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Let's Go Perty! edition

Previous go: >>81691449

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First for Iron Warriors being fucking lame
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Congratulations! You are in charge of creating and stating a new unit for your Legion.
>What is it?
>How is it modelled?
>What USRs and Special Rules does it have?
>Unit composition, FOC type and points cost
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>>81720005
Fpbp
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>>81720012
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>>81719843
That grumpy old word bearers sniper with a bionic leg who decides that the emperor is a god and hes sick of the chaos shit+incompetent retards in vulkan lives+the unremembered empire is pretty based
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>>81720012
>storm seer
>basically just a librarian with sanctic, divination, and a special storm table
>unique rule that gives them better save against daemons, or a special save against perils, maybe both
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>>81720005
Well said brother.
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>>81720012
>Firewing Snipers
>Marines with camocloaks and special ammo
>Stealth, Scion of Firewing, Preferred Enemy (Characters), Precision Shots, Sniper Rifles, various types of special ammo, Infiltrate or similar
Fluffed as assassination squads that target enemy officers and support personnel to neutralize the enemy command structure and sow chaos among the ranks.

I'd also like a unit that better represents a Cenobium as being a group of experts equipped with specialist weaponry from their Order's private armory banding together to deal with a specialized threat. You know, as opposed to just a bunch of dudes with big swords in Termie armor.
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So when I made the other Imperator I got two warhounds to be a little escort for it and I figured I'd do the same for this one but have one larger titan be the escort. I want to take advantage of 3d print bits to spice things up but I'm torn between a reaver titan and a warbringer titan, which should I build?
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>>81720631
I personally hate the warbringer, but his overall design would fit better to go along with the imperator than a reaver. so go with warbringer for "don't talk to me or my son" ugly option or with classic reaver.
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>>81720012
Legion Magister Squad (Elites)

Available to any Detachment which has either Legiones Astartes (Blackshields) or the basic Legiones Astartes rule, without any named Legion. 3-20 models per squad.

Uprated Veterans with a Terminator option tree, Jump option tree and up to two Magister Traits (think Chapter Tactics). Every Magister Squad in the same detachment must have the same Magister Traits. Intended to represent specialist formations from long-lost Legion detachments (so you can have a greyshield Allied detachment just-returned to the parent Legion represented this way), elite Blackshields or survivors of II/XI.

Army list entry is fifteen pages long. Nobody ever uses them.
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Just spent five minutes replying to shit in the old thread. New is always better.
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>>81720012
Since it came up last thread: non-cyber familiar, give +1 invuln and 12 inch bubble of line of sight through walls/ignore cover for psychic powers. Also gives -2 on perils of the warp table. Not a separate unit but can be represented like a cyber familiar or on a 25mm base kept with the character. Maybe +25 points for ICs? One more way to overcost your 300 point praetor. .
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>>81720005
NOO NOO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT IMMA SEIGE YOUR FORTTRESS YOU'RE A DEAD MAN
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>>81720012
Possessed Legio Astartes squad
take legion tacticals and mix some possessed bits in and REALLY battle damage the leftover marine bits, they should look like captured marines or straight up astartes corpses stripped of any undamaged wargear
they have daemon, no weapons, and do not count as friendly units for combat resolution or friendly shooting letting you shoot into a melee with missed shots hitting the possessed models instead
non compulsory troops, requires traitor allegiance to take, and cost a bit more per model and starting to take than tacticals
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Are Divining Blades largely frowned upon? I was thinking of throwing one in a Hetaeron squad (with no shield to reduce cheese).
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>>81722434
That's basically the Possessed squad in the Ruinstorm daemon list.
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>>81722434
Like >>81722555 with their trips of truth says, there are already possessed marines in the ruinstorm list. I do think there could be use for a unit of reanimated marines in the generic LA list - corpses brought back via sorcery, admech fuckery, the keys of hel, or some other shit. WS3, BS0, I3, fearless, fnp, slow and purposeful. No weapons at all nor the option to take them, never count as scoring, no VP for destroying them, no LA rule, can't be joined by characters. Just a kind of zombie tarpit and bullet sponge. Maybe add some kind of penalty for non-shattered loyalists taking them.
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>>81722443
No, take it. Everyone does.
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I understand WS, but everyone else? don't wide ass hips reduce speed?
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>>81722443
>>81723499
>Everyone does
At least there used to be some kind of legitimate debate about whether it was better to take a paragon blade and go for the chance of ID at initiative, or if the reliability of a fist was the better choice. Some legions have their own unique weapons which you could go for without gimping yourself, and there were other combos that might have been worth attempting. Divining blade just shits on all that and is better than every other option, all the time. It also takes away all the uncertainty and riskFW need to FAQ that shit into narrative only like other relics, and until they do any decent playgroup should houserule it out.
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>>81720012

Raven Guard Raptors
> Full MkVI with obvious hunches, crouchin poses, maybe some obviously-bodged armour extenders.

Raptor Squad- 4 Raptors, 1 Prime- 125pts
Raptor- WS4, BS3, S4, T4, W1, I4, A2, Ld8, Sv3+
Raptor Prime- WS5, A3,Ld9

Bolt Pistol, Rending Talons, Frag & Krak Grenades, Improvised Armour
Fear, Fleet, Rage, Shame of the Legion
Must always make Sweeping Advances

May take up to 15 more Raptors- +12pts each
The Prime may take one of the following: Power Fist (15pts), Lightning Claw (5pts)
The Prime may take Melta Bombs (5pts)
May take a Rhino or Dreadclaw as dedicated transport.

Rending Talons- Melee Weapon: +1S, AP4
Improvised Armour- Unit may Run and Snap Shot in the same turn. Attacks of Strength 6 or higher reduce their armour save to a 5+.
Shame of the Legion- Raptors are regarded as allies of level 'By the Emperor's Command'. An army including Raptors cannot take an Allied Detachment.

It's exactly the same as allying in a Blackshield Marauder squad with Chymeriae.
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This might sound like bait, but iam actually curious. Is guy standing near ahriman black? Also are there any other art of TS without helmet?
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>>81723572
>Divining blade just shits on all that and is better than every other option, all the time. It also takes away all the uncertainty and riskFW need to FAQ that shit into narrative only like other relics, and until they do any decent playgroup should houserule it out.
It's one piece of wargear on one model. And it's close combat weapon. I often wonder why is that people sperg about DB but are totally ok with multiple ap2 pieplates? How many shit is your preator with divining blade going to kill during the course of battle? How many of that will actually matter when applying ID because killing a W1 model is just fucking irrelevant and dueling opposite preator with a blade that (with other equipment) makes you as expensive as Sigismund/Corswain/Sevatar while being worse is not really broken.
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>>81723582
Amon is literally Ben Kingsley, so yeah they're mostly swarthy. Not Sub-Sahara tier, but they're essentially Middle Easterners
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>>81723582
>This might sound like bait, but iam actually curious. Is guy standing near ahriman black?
He's brown actually. And for most Legions being multiracial is totally legit fluffwise.
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>>81723582
Ahriman is black, so it's possible.
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>>81723573
I'd be curious to see stats for pre-alpharius-fuckery Raptors.
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>>81723724
Tactical marine?
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>>81723582
Thousand Sons were originally taken from Persia/Iran, a group that can look like anything from off-brand Euros to straight outta Mecca Arabs.
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>>81723724

Weapon Master Veteran Squad is close enough. Novel describes them as being excellent melee combatants and using mixed special weapons.
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>>81720526
Ywnbasm
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>>81723724
Blackshield rules
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>>81722411
You don't even have to do that. Just wait until he tries to fire his compensatory titan gun and the recoil buries him beneath it. Fucking braggart can't design for shit.
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>>81723755
>>81723902
Aren't they supposed to be significantly stronger/faster than standard marines? Raptors weren't just instant marine, they were strong.
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Nothing ruined Iron Warriors for me like people on this board.
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>>81723526
Yeesh. At least the power squat all the plastic models do helps to make anatomical sense of the armour.
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>>81723664
>I often wonder why is that people sperg about DB but are totally ok with multiple ap2 pieplates?
Nobody in their right mind is totally ok with multiple ap2 pieplates, and a divining blade is a shitty piece of wargear because it effectively invalidates a whole swathe of other choices and worsens already existing issues with people feeling the need to points-bloat their already expensive warload into the stratosphere.
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>>81724165
I had considered that, distasteful as it it, but the description of the Raptors is quite different from primaris. They're the same size as normal marines, but they have significant strength, toughness and speed benefits, as well as reduced surgery needs. In some ways, they'd be superior to primaris, but smaller.
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>>81720012
>Iron Warrior Aereum Perditors
Basically a type of Destroyer squad that is used for clearing trenches and buildings, so specialises in melee.

>Equipment
Hardened armour
Power Weapons
Combat Shields
Bolt Pistols
Krak, Frag and Rad grenades

>Special Rules
Legiones Astartes (Iron Warriors)
Counter Attack
Stubborn

The rest of their equipment and options is the same as the Legion Destroyer Squad.
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>>81724525
Pre-AL fuckery RG raptors being smaller also makes them superior to primarshits. In a ranged firefight, being a smaller target is quite an advantage for example. Easier to hide behind something, can fit into and use existing wargear and material, and so on.
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>>81724211
>Nobody in their right mind is totally ok with multiple ap2 pieplates
And yet HH and it's global meta looks like it looks like because of ap3-ap2 blasts many of them with ID because of S. And people roll with that and invest in this shit. Not saying I approve, on the contrary, but it's reality. No one will argue about taking a vindicator or Medusa (which are far more lethal than a single model with divining blade) the only point of contention is: how much. Bitching about DB is just hipocrysis.
>it effectively invalidates a whole swathe of other choices
You can take only one in the army. And it costs 55 pts. And it's not like without divining blade there all the choices were attractive anyway.
>power fist invalidates thunder hammer becaue it's cheaper and does the same but without the special rule that almost never comes to play
>power fist invalidates power axe (if applicable) because it costs 5pts more but gives you 2xS and ID.
>lightning claws being an oddball piece of wargear
>no one ever took: power mace, charnabal sabre, heavy chainsword
Same with Iron halo invalidating combat/boarding shields and refractor fields. Not to mention Special characeters who invalidate custom preators such as Sevatar.
>and worsens already existing issues with people feeling the need to points-bloat their already expensive warload into the stratosphere.
What? How people build their characters it's their own thing and it's not an issue but a strawman. Some people go light on options, some like to invest a shitload of points into equipment and have 250pts praetor. That's why AoD is cool compared to 40k. It's one of HH best features.
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Got my first ever FW kits. No warping or air bubbles whatsoever. Are people bullshitting about their qc or i got lucky? Also, sicaran is bigger than i thought.
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>>81723582
This guy seems trustworthy.
I want to follow whatever beliefs / ideology he has.
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>>81725707
You just got a good cast. FW can do good shit, heck there are even a few people who reported always getting excellent quality from FW. But there are also plenty of people that got send garbage each time they ordered from FW.
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>>81725598
Oh, undoubtedly. They can also fit in smaller spaces. But while Primaris are bigger and betterTM, Raptors were just better (with a few caveats.)
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>>81725724
>Misgendering in 2021
Anon, what are you doing? It's a she
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>>81725639
>Bitching about DB is just hipocrysis.
It's not hypocrisy if you bitch about AP2 pieplates as well, everybody and their dog agrees that they're too cheap and too easy to get hold of, and pointing at them as a way to ignore the issues with divining blades is pure whataboutery. Two wrongs don't make a right.
>And it's not like without divining blade there all the choices were attractive anyway
Which is a problem with the game, mostly relating to the AP system, but more of them were.
>Some people go light on options, some like to invest a shitload of points into equipment and have 250pts praetor
Yes, but all that a piece of powerful and universally available wargear does is push players into just picking that option if they're running a beatstick praetor, whereas what the game really needs, and used to have, is a variety of options at similarish prices which all have advantages and disadvantages, but none of which stands out head and shoulders above the rest.
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>>81725837
Actually yoou're being transphobic right now. WAS a she, but after transformation it's "it". With gender pronounce: Urkashak'alet'hurrgeratu'pokruu'ka
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Sorry if this is a stupid question or against the rules but would anyone happen to have Warhawk online?
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>>81725872
reported
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>>81720780
every word you wrote was wrong, in this essay I will
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So myself and a friend are looking to dip our toes into 30K with ZM. What books would we be looking at to have all the rules for Emperor's Children and Blood Angels? I figure we'll each need a different black book, as well as the ZM supplement itself, but I am not sure which books those would be or if there are additional ones.
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>>81725639
>You can take only one in the army. And it costs 55 pts. And it's not like without divining blade there all the choices were attractive anyway.
>>power fist invalidates thunder hammer becaue it's cheaper and does the same but without the special rule that almost never comes to play
>>power fist invalidates power axe (if applicable) because it costs 5pts more but gives you 2xS and ID.
>>lightning claws being an oddball piece of wargear
>>no one ever took: power mace, charnabal sabre, heavy chainsword
>Same with Iron halo invalidating combat/boarding shields and refractor fields. Not to mention Special characeters who invalidate custom preators such as Sevatar.
Glad you finally realized how fuck up the rule set is
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>>81726206
>What books would we be looking at to have all the rules for Emperor's Children and Blood Angels?
>EC
2 black books (army list and legions). Also FAQ from whcom site which applies to ageneral army list and has Palatine Blades "updated" rules.
>BA
Army list black book and HH8 Malevolence.

P.S. One who has chosen EC is a gentleman.
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>>81726253
Thank you! I'd like to think of myself as a perfect gentleman.
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>>81726224
Not him
How does your opinion change the reality? It was explained to you that divining blades are no biggy compared to other casual stuff that is far more destructive but you still sperg and make some dumb strawmen like "people shouldn't make expensive characters". And you also must be really retarded or really new not to realize that in any WH iteration some wargear options are better and some are inferir. According to people like you there should be only two way choice for preators: either you hope to do enough wounds with paragon blade (possibly rolling ID) or prey that you don't die before you swing with fist (which has ID). Hardly a wealth of choice and a fucking idiocy at that.
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>>81726253
>2 black books (army list and legions)
>Army list black book
These aren't black books
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>>81727652
Meant red, sorry. I go commit sudoku now.
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>>81723664
>I often wonder why is that people sperg about DB but are totally ok with multiple ap2 pieplates?
They aren't, so your entire post is nonsense.
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>>81727700
Your entire stay here is nonsense but it's rent free board so enjoy.
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>>81727700
>"I'm not okay with multiple ap2 pie plates but they are in the core list so I guess I can do nothing about it"
>"WHAAAT? A SINGLE DIVINING BLADE?! PG TO THE MAX, KILLING THE SPIRT OF THE GAME WHAAAA!"
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>>81727709
Yes, shitpost more with irrelevant commentary.
Divining Blade is a bad item because, in it's group, it is simply BETTER, with no appreciable downsides, than other choices by a considerable margin.
Just like the glut of AP2/3 shooting is ALSO a problem. Both need to be addressed.
Faggot.
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>>81727728
>I'm not okay with multiple ap2 pie plates but they are in the core list so I guess I can do nothing about it
Who said that?
You argue like a bluehaired troon.
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>>81727738
>In the grim darkness of the far future, there is no more room for advanced weaponry
>Abandon all power axes, plasma guns and multi-meltas, for here there is only the endless bark of boltguns and snarling chainswords
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>>81727738
NTA
Divining blades are no way a mandatory take, but vs certain opponents they are fully justifable. If anyone takes Sigismund or Sevatar, custodes Tribune or a primarch, they are fair game, all right.
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>>81727781
>underpriced weapons that nullify infantry is ok!
The fuck happened to this general?
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>>81727794
>take an ID weapon to deal with eternal warriors
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>>81727800
It's just too much fun poking the latest autist going ballistic
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>>81727774
You not being able to see that raging about a single preator with an ID on I in close combat is just retarded when you can remove a squad of 5 termies with a single shot from half across the board. And that you don't like it either doesn't change a fact that the game plays exactly like that. I bet you'd sperg about someone taking a DBlade and having 0 of the following: scorpius, medusa, vindi, arcus, because DBlades are SO EVIL and unfair.
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>>81727823
Who said it's about dueling said characters? Do you even play this game anon?
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>>81727853
see
>>81727738
>>81727700
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>>81727800
>>underpriced weapons that nullify infantry is ok!
Yes, it ignores not only armour save but also invulnerable saves. And it auto wounds. And every wound comes with ID bro. Oh and it always hits. Literally kills everything in base contact, no need to roll any dice.
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>>81727878
>see
>(posts that I made that tell you're stoopid)
>"my reply to your post are the posts you've replied"
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>>81727800
>weapons that nullify infantry
>in 30k
SHOCKER
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>>81727903
*still beats him*
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>>81727800
Please mathammer how many wounds a praetor with a divining blade and 5A will deal to 5 man cataphractii squad.
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>>81727938
you mean:
>once again played by inept IFfag Sigismund was left stranded in no man's land while his spartan was blown up
Yes, I agree.
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>>81727938
>challange denied
hurr hurr
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>>81727938
Still playing to annoying IF player stereotype I see
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>>81728014
>siggy destroys your squad while your HQ stands around doing nothing like a chump
hurr hurr indeed
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>>81724088
>letting random faggots you'll never meet dictate your opinion on something
A true son of Olympia
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>>81728143
>destroys your squad
>by being medicore while not in challange
please be retarded somewhere else.
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>>81727938
Reminder that Sigismund is illegal in battles before the Siege, because his Black Sword is not optional and was given to him by Malcador mid-late Siege.
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>>81725707
Honestly FW has been great every time I’ve ordered from them, there’s an occasional bubble or so but at least in the small sample size of my local community the bad is much less than the great. That being said I wouldn’t be playing HH without recasters just because I can’t justify $2(25+45) 140 bucks extra per ten guys on top of the cost of marines if I want fancy upgrades. Also the stopping production of MkII really pushed me away from them too. I get not keeping inventory but the fact that they discontinue so much and don’t do made to order kills me.
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>>81728214
>5 WS7 S6 AP2 attacks while giving the rest of the squad +1I on the charge is bad
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>>81728314
No one said you will get a charge mr.most optimal scenario always applies goalpost mover.
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>>81728346
Sorry you should have said in advance you're going to charge Sigismund while also planning to have your HQ twiddle his thumbs to avoid the challenge, why didn't I assume that from the start? Silly me
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>>81726224
thunder hammers should have Sunder

Sunder Hammers, there I said it, we're all happier
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>>81728401
Bravo
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>>81728401
10/10 post
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>>81723526
no, they add stability, which is actually a lot more important at higher speeds

see also Jesus Christ Lizard

https://youtu.be/CW0TijmAUqY?t=47
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Finally painting some Iron Warriors

WIP though
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I just remembered about that "matched play event" for HH, anyone know what happened there?
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>>81728401
Make Thunder Hammers S10 like they used to be. Then they have a place between fists and chainfists. Not as good against vehicle (10+D6 vs. 8+2D6), but better against non-Vehicles (ID T5).
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>>81728620
Used to be? Even in 4th Ed they were still 2x strength
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Anyone more familiar with old models, are these two of similar size and scale? If I took the backpack and axe from the techmarine and put it on the wolf guard, would it fit sizewise?
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>>81728684
Should be fine. SW is 2nd ed Techie is 3rd.
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>>81728653
I might have hurt my argument in my confusion, mixing 2e chainfist and thunder hammer, but because this is /hhg/, I will not admit to anything.

2e Chainfist was S10 and thunder hammers wounded/penetrated automatically, you just rolled for damage.
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>>81728766
Fair fair; I appreciate the clarification
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>>81728501
I can appreciate that you at least tried with the headswap but that's still pretty clearly a primaris marine.
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>>81728501
>>81729173
Should have shaved the Aquila off anon
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>>81729173
>>81729221
>Cut up Aquila
>Shaved Primaris Collar
>No visible Primaris pieces
>MK IV head

Guys his model definitely doesn’t look like a Primaris anymore
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>>81728748
That particular model, maybe, but seems to be in line with the 2e techmarines and uses the same backpack. So should work.
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>>81728684
yeah they're from consecutive waves of early 1990s releases iirc, should be fine, potentially might actually look a bit small next to modern plastics, but not by much, they kind of towered over the 1987 metals and plastics
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>>81729345
Size isn't such an issue as I intend to use him as a techpriest, rather than a techmarine. More of a legion tech-adept serf thingie. Like a non-marine underling to techmarines running the day to day operations at the forges and maintaining equipment. Hence the SM style armour and gear, rather than more Mechanicum style.

>mfw I spent almost 40€ on eBay on this crap
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>>81729279
Still has that U-shaped upper chest with the Aquila on it, which to me is one of the most obvious visual elements of the primaris design
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>>81728684
>second edition SW
>looks like a fag
things never change
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>>81720005
Literal cope.

The only decent thing Dorn ever did was founding the Black Templars, otherwise he's been a bigger spaz than Pert!
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>>81729918
>founding the Black Templars
It's like giving a universe aids that also makes you retarded
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>>81729918
>everyone insulting IW must be IF!
>everyone insulting IF must be IW!
>laughing alpharius.remembrancer
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Mechanised infantry RoW that lets you make disordered charges from non-assault vehicles, good idea or not?
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Warhaw is a fucking great book. A major feature here is Chris utilizing Erebus in the coolest way possible, that is:
a) To shit talk Abnett's smug, up her ass and annoying special OC snowflake, (aka. very important strong woman Erda) telling her how much her bitchfit has benefitted Chaos and even proposes her being a big chaos figurehead. I can't appreciate it enough that Wraight deliberately tells Abnett to his face that his idea was fucking moronic, even if it was agreed upon by cuckteam.
2) He kills her, ridding potential future of her influence in books.

Also Khan's duel and how he fucking owns Mortarion intellectually. Pure gold.

Haven't read any other Siege novels becaue I don't give a fuck. I hope Chris will write another novel for this shitshow.
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>>81730062
Are you me? The only thing here I disagree with is reading the parts about Erda
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>>81729995
No, not really. Not because it's "meh" but because I don't think that tampering with this using RoW would look good.
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>>81730087
What are you disagree with anon? Let's have a discusion!
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>>81730062
>>81730087
the best part is that, even though it’s spread out, the erda/erebus and pious/john stuff is really slim. probably less than the length of a chapter put together
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>>81730141
No you don't understand, reading the parts about Erda is what I disagree with, I skipped the sections that mentioned her, same with the p*rpetuals.
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>>81730155
Yeah and they weren't as obnoxious as when Abnett does them.
Also I really liked origins (?) of Ecclesiarchy burninating things.
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>>81730158
Ahhh ok anon. I'd recomend you read it though, with really cool Erebus owning her in a field of reason and showing her consequences, she can't accept.
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>>81729995
Honestly would be overpowered.
You pay 115pts minimum for the privilege of assault transport (dreadclaw).

Losing the charge bonus is nothing compared to not getting a full round of shooting to the face.
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>>81730062
>Also Khan's duel and how he fucking owns Mortarion intellectually. Pure gold.
Yeah. That was a small and unexpected shocker (in a good way). Khan was really the dude and his vengeance on Mortarion was master crafted, artificer, paragon made.
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>>81730062
>>81730316
Care to give a spoiler why was it so special?
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>>81730346
it was just well written. also khan trolling morty by calling him stinky (literally) and it working was just gold
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>>81729918
>The only decent thing Dorn ever did was founding the Black Templars

somebody had to put all those loyalist Iron Warriors Blackshields to work
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>>81730346
ok but be careful
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>>81720012
Salamanders "trial by fire" squad.
Units goes like this

4-19 "yet to be tempered" marine Ws4 bs4 T4 S4 W1 I4 A1 Ld7 hardened power armor, bolter, bolt pistol.

1 Firedrake leader Ws5 bs4 T4 S4 W2 I4 A3 Ld9 cataphractii terminator armor(does not give relentless to the squad), power weapon, storm bolter.

Unit may swap bolter for chainsword, one power weapon every 5 models, one special weapon every 5 models, may take either combat or boarding shields.
Firedrake has all the options of a regular firedrake sarge.
While the firedrake is alive they all get stubborn.

Possible ideas would be to either increase the amount of special weapons, to show the salamanders extensive weaponry.
Or something like if they're all BtB with shields they get relentless.
Another option would be to be able to give everyone a dragonscale shield.
Thoughts ? It seems weird to me that despite supposedly excelling at zone mortalis the XVIII has no special breacher squad.
Also i'd give pyroclasts the option to take melee weaponry
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>>81730062
If you really think this was written as a fuck you to Abnett and not a plot point/characterisation they discussed and agree on then you're a fucking idiot or a child
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>>81730382
>>81730410
This but also (main reason):
During the duels Khan and Mort are having a conversation about choices and paths taken. Khan calls Mortarion weak and hipocritical with Mortarion denying saying that Khan knows shit. Essentially for entire duel Mort is beating the living crap out of Jaghatai until the end when Khan, though mauled, start to actively figt back. Mortarion realises that Khan allowed himself to be beaten and asks "why" on which based Warhawk aswears that he basically did it on purpose to show Mortarion how weak he was and how feeble his endurance and strenght of will was. Mortarion gets the point and flies into extreme rage and his self control slips allowing Khan to get close enough to deliver a kiilng blow. Duel ends with Khan banishing Mortarion and getting himself "killed" in the process.
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>>81730709
Mayby you're a retard and can't read yourself, but I assumed it's a possible option. Also you're retarded if you think that every scene is discussed in detail by entire team, instead off: "this character's arc should end here, you do it."
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>>81730410
>I should have taken on the Legion Master. I should have fought Typhon.
GOD FUCKING DAMN!
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>>81730770
NTA but while i think wraight doesn’t think highly of the perpetual storyline i think you are stupid to think he went ahead and slighted abnett. he also explicitly states that the whole sot team works together in outlining the novels in the authors notes.

it’s obvious you’ve never worked professionally with a team or in a field where your personal reputation matters.
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>>81728401
>large AV14 5HP building with Tanglewire
>5 Generic Legion Terminators with Thunderhammers
>on charge .16667 chance of taking a wound re: Dangerous Terrain, if suffered, .16667 chance of losing a wound
>if 5 terminators survive 15 attacks on charge, if 4 terminators 12 attacks on charge
>15A, 10 hits, 1.7 Glancing Hits
>12A, 8 hits, 1.3 Glancing Hits

>if Sunder Hammers
>15A, 10 hits, 3 Glancing Hits
>12A, 8 hits, 2.4 Glancing Hits

this... might actually make hammering Reavers to death viable even with Towering Monstrosity, can't be bothered to mathhammer it but pretty sure WE 10-man termies stand a chance before the thing stomped em all to death
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>>81730346
>'I led my Legion as I saw fit,' the Khan snarled. 'You might have tried the same.'
>The White Tiger flashed, going for the jangling cables at Mortarion's neck, but it was swatted aside.
>'I led the Death Guard before you were even found.'
>The Khan held his ground against the onslaught, muscles screaming as they propelled his blade into dazzling arcs. Sweat pooled across his burning skin, mingling with blood now.
'Not sure your First Captain would agree.'
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>>81730856
>it’s obvious you’ve never worked professionally with a team or in a field where your personal reputation matters.
>oblivious to group interpolitics, alliances, backstabbing and slow erosion of opposition by different means
NTA and I have no stakes in this discussion about BL books, but if you want to play smart at least get the first job because you seem to be unaware how real life looks like.
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>>81730915
Khan has two blades, one being his dao the other his sassy wit.
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>>81730915
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Is it worth it to take a DA allied detachment with BA for all those juicy stasis shells?
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>>81720012
>Word Bearers Compliance Warders
>3-5 models
>Tartarus armour
>heavy flamers with Torrent, optional Volkite Culverin
>Axe-rakes, optional chainfists
>scorched earth, bitter duty, hammer of wrath, night vision
>Deacon of Compliance may take a Phosphex Harness, Nuncio Vox
>Deacon of Compliance: Preferred Enemy (Characters), may sacrifice 1 Attack when fighting in a Challenge to reduce number of enemy Attacks by D3, to a minimum of 1.
>Edifying Flame: Volkite and Flamer attacks (except Hammer of Wrath attacks) made by a model with this special rule lose the Deflagrate and Soul Blaze rules if they had them. Instead, Volkite and Flamer attacks made by this model apply the following rule:

>If a unit suffers one or more unsaved wounds from an attack with the Edifying Flame special rule, it is set ablaze and continues to burn - mark it with a coin or counter as a reminder.
>At the end of each turn, roll a D6 for each unit with an Edifying Flame counter on it. On a 2 or less, the flames die out and the unit is no longer ablaze - remove your reminder counter. On a 4+, every model in the unit takes an immediate Strength 4, AP5 hit with the Ignores Cover special rule. Place another counter on the affected unit each time it survives this secondary burning - for each counter it has when it takes such a test in subsequent turns, the Strength of the flame is improved by 1 (to a maximum of 10) and the AP is improved by 1 (to a minimum of 1), eg on the second turn of burning the Strength is 6 and the AP is 4.
>A unit cannot have a Soul Blaze counter on it at the same time as an Edifying Flame counter - Edifying Flame always takes precedence, even if the unit already had a Soul Blaze counter on it.

can't decide if they should just have access to LR, Anvillus pods +/- LR, or Anvillus + Teleport with requirement to hold in reserve

obviously overcosted flavour unit for everyone to bitch about, DT arrangement not compatible with popular rites etc
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>>81731212
>obviously overcosted flavour unit for everyone to bitch about, DT arrangement not compatible with popular rites etc
Forgeworld, hire this man
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>>81730062
It is. Also I like how those Siege of Terra books tell the same story. Most of HH felt more like stories in a setting than a proper narrative, but Siege of Terra is one big event told a lot of writers. Also most of them brought their A game, even writers I don't like seem to be doing a great job.
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>>81728423
>see also Jesus Christ Lizard
>
>https://youtu.be/CW0TijmAUqY?t=47
>SWIGGITY SWOOTY I'M COMING FOR THAT BOOTY!
JESUS CHRIST IT'S JESUS CHRIST! THIS SHIT IS HORRIFYING I'M NEVER MAKING FUN OF MARINES' THIGH GAP AGAIN.
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>>81730915
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
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>>81728501
he dindu nuffin, poor lad
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>>81720012
>Emperor's Children
>Sunkillers
>Lascannon heavy weapon squad
>Hardened Armour
>BS 5
>Tank Hunters
>Can reroll on damage charts for penetrating hits

Gives EC some elite unit that isn't melee to help push their theme away from dueling autists a bit into generalized perfection of warfare.
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>>81727853
>Not having gentleman agreements about what shit to take
>Please don't take divining blades or spam AP 2 pieplates
>Okay as long as you do the same

I mean shit if someone wants to go full bullshit with me I'll welcome it. Ordo reductor matrix of ruin, 2x2 medusas (phosphex included) and 2x2 krios venators all of which are scoring in the opponent's deployment zone supported by thallax and fearless tech thralls and an archmagos reductor with cyber-occularis. Or you know we could both agree to not bring bullshit units and weapons that invalidate choices completely.
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>>81731705
>>BS 5
>>Tank Hunters
>>Can reroll on damage charts for penetrating hits
OP as shit to have all 3 of these I think.
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>>81731798
>Or you know we could both agree to not bring bullshit units and weapons that invalidate choices completely.
Do people actually play any other way?
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>>81731869
>mfw my friend's WE tactical blobs crash into my IF breacher blobs after I've been shooting the shit out of him for 2 turns and it's all I can do to hold that motherfucking line has he slaughters me so he can't attack my juicy heavy weapon squads
Why would anyone want to play any other way?
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>>81730856
>it’s obvious you’ve never worked professionally with a team or in a field where your personal reputation matters.
>GW
>FW
>BL
>WH community page/facebook
I miss this fat dictator nigga like you wouldn't imagine.
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>>81731839
You do realize how horribly overcosted lascannon heavy support squads are without added rules and gear, right? A five man lascannon squad with hardened armour is 260 points. These guys will probably be close to if not over 300 points minimum.

As for lethality for a five man unit vs AV 14
>4.16 hits
>1.26 pens (rerolling glances too)
>0.87 explodes results

So you are paying more than a land raider for a small, squishy unit that cannot move and shoot to maybe have a chance of oneshotting a land raider. You still can't pen flare shielded spartans from the front and will have a difficult time engaging a spartan from the flanks before they can unload their cargo. Maybe you can snipe leviathan dreadnoughts, but that's spending 300 points on as highly specialized and easy to kill unit to kill a 300 point unit that's generalist and hard to kill.
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>>81731970
>if they can't make their points in the first turn they're bad
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>>81731917
>Why would anyone want to play any other way?
No idea, I have been slowly drawing off players from 40k and making sure to let people know to play for fun and narrative. Last game was against custodes and he loved it, it was his first game. I enjoyed to see the look on his face after he told me successful wounds and AP and I just picked up the entire tactical squad. Custodes squads just shrugging off a hail of fire to almost no effect, advancing easily. He rolled poorly for his charges and then the counter charge came, jump pack troops dropped down and killed a bike before it could retaliate, dozens of marines died in melee to spears and swords but the power fists came crashing down and the custodes guardians dwindled while the dreadnoughts secured victory, killing the last of custodes terminators even as Valdor carved through all opposition.
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>>81731970
To add to this, a laser destroyer rapier is: twinlinked so better than bs5,
has ordinance which is better than tank hunter, and
Ap1, which has better odds of boom than a reroll on the pen chart.
Oh, and it's effectively a 3 wound, T7 fat fuck.
How much do you pay for this megaman?
55 fucking points.
How much is a lascannon man? 45 points or some shit?
The rapier isn't even a fucking HS slot, so is even better, especially in HS limited rows. It also bypasses many ROW/LA restructions that apply to infantry units but not artillery.
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>>81732007
Considering it's a five man unit (or I guess you could spend like 450 points to get pointless wounds) that can't move and shoot and only can fire five shots a turn and only has bonuses against vehicles, yes. Most opponents could easily wipe out the unit before it can do anything if they get first turn because it's just 5 T4 3+ wounds. And when they do that's 10% of your points gone without even getting to shoot.

You're paying twice as much as a terminator for a marine with a lascannon.
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Anyone know a safe way to strip primer from a forge world model? I fucked up spraying my Fulgrim and when I tried to get the primer off before it dried, it made things worse. I used Army Painter Matte White, for context.
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>>81730410
Chris in the Afterword says that the Khan surviving or walking away alright after the fight with Morty is something unthinkable so he used it as a means to take out the Khan from the Siege by having him "die" afterwards.

So I have to ask. How come a Primarch struggles against a daemon Primarch while a marine does not (Draigo)?
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>>81732258
Because Draigo is SUPREME Grand Master of the most purest and greatest (SECOND to the Ultramarines of course) Chapter, the Grey Knights.
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>>81730957
>>81730856
>>81730770
Chris said in the Afterward that the Perpetuals are the third option for mankind. It doesn't have to be just the Emperor or Chaos. He also said it remains to be seen if the Perpetuals will survive in the next books and carry the torch of hope to the future.
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>>81732258
It makes me wonder what will happen with Sang. I assumed in the ADB book he'll fight Angron and end up breaking him over his knee but to pull that off Snag will have to reach Mary Sue levels not yet thought possible.
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>>81732258
other than plot armor draigo is also specialized in hunting daemons and khan isn't. psyker warpbullshittery and all that.
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>>81732344
Sang break's Ka'Bandha not Angron
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People blame Erda but they don't entertain the possibility that she prevented a far worse future from coming to pass. The Emperor's plan was madness.
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>>81732359
except she didn't affect the emperor's plan in any way except give the chaos gods a chance to fuck with the primarchs
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>>81731212
>Word Bearers Rite of War: Iconoclasm

>Effects
>Compliance: Ashen Circle and Legion Destroyer Squads may be taken as Troops choices using this Rite of War.
>Ritual Purification: Flamer and Volkite weapons carried by models in the army gain the Edifying Flame rule while within the enemy Deployment Zone.
>Iconoclasts: Terrain feature special rules which grant Loyalist armies any kind of re-roll, such as The Eagle's Gaze or The Omnissiah's Benediction, cease to apply to those terrain features for the remainder of the game if any Ashen Circle or Compliance Warder Squad from this army is within 3" of the terrain feature at the end your player turn.

>Limitations
>The Primary Detachment must contain at least one Compliance Warder Squad.
>The army may not include more Legion Terminator Squads or Legion Veteran Tactical Squads than Compliance Warder Squads.
>Ashen Circle or Legion Destroyer Squads must be taken as compulsory Troops choices using this Rite, and the Primary Detachment must contain at least one Ashen Circle Squad.
>At least one Legion Moritat must be taken as part of this army.
>The Warlord must be a Legion Praetor, Erebus, or Lorgar.
>The army may not include a Fortification Detachment or an Allied Detachment.

too broken? being able to drop assault and flame the fuck out of the enemy zone with turn-on-turn burn in hell rules sounds maybe a little strong
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>>81732353
Yeah but I assumed they swap them. Angron is currently rampaging around the palace (or thereabouts) and him vs Sang has been teased in book 2.
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>>81732359
>the possibility that she prevented a far worse future from coming to pass.
such as? I'm genuinely curious how it would have been worse if primarchs stayed on terra.
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>>81732374
>>The Warlord must be a Legion Praetor, Erebus, or Lorgar.
Why dick over Kor Phaeron/Delegatii/Heralds/Zazu from the Lion King/Hol Beloth?
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>>81732380
The Primarchs would be unquestioning slaves to the Emperor. They would create a realm of tyranny and oppression that will never end. Humanity's ability to decide its own fate will cease. And the Emperor would be free to guide violate nature in his quest to guide humanity's psychic evolution.
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>>81732376
I mean Sanguinius is canonically the most Mary Sue of the Mary Sue Primarchs, so it's not like him casually dismantling Angron will even raise an eyebrow anymore
The real hack writing would be Khorne withdrawing his blessing from Angron hoping to steal Sanguinius as his real favored champion
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>>81732440
Sounds based to me.
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>>81732374
>>81731212
way too many rules. these are more rules than any legion specific or rite, and they’re fiddly despite representing something fairly straightforward.
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>>81732418
I was thinking something along the lines of specialists within the Legion who know what to burn first as opposed to burn everything, the Dark Gods will know their own
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>>81732440
>Pretending like that is any different than what we got
Humanity already lost all choice, Erda did nothing to stop that. It's serve the Emperor or serve Chaos. There's no true free will.
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>>81732444
I could see that happening desu.
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>>81725724
>Do whatever you want, but always do it at 110%
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They’re getting there. Needs a bit more work plus the bases, but I’m happy with them so far
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>>81733005
Wow 4chan really washes some of the color out of pics, interesting
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Maybe it's because I'm rusty with lore, but how did the BAs managed to keep ahold of libby dreadnoughts? Did something in the Heresy show up that allowed them to keep it?
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>>81733064
magnus shared the lettuce thing with everyone, but apparently everyone ignored it except BA 10k years later. page 211 from inferno
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>>81733116
Thank you.
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Wassup anons,

Need your experience. Since book 8 dropped it's big steaming shit on the game, what has your actual experience playing with/against daemons of the ruinstorm been?

Have they struggled with dreadnoughts as prophesised?

Have you ever seen a game where the daemons player couldn't place a single warp rift and lost by default?

Has anyone used any of the shooting attacks besides a barb effectively?

Please tell me they aren't the dumpster fire they looked so I can feel less bad about cutting and shutting shitmar models to make generic thicc daemons
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>>81733005
blue gems look great
i especially like the sword on the guy in the middle. looks perfect
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>>81723582
Who the fuck are most of these people? Is that a BA dude?
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>>81733457
>Who the fuck are most of these people?
Looks like Kelbor Hal on the left side above the Word Bearers, then Maloghurst, then Abaddon plus Terminators, then Horus, then the Red Angel (a daemon possessing a Blood Angel's body), Ahriman and his boys, then one of the Davin cult leaders, then Ric Flair.
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>>81733294
>>81733294
>>81733294
>>81733294
Ok so my opinion might be a mixed bag since I play a Khorne Demon army.

Playing them is fun as hell and my main priority is always just to rush the fuck out of the enemy. Having a lot of BIG demons is very disorienting for a lot of enemy players and it’s very fun to just wreak havoc amongst any army; that being said I also play Imperial Fists and Custodes. Strong shooting and strong melee units will be tough to break at times, and counterattack CC units will fuck you up if your opponent is smart.

Dreadnoughts will be hard to deal with unless you have multiple MC’s or Beasts/Brutes with Sundering Fangs. Drowning dreads in bodies is a viable option at times.

No on the rifts. I haven’t ever seen that happen.

The barb is amazing for shooting; but other shooting is ok for just lightly softening up. The army is CC based unless you’re Tzeentch based.

They’re a super fun army. They’re a little hard to make competitive but they will absolutely fuck up most marine armies. Laugh as you drop 50 models will rending into a 10 man Terminator unit.
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>>81723582
why does Perty have a gun sticking out of his mouth?
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>>81733543
I think that's actually a knight.
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>>81733543
Pert isn’t there MDGYN
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>>81733568
god damn urrite

that is some deviantart-tier "all my faves in one image" autism, I sure hope GW specified all those dudes being there
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>>81733917
It’s from the 2003 art book. It was specifically done that way.

Long before Knights were in the game. Note how it’s built like the very original warlord Titan
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>>81733932
i think it’s the kaliban machine
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>>81732258
10k years of development in anti-daemon combat. Also IIRC Draigo had access to Mortarion's True Name which greatly weakened him.
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>>81733064
Say thank you to maggy now
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>>81723692
Ahriman is not really black, he's more of a delicious brown type. I haven't seen any black TS, nor do I remember reading about them, but I guess they could plausibly exist in the Legion, especially among the Terran recruits.
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Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment
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Is there any mention anywhere if the Termites are crewed or operate more like drop pods on a pre-determined path? If crewed, is it dependent on the faction or do they all just have some battle servitor operating it?
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>>81736362
The head on the 3d printed bikes is questionable. I can really see the print lines from that pic.
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>>81733932
>Long before Knights were in the game
Knights have been in since Rogue Trader
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>>81737056
The heads are the only part of the bike that aren't 3d printed
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>>81723582

Is that a classic looking Reaver Titan on the Left, in the Background?
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>>81737268
Warlord.
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>>81737278
Ah, thought it was this bad boy here.
(Too bad I'm all for the Armiger pattern)
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>>81720012
Death guard praetor.
Don't care just want them to finally have one.
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>>81737249
What the fuck is that base supposed to be
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>>81730410
>>81730736
Why is Khan such a bully ;_;
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>>81733005
Reported for bullying loyalist iw players
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why did they rerelease the Destroyers? Destroyers with jump packs have been in the store all along, they are identical sculpts.
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>>81730062
Chris Wraight spends half of every HH novel unfucking everyone else's plot points and characters. PoH is the best example, single-handedly making the Emperor's actions sensible with Dark Glass and the conflict with the navigator houses, and also managed to redeem the Emperor's Children and Eidolon from being one-dimensional cartoon villains.
Also, the meeting engagement between the White Scars and the Death Guard in Warhawk is the only battle in a Siege of Terra novel that actually feels appropriate in scale, rather than like a hundred dudes bum-rushing each other whilst some giant robots shoot lasers in the background.
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So my local HH league has all legions represented but team Jacob and team Edward.

Do they have merit in play or are they just anchors around their players necks?
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>>81737608
Team Jacob and Edward?
Space wolves and night lords?
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>>81737608
The Wolf Wolves of Wolfworld
>+1WS on the charge, counter attack, acute senses, night vision, +1 to run and sweeping advance rolls
>a lot of weird army building restrictions
The Bloody Vampire Angels lead by Bloody the Vampire Angel
>+1 to wound in CC all the time
>must have more space marines than vehicles
>must sweep and can't go to ground
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>>81737655
>a lot of weird army building restrictions

Only three.
1. Compulsory HQ must be fulfilled by a Praetor or Centurion (doesn't have to be your warlord, so can take a Delegatus in smaller games for RoWs).
B. Mandatory 1 HQ per starting 1,000pts., allowing more HQs to be taken than there are slots in your detachment.
And lastly, all your Troops get Support Squad, except Grey Slayers, so they're effectively filling your compulsory Troops slots unless you're using a RoW that allows you to use other units as Troops/compulsory Troops.
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>>81731917
>mfw my friend's WE tactical blobs crash into my IF breacher blobs
cool story you lying retard
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>>81728501
Should've left him as a loyalist. Custodes are known for stomping Primaris from time to time after all..
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>>81737861
As they should.
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>>81732258

Because if the supreme grand master of the specifically incredibly specialised anti-daemon experts couldn't beat a daemon, it would raise all sorts of questions as to who *can*. Ascending to daemonhood makes you stronger against 99.9% of the field and gives you an Achilles heel against the 0.1%, and Draigo is that 0.1% corner case.
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>>81737027
aren't abby and the boys riding termites in saturnine when they go delving deep?
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>>81737608
the primary downside to playing yiffs is the lore, which is why i paint mine sprue gray and say i'm IInd legion rather than be associated with the worst loyalist primarch and his band of zoophiles.
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>>81738059
>I don't want to paint my models or engage with the fluff but I still want the OP rules
Average Vlka Fenryka hater
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>>81738059
Congrats, you're worse.
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>>81737608
>>81737655
>Do they have merit in play or are they just anchors around their players necks?
Both can be decently competitive legions, but they're both very prominent in 40k so perhaps that's why people don't tend to go for them.

With BA because their LA rules favour CC and bringing plenty of bodies, and because their decent RoW does as well, you're likely to be led down the route of running lots of assault marines. Dawnbreakers are decent, angel's tears are destroyers but better, and Sanguinius is one of the superior primarchs as he has the mobility to fly around murderfucking all your opponent's stuff so you don't need to sink hundreds of points into a transport for him.

Wolves get grey slayers, who are better than most other troops choices, and Russ is one of the best primarchs in a fight. Their list building restrictions can result in them having fewer points to spend on toys though, and their overpriced special units don't help with that.
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>>81738067
if you think the yiffs are op you're as dumb as leman russ is.
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>>81738122
>>81738067
disgusting furry paws wrote these posts
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>>81738059
I was on Lemons side until a black book revealed it was him who started the religious worship of the Emperor, as the Allfather, on Fenris.
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>>81738189
elaborate?didn’t notice that in book7
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>>81738156
>2nd legion shitter thinks he's better than anyone
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>>81738130
>Dawnbreakers are decent
except for obvious error they are just a cheap and broken Palatine Blades ripp off
>angel's tears are destroyers but better
broken as well, stop whitewashing
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>>81738245
>IInd legion
Loyalist legions destroyed via incompetence - 0.
Times Primarch failed to kill Horus - 0.
Times Primarch tried (and failed!) to kill Magnus the Red despite being told not to - 0
>Yiffs
Loyalist legions destroyed via incompetence - 2
Times Primarch failed to kill Horus - 1
Times Primarch tried to kill Magnus the Red when told not to - 1
Times Primarch referred to self as Emperor's Executioner, failed to be at Siege of Terra, failed to execute anyone and was generally shit - Birth til present.

It's just math.
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>>81738385
see >>81738245
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>>81738216
Page 80 my dude.
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>>81738407
>the Emperor agreed
So there's literally nothing wrong with it, Space Wolves win again
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>>81738407
So he really did do nothing wrong.
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>>81738407
>space wolf religion ok, word bearer no
>space wolf magic ok, thousand sons no
Fucking special snowflake
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I really hope the Khan model is good (and on a bike)
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>>81738563
All his best scenes have him with no bike.
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>>81738429
>It SEEMS the Emperor agreed
your reading comprehension and cherrypicking is worthy of the VIth
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>>81738277
>>81738563
Funny that Pajeet was so devoid of ideas for the units that he decided to bastardize EC units for use in IXth and Vth respectively. Dawnbreakers being a !Palatine Blades ++ and Khan being !Fulgrim - with a bike option.
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>>81738586
and?
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>>81738655
Bikes are gay, and the model will be superior if he is on foot.
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The Khan model won't have him on a bike.
He'll ride his rhino.
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>>81738277
>it's whitewashing to point out that units are good
You know that 'good' in this context just means that something is strong for its points cost, right?
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>>81738593
Yeah the Emperor seemed to have agreed beucase otherwise Leman wouldn't have done it/been punished for it like certain other less loyal Primarchs.
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>>81738674
Except he rides a Stormbird, Leman Russ and a Thunderhawk in that order
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>>81738668
Is "got into white scars because Khan was so epic in the latest capeshit novel" specimens like this gonna be a new trend
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>>81738709
He rides Leman Russ?
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>>81738694
Or he realised that it makes no difference because Fenris was essentially a snownigger reservation world and that it won't spread to the rest of the Empire.
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>>81738429
>Space Wolves win again
>win
>again
When was the first time they won anything?
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>>81738715
It's been a trend since the Heresy started. Before there was only Fat Blokes army.
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>>81738715
some convoluted and autistic logic going right here
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>>81720012
White scars

Koumiss Assault squad
technically just Assault marines squad with drunken-monk fleur

Bosozoku Outriders
Excessively decorated jetbikes, serve as bullet magnets with all that bling and anime opening blasting from every corner
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Should I choose the legion whose fluff I like better or the one who has better rules.
Can't decide between 2 legions.
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>>81739306
dubs and you play salamanders instead
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>>81739306
Fluff duh

>>81739174
>Drunken monk
This would be awesome. Or perhaps monk scouts.
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>>81739306
The legion whose fluff you like better. Unless it's Iron Warriors
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>>81739339
Would rather suicide
>>81739349
>>81739340
I really don't like the way they play though
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>>81738631
Has he been replaced yet?
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>>81739365
Tell us the legions then you big fag.
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>>81739378
Long time ago. He went to less intellectually demanding work at CA, he occasionally trolls 30k community, unaware of the irony.
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>>81739365
Just use a generic rite of war then
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>>81739379
DG for rules
NL for fluff
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>>81739544
>NL for fluff
If your taste is shit
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>>81739544
Did I accidentally stumble into bizarro /hhg/ again?
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>>81739544
Bizzare, also they're tight allies, so do both faggot
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>>81739572
>>81739582
>>81739616
I love the terror based tactics of the NL and how they are renegade even before the heresy and ofc sevatar.
Curzes methods are also interesting.
As for the death guard I really like heavy, tough armies. And their armor seems a bit more serious than the NL.
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>>81739689
nice troll dude. You should really play SW with that attitude
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>>81739704
>Implying
Answer me unironically what's wrong with the NL and DG
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>>81739689
>and how they are renegade even before the heresy
Their "renegade" period ended with Istvaan V after which they were full traitor. They are not special snowfl...
>and ofc sevatar
ah, I see.
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>>81739711
>what's wrong with the NL
They're in that weird halfway realm where they're simultaneously too edgy to be cool and not edgy enough to wrap all the way back around to cool.
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>>81739795
Fuck you bitch yes they are
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>>81739795
That's the point.
They are basically the shadow the hedgehog of the astartes. It's fun.
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>>81739857
>It's fun
If you're a teenager or a fan of ADB literature, yes.
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>>81740053
>Everything has to be serious extra dark grimdark
t.actual teenager
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>>81739689
NL are hilariously inept at fighting astartes tho
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>>81740067
>strawmanlet
watch less anime kid
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>>81739711
>what's wrong with the NL
I don't like Jago Sevatarion.
>and DG
Nothing, they're perfect.
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>>81740067
Show me where NL are "funny" lore wise, because people describing their aestethics as halloween props and saying they look like they're trying to hard (ie. pathetic). is not the lore argument. Just that they look like crap.
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>>81740067
>shills for a legion that is an incarnation of grimderp sadism
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>>81738407
Glad someone remembered that Russ tells Horus when they first meet that people on Fenris were calling the Emperor the Allfather, the king of gods in Fenrisian culture back on Wolfspear
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>>81740349
no one cares
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>>81737246
Do not even try to tell me that thing is based off of RT designs when the original Warlord design exists. The old Knight designs are almost NEVER referenced. Just Google the damn thing
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Are sicaran battle tanks worth taking in the list? Venator and Arcus do a hunt tanking better, bu don't have that cool look.
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>>81740801
>thinks FW is the only "right" source
ok zoomer
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>>81740824
FW plays no part in this discussion lmao

The original Warlord is old GW and this art is from a GW art book released in 2003-2004

Try harder
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>>81740814
Absolutely. They do a great job at murdering light/medium armor and skimmers. I never bother taking heavy bolters on them unless it’s the Venator as Lascannons plus the main turret are amazing as punching through most things.
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>>81740877
What are the odds of taking down at least 1-2 HP out of AV 13-14 though? Or better to avoid such targets and focus on lighter armour?
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>>81740948
If needed you can definitely do some serious damage to AV13-14. You can expect the Lascannons to do well there, but the Accelerator Autocannon is churning out 6 TL S7 Rending shots a turn; you can expect it to reliably chip a few hull points off a turn with the combination of those weapons.

If you’re really lucky you can pop a whole Vindicator squad with one round of firing like I’ve done, but your average rolls will see you killing a Predator or two a turn.
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>>81741058
Nice models
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>>81741058
Ok, thanks I guess it requires a few playthroughs then. I have only fielded venators and they are probably the best AT thing out there and when my friend runs a SBT it's always comedic with the amout of shots that miss, even with rerolls.
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>>81741133
Thank you!

>>81741144
That’s fair; Venators are often the final word in anti-armor but are massive targets while the regular Sicaran is just a great all-rounder that can wear multiple hats with ease
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>>81741051
30th of October is Warhammer Day, it'll be revealed then if it's going to be released before 2023
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>>81741051
Take your meds.
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Genuinely wondering.

How effective is running 50-60 Tactical Marines in a 2-3k force? Even with lots of pie plates it seems worth it to just take lots of cheap bodies.
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>>81741409
you won't need effectiveness when you have SOUL
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>>81738563
He should get two. One on and one off a bike.
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>>81741523
He should be the bike.
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>>81741483
It's not soul and you're a retard.
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>>81741523
This, we know at least Morty/Magnus/Fulgrim/Angron are going to get 2 models why wouldn't Khan get two?
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>>81741544
>noooo you can only take quad launchers and medusas noooooooo
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>>81741544
Shoulder to shoulder astartes mobs is the essence of 30k
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>>81741523
>the bike is on his scenic base
>you can field him on foot on the small base or put him on the scenic base and have the mounted stats
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>>81741648
Where exactly? Because we're discussing an actual gameplay and not wsting yours/opponents time
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>>81741686
>Where exactly?
In front of your opponent's astartes mobs, duh
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>>81741546
>we know at least Morty/Magnus/Fulgrim/Angron are going to get 2 models
They're Daemon Primarch models are probably just going to be the GW models and not a second wave of sculpts by FW.
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>>81741699
Sad!
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>>81741693
>doesn't play
>but has imagiantion how battles should look like
>projects it as an actual state of affairs
ok autismo
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I sincerely hope that new AoD army and Legion list will be finally balanced with no dead units like rampagers, phoenix terminators or vanilla ones like recons.
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>>81741648
no no stringing three 20-man blobs out in a long line along each table edge with Outflank to deny your opponent the ability to bring in reserves while you mop up his starting blob with pie plates and pretend it's fine because it's in the rules even though they've literally patched it out of 8th and 9th editions years since but those are babby games for babbies we play men's games for manly men here you babby is the essence of 40k, while the little twist of lime on top is saying "undercoat is paint, what do you mean, they've all got three colours at least and they're based" when you've got forty pebble-dashed tacticals in presumably some legion's colours if not the one you're using rules for standing on top of shit-brown flock
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>>81741846
based stroke having anon
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>>81741846
I think this one needs the Emperor's peace
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>>81741846
the legendary medds tay’kum
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>>81741846
someone call the apothecary
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>>81741743
>>81741846
Now this is advanced schizophrenia, the kind that'd even make Curze take a step back
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>>81742220
Reductor work, aye.
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>>81742220
DEATH OR HEALING, I CARE NOT WHICH YOU SEEK
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>>81741573
>doesn't play
>claims that people who do not take arbitrary "soul" choices are powergamers
Behold! a retard has psoken
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>>81742310
>people who do not take arbitrary "soul" choices are powergamers
Yes
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>>81742310
>people who do not take arbitrary "soul" choices are powergamers
They are.
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>>81742310
NTA but if you're intentionally taking certain units in your list because they're powerful crunchwise.. doesn't that make you a literal powergamer? As in, picking units only because they're good on the table and not because you like their fluff/think they look cool/etc?
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>>81741846
Based madlad tell it how it is.
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>>81742364
>>81742421
samefagging and autism intensifies
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>>81742472
There are units that are very powerful, units that are good, servicable units and units that are just bad. No one here is talking about taking the most powerful option, you're making a strawman. By all means run your praetor with power sword only or take even 120 tactical marines if it tickles your "soul" requirement but when talking about list building for a match replies "lol take it cos SOUL" are worthless.
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>>81742472
>As in, picking units only because they're good on the table and not because you like their fluff/think they look cool/etc
What if somsone likes different direction or aspect of fluff than you? I for one love the idea of Angels of Death and all air-flying aspects of Astartes Legion. I'd run a list with 3 stormbirds/raptors and lots of jump packers (ie. angel's Wrath) etc, but fat fucks would instantly flip out because "nooo too many flyers". What now?
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>>81742698
>stormbirds
*storm eagles
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