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Gangrape Edition

>Bans
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/february-15-2021-banned-and-restricted-announcement

CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES
>Current meta, complete with deck list
https://www.mtgtop8.com/
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/
https://aetherhub.com/Metagame/
>Build and share casual decks
https://deckstats.net/
http://tappedout.net/

CUBE RESOURCES
>Build and share cubes
https://www.cubetutor.com/
https://cubecobra.com/landing

CARD RESOURCES
>Search engines
https://gatherer.wizards.com/
https://scryfall.com/
https://mtg.wtf/
>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://www.makeplayingcards.com/
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM
>Play online for free
untap.in

>Previous
>>80393649

>TQ
Post cards you love winning with.
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>>80437063
Can someone please explain to me how this card is taking over pauper? Is it really that feasible to cast that many spells in a turn with only commons?
>t. Has never played the format before
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>>80437063
>TQ
Not that it happens very often these days or at all.
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>>80437108
There are tons of great cantrips, rituals, and even other storm cards in Pauper. The fact that the squirrels stick around (unlike, say, Grapeshot damage or something) just means that there's more time to go off again.
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>>80437108
For context, even this is on the pauper banlist
>>80437203
Grapeshot is also on the pauper banlist
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>>80437253
>Grapeshot is also on the pauper banlist
Yeah--which makes this even dumber.
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>>80437063
>TQ
You haven't lived until you cast three burn spells off the top of your opponent's deck while masturbating with his hand
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>>80437108
Manamorphose is a common, as are a bunch of rituals. Plus you don't need to necessarily storm to 20, since just flooding the board is often enough to win against a lot of decks. First Day of Class turns all your squirrels into hasty 2/2s and loots away a dead draw to boot, which means you only need to storm to 10 to win on the spot. If you don't manage to find Chatterstorm when you're storming off, you can cast pic related as a back up and almost certainly be able to storm off the next turn.
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>>80437063
>TQ
the best part is that some people don't really undestand how it works so they think that if they remove it in response of the activation they might live
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Keep those eyes to yourself, anon. She's spoken for.
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>>80437348
Yes, but Grapeshot isn't in a set that's currently available for sale at retailers everywhere :^)
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>>80437570
>during your next turn
Gross. Should’ve said “until the end of your next turn”
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>>80438485
that would be banworthy in a lot of places
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>>80438485

That would make Necropotence look like dogshit.
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>>80438553
But Red is underpowered so it would be balanced :^)
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>>80437570
hey, wotc can actually still write neat flavor text
who woulda thought
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>>80437187
I want to cast this in response to Weather the Storm. I think I’d cum.
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>>80438698

back. go back and stay back.
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>>80437832
Ability goes on the stack how could anyone make a mistake like that?
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>>80437832
Is Belcher unplayable in modern post Simian? Can MDFC make a list that isn't utter trash or at least not more trash than old versions.
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>>80437362
Ragavan is good design. Prove me wrong.
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>>80440340
WotC clearly agrees, since they throw cantrips and lotus petals onto fucking anything these days. Combining the two is the height of card design.
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>be artist commissioned by wotc to draw card art
>draw white person
>AD: "No, make her browner."
>give her a shitty looking tan and hastily make her nose less euro
>AD: "No I meant the fairies"
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Anyone got that pic of that set of m20 Duress altered with bdsm stuff?
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>>80440958
HOLY FUCK LOL
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>>80439883
I only play on MTGO, there's a lot of people there that don't really have a good grasp on how the stack works.

>>80440054
>Is Belcher unplayable in modern post Simian? Can MDFC make a list that isn't utter trash or at least not more trash than old versions.
nah, the deck is fine even after the ban.
it stopped putting up results on MTGO because Recross the Paths is bugged, it doesn't let you stack your deck like it should and WotC has not fixed it yet.

but theres a new build running around that seems to have potential (pic related, second 5-0 result), it ditches Reforge the Soul + Recross the Paths to play cards that generate treasures and Indomitable Creativity as copies 5~8 of Belcher.

I don't think this version is better than the Reforge one but at least this one works as intended on MTGO.
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Is this a good card? Can I have this be a finisher in a UR control list or do I need to build most of my deck around it?
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>>80441311
>doesn't do anything when you cast it
>6 mana
>requires you to play a bunch of garbage afterwards
>has no redundancy
yeah it's shite capn
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>I see you've decided to attend the FNM Royale's un-set day, Mr. Bond. I cast Ashnod's Coupon and sacrifice it, targeting you. Now, go get me a drink if you would.
>I see you're back, Mr. Bond. I see also that you failed to notice in time the six Cheatyfaces snuck into play.
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>>80441311
It's a powerful effect, but 6 mana is a lot for the sort of spellslinger decks that could get the most use out of it. It'd be awkward in a control deck. Shark Typhoon is better as a control finisher.
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>>80441311
No, it's pretty bad. Shark Tornado is a much better blue enchantment finisher for 6 CMC.

Thousand-Year Storm has an inherent shitty design where it costs 6 mana and then wants you to cast a bunch of spells AFTER you play it. That's not a great idea for a finisher or a card that costs so much mana. You'll often not have tons of cards in hand after casting it.
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>>80441079
What's the list look like with Recross the Paths?
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>>80440958
sides status: ORBIT
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I'll just repost this once in fresh thread to see if anyone else cares to share their thoughts, last thread had some useful comments.
So my friend had this neat kind of format or whole game idea based on how the Shandalar video game was.
The idea is that you play an RPG in the vein of DnD. You start with some class deck (or some other starter deck) and go as a party to explore the world facing encounters and acquiring new cards. All encounters would be handled through playing magic. You'd earn cards or gold from encounters and go to different towns to acquire different cards (maybe increase stats through some system) and become stronger as you go on.
The idea appealed to me because you could really make use of otherwise terrible cards. A skeleton encounter could have all the regenerating skeletons that otherwise do nothing in constructed but in this context the party might need to prepare beforehand and find some Incinerates or Wrath of Gods to combat the regeneration.
Card acquisition is the obvious limitation but I'd imagine one would run this almost like a cube where the DM has sets of cards, such as starter decks, encounter decks, and shopkeeper card pools.
If you guys gave any ideas or feedback (ignoring card acquisition for now) I'm all ears. I'll probably develop some prototype to play with some friends soon.
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help me remove one card from my stupid lifegain durdle deck ive been slowly upgrading since seventh grade, they all have sentimental value and i can't pick
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>>80443254
im retarded
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>>80440340
I honestly can't. Stealing from opponent's libraries is a mechanic that should absolutely be in red, never made sense that it was a blue/black thing, and it being a 1 drop creature isn't a bad thing either, it dies to everything because lol 1 toughness and it only brings shock-level damage to the field, nobody runs shock. Here's the thing, all decks should be running at least a playset of 1 drop creatures, ideally more. It's called mana curve, if you don't have anything to block Ragavan, on turn 2, then what the fuck are you doing?
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Does /nedh/ like Pioneer? Personally, it's my favorite 60-card constructed format, even though I enjoy Modern (and sometimes Legacy/Vintage)
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>>80441311
It's an edh spellslinger bait. And it does wonder making the timmy stormoids ejaculate on themselves there.
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Is this rule change any good: if you draw 3 straight lands, you can call it a draw IF the next card you draw is a land, but if it's not a land you get a loss. If it's a draw, you don't get to mulligan the next game. This applies in game 1 and only in 2 if you have already won game 1.
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>>80437108
Every time a card that even resembles a storm payoff is legal, it is an oppressive deck. All of the best cantrips and rituals are common.
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>learning storm
>punt constantly and playing slow
>everyone encourages me when going off and sits through it

why is mtgo so based?
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>>80443998

>people are nice
>it's the game
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I’ve built a pauper deck and need a sideboard card against Boogle, because someone is playing him at my LGS and the deck is just annoying. How is pic related against the deck? Im trying to play abzan slivers if you have a better sideboard card please tell me
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>>80441311
if it's not good enough in cube, it's not good enough for any constructed format
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>>80443246
Far too much maintenance and prep for a dm. Let alone players.
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>>80444528
It wouldn't be a $20 card if it could not fit anywhere.
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>>80437063
TQ
+ Sudden Shock
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>>80443753
Preventing mana screw isnt really possible in current state of the game. If it is possible to abuse it, it will be.
For me the best way was the scry 1 few years back
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>>80444742
have perhaps never heard of commander, or bitterblossom ? Pure memes & price memory are a thing
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>>80441470
kek
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>>80444742
but it *is* played nowhere
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>>80437362
dangerously based
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>>80440958
>it's real
mfw
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>play basic forests, islands, mountains for 9 turns in a row
>Domri, Anarch of Bolas
>next turn, +1 Domri, play Riku of Two Reflections
>next turn cast Cyclonic Rift Overloaded, pay BR to copy it
this works, right?
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>>80443246
I tried this once and the result is basically what>>80444609 said. I don't want to talk you out of it because in theory it would be brilliant. It semi-works in the videogame but even if you'd have 25 preconstructed decks to cover most encounters thematically, there's still bosses, multiple people in a fight, of course the balancing issues because fucking multiplayer mtg and noone has the time to finetune that shit, some decks being better than others because they ignore the opponent's gameplan, mana screw/flood etc etc

I love shandalar, but even the game which doesn't have the limitations that come with physical cards; scarcity, fiddlyness etc. was fucking broken. Like, bolt moxen and ancestral were in a game where 3 mana 2/2 vanillas were playable.
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>>80445110
Actually, I think you could just do Domri into Kederekt Leviathan, which survives the two Elesh Norns and accomplishes Cyclonic Rift effect sooner
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>>80445110
How about boseiju and upheaval
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>>80445110
>Here is the scenario:

I don't care about it, and I certainly don't like it. Fuck these dumb sudoku puzzles.
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>>80445175
Back to basics in play
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>>80445175
Cant pay life. ffs
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>>80445110
how do you resolve domri?
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>>80445183
thanks for the response
>>80445221
Yeah I just thought of this. I think Sphinx of the Final Word into Cyclonic Rift works, right?
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>>80445110
Sphinx of the Final Word + worldfire
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>>80445281
would't the several elesh norn tokens created by progenitor mimic kill the sphinx?
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>>80444425
Welcome to the Bone Zone. Also consider Celestial Flare, Holy Light, and Echoing Calm. Scorn is likely best for Slivers if you run enough white cards (you should have around 12-16) while Celestial Flare is very mana intensive so you probably want to avoid it. Echoing Calm is a nice middle ground but dead in other matchups same as Scorn while Holy Light is a good flex against a lot of decks but only valid against a slow bogles player.
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>>80445110
Discard Radiant Solar to enter the Tomb of Annihilation gets the life down to zero but I can't think of a way to deal with the Platinum Angel right now.
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>>80445412
Going to consider getting Scorn since i have 15 white creatures, how is Circle of Protection: Green against Boogle as sliver? I thought that i always have a lot of mana with the gemhide sliver and so i would never get really demolished by it, but getting rid of the enchantments with scorn looks good too. And Circle of Protection: Green could be used against an elf deck someone often plays
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Any purchases you ended up regretting/never finding a use for? How about anything you're eyeing but haven't been able to justify to yourself yet? For me ass trophy is the latter. I don't have a BG deck but when I do I'll finally pull the trigger on some trophies.
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>>80445558
If you have an Elves player then 100% run some form of removal like Electrickery or Holy Light which will slaughter the deck easily, a simple circle does nothing against such a wide board. Against bogles it would work and might be better than the other options but I have never tested it myself. If they run any enchantment removal themselves they can completely blow you out so be wary if you do. Meanwhile you can play Scorn during combat to immediately destroy all auras and then block the 1/1 to gain a massive advantage.
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>>80441596
like this
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>>80445636
You said abzan not naya, I'm retarded. Suffocating Fumes is great along with Shrivel against elves. You also have the new Sudden Edict which is great but weak to plant tokens which Bogles is running a few now to fight against UB Delver.
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>>80441420
*Hits you with 3 volcanic hammers* you get hit by 7 hammers total for 21 damage*

Sure .....I just killed you for 6 mana (twelve technically)
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>>80443315
Waiting for my galvanoth to play my death bellow roar for free.....alternatively using windbrisknheights to play it for 1 white mana.

Nothing quite says fuck you like summoning 4 minotaurs and then sethron shits out 4 more ontop of that. But I only play kitchen magic. I dont have a lgs within 75 miles of where I live.....I fucking hate it.
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>>80445412
patrician taste
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Let me know where you anons ended up, haven't seen this posted in a coon's age.
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>>80438875
>they cast another Weather the Storm in response
Imagine their o-face.
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>>80445110
Not possible unless we're playing commander. Its pretty amusing that someone solved this and they had to meddling mage genesis hydra to keep the meme alive.
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>>80446055
Oops All Spells
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>>80437108
>spam 1 and 0 mana spells
>generate huge storm count
>play chatterstorm
>dump an entire deckbox worth of squirrel tokens on the table
>give them all +1/+1 so they dodge electrickery, give them haste too because why not
>swing with them all and look at the opponent in the eyes saying " Are you gonna block bitch ass faggot?"
>win and loot the lgs

>chatterstorm
>in a format where empty the warrens and grapeshot are banned
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>>80445925
But Sudden Edict is not pauper legal sadly
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>>80443704
>pioneer

Ummm sweetie, it's pronounced "discount historic"
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>>80446055
BR reanimator
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>>80446248
I don't play Pauper but holy shit is this terrible. I'm sorry for you Pauperbros ;_;
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>>80443704
>Does /nedh/ like Pioneer?
I do, mostly because I can play stuff that's been pushed out of Modern power-level wise like Green Stompy or Black Aggro and it's because it's considerably cheaper to get decks, both online and in paper

>>80446492
Historic and Pioneer are completely different formats, Historic is digital exclusive, has "suspensions" and WotC puts random cards into it whenenver they feel like it. Pioneer is Standard Plus.
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>>80445110
Hmm. You can start off with that Leyline that makes your creatures uncounterable in play. The problem is that all the Elesh Norn copies will kill your creatures as soon as you play them. Is there some way I can cheat out two Rules Lawyers simultaneously, so that neither of them will be killed by the Elesh Norn clones? If you can, it'd open things up quite a bit.
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>>80446055
painter
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>>80443246
Literally everyone everywhere has had that idea. RPG, you start with a shit deck based on what your class is, loot comes in the form of new cards, etc.

It'll never catch on because Magic players aren't interested. They want to play what they're comfortable with. Magic players are not hobbyists, they're just stupid lazy whales.
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>>80446248
I love how 4 mana Empty is banned, but 2 mana Empty is somehow fine. It's like if Wizards dropped the mana cost of Harmonize to 1G then wondered why the game was getting fucked up.
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>>80445110
What is the point of creating an impossible problem based on magic that does not even follow the flow or rules of the game. It's like telling someone they have to drive from New York City to Los Angeles by themselves without stopping going no less than 100 miles at all times. Creating impossible problems is not hard to do or clever. Children do it all the time to trick their friends.
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>>80446741
You start with no hand.
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>>80446854
Not only that, but creating it, having it get solved, then having to add another stipulation to say "Haha you can't cast that card anymore, now I've really gotcha."
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>>80446822
It should be noted empty makes twice as many tokens, and is definitely the better card.
That doesn't mean baby empty shouldn't also be banned
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>>80446901
Holy shit, is that why Genesis Hydra is called out? Someone spent time making that, crafting all the stipulations, and still fucking it up and getting it solved? Fucking kek. Why not just make it super impossible? Add a finite number of copies of Meddling Mage equal to the number of non-land cards in cards in Magic. An impossible problem that is not clever or interesting.
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>>80446822
>>80447046
>inb4 they print F.I.R.E.ctrickery that deals 2 damage instead of 1
>IMPLYING THEY FUCKING WOULDN'T ACTUALLY DO IT
Screenshot my post, see you guys in 2022.
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>>80446273
I'm retarded, thought this was a common. Guess just plain ol' Diabolic Edict or Chainer's Edict it is.
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>>80445110
lel at genesis hydra salt
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>>80447059
There are lots of ways to get around being unable to cast spells. The rest of that mess is all the stuff that's necessary to shut off the ways that exist so far but as soon as WotC prints a card that allows you to discard a card (without cycling specifically) or cast a spell to untap something it'll get solved again instantly by untapping Boseiju and any way of cheating even a 1 cmc noncreature permanent into play will break it in five different ways.
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>>80447321
Boseiju would not work, as you are required to pay life. Cavern naming leviathan is a similar exercise though, where you need a way to untap a land.
I'm pretty sure this is impossible looking through scryfall, but it's stupid specifically because of that meddling mage.
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>>80447470
Platinum angel stops you. Keep it simple - hydra into kederekt leviathan into pass turn.
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>>80447374
chandra awakened inferno would be close to winning if it could exile with -3
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>>80447531
Don't forget their creatures are very large due to several copies of elesh norn at that point.
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>>80447558
well it needs to be on cast trigger or an uncounterable spell, otherwise Helix Pinnacle just wins. Luckilly with fire we should get a new medding mage in the picture soon, with a dose of saltblast
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>>80447755
I see why he added commander - Genesis Zone also wins this. Legal in Legacy. We done here?
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>>80447755
Helix pinnacle? It still wouldn't beat their board if you got it into play.
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>>80447059
>Why not just make it super impossible?
If you really want to get super impossible you only need Maralen of the Mornsong, Mindlock Orb, and Platinum Angel.
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>>80447755
Platinum angel stops helix pinnacle from winning.
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>>80447046
Not to mention that empty was banned long before first day of class was printed. Back in the day you had to either wait a turn to win or be playing goblin war strike.
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>>80447915
The other one is more "given every card in magic (except genesis hydra), can you beat the lock". It's not the most interesting, especially because of the hydra stipulation, but it's at least a thought exercise
This one is "can you beat me when you get literally nothing", which could not be less interesting.
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How badly positioned is hardened scales right now?
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>>80448126
it's playable right now since saga is good
Not anything amazing though, and the prevalence of archmage charm is a bit hard for it
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>>80445110
does tabernacle work? it gives the creatures the abilities, so would it get around sigarda?
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>>80448265
update: tabernacle oracle text says destroy, not sacrifice, so it's blocked by avacyn
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>>80448126
Urza's Saga gave it a second wind, but it's mostly in the same place where it was before MH2:
it does well against decks that durdle/can't effectively deal with your creatures which is most control and creature based decks
it does poorly against decks filled to the brim with cheap removal and combo decks which is most of what is popular right now

>>80448172
Archmage Charm isn't really the type of thing that keeps Scales from being good, it's a 3 cmc spell, by the time they cast it you should be able to sacrifice whatever it is they're trying to steal
the prevalance of Lava Dart/Unholy Heat/Bolt/Terminate is much more concerning for the deck
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>>80445110
>well Mr. Bond, I see you brought the used to die to Genesis Hydra copypasta deck today
>no matter, I've brought my stack of Ice Age basics, and four nonland cards, all legal in Legacy, I trust you have no complaints?
>good, of course all good games of Magic start at 20 life, so that's where I'll start
>then I'll begin with Leyline of Lifeforce in play, I trust your cards are beginning the game in play and thus not triggering any ETBs, yes Mr. Bond?
>then on my turn, I'll play a Snow-Covered Plains tapped, and pass the turn
>on my second turn I'll play a Snow-Covered Mountain tapped, and discard Radiant Solar to its ability
>haha, choosing to enter the Tomb of Annihilation will surely bring us closer to the end, I'll go to 20 life and you will go to 0
>oh of course Mr. Bond, I am well aware that you cannot lose the game with Platinum Angel in play
>on my third turn, I will cast Dockside Extortionist, creating 13 tapped treasures tokens if my count is correct, and pass the turn
>and finally, during my fourth turn, I will cast Furnace Dragon, sacrificing a treasure and tapping my Snow-Covered Mountain
>as Platinum Angel is now exiled, I believe you have lost the game Mr. Bond

>I take it we will not be needing a game two, so if you would sign the slip I will go hand this to the judge
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>>80448590
I like how in your scenario where you start with leyline, your strategy still doesn't work as described since you can't sac treasures.
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>>80448743
You can sac treasures, Angel of J only stops you from sacrificing creatures.
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>>80448590
Just barely doesn't work, but great catch on Tomb of Annihation. Topdeck 4 islands and 3 plains, play Sphinx of the Final Word, play Council's Judgement exiling Platinum Angel, then venture into the Tomb.
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>>80448893
Sphinx gets like -14/-14 at that point
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>>80448743
>treasures are not creatures Mr. Bond, you did read the correct Sigarda, did you not?
>and hold on, allow for me to get a drink and call for a judge
>yes it seems the pre-game declaration of no permanents on the battlefield is overridden by Leyline of Lifeforce's effect per rule 101.1
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>>80445110
Just play the tabernacle at pendrell vale, it's unaffected by sigarda.
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>>80448866
>>80448998
yeah, i misread angel of jubilation. I still don't know how you get the leyline in play, since you start with no hand.
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>>80448381
>>80448172
Damn, what autistic decks are still playable? Hardened scales soothed my 'tism back in the day.
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>>80449029
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>>80448340
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>>80448912
Good god this is a shitshow problem. Only available cards are self discard effects like Channel, reveal effects like Forecast, uncounterable cards, and cast triggers. None of which can remove Platinum Angel which is the real way to win as your opponent decks out every turn. So cheat a Council's Judgment in somehow and all is right.
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>>80449049
>Damn, what autistic decks are still playable?
whats your definition of autistic? I see Scales as an aggro-combo deck since you're basically playing a bunch of creatures that grow exponentially
you'd probably like Hammertime if you liked Scales and Hammertime is pretty damn good right now
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>>80446055
Alluren
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>>80449267
Puzzling through it and doing scales math was a lot of fun. It was also aggressive enough that you weren't just doing nothing when disrupted.
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>>80449049
amulet
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>>80449267
Also while hammerstone looks sweet, it's not really what I'm looking for. The food decks look interesting, but I liked BG food for than the Urza/emry build. Playing cat oven and feasting troll king in modern seems hilarious.
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>>80449349
Based scales bro, I play it in Pooineer. Do you want more or less interaction if you built another deck?
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>>80445110
1) Progenitor Mimic dies as a state based action.
2) Play [basic] lands for however long you want
3) Play Altered Ego copying Elesh Norn
4) Do this 3 more times
5) Do pretty much anything you want
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>>80450055
Actually I made an error. Progenitor Mimic survives as a 3/3 shapeshifter with no abilities. The difference in my scenario is negligible however.
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>>80450055
Mirror Gallery bitch
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>>80440958
Do they actually think that black people will play the game more if there are more black people in the art?

They know blacks don't give a fuck about dorky shit like magic and it's just annoying virtue signaling right?
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>>80450154
Clones don't see things that enter the battlefield at the same time as they do. Clone has no legal creature that it can become a copy of.
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>>80450204
They're not entering the battlefield, they're already on the battlefield. Otherwise erayo couldn't be flipped
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>>80450219
Oh, so you're saying that the progenitor was already on the battlefield and thus could not have chosen something 'as it entered the battlefield' because it never entered?
"All twenty permanents below at the start of the game" means that:
1) Pre-game effects start
2) All 20 permanents are put into play
If you want to change your situation to:
"The stated rules of Magic: The Gathering no longer apply" then by all means do so, but unless you say "I had a Progenitor Mimic enter the battlefield after Elesh Norn entered the battlefield and selected Elesh Norn for its ability" you cannot play it.
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>>80450268

autistic anon btfo by not understanding etb
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>>80445110
Think I got it. Inventor's fair, inventor's fair, artifact land, artifact land, artifact land so I don't die to purphoros. Play a shitload of lands, start forecasting skyscribing and casting emrakul's to take infinite turns while drawing multiple cards a turn. Eventually start casting massive altered egos copying Elesh Norn every turn until I have enough Norn's kill all their creatures, then simply attack for lethal.
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>>80450942
Your own life total is unimportant. You can have nigh infinite life. Stranglehold stops you from gaining extra turns as well.
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>>80449504
I'm not entirely sure, I'm just getting back into modern. I like interaction when it's good, I saw some scales lists playing prismatic ending. How is scales in pioneer after the ballista ban?
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>>80448126
not great, hell it's arguably worse than regular affinity now, which is a fucking accomplishment
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>>80448340

WE NEED A TABERNACLE THAT EXILES, ANONS
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Going to a bigger local modern tournament this weekend.

Should I play:
>UW Spirits
>Blitz
>Gifts Storm
?
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>>80453420
The answer is always Spirits
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LOL
Hasbro has been exposed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwN8NFRLpo8
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>>80451493
Modern scales is in a bit of a bind now as >>80452594 said, but the meta is a bit fucked up because of MH2 and all. Nowadays it seems like Scales needs new colors after Zabaz, Esper Sentinel, Prismatic ending, and even Ingenious Smith. Pioneer's variant plays like a totally different deck ever since Ballista got banned, but there's still enough power to make it playable. I run mine with a few choice energy cards in my Abzan Scales blend (Glint-Sleeve Siphoner, Bristling Hydra, Attune with Aether, Aether Hub, and Winding Constrictor), you just have to find some replacements for Ballista and include more removal (Voracious Hydra for instance). There's a variety of "correct" options at every part of the mana curve, so feel free to experiment a little. This is my list [[tinyurl /jhpnr38k]] and a series of other lists that might give you inspiration [[tinyurl /38sdy8bd]].
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Anyone like to make decks with very few cards with 4 copies in them? I feel like it makes playing a bit more unpredictable and fun with variety. Then again I haven't played mtg in a long time so I'm probably full of shit
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For the NYC Neutral Ground anon, this is the YouTube video I was thinking of - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XKeNWiqFws

As for why it closed, I can tell you what I know. A decade ago (after NG closed) a buddy of mine wanted to open a game store, and we bought lunch for a former NG employee to pick his brain about NG's pitfalls. The answer was, essentially, "mismanagement." The guy described the owner as an excitable nerd who would order pallets of new stuff he liked - stuff that ended up not selling and taking up storage space. The owner was hands-off, and the two managers he hired were of the "corporate" kind - with college degrees and expectations of sitting in an office on their computers all day. The guy we bought lunch had worked as a "floor" manager on-and-off between other gigs (maybe 6 months to a year at a time). Basically, with him in the store, there was a manager on duty, theft went down, employees were working, store ran. When he left, management was hands off, and affairs took a dive. Owner would ask him to come back, he'd straighten things out, then leave for another gig - and the cycle would restart.

Eventually NG's rent went up too much and they moved to West 37th, which resembled pre-Guiliani era Times Square. In theory there was more space, because they had the ground floor, 2nd floor, and the basement. There were problems from the start - the basement, for example, was always closed and inaccessible. The guy I talked to wasn't invited to "save" the new location, so he couldn't say what other issues were in play, but it was probably more of the same. My personal gaming circle simply stopped going into Manhattan, and I heard of NG shutting down second hand.
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I like this card a lot, its been pretty nice in all non green decks.
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>>80454062
Zabaz is very weirdly positioned, I ended up cutting it completely after trying multiple variations in modern
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>>80445634
Probably FoNs. The only blue deck I play is fish and it feels like a waste to have such an expsnive/good card with all this chaff.
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>>80445634
Over the course of five years I put probably $1000 into what was originally a $20 budget EDH deck. By the time I was finished, there was nothing fun about EDH.
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>>80450171
bruh you don't know anything about black nerds, they eat this shit up like chicken and waffles.
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>>80440958
All that time "fixing" her and they didn't even touch the fucked up headstock.
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>>80450171
Black nerds LOVE fantasy stuff. D&D, MtG, anime/manga, Skyrim, Dark Souls, they live for magic, swords, dragons, and badasses.

What they don’t care about (or didn’t, until media brainwashed them that they should care) was what race/weight the badasses were. But of course there was money involved and bad ethics to cover up; come hither, dear Blackface…
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Why aren't Atog, Chatterstorm, and Galvanic Relay banned yet? I just want to play Soul Sisters in Pauper.
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>>80454251
Yeah, I love EDH.
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>>80454251
I miss the old "land go" control decks that played a swath of different permission spells and like 3-4 singular wincons.
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>>80456907
Now Counterspell isn't even seeing play even though it was just added to modern. Good old counterspell is pretty embarrassing when your opponent goes turn 1 monke or Swiftspear.
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>>80456907
I have a version of that deck for Premodern--37 counters/cantrips and a Morphling. Very fun.
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>>80456942
I just try to force it in standard.
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Looking for a joke pic I saw once where someone concocted a MtG hand that would enable them to exile their entire deck, hand, and graveyard from the game turn 1
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>>80440958

Card name (for inspiration): Phyrexian McNiggerator
Setting: American Phyrexia
Color: Artifact Creature
Location: Exterior or Interior, roaming about
Action: Show us a giant whirlwind of blades primarily dedicated to the constant gibbing of niggers and nigger accessories. Maybe the giant whirlwind can be spinning through a Rent-A-Center, wreaking havoc on the nigger denizens inside. Maybe it could be whirling menacingly through a welfare line, exploding the niggers therein into a fine bloody mist. Maybe it could be organizing a large pile of niggers into a carefully-curated Nigger Menagerie.

Focus: Coonery Buffoonery
Mood: This entity had to be created to avoid ensoulled beings actually having to come into direct contact with moon crickets.
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>>80450171
>Do they actually think that black people will play the game more if there are more black people in the art?
Yes. They are delusional.
>>80456243
>bruh you don't know anything about black nerds
>>80456673
>Black nerds LOVE fantasy stuff.
Black nerds already play the game. Black nerds don't care if the characters in European-style fantasy look like them. White nerds don't care if the characters in Asian-style fantasy look like them.
The recent decision to darken the skin of fantasy characters is inspired by the misguided belief that minorities and women are almost absent from the hobby because there aren't characters that they visually identify with. In reality, the opposite is true. There are few minority or women characters because minorities and women rarely play the game.
For the same reasons that American movies have traditionally had white casts, the product was filled with white men and sexy women to appeal to its nerd audience, which is overwhelmingly white and male. If minorities and women were into card games to a remotely similar degree, they would have been similarly represented already.
And it's not like there weren't already badass black or female characters in MTG. The internet acts like white men are allergic to representation for questioning it after 20+ years and only when it's inorganic and politically-motivated.
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>>80457522
You ignored the second half of my post but then made a long rant that agreed with and expanded upon what I said.
I mean, A+ for the analysis but shit man, don’t act like we’re dumbasses.
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>>80457797
kek
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I know you fags use life as a resource more often than not, but has lifegain (incidental or not) ever helped you win a game of Magic? Of course, assume that dedicated lifegain decks don't count.
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>>80458462
yes.
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>>80458462
yes - incidental lifegain is actually quite powerful. Dedicated lifegain is what is poor.
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>>80458462
Lifegain definitely matters. It isn't worth spending cards on but when you have a card like Uro, it definitely helps the card to be even better and it DOES occasionally make the difference between winning and losing.
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I've mostly been playing cube and battle boxes I've made to keep power levels consistent and not have to rely on people to bring or have decks. I have a couple of modern decks but want to do either a ~540 modern cube or 8-10 premade decks. Which would be a better option? I like the thought of having decks ready to go with the box, or doing what Jumpstart did with bones of decks to combine
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>>80459175
depends. Cube is much better with a big group, but if all you have is a couple mates at a given time the premade decks will be much better.
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Anyone use a rental service on MTGO? I've been thinking about Chadhoarder, I tried them out, but I'm not really sure how much a reasonable limit in conjunction with if it's worth buying into MTGO in some amount.

>>80453840
damn kids are wild

this well spoken black man has me thinking this far right org is right and makes me uncomfortable
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>>80437063
>book of exalted deeds
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>>80460405
OOF
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>>80450171
>>80457522
As your resident black nerd. I can tell you I enjoyed the game without all the pandering and only play for the "competitive card game" whatever thw rmeans nowadays but I do enjoy having access to more black character art work in a fantasy setting for my other hobbies.
I genuinely like kaya and her aesthetic.
The problem with your logic here though, in reverse. If black nerds don't care about seeing black characters then why do white nerds care so much?
If it really hurts your feelings to see others represented then maybe it makes others feel good to see themselves represented.
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>>80457522
No. Media and forms of entertainment were literally cancelled for daring to go against the norm back in the day.
See dnds own history. Cancel culture and representation go hand in hand.
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>>80460570
>If black nerds don't care about seeing black characters then why do white nerds care so much?
I'm being genocided by the jews and that stupid stuck up bitch Tammy who laughed at my mixtape and said I was ugly
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>>80460570
>The problem with your logic here though, in reverse. If black nerds don't care about seeing black characters then why do white nerds care so much
Because the company is pandering to a different group, now. As the original group pandered to, why wouldn't I care?
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>>80460982
The company is pandering to multiple groups now. Are there heroic white males on cards and attractive white women?
Seems to me you just have a problem with any other group being pandered to. As if you are some kind of special little snowflake.
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>>80458462
Plenty of times ive cast Lurrus just to get the lifegain so I can by an additional turn to turn the tide. That probably says more about how aggressive I play with fetches and shocks though. Ever since GDS I've cared very little for my life total.
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>>80453840
This is hasbro hiring the cheapest and easiest to find training programme.
Essentially it's just an excuse they can point to when one of their own ends up on a twitter video calling someone a nigger.
I've worked within incredibly racist institutes that still use shitty half assed training videos. The goal isn't to teach. It's so they don't have to be held accountable.
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>>80461502
Perhaps I just feel that le quirky smol black girl scholar with glasses and afro or the negress with a half-shaved head and purple hair challenge the verisimilitude of the art.
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>>80460570
>I genuinely like kaya and her aesthetic.
shiteater.
I am tired of forced "diversity", last thing I would want would be to have someone "like me", a pathetic caricature on a fucking card.
>>80461582
Doesn't change anything. Your assumption is wrong but even if it wasn't it wouldn't excuse them.
Why would you even debate their intentions? Who cares?
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>>80460570
>I genuinely like kaya and her aesthetic.
strong independent sassy womyn with afro who needed a diversity consultant?
you might be a black nerd, but your taste a shit
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>>80457338
fucking loled
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>>80462189
I know you thought it was funny when you wrote it but replying to your own post is kinda cringe.
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So I'm building a Ravnica Cube because I've wanted to and because I'm writing a Ravnica D&D campaign for my friends so playing the Cube with them could be a fun way to get them in-tune with the setting. Since I've wanted to include a lot of the named characters I've noticed that my amount of Rares and Mythics are becoming pretty high. Is maintaining a "proper" rarity distribution in a Cube a big deal or can it be ignored if card balance is moderately decent?
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Is Valki viable as 1-2off ? As the rare fatty(tibalt )? Or is his snatch ability too bad, because opp will always get the card back once Valki dies or whatever?
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Anyone got the Financefrog specs from MH2?
I keep wondering why circle of dreams druid is like 3,50 euros when it looks like prime edh bait. I know it's no rofellos but that didn't stop shit cards from being getting expensive thanks to trannies

Also more chiffre like I promised like a week ago
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>>80463195
>Is Valki viable as 1-2off?
depends where you are putting him
Bring to Light decks can get away with running 1-2 because they can cast Tibalt for 5 mana but that's pretty much it

I've never seen a deck run Valki with the intention of playing it for 2 mana or 7 mana for Tibalt fairly in Modern
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>>80461682
>>80461963
She usually looks like a ghetto rat but pic related is cute.
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>>80461614
The problem with pandering to other groups now is the way they're doing. All too condescending and reaching for the lowest hanging fruit, Zimone being the worst example. If there were legitimately well written and designed black characters no reasonable person would complain, but they don't want to work on a proper Mirage 2.0 - Return to Jamuraa, they just want easy social points by shoving generic affirmative action characters into the sets.
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>>80463379
This is the thing. I fucking hate in-your-face-diversity. Look how this character is a minority, yet it does act normal! Look how normal this is! Noone ever cared about teferi being black because he was a character that just happened to be black. Minorities and supposedly oppressed groups like females are constantly infantilized and stripped of all responsibilities because muh oppression. I imagine if you are black and successful, everyone thinks it's thanks to some diversity hire and box checking. If you aren't, you can easily victimize yourself by just going by the popular narrative. Surely, this will stop racism, right? Utterly idiotic.

As a sidenote, Kaya is a shit character for the same reason most of the gatewatch faggots are shit characters; bad, juvenile and lazy writing to make people look badass and cool. Which, interestingly enough, leads to people insulting the character and not the writing. ALso imagine hiring a diversity consultant for a character only to produce a fucking mary sue. You might argue about the whole banking system of ravnica apparently collapsing but (1) few people read the novels because they are young-adult level of cringe and (2) it never appears in the bigger narrative; the game itself

>>80463085
Oh, you can utterly ignore it if the power balance is halfway decent. Which might prove difficult, but I suppose ravnica is a good set for this as the higher rarity cards are as usual very powerful in a limited environment but thanks to good fixing, most people will have access to them and not just pass them whilst shaking their head in disgust.
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>>80460570
>I genuinely like Kaya and her aesthetic.
and now I know you are neither black nor a nerd.
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>>80463961
>hand over your melanin
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>>80449482
I think everyone moved off green for food decks, correct me if I'm wrong.
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What is the best deckbox for double sleeved 60+ cards
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>>80463990
If there's one thing a black man hates, it's a sassy don'tneednoman black woman. If you can find a brotha that legit likes that annoying Mary Shaniqua, you've found a unicorn
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>>80466565
partial to Satin Towers myslef.
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>>80466565
Single deckbox or a set of them? Ultimate Guard Monolith/UP Satin Tower are basically the best all-round cheap deck cases with dice trays, if you just want card storage try the UG Boulder. There's a number of high quality cases out on the market, but these two come to mind first because they're 10 bucks a pop and everything you need to safely store one deck.
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>>80466565
Ultimate guard deck case if you're a normal person.
Ultra pro satin tower if you want to show you like a lot the god's chosen people.
Ultimate guard bouder if you have decks to store (especially if you are a cummander troon), stay away from the vegan ones though since they have a funny build quality and it's not confirmed if they last or if they dissolve or wear with time.
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>>80456377
I mean, old lutes did have headstocks with huge break angles, at least he put enough tuning keys for the string My autistic pet-peeve is when string instruments don't have enough strings or tuning keys/pegs, I'm sorry
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>>80460405
Your cuticle is fucked bro
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>>80460570
Silly jotc employee, black people don't like black people
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>>80466565
Ultimate Guard boulder + one of their xenoskin boxes.
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Can any old fags teach a 22-yr old elder zoomer about Legacy and Vintage? I hear that they play more like Yu-Gi-Oh than Magic, is that true?
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>>80468701
vintage yes, legacy no. Legacy tends to be one of the fairest formats in terms of fair versus unfair, since answers are so strong and you have an incredible cantrip suite.
Legacy does have the problem that it's mostly blue soup decks, but some people like that.
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>>80466565

I use one of these. It's a wood dex box lined with suede so it absorbs humidity to help deal with your cards curling.
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>cyberpunk kamigawa is real
thanks I hate it
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>>80467337
The issue isn't with the break angle--obviously for a lute that's fine--it's that the headstock is basically two-dimensional when it should be a proper peg box. Not only that, even though he's got enough tuners for his strings, the strings are basically adhered to the neck/headstock and don't actually lead to the tuners. So, sure, he's got enough strings for their tuners, but he has no idea how strings even work.
Now, I know nobody gives a shit, but still. Just imagine being an artist working for one of the biggest companies in the world, not looking for a reference, and having said company not give a shit about your bad art because they're more concerned with the ideological gang signs they want to send out.
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Does anyone here have a favorite twiddle list? Or should I just go by whatever's doing well on mtgdecks?
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>>80466565
Gamegenic makes the best boxes hands down
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>>80447258
Pyroclasm in pauper when
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>>80469291
Actually, you're right Stringbro, I didn't look at it too thoroughly.

That's a fucking shame, I can't get properly looking instruments outside anime, and anime is supposed to be a cost-cutting artform
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>>80470696
All they had to do was learn from the artists that came before them.
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>>80467426
Silly American. American blacks don't like black people.
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>>80471315
>Implying I'm american
Nigga, we got hatians up the ass in my country and they fucking hate haitians
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>>80470114
This is the list I use, the cantrips and Inquisitions are flex slots for your sideboard. Ad Nauseam comes in to replace the Past in Flames if against a slow deck likely to board in grave hate. Wishclaw Talisman makes the deck slightly slower than mono blue when trying to go off on turn 3 (from extensive personal testing) but your chance to go off on turn 4 is extremely likely. The slight trade off is worth it for the consistency. Plus you can always waste a Twiddle to tap down a big beater if you feel threatened.
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>>80470114
>>80471557
I forgot to mention, if you are buying this deck then please don't bother with Force of Negation unless you are proxying. Run anything else. They cost more than the rest of the deck combined. I am just testing it out as the sideboard is pretty bare bones with Defense Grid, bounce spell (in the main already), and Ad Nauseam being the only real staples.
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>>80471557
These Twiddlestorm decks look based.
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>>80471557
Do you find the deck lags without fetches? I have some chinamans I wouldn't mind running
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I dont even play competitively and just like buying cards i visually like,should i wait until the price drops or is this gonna just get more expensive as time goes on? or are just magic cards THAT expensive in general? this is going for 35$
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>>80471315
>>80471392
I their point is that americanised blacks hate other blacks to an extreme degree.
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>>80471774
Oh, I gotcha now then
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>>80471557
Can you explain to me slowly, as if I were some kind of idiot, how this deck wins?
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>>80471746
I think this might drop in price, it's the boring FOTM commander stuff that keeps it at that, if you wait a year or two it'll go down, this set is less powerful than Kaldheim so I'd wait even a year before picking it up (I'm collecting the Kaldheim alt arts and it has been the right call so far)
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>>80471825
With Lotus Field on board, untap it with one of your myriad untap effects to generate more mana, cantrip, flashback/escape, repeat (thereby building a storm count) and finish your opponent off with Grapeshot
>t. Gifts storm player who likes Baral too much
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>>80471865
Thanks anon
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>>80471727
If I see another fucking fetch land in a Twiddle deck on mtgtop8 I will go berserk. DO YOU NOT SEE THOSE SERUM VISIONS THOSE SLEIGHT OF HANDS THOSE GOD DAMNED PEER THROUGH DEPTHS. You are constantly filling up the bottom of your deck with useless lands before you combo off. The extra cards in your grave to feed Underworld Breach are completely unnecessary especially considering the fact Lotus Field already does that for you. We run Lonely Sandbar explicitly because it reduces our land count. Hell, a copy or two of Faithless Looting were great as well before it ate a ban. It was the biggest argument for running UR Twiddle before Wishclaw came around. Don't overcomplicate the most efficient budget deck in modern and don't think you need a better manabase. Your mana is not a problem. The number of fucking retards I have had ask if I ran Darkslickslick Shores for the Ad Nauseam in the side, or where my red mana was to cast Past In Flames can suck a barrel of a shotgun.
Sorry for the rant but please think before typing shit like that. If a deck doesn't run fetch lands there is probably a damn good reason behind it, so analyze or test a deck first before offering advice. Nothing worse than a backseat gamer who has never played before.
Also I have tested fetchlands in other Underworld Breach storm decks (Dirty Kitty), they did work in there because of how creature heavy it is and how difficult it was to get mana. Twiddle has neither of these problems, more so if you run 8 twiddles like I do. Some argue 6-7, I find 8 is best when you run Ad Nauseam and Wishclaw as initial mana is your biggest limiter to your combo.
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>>80471911
I remember when I saw UR Gifts splashing green for veil of summer (snore) with a playset of scaldings and mistys, it was so fucking bland and bad
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>>80471911

For my money, serum visions is the worst card in modern storm and I have been wanting to try Curate in that slot
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>>80469150
get ready for gay half-shaved cyberninjas
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>>80472040

if ub ninjas becomes modern playable then everything is fine. we just need a dimir twink at oko powerlevels.
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>DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE LMAO
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>>80472615
{T}, Sacrifice Bong Lotus: Add three marijuana of any one strain.
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>>80472729

Add shahrazad's text to simulate time dilation
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>>80472615
Shockingly based. Nerd stoners are kings.
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MPC came through today. Here's the haul. As usual, the MEGA link: https://mega.nz/folder/XWo2AQYZ#Y4S6_xZ1OqdDKKTMPuUjUw
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>>80473275
I feel hatred but I'm still amused
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been trying to play BG Food with just Nettlecysts and Karn, Scion of Urza but I lag behind people running the actual best Karnstruct producer

I can't bring myself to buy it, I just know it in my heart, it will get banned sooner or later and I don't want to go through the same thing I did with Mox Opal.
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anyone play vintage here? are survival based decks viable it doesnt seem like any have done well recently in the meta.
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>>80474335
I sorta keep up with Vintage (on MTGO) and I have not seen Survival decks in a while, people either play pure Bazaar decks like Dredge/HollowVine or go the Hogaak route
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>>80473275
What do you do with these? Are they novelty cards that someone sells? I’d buy if they’re a fair price.
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>>80475018
Not him, but there are custom proxy services that will print pretty much anything you want them to.
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>>80475029

booba edits of my favorite waifus?
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>>80474193
Life from the loam is good tech to replay saga.
But I get what you are saying. The GB deck is a lot of fun, I played it a bit on xmage and really wanted to buy the deck as I had most pieces and it would be about $75 to get the deck even though most cards are new.
But I ended not doing it and just build lantern instead.
Lantern uses the karnstructs as another bridge plus they find the lock pieces.
Great card for the deck and makes me want to play magic again.
I really hope they don't ban it, having a busted land is fine. There are many counterplays and it doesn't win the game super fast.
If we assume someone could get 10 artifacts in play by turn 3 and still activate the land, it wouldn't be more than a turn 4 win. And getting that many artifacts in play is already difficult. Affinity was a faster deck back when that was a thing and this is only one card.
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>>80475018
I give out some of the jokey hahas at FNM (they're double-sided with actually playable cards) and I fill out my cube and EDH decks with everything else.
If you want to print them yourself, take a look at the MEGA link I posted and the text files in it where I explain how you can print proxies yourself with MakePlayingCards.

>>80475718
That's *this* MEGA: https://mega.nz/folder/DWBRwIpK#CLilq5z0hPY6iDfgsCu3sQ
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>>80476316

Danke
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Can this be a real win condition or is it just bad? I like the idea of it a lot but it seems like almost literally the slowest card ever
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>>80478605
Standard?
Hell yea.
Pioneer?
Good enough.
Commander?
Maybe.
Limited?
It depends.
Modern?
You better have a plan to make that work boy.
Legacy&Vintage?
I have abolutely no idea.
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>>80475949
based lantern chad

>>80478605
it's actually one of the most common wincons of Lotus Combo in Pioneer, you put it in your sideboard so when you have a ton of mana you just Wish for it and cast it twice by using either Dig Through Time or a bunch of card draw.

If you're talking about casting it fairly in a UW Control shell, I believe it's just too slow for Modern. Although I think you can get away with it in Pioneer, the format is slow enough for that.
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>>80478675
Yeah I was basically wondering about a finisher in a control shell. I guess I might try it out anyways but it's probably just gonna end up being pic related for me
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>>80445110
Ok how about this:
Play cavern of soul naming Dragon
Play basic mountain until you can cast Furnace Dragon makin ituncounterable by cavern of souls
Furnace dragon etb resolve, exiling all artifact so Mirror Gallery. Legend rule applies again so every Elesh Norn copies are sacrificed
Then use Guildmage forum to cas Vexing shusher so it arrives with a +1/+1 counter on it and doesn't die to the -2/-2 from Elesh Norn
Next turn cast Apocalypse and use Vexing shusher ability to make the spell uncounterable
And then play anything that can deal one damage to face like mountain+bolt.
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>>80479308
Frozen aether and Back to basics means every nonbasic enters tapped and won't untap.
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>>80474193
What's your list? BG food is neat and I opened a playset of sagas from the box I opened.
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Could you break a 4 mana artifact that says something like "4, tap, sac: take infinite turns. You can't cast spells, tap permanents, or gain life for the rest of the game."
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>>80446055
Stacks
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>>80479372
Okay so instead of cavern of soul I start the game with Leyline of lifeforce into play and instead of Guildmages' Forun I use Renata.
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>>80446055
last i did this i got 4 horsemen. i dont see it here but i stand by the chart
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>>80479750
You dont start with a hand so leylines dont work.
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>>80479856
Ok, we play with a chess clock.Because he needs to go through all of his trigger I win because of the clock.
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>>80437063
>3 day threads
>even after all the other non-edh formats have been invited
yikes This place is dying.
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>>80479965
too busy playing paper and mtgo.
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>>80479618
You'd simply need a card that mills/damages on upkeep or some alt win condition like lab maniac
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>>80479965
I think it's because the format is finally starting to stabilze around the new and expensive cards:
Hammertime, Urza's Kitchen and Amulet depend a lot on Urza's Saga
BR Monkey (Lurrus Rakdos) and UR Murktide depend a lot on Ragavan/Murktide
WB Stoneblade, Living End, Crashing Footfalls and 5c Elementals depend on the free Elementals

basically a lot of the most powerful decks at the moment need cards from MH2 in order to compete, that's not a very good place to be for a "non-rotating format"
of course people are still playing Tron, Mill, Burn, Ponza etc, they just aren't winning
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>>80479618
sure, with epic spells basically
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Why is it red, /nedh/?
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>>80473275
thanks anon, I'm always a fan of these
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>>80481332
can't let blue have all the fun
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Anyone plays vintage here?
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>>80481332
Play a card within a limited period of time is red.
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>>80476316
remind me of my old LGS' owner, he gave everyone who attended the MH1 modern brew party a bunch of prismatic vista art cards to use as proxies
Still have mine somewhere
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Serious question: what does /nedh/ feel about a paper Artisan format? All commons and uncommons. There is serious power in uncommons like Bloodraid, Path, interesting lands, and too many to count. MtG doesn't need more formats but Artisan would be interesting to see.
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do you guys think the forgotten realms cards will increase in price over time for collectors?
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>>80482701
>what does /nedh/ feel about a paper Artisan format?
you mean Pauper + all the uncommons? Is that what you're thinking?
>There is serious power in uncommons like Bloodraid, Path
If my previous assumption of what you said is correct, I don't think you quite understand the consequences of what you're asking here: Plow would be legal, Bazaar would be legal, Ancient Tomb would be legal, Skullclamp would be legal, Dread Return would be legal, Force of Will would be legal, Counterbalance + Top would be legal the list goes on and on.

even after banning every single one of these cards that managed to prove themselves broken in this format, you'd still end up with something very similar to Legacy but with a worse manabase and less wincons

if you want to play it with your friends with the cards you have, go for it, but making it an official sanctioned format like Pauper would take a lot of effort for a very small payoff
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>>80481332
Calling your opponent a pussy and playing whatever the hell you want to, but being wasteful and hasty about it, is very red.
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>>80483173
Alright what I'd you put a cap at it. Say modern legal sets. Sure there is alot of dumb shit at uncommon and below but that's kind of the fun of it. Pauper 'was' called legacy lite but slower. Doesn't seem that bad. Naturally problem cards would need to be hit but that's the name of the game for non-rotating formats.

Pauper is brokedick atm and every other format is ruled by by chase rares and mythics which is also ass.
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>>80482701
You need a limitation on where the format starts or else it turns into combo degeneracy. Otherwise an Artisan/Peasant format is a great way to play magic as it gets rid of all the degenerate designs that have taken over rares. There are a few mechanics that the format desperately needs: a lack of good board wipes and anthem effects are missing. Uncommons have a slew of fantastic removal and there have always been good creatures so it ends up as a midrange and aggro paradise.
>modern card pool
>ban all storm
>ban astrolabe
>ban probe
>ban delver
>ban clamp
>ban misstep
This should be fine for an opening to the format. Cruise and DRC might also needs bans but the lack of fetches means both take a nosedive in power. Cycling might also be a problem, fuck Ikoria
>>80483173
I forgot about top, might want to off this one too though the lack of fetches hurt it a lot as well.
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>>80483420
Honestly with the good spot removal I don't see Delver being an issue but your right on the board wipes. Everything is 2 damage or -2/-2 or dumping mana into X.

In retrospect would need a cut off like modern or somewhere close. Peasant would be dope for paper but the problem would be pricing right? Not sure how Peasant works.
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>>80483515
I meant penny dreadful but peasant also seems cool. Maybe bump the uncommon count from 5 to 10 or 12.
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>>80483380
>>80483420
>Modern card pool
I could get behind that but you gotta admit it doesn't sounf very marketable to say "play this format for the same reasons you'd play Pauper, but this format isn't currently a dumpster fire"
I think "Modern, but actually cheap and affordable" would work tho
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>>80482701
Try premodern
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>>80482041
I am once I buy my wastelands online
every deck I want to play in vintage has them
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So new Innistrad is just going to be Eldraine but with Halloween instead of fairy tales.
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>>80487192
This transition, which is also mirrored by realms beyond or whatever, is not only because they want money from crossovers.
It is also because they have realized their writers and "worldbuilders" they have now are so grossly untalented and unmotivated that borrowing from existing IPs and pointing to some familiar thing is the only way to have people interested in the world.
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>>80487192
Do you look forward to Thalia getting a sidecut and a girlfriend?
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>>80487321
Not as much as I look forward to rotting in a mass grave.
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>>80487321

You HAD my curiosity.
NOW you have my attention.
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>>80487298
>borrowing from existing IPs and pointing to some familiar thing is the only way to have people interested in the world.
We're returning to where Magic started, the new era of SOVL is upon us.
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>>80487321
Thalia won't even appear in the main set, instead being relegated to the Orzhov commander deck with her gf.
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>>80487192
Are you new? It has always been Halloween. It's a gothic horror themed plane. What do you think modern Halloween is? On right it's summer time.
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>>80487521
I honestly refuse to believe anyone actually likes sidecuts on women. It's so shitty looking.
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>>80488337
50% of the cards will have jack-o-lanterns in them.
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>>80473269
>stinky lazy bums are kings
Nah
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Pls r8 my Modern GW Modular deck that I'm brewing
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>>80488895
no graft or modular land?

and not that too many lists use it these days; but i always have a soft spot for a single ancient stirringss
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>>80443246
I’ve been working on a similar concept anon, as well as a couple simplified versions of it but I’ll be honest, I have yet to get it anywhere close to the ballpark of ‘enjoyable’.
Nowadays if my playgroup wants to play a super random durdly type game we’ll mash up 2 or 3 of archenemy, planechase, or EoI.


Balance is really hard, and one of the frustrating things we encountered is the lack of balance in Shandalar often led to fun blowouts or relegated the PC to grinding or fighting the RNG to overcome, while in paper lack of balance very rarely leaves people excited to continue playing
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>>80488948
Power Depot, Llanowar Reborn both come in tapped which could be bad but then again Power Depot helps fix for Zabaz, Esper Sentinel which I didn't think about





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