Affinity Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/february-15-2021-banned-and-restricted-announcementCONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listhttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/https://aetherhub.com/Metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/http://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share cubeshttps://www.cubetutor.com/https://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://gatherer.wizards.com/https://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freeuntap.in>Previous>>79713388>TQThoughts on Affinity being a deck again? Are you ready to play with it/against it?
>TQI have nearly all the stuff for Hardened Scales except for the fact that I sold my Ravagers, so I'm wondering if it's worth buying a playset again and then well, getting Urza's Sagas.
Hopefully it will stick around in Legacy. I'd like to play Affinity there and not feel bad for doing so. Deck seems really good. Got a lot of tools. It's good for Modern/Legacy for Affinity to be a deck.
>TQ Yeah I play twiddle and that's a pretty good matchup. I think it's cool though, affinity is a cool deck. Arcbound Ravager is one of my favorite creatures.
>>79730201>Yeah I play twiddle
>>79730266Yeah I was playing gifts until I realized twiddle is better and easier to play. It's a super fun deck.
Hollow Bros, is there anything worth trying in MH2? Could we make people smell what this rock is cookin from The Underworld Cookbook and Assmorondicklicker?
>>79730313Gifts Ungiven is my favorite card and any time I see some retard struggle to pilot Gifts Storm, I put a notch on my belt and now my pants won't stay up.
>>79730058Affinity will probably survive the urza's saga ban, so we're fine.
>>79730439My favorite is giving someone a gifts pile and they choose the to give me the only cards that let me win on the spot. It just sucks you have to play creatures in gifts.
>>79730444>/mmg/ 2 weeks ago: ephemerate will be banned>/mmg/ this week: urza's saga will be bannedwhat's the next prediction gonna be, mishra's bauble?
>>79730574i don't care if anything gets bannedit just seems like the game is going to get so much more boring with all these free answers and "Made directly for the format" cards.
>>79730574I mean 2 weeks ago was just speculationthe set is out on MTGO, people are jamming Urza's Saga in literally anything that even remotely cares about arifact production and doing very well with it
>>79730423It already broke modern dummy.
>>79730574>people changed their opinions after playing with the cardsHoly shit you're truly enlightenedAlso grief is uniquely bad right now because the best threat in the format can't be hit by it (aforementioned urza's saga).
>>79730574To be honest, I'm surprised Mishra's Bauble hasn't already gotten caught in the crossfire at some point over the years.
>>79730612>people are jamming Urza's Saga in literally anything that even remotely cares about arifact productionHell, they're jamming it in everything. I think I saw a 5-0 list that had Urza and Urza's Saga and no other artifacts, just a bunch of control spells.
I thought Ragavan was supposed to be the thing we were concerned aboutnow it's Urza's Saganext week who knows
>>79730621bauble is the only interesting cantrip in modern, it'd be a shame if it was banned
>>79730680there are just too many retarded cards in this set to keep track of them all
>>79730680Ravagan is worrisome in Legacy, not Modern
>>79729914How bad is it right now, boys?
>>79728168Don't worry MaRo, I'm from the future. Go back to counting your sheckels.
>>79730574Urza’s Saga was predicted to be busted the moment it was spoiled in the first place.
>>79730574Only absolute brainlets thought Grief + Ephemerate was actually good, let alone ban worthy.
>>79729914does ouphe hose nuffinity?
>>79731211living end with grief is pretty miserable. no one liked sylvan anthem except the elves players.
>>79731238>living endPsst nothin personnel kid
>>79730742For Urza's Saga and the Hell's Kitchen package? Threat level Uro right now, escalation is still possible. For Living Grief, Phoenix-level threat, but there's literally usable countermeasures within the same set.
>>79731216Depends on their build and number of artifact lands. It doesn't hose Nettlecyst (due to Living Weapon) and Urza's Saga and those really big bombs in the deck.
>Recently got back into Magic. This is how my mom decided to decorate for my 34th birthday ... Yes those are cards stuck to the window.Why is reddit like this?
>>79731211Grief + Ephemerate is OK but it's not nearly banworthy. Overloading on discard effects isn't that great honestly and makes your topdecks garbage. It also missess the best card in the set too which is pottery, considering everyone was sperging out over Grief. Not just here but "pros" like Ari Lax were saying the same thing, kek.
good news bros, I think I found a Storm deck to play once Chatterstorm gets bannedthe combo is simply ramping up to Serpentine Curve + Fling for lethal, the catch here is that Galvanic Relay lets you impulse draw a bunch of cards on your next turn and Serpentine Curve counts instant/sorceries both in graveyard AND exile so you can keep exiling your deck and making the Snake bigger rather than smallerthere are some neat synergies between the arcane spells letting me set up for the combo turn, for example I don't care if I discard my hand to Ideas Unbound if I get a storm count high enough for a Galvanic Relayit's obviously not nearly as good as Chatterstorm Combo and this is my very first draft of the deck, I'm just happy to play with a card that has Storm in it in Pauper
>>79731381Grief + Ephemerate would be OK in a meta full of fast combos that you need to defuse completely T1, it's shit on its own.
>>79730574>people are great at determining power within a vacuum, but frequently fall flat on judging performance in a format environment>the format environment is getting played and decks adapt to the presence of new and powerful cards, with some cards having a larger breakout than othersPottery. Should you ever have expected something else?
>>79731498>but frequently fall flat on judging performance in a format environmentBecause most people here don't play the format. They goldfish at most, you can immediately tell by how they only address either the best or worst scenarios for new cards, never the overall performance.
>>79731381I kinda figured, just like Unmask Grief's only really good in unfair decks with a lot of black.Solitude otoh seems bonkers in control decks, and I think Fury will become a solid sideboard card.
This is true.Time spent posting here is time that could have been spent playing the format.It's just that Modern was so shifty a while back, we decided that shitposting about it was much more fun than actually playing it.
>>79731315Urza's Saga is getting to Oko levels of "jam it in every deck lmao". How long until we start seeing burn and blitz with Urza's Saga and bauble?
>Trade a ton of commander staples for Amulet Titan>Field of the dead gets banned and it immediately becomes shit tierWhat keeps you lads going?
>>79731667>What keeps you lads going?Knowing that one day the world and what it has become will burn.
>>79731652Be the change you want to see in the world. Or don't. That way you don't have to play burn.
>>79730574Lurrus will eat a ban after Saga.The writing is on the wall.
>>79731493I agree anon. And even in that scenario it's not like that is that much better than just casting Thoughtseize or Duress or something.>>79731555Even in Legacy the only deck that even wants Unmask is Reanimator because you can target yourself and the card disadvantage doesn't matter with Griselbrand.I agree, Solitude is awesome and Fury is a really strong SB card. Card is busted as fuck if you ever hardcast it, a walking, double-striking Pyrokinesis.
>>79731667I usually play limited and only buy/keep cards I think are cool.It keeps me nice and chill since I rarely need/want to follow card prices.
>>79731493>>79731381I don't get it. Isn't T1 Grief + Ephemerate enough to cripple you for the rest of the game? You'd be pretty wrecked if your best 3 cards in your opening hand instantly got deleted, you'll be counting on topdeck hopium to carry you the rest of the game.
>>79731729It's normally a game-winning combo, but right now the best threat in the format is a land and can't be hit by it.
>>79731599>Time spent posting here is time that could have been spent playing the format.Not if you don't already have a MTGO account! I've never tried MTGO and I don't feel too good about dropping $500 on a modern deck from scratch
>>79731704>after Sagaso, never?
>>79729914>TQI'm glad to see an affinity deck with actual affinity cards see play. Might built it at some point, though I'm wary of a Saga ban.
>>79731729It's obviously utterly broken. Essentially a turn 1 4 for 1. But because its *that* time again it probably won't be banned until the first two or three other broken decks get hit.
>>79731729A 3/2 Menace isn't really that scary anon. This is a similar situation to Mind Twist. People always think about how spoopy a Turn 1 Twist would be but don't understand that your opponent has to invest resources into making that happen. If you're both down a bunch of cards and living off your topdecks, who do you think has a better chance of winning: the guy who has a bunch of discard and Ephemerates in his deck or most Modern decks?
>>79731729>>79731781Not to mention decks playing that combo will be throwing in thoughtseize to make sure the opponent absolutely never recovers. You can even flicker Grief again in later turns to delete even more cards, literally forcing your opponent to play with their hands revealed the whole game
>>79731652/mmg/ a month agohttps://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/79102128/#79102680
>>79730574Anyone who said ephemerate from the start was a retard. You dedicate so much to rip two cards out of their hand and start with a 3/3 beater in the case of the black creature and the rest are mediocre at best. Imagine using 4 of your seven cards in the first turn just to get a 3/3 and pray you can keep up with whatever they're doing.
>>79731830the hivemind is always right
>>79731371>all this shit for a 34 (thirty-four) year old's birthdayWhat in the goddamn? Why are they treating him like he's 6?
>>79731729It's JUST discard, anon. You're investing 3 cards to discard 3 cardsfrom your opponent and leave a 3/2 behind IF you're lucky. It doesn't put you ahead, it only strains both players hands and then they topdeck Kolaghan's Command to fuck you with.
>>79731729Depends on the deck and if either of you can manage to draw a follow up. If you can Griefemerate and then find and stick a Stoneforge, it's very difficult to lose. If you don't, then you're gonna have a bad time.
Is StP really so much better than Path that it's worth pitching a card?
How's your tron-killer metagame going?
>>79731667I stopped playing Memedern for years and I'm only now getting back into it with the Rock, which I severely doubt will have anything from it banned.
>>79731865The fact that you can tap out to play your teferi or whatever and still hold up removal is huge.
>>79731850>shredding your opponents hand doesn't matter because they can just topdeck this specific card on turn 3
Has anyone had any experiences with sealed for MH2? I've been out of limited for a while, and the first event my shop has for it is, of course, for the set with 10 archetypes.
>>79731898My question is that with the existence of land destruction and removal and modern, why is field of the dead banned out like this? Amulet titan definitely has counter play against it so it's not like was taking over the format when it was good. It maybe had 2 spots in each top 8 list and there was no official organized play besides MTGO where people scoop quickly over getting thoughtseized t1.It's fucking bullshit. Wizards really needs to revamp the banlist for modern with this new release of modern horizons.
>>79731897I'm literally waiting for this to get banned in modern so i can buy my copies for EDH lol
>>79731820mind twist is fucking brutal wtf are you talking about
>>79731924Look, you can't keep mediocre or kinda good hands anymore. You literally have to mulligan to something good or you're gonna get rekt. You need multiple gameplans available to your starting hand and that's been true since Thoughtseize.
>>79731951Anon it's not 1995 anymore stop being scared of the boogeyman. It's not like you even need to adjust your deck to make Mind Twist not scary. Even in Modern, if Twist was legal, it gets cucked by Veil of Summer. Even when Twist was good in Vintage a million years ago the card still got buttfucked by Misdirection, Divert and Daze.
Don't respond to him, he's just baiting for posts. He did this the first time Griefemerate popped up.
>>79731924>modal spell that can be played md in nearly every deck packing its colors>specific cardlolAlso>muh hand shreddingYou're shredding your own hand too, anon.
>>79732031Retards will defend their epic flicker combo forever even if it's a non-deck.
>>79730574>what's the next prediction gonna bePretty sure it will be Murktide Regent. I'm amazed no one is worried about this thicc boi.
>>79731908and you can hard cast it late game with flash and lifelinksolitude is hands down the best elemental incarnation, what a powerhouse of a card
>>79732203It's just a 1 or 2 off in control or Blitz, only appears late game to close things up. It's not that horrible.
>>79732239I'm so out of the loop i wasn't aware it was seeing play already. Where do you go usually to check the challenger and league results (since i suppose it's what you are talking about)?
>>79732203It's good but I'm not sure if it's better than Whale in Legacy. It seems good in Modern too just less homes for it.
>>79732332Whale has utility but it eats bolt and can't race as fast as the dragon.
>>79732081No one runs K Command anymore. Get with the times grandpa.
>>79732347It's nice to play a two mana 8/8 or whatever but Delver has lacked card advantage more than anything.
>>79731371Those literally aren't cards stuck to the window.
>>79732359https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=30917&d=440414&f=MO>4 not!Kolaghan's Command MD
>>79731667>What keeps you lads going?The fact i x5-x10 my money on the old foils i specced on a year ago. Too bad i'm shit at investing in stocks and lost my money on various memes.Remember kids : never listen to the retards telling you to "grow up" and invest in the stock market. Truth is nothing beat MtG and pokémon in term of ROI.
>>79732406You're right, it's literally not Kologhan's Command.
>>79732486>the copeThese commands are great examples because they shit all over the Griefemerate christmasland curve by killing Grief and Tidehollow or Batterskull at the same time.https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=31027&d=441427&f=MO>folds to the first t2 deck he goes againstGriefbros... we got too cocky.
>>79732513>I can beat christmasland by simply topdecking the right card on turn 3Stunning argument. I guess it's over griefbros...
>>79731861Grief is a threat though too. That's what's dumb. People play delver because its a 3/2 with evasion on turn 1. Its a reasonable topdeck too, 4 mana is fair if you're in the midgame. Its a solid threat that mind twists you before you can play a land, like EVERY game. The combo has so much redundancy. It forces opps to go first and have bolt/revolt push every time to win.
>>79732513>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=31027&d=441427&f=MOWhat a strange and yet interesting list.>endurance MD>Vraska, Golgari Queen MDI think it's the first time i see her in modern, i hope she'll become more popular i'm stuck with a boatload of Vraskas from when i purchased cases of the GB ELD challenger deck kek
>>79732557They have things that can actually kill you to topdeck. Meanwhile, you're topdecking fucking flicker spells lmaoBut hey, enjoy discarding their Kroxa or something, that'll sure win you the game.
>>79732582Grief is an abysmal topdeck, retard.
>>79732590>Solitudes your awesome lategame threat you top deckedWhoops.
>>79732636People don't realize yet, but Solitude is a real seething machine.
>>79732636>implying he's Solitude'ing before I'm BBE'ing my values to victoryThis is what Griefcucks actually believe.
>>79729914if i release to the wind murderous rider can i cast it as swift end?
>>79732602Wrong. Its a two for 1 if they have anything in hand. A clock if you're both hellbent. Its not great but it does something. Again you're planning on winning turn 1, but you act like it being 4 mana means you will never cast it lol.
>>79732689>praying that they have anything in hand at late game>a 3/2 clock for 4 mana (wow)There should be a limit to retardation but yours doesn't.
>>79732712>>79732666>>79732602Not him but why do you have to insult him in every post you make while he remain courteous? Is it a lack of self-confidence?
>>79732666Anon, I've been top decking "useless" flicker cards the entire time. I can easily Solitude your BBE and whatever it cascades into by turn 4.
>>79732712Learn to English my man.You're mistaken. The shit is dumb. Not as dumb as a land that makes two threats and draws a card, but still dumb. Grief will rule modern a few bannings in.
>>79732736>whiteknighting a retard on an anonymous forumIs it a lack of sex?
>>79732736>not being an asshole on 4chan just because you canget a load of this guy
>>79732738>Ignoble Hierarch into BBE t3>"w-wait let me find Solitude first"
>>79732754>Grief will rule modern a few bannings inLmao you retards never learn
>>79732754>Grief will rule modern a few bannings in.I was siding with you until you indeed went full retard.
>>79732754>a few bannings ingrief won't get better from the bans they're actually likely to do, though
>>79732775>"Oh, you shredded my starting hand? Ha, you're absolutely fucked when I topdeck these two cards over the next couple turns."
>>79730058It won't be banned in legacy b/c it has a real counterplay. Meltdown longdicks the deck, and wasteland on it t1 is really strong. >>79729914Im a huge nostalgiafag of affinity being back b/c it was my first modern deck. Sucks taht urza sagas cost 60 bucks each so ill prob be grabbing non foils from frens
>>79732754>Grief will rule modern a few bannings inI wouldn't go that far, but it's already putting up good results and it'll likely be even better positioned if/when Urza's Saga eats a ban.
>>79731830lmao also in same thread I started testing expressive iteration and people were calling it shit, and now its in every legacy delver and in every ur blitz in modern.
>>79732817>t. "I'm always on the play and have this specific evoke creature plus this specific flicker spell and some color-specific card to exile in my opening hand"lol
>>79732856So what you're saying is that we're both subject to variance
>>79732877You are subject to variance, most of those decks have enough redundancy in their cards to go by with the stuff they topdeck.
>tfw when it looks like the whole meta is gonna be aggro and comboEldrazibros...is it over?
>>79732839I don't see how having turn 1 triple seize will have a healthy, moderate impact on the format long term. Again, its not as dumb as "my land is basically ancestral" and "1 mana 3/3 draw a card, kill a creature", but its not going to last.
>>79732900>top decking the right cards at the right time isn't variance
>>79732839>if/when Urza's Saga eats a banThey'll ban both bauble and map before they ban saga, have you learned nothing from the last couple years?
>>79732932They don't need "right cards" that's the point if redundancy. Most things they draw can (and will) rape you while you're looking for that other evoke creature to save you.
>>79732929Fucking nothing about this set has been healthy for the format. It's literally MH1 all over again. I'm just waiting for the meta to settle and we end up at Disaster Level Hogaak all over again.
>>79732974This is like three separate hogaaks printed at the same time desu. Mtg has officially become yugioh.
>>79732974>>79733014you now remember that MH1 also had multiple hogaaks, but only one of them ever got bannedwhich MH2 hogaak do you ban, if you can only ban one? choose carefully, the monkeys paw is surely listening
>>79733078>which MH2 hogaak do you ban, if you can only ban one? choose carefully, the monkeys paw is surely listeningUnban Hogaak. Let Hogaaks fight for survival.
>>79732955>Most things they draw can (and will) rape you while you're looking for that other evoke creature to save youNot really. Blindly top decking is never a good spot to be in, even if you're opponent's not much better off, but the Grief deck has more control over what they've kept in their hand than you do. It's certainly not impossible to get out from under a good Grief start, but it's not easy either.Anyone saying Grief is unstoppable is retarded, but anyone saying it's garbage is equally retarded.
>>79732823>Sucks taht urza sagas cost 60 bucks eachMass openings from stores started yesterday in EU and the card already dropped from 40 down to 28€ on mcm, even though deliveries wont start before the 18th. The race to the bottom is starting now.
>>79732686would a ub release to the wind deck be any viable for pioneer?
>>79733170Not pioneer related, but you can cast Suspend on Valki to then play the PW side for free. It get delayed by 2 turns, but only cost U.
>>79733151Grief isn't garbage, Grief + Ephemerate is. >but the Grief deck has more controlThis deck doesn't have control over shit, you're always relying on off-chance that the cards in your hand will be synergistic early game just to exploit shitty flicker combos. Stop for a second and imagine dumping your whole hand trying to disrupt your opponent and then having to race against a Kroxa with your "reasonable" 3/2. Or, better yet, play leagues with the deck instead of goldfishing and see for yourself how bad it is.
>>79733078Saga must be banned, just to keep the format from becoming essentially solved on the fair spectrum. Asmor*** comes second because it eventually finds a prime build and solves the format on the unfair end of the spectrum. Grief maybe stays because by the time they get to it "MTG: Star Wars" has been released and everyone is playing skywalker/han solo aggro with mox amber.
>>79733262I don't really see the hype for foodgack, sure you can control the board well enough and you have some recurring threats but there's decks like Esper and Tron that don't give a shit about your creature removal and have no problems exiling your Troll King or whatever.
>>79733201release to the winds gets it out turn 3 which is nice
>>79733262there is no 'comes second', you only get to ban one, so is it asmo or saga? whichever one you dont ban is here forever
>>79732823I didn't mean Urza's Saga will get banned but that the deck may not be good enough once the metagame adjusts.
>>79733307 Evaluate it like this. What other decks have a one drop that draws a card and kills a creature and is a threat? Compare it to bolt, swiftspear, thoughtseize, GG, noble hierarch etc. It's like at least twice as good as any of those cards. That's huge. And it enables troll king which is kind of busted but never had the right enablers. It's gonna wreck when people figure out a lrime builld.
>>79733320Asmo because it will eventually be the same deck as half the format. But saga is literally comparable to power 9, It would transform modern into a format where certain fair decks play 4 power and everyone has to shrug, lame as fuck.
>>79733320Not him but i believe Asmora is more threatening, that said, she's less versatile in the sense the minute you build around her, you must at the very least play her + cookbook + daredevil (+ most likely street wraith too to enable her early on) so it already eat up like 16 slots; while urza saga can fit in a wider range of decks with no real restriction.Also hating on asmora's engine is easy and destroy your whole gameplan, while getting rid of the saga don't really hurt the deck since it's pretty much a stand alone card.So overall i'd say urza's saga, mainly because it's harder to hate and can fit in many more decks, thus becoming a real pain in the ass if you have to face it every two games you play.
Wow they actually learned nothing from MH1
>>79733253You desperately want to imagine that you can easily come back from getting triple thoughtseized and that the deck is absolutely helpless after it goes off, but it's not that simple. Why would I be so afraid of a Kroxa as if the deck doesn't have answers for it? It's not hard to hold on to my removal spells when I'm not the one getting my hand ripped apart.>Or, better yet, play leagues with the deck instead of goldfishing and see for yourself how bad it is.I have. Maybe you should try it yourself, because the deck works.
>>79733483>when I'm not the one getting my hand ripped apartLol so you're casting your evoke dudes for their mana costs early game?>I have. Maybe you should try it yourself, because the deck works.I doubt you even play casually given how retarded and disconnected from the practical aspects of the game your replies are. If your Griefemerate piles had top8s at least I'd be able to take you seriously but you don't even have that.
>>79729914can someone with a tumblr ask Maro why we didnt get a mono white legendary? I cant reset my password from my old ass account
>>79733556The best card in the format is a land, grief piles will be bad. We can't judge on the deck being good or garbage because urza's saga warps the format so much.
>>79733851>The best card in the format is a landGlad you finally acknowledge lochtwaincoin as our Lord and Savior.
>>79733851>blaming Urza's SagaGriefemerate is garbage with or without it in the format.
>>79733337Itll be like any graveyard deck like dredge or hogaak. If people want to hate it out in the meta, they can. If people's sideboards get greedy and skimp on hate like meltdown, then itll run decks over. The flip side is because legacy affinity doesnt run any RL, its a good budget deck so more ppl might pick it up and cause it to get hated, unlike hogaak which requires 6 duals or dredge with LED
>>79732203He's already 40 bucks, why bother lol
>>79733409>power 9Anon this is ridiculous hyperbole. It makes you look retarded. You don't need to prove anything. Relax.
I'm idort. How exactly is Urza's saga busted? A land that sacks itself in 2 turns doesn't seem all that great. Sure you can fetch a cheap artifact answer to something life grafnigger cage or pithing needle but other than that ????
>>79734412The searching is good, but it's the token making ability that pushes it into being insane
>>79734412Two beaters that grow and any low costed artifact answer is a lot of resources for a single land.
>>79734463this is why i thought ouphe would be a decent answer to saga, but maybe i'm in the wrong.
>>79734582it also gets around counter spells
>>79734592How would Ouphe stop Saga exactly? The tokens don't have any activated abilities.
Ok frens, so i tested a bit the memelist i brewed in previous bread, and shit is pretty damn gud.The curve is so ridiculously low (the max cmc you pay is literally 1), it make urza's saga truly absurd, since you'll always get 2 tokens out of it without slowling you down nor the missed land drop impact you, and they are often in 6/6+ territory very fast with all the food tokens you generate.The underwhelming part have been the oven/cat engine, it doesnt feel like it's really accomplishing much.Also, i think i could make better use of the manabase, the colored needs are just for 16 cards total (8 U / 8 B), and 12 of them are flex slot (emry, cat and rebuke aren't mandatory for the build). Emry's CA is nice, and the mill effect is a fine plus, but i feel like i could simply go for monoB and pack up a big land toolbox instead. Lochtwain would be perfect to replace her as CA generating machine considering i have lands left untapped every turn and my hand is emptied very early on, so no lifeloss.In the previous thread i was discussing with another anon about ashiok in food.deck, i think i'll go this path. Maybe even the nu-entomb we got in MH2 to guarantee a daredevil/troll in the grave.If you frens have any idea on what could replace the cat/oven and emry/rebuke slots, i'll gladly listen to your propositions!
>>79734660What a shit list. Why not just play UW with the sagas?
>>79734610Isn't the land an artifact?
>>79734610>>79734720Oh my bad it's just an enchantment
>>79734660>Maybe even the nu-entomb we got in MH2 to guarantee a daredevil/troll in the grave.That feels Yugioh as fuck, I love it.
>>79734718This. Here's a much better list.
but seriously though, what's stopping you from just playing 60x Urza's Saga with Lurrus in the SB?
>>79734765Excellent list, fren. I can see why it got a 5-0 result.
>>79734744Any specific card in mind for the artifact synergies? >self millStitcher's Supplier is the best self mill availible, but the card really want oven i guess :x.>>79734765>>79734718I changed my mind finally, it's truly a magnificent list. I... i kneel UW-sama..
>>79734765That looks insanely strong
>>79734765I don't want to play anymore.
>>79734765Now that's a list that can dominate 6 gorillion GPs.
>>79734796Stitcher's is bad without Oven, yes. But Hedron Crab is pretty nuts too. For artifact cards, a Salvage Titan could be interesting for the games you don't draw Troll King, and you could play affinity cards like Thoughtcast as well.
>>79734765Holy shit >>79734660 mogged to death.
>>79734765>Aether VialTruly the work of a master.
>>79734718Some people enjoy brewing shitpiles.
>>79734660>3 Subtlety>3 Solitude>4 Solitude>4 Grief>4 Fury>3 Solitude>3 Fury>3 Griefwelcome to the future
>>79734765Took me 2 GP top8's to truly understand the brilliance of this list
>>79734851The titan is an interesting idea indeed, i completely forgot about him, thanks.About affinity cards, i had in mind to try something in monoB for the moment, but i will keep it in mind for later brews.
>>79734765I feel sick to my stomach. Like vomit trying to climb up to protest the horror I'm witnessing.
>>79734765>>79734794>>79734809>>79734816>>79734838Not that impressive, I can win any event with only 56 Plains and 4 Solitude.
>>79734911Rotting regisaur for monoB?s
Why isn't imperial recruiter seeing more play?
>>79734933not that hard when you call judge for gamestate violations for forgetting the hit their chess clock when passing priority
Will the troll eventually be bored out after samefagging to death or is this thread condemned?
>>79734985It's just you and me in here, pal. Always has been.
>>79734660What about Braids? You're going to have fodder to sac, and she can really lock people out.Otherwise, Herald of Anguish could be interesting if you want a nice black card with Improvise
>>79734961in modern? Because there are just no decks that want a 3cmc tutor with specific pool in mind. Unironically too slow.
>>79734961imperial only really saw play in legbvll in painter or food chain where tutoring that creature is cruical for comboing off. Can't fetch any of the pieces for heliod combo and unless humans becomes more toolboxy of a deck i feel a 3 mana tutor while good is slow for the deck. gobbos might play it perhaps.
>>79734998>Herald of AnguishThat's perfect! exactly the kind of finisher the deck could profit from, thanks fren.For braids i'm not so sure it's the right build. but it's worth a try.
>>79734911Ayara for life loss win with the cat/oven combo? could even slam in cousin vito
>>79735056You could also do some fun stuff with Saga tutoring Map to get Coffers/Urborg, but I don't know if that's worth it or not, since you don't have much to spend the mana on.Other than that, you could always just maindeck some discard and removal if you don't know what else you want. Thoughtsieze, Collective Brutality, Push.
>>79735101this needs booba editplease
>Secret Lair Purchaser
>>79735112>since you don't have much to spend the mana on.Yeah. Instead of map i think i'll simply go for hex parasite, so i can keep producing+tutoring from the same urza's saga. I think it's the best use i can get from my unused mana. Power Conduit would be a bit less mana intensive, but it can't get tutored by the saga.>TS, pushYep, so far i'm hesitating between a meme version trying to bank on synergies and a more controlish one ft. more regular black staples. Pic rel is how the meme version look so far.
>>79735218Might be too memey. You could actually maindeck a couple Lurrus in here if you wanted another value engine, though I see you took out the baubles.
>>79735259>Might be too memeyThat's my guess too. Here's the less memey version, with a tiny tiny G splash, mainly to get access to crumb, which is supposed to help staying ahead value-wise. Vraska in the same vein, saccing the extra food for value and acting as a repeatable decay.Do you prefer this one?
>>79735356I don't think you need that much interaction in the main, but I don't know what to bring in if you don't want to go for the Lurrus + Bauble plan. Gilded Goose maybe?
>>79734660>if the creature's thoughness is 4 or greater create two foods insteadWhat about Merfolk Secretkeeper? Especially if you go the Ashiok route. I'd still keep Emry, though.
>>79735555>>79734660You'd also put an amazing looking card into your deck, great plus for today's magic standards.
>>79734765Beautiful. You might not like it but this is what top magic looks like.
>>79735597I unironically bought a playset of this gard in foil just for the art/frame. ELD may be a retarded FIRE set, but it was one of the best looking set ever. You could tell they put a lot of efforts to make it, especially the artists. The contrast with shit-looking ikoria was... wow.
>>79735356This is such an open ended deck and every color but white has something to add. Let me throw my shit into the pot and see if it stirs up any ideas.
>>79735597>>79735645still the best use of the showcase frameall the others pale in comparison
>>79734765Why does this have prismatic ending with only 2 colors....
>>79735707I don't like the madness meme of fiery temper. I'd cut them, add 4th daredevil, 4th bauble, 2nd confla and second loam.
>>79735707Not running Oven just feels like a terrible idea to me. Oven does a few things for the deck, which are 1) negates removal pointed at Troll Kings by turning him into 2 Food which is almost enough to bring him back again (saving him from Path is a big deal), and 2) allows for Cauldron Familiar recursion, which is a really big deal against Prowess and Burn.
>>79735144with that face?noted
>>79731950see you in three months
>>79733320asmo is far worse than saga long term
>>79736172Not him but it's not like we're on a time limit or anything.
>>79735707>every color but white has something to addGonna disagree with this. Eladamri's Call lets us trim the fuck out of our Troll King and Daredevil numbers while giving us the ability to splash toolbox/hate cards on top of redundant copies of Asmora if needs be. I for one would love to mainboard a single Faerie Macabre in this deck just to shit on someone's birthday cake one time.>T1 Fetch Triome, pass>T2 Land, pass>Opponent tries to do some funky graveyard shit, perhaps they're on a Foodgaak pile too or playing Dredge>"Erhm, in response to your King eating that three Food, Call for Faerie Macabre ;)"Macabre's ability also says discard so it's another card that allow T1 Asmora since it doesn't need two targets, just up to two. There's all sorts of garbage you could run in a deck like this in singletons that would be strong. Grist sits there and makes an army (while potentially milling Cat/Daredevil/King) while removing threats, nothing is stopping you running a Gaddock Teeg, an Aven Mindcensor, a Thalia, a Voice of ResurgenHAHA SORRY JUST KIDDING ON THAT ONE, a Fulminator Mage, all sorts of useful toolbox shit.
>>79736279I can already see the WUBRG food is going to be wild.
>>79736225true, but hogaak took a long ass time, and I also think saga won't drop that much or is that great in commander decks that don't aim for cedh level
>>79736320I truly believe we're only in the formative stages of Food lists. What will come further down the line will be streamlined, consistent, and super resilient. Eldrazi Winter took a while to find the best lists. Hogaak lists got better AFTER the ban because they realised the lists could still be improved. Even the mighty Oko took a good while to really get going in Modern. At first people were obsessed with Urza decks, then it was Urza + Oko, then people starting cutting Urza and realising the horrible truth.I'm confident that these Food piles will become as obnoxious as Oko, and they'll be forced to ban part of the Food engine.
>>79736373It's literally an auto- include in every single deck.
>>79736570Even in storm?
>asmorablabla instantly went from 15€ down to 8 on MCMYep, i think the mass openings just started boys!
>>79736615Specifically a cEDH variant, or something like a 75% list? I could see a case for both, but definitely the latter.
>>79736659ah nvm, i thought you were speaking for modern. I agree, it's clearly an auto-include in every single deck for edh.
>>79734765What the fuck is this list
>>79736863A stroke of genius
>>79729914Should i go to the modern horizons 2 pre-release? Im fucking dying to play some limited because its all i play and drafting online sucks. Counter point shit costs $50.
>>79735146I said I'd never buy a Secret Lair, but I'm going to make an exception for the Foglio SL. They're far and away my favorite Magic artists.
>>79737478Did you ever play that porn game Phil made?
>>79737041>>79737390excellent posting lads
>>79737459I had fun at mine. Turns out not only is Urza's Saga good in every constructed format, it's also a limited bomb.
>>79737539guess ill head out there tonight and if they got spots left ill play and if they dont i wont. I really do not want to shell out $50 for ot though.
>>79737459the magic online phantom draft is only like 10 bucks as a counterpoint though
>>79737539Well yeah, a card that shits out two Karnstructs is in fact pretty good.
Anyone else think Abiding Grace could be really good? It just occured to me that Grace + Hope of Ghirapur locks your opponent from casting noncreatures in their own turn.
>>79738327Of course it's good. It's just that there are so many busted cards that came out in the last 3 years that now good and very good cards have no chance to shine.
>>79738327it seems like it was made for Martyr Proc, we just need to find the right 75, I think
>>79738388Well I'ma try and slot it into the Abzan 'Gaak pile I'm mulling over. Caustic Caterpillar becomes our mainboard Naturalise of choice for sure in that case. What's even funnier about Caustic Caterpillar is that he's an insect for our one-of Grist.Here's the list of potential gards thus far.
Kinda bummed we did not get the trilobite demon
>>79738456It seems absolutely terrible here. Cat doesn't need any help to get brought back and it doesn't hit Asmo, so you're really just bringing back goose and caterpillar, which is just not reliable enough.
>>79738661>Cat doesn't need any help to get brought backBut if it does get brought back, you're up a Food token. Though admittedly I thought it said cmc1 or less, so you're probably right.
>Urza's Saga, Springleaf Drum, Ornithopter, Ornithopter, Memnite, Signal Pest, go
Damn, hell's kitchen is a fun deck
>>79738327>>79738438I'm hoping this card and Solitude will revive Martyr Proc
>>79739052>End of your turn, pitch a card for Force of Despair?
>>79739105yeah, for me it's because it has so many moving parts and neat small synergies
>>79739052This is genuinely the best sort of line in Affinity right now, enabling T3 kills.>T1 Urza's Saga, Springleaf Drum, Ornithopter, Ornithopter, Memnite, Signal Pest>T2 Land, tap Ornithopter for mana, make a Karnstruct, attack for 3>T3 Float a mana, tutor up Gingerbrute, tap land to play Plating, tap Ornithopter to equip Plating, attack for 22
>>79739176>and then Force of Vigger trashes your shit
>>79739194>A card exists that's good against a deck or gameplanWell shit boys, pack it up, no deck is without potential weaknesses so I don't see why we're bothering.
Would it be a mistake to try making a Grapeshot deck in Legacy or Vintage? I haven't played either format but I want to try them.
>>79739223I'll take that as a yes. Thanks anyway.
>>79739207you can make Storm decks but we have a straight upgrade from Grapeshot in Legacy/Vintage right here >>79739223
>>797391942 for 2 probably isn't even good enough, Id rather try and hit a fat force of despair and wipe 80% of their board.
>>79739246Force of Vigger blows up their land and denies them a Karnstruct and trinket tutor.
>>79735146>tobias kwanI hope they have more of his stuff in Innistrad since that one actually looks good.
>>79735146I hope he gets to draw some weird ethereal shit in the future, hell that vampire is closest to an Ayami Kojima vampire art we can get.
>>79734410Its a land that draws three dude, that's its ceiling. It's a fair comparison.
>>79729914You know I hadn't actually read this article, but holy fuck Wizards smokes a lot of crack.https://articles.starcitygames.com/select/cataloging-my-work-on-modern-horizons-2/>Karakas and Doomsday were going to be in MH2>Inevitable Betrayal was going to be Tinker instead of Bribery>Grief was going to be Unmoored Ego on a stick instead of Unmask>Blazing Rootwalla had 2 power>Squirrels in general got nerfed>Ravenous Squirrel used to grow when you sacrificed ANY permanent (e.g. fetchlands)>Sythis used to draw for herself too>Territorial Kavu used to give straight up card advantage>Scion of Draco originally was an 8/8 and had trample>Urza's Saga used to essentially be an Urza's Tower that would turn on by itself on the third lore counter
>>79740132Is it better to FIRE up and then tone down, or to BFZ it down and work one's way up?Given what you just shared us I'm guessing the former might be a bad idea. Then again this is WOTC we're talking about.
>>79740179Nothing is any better than anything else because the game is forced to live with all design mistakes regardless. Printing a low power set won't make Modern any lower powered. The bar only raises over time unless Wizards had the balls to actively curate the format through more aggressive bans, but then you run into the problem of insanely fast pseudo-rotations and the game being even MORE expensive.
>>79740132I'm glad Scion got changed, I think the current iteration of 2 mana 4/4 with flying is good enough without the danger of ever becoming oppressive
>>79740132>Scion of Draco originally was an 8/8 and had trampleAt least they learned their lesson on that one...
>>79740247>Hmmm, and 8/8 with trample that can be cheating into play somehow. I feel like we've been here before, maybe we should do something about it BEFORE it becomes a problem this time.
>>79740132>Blazing Rootwalla had 2 powerYes could you imagine, a 2/1 for R with only upsides? That would be silly
Anyone else see the AIDS video of MH2 Elves? Turns out that green Urborg is actually really sweet because giving your opponent a bunch of Forests means this card is just a better Ezuri. Rather than pumping your team and trying to go over the top, you can just kinda, go through for more consistent damage.>>79740283Stop it Ragavanon, it's over. The card just isn't good in Modern. It's not the best red one drop ever printed when it comes to Modern. Even Blazing Rootwalla is seeing more play than it.
>>79740283>a 2/1 for 0 with only upsides?ftfy
>>79739668Is this a stand alone art piece or is their a story behind it? It's fuckin great
>>79740207If the FIRE era was started over, would it be better for the players and/or Wizards if instead of printing several broken bombs, they instead printed a bunch of good but not broken cards? Granted this would probably stifle innovation. Without FIRE we might not've gotten Castle Lochwain or Force of Despair. Then again it's not like they haven't innovated before with flip lands (Ixalan) or Vehicles, and they have printed disappointments during FIRE (Cabal Therapist).
>>79740309Prediction: Blue Urborg will be next and the Professor will call off his suicide assuming he doesn't off himself too soon.
>>79740455It would be better if Wizards simply took a more active approach in curating Modern's gameplay through bannings rather than just letting the chips fall where they may. It's unreasonable to ask or expect Wizards to somehow print perfectly balanced cards because the amount of potential factors that can make a card too good are huge. Just look at Ovalchase Daredevil. Some random draft uncommon from Kaladesh just happens to have insane synergy with a MH2 card and now it's 5-0ing leagues.Nah fuck that. Just be more active in bannings. It'd push the price of cards down as holding onto something that could get banned is a bad idea, in turn making it less painful when your deck eats a ban. And even if your deck eats a ban, it'd only be to make it more palatable, not kill it. Unless it was a genuine offender like Tron, of course.
>leagues are getting 5-0d by a deck based around an unkillable poo that can't drive and keeps showing up for pie
I'm totally ok with this.
>>79740581I like the idea, but then it would make buying cards risky, and it won't just screw over investors. Maybe common sense will assume to not overspeculate and make every card worth $10.
Idea for a Magic format/game:Every card in your deck is a proxy for any possible card in Magic with the same supertypes as it, and when you play/search for a card, you pick what card it is.For example, turn one you play a land, choosing Urza's Power Plant, then an artifact, choosing Expedition Map. For my turn, I play a land choosing Botanical Sanctum, and a creature choosing Glistener Elf. Do you continue trying to get Tron online knowing you could easily die next turn?It's like the ultimate le Chiffre format. You'd have answers for everything, and your opponent would have answers back. Just put a blank piece of paper in front of cards with card types written on, then use drywipes to write on cards what they are.
>>79740725It sounds like Mental Magic for casuals
>>79740775It's more like Mental Magic but a much greater test of knowledge and with more potential for styling on people.
>>79740929It sounds fucking stupid.Why can't you just play regular Magic like a non-faggot?
Is Urza's Saga really the big boogeyman or is everyone overreacting?
>>79740687Hey!Wasn't that land that produces black mana an uncommon?
>>79740971You were so good at Magic that I tried to copy what you were doing. If I ended up acting like a faggot, then that means...
>>79740425it's standalone since the whole motherland chronicle is basically just a collection of art pieces thats based on dark fantasy. Here's another example of his work.
>>79740309>Turns out that green Urborg is actually really sweet because giving your opponent a bunch of Forests means this card is just a better Ezuri.>NOOOOO YOU CANT PRINT A CYCLE CUZ LD AND VALAKUT IS BROKEN
>>79740987In the original print, yes (I ran a suicide black during that era) but now it's mythic because (((reasons))) dropped the price of it like a crater, from $80 something to $30 which is great because more people can get it now. Probably too slow for modern though funny enough.
>>79740971>regular Magic>non-faggotI'm only in these threads during new set releases to laugh at the dumpster fire.
Modern is a rotating format
>>79741236really going out on a limb with that sub zero take there anon
>>79741248I was ignoring his post. It's an obvious troll because nobody could possibly have such a ridiculous, bold take on Modern.
Reminder that green ramp vs red embercleave have been the top decks in Standard for like 2 years while Modern is getting fucked up each set release. Modern actually rotates more than Standard now. This game is beyond parody
>>79741262Its probably the children of the lie coming for his videogames, beauty, health and manga that's causing him to come to this schizo conclusions
Ok someone explain to a brainlet why magic aids played heritage druid turn 1 when he had a llanowar elves in hand.
>>79741475Oh man, they're really pulling out the stops for Forgotten Realms. Check out this POWERFUL WHITE CARD DRAW.
>>79741549Wanting powerful white cards, you wouldn't be a white supremacist...... anon?
>>79740309>Turns out that green Urborg is actually really sweetI fucking called this a week ago and all the faggots in this thread told me I was retarded. God I fucking hate you all.
>>79741534Not sure of the timestamp and context in the video, but T1 hertiage druid into T2 elite + token > mana dork
>>79741664bouncing cradles with Quirion Ranger is absolute gas who could have guessed
>>79741688Oh right, I didn't see it in hand, I thought he was just hoping to draw it so I got confused.
>>79741020That's some good shit man. Thanks for sharing.Know that this day, that in some small way, you have enriched another anon's life.
>>79741549So this is the power of White rare.... powerful
>>79741664Animutranny, reddit, fedorasilverposter and arenababs aren't humans.You should not take their opinion into consideration.
>>79741770> /mmg/ - Modern (and Non-EDH) Magic Generalif the legbvll general was still around i'd be there instead.
>>79741822I'm aware that the dozen remaining legacucks have latched onto /mmg/ like a parasite, but the specific deck being discussed was modern elves.
go to /edhg/ for the revealed cards, literally two minutes later talking about fucking twinks from the LGS
>>79741931Something something merchants something something WE
What's the point of flying when every green creature has reach?
>>79741765Im just glad that someone shares the same enthusiasm I have for some nice artwork.
>>79740687If that's a prerelease kit pull congrats, you paid for it almost twice over.
>>79741080>>79741664I said the only payout for it was Elvish Champion :^)Well, it's found it's one use-case in history. Feel free to run four.
>>79742041Guay's art is pure soul, even if she looks like a turbo dike in real life, tempted to get one of those kickstarter playmats.
>>79742041>dark banishing, but doesn't hit blackWdtmbt?>>79742077One of the last few good ones left. It's a shame she was chased out for a few years a long while back.
What are the most fun Vintage decks?
>>79735144That man needs to shave, badly.
>>79742191The one where you play in paper without telling your opponent that your cards are fakes, then halfway through the game you bend your Lotus in half while shuffling, pretend to panic to all fuck, and run out of the event.
>>79742191Fun is subjective anon, most people when they enter vintage play shops or dredge starting off. Watch content and determine what you find fun.
>>79742227most vintage players are proxypilled fren, back when tourneys were still a thing some of the prize-funded vintage tourneys allowed 100% proxies
>>79742229Will do. My favorite deck so far is Mono U Tron for Modern. Do you by any chance know if Vintage has a deck similar to that?
>>79742183Hard to find even one stinker she's done the art for
>>79732332i thought so too at first but when u r running 3-4 expressive iteration, you dont need whale for card advantage. a single swing with regent along with ur earlier attacks will put them close into bolt range
can someone explain the need for the 4 profane tutors? What does it do?
>>79742321SERIOUSLY TRON? FUCK
>>79742494>What does it do?>1x Archon of Cruelty>1x Finaly of Promise>1x Wear//Tear>1x Electrodominance>2x Persist>2x KroxaProfane Tutor lets you find those cards consistently
>>79742321If it wasn't for MH2's Murkhide Regent, this card would nuke like half of Legacy Delver decks.
>>79742592thank you I'm dog shit at modern and its been a while since I played
>>79742746Good fucking riddance.
>>79742321Lurrus bros... we got to cocky...
>>79742219He acquired booba, he has no needs anymore.
>>79742321how hard does this fuck amulet titan?
>>79742915>half of the deck is landspretty hard, I'd imagine