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>vampires are a playable race
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>>81722590
yeah this may shock you but vtm is kind of a big deal in rpg history.
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>>81722600
>Human Knight
>Vampire Knight
One is stronger than the other.
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>>81722600
Is it though? Really? Is it known for great mechanics, thrilling campaigns, and deep character customization? Or is it the Hot Topic/Spencer Gifts of the TTRPG crowd?
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>>81722600
go play with your yakbak and listen to blues traveler grandpa
it's obvious he isnt talking about vtm
jesus christ youre getting senile, go watch your stick stanleys
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>>81722590
Yes.
Vampire characters in rpgs are older than cleric characters in rpgs.
How does that make you feel?
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>>81722734
that's not even approaching true
clerics existed before chainmail
vampires were not playable
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>>81722646
vtm was made for finding goth sluts to do black magic to
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>>81722776
And furries are more sane and less deviant than the average VtM fan.
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>>81722830
no, thats a bold faced cope
vtmfags are trash but id actively set a furry ablaze if i knew i wouldnt be caught
pretty common sentiment in the real world, actually
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>>81722839
I've played with both.
Full blown fursuit dipshits are actually good players while VtM fans are absolutely not.
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>>81722868
>and then the dog clapped
>so i fucked it, that was consent
mhm i bet you totally leave the house dude
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>>81722590
Yes and?
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>>81722590
>vampires are a race
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>>81722590
>And class
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>>81723259
>Name: Vampire
>Race: Vampire
>Class: Vampire
>Deity: Vampire
>Alignment: Vampire
>Weapon: Vampire
>Armor: Vampire
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>>81723286
Hold up king, you forgot your
>Vampire template
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>>81723297
>me escaping the demiurge's reality temple after replacing every word in the english language with "vampire"
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>>81722590
>Vampire is a playable race
>AND a class
>AND a prestige class
>AND a background
>AND a feat
>Make a character that is a vampire vampire vampire vampire vampire
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>>81722590
Thanks for reminding, I should play one someday
>>81723341
>full vampire party
>first mission is to rob a blood bank
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>>81723347
We need to go deeper
>Name: Vampire
>Race: Vampire
>Class: Vampire
>Prestige: Vampire
>Feat: Vampire
>Deity: Vampire
>Alignment: Vampire
>Weapon: Vampire
>Armor: Vampire
>Background: Vampire

DMs' face when he realizes he has born witness to the birth of the worlds first Vamdecahedronpire.
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>>81722646
It was a big deal anon.
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Anybody have a pdf saved somewhere for the Gehenna Book,. Crucible of God? Gotta love the Big Brother treatment for the vampire PCs. I lost my physical copy in a house fire.
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>>81723494
Its vampires all the way down
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Indeed, it should be a class instead.
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>>81722646
Your moral judgement of why it exists has no bearing on how important it has been for the hobby.
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VtM got TT players laid.
Like it or not, that's a fact.

I mean, it wasn't a first, I think Elfquest fans were having orgies in the 70's, but memories are short.
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>>81722752
the first cleric ever was made to deal with the overpowered vampires
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>>81722646
Yes, yes and yes. Also yes. Stop being a fallacious faggot, something can be edgy and good.
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>>81723652
Slut, her pussy is in full view.
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>>81723702
This right here.
Bagged me some goths back in high school using VtM.
Tall, well dressed, well spoken goth black dude ST?
Goddamn, I slew like a king. Almost miss it.
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>>81722646
Introduced me to narrative gameplay by the end of the 90s. First non-murderhobo game I played. In fact, comparing to the two game other games I had played by then, I'd say yes for mechanics and campaigns.

Especially if you do things like lowkey fight other players through human proxies to develop your territory while collaborating to maintain the masquerade even as other supernaturals do reckless things all around you... You get layers of intricacies strangers meeting at a bar and pillaging tombs could never get.
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>>81723494
>Proficiency: Vampire
>Language: Vampire
Get on my lvl
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>>81722941
It's kinda cheesy, and we don't like cheese around here now do we?
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>>81722610
>his vampires have super strength
ngmi
>>81723252
You're right, they should be a class.
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>>81722590
So, vampire should be a class?
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Vampire
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>>81723652
How did you look at his comment and get "moral judgement on why it exists?" It looked very obviously like a quality judgement on how important it is to the hobby.
That is to say: It's for normies who want to be edgy but not too frigtheningly original for their normie tastes. I guess it's filling a niche.
Clean those tears off your face and try not to interpret my comment as a personal threat to your life or some other overblown schizo reaction.
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>>81724340
Admission through projection.
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>>81723494
What I described is actually a thing that is possible in 4e.
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>>81724751
Damnit I WASTED the perfect image response for that non-reply on my first post. I have played myself.
Ur still a schizo tho.
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(pic related)
>>81722646
>Or is it the Hot Topic/Spencer Gifts of the TTRPG crowd?
It's this. VtM players in the modern day are just mallgoths and trannies who get kicked out of DnD tables for trying to either fuck or kill every single thing they find.
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>>81724262
If you let the no-lifers dictate things, "we" don't like anything besides arguing on the internet, getting mad, and trying to cause emotional pain to others.
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>>81723259
>>81723519
>>81724267
>>81724279
Vampires as a class makes no sense, since it implies they can't have their own professions beyond being themselves. Vampires can be magic-users, fighters, etc. Hell, Dracula was more wizard than vampire.
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>>81722590
*class
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>>81724190
>VtM
>non-murderhobo
what? the game is designed to encourage mass murder, especially if doing so takes out personal threats and rivals.
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>>81727723
It doesn't make sense for them to be a race either, since their bonuses and negatives for being a vampire are tacked on top of whatever their base race is.
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>>81727780
It makes sense for them to be an evolved/extended race. In Shadowrun each race turns into a different type of vampire.
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>>81727770
How, when the setting actively punishes you for such tactics?
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>>81727723
>since it implies they can't have their own professions beyond being themselves
professions are separate from classes anon. a paladin can be employed as a knight, mercenary, ordained minister, personal retainer, head of security or chief of police, bounty hunter, and more. classes as they're used in games like D&D are simply an array of traits from which a player can choose when selecting major defining aspects for their characters as they're introduced and while they grow throughout the game. race can be a class as well, and can even use a separate set of requirements. race does not have to simply be a flat 1 time consideration with no additional room for exploration. same with nationality, species, ethnicity, faith. though, at that point, you're probably better off playing a "classless" game and building your characters how you see fit without the often arbitrary and poorly implemented trait containers we call classes.
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>>81723742
flatly wrong, neither playable in chainmail or braunstein
keep lying though shitwit
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>>81722600
>>81722646
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>>81727841
the setting does not, your ST simply implemented such things in their game, probably to force you to embrace their preferred styles of play. the setting actively encourages a kill or be killed mentality, as WoD is a world of cut-throats snitches and double crossers.
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>>81723742
Yes, in Basic, by Gygax, to deal with a vampire pc.
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>>81727885
You don't seem to have ever read the books, anon.
Neither the Camarilla or the Sabbat tolerate vampires that go nuts and disturb the established order.
Bloodhunts exist for that exact reason.
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>>81727894
that was blackmoor
clerics existed before that, and the vampire was not a pc but an enemy in the module , clerics changed to gain turn undead and shit but that is literally all, the archetype including healing was from the game before chainmail, braunstein, and it's predecessor brownstone, which led to you guessed it BLACKMOOR
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>>81727948
*successor brownstone
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>>81727912
I never said anything about breaking the masquerade or any other crime that warrants a bloodhunt. At this point it's pretty clear you either had a twat for a ST or never actually played the game.
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>>81723259
In D&D 4e you could be a vampire as a race, class and a background. Triple vampire!
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>>81722590
Wait till you learn about pic related
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>>81728322
You forgot the template.
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>>81727854
>professions are separate from classes
Only if you manage it that way.
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>>81722646
Not sure if this is intended to be ultra-bait, or just pure fucking retardation. Most likely both.
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>>81728299
Mass murder of kindred or kine would absolutely get a bloodhunt called on you, per the rules of the Camarilla.
In regard to the Sabbat, knocking off too many of your betters will get you marked for final death.
You really haven't looked at the book. Too much time on the /tg/ general.
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>>81728349
You mean theme?
There is no vampire theme, and templates don't exist for pcs in 4e.
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>>81728482
So you've never actually played, you only read snips from the wikis. Try playing for once.
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>>81722590
Maybe Werewolf The forsaken or Hunter the vigil are more of your style
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>>81722646
It's both, you drooling chubmongler. Now use your Invader Zim decal, Earthican! Do it before someone 'steals' it while you puke shitty beer out behind your shitty hole in the wall punk pub.

>>81727885
>the setting actively encourages a kill and have a complicated alibi mentality
Ftfy. Wtf? Even Mage and Changeling had built-in bitch slaps if you start being a murderhobo. Half the fucking villains being hunted down in WoD were murderhoboes.

Did your GM toss out the lore, or what? Can't blame him, since it was hit-or-miss, what with Sam whatshisface the super ghoul-mage-werewolf or whatever...
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>>81722610
Humans suck, news at 11
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>>81722610
One is a cursed being that by all accounts should have more drawbacks than boons. If you're basing your vampires off of Twilight and Underworld just masturbate to capeshit like you clearly want to, then scrap what you wrote and try again after reading some proper vampire fiction that isn't about being a supermodel with generic superpowers 100% of the time. Vampires = Superman But Goth Flavored is the worst thing to have happened to fiction in the last 20 years. Vampires have twisted forms, compulsions OUT THE ASS, several severe weaknesses mortals don't have, horrific overdependencies and are constantly fighting to retain their sense of self and values at all. They do not have massive super strength, they have hypnosis and some animal shapeshifting.
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>>81722610
>walk into sunlight
>stand in a church/holyplace
>die
Whoa
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>>81725114
Please get back to your containment board. A no-game yelling schizo schizo schizo when someone states VtM is a big thing in ttrpg is something TG doesn't need. You provide nothing but inane attempt at putting others down for having a sense of the history of RPGs just because you think "this particular thing bad."
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>>81722646
Reasons why nogame faggots should be hunted down in this board
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>>81731741
WoD has famously poor mechanics man, always has.
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>>81731819
And yet its still a strictly ruleset better than any edition of the single most popular RPG ever printed.
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>>81731835
I don't do whattaboutisms.
It's a dim mans deflection.
Yes dnd is hogshit, but WoD is sloppy hogshit carried by edge.
Two sides of the same turdpenny.
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>>81731909
But that's the thing. It is still a big deal regardless of being mechanically good or not. If anything, TTRPG market always values more shitty and strealined mechanics over complex and customizable ones, so the original nogame fag and his pointless whataboutism can fuck off.
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>>81731909
I accept your concession to my factual statement of truth.
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>>81732057
This exchanged opened with you conceding bro.
Whatever security blanket you need to hug to deal with it, is none of my business, and we're going keep it that way.
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>>81728963
Nice headcanon, you gay retard. Your retarded definition of vampire:
>They do not have massive super strength, they have hypnosis and some animal shapeshifting.
Isn't true for VTM, D&D or any other TTRPG which matters (which you probably don't even play anyway). Don't try to pass your headcanon as "proper vampire fiction" fucking dracula was strong as 20 men, able to manipulate weather, command animals, become immune to normal attacks and even walk in fucking sunlight if he wants (he just loses his powers).

I'm sure your nogames headcanon is great for that cringe deviantart story you're writing, but spare us of your autism.
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>>81732150
Anon you can't just murder someone in broad daylight like that
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>>81723494
>armor
>weapon
so you skinned many bats and used their skin for hide armor and wield vlad the impaler like a baseball bat
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>>81731909
Hold your horses buddy, never said vtm was good.
But it was big. Famous, popular, made a lot of money. The original edgy rpg. The only thing white wolf printed faster than splatbooks for their many game lines and spin-offs was money.
No one is going to force you to like the games but vtm was a huge deal and its idiotic to pretend otherwise.
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>>81725101
>>81723347
So is the turbo-vampire actually viable in 4e? How much do they overlap?
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>>81728774
Vampires also suck
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>>81722752
>the cleric class from d&d existed prior to the game that serves as the basis for d&d?
too fucking stupid.
also it is true. the first cleric wass based on van helsing, the vampire hunter. because the guy playing the vampire pc was getting out of hand.
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>>81733829
tukun tiss
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>>81722590
>vampires are the only playable race
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>>81722590
>Not having all custom races
>Atlantean
>Hyperborean
>Lemurian
>Mudman
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>>81733757
>actually viable in 4e?
Possible - yes. Viable - no. Vampire class is infamously terrible. The worst in the entire game.
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>>81735711
Huh, why's that? Lack of support, just does a role worse, what?
If you were to replace Vampire with another thematically appropriate class, would it be viable after that?
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>>81722590
EVERYTHING is a playable race nowadays anon. Inclusivity increases sales.
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>>81725162
SHUT UP....NIGGER!
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>>81722646
The WoD games were always garbage and only like by furries or Anne Rice faggots who are convinced the 90s could do no wrong.
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>>81730518
Depends on the system and setting, but hey, it's not like you care for anything, but bait
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>>81722610
>Poison
>Running water
>need to be invited
>Sunlight
>crosses
>silver
>holy water
>need to hull your coffin everywhere
Those are just on the top of my head and sure you get super speed super strenght and super senses but if i make i get a tent you cant touch me
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>>81737989
Which setting are you talking about?
Which game?
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>>81728774
Sucking is a vampire's thing
She usually even swallows
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>>81737994
Those are some of the irl mythological weaknesses of vampires
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>>81734482
Based
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>>81731588
Go back to your transexual gaslighting enthusiast forum.
Literally all I did was rebuke a weird ass overreaction to someone else's opinion. Presumably, your weird ass, no games, bunkerchan brand, moralistic overreaction.
The only interaction you deserve from actual users of this website are rebukes and being put down, because you can't seem to stop arguing in bad faith even when maybe you are genuinely trying to discuss something, so warped is your mind by what I can assume are your usual activities on the internet.
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>>81738029
Yeah, and in some folk tales the only weaknesses are
>sunlight
>holy stuff barely works
And in return, they get:
>turn into animals
>freakish strength
>generic undead resilience
>animal-level intelligence
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>>81730518
>be priest of rival god
>radiate sanctified area of rival faith so strongly it makes weak priests faint and altars crack
>stand whenever he pleases, it's not like a place sanctified by mere mortals can resist him
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>>81732150
He could also scale walls like a lizard, hypnotize repressed Victorians, moved with ungodly speed and grace, take knowledge and youth through feeding... Like, obviously you could say Drac is somewhat exceptional among vampires but unholy speed, strength, resilience and sexual magnetism are pretty standard for the filthy leeches.
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>>81722590
>He plays world of darkness
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>>81722590
It's
VAMPIRE: the Masquerade
not
Hunter: the Vigil

Get over it or leave.
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>>81736030
Lack of support, and because of the lack of support, is basically locked into 1 of 2 paths, and neither feels complete.

Also, their unique mechanic with surges makes them weaker in general.
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>thread clearly about D&D races
>White Wolf kickstarter faggots get triggered for no reason

WoD doesn't even have "races"
Also, vampires being a race at all is cringy, ITS A FUCKING CURSE



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