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Cathay was a peer to nekehara at nekehara's height but unlike nekehara, cathay never fell.Would I personally have maybe toned down the fantasticality a little bit? yes. But cathay still merits being pretty high up on the fantasticality scale.
>>81303262I will not dispute that.But to fit the setting, they're going to have to show some aspect of social decay or corruption.
>>81303276yeah and they probably will in TOW but total war barely gives a shit about that shit for any faction
>>81303326well, for the actual dark factions they do but they massively tone down the flaws of the order factions
>>81303326This too is far. However their decay should probably still be reflected in some respect.Obviously it wouldn't be shown in the trailer, but without that aspect they really just seem like a Mary Sue faction when considered next to all the other races who have to deal with so much shit.e.g.The fractious nature of the Empire is shown through its Imperial Authority, where you need to placate all the provinces.The Dwarfs have several events and issues showing how they do not forgive, and their grudges are supposed to be an important mechanic.The Lizardmen technology isn't about developing, but reclaiming some of their lost knowledge.Bretonnia shows their societal garbage with pretty much every voice-line in the faction.
>>81303393It kinda seems like their issue is going to be "the emperor's kids are almost as keen to fight each other as they are to fight the actual enemy."Ha, i just realized that would basically make it basically "cathay: 8 princes" even though Three kingdoms 8 princes was a flop
>>81303170Thank you for the homage. Fuck GW for ruining the return of Fantasy with chink pandering.
>>81303262Both Cathay and Kislev got hit with the 'current GW' design stick that is unable to design a faction without over emphasis on a couple aspects to the point of stupidity. Arguably Cathay didn't get hit quite as hard as Kislev with 'muh bear muh ice', but they did clearly want to go for a The Great Wall vibe which isn't the worst thing that could have happened.
>>81303482its literally so easy. just do late medieval china and russia and sprinkle in a few fantasy elements here and there. but no, the zoomers will be bored!frankly tho, i kind of preferred leaving cathay as a bit of a mystery. its nice when the whole world isnt super explored and defined. it also let players who really want to make a cathay army be that much more creative in what they do
>>81303482I don't disagree which is kinda why i said i personally would have toned it down a bit, but if anyone's going to be hit with "current GW design" the country that was a peer to nekehara but never got the nagash treatment is 100% the least bad candidate.
Imagine a character manly enough to choke a fucking dragon to death. None of the named characters could manage that.
>>81303535>its literally so easy. just do late medieval china and russia and sprinkle in a few fantasy elements here and there. but no, the zoomers will be bored!Again, cathay was a peer to nekehara. It could stand to be toned down a LITTLE but as much as you are advocating would not match its place in the setting.
>>81303535They seem to be super afraid of having a lot of cross over between Empire/Kislev/Cathay for some reason. There was no reason they couldn't have been regular armies with a handful of mystical/magic units rather than focused on all this shit. But I guess this is what happens when they don't have old tabletop source material to really follow.
>>81303551the whole point of whfb is that the vast majority of any army is typically basic dudes in basic armor with basic weapons, not some backflipping ponces in super ornate armor (>inb4 muh chaos warriors). Even nehekharan infantry is fairly down to earth. if you take away the fact that they're skellingtons, they look pretty similar to what i imagine the average egyptian infantryman would be
>>81303551Not hard to justify though since whilst they could have been really fantastical back in the days of Nehekara, the advent of gun powder and some degree of industrialisation would give rise to a simpler empire less reliant upon these fantastic elements.
>>81303344>play Creative Assembly dark elves>We are druchii!>literally just an elf skin>read Warhams that has dark elves not even as the protagonist>taken literally they're cannibalistic nazi sadists>taken with nuance they simply justify all their actions, their consequences and the state of the world with something approximating the worst qualities in human beings, but are a completely functioning dysfunctional society with warped values that required a council of edgelords to imagine in the first placeBut that's not to complain really, the video games never go into the interesting things because for a video game the interesting parts are spectacle followed by wit.>>81303393>but without that aspect they really just seem like a Mary Sue factionWeren't the T'au like this originally in 40K? Then they became a very Warhammer faction with Chinese characteristics, to put it one way.
>>81303607This. The moment they start making this crazy stuff commonplace is the moment it loses its charm. There is some leeway for an RTS of course given you need to have top tier units available, but putting emphasis on this stuff as common in their lore misses the grounding of the setting.
>>81303607that's a much fairer argument when you put it like that, but also that's uh... not really what you're going to put the focus on in your trailer
>>81303619warhammer doesn't really have any magic/tech dichotomy that would drive that, the empire for example is industrializing AND ramping up it's reliance on wizards simultaneously.I think if they were "the empire, but chinese" it would genuinely drive a question of "how the fuck were these people supposed to be peers to nekehara?"
You know what I just realized, which is sad? Cathay doesn't have an established history, at least compared to other parts of the Warhammer world. We'd probably be less mad if we had a proper timeline of events to explain how things came to be and made everything feel like it had a proper place. Instead we're just thrown a whole faction with no history or connection to the rest of the world.Sure TOW will probably fix this - and by the fact that Cathay will exist there, other places off TOW map like Nehekhara and Lustria have a chance - but now we've opened up a huge chunk of the world that will need more fleshing out. They can't just leave Cathay with the Hung and the odd Dark Elf raiders, they'll probably have to do Ind and Nippon too. And then how do you manage to have literally the entire globe able to battle each other, like a wargame will inevitably require excuses for? It's too big.
>>81303634>Weren't the T'au like this originally in 40K?Tau were never true Mary Sues. Granted their existence is one giant deus ex given the context of the setting, but beyond a handful of poorly thought out lore snippets they never really had significant power beyond holding their own territory. Which it was always emphasised that they could only do because major factions couldn't properly focus on their destruction due to having to fight multiple wars themselves. What people complained about what that the Tau seemed too good or noble in nature for the setting until some of the shadier elements were introduced, with the bigger elements of that not even being introduced by GW themselves but via Dawn of War.
>>81303687To add to that last part, it's a shitton of work to give the entire rest of the map that hadn't been fleshed out lore and a timeline and everything. Which likely means a lot of effort will be taken away from the old factions we used to love, especially with GW juggling two other wargames - unless GW just sticks with a narrower "present" around the starting date, which is sad because one of the theories was we might jump around different dates in the past, and that seems less possible now with all the new blanks needing filled in.
>>81303677Yes but wizards aren't commonplace to the extent that these trailers make out all the mystical shit to be for Cathay. And it isn't like an empire hasn't fallen from grace before so having them be great in the past, go through some calamity or civil war etc, then being a semi functioning empire now would not be out of place. Pushing for a return to past glory is a perfectly fine motivation for an empire too.
>>81303731yeah but the empire's wizard production is "what three elves managed to jury rig together 200 years ago." Least fantastical possible interpretation of cathay is still gonna have a 4000 year magical tradition informing them how to figure out who has magical potential and teach them to make use of it
>>81303687>>81303721>implying they'll put any thought into itlol dude its EZ. Ind = turban elephanty bois. Nippon = dragon ronin samurai ninjas n shieeeet. Buy moar funko pops. Also all ur dudes fight each other because, uh... magic mcguffins! There, fixed it.t. James Workshop
>>81303607>not some backflipping ponces in super ornate armor (>inb4 muh chaos warriors).?
>>81303760Yes but how many years of secret Tzeentch fuckery has gone on behind the scenes thanks to his disciples infiltration. If Cathay is so powerful with all this stuff then one has to ask the question how Ogres are still a problem for them, and why they haven't dealt with the Chorf and Chaos problem already.
>>81303797Kinda good point? But they do have very basic bitch spear and bow elves. Those are all elites there.
Cathay good. Simple as.
>>81303819i'm not arguing that they have to be THIS powerful and fantastical specifically, just that they really do merit being more fantastical than "the empire, but chinese"
>>81303797see, if you weren't a secondary, you would know that the White Lions are an elite unit of the setting's ubermensch race. No shit, they're going to be fancy. here is what basic elf units looks like. nowhere near as ornate
>>81303693I loved the first Tau Codex so much.Hate what they turned into.
>>81303760>alot of assumptions to justify one shitty trailer.its equally possible the only part of cathay that remained for those 4000 is the dragons. cathay people culture knowledge (outside of dragons) could have fallen to shit repeatedly over those 4000 years
>>81303899Same. There is a handful of newer units I like, like the Ghostkeel, but overall their aesthetic and design philosophy changed too much.
>>81303943>led by absolute monarchs with knowledge older than the coming of the old ones who impart that knowledge as per the trailer says(Miao Yin says so) >"Nah, they wouldn't have such a source for information"
Wasn't there a story about sigmar entering the realm of chaos, swinging ghal maraz around before realizing chaos was immortal and walking out?
>>81304013there are stories about lots of things, half of them contradictory
>>81303886So when we get to see the foot soldiers of any of the Cathay factions, what makes you think they'll have gold, let alone soulstones, in their helmets?
>>81304021not really helpful,
>>81303995Nothing to say that the Dragon Emperor didn't take a few centuries off only to come back and find everything went to shit without his supervision. That would even be an excellent justification for having the dragon kids so they can look after the empire when he couldn't be fucked.
>>81303687Cathay only exist in WtOW because some stupid Chinkoid new rich faggot funded it. God, I fucking hate these fucking Nottingham faggots who will compromise on their principles for a quick fucking buck and betray their entire civilization for some fucking chinkoid funny-money. Fuck Andy Hoare, that fucking literal chinkoid-pandering WHORE. Like shit. Just take their money and replicate the fucking European grimdark fantasy that WFB is supposed to be.I fucking hate nuGW and am so fucking angry at this Cathay crap. No elves. No beastmen. Not even fucking universally-reviled Chaos fucking things up. No. We get fucking chink crap.I hope these people fucking die of COVID. Fucking loser assholes.
>>81303103I'm gonna be honest giant terracotta warriors are really cool
I like this guy's banner/advertisement. Good callback and looks good on its own.
>>81304120>weeb>having taste dictated by uwu cute no nose grillName a more iconic duo
>>81304093GW wants you to buy a new army for ToW instead of using currently made models or your old army
>>81303995>>led by absolute monarchs with knowledge older than the coming of the old ones>the dragons er.. gods er.. DRAGON GODS! MARISU AND GARISU! WITH KUNGFU ACTION!God it really is going to be a complete shitfest isn't it.
>>81304222Yup, and the zoomies are gonna eat it up
>>81304222>get into whfb to avoid the Le Epic God Centerpiece Models (TM)>they will now be in whfb tooREEEEE
>>81304177But I'm not going to do that. I'm going to spend my billions of trust fund dollars on actual fucking WFB minis that GW no longer sells. Fuck China.
>>81304438the armies GW currently makes will suffer a fate of being dripfed to you over 4 years and remade with people trying to gatekeep old armies
>>81304495>remade with people trying to gatekeep old armiesSounds like a consolation prize. Fuck China.
>>81303262Cathay had the benefit having the Dragon Emperor who's literally an Immortal Dragon to guide it for the next 2500 years. Nekehara had Settra but unfortunately he was a mortal. Guess who ruined Nekehara after Settra's passing?
>>81303262Chink detected, fuck Cathay.
>>81304093>>81304438>>81304507Have you considered going into Battletech? A lot of 40K players moved over to Battletech the shit GW pulled with Warhammer+.
>>81304438Honestly I have spent like €3000 this year on eBay and only have like 200 models lol
>>81304596Unfortunately BT is getting infested with trannies, gays, and leftists now so I wouldn't advise it. Not even memeing.
>>81304093How do they even know that it will even sell there? Even if it is popular, the Chinks will just buy fake knockoffs or 3D print them themselves.
>>81303433When is ToW suppose to come out?
>>81304616Half this thread has old armies, third parties and recasts, and by the same token refuses to buy new shit. Even if only 1 out of 20 Chinese dudes buy legit models (at least 70 million people), that's a huge number compared to half of a dwindling fanbase that might maybe cash in. It'd be foolish of GW to entirely rely on nostalgia from an old market they already spurned several times - new customers make sense. And it might force some old players to buy the brand new army, so win-win for the businessmen.
>>81304863You know, with the whole <18 years old Video Game Ban for Minors in China, a lot of them will be looking for a new hobby.
>>81303540Let's see. GotrekNakaiGor-RokKroq-GarFounder of blood dragon bloodline Probably many others I forgot.
>>81304616Based Chinamen, crafting their own goods and making their fun with their own two hands. If only western wargamers weren't so cucked by oppressive copyright law...
This conversion work?
>>81304495>gatekeepTry it, I play 6E with old models and proxies, I don't care.
>>81304979your fingerprints are all over it but it's cool in concept
>>81305004not him, but i actually think its cool. it kind of gives the tentacle a leathery texture. i wonder if it will be visible after painting
>>81304577I'd fuck Miao Yin, yes.
/40kg/ here. How does it feel knowing that GW sold out your game to Xi?
>>81304993Anon you are a minority in this thread and groups surrounding complaining about all things Warhammer fantasy related.
>>81305083>your gameTOW is not WHFB, anybody talking about it here is an off topic shitposter.
I thought the trailer was pretty good. The only thing I'm pissed about is that it was delayed until 2022.
>>81304093You were never wanted and won't be missed
>>81304610Anon that "infestation" is just old BT fanbase. You just never knew that those people were what made up most of non GW wargame groups.
Anybody who actually likes WHFB should take a dnd OSR attitude, ignore everything after a certain date and focus on hobby, homebrew and community over shilling corporate bullshit.
It's fucking tabletop gaming, it's always been a safe haven for misfits and oddballs.
>>81305222As someone who plays 40k and fantasy not using GW rules at all I agree. Like the settings and the models, throw away shit system and have fun. Heck write your own stuff for it.
>>81304934Genius, except I doubt China will manage to enforce the ban. Too many tech workarounds. But if they do, GW is fucking lucky.
>>81304941See the hard part is wrapping your hands around that neck. Sure it's sinuous but it ain't dainty. Even if we allow for a chokehold, that's a lot of force needed.
>>81305252Have you see size of some old lizardmen. Nakai most definitely got the hands to strangle that fucker.
>>81304979Neat, I can imagine a clear border if you want the tentacled inside to be lighter than the outside, but I'd try smoothing it a little first. Especially that small scratch near the inside of the curve. Should be some sculpting tools out there meant for working clay.
>>81305157>Anon that "infestation" is just old BT fanbase.Bullshit. All the fucking gay and trans rights shit on the BT FB groups didn't start until recently. Prior to that most arguments were over whether a paint scheme was lore accurate, pro clan or anti clan, and why the Wobbies did nothing wrong.
>>81305244Does GW even sell stuff in China?
>>81304979Looks like a slug. You could give it eyes and antenna
>>81305295Anon those aren't trans or gay people. Those are arch worshipers trying to stir shit. I know because my local community is mostly gay itself. There are like two straight dudes in it
>>81305262I love that mental image. At least there is some degree of dignity in a dragon getting punked by the superior predators like a Dread Saurian or Carnosaur, but imagine the REEEE from dying by being choked out by a roided up Kroxigor.
>>81305307The more important question is how many of your local community are clanners or cappies.
>>81305310This is why I love that mental image. Death by kroxigor is just best shit ever. Always love to see it in any setting I get, be it bloodbowl, fantasy or AoS
>>81305318Mixture mostly from what I seen, thought since community itself is not that old due to how table top game came into the country, clanners are more numerous.
>>81303170based>>81303433>>81303535>>81303607>>81303639>>81303886>>81303782>>81303687>>81304093also very based so far a good thread, all I wanna see are a Dogs of War faction(s) probably wont happen but eh
Anyone know any good files for Tomb Kings? onepagerules free testers didn't come out good in my 3D printer.
>>81305333>clanners are more numerousWarm up those ACs then.>>81305341Capellans, it's a faction.Imagine some capybaras in giant stompy robots tho
>>81305362Anon you just described the less chaotic and more competent cousin of skaven I feels.
So ive been thinkingAll this Cathay stuff has "the old world" slapped onto its concept art images....but nowhere is it actually said they're being part of The Old World?The main article doesnt say itComments from the WHC team on social media dont say itEtc etcUnlike say, Kislev, where they said in one of the articles that Kislev you see ingame are exactly what the models will beSurely, if Cathay was coming to ToW, they wouldve confirmed it?Just an observation is all
>>81305382They said something about making 8e rules for them but I heard that on this site and didn't look myself.
>>81305391They said they made special rules for them for 8th ed and gave them to CA to adapt to videogame formBut obviously, thats 8thMaybe its just a hint that Cathay was in the pipeline before the plug was pulled
>>81305425>in the pipeline before the plug was pulledI doubt it, there were way more relevant factions in the works before GW dropped the ball.
>>81305429yeah like the Fishmen
>>81303482Kislev got hit really hard by "ice and bear" but generally droping 17st Polish commonwealth/Muscovite desing is even worse. My pet theory someone in office has a bright moment of lore autism of "Old world will be set in the pass, so Kislev should look like pass version of itself before Boris modernisation" and turned them into Kiev Rus.
>>81305493I said "relevant" so I obviously meant real factions
>>81305372Truly the order faction we needed
>>81305496I am more inclined to believe that GW is just still retarded when it comes to design and can't understand that things can be designed without focusing on a couple of elements. It is something that has plagued them for a long while now, arguably starting with some of the Space Marine Chapter re-designs.
>>81305496How far back are they going? In the time before Boris , the Tsarina was turned into a vampire and ended up ruling for 150 years until her family managed to kill her. (2310 - 2450-ish)And the whole place was generally a mess because when Magnus the Pious slapped Asavar Kul's shit it caused the survivors of the chaos horde to splinter and go running all through Kislev and Norsca.
>>81303103Why do you pretend that you play or even just collect warhammer?>verification not required.
>>81305606Who is this question directed at?
>>81305582TOW seems to generally be set at the end of the age of the three emperors and lead-in into the great invasion of chaos so about 250-300 years ago
>>81303687>Sure TOW will probably fix thisYou retards will never learn lol.
>>81303886see, if you weren't illiterate, you would have realised that the units focused on in the trailer elite units of the setting's kung fu race. No shit, they're going to be fancy. here is what basic gook units looks like. nowhere near as ornate>Grand Cathay is also one of the most populous nations in the Old World, formed as it is from hundreds of tribes that gathered under the Celestial Dragon Emperor in years gone by. Thus, it has legions to call upon when needed, with the less trained forming a fragile but effective frontline, wielding weapons and riding horses as required. Though they are cheaper troops, their power level can far out-strip their cost when used in proper Harmony.
>>81305621Yeah, TWW3 will fix it when it reveals the history of Cathay.TOW will help expand it though and I'm looking forward to it. Haven't done so from a GW launch in years.
>>81305671Maybe it has something to do with their unique harmony mechanic?
>>81305668>Cathay was a peer to nekehara at nekehara's height but unlike nekehara, cathay never fell.Exactly what basememnt dwelling corporate shill/yesman would say
>>81305644>less trained forming a fragile but effective frontlinethis is a fucking oxymoron.
Is Pastebin Anon still around?
>poster leader of cathay is a woman>crushing majority of soldiers given screentime longer than a second on trailer are womenclap clap
>>81305723>what are bretonnian paesants or skaven slaves?
>>81305757Hae you ever heard word "effective" used to describe peasant/skavenslaves "battleline"?
>>81305723oxymorons are cosntructions where contradictory terms are used to express something logically sound, so it wouldn't be a problem if it was
>>81303276Agreed. If they're leaning so hard into basic shit about China, perhaps show a warped or even more fucked version of confucianism. The trailer sort of hints at the workers and stuff being mindless drones, but who knows, I don't think gw is that based t b h.
>>81303540Norsca is boring as shit. Same for chaos in general.
>watched the trailer>catahy is a lost cause like kislev>hordes of tzeentch disc raiders
Looks like Cathay is going to be a slower army based on pike and shot tactics. If I had to guess, it sounds like a Dwarf army that's traded some of the staying power for speed and utility. The trailer shows their ground game opening with a grenadier/handgun unit that fires a volley to soften up the enemy and then lets the pikes move up to receive the enemy charge. They have some kind of aer cavalry , that winged horse unit, but it doesn't really get shownI'm guessing the empire will still have everyone beat for sheer magic utility though, because Cathay has some kind of dragon sorcerer thing going on. Probably restricting magic to the nobility and people who are connected to the celestial dragon family.
Lmfao I got banned from the Warhammer: The Old World facebook group for saying that GW was pandering to the CCP. Sad. Imagine what our ancestors would have thought after learning you can get socially ostracized for criticizing communism. Insanity.
>>81305821Chaos can be fun. But only old school chaos where chaos was shit. Chaos warband that barely survives and is made of the worst of the worst creatures and cultists is awesome.
>>81305840>Looks like Cathay is going to be a slower army based on pike and shot tactics.Nobody gives a fuck. It's going to be a failed edition. Probably worse than 8th.
>>81305771yeshave you ever played warhammer?
>>81303797Wood elves probably a better way to illustrate your point. Vast majority of high elves fight in a very basic way, white lions are not particularly common, just like sword masters.
>>81305866>retard thinks that fluff and gameplay = the same>thinks that players calling something "effective" = fluff
>>81305870Reminder that wardancers>swordmasters in terms of skill
>>81305802>more fucked version of confucianism.>zealous cultists of the celestial dragons subdue a neighbouring city to fuel the hungry industry of war in the northern bastion, following the "proclamation of order and unity" by the dragon emperor >1560 IC. colorizedhttps://youtu.be/B5JcJWK94pk?t=2504
>>81305843Good point, agreed. I almost like the idea that chaos warbands having no actual territory, living in the wild and dark corners of the empire exclusively and rarely uniting to do some real damage to the empire. As of later editions it came across like they were just hanging around waiting to steamroll the thing. To me at least.
>>81305880>>retard thinks that fluff and gameplay = the sameyou do realise that the passage is referring to gameplay there, don't you?
>>81305892Yes, which is why I can tell you that cheap, numerous chaff was the most popular kind of unit to make an anvil
>>81305866Yes I have and neither of that unit is or was effective. and show me where anyone called them effective in their respective army books
Finished my 6 raptoryx that I'll proxy as harpies for my beastmen armyOnly 3 minotaurs and one shaman and the army will be done!
>>81305848About Cathay being a failed faction in Warhammer 3, sorry anon looks like people have changed their minds. A lot of the Chinese comments on Bilibili (Chinese Youtube) are now them saying that "CA canceled 3 Kingdoms to work on Cathay was totally worth it."
>>81305915Proves that you have never played as/versus bretonnia, son.
>>81305929>people have changed their minds>A lot of the Chinese comments..."CA canceled 3 Kingdoms to work on Cathay was totally worth it"I see you need other people to remind you how embarrasingly dumb you are
>>81305848>nobody is allowed to talk about the new fantasy faction in the fantasy thread because I personally am having a panic attack over a video game trailerSigmar preserve us from these salty bitches
>>81305897Based.That kind of thing would be perfect. Something to reflect the eastern way of war, there's no gentleman's agreements, just savagery, imperialism, total war and annihilation between competitors. Having some centerpiece crazy machinery and contraptions seems like a good idea to me. Kind of link them with skryre like nippon and eshin. Giant mechanical dragon seems pretty cool to me
>>81304979Needs some work, but so far so good
>>81305921>neither of that unit is or was effective.then you haven't played"solid", "well worth" and "great" are good enough for you? or do you want to move the goalpost to even more literal and pedantic positions?
>>81305929Warhammer is a Western game. Fuck Chinese insects and what they think.
>>81305954Did you forget to take your meds?
>>81305941more than you, faggotwhy do you think I always had a trio of salamanders if not to deal with the inevitable block of slaves?
>>81305755I like Cao Cao in that series much, much more than Lui Bei. Cao Cao is shown to be more complex and is a joy to watch, Liu Bei however seems to be unable to emote, keeps getting his ass handed to him and only managed to pull through thanks to his brothers and by the ridiculous amount of people flocking to him
>>813057718th edition, sometimes. But that's more on 8th edition's infantry rules being kind of wacky and making mass deployment of chaff more viable (where in earlier editions they'd just get steamrolled and run down by elite units of cavalry).
>>81305968>Warhammer is a Western gamewhich is why not!china is stereotyped through western lenses
>>8130594124 men-at-arms escorting a damsel with icone of quenelle and carrying a polearm + shield are quite strong
>>81305968Nah, fuck you.
>>81305926do the models even keep themselves up?the bases look small
>>81305967And I can tell you, you stupid fag, that this excerpt makes no fucking sense whatsoever, I wonder if you can figure out why. P.S. Goalposts moving pedant is you since this is from 5th edition where Maa had WS3 and Ld7. Still doesn't make sense but you're too dumb to see it but I guess if it was penned by GW it does to you.
>>81306036They don't rank, but as they are fliers, on the TT, they're suposed to be in loose formation. As for combat, they're on 20mm base, so I'll just tell my buddy I put all 6 on the front rank
>>81305977>"never played agianst Bretonnia">trio of salamanders to deal with the inevitable block of slaveslol, are you having a stroke retard?
>>81305897really, you could take any scene of a chinese movie and pretends it's cathayarr rook the samehttps://youtu.be/DefILRrX77k
>>81303886Only secondaries care about fluff
>>81306071>implying chinese culture is worthy of being nothing buy ching chang dragons and fireworksThey should be HONORED to be part of the warhammer world. Some unique and more interesting culture of the world don't have that chance
>>81306045>post literally this>n-no not like that>Goalposts moving pedant is you since this is from 5th edition where Maa had WS3 and Ld7are you seriously moving the goalpost again while accusing me of doing it? are you jewish?
>>81306062it's like talking to a brainless nigger with youcan you even remember the previous posts?
>>81305982Yeah, Cao Cao owns the series. For the first part of the show Liu Bei makes a series of schizo decisions based on some weird self-made principles that actively prevent him from achieving any goal. I mean how fucked you have to be to get cucked by Lu Bu? Only after he enlists Kongming and after Pang Tong eats tons of arrows he finally matures into a proper ruler. And amount of times Zhang Fei fucks up everything is truly staggering, but that's Peach Garden Nepotism for you. Great series anyway. This is the only eastern show I actually like.
>>81306101Not him but this piece indeed makes no sense anon. Protecting M8 cavalry flanks with M4 infantry is just impossible or extrememly retarded gameplaywise.
>>81304495What about the armies they stopped making? What about tomb kings? They were retarded enough to stop production of kits they made moulds for barely 3 years before they killed Fantasy. There's no fucking way they don't start selling the Tomb Kings range again.But, unfortunately, Cathay is going to impede that. Because apparently the ching chong faction that never had actual rules is the focus now.
>>81306101Fag, just admit you haven't played a game in your life and be done with it. Also stop projecting, you're moving the goalposts non stop but apparently being ignorant of how game actually looks like and how it plays on the tabletop prevents you from seeing how contradictory you are.
>>81306114>Peach Garden NepotismI loled
>>81306098Get some perspective you turdflipper.
>>81305606Because I do. Do you?
>>81303535The one in the trailer is supposed to be one of their great cities, and it has a daughter of their emperor ruling over it. It s childrens would likely have elite armies at their service, as well being granted the use of terracotta constructs and more advance machinery like those balloons. Mages are present in the Empire armies, Grand Cathay armies would have them as well and we see only one mage plus the princess. And she seems the one that needs to defend the great bastion. So she should be important enough for access to those troops Tomb Kings trailer also showed off their power, and what was the personal army of Settra.I recon Cathay has also standard infantry for tier one, they just didn't show it in the trailer.
>>81306178so first you claim that's contradictory for a frail chaff to be an effective frontline despite multiple units are already know to do itthen you move the goalpost to claim that thise don't count because the armybooks don't wank those units like that despite proof of the contrarythen you move the goalpost to claim that doesn't count because the wank is also situational or wishfuland I'm the one that supposedly moves the goalpost?there's a reason every skaven list at the end had a large block of immovable slaves, it's because chaff units can form an effective frontline you fucking nigger kike
>tfw no pooh monster for cathay
>>81304044You get what you get
Are the disc riders really just Chaos Warrior model on a disc? Because that's what it looks like in the trailerWouldn't surprise me since CA is fucking trash
>>81306299Probably, I'm not big into Tzeentch but aren't Discs supposed to be a hero/lord mount and not the basic cavalry?
>>81303103>More shitposting editionIt's not shitposting to recognize that GW is purposefully killing WtOW with China pandering and absolute un-thematic bullshit.
>>81306309it's going to be like hyppogriph cavalry or bear knights. It's probably a thing, but never had models or important part in the story.
Geez... The whole Cathay thing just getting me yikes but do we really need that amount of hysterical meltdown ? Does everyone now need to have strong takes on everything ?That being said, I must say, I enjoy watching all this outrage.Plz proceed.
>>81306299seems soCA is not taking any initiative whatsoever with chaos since they decided to hamfist together monstrous arcanum units into their own misshapen thing
>>81306345So dissapointing, and Cathay is just extremely generic ancient china shit with tons of recycled assets from Three Kingdoms. Wish they would actually spend time on the Chaos armies instead of wasting it on boring China faction
>>81306251you could technically make a mod about a recolour of the elemental bear of kislev and enjoy the resulting meltdown
>>81306309Yes, Dsics were daemon mounts aka very rare and speshul. >>81306318You can't really compare these two (three) anon.
>>81306114>And amount of times Zhang Fei fucks up everything is truly staggeringTo be fair, he's a butcher turned "general" who likes to drink and fight.
>>81305606Here, have some cocks
>>81306395>halflings>against humanityI FUCKING KNEW IT!
>>81306309so were juggernauts of khorne, steeds of slaanesh, rotflies of nurgle etc
>>81306358You missed the end of my post.But at least you get me laughing.PS : >>81303170based.
>>81306404Yesterday I found a WD with Marius vs Moot article. Wonder if people realize he was actually right and his motifs were justifable, not only a meme
>>81306007Go to bed, Chang.
>>81306378Zhang Fei was an epitome of raging, violent retard and Liu Bei was guilty of keeping him in position of importance.
>>81303103Hey, is pic related out? If so, anyone have a pdf version?>>81305606I don't pretend, I don't play with minis or table top RPG. Just some vidya, but rarely. I visit this general rarely too.I don't like Warhammer that much anyway, I just like some aspects of dark elves (and would use them as template for my own dark elves), some art and so on.
>stop playing with the group thanks to lockdowns>abandon WHF threads at the same time>wonder what has happened>return months later>SECONDARIES SECONDARIES EVERYONE BUT ME IS SECONDARIES>CHINA GOOD I LOVE XI>CHINA BAD I HATE GENOCIDE>NO YOU ARE TROLLED NOT ME>NO YOU ARE BUTTHURTOh thank god nothing changed.
>>81306309They were, but there is some precedent in spinning rare mounts into regular units with things like Skullcrushers or the old Changebringers. I suspect that if Tzeentch was ever expanded into a full army book you would probably have seen units of Disc-Riders as Special/Rare.
>>81306549>stop playing with the group thanks to lockdownsWeak excuse, lockdowns were lifted months ago
>>81306559I am not a burger, thank you.
>>81306528>>81306532what do you have against rainbowpizza the disc of tzeentch?don't tell me you fell for the psyop of giving up the rainbow to the globohomobtw posting sum more tzeentch
>>81306571I'm posting these because I see them as one of the few times a modern interpretation of tzeentch has captured the oldhammer aestheticand because fish riders are a more interesting mount choice for tzeentch rather than more and more discs, though that was to be expected
>>81306570I'm from Eu dude, where I live all lockdowns stopped being a thing since april/may (masks are still on in public transports and shops). And it's not like there was a home arrest beforehand.
>>81303103Does anyone have a link to the 8th Edition FAQs for the individual armies?
>>81306571Looks like trypophobia shit, freaks me out
The fact that Cathay is the first substantive WtOW preview since Kislev and in the same non-Warhammer style is quite gutting. I was super hype on GW and now I don’t even want to finish my kill teams or build the High Elf army I had lined up. Will probably not even make the big tourney I signed up for next month at this rate.Way to kill my 9-month hobby boner, James. Fuck.
>>81306746>I wanted to make an army for a long dead system no longer supported by GW but I don't like what GW does now so I quit!Yes, better take meds
>>81306746>I was super hype on GWtranny pls
>hurr why are the qilins having wings?They're suposed to be longmas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longma
>>81306746This post lacks reason and logic
>>81306799longma balls lmao
>>81306799No one gives a fuck about this stupid China crap. Fuck off.
Does anyone here know what the new EiR dev diary is about?
>>81306802Warhammer isn’t about Cathay or Kislev. Can’t even bring myself to post a night goblin hanging an AoS troon. We lost, WFB bros. We lost.
>>81306680>50% of your army can be Lords>50% of your army can be Heroeswtf, that's a huge difference from 25% for each. When the hell did they change that? What stops you from just taking Lords and no Heroes?Also wtf do they mean by the lore of undeath is available to any wizard. Can I have my chaos sorcerer lord of tzeentch using undead spells? What about my liche high priest?
All wuxia, xianxia and ching chong shits get the fuck out. Don't shit up the thread.
>>81306828>When the hell did they change that?those are end times changesI think somewhere it also gives wizards more power diceignore that completely except the part that allows beastmen to take marks, that's cool
>>81306828End Times wank. Feel free to ignore both, they have as much relevance to 8E as mixed Chaos, mixed Elves and the superpowered incarnate characters.Although it was quite funny to see a Daemon list running 3 Bloodthirsters.
>>81306838and the putrid blightkings. Those guys are probably the most OP unit in the whole game, it's ridiculous.
>>81306799That's nice and all, but:>Qilins and longma aren't really that separate of a concept.>Longmas don't have wings, either. It's literally the same shit, you just swap the deer for a horse.
>>81306825You're a retard or a total newb, people who still play WH do not give a single fuck what (nu)GW thinks, it has been a thing for years.
>>81306857They're a tough anvil but I wouldn't say they are OP. They are badly limited by still being Infantry so they only get 1 supporting attack, need 5 to a rank and they are vulnerable to killing blow. Of course they will never ever die with T5/W3/-1Hit/3+ save, but they'll also never kill anything and have the frontage of a horde.They are a slow, unwieldy tarpit unit, avoid them as best you can and if they do catch you, they probably won't fight their way out any time soon.Definitely better costed than Beasts of Nurgle.
>>81306866>>Longmas don't have wings, either.>Kong Anguo's Shujing commentary explains the longma.>A dragon horse is the [qi 氣] vital spirit of Heaven and Earth. As a being its shape consists of a horse's body, yet it has dragon scales. Therefore it is called 'dragon horse'. Its height is eight ch'ih five ts'un. A true dragon horse has wings at its sides and walks upon the water without sinking. If a holy man is on the throne it comes out of the midst of the Ming river, carrying a map on its back.
>>81306875First of all, they're liche priests. Secondly, no the mortuary cult did nothing wrong. They're the only reason Nehekhara managed to stabilize itself after what Nagash did. Thirdly, Nagash also did nothing wrong.So honestly, I blame Neferata.
>>81306902The best way to use them is by assaulting a building, as 10 of them can fight
>>81306882I play 6th/7th. Was really excited to have a supported game again and WtOW seemed great despite the first preview being a really bad Kislev take. Now with this it’s just obviously going to be bad. I love my minis but was hoping for some cool new shit to buy instead of just secondhand Middlehammer stuff. WtOW doesn’t look like it will deliver anything cool whatsoever at this point.What the fuck is GW thinking? It’s set near the time of Mordheim and we’re getting fucking Kislev and Cathay? Why are they doing this? Objectively they’re just being assholes at this point. I’m so despondent about this situation.
>>81306920>at this point.which is still so far ahead we haven't had a single glimpse of miniatures for bretonnians or the empire
>>81306920they know 90% of the Wtow playerbase is going to use their old minis and just buy the rulebook and 2-3 kit. They release new armies so atleast they can sold stuff.I mean, I already own enough stuff to play. I don't need to get the new state troops or the new wood elves. Nobody does. With Kislev and Cathay, I have an excuse to start and try a new army
>>81306941The fact that they’re putting any effort at all into Cathay and Kislev is stupid and a terrible sign for the game.
>>81306946>With Kislev and Cathay, I have an excuse to start and try a new armyFuck yourself commie. I hope we go to war with China just so GW’s shit decision to pander to them goes tits up and explodes in their face.
>Still no Ind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnwEZz3F-Ao
>>81306920>WtOW seemed great despite the first preview being a really bad Kislev takeYou're lying or quite dumb since Kislev was the only faction that was done in any depth in whcom article. The only other thing were the maps and if that made you think TOW is going to be great than I'm unable to understand your thought process.
>>81306948or maybe your impressions on a game and miniatures for a faction you haven't even seen are too hastily drawn from cheap promotional material for a videogame
>>81306946>I have an excuse to start and try a new armyconsooooom
I’ve heard 6th is more balanced than 8th. Is that why people still play 6th, or are there other reasons as well? I haven’t played either.
>>81306976>>81306980>drawn from cheap promotional material for a videogameThey’re literally concept art pieces in the same style as Kislev with a “Warhammer: The Old World” logo featured prominently on them.
>>81306984yes, you are right, I'm sorry, Wtow will live by us just getting the pdf rulebook and not suporting the game. It's not like fantasy battle died for this very reason last time.
normal people:>I can't wait to play as my favorite armies such as the Empire, Bretonnia and Tomb Kings in TOWGW:>AREN'T YOU EXCITED TO PLAY AS THE SLAV FUCKING SHITS AND CHINGCHONGS?
>>81306993not neccessarily more balanced but it avoided a lot of the horde and monster rules people hated in 8th and also the units are more low key and you can't expend so many points into singular units and death stars as in 8th. All the factions were pretty much at their most complete as forces to make fun fluffy lists.
>>81306857If you think that you're actually retarded. They're a garbage unit, they're slow, they don't have ranks, they don't have many attacks since second rank has 1 attack. You can take trolls for less points and they're gonna do much much more.
>>81306946>I don't need to get the new state troops or the new wood elves. Nobody does.Both Empire and WE ranges are gutted wrecks with WE having 2 boxes (none of which are even bowmen). I'm sure plenty of people would like to buy old cannon/mortar set if it was available or knights.
>>81306998GW would make bank just re-issuing old armies again. Instead we get:>>81307001Which is a based take. Fuck GW. I’m literally both sad and angry that after all of this time and requesting WFB we get bullshit that nobody wants. Fuck China. Evergrande is going to fuck their economy so badly that the pandering will be for nothing AND James Workshop has now destroyed all the good will they’d generated for WtOW.
>>81306998>Wtow will live by us just getting the pdf rulebook and not suporting the gameYou really can't get out of your "I NEED to support GW" box, do you?
>>81306993Winning in 6th requires manoeuvre, flanking and getting the charge. Armies tend towards MSU and infantrys only lifeline is +5 static resolution. Winning in 8th requires stacking magic on your deathstar of choice and gumming up the midfield with chaff to set up favourable trades. Infantry is dominant with monstrous cavalry doing some heavy lifting. It's been a long time since I played 6th but from memory the balance was still iffy. Bretonnia and Wood Elves were pretty hard to beat, plus Vampires and I think Skaven were top of the pile. High/Dark Elves, Ogres and Chaos were all pretty rubbish.
>>81306997yeah, cheap promotional material put together to convince secondaries that CA is totally being faithful to GW's original direction, because a great deal of their fanbase is very sensitive about CA not being faithfulyou can tell that concept work is nothing like a proper design exploration because way too adherent to the final rendition, with no variants or suggestionsit's literally just a quick sketch of what they had already made to pretend there's some planning ahead
>>81306998>It's not like fantasy battle died for this very reason last time.>blame players not GWGo fuck youself, you simping slave
>>81306993Play 7th with 6th edition army books like a man or don’t play at all.
>>81306993The core rulebook incentivizes good play. It incentivizes good movement, looking for flanks etc. Big deathstacks are disincentivized since a flank charge from a small fast cav unit can actually break them. Magic isn't as oppressive and game winning. Units have more varied roles, since only 1 rank attacks weapons such as 2hw or spears are much better and aren't straight up inferior to gws.
>>81306993Balance has nothing to do with it. The 6th army books objectively had the most unique army special rules.Tomb Kings had their own entire magic system, for example.
>>81307055I don't NEED to support GW, I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if the game dies once again, mostly because of GW's prices, and because not realising anything new or interesting would kill the game. Having new armies always bring some variety and interesting rules
>>81305840So can there be half-blood members of the Imperial family? Asking for a friend.
>>81307130>Having new armies always bring some variety and interesting rulesGay. We wanted WtOW to be 9th edition, not commie-pandering bullshit. Fuck China.
>>81307131she's matriarch of some ching-chong huan-gaan order or somethingprobably the dragon blooded martial artists that use yin yang magicso I guess yes, everyone knows dragons are sluts
>>81304013no. Perhaps in AoS, but discuss that shit in its containment general
>>813069938th has a few deathstars that are truly scary to face. A few of the factions (elves) are way decidedly more powerful than others. Steadfast rule gives infantry much more staying power by having more ranks, but its agreed that its a bit to strong. This gives infantry the edge in this edition, who were way weaker in 6th. In 8th Cav are weaker but still viable. The main negative of steadfast is that it increases the games model count increasing the barrier of entry. Some of the spells are really powerful. They are there to prevent deathstars, but a few of them scale too hard against some armies.The rules for cannons are very punishing for monsters. To add on to this lots of those monsters are also just plain garbage. GW seems to have though high T was enough of a defense. It was not. Monsters that are well designed are still pretty devastating. Overall, the balance is not that bad unless you are looking at the weakest vs the strongest book. Don't let the loud 6th people fool you, way way more people play 8th and there were plenty of problems with 6th. Besides being the most accessible, lots of people like the 8t edition rules changes and 6th just has a lot less options than 8th. This does means a tighter rule set. However, both editions are fine to play, its very much a do I like dark beer or am I more of a pilsner guy kind of thing.
>>81305382Probably not at launch where they want to concentrate on, well, the Old World. Later on (if it doesn't flop horribly), almost certainly.
>people disappointed by ToWTOW is not WHFB and it obviously was never going to be, you'd be less disappointed if you didn't get your hopes up for no reason.
>>81304013not to my knowledgesounds like something they would throw in his books though
>>81304113I'm going to overdose on soul
How do I go back?
>>81303535Eh, we still have the absolute hindu madness that is Ind at least.
>>81307367buy the old models or nice alternatives and play with your mates?
>>81307367start by making an army
>>81305740I'm usually not here, but I'm always available at the email at the top of the pastebins.
>>81307367There's nothing stopping you playing 6th edition. I own several armies so I can play with my friends. All they have to do is show up(and preferably bring some beer). Alternatively look up your local scene +6th edition on Facebook. There won't be a lot of people but you can get a game in with those that are looking. Or travel out to a tournament.
>>81303535a videogame is never the be-all-end-all of how something can be depictedthey haven't established anything that really stops creative input
>>81307469Anon that's not a picture from 6th. My best guess is 4th.
>>81307275thus far there's nothing to be disappointed in? Oh no they added two meme factions because they realised they aren't going to market a new release based on old plastic sprues from fantasy, what a shocker.
>>81303482Cathay is whatever. The problem is that it attracted chinaboos. And thats the worst possible thing that could happen to something you care about. Chinaboos, weaboos, wehraboos, you get what I'm saying. They're going to shit up the threads for the foreseeable future now.
>>81303103Jesus fucking Christ, the amount of butthurt not-chang has generated is embarrassing. They're not even in the TT game so stop having a fucking seizure.
>>81307506And why couldn't they market a game like that? There were a shitload of models that got discontinued when fantasy died and a shitload of people who want those models now. Instead of focusing on these factions, GW is wasting time on developing models for literal meme factions. Do you not see the problem?
>>81307494There better be a wingless version of the Kirin riders too.
>>81307522GW is dumb it turns outif you are just now learning this I'm sorry
>>81307535Don't think we've actually seen Kirin yet. Those things were Longma.
>>81307496It's 6th edition, the army comp is 6th edition Vampire Counts. Skirmish Ghouls mean it isn't 7th or later. The Dark Elf Kit used came out with 6th edition. Prior editions used these fine boys. also it's from WD 290
>>81307522how is it wasting time? Look on yt at nay of the videos they got a ton of likes and comments saying how pumped people are for the new factions, bear in mind TOW is going to launch off the back of TWW III it's good marketing to push unique factions not seen until that game on tabletop. Plenty of people will eat this shit up, MUH BEAR CAVALRY and 1546 or whenever is a fucking ancient meme in the community, and there's always been background noise about the unknown factions too. Look at the success of vampire coast for one thing.
>>81307584Because they're appealing to the retards who play the video game instead of the retards who are already invested in the tabletop game. Those comments you're referring to are written by people who only play the video game, anon. Also, popular does not equal good. Good marketing and appealing to newcomers is fine, but TOW is supposed to be GW accepting they fucked up when they killed Fantasy and trying to redeem themselves. In a show of good faith, they should focus on already established factions first.
>>81307618and the only people who whine against kislev and cathay like they're some crime against the west are the retards who never had models and never actually will
>>81307618Salty grogs who swore to never buy another model and don't understand the concept of showering are not a customer base
found some sepia
>>81307618>TOW is supposed to be GW accepting they fucked up and trying to redeem themselvesholy fuck anon this level of delusion is astronomical, I sincerely hope this isn't an actual mindset people are going into TOW with, there's gonna be suicides.
>>81307632>>81307633Well, I have models and I don't think focusing on Cathay and Kislev was a good idea at all. Why should an almost completely unexplored faction get focused on so much when several kits for the warriors of chaos aren't sold anymore? What about the tomb kings? They aren't available at all. What about half the dwarf range? Why does Cathay get to be the big thing when high elves and wood elves are, for the most part, gone?
>>81307618>but TOW is supposed to be GW accepting they fucked up when they killed Fantasy and trying to redeem themselves.anon, you need to be 18+ to post on 4chan
>>81307692they aren't focusing the old world on cathay, they're just talking about them as they get revealed for total war
>all this screaming about product>still cling rabidly to product screaming all the whileThanks for proving why GW is so successful, LCD oldfags. Seethe piss and moan while normies keep eating up the overpriced stuff gw churns out I guess. You're fucking delusional if you think tww3 won't continue slamming along like the last two, or that the average person will grind their teeth about not china and not russia getting models and rules.Honestly go play kings of war or something if you want to be the one controlling your play setting.
>>81307560Oh neat didn't know about those, that's another one to add to the mythological creature list.
Just ignore and report TOPS shitposters.
>>81307786I just want to play the game like I used to, anon. With more people. With different people. I don't want it to change more than it has to.
>anons mad that old fantasy china is more advanced than old fantasy europeit's almost like you guys forgot whf is a flanderized pastiche of history or something.Did you forget that we already have mummy egypt, turbo monarchist france, the holy roman empire with wizards, balkanoid vampires, mesoamerican lizards, and dwarfy dwarf dwarfs (with additional dwarftropes for flavor) already?
>>81307847Being cognizant of having no control over a corporate IP is the first step to realizing brand loyalty is a marketing tool for suckers and breaking freeLook around for available playgroups for other games and bring /yourdudes/.
The issue is that people intelligent enough and with the right attitude are very rare, look at all the morons on this board who care about support and automatically 'upgrade' to the newest edition. Or anybody who thinks new/popular= good.
>>81307890I'm all for fantasy china but it needs the dark elements to be interesting, it should be a tyrannical emperor presiding over millions of damned souls toiling in the fields or building/manning the great bastion. In the lore it is like a neccessary evil where unimaginable human sacrifice and suffering is expended to keep chaos from overrunning the world from the east.
>>81307890>anons mad that old fantasy china is more advanced than old fantasy europepulling strawmen out ou yer ass is not a substitute for an argument
>>81307786>Honestly go play kings of war or something if you want to be the one controlling your play setting.Or...just play WHFB (any edition) and don't give a fuck about current GW developments?
>>81308007bait somewhere else
>>81308007ah yes, because in the trailer, we didn't see hoards of cathayans working and marching to die enmasse while dragonlady watched and waited to lure Kairos
>>81308042>dragonladyvery rarely few first seconds determine the shittiness of the entire trailer. This one nailed it in that regard.
>>81307995The issue is that people intelligent enough and with the right attitude are very rare, look at all the morons on this board who care about support and automatically 'retreat' to a tighter level of the purity spiral. Or anybody who thinks new/popular= bad.
>>81308007weak b8 m8
>>81308007>In the lore it is like a neccessary evil where unimaginable human sacrifice and suffering is expended to keep chaos from overrunning the world from the east.mind posting that lore? or why you conveniently ignored that the dragons demand sacrifices?
>>81308080>and automatically 'retreat' to a tighter level of the purity spiral. Or anybody who thinks new/popular= bad.You either have no idea what you're talking about, troll or are dumb with shite taste.
>>81308026sure, go for it if you want. My go to was KoW because it's model agnostic and there's like a group of fifty people in my area that have moved to it over the last 6 years or so.>>81308013I saw at least a couple posts essentially complaining about them not just being a yellow horde of shmucks, and a lot of 'reeee china' which at this point is so common in its point I just assume it's running hand in hand with bitching about literally anything a china analogue has that is better than a setting's europe analogue.
>>81307001>AREN'T YOU EXCITED TO PLAY AS THE SLAV FUCKING SHITSI mean, yeah. Because I've always wanted a fully fleshed out Kislev army that I don't need to go scrounging to the empire to play properly.Also why are you acting like the Empire and Bretonnia aren't in TOW?
>>81308127I know exactly what I'm talking about and my taste > your tastecry some more for being called out
>>81308196He's bewildered that already existing factions aren't getting promo highlights to build hype for the early teaser stages of a new productBecause anon is bitter and retarded
What are you gay niggers even arguing about at this point?
>>81308284Honesty, I think people are arguing for the sake of arguing.
>>81308284Retards are shilling non thread relevant stuff. Ignore and report TOW shitposters until they make their own thread so we can talk about WHFB in peace.
but gw is going to sell tomb king models again, right? I want the TK with a shield and hand weapon.Oh. But they'd make it out of finecast, right? Nevermind...
>>81308326>but gw is going to sell tomb king models again, right?not for the old world in the foreseeable future>I want the TK with a shield and hand weapon.then use OPR or TTcombat models>But they'd make it out of finecast, rightGW hasn't been producing new things in finecast for a long time now
>>81308312>non thread relevant stuffyou mean your endless politics?
My problem with the Cathay reveal for TWWH isn't that it's ludicrously over the top to the point it might as well depict a new Age of Smegmar faction, because pretty much *all* the factions in TWWH are depicted in that ridiculous late 8th/End Times/AoS way.The issue is GW are driving the designs for it, and that means TOW is going to be a ridiculous over the top basically-AoS aesthetic as well. And that's going to bleed through into everything - the *one* thing that I'd permitted myself to feel optimistic about was the notion we might get some new WHF-set novels, but if we do they're going to be infested with this shit as well, with floating cities and wizards fucking everywhere etc. And worse still, all the "only official matters" consoomers and zoom-zooms who's only experience of the IP will have been TWWH and TOW are going to insist that this is what Warhammer Fantasy is, just another vacant ultra-high fantasy where muh goodies fight muh baddies with shoulderpads the size of fucking card doors.And before any of you contrarian shits start your "you control your own hobby just find a likeminded group" trash - obviously, but to find that group in the first place you'll now have to wade through an ocean of lukewarm piss, just like you already have to for specialist games, older editions, and any indie rulesets you want to try. And it gets fucking *tiring*, it would have been nice to go back to the default also being the thing I like.
So is Cathay going to basically be Warcraft's Pandaria?
>>81307033If a judge saw your posts in this thread that would be enough evidence to have you involuntarily committed.
>>81308444No, I don't want the OPR or 3d printed models. I want the ones GW used to sell, because I like how they look.
>>81308515Then you have shit taste.
>>81308572And you don't like warhammer models.
>>81308499>because pretty much *all* the factions in TWWH are depicted in that ridiculous late 8th/End Times/AoS way.they were depicted like that since 4th editiondo you remember man'o war?>novels that haven't even been announced yet>"only official matters" so you're whining about strawmen>obviously, but to find that group in the first place you'll now have to wade through an ocean of lukewarm pisslike it has always beenfuck off nogame faggot
I just do not understand why they were so uncreative.It is perfectly boring and generic.If you gave me 5 minutes I could come up with much more interesting and fitting units
>>81308577Great I love murdering women in my video games
>>81308499it's amazing what selective memory does to a coper
>>81308515then go with the recasts, aliexpress and yoyhammer are not hard to browse
total war three kingdoms is literally a much better, gruffer, grimmer looking Cathay
>>81308617because people wanted a grounded historical look for the infantry
>>81308600Yes, I only like good models, not badly proportioned warcraft rejects.
>>81308671And it still looks like shogun2 did but has removed all nuance. Shit game shit franchise shit hobby.
>>81308674they managed to make 1 good infantry design that is honestly too shiny and colourful but atleast mostly historically accuratethe fucking peasants having one studded shoulder pad SCREAMS of mobile chink tier wow
>>81308678Post these good models.
>Video game company shows off the more out there units to make it look cool for the consoomer crowd>GW shows that in fact the rank and file units are pretty basic bitch China-esque troops>People bitch that there are know basic rank and file dudes, despite GW showing artwork for them
>>81308701what do you enjoy in life, anon
>>81306425Wasn't the reason for him going full-on ballistic that he was trying to build a bridge over a river in the Moot, but a halfling family that owned a ferry kept sabotaging it? And that they couldn't be brought to justice due to a legal technicality?
>>81308725not what is happening fool
>>81308725I think you may have severely overestimated the average anon's capacity for observation and thought
>>81306502>Zhang Fei was an epitome of raging, violent retardWouldn't that be Lu Bu? Who's two defining traits are "super strong" and "will betray former employer/father figure if I get a better deal"? Would explain why Zhang Fei hated him
>>81308671oh boy, historical chineses for my fantasy universe, how cool!
>>81308764they couldnt even make most units look grounded, things like studded assymetric shoulder pads and the spearmen dressed in walking ornaments, so out there and too much imo,
>>81308781warhammer has literally always been milquetoast fantasy aesthetics plastered onto whatever culture they're riffing on, and studded tard armor has been a 'HEY GUYS LOOK AT THIS FANTASY ARMOR' hallmark since fucking gygaxYou're right about studs being retarded, but that isn't going to stop the generations of it being cemented into fantasy designs. You'd be better off pointing out that it's retarded to have so many female units when it was a rarity for even cheena
>>81308678>not badly proportioned warcraft rejects.GW's plastic tomb kings are notoriously badly proportioned though
>>81308781those 3 units will be the heart of any TT or tww cathay army. 2 of them look like straight out of a chinese hsitory book. The middle one is suposed to be your elite palace guards.For every weird, fantasy unit, you have 5 of these dudes
>>81308705>SCREAMSnot everyone has the same dumb voices in your head
>>81308764>my fantasyretard stop playing that "but it's fantasy" card again, if at this point you can't grasp WH aestethics and think it's jsut some random fantasy shit than better go back to your basement
ah yes, the human factions of warhammer
I could see them bringing out starter boxes that are one pre-existing army vs one new (or at least re-released) army, like Feast of Bones was in Age of Sigmar. Daemons vs Cathay, Brettonians vs O&G, Kislev vs Warriors, etc..
>>81308892one of these things is not like the others, one of these things doesn't belong
>>81308892One picture does not fit.
I geniunely felt like I was playing monster hunter world or a cutscene from final fantasy 15
>>81308912these look like a scarey undead legion formed from the remains of a once great civilization?
>>81308901>>81308911>center their culture around womenFucking bretonnians
>>81308915yeah, this shitty animu wizard whatever who does kunkfoo and metal shit erupts from earth.
>>81308892and this is how you try and adapt china into warhammer properly
>>81308953What about belthasar?
>>81308967>it's good because it's covered in nuln oil!
posting art that would have fit better and next to no one would be complaining
>>81308757Lu Bu was at least unanimously considered the best living warrior, that he was childlish, dumb and grreedy is another thing. Zhang Fei was just a brute and drunkard who was murdered by his own troops.
turns out china can fit in the existing old world if you dont turn saturation up, and make it a modern chinese wet dream of medieval china
>>81308984Balthasar Gelt is the Supreme Patriarch of the colleges of magic. And he's more grounded than the seemingly common wizards from Cathay shown so far.What does that say about the Cathay we have been shown?
>>81308984yes what about him?
>>81308967what's properly warhammer about it exactly?
In a better world Cathay is only known through intriguing scraps in the Ogres book
>It's ok for the 16th century germans to have eagle-headed monsters>It's ok for the 13th century french to have flying horses and holy grail knights>It's ok for the 15th century italians to have flying davinci mercenaries>How dare the chineses to have dragons and dragon helmets!
>>81309054>And he's more grounded than the seemingly common wizards from Cathay shown so far.how?
>>81309092You know that's not why people are mad.
>>81309087in a better world ogres wouldn't have been made into their own army
>>81309092not what is happening fool, you will miss the point on purpose!
>>81309092>How dare the chineses to have dragons and dragon helmets!retard, if that was only the flying dragon no one would give a fuck. stop being an idiot, all your posts in this threads are painfully obvious you shill
>>81309107are you blind or retarded?
the trailer leaned into the wrong elements of china
>>81309107He gains his powers through channeling the winds of magic, just like any other wizard. As such, he follows the established conventions of the world. The wind of magic he uses, as a human wizard who is part of the college of metal, is Chamon, the yellow wind. He is grounded because his powers are explained the same way any other wizard's powers can be explained.How do you explain the magical powers used by Cathay?
>>81309054because he's an alchemist, a gold wizard. Meanwhile, the amethyst wizards or jade wizards look like goofy fucks
>>81309124and yet you've been crying about the royal guard being too heavily ornamented in warhammer
>>81306608Modify the legs. They MUST be longer and thinner.
>>81309184a wizard that wore green robes, had a huge beard and summoned jade warriors and pillars to attack would have fit into warhammer perfectlythat isnt what we will get, it would be too racist
>>81309178>How do you explain the magical powers used by Cathay?How the fuck do we know, the faction is brand fucking new apart from less than 5 pages worth of lore
How can Khorne defeat ranged armies? Do you just spam chariots? Are skull cannons fast enough to manually dodge cannons?
>>81309124All itt is retards confusing a video game trailer with a future gw release
>>81309188I haven't posted anything about the armour anyone in Warhammer wears.>>81309207So you agree that as of right now, they do not make sense within the established conventions of the setting?
>>81309163neither, which is why I can tell you that a chinese wizard doesn't suddenly become less grounded if it starts weaving patterns in the air or summoning magical projections to cast a spell compared to an imperial wizard
>>81309178>How do you explain the magical powers used by Cathay?in the same way, why do you think they draw power differently? because they have a fancy name and branding to their own schools of magic?retard
I just found a company called watchful I studios who make great 28mm chinese ministhey would work great as cathay proxies, look better than what gw has madethey even do undead chinese etc.
>>81309184Do the amethyst and jade winds of magic let wizards do what Cathay has been shown to do? No.
>>81309260Watchfull is ok but you should check out Flying General Workshop. I use their stuff in 28mm for my chinklanders.
>>81309253Which winds of magic do they use? Do they use dhar? High magic? Do they have something similar to what tomb kings have, with precise incantations and rituals that call upon the powers of their gods?
>>81309232>they do not make sense within the established conventions of the setting?why wouldn't they? is there anything suggesting that they don't fit?do you also assume people don't breath the same way you do until they explicitly tell you they do?
>>81309237Why yes, he only does pirouettes, sommersaults and kung fu backflips while casting, exactly like every wizard in warhammer starting from teclis
>>81309263The only wizard we saw in the railed made some black goo attack from the ground. Meanwhile, you have jade spell that give you a bramble armor, or amethyst creating a giant purple orb.
>>81309263summon things from below the ground that kill their opponents? yes actually, in both lores
>>81309325Malifaux also has a shittone og chinstuff. But yeah, helldorado had great minis
how is gw so geniunely incompetent it makes me mad
>>81309356I had never heard of them, what happened?all the cool chinese minis out there that I like just reaffirms to me that the trailer had awful designs and terrible focus on what to show off.Shame, now I feel like a cathay army would be cool its going to be demystified completely and have nu gw models
>>81309323>>81309344>"wizard does magic and wizard does magic therefore wizards are the same and everything goes"I don't know if you fags really can't spot the difference ot just trolling
>>81309389All I see is a magic kung fu guy controlling a magic kung fu spell. Orc shaman dances to make their spells, night goblins OD on mushrooms and dwarfs make magic runes. Every faction have their own way to do magic. The Empire just bitched and asked the elves to help them. That's why their wizards are just dude in dress#56 waving a staff at the cloud
is the reason they didnt go full mystic long beard stuff and terracotta armies and jade statues because it would be classed as racist?
>>81309315>exactly like every wizard in warhammer starting from teclisexactly>wtf they're not jumping enough!
>>81309421They try to draw in weebs segment
>>81309421most male characters we saw had long beards, there are giant terracotta soldiers (and probably more to come) and there's a giant jade chariot
>>81309389there's no difference, anon, why are whining about fucking nothing, moving from one wrong assumption to another strawman in jumps worthy of a cathayan wizard
>>81309421no, it's because they wanted to keep part of the army grounded in historical verisimilitude, like the empire
>>81309475the stautes dont look terracottaI dont know bros, it just looks bad to meat that distance their infantry looks pretty good but theres just something about it that rubs me the wrong way, and I have nothing against chinese aesthetics even if I think japan has better onesmaybe in part its due to it all being so demystifiedthe trailer showed a lot of women doing stuff (this isnt a complaint idc) like the handshake and the flying balloons, it just felt silly but in a self serious way. It doesnt seem like that world can exist in the warham world.Idk it is supposed to feel different from the stuff we know but it also didnt feel mystic or mysterious or cool either to me
>>81309522that isnt my complaint, the magical stuff they showed felt very generic and basic and not at all like the coolest chinese myths and legends and stories
>>81309522If that was the case they've failed miserably
>>81309547well, they are designed in the 2020's. If GW made them back in 6th or 7th edition, there would be no women, long ching chong mustaches and jade-lion riders. But we're in CURRENT YEAR and MUST have strong women in our media, anon.
>>81309594having women as infantry is a sign of a dystopia, not a feminism prop piece
>>81309616but having them as army commanders, barge admirals and mixed with men in levies?
>>81309362explain in your own words how this design is different to the stuff shown for the average cathayan so far
>>81309568>>81309589make up your mind
>>81309631why cant women be commanders? they arent mentally weaker
>>81309594When did you first notice that you were failing at life?
>>81309635>female general>female chaff>modern cg art by trash artist
>>81309631>army commandersRoyalty. Like Katarin, or Khalida. Plus being a magical monster helps.The caster on the ground was a wizard. Like in the Empire, or High Elves, or Dark Elves, or Bretonnia where they have female wizards leading armies.>barge admiralsAdmirals? It's just a basic unit. >and mixed with men in levies?Ranged units are female, melee units are male, because ying and yang and shit.
>>81309673like a jew falling to get a coin
>>81309664when I saw my bastard son defending women on /wfg/. Tell your mom I miss her
>>81309697>Ranged units are female, melee units are male, because ying and yang and shit.
Wouldn’t it make more sense for Mordheim mercenary warbands to have unique colour schemes instead of premade ones, like, say, Altdorf?
>>81309732Just a pretty boy.
>>81309702Imagine living in such fear
>>81309645Space Wolves and codex astartes?
Instead of complaining with nothing else to it I made this image to show what I would do with Cathay.All we know about the land before now is that its mysterious, like china and open to make something cool.So I tried to make something I would find coolthoughts?
I just want Warhammer Cao Cao, is that much to ask GW?
>>81309787Imagine being that afraid to stand up to modern insanity and political corrrectness. Do you also wear rainbow pins as a safety sign so nobody calls you out?
>>81309893looks like it's more of the same, but without a specific direction
>>81307847Stuck in the past like a retard>>81308617No you wouldn't. Shut the fuck up and eat a dick. Those are just historical designs.
>>81309946I honestly am going to ask you to explain what you mean.There is clearly a direction. I will explain it.To fight Chaos invasions Cathay would rather use puppets and enchanted statues but sometimes real mens lifes are cheaper and nessacery. It has a real historical influence in the infantry, general and hero but goes much further into the mysticism with chinese witches and jade statues.How the fuck has what gw and ca made got a direction?It has>flying>guns>infantry>wizards>dragons >giant statues>air balloonswhats the flipping direction?
>>81309962change for change's sake is literal chaos corruption
>>81309697>Like in the Empire, or High Elves, or Dark Elves, or Bretonnia where they have female wizards leading armiescheck your facts retard, lord level mages represent powerful casters not generals who, you know, decide order of battle, attack plan, troop deployment etc.
>>81309998Learn how to properly spell shit before posting on here.
>>81310043you are obviously a gw shill or fanboy
>>81309998>air balloonsthis is one of the dumbest things of all.
>>81310025Lords lead armies on the TT. They are, in effect, generals. Do you know if the woman in the trailer has an official military rank? She just fucking stands there to cast spells.
>>81310025The only people who dislike Cathay are /pol/ retards. /tg/ likes female units, go to fucking /v/ and seethe. Trump lost, kill yourself trash.
>>81310061back to /aosg/
>>81310056Except China is known for it's ballons faggot.
>>81310061>/tg/ likes female units
>>81310078Except, you faggot, military use of hot air baloon in WH is fucking idiotic for obvious reasons. Take a day off to think about that.
>>81310078>china is known for it's baloons>posts french baloons as a prooftake one of these baloons fly highest you can and jump off without parachute
What is the best model of a dwarf hero with a pistol?
>>81309998>whats the flipping direction?defensive warfare, since the main feature of cathay is their wall, so the statues in the walls come to life, ranged and melee units only work efficiently when used in unison and there's lots of artilleryand they have also characterised the main ruling body of the nation as residing in their heaven, so they've also put part of the nation in the sky with floating cities, draconic mounts and chinese lanterns turned into hot air baloonsas a whole it ends up as a simpler, organic direction
>>81310245shill mate, they do literally everything, theres no fucking direction at allwhat good is a fucking wall when your enemy fucking flies
>>81310117>military use of hot air baloon in WH is fucking idiotic for obvious reasons.except when the dwarfs do it apparently, right?
>>81310260>theres no fucking direction at allI just told you the direction tho>what good is a fucking wall when your enemy fucking fliesI bet you think open borders are a good idea because illegals arrive by plane anyway, faggot
>>81310299they make their stuff sturdy
>>81308829GW's minis as a whole usually are. It's not even down to heroic scale as Oathmark and Reaper use it and they don't look horribly misshapen when next to any other manufacturer.
>>81309225Chariots and Skullcrushers are fucking dope broham. Warriors of Khorne with Halberds are also something you shouldn't dismiss out of hand. You got the armour to withstand most ranged attacks and magic can only do so much against you, especially with an obsidian item on a joining character.
>>81309170It doesn't seem unlikely that we'll get something like that aswell.
>>81309087 In a better world the demands of money wouldn't force IP to continually expand and drain every scrap of themselves into a flanderized disaster to wring out the most possible money, but we don't live in that world and usually people clap about living in it.
>>81309260They have some production issues. Still waiting for my terracotta dragon.
>>81310439yeah, in a better world warhammer wouldn't have been expanded beyond its first edition
>>81308892>No TileansNext time you hire mercs, it'll cost you extra
>>81309908>completely bought and sold by idpolcongrats for being the yin to a bluehair's yang, retard. It really does just become inconsequential if you log off and go out in public unless you're the kind of yin to feel peeved you get kicked out of restaurants for harassing customers and staff.>>81310056Are you retarded? Balloons were used heavily militarily, turning them into direct combat units is literally just classic warhammer flanderization. Go kiss a gyrocopter or something
>>81309041Aye, that's what he gets for mistreating his troops. Shame Lui Bei doesn't stick with the whole "we shall all share the samw date of death" as he promised in the peach garden. Guess he couldn't be "chivalrous" if he was dead
>>81309475>jezzails for chinkshonestly they should've just given the skaven some chinese clothing and armour and called it a day
>>81305999Polearms are two-handed in 6th, you don't get to use them and shields. Only the spears or hand weapons. Maybe it's different in 8th but Bretonnia is weaker there overall.
>>81305870I avoided them because of a lack of fancy armour, which was the more salient point, especially since I didn't see any backflips in the trailer, just shitty animation honestly
>>81305382they're floating the idea quietly to see how bad the reaction is vs how much money we can save by just double selling some work rather then doing more original work.