new shit is more valid than old shit. It’s just new. That is the reason GW doesn't come out and actual say what you're pretending they have. There are multiple versions of the Pius story, specifically for that reason. Nothing suggests 40k has a true story. There are multiple differing versions and interpretations of the setting that players can pick the parts they find coolest from. >If it's not in an official source, then its not a serious statement. Because as we see his statement is not followed by everyone. What authors say pretty much doesn't matter, they don't have any power in actually changing things; they quite literally get told what to do and have to do it. By the guy I'm quoting funnily enough. You're posting writers seethposting about XY and Z. I'm posting their fucking boss saying "yeah this is how we do things at the office xd". >See That is just cope. Black Library wrote the lore for the RPGS, they literally had John French, Andy Hoare, others doing so and Black Library editors overseeing it. They just outsourced the game dev stuff because they, being writers, obviously didn't know how to do it themselves.
>>82319749>If you want it to be. It isn’t mandated that new shit is more valid than old shit. It’s just new. That is the reason GW doesn't come out and actual say what you're pretending they have. There are multiple versions of the Pius story, specifically for that reason.There isn't. GW decides what's canon, not the player. The player can pick and choose in his own headcanon whose imporants is just to himself.As things stand, the only canonically valid version is GW's version. That's the one that's getting developed and has progressing stories for.>What authors say pretty much doesn't matter, they don't have any power in actually changing things; they quite literally get told what to do and have to do it. By the guy I'm quoting funnily enough.And I posted from Goulding who was the chief editor of the HH. And the author I am quoting ADB is reporting his stances from his higher-ups. So don't pretend that authority is on your side. Moreover, ADB was told that female Custodes ARE NOT CANON. Again, canon being used to hammer away undesirable changes or additions. Another defeat for the concept of no canon.>That is just cope. Black Library wrote the lore for the RPGS, they literally had John French, Andy Hoare, others doing so and Black Library editors overseeing it. They just outsourced the game dev stuff because they, being writers, obviously didn't know how to do it themselves.See >>82319720
>>82319730The Tau caste system already forbids romantic relations between each caste in order to keep genetic cross-contamination from happening and de-specializing the castes.I don't, however, think the Ethereals allow sterile Tau to fuck whoever. The use of the word "caste" suggests these restrictions remain in place even when it would be arbitrary.
>>82319703Ew, No. Well I guess that depends on the Kroot, but that would be weird disgusting mutations.
>>82319820Here is a test for you.Cite examples of T'au being romantic or sexual with each other in the lore. I can tell you they exists but I want to see if you can name any.
>>82314331mongols and huns you dumb fuck, the chinese literally shit tier archers and horseman, only infantry and in masses as well, hence why they lost to the huns and the mongols under attila and chingus.
>>82319847I recall a snippet that has an earth caste T'au watching a performance from a water caste, and silently wishing he could court her, but then quickly accepting that it would be impossible as they are of different castes.
>>82319820They regulate it between Tau, of course, and lifting the restrictions for sterile Tau would probably spread a lot of morale-destroying jealousy. But everyone knows it doesn't count with a Gue'la (or, to be fair, with a Kroot or a Vespid).
>>82319888Yeah. That's from the Fire Warrior novel. He found her hawt and felt guilty for it.
>>82319898A reminder that T'au who pick up skills and talents that don't belong to their caste but other castes are either lobotomised or killed.For example, Farsight was nearly sentenced for this fate because he fixed his damaged suit before it killed him. Also a Water Caste female hid her sculpture art from others because it's a skill of the Earth Caste.
>>82314526The tau don't deal with the absolute spectrum of human evil and circumstance. The imperium does. No you can't just handwave human problems away as if tau administration and control would make it go away. It's why the imperium has three major inquisition ordos, because humanity was beset on three sides, and further more, they needed chamber militants for each ordos because there was a crying need for specialized military forces just to keep humanity going. It's why they needed to separate the army into the guard and navy, because the human potential for betrayal required it. It's why there are so many hellish agri worlds, or forgeworlds, or hive worlds, because humanity's existence depends on a steady flow of food, machinery, and bodies. You accuse the Imperium of committing crimes but really, the Imperium is one unimaginably titanic organizational mass of humanity that has maintained the inertia to survive for this long despite everything pitted against it. The Tau simply haven't had to resort to this level of pragmatism yet.It's like that one exterminatus cutscene in one of the bfg video games. An inquisitor notes that it's a futile and pointless task to ask why he would consign a billion souls to oblivion or whatever, because he did not have the right to spare those billion souls in the first place. That's the level of pragmatism the Imperium is at, and the Tau just haven't reached that point.And yes, you could also excuse all things that the Tau have done towards humans in their colonies as a matter of equally pragmatic attempts at survival (even if they don't reach the scale of the Imperium, yet).
Honestly I think T'au controlled Human worlds probably look fairly similar to the ADVENT minus all the hybrids>>82319619Honestly Outer Udar or Ignix sounds pretty comfy.
>>82319809>There isn't. GW decides what's canon, not the player. The player can pick and choose in his own headcanon whose imporants is just to himself.Ignoring the Black Library FAQ post I see. Even if we assume it doesn't include rpgs, that is still an offical source saying everything from BL and GW is canon. Not just certain things in a way that makes sense, but literally everything. >And I posted from Goulding who was the chief editor of the HH.So an editor appointed head of a storygroup. Doesn't trump Chief Editor, who Goulding isn't even disagreeing with. >See And the BL editors? Bear in mind FFG has its own editors for actual editing. The BL editors were there to make sure they put out something GW/BL wanted going out under their brand name. French as an example was still working at GW while writing lore for the game. It’s like saying 40k comics aren't 40k, because - while written by authors under GW's payroll, and put out under the umbrella of GW who Ok'd it - they had to hire an artist to do the drawings and he wasn't part of GW.
>>82319898Kroot instincts would compel them to eat their sexual partner if they're not also kroot.
>>82319565Your lineage is fucked regardless, if chaos exists humanity is good as gone.
>>82319936The Gladius video game says that the Imperial Hiveworlds don't have to be hellish. It's the Admech that build them and they purposely build them to be punishing and horrible for normal humans because they don't take in consideration the needs of the full flesh people.The T'au when seeing the hiveworlds are not impressed at all. They can house all these billions in comfort and order with their cities. Because when they build they take that into account.So plenty of the suffering the Imperium endures is unnecessary and self inflicted.
>>82319937I used almost for a reason, I can think of a few better places to land, but if an angel came up and forced you to pick a 40k faction to choose from aiming for the Imperium and less so Choas, GSC and the admech on the off chance you end up on a noce planet that slipped between the cracks for now, doesn't make sence.
>>82319945>that is still an offical source saying everything from BL and GW is canon. Not just certain things in a way that makes sense, but literally everything.And there is a logical progression for the canon. Older sources are outdated and are no longer valid. For example, the Oldcrons are dead a concept. Their lore is no longer valid in the Newcron lore that's progressing and developing. >So an editor appointed head of a storygroup. Doesn't trump Chief Editor, who Goulding isn't even disagreeing with.He is the chief editor and IP handler who rubbed shoulders with Alan Merret the chief IP guy. And he is disagreeing with the notion that older lore is as valid as the newer.>And the BL editors? Bear in mind FFG has its own editors for actual editing. The BL editors were there to make sure they put out something GW/BL wanted going out under their brand name. French as an example was still working at GW while writing lore for the game.So what? It doesn't mean that the stories inside are canonical. ADB knows who is working there and he is saying GW's policy on the matter and expressing his uncertainty. You have no reason for yourself to be certain about it.
>>82320045>And there is a logical progression for the canon. Older sources are outdated and are no longer valid. For example, the Oldcrons are dead a concept. Their lore is no longer valid in the Newcron lore that's progressing and developing.Not when it is a sandbox buffet setting and official words otherwise. Oldcron and Newcron lore contradicts, big fucking whoop - pick whichever one you like. That is their canon policy as proven. They don't really have much of one, intentionally so.>He is the chief editor and IP handler who rubbed shoulders with Alan Merret the chief IP guy. And he is disagreeing with the notion that older lore is as valid as the newer.No, the guy agreeing with me is the chief editor. The guy you're quoting (who doesn't even disagree) got told what to do by the guy I'm quoting. >So what? It doesn't mean that the stories inside are canonical. ADB knows who is working there and he is saying GW's policy on the matter and expressing his uncertainty. You have no reason for yourself to be certain about it.I'm certain about it because GW had staff overseeing it and let it go out under their brand name. As we know from the chief editor, anything like that has the GW seal of approval is right up next to codexes. "If its got the 40k logo = codex tier". ADB does what he is told by the editors. He cannot do anything else. If the statements disagree, I'm going with the boss as to what actually happens.
>>82320121Love how you bring up Alan Merrett, because guess who signed off on Deathwatch going out from GW?
>>82319936Except 90% of the Imperium's problems are self-inflicted, and the reason everyone's so ready to betray it and/or turn to Chaos is because it's a universally terrible place to be. It's not a "necessary evil", it's an abusive parent who keeps beating their children because they're afraid they'll hit them back if they stop.
>>82320121>official words otherwise.No official words exist.>That is their canon policy as proven. It's not. Citation needed.>No, the guy agreeing with me is the chief editor.Former and acient. And he isn't saying what you are saying. He doesn't say its sandbox or that older sources are canon at all times.>The guy you're quotingMore recent. High ranking. And he is dunking on people that insist that older lore is valid to anyone but themselves. >I'm certain about it because GW had staff overseeing it and let it go out under their brand name. As we know from the chief editor, anything like that has the GW seal of approval is right up next to codexes. "If its got the 40k logo = codex tier".Except ADB was quoting what we was told by the GW which says that only GW, BL, and FW are empowered to create IP/canon. That's more recent and the reason why he isn't sure about FFG being canon.So provide a recent source that says that FFG sources are canonical. If you can't then the matter is resolved.
>>82320194>No official words exist.>That is their canon policy as proven. The FAQ page I've quoted above>The BL editors work with the GW studios to keep the fiction the way that it should (very hard might I add! - RK), though due to the sheer volume of detail involved there can be the odd discrepancy here and there. If you want to consider anything "canonical" then both BL fiction - be it novel, graphic novel, art or background book - and GW fiction - be it White Dwarf, Codex, Army book or rulebook - are such>Former and acient. And he isn't saying what you are saying. He doesn't say its sandbox or that older sources are canon at all times.He says all sources are just as valid as the codex. All. >More recent. High ranking. And he is dunking on people that insist that older lore is valid to anyone but themselves. He isn't higher ranking. And he is dunking on people who say old lore is valid even when GW comes out and says it isn't. Which is different from when GW doesn't do that. >So provide a recent source that says that FFG sources are canonical. If you can't then the matter is resolved.Other way around. GW policy shows that it is, give a source on why this has changed. Something that isn't 'I don't like' or an author with no power saying shit would be good, because both those mean nothing as evidence.
>When asked what life under the Tau is like, one guardsman-turned-Gue'vesa gave only a single word as his answer.>"Soft".
>>82319968They can fight that though, she would be real rough top with the occational reserved bite, tearing into my flesh.
>>82320285>The FAQ page I've quoted aboveDoesn't say its a sandbox and that older sources are canonical. It just says the stuff GW produces is canonical regardless of source. Nothing about third party content nor describes how outdated material matters. Outdated material at the time of their production matter until they don't.>He isn't higher ranking. And he is dunking on people who say old lore is valid even when GW comes out and says it isn't. Which is different from when GW doesn't do that.He was. According to ADB he was one of the IP guys and Loremaster. So you agree that GW decides what's canon and that older lore isn't valid? Good. >Other way around. GW policy shows that it is, give a source on why this has changed. Something that isn't 'I don't like' or an author with no power saying shit would be good, because both those mean nothing as evidence.Nah. ADB was quoting what the IP guys told him. These are not his words, they are GW's. More recent than the other guy. And they exclude third party material. Ergo, FFG is not empowered to create canon as per GW's policy. Case closed.
>>82320374Forum posts don't count as evidence. Also 40k has a distinct canon policy because of this forum post. Bravo! >Doesn't say its a sandbox and that older sources are canonical. It just says the stuff GW produces is canonical regardless of source. Nothing about third party content nor describes how outdated material matters. Outdated material at the time of their production matter until they don't.It says all sources are canon. This would include all codexes, some of which contradict one another. Once again, all sources are canon, that is what it says. New, old, ones saying X and ones saying Y. They're all canon. Provably so. >He was. Goulding was a regular editor. Marc was chief editor. >Nah. ADB was quoting what the IP guys told him.According to him. No reason to believe him though, or that the people he was talking to had more clout than the chief editor. Unless you think Marc doesn't believe himself then the guy making the decisions on what is canon considered everything with the 40k label equal. And Alan Merrett signed off on Deathwatch having the 40k label too.
>>82320458Let's cut to the chase because I don't have time to argue with dishonest weasels. "As it stands, the official line is that there are three factions empowered to “create IP” (an exact quote), and that’s GW, BL and FW."This is GW's policy. Do you have anything newer that contradicts this? No. Then FFG is not canon. And your desperation in trying to call ADB a liar is hilarious and shows that you gave up.
>>82320515>"As it stands, the official line is that there are three factions empowered to “create IP” (an exact quote), and that’s GW, BL and FW."Forum post, get real evidence. And Black Library writers wrote the lore, and Black Library editors checked it over, and the head of intellectual property OK'd it being published under their brand name. But because they had to outsource development of the game (because none of their employees knew how) its non-canon because of an opinion of a guy on a forum. Lmao.
I should add if 'fourm post' is your standard, then Marc outranked everyone as chief editor and he said that anything with the 40k logo is just as valid as a codex.
>>82320579>Forum post, get real evidence.Interview about the canon of Warhammer. I said Interview. And he was reporting what the IP guys told him like Alan Merrit and the such. You trying to push that it's his opinion but that's not his opinion which is hilarious. He is quoting what he was told by GW and what he was told by GW debunks FFG being canon. So the matter is resolved unless you have a more recent source from an insider or an official statement that tells us that third party materials have the power to create IP. Also, a while ago you posted forum quotes from ADB, Gav Thorpe, etc giving their OPINIONS. Hypocrisy I name thee.The matter is settled. It's not canon as per GW policy. It would only be canon if it comes within the three factions.
>>82320598GW outranks everything else and ADB gave us its policy. The matter is settled. Move on.
>>82303677No Mankind here are the bad guys.They're the bad guys because when the Oretti, a peaceful species that got repeatedly invaded by everyone came to a Rouge Trader and offered her precious materials in exchange for a route to a safe system to flee to she took the offer then, following Imperial Doctrine, betrayed them and sent them to certain death.They're the bad guys because when the Endymine Cordat came to them looking to coexist, offering them anti-daemon technology the Deathwatch invaded, drove them to the brink of extinction, Exterminatused their home world and left the survivors in a feudal state.They're the bad guys because when they encounter a multi-species coalition with humans being part of it they're so disgusted they try to annihilate them on principal and enslave the surviving humans. More than once.They're the bad guys because they go the extra mile to not only wipe out an ancient race of scholars but also grind their bones into dust, mix that dust with the crushed data crystals containing all their culture and knowledge and then shoot the mixture into the sun.They're the bad guys because when they invaded the Keylekid expecting a tough fight and finding a race that abhored war and therefore regulated warfare under strict rules of engagement they responded by orbitally bombarding them.They're the bad guys because when they encountered the Xenos of Carmyn a primitive race whose only high technology came from traders the Imperium fire bombed their world then went down to exterminate the stick and sling wielding survivors without mercy.They're the bad guys because when they discovered the Sylvae, a race of low tech but high spirituality they bombed their centres of worship to annihilate their culture.They're the bad guys because despite that when they encounter a race that does prey on human subjects they're totally willing to let it slide for the right benefits. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Skorl
>>82320642Utterly abandoned trying to maintain that 40k has a select canon policy I see. >Interview about the canon of Warhammer. I said Interview. And he was reporting what the IP guys told him like Alan Merrit and the such.Where does he say Alan Merrit? It could be some bottom of the totem pole clerk he was chatting with in a meeting, are you just assuming he was talking to someone that high up? >You trying to push that it's his opinion but that's not his opinion which is hilarious. He is quoting what he was told by GW and what he was told by GW debunks FFG being canon. So the matter is resolved unless you have a more recent source from an insider or an official statement that tells us that third party materials have the power to create IP. Create IP =/= being part of the IP though. If GW sticks their own writers on a project some other company is doing for them, and then release the project, that writing is still being signed off on by GW. They literally have to go through and approve it with their own editors and head of intellectual property. Literally given their stamp of approval twice over (editors then big boss), and written by their own people.
>>82320731To add again, there is no aspect of the lore produced for the roleplaying that isn't made by GW divisions or checked to make sure its in line by GW staff.
>>82320731>Where does he say Alan Merrit? It could be some bottom of the totem pole clerk he was chatting with in a meeting, are you just assuming he was talking to someone that high up?Because whenever he cites the issues of the IP, he usually goes with Alan Merrit or the big guy.>Utterly abandoned trying to maintain that 40k has a select canon policy I see.No. I don't want to argue in circles. Want to get into the heart of the matter. >Create IP =/= being part of the IP though. If GW sticks their own writers on a project some other company is doing for them, and then release the project, that writing is still being signed off on by GW. They literally have to go through and approve it with their own editors and head of intellectual property. Literally given their stamp of approval twice over (editors then big boss), and written by their own people.No. Don't try to be dishonest here. It doesn't matter what happened to produce the product. The policy is if it isn't published by GW trio then it's not IP/canon so its work is dubious. This goes for Relic, THQ, or any third-party company.
>>82320808>Because whenever he cites the issues of the IP, he usually goes with Alan Merrit or the big guy.So he doesn't say its Merrit then. He just says 'brass' which for him could mean a rando fucking editor. Someone lightyears below Merrit would be brass to contracted author with zero say in the company. >No. I don't want to argue in circles. Want to get into the heart of the matter. You realised you had nothing you mean. Because there is no example of GW or BL saying they have a certain 40k canon. You have 'stuff they specifically retconned via statement' (eg Indomitus timeline) and '40k stuff'. Those are the two categories. There is no hierarchy like in, say, Star Wars or Trek. There is just 40k lore that contradicts, and stuff GW has stepped in and pulled.>No. Don't try to be dishonest here. It doesn't matter what happened to produce the product. The policy is if it isn't published by GW trio then it's not IP/canon so its work is dubious. This goes for Relic, THQ, or any third-party company.mean. From the FAQ (unlike everything you're quoting, a provable official source):"The BL editors work with the GW studios to keep the fiction the way that it should [be]" Black library editors worked on Deathwatch. You have hearsay from an author, I have a tangible and official statement. That trumps ADB, who clearly has his own views on what 40k canon should be (see his seething over the Blood Ravens as an example). When talking about the company, I’ll believe what the company says, not what an author working for them says someone (???) actually said in private.
>>82320872>So he doesn't say its Merrit then. He just says 'brass' which for him could mean a rando fucking editor. Someone lightyears below Merrit would be brass to contracted author with zero say in the company.Whether it's Alan Merrit or somebody else in the IP department, he was reporting the policy. And matters of the IP he has a history of quoting the big guys.>You realised you had nothing you meanNope. Like I said I don't want to argue in circles and branches when I am here for a specific thing>You have hearsay from an author, I have a tangible and official statement.No. You don't. You have NOTHING that takes about third part material. ADB is not reporting his opinions. Quit saying he does. He is reporting on a policy that's specifically aims at defining the GW IP.
>>82318997>Doesn't mean the deathwatch source doesn't hold trueWhy would I believe Imperial propaganda over firsthand sources from humans in the Tau Empire itself?
>>82320956>Whether it's Alan Merrit or somebody else in the IP department, he was reporting the policy. And matters of the IP he has a history of quoting the big guys.It 100% does. How do we know he is quoting anybody with clout? >Nope. Like I said I don't want to argue in circles and branches when I am here for a specific thingAll you need to do is give a quote of GW breaking up 40k canon into a hierarchy. If you could it would be quick and easy.>No. You don't. You have NOTHING that takes about third part material. I have a statement put out on their website. BL editors are for making sure everything is right and in line with 40k, though of course there will be contradictions and mistakes (as the quote says). BL editors worked on deathwatch and the head of intellectual property gave the game the OK. FFG not being able to total alter the setting doesn't change the fact multiple GW people looked over its lore and went "Sounds good, this is 40k, put it out under our brand".Meanwhile you have he said she said tier shit. Even assuming it were true, it isn't actual evidence since you cannot prove the statement was even made. 'Only GW writers can make changes to 40k lore' would apply to what he said, because ADB's example of third companies not being able to change the IP is so vague in what it means. Can GW employees change shit in third party content to reflect 40k? The chief editor and BL website seem to thing so.Editors going over it means FFG didn't change anything, because the editor's job was to make sure things were 40k as quoted from the FAQ. All the shit that ended up in Deathwatch was OK'd by multiple levels of GW editors first. They aren't changing the IP; GW is telling them what they can and cannot do before they publish.
>>82321017Because individuals in a manipulative society don't know everything about it. The Tau wouldn't flaunt what they're doing, nor do they do it on all their planets. A dude on a Tau world going "life sure is swell" isn't evidence against the Tau doing shady shit elsewhere, anymore than a dude on an Imperial pleasure world going "life sure is swell" isn't evidence against the Imperium committing genocide two planets over. GW have doubled down on the Tau being evil along with everyone else given their recent statements. Least shit is still shit essentially.There isn't anything that actually contradicts the Deathwatch lore (stuff like in book #24 "we don't do that!")
>>82321086>It 100% does. How do we know he is quoting anybody with clout?Because of his history of doing so. >All you need to do is give a quote of GW breaking up 40k canon into a hierarchy. If you could it would be quick and easy.Same goes to you because Macc says this "To attempt answer the initial question: What is GW's definition of canon? Perhaps we don't have one. Sometimes and maybe. Or perhaps we do and I'm not telling you."He is being vague on the matter.>Editors going over it means FFG didn't change anything, because the editor's job was to make sure things were 40k as quoted from the FAQ. All the shit that ended up in Deathwatch was OK'd by multiple levels of GW editors first. They aren't changing the IP; GW is telling them what they can and cannot do before they publish.As per the policy said by ADB it doesn't matter who worked on what. As long as it's not an official product of the three factions, it's not IP. Harp on your editors all you want but it doesn't prove anything. And speaking about mistakes and misquotations FFG material is full of them. Ergo, another reason its a bad source. >They aren't changing the IP; GW is telling them what they can and cannot do before they publish.That's not true at all since third party materials are known for going off the rails and butchering the official lore like FFG for example. Therefore, its questionable how much work was done if it all.
>>82318270The Imperium's propaganda only works on retards. Which as it so happens, make up a hard 90% of this entire site.
>>82321120>There isn't anything that actually contradicts the Deathwatch lore (stuff like in book #24 "we don't do that!")Deathwatch isn't empowered to create lore. Moreover, GW discontinued the FFG series. More-moreover, FFG material is notorious for butchering the canon and having tons of mistakes.There is no reason to take their lore as seriously unless you are bad faith arguer.
>>82319730Do you even know how caste system works? Take a look on the Indian one, where people from the one caste couldn't marry anyone from the upper/lower, or any outsider.
>>82321120>manipulative societySo the Imperium then?
>>82321173>Because of his history of doing so.That isn't evidence though. If he often uses specific names then surely not doing so there would imply the reverse? That it wasn't the person you're claiming it to be. >Same goes to you because Macc says thisYou're ignoring the context of that. When asked specifically about canon he says anything that GW released is GW approved, and just as valid as a codex. I mean this isn’t really a hard concept to grasp; that GW thinks something is 40k… when the release it as 40k.>As per the policy said by ADB it doesn't matter who worked on what. As long as it's not an official product of the three factions, it's not IP. ABD saying someone said something isn't proof, not when an offical statement we can see says otherwise. If you're trying to use the wording of what he has said to argue, then you need to prove the wording was exactly as he was described. What if they mentioned other shit and ADB just forgot or didn't mention it? You're answer to this is "they wouldn't" which is why it doesn't work as a source; because you just have to assume a bunch of stuff based on nothing for it to hold true. It isn't evidence, its just someone saying something you can't prove is true. >That's not true at all since third party materials are known for going off the rails and butchering the official lore like FFG for example. Therefore, its questionable how much work was done if it all.No, they're known for contradicting headcanons of fans. A contradiction isn’t a reason for assuming something to be less canon anyway; see the FAQ statement from the BL website. Editors for novels fuck up all the time, but contradicting books are still canon. That doesn't mean they aren't official pieces of 40k media. And certainly not because of an author going “someone said so behind closed doors” when the chief editor said “anything with the 40k label is canon”.
>>82321271>That isn't evidence though. If he often uses specific names then surely not doing so there would imply the reverse? That it wasn't the person you're claiming it to be.He said GW and we can take his word for it. >You're ignoring the context of that. When asked specifically about canon he says anything that GW released is GW approved, and just as valid as a codex. I mean this isn’t really a hard concept to grasp; that GW thinks something is 40k… when the release it as 40k.No. I am reading his full quote here (picture related). He was being vague. Whether GW has an order for canon is not known going by what he is saying.So quit misquoting him.>ABD saying someone said something isn't proof, not when an offical statement we can see says otherwise.It doesn't say otherwise. Editors or BL authors working on something don't make something canon unless GW said so. >No, they're known for contradicting headcanons of fans. Dishonest statement number hundred and one. Deathwatch is filled with codex raping lore particularly when it comes to xenos like the Necrons. This shows that that little to no bother came in writing or editing the books. Therefore, we can't take them as serious additions to the lore. When discussing the lore we take the codex over what's written in the FFG material.
>>82303677>there is no neutrality you bug ridden hippy.Your right there is no neutrality, there can be no peace until humanity is held by the naoe of it's nack face down, weight on it's chest with broken legs.Surronded by a greater power, constantly monitored, all it's expansion project reviewed by an outside council incliding population growth... and if that doesn't work slow neutering untill there is nothing left of them.>>82321120>GW have doubled down on the Tau being evil along with everyone else given their recent statements. Least shit is still shit essentially. GW had also been doubling up on the Imperium being the good guys, in 2036 40k will be twisted beyond recognition into generic trash.
Tau= the most morally correct faction, they're also the least capable of stopping the forces of chaos and are too weakly structured to have any major impact.The Imperium is better than the Tau by this logic alone. They have the numbers, the drive, and the power to fight the cosmic threat of Chaos and the Tau would do well to stay out of it's way.
>>82317231>Nigger those aren't zentraedi what the fuck is this shit?The OC Giant Elves pictures aren't Zentradi/Meltrandi, but I'm pretty sure they were inspired by them and thus Macross was TOTALLY the Anime said anon was referring to...
>>82322849Except the Imperium is the number one producer of Chaos cults, Hereteks and Traitor Marines in the entire galaxy.
>>82322905They're also its greatest threat. They're Chaos's best customers and also its worst enemies. These are known things.
When did Tau having massive tits become a thing?
>>82322992>and also its worst enemies.Not really, these days they are probably more worried about nids or necrons.Maybe having Big E become a god is a threat to them, but normal Imperials are basically just prey to them.
>>82300000Wew lad, them quints and that image? Equally hot