>vampires are a playable race
>>81722590yeah this may shock you but vtm is kind of a big deal in rpg history.
>>81722600>Human Knight>Vampire KnightOne is stronger than the other.
>>81722600Is it though? Really? Is it known for great mechanics, thrilling campaigns, and deep character customization? Or is it the Hot Topic/Spencer Gifts of the TTRPG crowd?
>>81722600go play with your yakbak and listen to blues traveler grandpait's obvious he isnt talking about vtmjesus christ youre getting senile, go watch your stick stanleys
>>81722590Yes.Vampire characters in rpgs are older than cleric characters in rpgs.How does that make you feel?
>>81722734that's not even approaching trueclerics existed before chainmailvampires were not playable
>>81722646vtm was made for finding goth sluts to do black magic to
>>81722776And furries are more sane and less deviant than the average VtM fan.
>>81722830no, thats a bold faced copevtmfags are trash but id actively set a furry ablaze if i knew i wouldnt be caughtpretty common sentiment in the real world, actually
>>81722839I've played with both.Full blown fursuit dipshits are actually good players while VtM fans are absolutely not.
>>81722868>and then the dog clapped>so i fucked it, that was consentmhm i bet you totally leave the house dude
>>81722590>vampires are a race
>>81723259>Name: Vampire>Race: Vampire>Class: Vampire>Deity: Vampire>Alignment: Vampire>Weapon: Vampire>Armor: Vampire
>>81723286Hold up king, you forgot your >Vampire template
>>81723297>me escaping the demiurge's reality temple after replacing every word in the english language with "vampire"
>>81722590>Vampire is a playable race>AND a class>AND a prestige class>AND a background>AND a feat>Make a character that is a vampire vampire vampire vampire vampire
>>81722590Thanks for reminding, I should play one someday>>81723341>full vampire party>first mission is to rob a blood bank
>>81723286>>81723347We need to go deeper>Name: Vampire>Race: Vampire>Class: Vampire>Prestige: Vampire>Feat: Vampire>Deity: Vampire>Alignment: Vampire>Weapon: Vampire>Armor: Vampire>Background: VampireDMs' face when he realizes he has born witness to the birth of the worlds first Vamdecahedronpire.
>>81722646It was a big deal anon.
Anybody have a pdf saved somewhere for the Gehenna Book,. Crucible of God? Gotta love the Big Brother treatment for the vampire PCs. I lost my physical copy in a house fire.
>>81723494Its vampires all the way down
Indeed, it should be a class instead.
>>81722646Your moral judgement of why it exists has no bearing on how important it has been for the hobby.
VtM got TT players laid.Like it or not, that's a fact.I mean, it wasn't a first, I think Elfquest fans were having orgies in the 70's, but memories are short.
>>81722752the first cleric ever was made to deal with the overpowered vampires
>>81722646Yes, yes and yes. Also yes. Stop being a fallacious faggot, something can be edgy and good.
>>81723652Slut, her pussy is in full view.
>>81723702This right here.Bagged me some goths back in high school using VtM.Tall, well dressed, well spoken goth black dude ST?Goddamn, I slew like a king. Almost miss it.
>>81722646Introduced me to narrative gameplay by the end of the 90s. First non-murderhobo game I played. In fact, comparing to the two game other games I had played by then, I'd say yes for mechanics and campaigns.Especially if you do things like lowkey fight other players through human proxies to develop your territory while collaborating to maintain the masquerade even as other supernaturals do reckless things all around you... You get layers of intricacies strangers meeting at a bar and pillaging tombs could never get.
>>81723494>Proficiency: Vampire>Language: VampireGet on my lvl
>>81722941It's kinda cheesy, and we don't like cheese around here now do we?
>>81722610>his vampires have super strengthngmi>>81723252You're right, they should be a class.
>>81722590So, vampire should be a class?
>>81723652How did you look at his comment and get "moral judgement on why it exists?" It looked very obviously like a quality judgement on how important it is to the hobby.That is to say: It's for normies who want to be edgy but not too frigtheningly original for their normie tastes. I guess it's filling a niche.Clean those tears off your face and try not to interpret my comment as a personal threat to your life or some other overblown schizo reaction.
>>81724340Admission through projection.
>>81723494What I described is actually a thing that is possible in 4e.
>>81724751Damnit I WASTED the perfect image response for that non-reply on my first post. I have played myself. Ur still a schizo tho.
>>81722600(pic related)>>81722646>Or is it the Hot Topic/Spencer Gifts of the TTRPG crowd?It's this. VtM players in the modern day are just mallgoths and trannies who get kicked out of DnD tables for trying to either fuck or kill every single thing they find.
>>81724262If you let the no-lifers dictate things, "we" don't like anything besides arguing on the internet, getting mad, and trying to cause emotional pain to others.
>>81723259>>81723519>>81724267>>81724279Vampires as a class makes no sense, since it implies they can't have their own professions beyond being themselves. Vampires can be magic-users, fighters, etc. Hell, Dracula was more wizard than vampire.
>>81724190>VtM>non-murderhobowhat? the game is designed to encourage mass murder, especially if doing so takes out personal threats and rivals.
>>81727723It doesn't make sense for them to be a race either, since their bonuses and negatives for being a vampire are tacked on top of whatever their base race is.
>>81727780It makes sense for them to be an evolved/extended race. In Shadowrun each race turns into a different type of vampire.
>>81727770How, when the setting actively punishes you for such tactics?
>>81727723>since it implies they can't have their own professions beyond being themselvesprofessions are separate from classes anon. a paladin can be employed as a knight, mercenary, ordained minister, personal retainer, head of security or chief of police, bounty hunter, and more. classes as they're used in games like D&D are simply an array of traits from which a player can choose when selecting major defining aspects for their characters as they're introduced and while they grow throughout the game. race can be a class as well, and can even use a separate set of requirements. race does not have to simply be a flat 1 time consideration with no additional room for exploration. same with nationality, species, ethnicity, faith. though, at that point, you're probably better off playing a "classless" game and building your characters how you see fit without the often arbitrary and poorly implemented trait containers we call classes.
>>81723742flatly wrong, neither playable in chainmail or braunsteinkeep lying though shitwit
>>81727841the setting does not, your ST simply implemented such things in their game, probably to force you to embrace their preferred styles of play. the setting actively encourages a kill or be killed mentality, as WoD is a world of cut-throats snitches and double crossers.
>>81723742Yes, in Basic, by Gygax, to deal with a vampire pc.
>>81727885You don't seem to have ever read the books, anon.Neither the Camarilla or the Sabbat tolerate vampires that go nuts and disturb the established order.Bloodhunts exist for that exact reason.
>>81727894that was blackmoorclerics existed before that, and the vampire was not a pc but an enemy in the module , clerics changed to gain turn undead and shit but that is literally all, the archetype including healing was from the game before chainmail, braunstein, and it's predecessor brownstone, which led to you guessed it BLACKMOOR
>>81727912I never said anything about breaking the masquerade or any other crime that warrants a bloodhunt. At this point it's pretty clear you either had a twat for a ST or never actually played the game.
>>81723259In D&D 4e you could be a vampire as a race, class and a background. Triple vampire!
>>81722590Wait till you learn about pic related
>>81728322You forgot the template.
>>81727854>professions are separate from classesOnly if you manage it that way.
>>81722646Not sure if this is intended to be ultra-bait, or just pure fucking retardation. Most likely both.
>>81728299Mass murder of kindred or kine would absolutely get a bloodhunt called on you, per the rules of the Camarilla.In regard to the Sabbat, knocking off too many of your betters will get you marked for final death.You really haven't looked at the book. Too much time on the /tg/ general.
>>81728349You mean theme?There is no vampire theme, and templates don't exist for pcs in 4e.
>>81728482So you've never actually played, you only read snips from the wikis. Try playing for once.
>>81722590Maybe Werewolf The forsaken or Hunter the vigil are more of your style
>>81722646It's both, you drooling chubmongler. Now use your Invader Zim decal, Earthican! Do it before someone 'steals' it while you puke shitty beer out behind your shitty hole in the wall punk pub. >>81727885>the setting actively encourages a kill and have a complicated alibi mentalityFtfy. Wtf? Even Mage and Changeling had built-in bitch slaps if you start being a murderhobo. Half the fucking villains being hunted down in WoD were murderhoboes.Did your GM toss out the lore, or what? Can't blame him, since it was hit-or-miss, what with Sam whatshisface the super ghoul-mage-werewolf or whatever...
>>81722610Humans suck, news at 11
>>81722610One is a cursed being that by all accounts should have more drawbacks than boons. If you're basing your vampires off of Twilight and Underworld just masturbate to capeshit like you clearly want to, then scrap what you wrote and try again after reading some proper vampire fiction that isn't about being a supermodel with generic superpowers 100% of the time. Vampires = Superman But Goth Flavored is the worst thing to have happened to fiction in the last 20 years. Vampires have twisted forms, compulsions OUT THE ASS, several severe weaknesses mortals don't have, horrific overdependencies and are constantly fighting to retain their sense of self and values at all. They do not have massive super strength, they have hypnosis and some animal shapeshifting.
>>81722610>walk into sunlight>stand in a church/holyplace>dieWhoa
>>81725114Please get back to your containment board. A no-game yelling schizo schizo schizo when someone states VtM is a big thing in ttrpg is something TG doesn't need. You provide nothing but inane attempt at putting others down for having a sense of the history of RPGs just because you think "this particular thing bad."
>>81722646Reasons why nogame faggots should be hunted down in this board
>>81731741WoD has famously poor mechanics man, always has.
>>81731819And yet its still a strictly ruleset better than any edition of the single most popular RPG ever printed.
>>81731835I don't do whattaboutisms.It's a dim mans deflection.Yes dnd is hogshit, but WoD is sloppy hogshit carried by edge.Two sides of the same turdpenny.
>>81731909But that's the thing. It is still a big deal regardless of being mechanically good or not. If anything, TTRPG market always values more shitty and strealined mechanics over complex and customizable ones, so the original nogame fag and his pointless whataboutism can fuck off.
>>81731909I accept your concession to my factual statement of truth.
>>81732057This exchanged opened with you conceding bro.Whatever security blanket you need to hug to deal with it, is none of my business, and we're going keep it that way.
>>81728963Nice headcanon, you gay retard. Your retarded definition of vampire: >They do not have massive super strength, they have hypnosis and some animal shapeshifting.Isn't true for VTM, D&D or any other TTRPG which matters (which you probably don't even play anyway). Don't try to pass your headcanon as "proper vampire fiction" fucking dracula was strong as 20 men, able to manipulate weather, command animals, become immune to normal attacks and even walk in fucking sunlight if he wants (he just loses his powers). I'm sure your nogames headcanon is great for that cringe deviantart story you're writing, but spare us of your autism.
>>81732150Anon you can't just murder someone in broad daylight like that
>>81723494>armor >weaponso you skinned many bats and used their skin for hide armor and wield vlad the impaler like a baseball bat
>>81731909Hold your horses buddy, never said vtm was good.But it was big. Famous, popular, made a lot of money. The original edgy rpg. The only thing white wolf printed faster than splatbooks for their many game lines and spin-offs was money.No one is going to force you to like the games but vtm was a huge deal and its idiotic to pretend otherwise.
>>81725101>>81723347So is the turbo-vampire actually viable in 4e? How much do they overlap?
>>81728774Vampires also suck
>>81722752>the cleric class from d&d existed prior to the game that serves as the basis for d&d?too fucking stupid. also it is true. the first cleric wass based on van helsing, the vampire hunter. because the guy playing the vampire pc was getting out of hand.
>>81722590>vampires are the only playable race
>>81722590>Not having all custom races>Atlantean>Hyperborean>Lemurian>Mudman
>>81733757>actually viable in 4e?Possible - yes. Viable - no. Vampire class is infamously terrible. The worst in the entire game.
>>81735711Huh, why's that? Lack of support, just does a role worse, what?If you were to replace Vampire with another thematically appropriate class, would it be viable after that?
>>81722590EVERYTHING is a playable race nowadays anon. Inclusivity increases sales.
>>81722646The WoD games were always garbage and only like by furries or Anne Rice faggots who are convinced the 90s could do no wrong.
>>81730518Depends on the system and setting, but hey, it's not like you care for anything, but bait
>>81722610>Poison>Running water>need to be invited>Sunlight>crosses>silver>holy water>need to hull your coffin everywhereThose are just on the top of my head and sure you get super speed super strenght and super senses but if i make i get a tent you cant touch me
>>81737989Which setting are you talking about?Which game?
>>81728774Sucking is a vampire's thingShe usually even swallows
>>81737994Those are some of the irl mythological weaknesses of vampires
>>81731588Go back to your transexual gaslighting enthusiast forum.Literally all I did was rebuke a weird ass overreaction to someone else's opinion. Presumably, your weird ass, no games, bunkerchan brand, moralistic overreaction.The only interaction you deserve from actual users of this website are rebukes and being put down, because you can't seem to stop arguing in bad faith even when maybe you are genuinely trying to discuss something, so warped is your mind by what I can assume are your usual activities on the internet.
>>81738029Yeah, and in some folk tales the only weaknesses are>sunlight>holy stuff barely worksAnd in return, they get:>turn into animals>freakish strength>generic undead resilience>animal-level intelligence
>>81730518>be priest of rival god>radiate sanctified area of rival faith so strongly it makes weak priests faint and altars crack>stand whenever he pleases, it's not like a place sanctified by mere mortals can resist him
>>81732150He could also scale walls like a lizard, hypnotize repressed Victorians, moved with ungodly speed and grace, take knowledge and youth through feeding... Like, obviously you could say Drac is somewhat exceptional among vampires but unholy speed, strength, resilience and sexual magnetism are pretty standard for the filthy leeches.
>>81722590>He plays world of darkness
>>81722590It's VAMPIRE: the Masqueradenot Hunter: the VigilGet over it or leave.
>>81736030Lack of support, and because of the lack of support, is basically locked into 1 of 2 paths, and neither feels complete.Also, their unique mechanic with surges makes them weaker in general.
>thread clearly about D&D races>White Wolf kickstarter faggots get triggered for no reasonWoD doesn't even have "races"Also, vampires being a race at all is cringy, ITS A FUCKING CURSE