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Aunt Pig edition

>Resources (Rules, lore, and Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay)
WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwh
WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6
Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H

>Warhammer Wikis
https://warhammerfb.wikia.com/wiki/Warhammer_Wiki
https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

>Alternative Models (WiP)
https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL

>Warhammer Video Games
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>>81718326
Kislev should get a Bogatyr hero.
Just a really customisable hero choice, with interchangeable rules (similar to Black Sheild rules in Heresy but for a character, not a whole army) that you can properly make /your dude/.
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Anybody knows what is this? It says GW 1985 on the back
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>>81719695
It's probably some form of Chaos Warrior or Cultist.
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>>81719755
The age is old enough it might be from a range no longer in production. I thought I had an old Dark Elf of the same year but it turns out it was a Melnibonean.
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Been collecting old metal Bret models lately as I've never painted Brets before. Do you guys think I should keep with the old models for the peasants or wait for new peasants when TOW launches? The old peasants, like, say, peasant bowmen, are plastic anyway so the only difference imo would be less samey models in the upcoming TOW kits. Men-at-arms seem to be difficult to track down in large quantities as well, so I'm really considering waiting for TOW to get my peasants.
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>>81720508
All I can tell you is I think the last run of peasant kits were really good and worth having. It's a question of if you want to save money or wait several years on a maybe that might not even look as good to you.
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>>81719695
That looks kinda like Chaos Warriors from WFRP1e.

>>81714061
>>81714184
I know the greentext is fake, but I do really think Delves might be the worst part of the Warhammer setting. There's a lot of dumb shit in the setting but it's usually parts of a larger picture, not the whole thing, so you can ignore the bad and keep the overall good/sensible. Delves though feel completely dumb and unnecessary as a whole. Aside from the very few instances like the second anon I quoted, Delves have zero depth, character development, or personality. Every Delf male is an edgy anime villain and every Delf female is either an edgy anime villain or an edgy hentai character. "ow the edge" feels like the only trait male Delves get and female Delves don't have anything going on besides cooming. Malekith is just a psychotic edgelord whose only personality is being a psychotic edgelord, Morathi is just an evil whore and her only personality trait is being evil and fucking everything that moves, and they both set the tone for the rest of their race.

Like unironically what do Delves add to the setting besides being evil and then allowing people to either live out their 2001 Myspace emo-suicide-goth profile page angst or their coombrained addiction to rape and incest fetishes? As edgy and dumb as they are even the 8e named Chaos characters like Valkia and Sigvald have at least a little more depth than that. Maybe 8e/ET Archaon or Drachenfels are the only ones who come close in being so stupidly one-note.
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>>81715177
Tbh I fell for one myself when some threads back some dude was like "Hey remember in the malus book when malus rapes a pregnant elf then chokes her with her unborn child" and no one refuted it at the time, it legit made me lose interest in Warhammer for a bit until I found out it was fake. Responding to bait is bad but when it's outright disinfo or outrage-baiting I think it helps to address it and call it out.
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now lore i DO like is the drachenfels story from 2005 white dwarf where sigmar appears and goes into castle drachenfels and fights archaon but gets his ass kicked thus ultimately proving chaos is the best, and the hot scene where shallyans start lezzing out prior is also great fluff
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man i really wish aos didnt happen. the WFB world is so much more rich than that multiverse shit. I hope they write more stories and books and stuff in the old world once the reboot thing happens.
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>>81718326
>Previous: >̶>̶̶1̶1̶3̶7̶6̶0̶9̶6̶
What went wrong?
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>>81721269
the worst part of the Warhammer setting is and always has been Chaos
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>And it's over the hills and over the main
>To face the foe in Sigmar's name
>Karl-Franz commands and we obey
>Over the hills and far away.
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>>81721994
Chaos is fine when it's magic evil demon vikings from the north led by schizophrenic emotion-gods.
Chaos is the worst or second worst part of the setting when it's chaos always wins and there is no hope because good is dumb burp nihilism morty.
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What is your favorite DoW unit?
>We are Voland's Venators, the drunken calvary
>We cannot march, we cannot fight, what wretched knights are we
>But when we see the enemy, our heads are very clear
>We charge straight for their baggage camp and liberate their gear!
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someone last thread was asking about skaven jezzails.
i have used them in skaven vs skaven to snipe out monsters, combo with a grey seer scorch to remove regen and the six i usually bring can kill a hell pit abom or several rat ogres a turn, and even when they need support to remove regen the grey seer doesnt have to commit more spells to an otherwise dangerous monster meaning he can do more useful things instead of being distracted by stuff

just pick something expensive with a good armor save or high toughness and start shooting, even just three or four is a lot of damage potential
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>>81720508
There's nice plastics for peasants from fireforge and Oathmark
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Question to those who know the lore, is there an instance in some novels or somewhere else, where humans have teamed up with skavens? Even if it's just a temporary alliance.
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>>81722657
Thanquol used gay human and mannlet pair to kill his rivals.
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>>81722657
Brunner was employed by Skaven.
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>>81719245
Actual slavic stuff in warhammer? No way! We should add more bears, how about priest of Ursun who wears bear pelt and also rides bear for example?
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>>81721766
In Flanders Fields, the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.
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>>81722704
>>81722724
in skavenslayer there's a noble Von Halstadt, who makes a deal with skavens to use them as his spies, but of course he gets used by the skaven for their own plans instead

but what I meant was more like humans fighting side by side with ratmen, has this ever happened?
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>>81722825
Lol no furfag.
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>>81722825
Chaos fights along skaven if you count.
Yellow Fang cult should too.
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>doesn't pay jannies
>can't afford to allow 8+ mb filesizes
Have a less than HQ map of Reikland.
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Is Bardin heretic or chaos dwarf?
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>>81722825
>did humans ever team up with a chaos race
haha no silly
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>>81722881
Why would any human want to join this cult?
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>>81723172
Rat pussy.
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>>81723172
>Rats are cute
>join to pet cute rats
>PROFIT
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>>81723142
I didn't mean skaven and humans holding hands and singing kumbaya
more like a rare situation that forced them to temporarily work together for self-preservation reasons
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>>81722057
>Fifteen Dwarfs and a dead Dwarf's chest
>Yo, ho, ho and a flagon of ale
>Each one a goner means more for the rest!
>Yo, ho, ho and a barrel of ale
Long Drong's Slayer Pirates, in part due to them stirring my imagination of naval battles in warhammer (the Generals Compendium is also responsible for that)
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>>81720508
Can't see them making new ones (in the same style at least) since they're too historical
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>>81723033
DELETE THIS ELGRAM UMGAK IMMEDIATLY
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>>81723188
Look up Warhammer ahoy.
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Why chorfs never invaded west?
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>>81723172
because they are traitors, who hope that they somehow can save their asses by working for the side they think is going to win
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>>81723204
what do you mean invaded? they went raiding for slaves often
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How large is the planet's axial tilt?
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>>81723231
The only time they fought Empire is when Tamurkhan happened, are there other examples?
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>>81720508
>Do you guys think I should keep with the old models for the peasants or wait for new peasants when TOW launches?
Depends, do you want to pick up something now or wait 2 to 3 years for TOW to hit the shelves?
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>>81723172
Skaven aren't psycho murder-death-kill-kill, most of them anyway. They're treacherous but they're willing to bribe and otherwise pay their way into getting allegiances with other races. Eshin probably brokers deals with corrupt officials of other realms frequently, IE "We'll kill this *insert rival* for you and in exchange you *do thing*."
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>>81723234
Here they are fighting now
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>>81722657
>2387 -- Prince Karsten of Waldenhof employs Skaven to undermine the walls of the invincible Castle Siegfried in Sylvania. When refused their warpstone payment, the Skaven steal all the children of Waldenhof.[1b]
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What's the difference between a Wargor and a Beastlord?
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>>81723356
wargors are too dumb to lead a whole herd
just high ranked from being the killiest of gors
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>>81722938
I fucked up the scale, my bad.
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Are gyrocopters worth it in 6th? 140pts is a lot for a giant eagle that might might get its template off once then die.
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>>81723369
if you think it looks cool take it.
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>>81723364
I mean I'm pretty pissed off right now.
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>>81723348
>Three units of horse archers, one unit of winged lancers and a unit of outriders
>'Empire army'
God I miss those days though.
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>>81721269
Dark Elves are literally just Assyrians or Aztecs but LESS evil.
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>>81723371
you have the right attitude
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>>81723172
Yellow Fang cultists believe that THEY are the master race and the Horned Rat will cast down the skaven in the ultimate betrayal to elevate them as the true lords of the world when victory is attained.
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>>81723204

Their entire history is based on trying to survive in an inhospitable deathtrap because it contains incredible mineral wealth. Despite everything, they have managed to survive and even grow. They can now quite happily hide behind their fortress walls and enjoy the fruits of their industry, which don't appear to be ending any time soon.
Quite simply they don't need any more territory, and they couldn't hold it even if they did. There are enough Dwarfs to keep the greenskins in line and enough workshops to keep them busy for a lifetime.
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>>81723348
This was part of a series of battles between the empire and chaos dwarfs + greenskins, right?
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>>81723197
Will do, cheers!
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>>81723418
I googled Yellow Fang and ended up falling down a terrible rabbit hole.

https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Warriors_Wiki
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>>81723434
Yeah. The gathering of might. Theres three battles in white dwarfs 181, 183 and 186
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>>81723446
Noe this takes me back
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>>81723464
SOVL
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>>81723454
>>81723464
Absolutely lovely
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>>81723454
>>81723464
my favourite minis are the chorf lammasu and the steam tank. beauts
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>>81721995
>3shotsaminute.gif
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>>81722057
Probably Vespero's Vendetta. Everytime I look at his picture I think of *teleports behind you* etc
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>>81722057
Cursed Company
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>>81723179
>having a rat on your face
wtf is wrong with humans today
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>>81723454
>>81723464
the era of kino. 5th is a very fun edition to play as long as you put a total points limit on characters.
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>>81723369
>2000 Thorpe's book
No, they are trash
>2005 Haine's book
Yes please, they are excellent.
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>>81723559
Is 4th any good? I noticed Battlescribe has it, oddly enough (as it doesn't even have 6th).
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>>81723413
No, not really. When someone asks about gaming "it's cool" is singulary unhelpful. As for buying/collecting stuff - yes, it is right attitude.
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>>81723587
It's basically the same but some army books are different (notably the difference between "Undead" and "Vampire Counts". Not sure if Battlescribe is accurate but putting together a list the manual way is very easy.
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>>81723454
>>81723464
And none of it photoshoped like they do these days. Just an honest several kilos of pewter.
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>>81723587
depends what level you are playing it at. It's not much fun competitively but a lot of fun as a beer and pretzels or narrative slog.
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>>81723596
i disagree. if your army is cool enough you will have fun even if you lose
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>>81723596
I could get trounced playing my chaos warriors and I'd still have fun because God damn are my little tzeentch worshippers cool.
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>>81723672
>tzeentch chaos warriors
I can imagine them getting bullied relentlessly for being nerds.
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>>81723418
I should also add that working for the skaven can be IMMENSELY profitable. Skaven have a ton of gold and don't value it at all, and will gladly pay you an embarrassment of it in exchange for things they DO want (slaves, intel, food, 'favors'). Having recourse to the rats to kill or spy on rivals is nice. Even shit like spent warpstone dust is hugely lucrative to humans (it can be sold as a narcotic). Or course this eventually always backfires. Skaven look down on all other races, and an individual skaven thinks only he meets the ideal of a proper skaven. They're paranoid, cruel, and capricious - they WILL betray you.
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>>81723360
Are Beastmen warherds and tribes interchangeable?
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>>81723762
you can imagine an army as being composed by members of multiple tribes
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>>81722657
There are cults of humans (notably the yellow fang) who fear the Skaven's inevitable victory and do their bidding (borderline worship them in fact) in hope of being spared. It's a decidedly one-sided partnership though, the Skaven see them as useful idiots only good for above-ground errands where they won't draw attention.
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>>81723505
Now that's soldiering
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>>81721269
Try repeating that again but without buzzwords.
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>>81723606
Isn't it like 5th ed where heroes can have absolutely disgusting magic item combos and solo entire units?
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>>81723817
Some members of this and similar cults are brainwashed and released slaves, too.
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>>81721303
>it legit made me lose interest in Warhammer for a bit until I found out it was fake
Then you are unfortunately part of the problem.

You heard something retarded, and rather than verifying it or doing some cursory checking you let it impact you in some way. The faggot posting missinfo is obviously the bigger issue, but anons have some level of responsibility to not fall for that nonsense.
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>>81721269
if there were no delves then elves would be too perfect
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>>81723172
Personal gain, why else would anyone be in any cult ever? They think theyre going to benefit from the arrangement.
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>>81719695
>putting black painted mini on a black background
just for that I'm not telling you
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>>81723850
Well, while heroes can have magic item combos that make them particularly strong, they usually will fall to rank bonus if you try anything too crazy with them. The insane heroes were the 5th edition VC book Blood Dragon character combos and the 5th Chaos book combos with mark of Khorne. Those characters end up being 600+ points though for just one dude which can easily get instakilled by magic or other shenanigans. As long as you put a max 25% of points allowed to be spent on characters limit to your army 5th edition plays fine.
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>>81721269
>but I do really think Delves might be the worst part of the Warhammer setting
Then youre either a moron or know very little about the setting.
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>>81721269
Dark elves are what allowed the dark eldar to exist in 40k. I know nothing about them in fantasy, but I'm glad they existed if only for their legacy. They also have some nice plastic models.
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>>81721303
He does rape a human woman, let his men run train on her, then torture her to the point he flays off her face though. We know this because he tells this to her love - another captive, a knight, who she offered herself up to protect. He flaunts her flayed face at her, informs him that she recanted her sacrifice and begged for mercy, then throws the guy overboard to be torn apart by mermaids.

Malus is as capable of incredible cruelty as any checkmarked twitter user.
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>>81723627
Your army could be the coolest looking thing in the world, but if you get utterly trounced because their rules just suck then at most its going to sting all the more.

Dont mistake "cool but noncompetetive rules" for "looks cool", one does work, units that arent viable but do cool things when they work out can be fun to play with even if you lose, but thats not aesthetics or lore.
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>>81723861
I'm not in favor of removing the druchii in the slightest, but even without them elves would still be cruel, arrogant race nationalist pricks.
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>>81723886
>a knight
He was just some villager afaik, a knight would probably fetch a high enough price to warrant keeping around.

But yes, Malus starts out the series incredibly based.
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>>81723910
>but even without them elves would still be cruel, arrogant race nationalist pricks.
Which would still be morally superior to everyone else by a country mile.
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>>81723886
>a knight, who she offered herself up to protect.
Youre missing the best bit, the entire reason this happened was because the woman was chosen by the other captives to be spared but begged Malus to spare her lover instead.
Then she begged him to forget it and spare her instead after getting tortured.
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>>81723916
The only truly morally correct faction is the Tomb Kings.
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>>81723942
you forget bretonnia
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>>81723878
I see, thanks for the info
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>>81721269
>I don't like edgy elves because they're edgy
what were you expecting from chaos elves?
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>>81721269
Malekith has more to his character than pretty much any other fieldable army character
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>>81723951
>90% taxes
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>>81723850
It's not called "Herohammer" without reason anon.
Heroes, Warmachines and elite units. Everything else was basically trash. And there were lots of items (both magical and mundane) that autokilled on a wound or a characteristic test.
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>>81723999
Based ancap elf
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>>81723938
Later, Malus tortures a grasping but then largely-irrelevant cousin until he goes insane purely out of annoyance at his attempts to curry favor. Malus is very much a nasty fellow.

He DOES get an arc of sorts though, where he learns to rein in his impulsive cruelty as being mostly useless. He genuinely vaues Hauclir (and even makes a sacrifice for him), and comes to regret how he mistreated his retainers. Of course he's always pretty kind to Spite, his nauglir, and is rare among druchii in that he tamed him via empathy rather than resorting to their slime.

I think my favorite bit of the novels is that Malus is a genuinely gifted and heroic military leader, but he himself does not seem to notice this at all, even when it steadily improves how other druchii see him.
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>>81723942
Weird way to spell "Bretonnia," but alright.
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>>81723999
They generously gift most of their due back so that the peasants can eat. What kind rulers.
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>>81723861
>then elves would be too perfect
Escept they wouldn't be, HE are arrogance and assholery personified, elffags seem to unconsciously blend WH elves with Tolkien ones.
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>>81721269
are there any actual instances of normal dark elves being needlessly cruel to one another? not talking about power hungry tyrants or mad cultists of khaine, but about the most common populace
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>>81723999
peasants don't deserve the 10% they get
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>>81723996
enlighten me
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>>81724006
>until he goes insane
Doesent he show up later? When Malus ends up at Naggor.

The books are pretty good at making Malus face consequences for the various things he does, like with Lhunara. Which reminds me I need to find and read the prequel short story.

>>81724016
Define normal. Malus pals about with common criminals and pressganged dock-scum for a bit, and theyre criminals and shit, so theyre not exactly nice.
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>>81724010
Wierd way to spell Necrarch Covens, but ok.
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>>81723800
Oh I get it now! It's like greenskin tribes and WAAAAGHS!
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>>81724023
On?
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>>81724032
malekith's character
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>>81724040
Do you mean his arc or do you mean "I am a retard please explain to me the basics of who malekith is because I don't know the lore"?
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>>81724016
in the Archaon books the Witch Elf lord protecting the black arc containing the everchosen mark pretty much lets her entire army get butchered so she can get to it first. Recall some short story about a dark elf opening the gates to a fortress to let high elves in to kill the Lord and most the guards
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>>81724062
I mean prove your fucking claim that malekith has more character than any other character
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>>81724023
Son of the greatest elf hero ever, great expectations.
Denied a serious chance at the crown due to elf politics.
Pitched the tent for most old world elf settlements.
Correctly surmised that the Chaos threat should be aggressively pursued rather than ignored, prosecuted a campaign against the forces of the dark gods to delay their recovery.
Befriended the dwarfs. Understood then better than any other elf ever. Had the genuine loving friendship of their high king. Was emotionally devastated by his death.
Had the credit for his accomplishments stolen by the soft, lazy Phoenix King who beat him for the crown.
Was seduced by his own mother, steadily corrupted by her.
Betrayed the memory of his last true friend, betrayed his king, betrayed his home, betrayed his people, ultimately betrayed all sanity and reason out of narcissistic rage with his attempt to destroy the Vortex.
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>>81723356
A wargor doesent lead as much.

Its like the difference between an exalted champion and a chaos lord, a wargor who becomes strong enough starts calling himself the beastlord (possibly after killing the previous beastlord in ritual combat) and people accept it.

In practical terms a beastlord has enough power and influence to unite multiple tribes into one army, he binds the force together. Wargors would simply be the sons of chieftains and the strongest fighters, but not yet generals in their own rights, still subordinate to the wills of others.
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>>81724025
>Doesent he show up later? When Malus ends up at Naggor.
Yup. Crippled, crazy, and vengeful.
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>>81724075
>not talking about power hungry tyrants or mad cultists of khaine
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>>81724075
First of all
>Archaeon book
Second, witch elves aren't exactly 'normal.' And about half their cult has been subverted to Morathi, who's a Slaaneshi whore (well, not in 8/ET, but in Warhammer).
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>>81724082
>he was the best elf ever, until he became retarded
character
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>>81724099
power hungry tyrants and mad cultists of khaine ARE normal dark elves, it's the edgelord faction.
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old tzeentch is cooler than new tzeentch
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>>81724134
old everything is better than new everything
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>>81724134
What's the difference?
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>>81724142
i think i prefer middlehammer to oldhammer tho
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>>81724149
the horrors looked cooler and were made of metal
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>>81724142
It's sad but it's true. I want to go back to a time when I was excited for new things and not just vainly hoping they won't fuck it up even more.
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>>81722057
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2C96SewVVg
It always makes me smile when I recognise a historical reference/inspiration in warhammer.
Reminds me that thr lads who were working on it were also big historical fans
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>>81724126
no, it's the ones we heard of because they're on top
what I'm reaching at is that dark elves are considered retarded because people give for granted that all dark elves, at all steps of their social hierarchy, behave in such extreme ways as the religious cult of murder and the nobles attempting power grabs, but that might be an unfair assumption, maybe the rest of the dark elves are not so different from any other elf in the way they have friends and families, despite the edgy armour, spooky iconography and black robes
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>>81722057
the dreadnought. had very cool animations
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>>81724162
imagine dying before AoS. imagine that bliss
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>>81724158
what kind of old are we talking about here?
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>>81724076
>than any other character
Than the fieldable army characters, your Karl Franz's and Tyrions and whatever else.

I haven't read enough of the books to make the claim on all characters, not to mention the books tend to contain less one dimensional characters than the stuff you get to include in your army.

If you mean "why is he a deeper/more complex character than pretty much any other AB character"? Because, in the simplest terms, hes not one dimensional. Hes a character with real flaws and virtues, as opposed to your standard "they're just great and perfect and noble and the best" heroes or "they hit things good and like evil" villains.

Malekith was talented and great with people, a skilled warrior and mage and someone who could have been a great force for good, but circumstance and his character flaws (his ambition and his lack of purpose) led to him becoming one of the greatest villains of the warhammer world, someone who is directly or indirectly responsible for more evil than any other single being short of possibly Nagash.

>>81724166
>despite the edgy armour
Ironically the edge of the armor was largely toned down in 8th, compare old and new spearmen. Shame they ruined executioners.

>>81724158
And diazmonettes were better than the new ones, dont miss old bloodletters and plaguebearers though. Or the old LoC/KoS/GUO/BT.
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>>81724174
either. i can only get my hands on the ones on the right sadly
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>>81724075
>Recall some short story about a dark elf opening the gates to a fortress to let high elves in to kill the Lord and most the guards
Do post the source anon, you do have it right?
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>>81724152
middlehammer is based honestly and a lot of people mistake what they think is oldhammer when it is infact actually middlehammer.
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>>81724177
i agree with bloodletters but i love the old greater daemons.
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>>81724212
Some of them have their charms, but theyre largely pretty derpy.

I do like the old BT face though.
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>>81724212
The Azazel model is awesome.
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>>81724280
"Dark Asur" is probably my favored dark elf aesthetic.
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>>81724280
Damn, evil asur look awesome.
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Just painted up an Organ Gun and I want to put it on a base, just scenery. Would the size have any affect on gameplay? I want to fit the 3man crew and stuff on it.
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>>81724322
Yea, I wish we got more models in that style (or like the art in the 7e AB)

The "cold militarism" route of design was always my favorite one for Delves, old Nagarythe larp.

>>81724357
Shouldnt really, the only important part is the cannon itself, the rest is just decoration.
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>>81724371
Is the cannon that takes hits or the crew?
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>>81724376
The cannon, the crew are markers for all intents and purposes. You cant hit them with templates, they dont count as being in base contact and so on.
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>>81724207
How would you define it?

I like to think of 1-3rd as oldhammer
4-5 as middlehammer
6-7th as latehammer
And 8th as shithammer.
But I know some lump 6th into the middlehammer category.
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>>81724357
not at all
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>>81724385
3-5: Oldhammer
6: Middlehammer
8: Latehammer
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>>81724207
people just can't agree on what counts for what because the only true definition for each era is
>before my days : oldhammer
>during my days : middlehammer
>too new for my tastes : latehammer
>literally why I quit : nuhammer
which is obviously rather subjective
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TOW will be scuffed like the latest rules GW has released. I sincerely hope none of you guys are getting your hopes up too high. Get ready for them to ruin Old World-era lore and introduce shit rules with stuff like shapes for moving (like the new Kill Team).
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>>81724376
depends on the edition
>>81724385
that's how most people see it, though as you say sometimes people lump 6th into middle and put 7th and 8th together.
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>>81724470
>rules
who cares
people who are waiting for TOW certainly aren't
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>>81724492
So are we just waiting for the models, then? Who is the target audience for the rules, anyway? Surely they don't think people who swore off AoS and stuck with WF will adopt some new, scuffed rulebook.
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>>81724311
Must be the ones who still genuinely think they'll ever getting back to Ulthuan as they're still bothering to dress like old.
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>>81724470
>caring about the rules
All I want is models. All the 3rd party Warhammer models look like ass. I'd be happy if they just started selling the old kits again.
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>>81724513
They won't reproduce old kits.
Honestly, I would rather buy old kits on eBay that are marked up in price to hell and back than buy whatever new shit sculpts they come out with during TOW's lifetime, and that's exactly what I've been doing.
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>>81724495
>Who is the target audience for the rules, anyway?
new people, including aos players
and the people who were new enough to get into warhammer in its late days but weren't old enough to consider alternative systems
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>>81724532
>I would rather buy old kits on eBay that are marked up in price to hell and back than buy whatever new shit sculpts they come out with during TOW's lifetime
sounds like a statement that will not age well
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>>81724541
So they expect AoS kids to switch over to TOW? Seems unlikely to me. I don't know, maybe I'm retarded, but this whole TOW thing seems like a mistake for GW in terms of making money.
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>>81724513
tfw was a poorfag when they did fantasy made to order.
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>>81724546
I hope to be proven wrong. I would love if we got new sculpts that look good but with all the digitally-sculpted crap they've put out for the current games I really doubt I'll regret buying old kits.
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>>81724532
I don't think they'll fuck them up that badly. There are still a lot of old miniature lines still available they need to match the style of. Kislev is fucked though, everyone I've talked to is interested in cossacks, tartars, winged hussars, but GW has its own ideas. Blood Bowl 2 did Kislev better.
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Is Archaon being King of Norsca and the Northmen only a part of the End Times?
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>>81723541
Its clearly elf though.
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>>81724016
>are there any actual instances of normal dark elves being needlessly cruel to one another?
Behold, a story of a Corsair captain sacrificing a valuable slave instead of letting his crew get harmed.
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>>81724429
Apart from contrarian faggots and trolls on this Eritrean clay pot making forum, I've never seen any real disagreement.

1-3 Oldhammer
4-6 Middlehammer
7-8 + ET Latehammer

A tiny handful of lunatics will assert 7th is Middlehammer, but they're wrong and very, very stupid.
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>>81718326
>the orcs are at it again
TODAY I WILL REMIND THEM
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>>81724826
What does Bolgorg do?
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>>81724826
Is Bolgorg an acquaintance of Saltzpyre by chance?
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>>81724851
EAT
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>>81724851
KILL
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On the heels of that Norsca conversation yesterday, what are some adventures you'd run for a party of young Norse either freshly past their manhood trials or on the cusp of them?
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>>81724851
FART
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>>81724001
Yeah, I knew it was Herohammer, but I didn't know how much levels of cheese it could be
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Someone asked about how people run fimir a couple of threads ago. I excise the rape thing myself, there's already beastmen for that, so it's just retreading old ground in a slightly different way. Fimir clans are actually a mother and her sons, as well as her mate(s), the dirachs. Adult males will leave their family unit to try and court a female, but as they're rare this is an exceptional event. If he manages to woo her then she'll teach him sorcery. Somewhat an inverse of how the skaven do things.

They still kidnap humans (or anyone else), for the usual slave reasons but also to sacrifice to bind daemons. One area I go back and forth on is their relationship to Chaos. I always liked the idea of 'discarded favorites,' and sometimes l like to lean into the fimir really resenting this. When I run them this way they mostly follow Malal.
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>>81724826
>bolgorgposting is still alive
You love to see it.
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>>81725022
But do you run their base infantry at 25mm or 40mm?
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>>81724911
-monster hunt in the wilds
-trying to look cool enough to join a raiding party
-group joins a whaling ship not understanding what they're getting into
-Kurgans show up and fuck everything up
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>>81725072
Shearls as 25mm, fimm as 40mm. But I'm talking WFRP here so that's not a consideration I really have to make.
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>>81724753
No one realistically plays 1-3. 4-5 is Oldhammer. 6th is Middlehammer. Rest is Latehammer.
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>>81724826
BOLGORG
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What's Bolgorg's stance on Chaos Dwarfs?
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>>81724911
-Raid a neighbouring tribe as a show of force
-Going of to Tilea/Marienburg to work as mercs since they've heard some people pay well for good fighters
-Trip to Lustria in search of gold in sole ruins. Raiding is a bonus
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>>81725495
pig>cow
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I'm got Gotrek and Felix and I'm enjoying it a lot. What are some of the best Warhammer books to read?
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>>81725536
Everything CL Werner
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>>81724280
For all the clusterfuck that is End Time, there's some part of the book Khaine that I liked. Caledor going all secessionist, both faction starting to merge, others popping up. HE and DE finally portrayed as being more nuanced than big badies vs the true nice guys of the setting.
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>>81718326
I've been homebrewing some battlefield objects to spice battles up, and came up with following:

>Ruined Prison
>A derelict jail with just one - most dangerous - prisoner remaining, and its Warden.
>If your unit is in base contact with the Prison, a champion or character can issue a challenge to the Warden for the fate of the prisoner.
>Defeating the Warden allows the jailed hero join your army.
Warden will be an ogre because I want to use this model, and because an ogre bruiser is a decent enough challenge to make this a decision.

I need to figure out two things:
1) What could compel an Ogre to watch over a prisoner for an extended length of time? I was thinking Shadow Magic, but not sure. Can an Ogre hate someone long and deeply enough to decide to stick around to make their life a living hell?
2) What kind of hero would it make sense to trap in such a manner? Keep in mind it must be open-minded enough to join any army that frees him. I was thinking either an Orc Boss, blessed by Mork (or possibly Gork) with magic resistance, so a Grey Wizard decided to imprison it instead.
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>>81725799
Dark Elf sorceress had particular hateboner for *insert elf character* and enchanted Ogre with mind controlling helmet to imprison him.
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>>81725799
>Can an Ogre hate someone long and deeply enough to decide to stick around to make their life a living hell?
If a skaven can have a friend (Queek), and an orc can command a company of highly disciplined crossboworcs (Ruglud's Armoured Orcs), then an orge can hold a lasting grudge.
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>>81725799
A vampire, perhaps. The question of how you successfully jail a vampire is a tricky one, but certain of their like would repay freedom with brief aid.
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>>81724753
trading groups seem to disagree with you, though
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>>81721269
I like to think of it as being the mirror reflection of an overly good and noblebright faction. Sometimes their behavior seems unrealistic; same for a faction that's amazingly evil and dark. How do you still make a society work like that? It's a fun exercise instead of leaving everything in a maudlin, realistic middle.
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>CA don't mention Nippon at all.
>namedrops ogers, chorfs, even khuresh
Confirmed they squatted Japan for Chink power fantasy.
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>>81722057
Leopold's Leopard Company.

>were kind of bastards, but are piously making up for it
>rad uniforms
>flag
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>>81725966
Reminder that the Great Bastion barely holds back the weakest Chaos culture in the setting (weaker than beastmen).
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>Banner of the Last Stand
>A heroic last stand once took place here.
>Tattered remains of the banner and shattered shields still lie on the spot.
>A unit in base contact with the banner can choose to do one of the following:
>1) Make itself Unbreakable for one turn, as soldiers rally around the banner.
>2) Wave the banner making all Fleeing allied units within 12" immediately rally and reform.
>After that the tattered banner disintegrates.

Not too OP for one-use thing?

>>81725826
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>>81725854
Oh, these are good. Thanks!
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>>81725966
Who cares, we don't need weeb shit in warhammer.
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>>81722057
birdmen may not be the best, but they are the first thing I think about when someone mentions dogs of war
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>>81725783
is that from skavenslayer?
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>>81725799
it's the ogre himself: a grey wizard trapped him in a cell and used his own shadow to guard the prison
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>>81726105
Wow, that's actually pretty cool.
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>>81724163
Nigel and the Perry's are some serious history buffs
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>>81726105
good one
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>>81726159
>Nigel
no he's not. At least his contribution in army books doesn't show that. You can't even compare him to a guy who has lost his arm in historical reconstruction.
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>>81724163
That period has ended with the beginning of 7th edition unfortunately. Previously WH designers drew inspiration from history, later it became homogenic GW circlejerk with WH being an inspiration for WH.
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>You can't even compare him to a guy who has lost his arm in historical reconstruction
To be fair, that's a very hard level to compete with
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I'm drawing inspiration, among other things, from HoMM games, and naturally many objects there require some sort of money system.
So I was thinking something along the lines of:
>Every army has Gold Coins to spend equal to 10% of point limit (e.g. in 2500 point game both sides would have 250 GC)
>If unspent, Gold Coins turn into extra Victory Points at the end of the match.
>They can also be spent when in base contact with certain objects (e.g. a wandering merchant) to gain certain bonuses (e.g. a low-level magic weapon, or maybe shields for entire unit)
>Certain other objects can grant additional Gold Coins.

What do you think?
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>>81726272
to be honest I never understood chariots and cavalry, historically speaking

moving around fast and without tiring surely is useful, especially when we're talking about putting troops in the right position or getting out of harm's way

but how could a cavalry or chariot impact against an enemy formation and not fall or smash apart when the horse was struck?
fantasy units performing monstrous or heroic actions is one thing, but how did history even work there?
did they just pluck at the edge of formations or very loose groups?
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>>81726369
Underestimate the force of impact a big-ass animal can create, and that's even ignoring the rider.
Look at charge of the Rohirrim in third LotR movie. See how it mows down orcs like a tidal wave?
That movie very much understated the impact they would have made. IRL its more effective.
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>>81726320
I think triumph and treachery had a similar mechanic for bribing a player against a third one
I guess you could spend the coins to buy mercenaries, or even to buy enemy units so they have to pass a test at some point during the game and see if they remain loyal, act as if they had stupidity or become part of the enemy army
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>>81726096
Yup.
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>>81726369
horses with dudes ontop are really really heavy.
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Why did GW kick William King out of writing Gotrek and Felix? The other writers can't even compare.
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>>81726413
I can understand the force of impact, but we're talking about impacting against swords and shields or walking over tumbled men
what are the chances the horse wouldn't get wounded, or trip and fall over?
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>>81726369
Do you know how big a horse is compared to a person? And how fast it moves, converting all that speed into impact force. This isn't like when your dog gets too excited and leaps on you, this is something so big and heavy it'll knock you and the guy behind you over, and even when the third guy stabs it it'll crush him when it falls.
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>>81726437
And very very scary.
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>>81726485
they couldn't all be suicidal charges
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>>81726369
Chariots (at least the celt ones) weren't used to plow into your enemy. They were more like mobile skirmish platforms; you ride close to the enemy, dismount, toss javelins and the get back in. Sometimes they'd dismount and engage the enemy, so what they'd do is circle around and then hit them in the reae with the dismounted lads
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>>81726556
Though I'd like to add, the egyptians used chariots as platforms for archers while the hittites did use them to charge in, but used heavier versions than the egyptians (three riders instead of two) and lances
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>>81726369
>but how could a cavalry or chariot impact against an enemy formation and not fall or smash apart when the horse was struck?
Becaue that's exactly how they didn't fight.
Chariots used as rams is purely warhammer thing. Cavalry as well.
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>>81726469
First of all, a horse is a lot more durable than you think. Thick bones, tons of muscle. Mostly it would just get flesh wounds. Plus they usually had barding.

Second, so a horse dies. Its still a big heavy object moving with high velocity. If it got impaled on your spear, it will still crush you with its bulk. And maybe the man behind you. So even if they died, your formation is still disrupted.

And third - this is all assuming you actually stand and take the charge, instead of breaking and running or trying to duck. Its kinda game of chicken, except guys on horses are indoctrinated into martial valor, courage, discipline, that sort of thing. They WILL charge you. Will you stand?
Know what made Swiss infantry so terrifying? Simply the fact they ALWAYS stood their ground.
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>>81726535
No, it's a bunch of horses all charging in unison with the momentum of the horse and rider behind them meaning they can't stop or turn away even if they wanted to. That's called a charge.

There's a reason you see armored cavalry even as late as fucking WW1 (at least the beginning of it), because for so long the cavalry charge was so effective at smashing into infantry.
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>>81726605
>as late as fucking WW1
Soviets still used Cossack charges in early WW2. Mavhine guns kinda mase them inefficient tho
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>>81726586
Chariots were used to shoot from distance, not charge enemies.
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Considering TWWH3 Cathai roster will defenitely be also used for TOW, what do you think about it? I expected more pandas, monks, and word "jade" everywhere, was pleasantly surprised first two are missing and last one is used sparingly
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>>81726535
First few cavalrymen will die, sure, but first line always dies, that's norm.
But others will trample infantry's bones into dust
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>>81726671
GW will realize how mistaken they were and beg for forgiveness. They will fire all the nu writers and remove all the feminist stuff from their games. We will go back to the golden age.
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>>81726605
Ok, the knights and 99% of the guys in the picture are of the teutonic order. But who is the guy with a round shield?
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>>81726706
Auxiliary from slav tribes.
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>>81726706
He's illustration how much knightly helmets obscured vision
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>>81726671
I expext that we will see more of the fantastical and mythical units of Cathay in DLCs, for example the Monkey King will have it's monkey men warriors and there is already mentions of Crowmen that work for Cathay
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>>81726369
>moving around fast and without tiring surely is useful, especially when we're talking about putting troops in the right position or getting out of harm's way
And that's the crux of it. Even if you remove shock cavalry from the equation, fast, missle cavalry was always the king. Moving fast and where you want them being coupled with access to projectile weapons made them practicaly a perfect weapon that could only be countered by mass shooting or other light cavalry. Vs normal "close combat" infantry they were a nightmare. Imagine 50 horse archers stoping a stone throw from you and peppering your tightly packed 1000 man formation with arrows. You could do literally nothing about it. And remeber that real warfare was not a computer game (not trying to insult you) but when soldiers (who rarely were disciplined enough) can do nothing but are gettting killed with impunity they start to run away. And then the real fun starts, with cutting down fleeing troops - which in turn was the best and most desired situation for any cavalry to find themselves in, regardless of period or culture. There are many factors why cavalry was a king.
As for the chariots they were opoular before proper riding horse breed was "invented". They definitely were not used like in WH, going full tilt into enemy formation will end up with many enemies dead, mostly by flailing and collapsing horses, you being catapulted from the chariot and falling on some man followed by chariot itself.
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>>81726369
Despite what movies would have you believe, cavalry do not directly attack well-prepared heavy infantry formations. They might FAKE doing so; the psychological effect of a cavalry charge is not to be underestimated, it's atavistically terrifying. Cavalry can, through repeated false charges and wheelings, break enemy morale. Once a formation loses cohesion, it becomes VERY vulnerable to cavalry. If you want to see cav used both correctly and wrongly in the same battle, see Hastings, where the Normans worthlessly hit the Saxon line, but through later on discipline and fortuitous archery, managed to break the Saxon formation and mop them up with their cavalry.

Cav are effective in many other roles. Scouting, obviously. They can exploit gaps in enemy forces as they maneuver. As mentioned, they can cut apart formations that break and men who split off. They can be used to block the cavalry movements of an opposing force. Their mobility allows them to threaten flanks and get behind your lines, which lets them hit forces ill-prepared to take a charge and dictates how you move your heavy infantry and what terrain you deploy in.
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>>81726706
Others are premade and agreed on matching fashion, but Greg couldn't make it (again! fucking Greg) and so they pugged a rando
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>>81726731
>Monkey King
please no
every chinese thing has a monkey king
and its always this same bland boring shit with same abilities in every single media
fuck monkey king
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>>81726369
>Horse running at full speed
>tramples the first 3 guys to death
>if horse is stabbed the inertia of his 600-1000kg body slams into the next 5 dudes like a bowling ball since they can run at 50mph with a dude in armor on top
You cant stop that kind of mass at that speed in its tracks. Its like getting hit by a small car
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>>81726605
>because for so long the cavalry charge was so effective at smashing into infantry.
There is extremely lot of "if"s here anon. Even knight were useless vs disciplined blocks of dudes who won't flee/break ranks. Most common knightly charge tactics was to do a lot of fake charges, each one closer than the previous one. At some point infantry would think that "this one is for real" and would run for their lives. You could have a normal charges (by squadrons with one charging first, doing some impact with lances, withdrawing and making room for the next one) if the infantry had no pole arms or had a short ones. Horseman on Horseman warfare was entirely different story.
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>>81726801
>Its like getting hit by a small car
Actually, I think it would be easier to stop a Smart than a barded warhorse with armored knight on top
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Is it possible to play a game of warhammer alone? If I randomize how to place the unit before turn 1
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>>81726770
Monkey King was already established back in the Genevieve books. Your complaints are a bit late
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>>81726721
Makes sense, since the teutonic order did go on a crusade and was short on man power, thus drawing from the christianized locals, european powers and mercs
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>>81726828
You can, I've done it, but its about as fun and pleasant as a wank
Like sex, Warhammer is better with a human
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>>81726832
But isn't that Mary Sue kinda in grey area, canon-wize? Like, even Drachenfels is usually just hinted at in canon, iirc
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>>81726706
Teutonics are obvious.
Knights with star and sword are Order of Knights of Dobrin (small order later merged with teutonics).
Dude with a round shield could be a local noble/warrior from Lihuania/Prussia/even a finnish mercenary. Though this picture is hardly a historical reference.
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>>81726706
The red-sword ones are not teutonic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonian_Brothers_of_the_Sword
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>>81726740
I'm going to add: all these posts about just steamrolling in are rubbish. Inertia works AGAINST horsemen as well as for them; if you don't wheel in time and hit heavy infantry in good order, you now have an area of deadly terrain filled with crushed infantry, dead riders, dead and dying horses, and the weapon points of the next line in the formation. The riders behind the front are (if their discipline is right) too close to peel off. Ever seen a fifty-car pileup? Like that. And yee, horses are strong and heavy, but they're fragile, too! Want to know what a horse with a broken ankle is? Worthless. I must stress that despite tone people here are taking, horses are NOT disposable. They're meticulously-bred, highly-trained, year-long investments that represent a serious portion of the rider's wealth. An injured or dead horse is something no rider wants.
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>>81726369
>but how could a cavalry or chariot impact against an enemy formation and not fall or smash apart when the horse was struck?
Well, for example, by having a longer stick, so you do not get hit back
And multiple charges, one after another, until your enemy breaks
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>>81726828
search youtube for "warhammer solo skirmish"
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>>81726884
Thar picture makes no sense. Sure, peasant dies first, but both are getting stabbed at that speed, no matter the stick length
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>>81726820
You would be terribly wrong bro.
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>>81726625
>Soviets still used Cossack charges in early WW2. Mavhine guns kinda mase them inefficient tho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Schoenfeld
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>>81726912
Well, fuck.
Even if CA is bright enough to ignore him, GW will definitely put this garbage into TOW because muh name recognition
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>>81726820
We should use cars to pull chariots.
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>>81726949
You're so close to reinventing pod racing.
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>>81726931
>poles do something brave
>poles succeed at anything
Somehow, cavalry beating machine guns is the least surprising thing here
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>>81726965
Poles are pretty fucking brave. The problem is their LCK stat.
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>>81726949
Sounds pretty metal to me
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>>81726936
I'm sorry you're autistically upset about the monkey king. Don't worry they'll probably give him some made up name so you can feel he's a little distinct.
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>>81726972
Yeah, sure, that's why they ran away to UK in 1939 while on own turf and outnumbering the Wermacht 3 to 1
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>>81726913
First, you somehow ignore what happens to that "peasant" when he gets impaled by a lance
Second, winged hussars stabbed you with their stick, and then rode off for a new one to come back and stab you again until you finally break down and run
Very effective, I believe many Swedes would attest to that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kircholm
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>>81726990
>outnumbering the Wermacht 3 to 1
And with the soviets ?
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>>81726880
>I'm going to add: all these posts about just steamrolling in are rubbish
was figuring as much
thanks
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>>81726873
>>81726867
You learn something new everyday
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If I'm remembering right, orcs and goblins had a unit that used boars as mounts. Would a chaos knight fit on one of these boars? I was thinking of doing something silly for a champion of tzeentch and I figured what better than a pig to act as his mighty steed.
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>>81726990
>Yeah, sure, that's why they ran away to UK in 1939 while on own turf and outnumbering the Wermacht 3 to 1
>outnumbering the Wermacht 3 to 1
You should eat less of that chocolate spiked with methamphetamine, Anon
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>>81726880
You can still steamroll in you just have to be smart about it. Hit an enemy already in disarray, distracted, lightly armed and armored. Hell even the fake fantasy tactics of Bretonnia stresses you should use your peasants as a way to hammer and anvil your opponent, not just rush them head on.
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Do you know what they called the maunvre when knights charged and wheeled at last second?
Teutonic drift

I'll see myself out
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>>81726936
>Even if CA is bright enough to ignore him
it's better to have him than the kingdoms of Ind
also he's pretty much confirmed to be a DLC, along the nagas of kuresh

nippon isn't because they're most probably shoving ninjas, samurais and temple dogs into the cathayan roster instead, nippon is effectively border princes tier now
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>>81727037
Depends on the pig in question, but it's plausible.
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>>81727037
the old plastic ones are quite small, your chaos knight would look weird.
A new plastic boar would be great, but you should check out the razorgor, a giant, chaos mutated boar
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>>81727037
>what better than a pig to act as his mighty steed.
Why pig and not a huge flightless birb? Ravens for the Raven God
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>>81726990
>outnumbering the Wermacht 3 to 1
No idea what are you talking about, Germans had a numerical advantage over Poles in all aspects
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>>81727075
What's difference between tuskgor and razorgor?
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>>81725966
No one complained that there was never once even a mention of a knockoff Korea, even though the physical area always existed.
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>>81727075
I'll keep an eye out for the newer sculpts. I've never heard of a razorgor before, but if it looks something like this, I think I can make it work. Thanks, anon.
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>>81727088
Probably a Russian or a German. Maybe a Belarussian upset that Poland put a fence up in advance of the wave of human garbage from Afghanistan.
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>>81727095
tuskgor is a big mutant boar
razorgor is a bigger mutant boar
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>>81727096
Nippon was developed more than Cathay with own miniatures.
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>>81727095
tuskgor are mutated boars, and share the same size as the small plastic boars
razorgors are giant tuskgors, and are as big as a gorebeast
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>>81727096
Why would anyone?
While WFB and anime fanbases overlap somewhat, WFB and cheesy romantic series fanbases really don't
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>>81727096
No one gives a shit about Korea. Nippon has been around since originalhammer.
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>>81727115
I'll bet they retcon Nippon to be Taiwan occupied by People Liber... I mean Cathay imperial army.
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>>81727146
Jew-W is trying too hard to kowtow to the CCP for that to happen.
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>>81727037
Look for the Big Boss on boar sprue.
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>Crystal Prison
>Two mightly beings - an angelic servant of Alluminas and a powerful Daemon of Chaos were trapped in a duel ages ago
>A Wizard within 6" of the Prison can unmake it, causing one being (player's choice) to join his army, but causing the other being join the enemy.
Basically, if you choose, both you and opponent get a daemonic Hero each
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>>81726990
>Calling mad lad Poland cowards
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>>81726990
This is some retarded brainlet math the likes of which only comes from pure unmitigated paint chip consumption.

Please escalate to lead paint, thank you.
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>>81727146
they've already said that cathay is hostile to the other human nation eastward

the issue of not naming them has to do with not planning a DLC for them, not about not recognizing their existence as a nation opposed to cathay


>nippon armies have the same composition
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>>81727236
>temple dogs in both cathay and nippon
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>>81727172
I dunno that seems a bit over the top. A more mundane hero would be more fun, especially depending on how you stretch the scenario.

>A Bretonnian paladin defeated in a duel and imprisoned by his victor
>an Empire mercenary locked up by the Lizardmen while waiting to be sacrificed
>A dark elf noble betrayed by an "ally" during his last raid and caught by his enemies, will work with anyone to escape and get revenge
>A dwarf thane imprisoned by the locals since they couldn't understand his "muh grudge" that caused him to attack them in restitution
>a wood elf gladelord that was imprisoned by a cruel wizard solely to cut him off from Athel Loren to see what would happen to him away from its bounds
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>>81727247
>harpies bot in Beastmen and Dark Elves
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>>81727247
forgot the image

in practical terms the east of the warhammer world was so nebulous that cathay and nippon could share the same roster and GW could claim to be keeping consistency with itself
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>>81726990
Retard.
Good that you mention UK though, those jerry aeroplanes didn't shoot themselves down, you know. Homework: check out which fighter divisions did all the heavy lifting and had the most confirmed victories. Hint: nopes, not bongs.
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>>81727284
>>A dwarf thane imprisoned by the locals since they couldn't understand his "muh grudge" that caused him to attack them in restitution

I can now imagine a dwarf thane with all his ancestral armour and weapons being handcuffed by Wurtbad City Watch.
>"All righ herr dwarf, stop strugling you're making it difficult for us all. And if you do not stop yelling we'll add the "disturbing the peace after nightfall" into charges and that will make you our guest for far longer than any of us would like. Again herr dwarf, please calm down or constable Johann here will introduce you to a halberd shaft and I can assure you, you won't get along"
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>>81727501
>Dwarf gets ready to resist, confident in his armor protecting him
>Hanz simply sneaks up to him from behind and picks him up
>great Thane in runic armour is forced to thrash impotently with no purchase, stubby legs waving in the air
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>>81727284
The problem is, the Anon's idea demands two equally powerful beings to be released simultaneously
I would go with some powerful warriors/kings locked in eternal combat by a powerful spell, someone like Krell for example
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>>81727539
how much would a dwarf in full runic armour weight?
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>>81727063
>shoving ninjas, samurais into the china faction
if their idea is to pander to the Chinese these seems like a bad idea, Asians don't like it when you mix their cultures
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>>81727564
I guess I just like the idea of a prisoner you have to free from a warden better.
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>>81727539
>picks him up
>Thane in runic armor
I assume Hanz is the local friendly ogre, because I doubt that human would be able to pick up a fully armored dwarf, no matter how many turnips he ate as a child
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>>81727592
>turnips
What about four dozen eggs?
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>>81727567
Irrelevant
>"Hanz is a big, strong lad. Not the sharpest knife in a drawer, if you know what I'm saying. But he's a good watchmen and has a lovely singing voice."
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>>81725799
>battlefield objects to spice battles up
I just used a rubik's cube with all the colours removed to act as a chaotic wellspring of magic
each magic phase it would automatically cast a random spell from a random lore, at either the closest or farthest unit on the battlefield, randomly
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>>81727580
>if their idea is to pander to the Chinese
it's not, this is all pandering to the expectations of warhammer fans
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>>81727607
What, a day? You'd end up the size of a Reik river barge.
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>>81727592
>"All right Hanz, now throw him into the cart. No Hanz, no! No hugging! Just put him in a cart. Hanz! Put him down right now, he can't breath and I'm sure I've heard a bone snap! Thaaaaat's right, good lad!"
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>>81727501
>>81727539
Is it yet another grudge or straight up orange mohawk?
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>Mystical Steed
>Bones of a long-dead knight, even decades later still watched over by his warhorse with mane like starry night sky.
>A character (who must be capable of picking any horse-like mount to be eligible) in base contact can take a Ld check
>On success, character becomes Cavalry with pretty high-statted warhorse
>On a fail, the character takes D3 S4 Magic hits as the horse lashes out with its hooves and dissipates

>Blade of Usirian
>Ancient Nehekharan ruin with a rusty khopesh
>A ghostly presence warns anyone approaching that the blade brings death to anyone it touches
>A character may choose to take up the sword
>It grants +1A, S10 and HKB, but the character lives for exactly two turns after that and then dies with no saves of any kind allowed
>>81727586
They are two different objects, existence of one does not preclude existence of the other

>>81727636
Sounds pretty awesome!
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>>81727664
>"Hanz want small fluffy man as pet. Hanz take gud care of pet."
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>>81727704
>lootbox: it contains a magic item, chosen by roll of the dice from the rulebook's list of magic items

>mimic: it looks exactly like a lootbox, but attacks the character that tries to open it
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>>81727798
>lootbox
Player get to reroll magic item he gets for just €4.99
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>>81727822
the cursed gachapon is one of the many tricks tzeentch unleashed on cathay
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Why are people pissed about GW expending the lore and the game? I mean, it's not like they pulled Cathay out of nowhere, it has been there for decades and had dragons and monkeymen and such back then
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Grombrindal has cast Joseph Bugman in his new movie Rock, Block, and two smoking organ guns
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>>81727871
half is /pol/posting, half is NEW=BAD posting, half is having different expectations, half is concerns regarding a possible shift in the things or tones to focus on
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>>81727876
is there some deep lore about all these alternatives and 4th wall breaching costumes for grombrindal or is it just a mascot doing mascot things?
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>>81727871
Because criticism and hatred of new things are like pure water that washes away the grit leaving just nuggets of gold
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>>81727946
Mascot.
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>>81727995
alright, I'll see myself out then
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So is Morr secretly Usirian? I'm curious.
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>>81727876
What movie is he turning ?
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>>81728031
Yes.
Usirian is Bruce Wayne, rich and pointless
Morr is his grim gothic secret persona
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>>81727963
>"Becasue people who do not share my enthusiasm for new things and have differnt stances other than positive acclamations are assholes
ftfy"
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>>81727871
>Why are people pissed about GW expending the lore and the game?
Because GW is no longer in power to write good, sensible narrative and do justice to the WH.
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>>81728031
no, they're gods with overlapping domains
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>>81727963
leftpilled and consoombased
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>>81728100
this is the warhammer fantasy thread, sir
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>>81728100
...gay?
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>>81728112
I'm not sure you understood the post you're replying to.
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>>81728100
Actually, I'd really like a What If...? set in Warhammer Fantasy.
Like, End Times would actually work as (poorly thought through) What If scenario
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>>81728087
Basically this, starting with 8th edition, through teh End Times and AoS lore, James has shown that they no loger are capable of doing anything constructive and sensible. You laso had a full blast of their skills with new Kislev.
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>>81728170
>End Times would actually work
Even as a what if scenario, it's just retarded and has to much DUMB .
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>>81728184
>James
newfags are not the ones to talk
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>>81728241
Agreed 100% zoomer
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>>81726990
Found the g*rman
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>>81728087
They never were.
There isn't a single edition that you all purity spirallers would agree on not having the same apparently irredeemable flaws you also see in the newer things, in part or as a whole.
This is all in truth an unreasonable opposition to everything new because the identity you somehow subscribe to requires you to.
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>>81726949
You're thinking of AoS
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>>81728403
then name an edition that does justice to warhammer and is free from the flaws you see in newer things
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>>81728333
>They never were.
Proving you don't know what you're talking about from the start? ok
>There isn't a single edition that you all purity spirallers would agree on not having the same apparently irredeemable flaws you also see in the newer things, in part or as a whole.
People have opinons on army books directions, yes, and you must be really autistic to look in 0-1 binaric in search for "ultiamte super duper edition". On the other hand if you're unable to spot the differences between writing style of 4th,6th and 8th, you shouldn't post your opinions. Because you try some kinf of autistic reductive and convoluted logic here.
>This is all in truth an unreasonable opposition to everything new because the identity you somehow subscribe to requires you to.
In truth you're incapable of forming up any other argument than "you hate it because it's new" just rephrasing it.
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>>81728436
See, the problem with this is that each person has a favourite edition, thus it comes down to personal taste. Thus if I say "X edition" you'll disagree with me because it has "X issues" or "does Y wrong".
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>>81728436
Faggot what do you mean by "flaws you see in newer things"? Because it's just dumb exercise of people saying "x was good" and you coming in hot ad disagreeing which, in your diseased mind, equals of you being right.
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>>81728436
%my_favorite_edition% is obviously the best edition, all that came before are too underdeveloped and all that came after screwed it up
Only people with absolute shit taste would disagree
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>>81728444
why would I need another argument when that's the truth?

there's an almost religious belief of new things being bad, even when they've not been seen yet
things that weren't problems yesterday become problems tomorrow because they're in a new thing
whenever it asked to point out the problem in the new things, the answer is often a strawmanned assumption, rather than a fact, or something else that turns out to not be true

I'm not saying that new things are flawless, or the best they could be, but for fuck's sake, take your head out your ass and stop pretending your cultistic adherence to a rose tinted ideal means that everything else is not warhammer.

it was normal to have a few people with this mindset on the outskirts of discussion back then, but it's become unbearably obnoxious now.
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>>81728644
>but it's become unbearably obnoxious now
ignore them then

it's fine to like what you like
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>>81728644
>why would I need another argument when that's the truth?
objective truth of course, not your opinion
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>>81728473
>he problem with this is that each person has a favourite edition, thus it comes down to personal taste
So its not an actual argument, but simply asinine whining based on arbitrary whims.
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Are the Darklands the original homeland of all humanity or are just the Old World humans?
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>>81728838
both or neither

they didn't have written history then and the dwarfs didn't even notice them until they were already around
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The problem with GW is that they're willing to kill their loyal fanbase in order to obtain a nonexistant audience. They gain nothing from putting all this filth into their games.
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>>81728644
>there's an almost religious belief of new things being bad, even when they've not been seen yet
>things that weren't problems yesterday become problems tomorrow because they're in a new thing
>whenever it asked to point out the problem in the new things, the answer is often a strawmanned assumption, rather than a fact, or something else that turns out to not be true
Here you go again with your assumption and reduction "you hate it because it's new". Some things which are new are good, some things that are new are just crap. Example: some new minis for AoS are top notch (mostly because they use old WH aestethics). Conclusion: we can assume that GW can still do good, servicable minis.
Example 2: New Kislev lore and "models" as in TWW are just fucking bad, (which was discussed while Kislev was hot, attempt to rehearse it once again will be a prove of trolling on your part). Conclusion: GW not only didn't make a progress from 8th ed - ET writing quality, they shove in AoS design philosophy as well. We can determine that GW is still incapable of making good lore.

Again, I don't know who you are and when did you got interested in WH but yes, the core of climate, aestethics and mood present in 4-5-6th (which had a slight shifts in tone) and a bit in 7th is the core of WH.
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>>81728823
>So its not an actual argument, but simply asinine whining based on arbitrary whims
The closest to "best edition", at least from what it seems, is 6th ed. But again, each person has it's own taste, so there's no one agreed upon "this is what best represents warhammer fantasy". So yeah, it's an argument
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>>81728838
I like to imagine the different races of man evolved independently of each other, just because it's cool and different.
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>>81728896
>Here you go again with your assumption and reduction "you hate it because it's new"
Thats observable truth based on how the thread acts.
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>>81724006
Malus's cruelty never hits a retarded Crossed level like the one anon mentioned, and what cruelty he does do is within reason for the medieval era and shit he repents from as he slowly sees how fucked up his society is. Not that he turns good, he just has doubts and suffers consequences from his actions. It isn't done in an edgy fuck-you-dad way like a lot of other Delf shit.
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>>81723974
I could handle the edge a little better than the coomshit. Morathi especially is just woah bro nipple booby cum sex penis suck naked fuck, her entire personality is a schizophrenic Limewire search by a 12 year old.
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>>81729115
based moron
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>>81729115
or a critikal video
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>>81729065
>and what cruelty he does do
Is raping some random woman until she renounces her true love before having her chopped into bits and delivered to said love, whom he then has killed in a betrayal of what he promised (in spirit, not technicality)
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>>81729143
Or so he claims.

Still that's not as edgy as choking her to death with a fetus or w/e. It's edgy, but then again that's the #1 frequent complaint about Delves in general.
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>>81729065
>as he slowly sees how fucked up his society is
No you moron, he sees how fucked up HE was

By the end of the series Malus is still on board with the "druchii dream", the whole "I will get to the top by hook or by crook and over as many bodies as needed" thing. The difference is his understand and appreciation of his underlings and him not being as shortsighted as before.

>>81729163
>that's the #1 frequent complaint about Delves in general.
From mouthbreathers in this general, yes.
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>>81729185
>from mouthbreathers
did dad ground you again anon
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>>81729219
You shouldnt assume everyone here lives in their parents basement like you anon.
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>>81729232
how are you posting if you're grounded
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Do any of you guys play KoW using your whfb armies? is it any good?
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>>81729321
*Kings of War, that is
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>>81729321
no, to both questions
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>>81729321
How come this game can have soulful minis but Warhammer can't?
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>>81728170
Some scenarios I'd like to see:
>What if Azhag never found Nagash's crown and instead Archaon put it on?
>What if Karl Franz died first at Blackfire Pass and Marius Leitdorf drove the Orcs back?
>What if Sotek never appeared and Pestilens conquered Lustria?
>What if Malekith stayed in the flame long enough?
>What if Leoun died and Mallobaude declared himself his heir and became king?
>What if Jaffar defeated the crusading knights and held Estalia and Tilea?
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>>81729389
>and instead Archaon put it on?
What, mistaking it for the crown of domination?

"whoops, wrong demonic hellcrown!"
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>>81728944
Add the wargames into the last row
>European
>WHFB (the game of the Huite man)
>American
>40k
>Negro
>AoS
>Hottentot
>chinese mobile game
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>>81729826
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>>81729126
>hey what's up everybody it's critikal, just visiting Ghrond
>what the fuck is with the dress code here you think more snow would mean more clothes
>these guys have their tongues cut out, what shit have they gone through that no one wants them to talk about it? Too much
>just entering Morathi's chamber now, WHOOO-
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>>81729389
>What if Sotek never appeared and Pestilens conquered Lustria?
>literally zero impact on the wider world



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