Knight Heads editionPrevious thread:>>78853445>Thread FAQ(very old, remembers Age of Terra)http://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8>Thread FAQ(suggestion)https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>Erratas and extra downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/>30k TACTICA & TIPShttp://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp>Rules and stuff for HH and TitanicusHH - mega<dot>nz<slash>folder/3wwGVTjZ#zwjoK0nSZ2Kzin6mJ0dV1waudiobooks - mega<dot>nz<slash>folder<slash>yM1yWIba#ETw9ELPJmEScSrM9WwjRCw==/ATG/ Zone==>Rules and supplementsAT - mega<dot>nz<slash>folder/Csgk2ZTR#3vRK4eXP5ovbyM_TSL0tWA>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttp://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>homemade missions:http://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html
Why did you have to remind me of those horrid knight heads FW made.
Heavy avatar vibes on this guy, shame the model never got released.
>>78917032Wasn't this discussed last thread?
why does one of the Gal Vorbak look like majin buu?
>>78917943>Thoughts?How do I muster the willpower to suffer through an entire warhammer youtube vid
>>78917943>Mark II, V or VIthe inconsistency of this is confusing, since it's either early or late heresy and none of these are that legitimate as the only or main armour you'd have in an army. I could stretch to believing it is Mark II jump troops, and Mark V tacticals. All three would be bizarre but for late heresy who knows, perhaps to distinguish traitor and loyalists in the set.>plastic Spartanpossibly but an odd choice for a boxed set which likely won't contain enough troops to warrant it, when they could just throw a rhino in. Also very one sided if it is a two player set, not much could balance it on the other side. Same goes double for the proteus.
>yfw the 8th of march reveal is a new boxset and plastic Solar Auxilia
>>78918038>none of these are that legitimate as the only or main armour you'd have in an armyNeither is MkIII, but GW still stuffed that into a box.
>>78918269Mark III is legitimate for the entire heresy period and is iconic for many legions what the fuck do you mean? Mark II in small numbers for troops less reliant on armour like jump troops/bikers/crews is fine and mark V and VI is obviously late heresy, almost Siege of Terra exclusive for many legions.
>>78918751MkIII was never issued as a standard issue armour, it was a specialist suit used for specific tasks. MkII continued to serve as the standard issue armour until the MkIV came to replace it. Even then, by the start of the Heresy, the suit was only halfway through being issued, with legions loyal to Horus being favoured in shipments. MkVI had been in prototype phase for a while before the Heresy and first shipments of the production models were sent out months before the conflict began.
>>78918918This is why we need plastic MK II
>>78917943Not an EoH listener, am a Macca watcher (yeah yeah, drag me if you want). Who the fuck is this brainlet sounding like he's stoned and trying to speak over Macca midway through a coherant point. He also likes playable cards for wargames which is a prime warning sign for utter turbo autism.
>>78917032You can easly convert this, just put auxilia guy in place of GK.
>>78918038I couldn't be arsed to listen to hours on end of unsourced waffling, but they're sort of right that there's little point in doing plastic tacticals in the missing marks and that an assault marine kit seems more likely. They're also right that tanks in a boxed set are a near impossibility, though I think we'd all love a Deimos rhino. What does that leave - another dread, plastic jetbikes? This is all wild speculation anyway, when I spoke to Tony Cottrell about it at a shareholder AGM way back in 2016 he said that he couldn't see them doing another plastic HH boxed set. The lack of support for HH makes it seem more probable that they're just letting it quietly die.
>>78919212MkIV really are diddly.
>>78919212That's 28mm heroic scale for you.All infantry model are same height.
>>78919438I don't think the IP has to prove it is saleable without support, I seriously doubt Necromunda, bloodbowl or fucking aeronautica looked worthwhile back in 2018 or whenever it got into the listings. I think GW want to make as much proft from all the IPs they already have, before making new IPs. GW also look at other companies as references and I'm sure the popularity of games like bolt action, which have more regulated army comps, important but rare elite and armour choices and much more cross faction streamlining for simplicity, they can see potential in HH.
>>78919533>I don't think the IP has to prove it is saleable without supportThat's not what I'm saying. My point is that the lack of support seems more like an indication of FW having lost interest in HH than of some upcoming grand release. I'd love to be proved wrong in a couple of weeks though.>important but rare elite and armour choicesShame FW borked HH then by stuffing it with units which can delete power armour en masse. If there's one simple change they could make to fix the game it would be to change AP to a modifier system.
>>78920461>seems more like an indication of FW having lost interest in HHThen FW has lost interest in pretty much everything they do. To me it seems more like a long and chronic case of poor direction and management. Point in case: the passing of a single employee led to the complete breaking down of the entire company.>one simple change they could make to fix the game it would be to change AP to a modifier system.It wouldn't in the slightest. When 40k changed to 8th and modifiers for AP terminators were still garbage tier, even with getting 2 wounds as well. Mathematically AP -1 weapons were the most point efficient at taking them down, because higher modifiers don't matter thanks to the invulnerable save. Add to that that lower AP weapons are generally cheaper in points and have higher rate of fire, and it becomes plain to see why. A few terminator units seem to be in a better place right now, but that has everything to do with stacking special snowflake rules than it has with 40k using the modifier system.
>>78919470>>78919480>>78919212if the FW sculpts are supposed to represent Terran recruits, most of those after to the Unification Wars would come from territories that were fucking starving. Right from the start there's variations - like Bjorn - in how massive these guys get, but there's a limit on how much work the basic implantation process can do to a pre-existing subject. tl;dr Terran street rats ain't gonna marine up to be 7 feet tall after second puberty, Old Hundred gene uplifts are gonna be primo meatwall material
>>78919533>Necromunda, bloodbowl or fucking aeronauticaThose are essentially all re-releases.
>>78921080Malnourished savages living in poor hygiene conditions are realistically not gonna be 7 ft tall marine boys either in that case. That this happens in the fluff means that either the conversion process into marine really does all that extra height, or people have a way too romantic and idealistic idea about what living in primitive conditions really means.
>>78921080Don't look for lore reason, it's just 28mm heroic scale, it always was the case with marines.New models are just taller, but no that much taller and new sisters are as tall as primaris, Primaris are only wider.SM guardsmen, tau fire warriors, eldar warriors miniatures always were same size, it's just heroic scale.That's why truescale fags exists because marines who are supposed to be very tall are same size as everyone elseAverage marine is around 8'(240cm) tall in his armor, that's how they were designed in lore by GW.
>>78921080>>78921184you 2 are colossal retards
>>78920850I cannot fathom how anyone could look at the AP modifier system and think that it would make infantry more survivable.
>>78921574Because it would turn ap3 into -2 and 3+ save would became 5+ instead of "lol u fucked"
>>789218468-9th save system is garbage, I hope it stays away.
>>78921846you’re really very fucking stupid, just like you are every time you shill this.>heavy bolters are now -1 ap>volkite are now -1 ap >marines now instantly by even more weapons.>plasma and vindicators still delete infantry
>>78921967Reducing cover save to +1 modifier was a mistake>>78922091>>volkite are now -1 apVolkite would be ap 0, cuz it's shit at taking armor, even tank mounted volkite is ap5.Plasma would't be auto kill on artificer or even power armor, because od -3 modifier would turn 3+ into 6+ and 2+ into 5+.
>>78921080>>78921184Pure manlet cope.>>78921292Primaris are taller. Either way, visually it's better to have the Legionaries be taller, like SoH overseers pushing the slave auxiliary forward to their deaths. It looks comical when they're the same size.
>>78922545This has to be the most refined troll post in a long while.
>>78922593Now buy my minis manlet
>>78921967Listen to this anon. Do it. 8/9th is full of shit, AP modifiers are garbage, fuck core rules changes.
>>78922545>Sisters of Tren
>>78923401The AP modifiers and the simpler psychic phase are the only good things about 8/9ed.
>>78923619The psychic powers themselves are trash though.The warp charge dice system can go die in a fire however.
>>78923672Agreed. Better system, worse powers.
>>78923619I don't like the ap system for 8/9th.I think the system works well in Fantasy, but it's more developed in fantasy and in 40k it's simultaneously resulted in all ap5 weapons getting dirted (unless you play space marines), while making weapons with ap-1 extremely effective and spammy.Also they fucked up Thunder hammers, Power fists and Power axes and I'm still salty about that.
>>78924198the problem of AP in HH is not the AP system but how easy it is to spam marine killing weapons, particularly on much more mobile and durable platforms.
>>78924267This, more or less. I'd like to do my legion with mass marines and such, but the amount of shit that just decimates marines makes it an awful decision.
>>78924267Yeah that's fair. It's not to find ap3 and ap2 artillery and weapons. I think the main argument against that is marines do take up the biggest proportion of the game and so the game needs to be balanced around them (in a purposeful way, not the same way 40k has reached this same predicament). It also makes sense since there is more nasty weapons kicking around in the Heresy.But yeah, it's really easy to get hold of Marine shredding weapons, which kind of defeats the point of them being super humans.
>>78924267>>78924393>>78924444and then you get 9th edition, a world without blast weapons, where every marine has 2 wounds and terminators get 3, where -1AP is basically irrelevant and can't be modified by more than one.
>>78924792and without any interesting or well thought out rules.
>>78925212didn't have to wait too long for an anon to come make my point.
>>78923619Psychic phase, yes.In theory, I like the paper/rock/scissors effect that 3rd-7th ed. AP gives you. In practice, there is too much AP1/2/3 around. If I were king, I would make template weapons with AP1-3 very, very rare.
>>78925750AP1-3 weapons don't need to be rare, they need to come at an expense to the balance of your force and its effectiveness. For 40k this isn't so much of an issue because there is much more variety in unit costing and armour value. In 30k there is never a reason not to take higher AP, it isn't as though you can flood the board with cheap marines and punish an opponent that takes fewer high AP units.
>>78924792Imagine mixing positive aspects about editions to make a superior game. I love this game, but in my meta, actually taking marines is just gimping yourself if you're going beyond the bare minimum and it sucks. An extension of this is that there are so many 2+ saves with the abundance of artificer armour that things like lightning claws are kinda pointless.
Currently painting my 30-40th SoT Death Guard marine. I have so many left to go. How do I power through it?
>>78926074Rot in hell. It'll put you in the Death Guard mood.As great as batch painting is, I'd limit yourself to batches of 5 or 10, because finishing a small batch is motivating. Now get back to work!
>>78924444Artillery rules are fucking joke.Common hotwizer is ap3 fuck your infantry on entire blast, medusa is ap2.Meanwhile whrilwind rocket artillery that is supposed to cover large area with rockets is just basilisk but weaker with ap4.And rules for artillery having strong AP is fucking joke.
>>78927625Its the survivibility of artillery units which is the problem.A medusa or basilisk can get butt fucked from the sidevor rear easily, and a pen is almost guaranteed to atleast stop it firing the next turnArtillery on the other hand can't be shaken, and even weedy militia are t7 assholes because of the way the rules work. If the gunners didnt get the artillery's T (or if it was just lower) it would be ok.
whatwhat the actual fuck
>>78928330BA Leviathan got completly nuked.
>>78928342Why is so much shit no longer available
>>78928404sometimes it comes back after becoming "no longer available" but who knows what the fuck they're doing.
>>78928404It’s been talked about a lot. >brexit>covid >production changespick your favorite answer. no one really knows
Ivan's Vossie heads arrived at last.
So I'm finally getting a game in this weekend and I had someone look over my list.He was appalled that I had 500+ points tied up in two non-primarch characters. Am I putting too many photon thrusters into one basket?
>>78929016it’s a bit much, but that model is pure kino.
>>78929035What the heck do mechanicum players spend their points on if not on pimping out their archmagos?
>>78929131Legions get Primarchs. We get absurdly customizable, expensive Magi. I'm still in the boat of "Fuck primarchs" though because they're the opposite of fun to deal with.
>>78929016If you're dealing with Custodes or primarchs, there's no such thing as too many photon thrusters.
>>78929131artillery, tanks, robots, haywire bombs, and adsec hordes.
>>78926345>>78926619I’m switching down to batches of 5. I was doing 10-15 at a time and the metal and trim was killing me
>>78916562horse heresy is why there's no rough riders anymore
>>78930552I am doing the metal trim on a bunch of world eater tacticals right now.I feel your pain anon.Practice will make you faster, so worth it in the end.
>>78930568Rough Riders are a gateway to horse fucking.
Who here is ready to find out HH is getting cancelled next weekend?
>>78932192they have literally never announced anything being discontinued. if it does get canned it’ll be slowly and quietly. they’ll just stop making things
>>78932401>WHFBAre you dumb?
>>78932513Never got discontinued, just got blown up and turned into Age of Sigmar.
>>78932667jfc you're a smooth brain.
>Big steppy>Never thought I'd do a big steppy in the heresy
>>78933088drill your fucking barrels.
>>78933111>Unfinished model is unfinishedHow about you drilling your own ass before jumping to conclusions?
>>78933153why primer and then drill that's just idiotic.
>>78917943No lifer here. Listened to the whole thing, the guy who likes the cards and sounds baked as hell is dumb as dirt, just get rid of night fight faggot. The other two doing wishlisting(or making suggestions on how to fix the game not sure) was good enough but nothing groundbreaking. No source for anything thats “supposedly” in the works, then pointless comparisons cross game. Fuck dont watch.
>>78933277Best way to see whether or not the drill drifted and fucked the barrel. Can just slather some black paint in there afterwards, it's not like there's gonna be paint wearing off inside a hole. Unless you fuck your drilled barrels, but not all of us have a micropenis.
>>78933402>Best way to see whether or not the drill drifted and fucked the barrel.LOL seriously? git gud
>>78933432Didn't know lathes were allowed to post here.
Poster who kicked off that last argument about AP modifiers here. In order to entertain us all by raking over the same subject repeatedly, here is my take, the definitive last word on the subject with which all must surely agree:AP modifiers won't render infantry useless if they're set at a reasonably high bar, with AP4 becoming -1. Makes heavy bolters and autocannons actually worthwhile, while reducing the effectiveness of AP3 and AP2 weapons. AP modifiers would also prevent unfluffy shenanigans like AA sergeants tanking a whole squad's worth of wounds.The survivability of terminators (and other units with invulns) can be fixed by making it so that invulnerable saves are taken in addition to normal saves, rather than instead of. This would make them more resistant to damage of all sorts, but particularly to small arms fire.If a modifier system makes certain choices more effective then it is easier to balance them through points costs than it is under the all-or-nothing 3rd-7th ed AP system.
>>78933986Based and factually correct take.
>>78929131I dunno, Rock-Em Sock-Em Robots from the 31'st Century?
>>78933986>AP modifiers would also prevent unfluffy shenanigans like AA sergeants tanking a whole squad's worth of wounds.They don't - that's possible because of how wound allocation works. If that was somewhat random instead of fixed, nobody would give a shit about AA on sergeants. Except for in challenges. Try again.
>>78929016>500 points in Build your own charactersThe based brings a tear to my eye. Can't wait for my first mech game so I can explain that the tiny, guardsman sized dude in amongst all the robots is the most expensive model and will fuck your shit majorly. (Caleb)
>>78934194>They don't>That's possible because of how wound allocation worksPick one. And in either case, it's something that needs changing, be it a change in how wound allocation functions currently or in an AP modification system.
>>78934310My first Mech game had my Archmagos get immediately gibbed by a shot from the fancy Atrapos weapon. It was a sad moment, as he was about 350 or so points.
>>78934194>If that was somewhat random instead of fixedBut it's not, is it, so they do, don't they. Besides which, random wound allocation has the potential to slow the game down an absolute fuckload once you get into thoroughly mixed units.
>>78934344(not the other anon here)There must be an archive of the thread where I told you to get fucked so go read that or something
Made up some Gal Vorbak but not sure on the primer. Anyone tried this scheme from Duncan? My other army is TS so I've done metallic red but not with contrast. Honestly hard to tell where the organics begin and the armour ends in places.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOskEcPq_UU
>>78930568DMX is dead dude get over it
>>78928821out of scale
>>78917032For the gent who was asking about belt fed pistols.I actually think that all bolters are belt fed or at least capable of accepting belts. In the ttrpgs you can hook them up to back pack ammo feeds so it would make sense
>>78934389Vostroyan face it a little larger, but overall the head is similar sized. The Grognard body size is similar to GW miniatures.
>>78928404>>78928652Repacking into boxes.
>>78934500It's strange that despite CSM being synonymous with belt-feed bolters, you don't really see any in 30k. It's also interesting that belt-feed bolters still feed through the mag well. Some 3rd party ammo belt box conversions, like ones from Anvil, wrap around the receiver and add a feed from the side of the weapon, like usual belt-feed conversions in real life rifles. I don't think it's impossible to have a belt feed through the magazine well, it's just extra complexity one doesn't need, such as stronger mechanism to pull the belt up, rather than across.
>>78934760I figure in 40k the use of belt feeds for CSM is a way of signalling their decay. In practical terms the challenges of making it work that way aren't insurmountable particularly if the intention is that the belts would be stored in a drum which would limit the potential mass of the belt. Definitely requires a level of complexity that would render it impractical in real life though for sure. I've been wondering why the ejection port on the Tigrus pattern is such a departure from the usual slot you see on most others, could be the designer looked at some belt fed guns when making it
>>78934888>could be the designer looked at some belt fed gunsI seriously doubt it was anything as sensible as that, and they revise what the actual anatomy of a bolter is quite often.
>>78934676That fucking Bogdanoff face.>He iz an Heretic?>Shoot him.
>>78935993The plot thickens kek
>>78934369Use the FW paintjob as reference.
>>78935993I believe the head came from the medic model.
>>78933986shut up faggot you post this every couple months and it never stops being wrong. this sounds like dogshit that would make vehicle dominance even worse. Blow it out your ass
>>78937419>make power armour much harder to delete>make terminators significantly tougher against everything>hurr durr this will make vehicles better
>>78938989>Heavy bolters and Heavy Flamers notably better at killing marines>AP 2 pie plates basically unchanged thanks for nerfing like, maxum bolters and the spicula or whatever. makes a huge difference.also your invulve save idea was so incredibly retarded i refuse to acknowledge it. You are, put simply, an idiot. Every time you post this crap people rightly call you an idiot. Fuck off already
Has anyone built a list around a Mastodon? Kinda want to build a fun list around it with my World Eaters or my Dark Angels. Fill it with contemptors and vets and surround it with Sabers and such.
>>78939990Not that I know off. It's just that overpriced in points. There was one IW player who tried it a few times to transport ol' Pert with his Iron Circle of mechanical sex robots across the table. But it was unironically more effective to just footslog and invest the points in more stuff that can kill or distract.
Need some advice for my Laniaskara list. 1500 pts.Ferrox Maniple:-2 reavers with fist, gatling, and carapace vulcans-2 warhounds with vulcan/plasmaSupport:Warbringer with quake cannon, dual volcano cannonsNot sure what exactly to do with the Warbringer. I like the idea of the quake cannon to deal with knights, since I currently don't have anything to deal well with them, and volcano cannons are the only thing that synergize with the quake's range, but that's some heat right there. Or should I go with a support warlord instead?
>>78939990>>78940333Run as a Spartan? Cover one set of sponson, put quad lascannons on the other, tarantula twin-HBs on top and use pintle multi-melta rules for the front melta cannon.
>>78940800>Warbringer packing heatAs it should be
>>78940800>Laniaskarapatrician tasteYour list looks solid, if a little simple. the warbringer will suffer if anyone gets close but since the rest of your list is so aggressive i think it’ll be fine, and the quake will help you control the battlefield if you can strip shields. I generally feel chainfists are better than powerfists but it’s not a big deal. I wouldn’t worry about knights much - your warhounds will fry them like turkeys, even if the warbringer doesn’t. I’d consider shelling out for the anti plasma armor on the warbringer or reavers.
>>78941115I have 1 chainfist and 1 power fist, just wrote "fists" to condense since I hate when people post their longform Battlescribe lists. Should have enough points leftover for armor on everyone actually.
Finished up my Warsmith, Siegebreaker and Dreadnought this week.Tried to get a decent amount of weathering on them without going overboard.Sorry for the shit pictures.
>>78917032>shame the model never got released.Not really, that’s kinda butt-ugly
>>78941382*Insert quote about faith and Word bearers here*
>>78941281I would probably do plasma armor on the reaver/warbringer and the 1 free shield boost upgrade for the hounds. it’s in LL but available to traitors too. Your hounds would probably still melt if any plasma weapons hit them and they really want to boost shields but can’t afford to with that reactor track.Seems like a good list to me
>>78941397You sir have bad taste in butts.
Is there any lore on what late-heresy traitor marines looked like?I've seen some converison of HH marines with the old csm bits from 40k and was wondering if there's any lore on that.
>>78941589>DG: full chaos plague marines at siege, not corrupted before that>SoH: pretty black legion esque by mid heresy, especially post molech>WB: chaosy almost from jump. >TS: pre rubric, not particularly corrupted>IW: not chaosy at all.>NL: Mutations and corrupting only just starting by siege >EC: Hellraiser pretty quickly, by mid heresy they’re full blown freakshow >AL: alpha legion>WE: corrupted in mind early, after the ascension of Angron they start openly worshiping khorne and getting chaos juice. by siege they are about as gribbly as the SoH
>>78941589Probably pretty fucked, seeing that primarchs like Magnus, Mortarion and Angron were daemons by then, DG had pretty much gone plague on the way there, EC were turning raped civilians into drugs to get hard again to rape more civilians, etc. Something like IW and NL might not have been as fucked up.
>>78941589Many legions were full on chaos like the Word Bearers, Death Guard and some Sons of Horus. Other legions had some corruption, there's old art from Vision of Heresy with a full on chaos Alpha Legionare for example.
>>78941589Depends on the legion really.>Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion and 1k sons looked more or less the same.>World Eaters replaced the blue on their armour with reds (and were also always covered in blood)>The Death Guard looked the same right up until the Siege when the got turned into plague marines.>Emperor children had a mix between normal-ish legionaries and really fucked up skin wearing fuckers with melted faces.>Night Lords probably started going over the top with the skulls and skin on their armour.>Sons of Horus and Word Bearers probably looked very similar to Chaos Space marines nearing the end.I would say most stuff from a CSM kit is alright to put on any 30k model, especially the traitors, because most of their armour is older heresy era equipment so it should mostly fit.
>>78941788What about the DA? You forgot them
>>78941825they’ve not even remotely touched the fallen.
>>78941513>a squadron of Iron Warriors' Typhon siege tanks began the Raven Guard at his positionwtf does that even means?
>>78941849began [to fire on] the
>>78941822>>Night Lords probably started going over the top with the skulls and skin on their armour.Implying they weren't like that from the start
>>78941435Yeah, I was going to suggest dipping into the Loyalist Legio book for the universal upgrades as well. How convinced are we at this point that the Warbringer geting Forward Arc instead of Channel on their Carapace weapons was intentional?
>>78941825Got a thing coming up in the next White Dwarf as it happens. From what we've seen of them before in previous codexes and supplements they seem to be majority mostly or fully untouched by mutation with varied armour marks up to and including MKVII, with minis recommended for representing them predominantly being marks four and later
>>78941589I’m making my SoT Death Guard by using the old FW conversion kits on Mk.III marines. I’m painting them sickly green but with the old gold trim still peaking through
>>78941822TS is debateable, there's even an image with them in half red/half blue prior to the Siege, arguably it happened after the rubric though. On the whole you are probably thinking about it wrong though, since it isn't about the legons it is more about the Dark Mechanicum and how much armour it was supplying. Argua bly not that much as most power armour was scavenged and given the casualties there was much more power armour kicking around than marines to fill it, so I doubt much new stuff was getting made. Sure Mark V recycled a lot of it, but even so I don't think much chaos aesthetic really got through till the EoT years with established daemon forge planets.
>>78942587Well they changed it back to -1 at short in the FAQ but didn’t change it to corridor so i’d say i’m convinced.
>>78941788>IW: not chaosy at all.Slaves to Darkness introduces the first Obliterator, so I'd expect a few of those by the Siege of Terra.
>>78933986>AP modifiers won't render infantry useless if they're set at a reasonably high bar, with AP4 becoming -1. That’s a pretty low bar.>Makes heavy bolters and autocannons actually worthwhile, Autocannons are worthwhile due to wounding marines on a 2+ and being able to fuck up light vehicles. A solid balanced weapon. Wouldn’t choose it over a lascannon for the same price, but it isn’t the same price.Heavy bolters are trash but I think much of that is due to the fact that the volume fire difference between them and autocannons is little while autocannons wound marines on a 2+ and are better against vehicles. I would just make heavy bolters heavy 4 to balance them against autocannons.>while reducing the effectiveness of AP3 and AP2 weapons.AP 3 becomes much better as it goes from a specialist to a generalist weapon. If AP 3 becomes -2 for example it is 33% less effective against 3+ but three times more effective against 2+. Furthermore since cataphractii (main source of 2+) have a 4++ anyway AP -2 and AP -3 become identical in effectiveness since in each case they will take the invul save.
>>78933029How about you post an announcement of cancellation as a source then, you mouthbreathing, goalpost-shifting, trifling, all around disgusting smegmonaut?
dead game dead thread.
Other than 30k channel and sometimes miniwargaming. What's good for watching 30k batreps?
>>78946779even gwsg is ded lately ded board ded hobby
So obviously they're going to have Oll get killed by Horus. I think the only way for it to have any emotional impact is for Horus to be *jealous* of Oll. It'll be something along the lines of he'll appear, and Horus will see the Emperor like, looking fondly on his old friend, and then flip out and kill the guy in a jealous rage.
>>78948070Oh also the latest book contextualizes Chaos as white supremacy. You have the far-left POC saying we have to actively fight evil, while the liberal Oll Persson says that freedom of choice has to be preserved because it's not up to them to decide what's "right" and "wrong." You see this sort of debate all the time on the left. The wokeness of this ending depends on who apologizes to who. The "woke" ending will be Oll apologizing to the Emperor and admitting he was wrong, proving that the left have the right idea. The actually woke ending will be the Emperor admitting *he* was wrong, that people fundamentally have a right to choose between good and evil, that it's the most basic choice someone can make, and all sapient lives make this choice.
>>78948070He dies, unceremoniously, because he's in the way.
>>78948144a lot of stupid shit gets posted here about BL. This is the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long, long time.
>>78948536next OP found
>>78948070If Oll doesn't get killed with anything but casual disregard for just happening to be there, I'll be disappointed.
Did 1d4chan got censored in Google search? Direct links to it don't pop up anymore.
>>78950760I think it's because it went down for so long that gooble stopped showing it in search.
>finally moved out of my parents place two years ago>small city in Japan with no hobby community>all my minis are stored in my parents garageI miss it bros
I often see people talk about javelins with a pair of hunter killers, and want to try it myself, but cant find anywhere decent to mount them. Anyone have a picture of a javelin with hunter killers?
>>78949557Imagine an artist looking for reference for a picture of Horus and picking Joe Rogan over a young Marlon Brando.
>>78953043>Horus on Davin doing DMT with Lorgar
>>78951988What was your paint scheme bro?
>>78953477Thats a lot of firepower
>>78953105>Yo Maloghurst, bring up the video
>>78955446>"I'm telling you, Horus, there's test tube babies held in stasis in the Emperor's labs. He's experimenting on human babies! They take fertilized eggs and grow them in these cybernetic vats. That's where the thunder warriors came from.">"You ever seen a thunder warrior just rip a marine in half? It's crazy, man. Those guys will fuck you up. Maloghurst, pull up that pict-cap. Look at this. OH! That brother's dead."
>>78952817This is where I mounted them. Did need to make a small diagonal cut at the bottom end of the hunter killer tubes
is there any statline you could use for Cyrene? Thinking of using her as an objective in an upcoming campaign and it'd be easier to use an existing statline for a plain human if such a thing exists, an astropath maybe.
>>78957671Cyrene is a blind, baseline human with absolutely zero business being anywhere near live fire.T3/1W is generous frankly.
>>78953788Is it though? Two reaper autocannons and a kheres for over a hundred points doesn't seem that impressive to me.
>>78929131https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkLvpt9Z3fAbased i build photonman all the time
>>78957802I mean she'll have a look out sir roll so it's not too important that she is tough, and possibly a ward save of some sort. Some kind of rule where she can't move without being within 3" of a friendly unit could account for blindness.
>>78957671pre perpetual she was literally a normie post perpetual shes a normie with ML 3
>>78955917The infamous Chinese supplement vats.
>>78948144Holy fuck your mind is rotted polnigger
Blackshield medic is done. Reaver lord probably next.
>>78958486Look at those cute lil' stick arms!
Are we actually going to get anything on the 8th during WH fest, or are we being left in the mud again.
>>78961077Don't expect anything
>>78961077don’t be retarded, they’re not announcing anything for HH.
>>78961077They’re going to unveil another “30k army” made of Primaris models
>>78953477The problem with this is on the regular javelin the gunner is kneeling on his seat so the right HK will be pointing at the back of his head>>78957138I really like this though, thanks.
>>78961995Screen capping this so that if this happens we can all blame you.
>>78961077If anything GW is going to be announcing the next thing after HH without saying HH is canceled. I’m guessing Siege of Terra in quarter scale.
>>78962157They’ll probably preview the Khan model and then talk about how they’re moving on after it comes out.
>>78962123Don’t curse me with this. Not again
>>78962238>Show Khan's model.>A year after it releases they shelve Heresy and remove all the Primarchs from the Webstore.
Review my unification war era thousand sons. I know the free hand is awful and I am generally ass at painting so help me. Also, do I do my full squad of MkII jump marines in this or the normal scheme?
>>78963738take a better photo i can’t tell how they look with the flash. shove them in something like a fridge.
>>78963873This is why I get shit commission painted. I’m very unhappy with these and I’m less happy that this took more than 8 hours.
>>78963900>>78963873best picture taking around is in the fridge
>>78963916Actually brilliant, too bad I’m at my friends place and his fridge is so full of hoarded shit that I can’t even fit these in there. I’m actually not even sure how to begin to make these better besides to get someone else to do it. (Well and base them/paint over that godawful freehand attempt at a banner)
>>78963940use pencil lines/tape to shape your freehandBe more patient and slow to get the edges more even. obligatory thin your paints, particularly on the shoulder pads. layers give color depth. Speaking of, work on the crests a bit. there’s a number of ways to make them look better, search around on youtube Be patient both in painting and with yourself. everyone starts somewhere and you only get better by trying and learning by doing.I can’t see how the base armor turned out. otherwise it’s a cool idea i haven’t seen turned into an army so i say keep at it!
>>78964077The base armour really just turned out plain. It’s two coats of GW runelord brass over black primer with a heavy dry brush of canoptek alloy overtop. The colour itself isn’t bad but it really looks like paint on a plastic model as opposed to looking like a painted model if you know what I mean. The shoulder pads are four 50-50 water/paint coats but I ran the glossy jewel paint over top to try to get a different finish - didn’t really do what I want. The free hand is just what it is, I wasn’t risking fucking it up more with another coat. I’m probably going to do away with freehand all together and get some printable transfer paper instead. It’ll take some work colour correcting but I’ve got a couple of very nice printers that should let me get close. I’m really not sure how to get mono-colour marines to look good, there isn’t a contrasting highlight or anything on the scheme I’m going for.
>>78964155Can’t tell if your using a wash on that armor or not but it doesn’t look like you are. Metallics need a wash to give it some depth and not look flat like what you have here. A dry brush isn’t going to cut it.
Squats guy here. Redid my force commander, still has some work to be done on it, but the general colours are down. Not happy with how minimal my shading turned out, but I figure I will fix that tomorrow.Still no clue as to how I'm going to convert up a count as carnadon though. Not without just flat out buying a second russ to cannibalize the parts from it.
>>78964155For the free hand try to find a micron pen. Makes it a lot easier to do the free handing outlines. Then you just have to neatly paint over it. Unless you find a pen in the colour you want then you can just write in your freehand.
>>78957671Everything at 1, with an invulnerable save of some kind to represent her vibe.
>>78933153ESL post and picture
>>78963900Did you wash the metal bits and gold?
>>78962066That's his problem, not yours.
>>78964155Like >>78964712 says, it's all in the wash unless you did it non-metallic metallic. The easiest way to come at it would be the runelord brass spray, then seraphim sepia wash. As for the shoulders, it is probably easier to keep them separate and leave them in a white or grey primer, then do the blue and orange. I get the impulse to get it commission painted but the truth is those painters make it as easy as possible for themselves, get all their equipment ready and use a lot of airbrushing which anyone can do. GW and most online tutorials really cuck beginners by showcasing unrealistic and needlessly complicated methods of painting.
>>78966889Evil Satanic Lyrics.
>>78926074I've just bought my friend's DG - pls gib painting guides
>>78966822What is this an IW?
>>78967001Here you go my smelly friend
Lads, I've been working on a Mechanicum army for a while now and I think it's time to actually sort out my Archmagos, but I have no idea where to take it. My current plan is to either use the Dunecrawler legs and mount Draykavac's Abeyant pulpit on them and slap a fellow on that, or to make something more in line with Urgot. I'm just at a loss for what to do with the Magos upper body. The 40k Mech stuff just doesn't hit right. Do any of you know of any 3rd party bits/STL files or any other sort of ideas or suggestions? I intend on running him as a Myrmidax Archmagos.
>>78967389You don't have to go overboard. The old Magos with irad-cleanser is suppose to have an abeyant as well and it's not that different from the 40k Dominus (40mm base, lots of creepy legs under the robes, etc.)There was that 40k Objective Set that came out with Indomitus that had a tracked pulpit. Could have made a good mobile platform for a more traditional looking Magos standing on it. You also have the option for using Kataphron tacks, either for a their lower body or to mount a platform on top of for them to stand on. There's also the one SoB character and their hovering abeyant type thing, though it has a massive aquila on it (not that it'd be hard to replace it with techy control panels). Or just something like Inquisitor Karamazov and his mobile Dreadnought chair. Shouldn't be too hard to replicate or just straight up convert the model itself. Cover the Inquisitorial symbols with cogs, he's already in robes so replace the sword with a staff, swap the head, and it's golden. Even comes with his own servitor and adept. Swap the multi-melta for a weapon of your choice.
>>78966778Hmm.. I tried agrax earth shade but maybe I didn’t use enough. I’ll go over it again with the sepia and see how it turns out. Thanks hhg!
> Have had Titanicus models since Christmas of 2019> Keep buying more> Never actually painted any of them> Have just spray primed them> Up all night from drinking way too much caffeine and feeling like dog shit from losing yet another 40K game last night> Decide to finally start painting some AT models> Grab my Warlords> Start washing the leadbelcher> Realize that painting them is going to be a colossal pain in the ass because I glued on all of the armor panelsIs it possible to be retarded but not know it because everyone you've ever known was too polite to tell you?The upper bodies of the Warlords were sprayed top down with Gray Seer, and bottom up with Leadbelcher, and the entire lower bodies and the weapons were spray with leadbelcher. I mean painting them is certainly doable, but fuck I could have saved myself so much work if I had just painted them before finishing assembly a year and a half ago.
some competition on the punching scene
>>78969494>ohhohoho, you’re approaching me, Space Wolf?
>>78928330Already happened once with the Leviathan DA once to my dismay, it came back some days later.
>>78967001Here's the old FW one.
>>78934369I enjoy these models immensely and lament Forgeworld's ever declining quality and prestige. Oh how the mighty fall.
>>78969343You know what they say, hindsight is 20/20If you didn't apply colossal amounts of glue there is a chance you can carefully try to disassemble the models.What I do to see how a model looks (and if the pose didn't turn out too homo) is apply only the tiniest drop of glue to parts I'm gonna remove later. Makes it real easy to just tear the model apart again before the undercoat and such. Painting in sub-assemblies is just so much easier with certain models.
Well, the freehand is still the worst garbage out there but a fuckton of agrax earth shade later and I don’t entirely hate these.
I should just go back to painting knights.
>>78969343Are they plastic? If you assembled with super glue you can freeze them for a few hours and snap the glue pretty cleanly off. If it’s plastic with something like GW plastic glue you can very carefully use a heavy solvent to melt them but it will make your plastic really soft usually.
>>78971419>Xestobiax titans>Pre-Prospero TS?
>>78961077Surely they'll announce book 10 which contains the oven ready Dark Mechanicum rules that have been finished for 3 years now and have just been waiting for a bookThey had to move them out of book 8 because it was getting too full and then they had to move them out of book 9 because it was also too full
>>78973358>they had to move them out of book 9 because it was also too fulllol if you actually believe this. it was the shortest book ever by a big margin and introduced a dark mech kill planet (which bligh had apparently planned ages ago) which was clearly intended to include dark mech as a faction there’s only a few possible explanations >not enough models ready>rules not ready >why sell one book when you can sell 2?>they simply aren’t doing dark mech
>>78961077Either nothing or everything, but if the rumours hold any water then now would be the time to reveal it. That said 9th edition Indomitus had a stupid amount of leaks and they didn't announce it until a month before it dropped so we could be waiting till August.
>>78969494One day there'll be a candy coat Thousand Son that isn't awful. I may be dead by then.
>>78973358Hate to break it to you, black books are a thing of the past with HH. If the game is completely shitcanned, they’ll be moving to a release schedule similar to Necromunda or AT of quarterly books covering a small fraction of what was in the black books.
>>78973814>If the game isn’t completely shitcanned
>>78973814there isn’t a scenario in which HH goes in a direction i’m happy with.
>>78973814No anon we're going to get "taller" black books from now on that delve deeper into the content despite being shorter
>>78973858that's true for just about everyone already invested, which is why GW either won't touch it with a 10ft barge pole or will go all out making it 9th edition 2.0.
>>78973905>or will go all out making it 9th edition 2.0.What would be the point of that though, when they already have 40k for that? The established 30k player base isn't gonna like it And the vast majority of 40k players would look at it, shrug, and ask why they should spend even more money to play pretty much the same game - and stick with 40k. Now that primarines have replaced classic marines you can't even lure in marine players with "you can just try it with the army you have" anymore. The scale and the vehicles and equipment are completely different now.
>>78972457It’s a veteran command squad that kept their old armour for ceremonial purposes. My army on the whole is set for the burning of prospero. I’m getting most of it commission painted since I’m a) bad at painting b) don’t really enjoy it and c) moderately allergic to at least GW’s gold paints (even the runelord brass I based these guys in I had to wear a respirator and gloves). The silver pints aren’t that bad and the bronzes aren’t a problem but whatever pigment or additive they use for a few of the golds and the brasses makes my whole face swell up. Pic related is thanks to my commission guy.
>>78933305>>78933351Out of the loop, but does /tg/ dislike the Outer Circle for a specific reason, or is it just nu /tg/ complaining about "da joo yootoober" in general again?
>>78974428It'd make it easier for them to write stuff for since everyone they currently have only really knows how to write rules for 9th edition. Well, aside from the Specialist Games team, and those guys are all gibbering morons who can't even finish sentences or even use the copy and paste function correctly.
>>78974538no he’s been hated for ages because he’s a whiney cunt, a narcissist, makes terrible unedited hours long rants, is addicted to being butthurt but also can’t stop paying GW, lives in a vibrant local scene and hub of HH fan content but doesn’t boost any of it, and is unpleasant in person. not to mention he’s a fat cunt who named himself after a fast food chain. I can’t think of a good thing about him, I guess he appeals to people who need someone else to voice an opinion before they feel like they can have it? his extreme levels of mad about the malgohurst model was really stupid too.
>>78974428AoS and 40k are virtually the same game system, sure one is fantasy but it isn't the game system that GW markets as 'unique'. 9th edition HH wouldn't even be very hard to implement, many RoW are basically Detachments and the fact that so much wargear is the same apart from specialist equipment lends itself very well to the datacard system. Also using the hassle free Psychic phase from 9th ed, borrowed from AoS, is probably very appealling to GW. Remember who is going to be writing this, probbly no one who had anything much to do with the current iteration of the heresy.
>>78974428I feel like they're trying to blur the lines between AoS and the Old World with some of the recent AoS releases so I could see them trying something similar with 40k and 30k
>>78974669His "rants" are fairly reasonable and he explains why he says the things he does. He is fairly Just because he does not worship GW doesn't translate into whinyness, and quotation needed about the fast food chain. Constantly lying about a person just so you can feel better about yourself is scummy anon.>>78967050Is there a site that has compilations or do you just have lots of scans?
>>78975028>i guess he appeals to people who need someone else to voice an opinion before they feel like they can have itproving my point, cheers.>Constantly lying about a person just so you can feel better about yourself is scummy anon.oh do grow up.as for the name thing >macca>maccas
HH has had a budding 2000pt game in my area, so I figured I would work on a 2000pt list and get it all painted and ready and use it as the core of my force. I did what I could to unfuck the Battleshit formatting, so below is what I got. Any thoughts about the list and how to progress forward to 2500 and 3000 points? I have quite a few options available including terminators of both kinds, assault marines, Moriats, destroyers, contemptors, and even a Kharybdis. Hell, I have Curze and Sevatar, too. I'm not super concerned with being hyper competitive. Flavor is the way to go as long as it's not like crippling my game play. Night Lords 2000pts Rite of War: Terror Assault+ HQ +Praetor - Warlord Artificer Armour, Iron Halo Jump Pack Headsman's Axe Chaplain Artificer Armour, Jump Pack Headsman's Axe, Power Axe (Crosius)+ Elites + ApothecaryJump Pack Nostraman Chainglaive+ Troops +Night Raptor Squad x15 3x Hand Flamer 5x Nostraman Chainglaive 5x Power AxeHuntmaster: Artificer Armour, Trophies of Judgement Hand Flamer, Headsman's Axe,Terror Squad x10 Melta Bombs 10x Volkite Charger-Headsman Artificer Armour Nostraman Chainglaive+Rhino Multi-meltaTerror Squad x10 Melta Bombs 10x Volkite Charger-Headsman Artificer Armour Nostraman Chainglaive +Avnilus Dreadclaw Drop Pod+ Heavy Support +Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Armoured CeramitePhosphex DischargerCyclonic Melta Lance Leviathan Siege Claw 2x Twin-linked Volkite Caliver +Dreadnought Drop Pod
>>78975213drop the hand flamers for literally anything else. otherwise looks workable - it’s harder to make a fully balanced list below 2.5k but this will handle most things i bet. i might also trade the anvilus for a rhino, but i don’t think it’s a bad choice.
>>78974990unless you missed the Thousand Son and Death Guard plastics for 40k from the past 5 years it is pretty obvious they were 'blurring the lines' between HH and 40k anyway, or at least tying the two narratives together in the model range which they hadn't done previously. Also in AoS it isn't so much that they want to tie it into fantasy but that they are trying to make new model ranges for existing factions that were based on the fantasy range, back when AoS had barely any new factions.
>>78975288They had the same rhinos at first, but I had the extra points. Dropping the handflamers and reverting to the MM think leaves me with 115pts. Not really sure what to spend it on.
>>78975128Point to where in my post that was the case?>You prove my point because i want to>Grow upPot calling kettle black is lost on you then.
>>78974669This. Outer Circle is for people who don’t realize they’re GW’s abused housewife. If they really cared, they’d stop buying/caring about GW. But instead they waste their lives being angry about something that they really have no control over or hope of ever changing. It just makes them feel like they have some control in their otherwise shitty lives.
>>78975814my point is that you seem to like him because he bitches about GW. GW sucks shit, it’s prices suck shit. and it especially fucks over Aussies. I don’t need him to tell me that over the course of a 90 minute unedited video, i have eyes and a brain and have known this since i started with the HH (which was book 2)As an aussie especially, there’s only so many years you can complain about the price of a luxury imported good before it just becomes whining. Yeah mate i get it, it’s not exactly news and it’s not even GW exclusive - so why are you still buying from them? He could be shouting out the fan projects and tournies round melbourne, he could be playing epic30k - which literally started in his area, he could print his own stuff, he could even play a better fucking game by a better company and try to build a community around it. But instead of doing anything to help himself or his community he just whines endlessly. As the saying goes - piss or get off the pot.
>>78967843See, I want to go overboard and put some actual effort into him. I'd rather him stand out and be interesting.
>>78976130>put some actual effort into himThen don't do Draykavac's abeyant on dunecrawler legs, that's a bitch made conversion everyone and their grandma has made.>stand out Servitors carrying him on a dias or alternatively pulling with ropes and chains his chariot.
>>78975814Macca should open an OnlyFans, he’d make a killing off simp fucks like you.
>>78976226I like the chains and chariot idea. Might see if I can sort something out for that.
>>78976258>tracked platform>dozen servitors in front like horses, pulling on ropes and chains>magos on platform flanked by serfs with vox-casters and printouts>servo skull hovering behind him, holding a mechanicum protective above his head
>>78976330>When your swag is powerful that the entire Antagonid line ceases to be
>>78975213The pod on the terror squad is useful as you can hold back the levi if its not useful to drop it t1. I would use a normal pod though. Terror squads are better at shooting then melee, so you're not really gaining much with the dreadclaw.As other anon said, handflamers are shit (for the price).I think you would be able to fit a couple of javelins in if you make those changes. Gives you some mobile firepower which you're lacking a bit.I would also drop the chainglaive on the apothecary. He only has one attack and raptors get it cheaper, so give the raptors more, if thats what you want.If you're a bigdick madlad (tm), you could make all these changes and squeeze in a boxnaught and pod. You can go flamestorm and fist/chainfist to bother infantry, or go full ironclad, with double clawfist, x2 gravgun and x2 HK missiles. Drop and ruin somd vehicle's day.Over all looks for for 2k though.
>>78963900>>78964155Anon if you really want to improve on your painting, I strongly recommend checking out some videos.https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQybQSJNR3RU9_eHGYWpbloR3U62kbTs2In particular the true metallic silver and gold videos will blow your mind, but this guy is gold for really teaching and explaining painting techniques.
>>78976330You could literally use those mechanicus 40k horses, that would be neat.
>>78976660But then where will you get the enjoyment of seeing lesser people grovel and toil in front of you?
>>78976700The horses don't do any work, they're standing on an EVEN LARGER platform looking pretty, which is in turn dragged/carried by the unwashed scum.
>>78976787so use the gimp walkers with the top taken off so its just the gimp walking
>>78976660>mechanicus 40k horse dogsAT scale Warbringer titan with fists or a fist and one gun converted to be whatever the Magos bought for itself (like a conversion beamer). Put some of the 40k horse dogs (or Thunderwolves with all the cybernetic bits on) on a leash held by one or both of the titan's fists. Replace carapace weapon with the Magos' throne/control platform.
>>78961077WE'RE GETTING IT ALL BROSCODE 30 IS HERE AND IT'S REAL
>>78976647I’ll check this out, I defiantly struggle with the metallics. I find painting isn’t something I really enjoy the act of doing so I tend to avoid it but it makes getting conversions looking good a hell of a lot easier.
>>78977161To get a good tier paint job honestly doesn't require great skill. Understanding of colour theory and various painting techniques will make a dramatic improvement to your paintjobs.Most people just grab some paints and figure it out themselves, or follow terrible guides (especially gw ones). At best it shows you how to imitate someone elses work, but doesn't really teach you anything. There's nothing wrong with that, but people having been paint for hundreds of years and developed all these great ideas we can use. People just don't really look because models are a different medium, but the techniques and ideas are still the same.
>>78976930The only good thing about a conspiracy theory is you can never prove it. Whatever is going to happen to HH is going to be disappointing as fuck, not sure why’re you’re putting some much hope on the back of whatever the fuck ‘code 30’ is.
did this get errataed at some point or is BS wrong?Red book says that I can take 20
>>78977995battle scribe is always wrong. why do people bother with it?
>>78978108Because no one here actually reads the rules/owns them and relies on some shitty app to make armies.
>>78977316I started with a couple GW guides but really I’m just trying shit out now. I’m just not enjoying it as much as I do for say, building custom models. So really I just plan on getting the most basic level of quick painting learned well and then get the art of water slide decals down and learn to print, colour correct and work with those well for details.
>>78978128>>78978108Nooo, you aren't allowed to have convenience
>>78976930GW already realizes that recasters have destroyed any market they might have in the 30k scene. GW is either going to quietly stop supporting the game, switch to Epic scale or just continue along the same path of minimal investment.
>>78978183Sure is convenient not coming up with proper lists ever.
>>78978183It's not convenient if it's consistently wrong or non-functional.
>>78976819This sounds fucking metal
>>78978184the question is, will they learn from this and lower the fucking prices so that people can afford to buy from them instead of recasters?
>>78978183I have literally never needed it in the 13 years i’ve played tabletop. I haven’t even played HH in 3 years and i can still slap lists together mentally. Pen and paper or a word doc is all you need to finish a list after that and, based on the battlescribe lists i see posted, using the app actively makes it harder.
>>78978471no because they can never compete with recaster prices and make a profit/cover overhead.
>>78978184>switch to Epic scalei honestly think epic30k would be a financial disaster. a niche of a niche of a niche - and they were beaten to the punch. Decent rules out, great models for 90% of the units already exist at prices GW couldn’t hope to compete with. I’d guess a significant portion of everyone who could be interested in the game already plays it. Hell if they made an official version i’d bet the printing market gets bigger not smaller.
>>78975990I don't disagree, but to be fair. Most of them are probably now buying recasts, and simply using the books they already have.
>>78978591Cool, so why bitch and moan? It's literally the cringiest thing you can do in the hobby.
>>78978581You realize they'll just C&D the people who make the living Epic rules as well as anyone who makes models too similar to their range? Also look at Blood Bowl, that game was supported for year by third parties and as soon as Blood Bowl 2016 came out it still sold like crazy. You give third party too much credit to being able to compete with GW.
>>78978581When it comes to buying official models or offbrand Spess Mehrines, 9/10 people will go official. Why do you think forumware was so popular and then go shutdown?
>>78978634You can't C&D people for making fan rules. You can to stop them printing said rules and selling them though, as well as models of course.
>>78978581You overestimate the amount of people who know Epic is a thing let alone are willing to get into a fan supported game.
>>78978634>>78978671I disagree specifically about printing, and because people already have entire epic30k armies. if it’s epic 40k it’s different, but 30k? printed models are pennies, let alone if you make them yourself. it’s a totally different market. I think the intersection of people who like epic, who like 30k and who arent penny pinching/anti gw/printer pilled is very small.
>>78978748i doubt the number of people who would play official epic30k is much higher.
>>78978612It's literally just the opposite of the GW dick suckers on youtube.
>>78979352is that supposed make macca sound less like a tosser?
>>78979352TOC is basically mad that people enjoy shit? Seriously pathetic.
>>78978634>You realize they'll just C&D the people who make the living Epic rules>GW sends Netepic and the rest C&Ds>They ignore them because they aren't making profit off GW's product and GW has zero case against them>as well as anyone who makes models too similar to their range?Weird how they don't do that with 40k.>>78978700>as well as models of course.Not really. The Chapterhouse lawsuit illustrated that the only real grounds GW has outside of directly copying their designs (eg. someone literally recasts a primaris space marine and sells it) for suing third party manufacturers is when they use copyrighted words, names, and phrases. So you can't for example sell "Primaris Space Marine Captain with Power Axe" even if it is an entirely unique model, but you can sell a "Mangus Space Commando Centurion with Monoedged Axe."
>>78979399He's in the meh category on yt, most of the content available is really bad. I have no idea why he had an autistic meltdown over Maloghurst, but I thought the Tarvitz model looks bad ymmv
>>78978471They will never be able to compete with recasters because they need to pay the sculptor.Recasts will literally always be the cheaper option and the goalposts will be moved even if they did reduce their prices.
>>78979486chapterhouse set a precedent that if they don’t yet offer models for existing rules they can’t do anything if someone else does didn’t it?
>>78978183>Convenient>Did you make sure to select your allegiance>Did you make sure to select your FoC>Did you make sure to select what sub-army you are using>Did you make sure to specify who your warlord is>If not those will read as errors and you won't know if your list has anything wrong with it unless you actively read the error messages every two secondsI literally only use it at work to kill time. A PDF and my knowledge of my army and its workings allow me to make a list much faster than BS with far less effort.
>>78929131>all that useless fleshDisgusting
>>78976496It's funny because a box naught is something I actually don't have. I don't anyone would expect a boxyboi, so I kind of want to try it. I have two drop pods, so I could do it. I also have another DDP, too. I'll see what my NL options are for a bricknaught.
>>78979887I bought an old metal chaos boxnaught so I could do this with my WE as the flamstorm variant. I'm planning on getting a normal ironclad as well because I think its a cute model.Most people forget they can take a normal pod, its really their only advantage of either contemptor variant, but its a literal pain in the ass to deal with for its cost, and can't really be ignored.Distraction carnifex/10.
>>78979964I'll have to find a way to night lords it up. I might use the 'decor' from the Leviathan to do it, actually. Now to hunt for one.
>>78978337It's like he's riding one of those mini excavators all pimped out while commanding big excavators.
Getting back into the game and the novels… is The First Wall worth $17?
>>78980953You could do some fun things with hunter killer missiles. Think 40k chaos daemonhead things for lascannons etc... but actual human heads, eyes plucked out, missiles peeping out of their gaping maws... Could be cool.
>>78938989>Terminators need to be made tougher>It currently takes 36 bolter shots to kill a single justaerin>Your retarded ass wants to make it take 72 bolter shots to kill a single justaerinThat's just mind numbingly bad and hell this would mostly benefit me too>Play Mechanicum>It would take 61 BS 4 plasma gun shots (assuming AP -3) to kill an archmagos prime lachrimallus>It would take 972 bolter shots at BS 4 to kill said archmagos prime lachrimallus>It would take a blob of 20 world eaters with chainaxes (assuming AP -1) 8 turns of attacking while the lachrimallus did literally nothing to finally kill him and this isn't taking into account IWNDYou are literally the dumbest nigger to ever post in this thread. Please never post again.
>>78982005I moved on over to the other thread btw >>78983284