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Crusades edition

>Previous Thread: >>81594534

>List of Historical Tactical, Strategic, and Military Drill treatises:
http://pastebin.com/BfMeGd6R
>ZunTsu Gameboxes:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/yaokao3h1o4og/ZunTsu_GameBoxes
>/hwg/ Steam Group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tghwg/
>Naval wargaming stuff:
https://pastebin.com/LcD16k7s

>Games, Ospreys & References folders:
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https://www.mediafire.com/folder/81ck8x600cas4/Medieval
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/w6m41ma3co51e/Horse_and_Musket
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https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bbpscr0dam7iy/ACW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bvdtt01gh105d/Victorian
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/b35x147vmc6sg/World_War_One
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8a13ampzzs88/World_War_Two
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8i8t83bysdwz/Vietnam_War
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7n3mcn9hlgl1t/Modern
https://mega.nz/#F!ZAoVjbQB!iGfDqfBDpgr0GC-NHg7KFQ
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/gdvadj7t6l5w6/Aero_Wargaming
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https://www.mega.nz/#F!SyREURzI!lI3Rychibpx17XW4OEhCIg
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pq6ckzqo3g6e6/Field_Of_Glory
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/r2mff8tnl8bjy/GDW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/whmbo8ii2evqh//SPI
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ws6yi58d2oacc/Strategy_%26_Tactics_Magazine
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/s1am77aldi1as/Wargames
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/j962ws6h50bqj/Victory_Games

>H&C Megatrove
rebrand<dot>ly /HexChit

>New Trove Link
https://mega.nz/folder/19kUXC6T#U31scUNwyuVI8cHvX6GIgQ
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>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>AK-47 Republic
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/6v39gcjode5ln/Insanely_Based_AK-47_Republic_Folder
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/file/f8a58xjysyweaz8/Black+Powder+Rulebook.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Flames of War 4th Ed (shhhh)
https://mega.nz/folder/lc1SRajQ#QTDXthNFG-sDoYe08bhV9A
>Fleet Series
https://mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ
>GMT
https://mega.nz/#F!D1dHQZCJ!V9pYq0CUc4iCrNiOcBOBtg
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!XsVD0KgT!twB1NWiFE3aKXK_O1EZ4pA
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>The Perfect Captain
http://perfectcaptain.50megs.com/captain.html
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Wargaming Magazines DEAD
https://mega.nz/#F!O1cUGTRL!4FSvbQTXjmRTz1TfVXqxLw
>Warhammer Historical DEAD
https://mega.nz/folder/ycxBXQCC#pBPPHV3baHXJORarsHAAHw/folder/PdRREILR
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>>81698561
>>81698568
Stop trying to take over generals to force your frogspam.
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>>81698775
>>81699035
You do realise that you're spamming a dead meme that was only made edgy for the sole purpose of killing it amongst normalfags, only for it to fail and normalfags loving it even more? And that by spamming it here and increasingly coming up with more ridiculous ways to normalise it, you've effectively killed /tg/ and every board you try and spam on? Especially with you even infiltrating the mod team to do so? Why are you raiding 4chan if you're want to upset trannies, go and raid some news site or reddit or some where else. Unless the whole point is that you're a bunch of normalfags who love your frogmeme more than /tg/.
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Who else making conversions to include in fun and interesting ways in their skirmish games? This one was made for 40k but I sometimes use it in our Vietnam skirmish games to show squad leaders.
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>>81699505
Depends on scale, kinda pointless for 15mm and lower, but at 28mm I usually give squad/platoon leaders different headgear (e.g soft cap rather than a helmet) and also assign different headgear between squads (eg. all russian conscripts wear helmets and backpacks, while vets wear ushankas/pilot caps and no backpacks). Generally I do it to tell units apart rather than for the cool factor, though my reasoning is that regulations regarding newer soldiers would've been more stringent and enforced, while grognards would've been given more lenience.
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>>81699528
I do minor conversions from time to time. It helps that much I play in 1/72, so I mostly get multiples of a pose in most of the plastic sets. It's also very useful in 10mm, where most packs have one to three poses and some distinct troop types are only available from Magister Militum if at all.

Also, while I appreciate a good bait, let's keep it on topic.

>>81699206
Mate, you are rambling.
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>my KS pledge for the latest Barons War KS has been sent
Finally, though I haven't finished my first pledge or even painted anything from the second. Well that's what happens when you're a fucking failure at life.
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Here's a templar too.
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>>81699206
They hated this man, for he spoke the truth.
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>>81699863
>>81699881
How much did you pay for those? Here's a link for some more.
https://cpmodels.co.uk/shop/ma10-magister-templar-knights/

Also, what took you so long? I also procrastinate instead of painting, and it stresses me, even though I know the actual process is calming and relaxing.
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>>81699946
There's a reason they tried so hard to downvote him.
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Warlord Games exists, it is the most successful historical wargaming company that ever has or ever will exist, and you can't do anything about it.

Give up. Get rid of your shitty garage models and buy in to Warlord. At least then you'll have people to play with.
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>>81700019
I like their lansknecht models I wish Perry did British Airborne, I like their realisitic proportions and basically only try to play anything that they make for
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>>81700010
>downvote
How many layers of irony are we even on?

>>81700019
If I cared for being on the "winning team" I would be playing 40k. I mean, why accept substitutes?
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>>81700193
Well Warlord is the 40k of historical gaming, so it makes sense.
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>>81700019
I dont like warlords sculpt style, theyre ugly to me
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>>81697197
Yep: it is "scaled properly" to 15mm, so 1/72 is actually closer to a 1:1 ground scale/figure scale than 28mm.

>>81691096
Here: https://mega.nz/file/UcYnnA6C#HKVmeQcdgmWthaFvSPnUuxMVjULYMYG0LL3vC61cqME
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>>81700019
While I think that their games are often barebones or copy-pasted from other sources and serve as an excuse to sell GW-tier expensive models that are often not compatible with other rulesets, the insistence on style and table presence over substance and complexity does attract new blood to historicals.
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>>81700019
I like that I can get their passable plastic stuff on Amazon for $20 off, pretty much. I dislike the rules and the mentality they create of spamming small units to get more order dice. Actually, I may just hate the group I begrudgingly play with. I wish I could join a group of grogs (affectionately said) that will venture beyond 40k but with historical stuff so I could actually enjoy it. Maybe it's just an American thing but I despise the hyper-competition shit and just want to have some relatively historical fun with some gentlemen who are also there to do the same.
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>>81700019
>Get rid of your shitty garage models and buy in to Warlord.
Guess how I know you haven't done a Warlord resin kit.
This piece of shit here: https://us.warlordgames.com/products/sd-kfz-231-6-rad-armoured-car is literally the worst resin kit I have ever seen, and I've built drunken Ukrainian resin kits from the 90s where the homemade molds were greased with lard.
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>>81700343
The order dice mechanic is a big flaw if you're playing pick-up games at a store or whatever. I run games at home with a handpicked crew, so it's not an issue for us and most people seem to like it okay. Who you play with is way more important than what rules you use, because there's no way to anticipate every dirty trick a dedicated inch-squeezer will cook up.
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>>81700019
threadly reminder
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>>81700384
You don't buy BA resin from Warlord period. Especially resin that needs to be combined with metal elements, these tend to be flimsy and not support the weight of resin well. Even promo pictures look bad, but what infuriates me is that for 28mm it's often the only source for more obscure or early war vehicles.

Having said that their Cruel Seas and VaS resins are usually decent after fixing the mandatory trademark Warlord Warp.
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>>81699988
Here's their shop.
>https://footsoreminiatures.co.uk/collections/barons-war-range
My issue isn't procrastination but rather that I haven't had time for it. I've wasted most of my life being nothing but a leech, working on changing that now but I'm honestly baffled at my earlier self. Painting is a really rewarding hobby since your results are permanent and something you'll have use for. Much better than garbage vidya.
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>>81700523
Someone find me a 28mm Lee. Im really not sure it exists outside of warlord and I do NOT want to pay the absurd price they want for it.
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>>81700019
Go away Warlord shills
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>>81700552
>28mm tonka toy tonks

just go back to 40k
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>>81700523
It's the only 231 6-rad there is. Well, it was the only one when I bought it two years ago. I'm going to have to look again, because the minute I find one this thing is in the fucking trash. And not only is it just shit quality in general, they couldn't even get the fucking turret right with the weapon positions. The MG is on the wrong side and the 20mm is in the wrong place. For some reason, the resin figures from the SPQR set were magnificent (the only good thing from that game). But fuck me, their metal and resin BA stuff is straight trash.
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>>81700459
>The order dice mechanic is a big flaw
I almost like it, the only abuse I can think of is adding weak bullshit units just so you can have more dice. Certainly more so than IGOUGO, then again I play exclusively with friends. Also I wish more games used initiative order like in TANKS, where the order of movement/actions is tied to a base value plus various factors specified in unit creation such as commanders experience.
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>>81700552
https://www.blitzkriegminiatures.com/tanks/American-c67023017
Blitzkrieg has a Lee and a Grant
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>>81700640
Yeah, I don't mind it but I'm not running into any mouthbreathing dipshits with meme armies so the small-unit spam never comes up.
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>>81700640
>Also I wish more games used initiative order like in TANKS, where the order of movement/actions is tied to a base value plus various factors specified in unit creation such as commanders experience.
This does sound cool, but strikes me as a lot of work for anything above a skirmish game.
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>>81700552
This is why I wouldn't want to do 1/56 scale bolt action if I ever did play, better to have access to 1/48 scale model kits which are far cheaper and better value
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>>81700651
Well this looks like my only option. At least it seems decent quality.

>>81700621
No.
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>>81700947
I haven't done any Blitzkrieg resin yet, I ought to get around to ordering their SiG Ib and PzIIIe soon, though. But they have a good rep and their stuff looks good.
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>>81701139
quite certain jannies are in on the warlord shilling so
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>>81699206
I literally didnt read this post.
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Best system for the ultimate buck breaking? I’m playing in 6mm btw
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>>81702496
Always wanted to build armies and play games around this but who wants to play as the zulu in this battle, is there some game that is solo or with another player and you just fight waves of dice roll enemies or something?
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I think this might be the worst version of this general I've seen in the past few months or at least the last year, I don't know whether to congratulate all of you or issue a formal apology.
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getting into flames of war was a mistake. this game is retarded.
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>>81702745
>panthers and tigers

you are what is unfixable, changing games won't matter
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>>81702908
I’m sorry we drive over your grandads synagogue in our chad cats rabbi
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>>81702745
What the fuck am I looking at here
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how do i paint tartan while also having shaky as fuck hands
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>>81703032
My last fow game
The lack of movement rules and restrictions for tanks is just garbage, the motherfuckers are just drifting everywhere
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What's the verdict on what we've seen of the new warlord plastic italians compared to wargames atlantic's?
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>>81698561
Who else here Hoplitechads?
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I don't understand people who think the number of figures are important in terms of rules, is it just an old way of wargaming?
It seems like bases would make your rules way more flexible like a small unit is 4 bases, normal is 6 large is 8, instead of saying you absolutely need this many figures per battalion
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>>81703562
>is it just an old way of wargaming?
Pretty much.
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>>81702670
Happens every few weeks to a new general: a bunch of discord /v/edditors decides to shit up a thread with frogs and they do it for like a few weeks before getting bored and jumping to the next. The only thing you can do is report, hide and don't interact with the garbage.
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>>81699863
I saw this image posted a while ago and if they were yours and it was you that posted it then i actually followed the link you sent and got a load of the barons war knights, theyre great minis. Painted a few but have also fallen into procrastination and perfectionism over priming and choosing heraldry. e.g. efforts at painting a hound
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>>81703264
not chad until theyre painted
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>>81703677
I guess it makes sense considering how cheap miniatures used to be to have 1:20 battalions
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>>81703150
Please get your larper no game ass out of here.
>>81702745
Never though I would see my picture get reposted here.
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>>81702745
Told you about 'O'Group but you didn't listen
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>>81702745
It plays better in 6mm, fixes a lot of flaws. I played it in its 15mm form for a few years before a house fire ate my collection and I didn't like it enough to rebuild for it. I have a particular dislike of its command distance and especially the cover rules. But if people like it, ain't my business to tell em how to have fun.
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>>81703144
If it's 28mm, you want to splurge on a nice 00 kolinsky sable. I use Rosemary & Company Series 33, they're very good for the price. Then take a piece of cardboard, a playing card works nice, prime that and paint it your base colour. Then pick your colours for the tartan lines, thin them about 2:1 and when you load the brush drag it along some paper towel to drain the excess. Then practice making lines with quick, smooth strokes. It sounds difficult but you'll pick it up quick. If you need to, brace your forearm against the table at an angle. All the action is in the wrist anyway. Once you get used to it, you'll have confidence and will find it's pretty quick work to do.
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>>81704729
Sorry, my bad, 2 parts paint to 1 part water. That should make it thin enough for a nice, smooth flow.
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>>81703951
That's pretty solid freehand, m8.
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>>81703951
Yea, they're mine. That's some really great free-hand. But don't beat yourself up with getting it perfect, move on to the next. Seeing a group of knights with well painted shields will create a nicer impression than just the single one.
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N-No
You were meant to let the thread die
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You do have child soldiers in your collection, right???
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>>81708298

Not even jokingly, a gaming friend of mine in college played 15mm Naps and ACW. The musicians and especially the drummers were 10mm minis, based alongside the 15s. Even though when he did this the proportions and scale weren't "right", the legs and arms are too thin, and so forth, when looking at the force assembled en masse, it got the desired effect across shockingly well.
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Bought about 150 15mm napoleonic figures, only got 450 left to go before I can actually play a game
I'm excited :)
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>>81708479
Oh sorry by play a game I mean play a game against an opponent who doesn't currently exist who also owns a complete army, this is just one army
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>>81704729
thanks anon, ill give it a shot. is kolinsky sable worth the extra $? i just use brushes from hobby basics cos i fuck em up anyway
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>>81708862
Not that anon but I think they're worth it, they last a long time if used correctly, they're the least frustrating brushes to use and they're really nice and feel great, a nice thing is that they hold so much paint too, only problem is that because you know how expensive they are you kind of alter your habits a bit which might be uncomfortable
That said there's nothing wrong with using cheaper brushes or synthetic brushes
If you do get kolinsky sable brushes make sure to research proper brush care and maintenance cause you don't want to fuck those up
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Best 25mm WW1 game?

Want to pick up some WGA French but need a good game to play them for.
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What's the matter /hwg/, u poor or something?
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Played DitDC for the third time today, first time with my Ethiopians (previously I took Boers). Would strongly recommend against this game, it's terrible. I'm going to try Flame & Sword or MWWBK next.
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>>81702745
I bought a bunch of FoW boxes on discount and will be playing O´group like >>81704472 recommended. Give the rules a read, I have been founding them quite elegant and thematic.
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>>81702555
The Men Who Would Be Kings has a solo/co-op system that's pretty good.
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>>81700019
Alternatively buy warlord models, use them to play chain of command.
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I like Black Powder even if its got extremely simple core mechanics, I don't know how much of that is just because I like moving big units around a big board and seeing all the flags and uniforms in 28mm and how much of it is the game itself
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>>81710151
>>81709670

>>81700478
2nd threadly reminder
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>>81710151
Have you tried sharp practice anon?
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>>81710191
I can't even see what that image is my dude.
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>>81710191
kys nigger
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>>81709617
WW1 add on for chain of command
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>>81708862
Yes, kolinskys are worth it but you still want cheap brushes to do basic grunt work so you can keep your kolinskys in good shape. If you take care of them, kolinskys can last a long time - long enough that in the long run it works out to way cheaper than synthetics. Ro&Co Series 33 are a good price, so whatever brand you try (there are many) then use the R&C price as your baseline. That way you won't wind up paying too much. There are a number of companies who have sold grossly overpriced kolinskys with a name or endorsement slapped on them, it's just a waste of money. If you get brushes from Ro & Co get some Zest-It brush cleaner, too. This is mild stuff but it works, and won't strip all the natural oils out of your sables. (all of this advice presumes the use of water-based hobby acrylics)
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Now thatza what Aya calla spicy meatball!
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>>81712192
shit, I wonder how good the sculps actually are in the hands of a good painter.
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>>81712253
A lot of the sculpts are probably good to great. The painting for the marketing is meant to emphasize features and make it, God I hate this term, "pop." If given a more subdued paintjob it'd look at least ten times better.
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>>81712192
>what do you mean, 'pineapple on pizza'?
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>>81712597
I will take your word for it, but not ready to buy anything from Warlord yet.
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>>81712769
I wouldn't either but I base this on multiple lines of miniatures and not just Warlord.
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>>81712637
>gajin buys sushi made by Vietnamese
SHAMEFUUUR DISPRAAY
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Anyone know where I can get the rules for Chain of Command and O'Group? Can't find them in the megas.
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>>81714230
Chain of Command is in the OP.
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>>81714275
Didn't even check the mediafire. Thanks for the spoonfeeding anon.
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>>81714230
Here you go anon, now go forth and play some games!
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>>81713298
>mfw Vietnamese sushi
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what unit of measurement do you think this schematic uses? I'd guess something like a famn (1 famn=1.78meters)
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>>81702555
Id play zulus.

Also, there is a solo system specifically made for wargamming, and particuallry I think it was victorian stuff. It was posted multiple times on the /srpgg/ threads months ago when that was a consistent general. sorry, forgot the name, ill see if I can find it on an archive.
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>>81702745
Yes. Thankfully the figures can be used for other more adult games too.

>>81703951
Damn lad...15mm?

>>81708479
>>81708487
I have two Nap armies, almost never get to play: most of my army collection is just byproduct of learning about the period history and research, and to paint things for relaxation.

>>81709670
>u poor or something?
Yes.
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french seven years war line/heavy cavalry, ironically titled "chevaux leger" by the ancien regime.
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>>81716406
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So it turns out I need to do some more reading on Alexander, seems I've missed some fairly important details.
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>>81710890
Thanks, how is Mud & Blood and Over the Top?
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>>81716406
Lego sword
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>>81716406
Nice work
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>>81700478
>painter paints warlord models
>posts it on IG and puts a warlord hashtag in it
>”holy shit guys we’ve got paid shills in here! Like zoinks scoob we gotta out them!”
Why are you being paranoid and idiotic??? You’re def either the fat army guy with the glasses or the red pants guy
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>>81715362
turned out pretty well I think, good enough for a 1/2400 model
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>>81716647
make sure to watch the final unrated cut. Do not watch the theatrical cut
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>>81704783
thanks anon

>>81707581
Thanks, and yeah thats true ive got 10 or so painted now, although not based. Agonising over mud for europe or sand for the levant.
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>>81717527
It's 100 iq bait, ignore it
>>81715938
That's cool, I'm starting my napoleonic army just for that really
Dunno if I should just keep on buying austrians so that I can eventually theoretically play against someone irl or if I should build up a single brigade from different nations
>>81712597
A good paint job isn't going to fix the weird proportions
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So I have a rather obscure question I'd like some help with. I recently acquired more by chance than anything else some Warlord matchlock ECW infantry (pic related) + a few mounted figures. The minis are pretty cool, but honestly as a non-brit I don't really care that much about the ECW. However my city did raise some cavalry and shotte troops to participate in the Austro-Turkish War (1663–1664) and I thought that might be a fun theme for my guys.
Now my question is, does anyone know if these ECW 1640s troops would be historically appropriate for 1660's Austria or would I be committing an anachronism? I haven't found much conclusive evidence online.
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>>81715938
28mm although theyre a very different 28mm to warhammer. Space marine for scale, dont know how to take good pictures so apologies.
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>>81718234
I am a dunce
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What's the best ruleset for hundreds year war?
Is playing it at 28mm feasible? I dunno how many bases a typical battle would involve, am looking at 15mm and 10mm but 28mm is more available and due to shipping, not that much more expensive
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>>81719800
Plataloons.
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>>81719800
Most battles in the hundred years war were small skirmishes which involved anywhere from 20 to several hundred people both as part of armies and in routier style raids from garrisons, on some occasions these escalated into battles with over a thousand people. The handful of large set battles involved at smallest around 5,000 and the largest one involved 45-50,000 men. It is hard to say about the larger ones as infantry levies often werent counted in the surviving records if at all. Mounted and armed servants called gros varlets also werent included in the muster, so it is basically guesswork. The largest siege involved around 80,000 combatants. English armies were typically 2-15,000 but may be more if armed servants are included, french armies were typically 4-30,000 men with infantry levies and armed servants often not included. This isnt practical for the tabletop without some serious dedication, altho someone did paint up 4,000 28mm figures for the battle of agincourt. You can just use whatever number you want though, It would be perfectly normal to detach forces from these armies to do other things and these could be as small as 200 men so you can re-enact some completely historically accurate documented battles if you want to put a lot of money and time into it.
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Any of you played Hammerin' Iron? Caught a reference to it in a Little Wars TV Q&A, seemed interesting, was wondering what you lot made of it.
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>>81720100
>This isnt practical for the tabletop without some serious dedication
Why not?
What figure ratio are you talking about and which ruleset?
And fair, I really don't know anything about the hundreds year war, I was mostly just thinking about agincourt
>>81720048
That seems to be a skirmish ruleset?
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>>81720292
Well, do you have the time and money to paint at least 5,000 28mm miniatures and build a board for them and have a large room dedicated to said board?
Or you could do one of the smaller ones and paint like 4-1,000 minis which is a bit more realistic.
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>>81720353
Why would I need to paint 5000 28mm miniatures?
If wikipedia is right then a high estimate of numbers would be 23100 fighting at the battle, 5000 miniatures means that you have a figure ratio of 1:5 which is ridiculous, nobody wargames at a 1:5 figure ratio, I was thinking more 1:30 or 1:60 or whatever popular rulesets for the period use
Also like I said, my question was asking about the number of bases needed based on popular rulesets for the period, I was asking if it was feasibly to use 28mm based on that
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>>81720414
I mean you could genuinely play some of the battles at 1:1 if you want to paint a few hundred minis.

I thought you meant you wanted to historically recreate a battle hence why i was talking about how you could do some of the smaller ones or go in for one of the thousands of skirmishes.
Well i suppose the number of bases would vary by ruleset and if by using that ruleset you are intending to represent historical battles or to play an actual historical battle.
Most of the rulesets are geared towards small skirmishes.
The barons war ruleset could probs be adopted quite easily for this, its a small skirmish one so only a few dozen models.
theres this too
http://mainly28s.com/rules/+1350R.Free.Company.html

Lion rampant is warhammer scale battles so anywhere from like 80 to 300 minis in total usually.
I have heard of people adapting the rulesets from the old lotr war of the ring rules for larger scale battles due to simplicity and ease of scaling.
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>What's the best ruleset for hundreds year war?
I'd say ADLG, yeah. SAGA does exist and has some stuff for it, but that's eh.

>Is playing it at 28mm feasible? I dunno how many bases a typical battle would involve, am looking at 15mm and 10mm but 28mm is more available and due to shipping, not that much more expensive
It's always feasible, you just get a ton more work and not much more reward from it.

>>81720292
>That seems to be a skirmish ruleset?
It's a meme.
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>>81719800
Mortem et Gloriam has the rule sets and starter armies for the period.
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What's the best option for a grid-based/board wargame for the Pike and Shot era? If like someone "battle scale," for lack of a better term — larger than a skirmish, but not so large that a whole battle can take place on a single hex. I'd also like one system that covers . . . let's say, at least four battles. From a bit of looking around, it seems like the options meeting these criteria (whether in-stock, temporarily out-of-print, or "the company no longer exists" out-of-print — I'd like to be able to get my hands on a physical copy without paying insane collector prices, but I'm fine with it being used) are:
* Musket & Pike Battle Series, from GMT games (seems like the largest options, both in number of battles represented and possibly in current number of players?),
* Avec Infini Regret, based on (but not identical to) Musket & Pike Battle Series, from Vae Victis,
* Musket & Pike: Tactical Combat, 1550-1680, from SPI (no relation to the above, AFAICT),
* 30 Years War quadrigame + Breitenfeld "fifth game," from SPI (with second edition from Decision Games),
* Royalists and Roundheads, from World Wide Wargames,
* English Civil War Series and Battles of the Thirty Years War Series, from TCS Games,
* Horse & Matchlock: Prelude to an Era and Horse & Musket: Dawn of an Era, from Hollandspiele.

Are any of these excellent? Terrible? Play well, but don't give realistic results, or vice versa? Have live-ir-or-hate-it design decisions that I should be aware of?

Am I right that GMT's Musket & Pike is the current leader for "best chance to actually be able to find an opponent," and, if so, is there anything else that is enough better that I should prefer it anyway?
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>>81722421
No

>Captcha: X0XN0
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>>81722421
Are you blind anon? >>81714407
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>>81722519
Yes because I used O Group for ctrl+f and didn't see it in any of the folders or links at the top.
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>>81714407
HOLY FUCK THANK YOU SO MUCH BRO
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>>81698561
Anyone have any experience with Old Glory's 15mm WW1 minis? I'm trying to decide between them or 28mm minis from Great War Miniatures for a project I wanna do
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>>81722820
what is the scale of the project? Meaning what are you trying to portray
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Any good podcasts? Not a podcast guy but I did listen to a couple of episodes of the Lardies' Oddcast in the car today, not bad
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>>81722851
Platoon scale, probably a max of 40-50 figs on each side
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>go to any article on starting napoleonics
>blah blah blah start the french blah blah blah work from a specific campaign or order of battle
>DONT start with the imperial guard, leave those for later
>tfw really want to paint the special regiments despite barely having gotten started
How bad of an idea would it be to buy two battalions worth of pavlovsky grenadiers and paint them up early on into the project?
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>Reading O group rules
Damn all my artillery, rocket launchers, a bunch of support units, and most of my tanks are now useless. Considering 1 tank = 1 section looks like at most you'll have 4-6 vehicles on a board as divisional support.
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>>81722912
Have a look on page 97 for rules with armor centric games in mind
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I didn't realise you needed so few bases in o group, what's the best scale to go for with it?
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>>81700019
If I wanted to buy "premium" low quality shit I'd go for Games Workshop

>>81722906
>start the french
>specific campaign or order of battle
You're going to end up painting a Leipzig army together with half the other people that read this article, therefore ending up having to fight French versus French.

On top of that I'd actually avoid going for specific order of battles. For campaigns I'd rather just make sure everyone agrees to a uniform of a specific period, it's more fun coming up with your own battles than replaying Leipzig or Waterloo the same over and over and over again.

>DONT start with the imperial guard
Is this because of the painting proces? I thought the Imperial Guard were easier to paint than a lot of the mainline regiments.


>How bad of an idea would it be to buy two battalions worth of pavlovsky grenadiers and paint them up early on into the project?
If you have any experience painting miniatures I'd go for it anyways. If not then I'd buy some cheap plastic set in any scale and practice Napoleonic uniforms on those.

It also depends on what scale and game you're planning on playing. I've heard that some 28mm games tend to attach special rules to some regiments and generally only field tiny armies to dice it off against each other in GW style, and since you want to start with painting just two battalions I'd imagine you're going for that. Otherwise the Pavlovsky would only make a small part of your army in smaller scales and you should invest in getting the whole army.
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>>81723183
I'm building towards GdB so grenadiers are just an elite unit, nothing special about them
Also idk why exactly, I imagine it's to add some variety to what you're painting when you have to get through 500 infantry figures wearing standard uniforms but I suppose it could be about getting the paint job right on the standout miniatures of your collection
Also i'm not playing army level games so your advice isn't applicable but thanks for sharing your experiences
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>>81723244
Sorry I meant veteran not elite
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>>81720414
Most mass battle systems use unit bases so the scale doesn't really matter, but something around 10 units with ~20 models on each
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>>81723052
Depends what is available for you, I would say that anything 15mm or bellow could work. On my group we bought a few boxes of FoW Hit the Beach, those come with a nice variety of units and bases. Very easy to start out.
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>>81722906
>How bad of an idea would it be to buy two battalions worth of pavlovsky grenadiers and paint them up early on into the project?
Instead of assembling your army piecemeal you should have done it all in one go, at which point it's not a bad idea at all, but if you're doing it piecemeal it's very hard to carry on with it unless you are extraordinarily dedicated. I'd also say believability is more important than accuracy here, which is to say that your army should be organized along relatively historically accurate lines rather than exact regiments.

>>81723183
>Is this because of the painting proces?
It's because there's a large skew towards them as Wow, Cool Unit. This is Naps, you need large masses, not just elite units.
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>>81715362
I'd say it's measured in fathoms (famn).
Looking closely at the ruler you can see a number of faint marks between the thick 10,20,etc marks. I counted 30 small marks between two large ones. Thus I'd say that the small marks are alnar (ells) since there's 3 alnar to one famn, thus 30 alnar to 10 famnar which checks out.
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>>81723722
Well painting is enjoyable for me and I can't afford to buy it all at once, I'm buying them in 100 figure lots only
Also I already am basing my collection on a division at borodino, pavlovsk grenadiers aren't in that division
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Are ancient horses sculpted too large?
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>>81724271
Most of the time. Aventine started releasing accurately sized horses a while ago and many customers complained they were too small and looked silly. Now they sell accurate horses and larger ones.
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>>81724852
RIP
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>>81722856
I like Revolutions, History of Rome and The Hellenistic Age.
Audiobooks are also cool, pirate them from audiobookbay dot nl. I'm listening to Rise and Fall of the Third Reich right now, pretty interesting and the descriptions of Hitler chimping out or bullying foreign dignataries are funny as fuck.
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>>81723052
Depends what you want. 15mm is plenty reasonable and probably has the most choices for figures. 10mm or 6mm could mean you have an absolutely huge battle on a 6x4 table.
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>>81724271
Everybody in ancient times just rode Clydesdales.
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gamla and nya Älvsborg's in 1/2400.
They would be pretty tiny if I were to print them, but I measured my 1/2400 ships and a first rate has a hull size of about 30mm
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>>81700622
231 6-rad is my favorite armored car design for sure, and really it comes down to the smaller scales to find something even remotely decent. Unfortunate if youre hoping for games with the general 28mm audience
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Anyone play this one? How did it turn out? I'm learning the rules right now. Finished the basic rulebook and looking through the game specific rules. Going to run some quick examples tonight. I want to eventually learn the advanced rules because it has supply, command and control and specific air and naval rules, but it's fucking intense. Definitely not my first H&C rodeo but it's some ASL levels of complexity (in fact it's even crazier because you can play a lot of ASL scenarios without knowing all the rules)

Just wondering if anyone else has played it and what you think of how the scenario actually plays out
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>>81715116
>After murdering a Chinese family and taking their valuables
Yeah Yōsuke, this Chinese opium ain't worth shiiiiii-
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Who do the best 15mm ww2 miniatures?
Worth buying any of battlefronts old metal sculpts?
I mostly prefer realistic proportions, realistic faces and realistic poses
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>>81734531
>Worth buying any of battlefronts old metal sculpts?
Unfortunately the prices on ebay have skyrocketed for a lot of them since most of them are now OOP.
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>>81730824
very nice anon, great work
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>>81699881
I think he looks more like a Hospitaller than a Templar.
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>still haven't finished assembling my Victrix French
>having to slap my hand away from the screen when I think about making a Texan confederate army
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>>81702745
Theres always battlegroup
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>>81716406
Guy on the left has an earthworm wrapped around him
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>>81734531
Forged in Battle.
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slowly putting together a few different games with a mate that might be shillable at the local alt wargames club and amongst our friends

What would you do if you wanted a spread of warfare dimensions and styles of warfare?

Also thinking about putting on a convention in a brewery locally, what would you put on as participation games to plug historicals to the community? Thinking WWI air combat has the potential to be great fun
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>>81735608
Superb film
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It bothers me how many depictions of Mexican dragoons and hussars have them with lances, not sure how they'd play in a game where you have so many lances.
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>>81737125
I asked about less complex "beer and pretzel" games that could be completed in 2 hours or less a while ago and got this:

Fistful of Lead
Men of Bronze
Songs of Blades and Heroes (and it's historical variants)
Outremer
missile threat
broadside and ram (very specific to the battle of Lissa)
war by sail
altar of freedom (some scenarios and with the quick-play rules and quick players)
Lasalle
Five Men at Kursk
Saga
Bolt Action
Blood and Plunder
Blucher

as for world war 1 air combat games I've only really heard about wings of war as far as miniature games go. Although from what I've gathered wings of war is pretty good.
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>>81736759
Currently building the Texas brigade right now anon
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>>81702745
Reminds me of my favorite image
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>>81718222
Someone with more knowledge of Austrian uniforms of the time could speak to this, but the caps will definitely be wrong. Those are specifically British.
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Where should I look if I want a mid 14th century knight in transitional harness on foot? Great helms with silly crests acceptable.
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>>81743071
Perry.

Check out the 100 years war ranges, you can mix and match between the sets easily too for variation and they are cheap enough that you can just fuck around with different heraldry.
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>>81743236
I've looked before, Agincourt is too late, the differences in armour between 1350 or so and 1415 are dramatic.
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>>81743071
What is transitional harness. Also yeah perry agincourt footknights are exactly this; and very very customizable also they give you like 40 dudes for 20$ And the sculpts are perfect
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>>81702555
>but who wants to play as the zulu in this battle
Some people like playing the horde/zerg rush army.
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>>81740530
Thats a good lookin Stug
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>>81743393
I mean, the image you posted is exactly this model, in the sprue the visor is separate, so you can attach it up or down on the models, which is why its not on this model.
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>>81743071
Claymore Castings if you want the Crecy period.
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>>81743071
Claymore Castings and Antediluvian Miniatures.
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hanover jager, SYW
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>>81743649
18mm as always
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>>81743516
>>81743530
Perfect, thanks Anons.
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>>81731996
I have NW Korea 2nd ed and it's intense, though once you get a handle on the rules I think they are not that complex, and the book is well indexed for looking up stuff you are not sure about.
I havent played Taiwan or any of the other more naval focussed games as I am kinda sceptical of how fun the heavily abstracted naval warfare is.
NWK is intense though, I love it but the extremely long strike phases resolving dozens of allied air attacks with rolling for detection, intercept, and effectiveness of each one are very tiring.
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WIP. I think I have a tank addiction. Probably up to 300 armored vehicles of all types across Russian Brit American German Romanian.
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>>81744318
Almost done, needs some weathering.
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>>81744318
>crusades edition
>no crusaders, only cromwells

Well... Alright the crusader AA counts, barely.
Also rip I've been working on this for a while I didn't expect an oppurtunity to post would come up so soon so it's unfinished atm.

I wanted a tamiya kit but this is just a trial to refresh my modeling skills before I start a bigger project.
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>>81744484
While I would love to get into North Africa it would require me sinking a whole ton of money into new terrain, vehicles, and figures. Maybe when I'm done with my massive backlog of unpainted lead for Nothern Europe/Italy.
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>>81742016
Thanks! Thankfully those can easily be greenstuffed into wide brimmed hats.
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>>81744318
tank painters at the LGS be like i need 50 paints, all different shades of grey
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>>81745562
I can get away with base color + white and mix for highlights but I'd prefer a dark base, mid tone, and highlight color. Then uniform color, a brown for mud and tools, a gun metal color, flesh color, and a wash.

If I'm taking the time to use that many tones and layers it ain't being played with, its going in a display case as a static model.
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>>81698561
Does anyone know of a company that has a good sized range on 15mm brits in greatcoats? I wanna do a force of Aussies in Bardia, and while most companies have a small selection of British in greatcoat, its normally just a pack of infantry. Eureka has a set dedicated to just the Aussies, but their stock is running low it looks like and I'm not sure if they'll restock it so I wanna find a second source
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after a good ACW atlas with battlefield and campaign maps for scenario and campaign design assistance
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Painted a guy for a WW2 ImagiNation the other week. Really like how it turned out.
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>>81747950
>Warlord mini
>imagination
I think it looks good, but you are going to get laughed out of here
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>>81747950
Auto generated filename?
Also those mould lines...
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>>81747967
Like I fucking care, I had fun painting it and that's all that matters. Still more work than the average /hwg/ poster has done.
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>>81748152
>I had fun
How dare you.
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>>81747950
Looking good anon, planning on giving him some friends, or perhaps armoured support?
Also, axis or allies?
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>>81744318
Tanks are love, tanks are life.
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>>81748342
My idea was some random Middle European country like Romania or whatever, so probably Axis.
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>>81747967
ImagiNations are pretty standard /hwg/ fare, frankly.
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>>81748573
How anyone ever thought this was practical I'll never know
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>>81749125
I don't even need it for a game. I got it because it was too retarded to not have.
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>>81746691
Decided to pull the trigger on the eureka Aussies, maybe not the best decision since I still have half a platoon of US paras, infantry, and some panzergrens on the plastic pile. but oh well it was only 40 bucks for the whole platoon and some support weapons
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Anyone have the Bataille Empire rules? Looks really neat.
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>>81749328
Eureka 15mm are really nice. Got all my Cornered Wolf stuff from them, save the vehicles.
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Does anyone know of any good napoleonics rulesets that I can play while I build up my collection to about 600 miniatures for one army?
Bigger than sharp practice obviously
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>>81749125
Inter-war tank design was completely wild; some hadn't yet worked out that all the extra weight and size for having loads of turrets and crew wasn't really worth it
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>>81751280

This exactly, this was based on a UK design. The Japanese also built a few multi-turret designs but quickly abandoned them.

The biggest problem is that a vehicle this big can't have thick armor and thus is vulnerable.
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>>81747950
>mould lines
>wherboos painting other nations like germans

warlord wherboo cancer strikes again
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Anons I need some help. I'm craving for an Age of Sail Wargame, where should I look for cum.
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>>81751239
Blucher.
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>>81752322

If you want complicated try Battleline/Avalon Hill's WOODEN SHIPS AND IRON MEN.

For something simpler try SPI's FRIGATE or Simulations Canada's MAN OF WAR.
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>>81752322
War by Sail is pretty good.
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I really like the idea of wargaming on a smaller scale and thus having more things to actually do with some depth but it's really hard for me to want to transition away from 28mm and I'm not entirely sure why. Maybe it's due to Warhammer and the amount of detail, but I also played Warmaster and Epic (and now play AI) so I really don't know.

1/72 seems like a really good scale to use for stuff like Battlegroup or even shit like Bolt Action (when they're based individually) but it's hard for me to squeeze the trigger and actually buy some of the stuff. Help.
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>>81754783
It's because you're more used to think of them as display pieces rather than game pieces. I suggest you shoot for the entire other angle - go for 6mm.
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>>81754783
I still prefer 28mm because of display and seeing other peoples models for larger games looks really impressive even when its no 1to1 scale. Painted pieces of rice are definitely better for gaming for sure, but it depends entirely on how much you play as to if its worth that alone. A large part of the appeal of historical wargames is the models themselves and seeing things represented.
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>>81754907
>>81755409
This is why 15mm is the best scale: enough detail to look good, but can also be massed for effect.

Fight me.
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Crusades Edition you say? Look what I picked up on the cheap. Now the question is which system do I use to fight the heathens and Lithuanians.
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>>81756261
You can use them as generic knights of the time if you clip the wings and shit off the helmets and smooth it out. Also they are kindof shitty poses and sculpts honestly, but you cant complain for all the price of them, it means you can play Hail Ceasar or something that is for large armies with multiple models per base easily.
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>>81751280
That's why I like early war stuff the best, you still have all the whacky contraptions around before tank design started to homogenize. It's easy to spot the stupid designs when looking back and knowing how it all turned out, but based on the experiences of tank warfare when these things got cooked up they seemed like the way to go. Even more forward-thinking types like Guderian still thought it was a good idea to have separate roles for tanks instead of a common design that could be antitank or support as needed. And the US stuck stubbornly to its tank destroyer doctrine far long than it should have. But given the theoretical parameters everyone was working with trying to guess what war would look like 10-15 years in the future, these ideas seemed sensible avenues. Bearing in mind, as well, that it was in the midst of a technological watershed where ideas and technology of all sorts advanced so quickly that many things were rendered obsolete before their first rivets were joined.
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>>81756261
If you're going to single base, Saga: Age of Crusades or Lion Rampant are the most popular options. They're both around 30 models per side.
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>>81712192
>Wooden doors?
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>>81698561
Are there any historical mini companies that don't look like the games workshop models from the 90s? No potato faces, swords with a fat oval cross-section, etc.
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>>81720520
Wtf are you even talking about dude?
>I thought you meant you wanted to historically recreate a battle
What?
Do you know anything about historical wargaming?
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>>81757742
Have you looked at perry?
Victrix does some ok stuff
Generally as the scale gets smaller the minis are more likely to look like that though
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>>81757742
>no potato faces
You mean GW sculpts from this year?
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>>81757742
I swear by perry and victrix.
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Anyone else find victrix to be a bit iffy?
Like they have some great kits and then they have this, I guess they have personality?
I wish they didn't
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Does anyone have any experience with Atlantic games infantry kits? I wanna get into Bolt Action and these ones seem miles better price and quality wise compared to what Warlord offers
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>>81758619
This is one of their older kits, so of course it'd be less sophisticated
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>>81758114
>>81758521
Perry miniatures have one massive problem. Their proportions are too good. This is fine if you're using exclusively Perry miniatures, but they make all the other brands look like lumpy monstrosities.
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>>81758960
>not just using whatever ranges they cover
Whatever they tend to cover tends to be rather extensive too, always surprised how cheap they are for how many you can get and the quality.
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I want to add the Polish wz. 36, but as far as I know, it's a very specific weapon. Range is about 20% more than the "Knee Mortar".
So the Polish wz. 36 fires shells about the same size and weight, but the device is almost twice as heavy.

Knee Mortar Stats (HE) 18"/36" 1 shot, 1 man Blast(2)

Light Mortar (HE) 24"/48" 1 2 Indirect, Scatter, Blast(3)

42 inches would be realistic range for the wz. 36, but but then it would be 21"/42" for range. What else is annoying is that, this weapon was 3 per company, rather than 3 per platoon like the "Knee Mortar". Likely explains why fire was said to be directed by an officer. Had thoughts about an ability where it fires quicker, but the "knee mortar" had a faster firing rate.

"It was decided to abandon the idea of a rifle grenade altogether and instead design a crossover between a light mortar and a grenade launcher. In April 1931 a prototype of a new mortar was completed."

Any of you lunatics got any good ideas?
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I'm trying to base up a Soviet motor rifle company of the late 80's to early 90's; Anyone know how an anti-tank platoon attached to the company might've been organized? I can't seem to find much information on the subject.
From what I can find, in a perfect world, it seems like the BATTALION has a platoon of either 2 squads of 2 2-man teams operating 1 AT-3 Sagger and 1 RPG-7 per team or 1 squad of 2 3-man AT-4 teams, with maybe 1 extra 3-man AT-4 team if they're reinforced, depending on the date and/or supply situation of the battalion in question and attached this platoon (or parts of it) to its companies as needed. Was there was a platoon HQ/leader to lead either of the them as well, like there is in the machine gun platoons?
I assume a anti-air MANPAD platoon would be 7 men in a single BTR/BMP, with the platoon leader commanding 6 men operating in 2-man teams with 1 SA-7 Grail in each team? I also assume the 2 NSV squads for the "Afghanistan-ized" Machine Gun-Grenade Platoons of the Motor Rifle Company were 3-man to maintain the same number of men as the 3 2-man PKM machine gun teams they replaced?
Does anyone know if all/any of this is correct? I tried to draw a diagram of what I think these units should look like. Red is a platoon (not counting its commander), blue is a squad, and green are teams.

>>81758805
Usually Atlantic is pretty great, though I heard their skeleton infantry kit can be pretty annoying to put together. Haven't heard any complaints whatsoever aside from that besides them not making a German communist revolutionary kit so I can play Freikorps vs Communist skirmish games reeeee.
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>>81759719
I personally think it would be very stupid to have a platoon leader for your PKMs, but not have one for your doomsday wire-guided missiles.

You have to have someone on the radio, asking around about where the tanks are, and getting requests for a guided missile at this target or that target.
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>>81757828
I remember reading that the squad or platoon leader tended to stay in the transport to direct them. Iirc you could get 8 men in the back of the bmp1 and 7 in the bmp2, both could fit 3 in the front which tended to include the HQ guy, the IFV was doctrinally part of the squad after all. So you should have the standard squad size of 8+2.

Iirc in one of the late 70s there were 2 dedicated AT platoons in a BMP battalion but they didnt have a dedicated company HQ squad as they werent part of a company. By the looks of it a BTR battalion had 3 squads and did have its own platoon HQ.
The 80s BMP ones have a full 3 squads and a platoon HQ of two, seems to be 2 teams of 3 plus an rpgman per squad. Seems to be 2 ATGM squads and one RR squad.

http://67.205.157.234/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9853
Some guy went through an autistic amount of effort to compile all the different forms the motor rifle battalion took and make images of them
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>>81759967
meant for
>>81759719
clicked the other one while scrolling from the top by accident, the image i posted is for BTR rather than BMP though and i think BTR is different to BMP
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>>81759993
>>81759967
Jesus fuck, well I guess that answers my questions pretty well. I'll give a look through here and absolutely dread trying to condense these down into somewhat simple listbuilding rules for a company-level tabletop game. Thanks m8.
>the image i posted is for BTR rather than BMP though and i think BTR is different to BMP
I actually need information on both for what I have planned so it's no problem. From what I've read, BTR and BMP-1 platoons are largely similar and have a few fun toys in their rifle squads compared to those using BMP-2s. I'm thinking of trying to reduce listbuilding down to BTR/BMP-1 or BMP-2 as the first choice, and then going from there with add-ons like AA/AT platoons from the battalion or sidegrades/upgrades like Afghanistan-style equipment organization.
It's all for a fairly casual game but I do want to get this fairly correct at their core, even if I have to take some liberties since Jesus fuck the Plastic Soldier Company Cold War Soviet Infantry is pretty fucking deficient when it comes to including enough of certain equipment. GP-25s are easy enough to add onto at least a one of the sculpts with some plasticard rods but I'm really not looking forward to recasting SVD, RPG, and AT-3 guys to fill out the force.
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>>81758960
I really like their samurai
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>>81759719
The first thing you need to appreciate is that there were significant changes to the org of Soviet MR coys in the late 1980s (due to the Gorbachev drawdowns). You need to decide first whether your company is for pre-1988 or post-1988. Also, of course, BMP battalions did not have any AT Platoon (because they had AT missiles on each BMP).
Assuming your answer to that is post-1988 then you're looking at a BTR battalion having an AT Platoon as you note. The concept was either the platoon attached out its squads to the MR coys or was kept intact as a reserve for the Bn commander. The platoon had post-1988 an authorised three squads each with 7 men and 2 9K111 Fagot launcher posts (for 6 launchers total in the platoon). Each squad was carried in a BTR. There was also a single SPG-9 squad with 4 men and one SPG-9M weapon. Finally there was a PnHQ with 6 men.
Total strength was 31 men (incl 1 officer), 5 BTRs, 6 Fagot, 1 SPG9M, 26 AKS-74 and 5 AKS-74U.
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>>81759967
Yo, shipbucket. I know Shipbucket.
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>>81758805
I have done some of their non-WW2 kits (Irish, Late Romans). They are fine. Better than Warlord, not as sharp and less options than Victrix. But more than adequate for your main force of basic troops. If I were doing WW2 Italians I would definitely pick WGA over Warlord for the models. The kit also has options for Bersaglieri and Alpini, which you would have to get separate expensive metal models for from Warlord.
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>>81757283
My group and I used to play Lion Rampant a lot 4 or 5 years ago, then moved on to Dragon Rampant, then kinda stopped playing it about a year ago.

>>81756792
I'm gonna run them as Teutonics, I like the helmet designs plus their colors are super easy to paint. Drybrush metallic over the chain/plate combo. Medium grey for the base cloth, then light grey, then drybrush some almost white on the highlights. Will probably take me longer to scrape mold lines and assemble than to paint, especially since I bought shield transfers.
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does anyone offer ships suitable as 16th century barques in 1/2400 scale. It seems like the definition of a barque is mostly about what kind of rig it has and they can look pretty different from each other
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Reminder that Denmark is the kino choice for the Napoleonic period.
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>>81763358
Denmark is shit and I spit on all Denmartians.
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>>81763620
>t. sweden
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>>81760233
Yeah that guy has four or six images of BMP/BTR at different times, good luck anon, i hate the soviets but i also really like their armoured and motor rifle unit organisation, its such an efficient combined arms format. No idea what scale you're using but good luck with recasting tiny weapons. I think get most of or an entire regular motor rifle company first and then look at the specialist platoons.


>>81760832
good for some niche stuff
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>>81763358
Irrelevant country. France or Britain have the best uniforms, Prussia, Austria, Russia and rhine states have next best. Denmark is in B tier along with Spain, Portugal and Italian states.
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>>81764337
When Denmark fought with France in Germany marshal Davout said that the Danish were excellent, as good as any French veterans. The Danes had reformed their army after the English terror bombed Copenhagen and many soldiers and officers had served several years. Snappy uniforms as well.
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Does O group have a ground scale that corresponds to a particular miniatures scale?
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What a dead and worthless general lmao
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>>81770513
So what do you have to contribute? There are plenty of unanswered questions in this thread, yes -- so which of them are *you* going to answer?
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>>81770591
Why would I want to contribute to a worthless general?
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>>81770877
Why would you want to make multiple posts in a worthless thread? I guess your time is just as worthless.
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>>81771011
Because I wish it wasn't worthless and the fact that it is makes me upset but there's no hope for it so all I do is complain
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>>81703264
peak aesthetics
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>>81771919
Looking good anon
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>>81770116
>‘O’ Group is designed for use with 20mm, 15mm, 12mm/10mm or 6mm figures. Figure Scale: One infantry base = one section of approximately 10 men. One model AFV or Gun represents two or three tanks or guns. One model transport represents two standard size half-tracks or trucks or three smaller vehicles. Ground Scale: very approximately 1" to 25 yards/metres for 15mm or smaller.
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>>81772388
Going off of that, circa 25mm is 25m for ease of calculation, which gives us a 1:1000 ground scale. 15mm is 1:100, 12/10mm is 1:144, and 6mm is 1:300ish.
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>>81714407
I love that cover. You have some staff officer POG, lost as shit, the grunt who just lost half his friends because S2’s heads are so up there asses telling that POG he’s gonna shove his precious paperwork through his dickhole, all the while some sas or airborne cool guy is laughing at them, even though he’s also lost as shit.
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>>81752042
Post your minis.
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>>81771919
Very nice
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>cheap as fuck
>better proportions and sculpting than 95% of their competitors
>no assembly required, just prime and paint
Literally no excuse to being using Warlord miniatures.
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>>81774163
Got an example of how they look primed and painted?
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SHIT general
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Time to bump
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>>81702745
Use the miniatures to play battlegroup
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>>81774326
No, because he doesn't play nor paint.
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I considered BA but after looking at the models I just can't, how would it play with 1/72 models?
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>>81776835
Same thing happened to me, was pretty excited about it desu but god are warlord sculpts offensive to me
I've heard of people playing 1/72 but keeping the weapons ranges the same and it's supposedly great but never played it personally
I don't have a playgroup already so I'd probably need to stick with 28mm if I wanted any chance to play with people irl
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>>81776835
>>81776914
Is there some reason you feel obliged to play with Warlord models? It's literally just a ruleset.
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>>81776928
1. don't want to play 28mm metal prices for the number of miniatures required for bolt action
2. would need to buy 1/56 vehicles in order to play fairly with other people, I refuse to pay those prices
3. perry don't have enough plastic kits out yet for 28mm to be worthwhile
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>>81776936
Sorry I meant pay 28mm metal prices
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>>81776928
Obliged? not at all but all my terrain and setup is geared around 28mm and I don't know any other 28mm WW2 manufacturers but I can get two platoons of WW2 infantry for less than $20 and it'll look better.
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>>81776972
I haven't really seen many 28mm ww2 manufacturer's out there that are any better than warlord desu, that's another problem
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>>81777008
Jesus Christ, the only way to be worse is sticking a greatcoat on a 40k Ork.
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>>81777068
I mean it's just the style of miniatures that are popular, I know people love them but I don't
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>>81777113
Actually I'm just talking shit desu
The majority of 28mm metal sculpters are bad, they have bad details, bad poses, bad anatomy and bad faces but they don't even begin to approach the sheer awfulness that is warlords cartoonish poses and their caricature like faces
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>>81776972
Perry and Wargames Atlantic.
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>>81743071
Try the Claymore Castings Hundred Years War Range

https://claymorecastings.co.uk/new.claymorecastings.co.uk/
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>>81776972
You must not know any manufacturers at all
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>>81777225
Not that anon but perry are good but very limited, their metal ranges aren't that good with ww2 miniatures either
As far as wargames atlantic go they suffer from the same problems of most metal sculptors imo and also have a very limited range IIRC it's only two kits?
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>>81777250
>https://claymorecastings.co.uk/new.claymorecastings.co.uk/
>that URL
what the hell is wrong with these people?
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>>81777288
Did you think the people making metal medieval miniatures would not be unironic boomers?
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>>81776835
>>81776914
maybe you could consider a resin printer, there are models coming out every month for different periods and styles.
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>>81777276
>limited range
Perry have excellent kits for the north African sector while Wargames Atlantic has partisans, French, Italians and Panzer Lehr. Wargames Atlantic will keep expanding as well.
Warlord on the other hand was so fucking slow that Atlantic managed to set up their entire business and still release plastic Italians before Warlord did.
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>>81777250
Already got my guy, thanks anon.
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>>81777222
My gripe with most 28mm sculpts is that they all look like 40-50 year old men. You look at any pictures of soldiers from WW2 and the first thing you notice is how young they all look,but practically every WW2 28mm sculptor decides to make his models look like they've just gotten back from the pub after a stiff pint
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>>81778581
Blame all the boomer movies casting boomers for their war movies.
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>>81778581
28mm is the boomer nogames scale. You will never escape this.
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>>81779200
>boomer nogame
Boomers are the only ones playing games with massive painted 28mm and 15mm armies on handcrafted terrain at the club or in the man cave. It's 6mm that's the zoomer nogames scale.
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>>81779200
Thats completely false, 28mm is the scale you will find people playing more than anything if at all they play historic. Stop trying to make a niche game genre into a fucking elitist mire, play whatever fucking scale your friends play, it doesnt matter what it is.
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>>81779346
>collecting dust unpainted in their basements
>"playing"

nah, 28mm is an artscale for magpies and gundam builders.
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>>81779555
Sounds like a you problem. Again, play whatever your friends are playing, that is the only deciding factor in what you should want to use.
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>scale

75% of my clubs tables are old guys playing historicals, about a third of them are 28mm, the rest are 15mm or smaller. The /awg/ corner is almost exclusively 28mm though.
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>>81780050
I promise you most of that 1/3 are BA players that see no real difference between /awg/ and /hwg/ anyway like>>81747950
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>>81780075
Nobody plays BA, 28mm is mostly post Roman Britain or Spanish Civil War, smaller scales are medieval, ancient or Napoleonic
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>>81780173
I mean I know they don't really play much, but they never stfu even after their general died so I give them a bit of a doubt
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>>81780075
Man, if ImagiNations is /awg/ then Charles Grant and many of the wargamers of old has some explaining to do, because ImagiNations and related scenarios have been a staple of that form of wargaming.
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>>81778581
There's a number of things factoring in. Movies are a big one but another one is that they want the face lines to "pop" which unfortunately basically means they are way too deep so your average soldier looks like he belongs in the Nazca lines.
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>>81698561
Anyone have PDFs for ADLG or BE?
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>>81782205
adlg v4 is recent and has no official PDF
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>>81782221
I thought that might be the case. I just ordered a copy of Bataille Empire for the same reason. Might try to scan them if it's doable but it's a big task.
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>>81782263
yeah those games especially BE are more popular with old people that don't think PDF is necessary.

If you want a very modern ancients game with a PDF check out aurelian.
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>>81780173
The only AARs I've ever seen in this goddamn thread come from the BA and FOW guys. Take them out and it's just /Historical Wishgame General/
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>>81782945
I am talking about my club Anon, we regularly have two simultaneous DBM games but i've never seen WW2.
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>>81783221
Oh. Well in that case I'm just a surly cunt. Carry on, anon. O7
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>>81749328
Holy shit Eureka delivers fast, ordered my Aussies 2 days ago and they're already here. Guess I'm just used to having to wait for packages from over the pond. Anyways, they're glued on to pop-cicle sticks and spray primed, should be easy to paint, considering they're mostly flat brown and some green and khaki
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>>81743393
They literally have that exact armor in the kit you picky uneducated faggot
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>>81785003
Which country?
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>>81785188
US
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>>81698561
I’ve never played a wargame before and want to start with Rising Sun by Avalon Hill, is this a good idea?
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>>81785766
>avalon hill

no, it is not a good idea. Play something from this century
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whats the general verdict on wargames atlantic's stuff? compared to say victrix or perry
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>>81786409
art tier:
victrix, perry

trash cash grab tier:
wargames atlantic, warlord

this is never not true.
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If I play Bolt Action using WW2 accurate tactics, am I going to hate it? It's the only game in my town and it all seems very samesie. I need to spice it up to keep my interest.
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>>81786742
it's trash both from a gameplay perspective and a historical perspective, as are all core warlord games.

so yes
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>>81786753
So I'm stuck unless I convince everyone to play something else. If only I could get them to play in 20 or 15mm at least. Uuuuuggggghhhhhhh.
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>>81786810
you're not stuck. be a social chad and find/create a different+ better playgroup.

Local store 28mm magpie types are generally unfixably unfocused and don't care about gameplay just shiny
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>>81786742
>>81786810
See if you can shill them into trying Chain of Command using 28mm models.
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Any good metal dark age miniatures which would work well with victrix?
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>>81786810
If you want to break the game store meta, you can only either find a club or start one. If you depend on the game store crowd, learn to love whatever shit they're playing.
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>>81786409
It's not up the same standard as Victrix and Perry, but they're still quite good for what they are.
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>Joe was William Travis' slave
>after he was freed, he loitered in Texas for about a year
>then when there was a bounty on him he raced and dodged slave catchers to
>return to the Travis house where he probably spent the rest of his life as a slave again
>Carlos Benski was a Polish veteran of the Napoleonic wars in service to Prussia, he was part of the liberation of Mexico and under Santa Anna was one of the men who kicked out the Spanish once and for all from the mainland
>fought against the Texans
>literally killed himself out of sadness when the war was lost
History is fucking weird.
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>>81786478
>titan tier
Perry
>excellent but sadly suffering from digital sculpting adding too much shit tier
Victrix
>not the best sculpts but loads of options
Wargames Atlantic
>not the best sculpts and not the most options
Warlord Games



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