Trying to find out what the best rpg system would be for a campaign set within the Nasuverse, Plus just general ideas for plot threads and ideas as well The campaign would be more akin to Lord Melloi, Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai side of things rather than the fate side of things. Ones that I know of so far: Kamigakari Mage the Ascension/Awakening Fate: The Unauthorized Nasuverse RPG (though I've heard that's a mess) BESM/OVA The untranslated Unofficial FGOTRPG FATE
Cortex PrimeI'd be surprised if there's no.hack for.it yet
>>78851294>untranslatedWhy hasn’t anyone translated it yet?
Just use Fortuna
FATE handles the massive differences in power level and asspulls well. It also allows you to map all the Nasu autism to concepts/fractals and thus have some manageable crunch out of the box.Either play it really fast and loose with Accelerated or treat Fate Condensed like a toolkit system and dig deep into the parts you want to focus on and homebrew them in. If that sounds like a gargantuan task for all of Nasus autism, relax, FATE lends itself well to handling shit with it's own mechanics out of the box and later building your own systems if they get a lot of use.
>>78851294Funnily enough, FATE works brilliant for anything Type-Moon.
>>78854604TYPE-MOON is unironically full of elitists with a very lazy translation scene even for Fate stuff.
>>78851294Use FATE for Fate stuff. I used it once for a small campaign. It requires creativity from the players but if they can nail said stuff you'll have a fun campaign.
>>78851294Kamigakari is very much more on the Fate side of things since it's a more combat focused system. If you're focusing on the mystery and esoteric magic aspects, I have had Japanese people recommend CoC. That's what the Nasuverse RPG is based off of. The Japanese TRPG scene is also really into CoC and Nasu himself is a big fan of it iirc so I think that's a good place to start.
>>78858394CoC is based on BRP right?OP could use that if you want something crunchier that fate.
>>78851294Reminds me how someone made a bunch of scenarios inspired by Type Moon stuff for April Foolshttp://munkustrap.nobody.jp/21april/index2.html
>>78851294I used Anima for my campaign
If you want something diceless, notepad anon's fate lonely dance might work
>>78851294Nasu "borrowed" heavily from Vampire (Tsukihime) and Mage (FSN), just use the lore with another system.
>>78857604Well, there’s got to be someone willing to do it, right?
>>78864064Has anyone gotten their hands on a copy of the FGOTRPG ?
>>78851294I toyed with using City of Mists (bit of an RPG heavy, rules lite system). System itself has a bit of a persona vibe to it. The unmodified system has you assign two sets of tags to your character that definite their personality, then another two to your Mythos, which tends to be a thing from legend/folk tales. You then state which tags your using whenever you make a roll to get modifiers.Figured it would probably work quite well assigning sets of tags to the mage, then others to the servant.
>>78864737System is quite nice where you can do stuff like "break" tags for bonuses, but renders them unusable for a bit. No rules for mana regen through sexy dolphin times sadly. You'd have to sort that out yourself.
>>78851294Fuck the King
>>78852226Honestly couldn't find one unfortunately though I found a bunch of other hacks of it that i'd use in the future.>>78854604Pretty much this >>78857604>>78856248>>78857545>>78857634Thanks anons>>78858394>>78859305That's actually a pretty intresting idea with the CoC stuff so i'll defintley have a look into this>>78860589Yo big ups my guy, this is great, they even look like they're made for Call of Cthulhu! Big thanks my guy.>>78860606I'll have a look into thanks anon>>78861579Aye they were some of the intiial rpgs I considered when I first started looking into this.>>78864607I think someone in the japanese rpg thread that pops up from time to time had it, might be worth looking through the archive.>>78864737>>78864775Cheers anon
>>78861268This looks interesting thanks anon.
>>78865030Quick question, was her relationship with Guinevere romantic at all or purely political?
>>78869364In fate I think it was purely political though they were friends.
>>78866822Glad to hear that the Bad Quarto scenarios might work! I'm still trying to figure out the mechanics and how everything works by using DeepL translator but it looks promising.
>>78869364Pure political, reason why Artoria didn't mind Guinevere having an affair with Lancelot.
>>78851294>Plus just general ideas for plot threads and ideas as wellTake inspiration from Prelude/Tsukihime II and have the main goal of the PCs be stopping the Aylesbury Valesti Ritual. It's a good way to have mages, church executioners, Dead Apostles, and other kinds of supernatural weirdos ally together for a cause.
>>78872002Didn't Guinevere and Lancelot into some serious trouble because of that affair, IIRC?
>>78876034Yup, though it was because Agravain found out and told everyone, which sparked a bunch of rage (even though Artoria personally didn't care).Also I was wondering, how exactly would CoC work with a FGO campaign?
>>78878117Use BRP. It's not perfect but you could probably homebrew servants to an extent.
>>78879835He had some issues, yeah.
>>78851294>Fate: The Unauthorized Nasuverse RPG (though I've heard that's a mess)I've taken a look at that and it's shit. First off it's not really a system, it's a mod on some existing obscure RPG and you need that RPG's core book to even run the game. Secondly it's one of those systems that autistically stat out everything in minute detail and your character sheet becomes a mess of meaningless skills. Thirdly it's unbalanced as fuck. Fourthly the guy who made it takes all criticism and improvement suggestions as personal attacks.
It was like 6 years ago but there was a Fate/Only War I think? It got changed to Type-Terra and was based on a 40k system. His google drive links are dead. It might be that one the anons are saying is a mess.
>>78881176>His google drive links are deadWhere else could we find it?
>>78881176Nah it's not, I don't know about that specifically, but Fate: The Unauthorized Nasuverse RPG is the one that is a mess as this anon>>78880555details.
>>78882338Have an ask in the PDF share thread maybe. I'm actually gonna do that, see if anyone's got it.
>>78880231wtf i love agravain now
>>78851294Bumping this thread, also has anyone successfully ran a nasuverse esque campaign? I've heard that Kamigakari is best for running something like Juju. Also make way for best girl
>>78857604>>78864064>>78866822I ended up learning Japanese cos typemoon. And as one of the elitist that is so true. The French are better than us at translating lol
>>78858394>>78859305One reason why CoC took off in Japan is because people would animate and put their stories on NicoNico. When I lived in Japan I was surprised to see that COC was the most popular TTRPG
>>78882338I can't find any links. Maybe the other anon will have luck.>>78883727Isn't it just an add-on to d20? May as well ask since its topical atm.
>>78881176Never heard of that one. How does it work?
>>78888537Nobody knows since its been lost to time.
>>78884786You almost had it anon
>>78889392fuck Touko, Aoko's 100% betterTrue Magic >>>>>>>>>>>> puppet retardation
Anyone has links to good campaigns (preferably FGO)? Doesn't matter if it's in Japanese
>>78860589>>78890705This very link here anon.
>>78892242My bad I meant to say recorded campaigns on like youtube or NND>>78892298onegai ruvia-san...
>>78893834>youtubeI didn't think there would be anything worth talking about but I did a very quick search on youtube and found a guy who posts videos about his Fate/Type Moon campaign using his homebrew based on, you guessed it, 5e. A comment a year ago said he still didn't want to release them for the public since it was still in the playtesting stage.But given that it was using 5e, I wouldn't hold my breath for it
>>78894107More like CoC for autists
In this trove for japanese rpgs it has Fate Overflow which looks like a fate rpg:https://mega.nz/folder/8FkkVAyD#ILF801YZzCu6Dkyk1-bOTg/folder/8UdFGSIY
>>78895749As a quick note it's untranlasted, i'm not sure if it's the fgo rpg or if it's another untranslated japanese fate rpg.
>>78895774>untranlastedCringe. Is anyone up for the job of translating it please?
>>78896496Honestly, your best bet is using DeepL to understand the basics of it, cause it'll be hard to find someone willing to translate it.
>>78898846>DeepLNever heard of that. And why would it be so hard?
>>78902814What exactly "is" so bad about WoD? I've never played their games.
>>78905696Combat is a mess and the mechanics of some splats are poorly thought outSome books have awful layout/formattingSome of the writing is bizarre (FATHER'S THRUSTING COCK)Playerbase is either emos or sjws
>>78899757People rarely do translations for free (unless they're really into the source material). Even then, it might take a while.
>>78906364>(unless they're really into the source materialWell, Fate is really popular, so there ,ight be hope there.
>>78851294Who's your favorite Servant and why? I like most of the Servants, so I'll just say Rider for her big sister act towards Sakura.
>>78905866>FATHER'S THRUSTING COCK)Is that an actual canonical thing from those games?
>>78913416Goth genderbent king Arthur
Alright since one of the things from the OP was for story related ideas, how about some plot hooks or ideas that would work for a type moon setting. Whether this be Holy Grail War based or just set within the general world of type moon doesn't matter. So as a quick one, perhaps the player characters could go investigating a rouge magus who was doing some shady shit, whether that could be them becoming a dead apostle or maybe becoming a demi servant could both work.
>>78918820Though thinking on general urban fantasy story hooks and ideas would probably work well enough with a bit of tweaking for general type moon setting
>>78918820>>78873169Another one could be that maybe a descendants of one of the demon hunting families went a big crazy and is out murdering people at night that they consider mixed bloods
>>78851294How does your system handle oyakodon?
>>78919397>Scathach canonically has a sister and daughter>no Oyakodon>no ShimaidonI am disappointed.
>>78918820Honestly a campaign that focuses on the Rail Zeppelin would be cool.
>>78913416Gilgamesh or Heracles because they are the strongest
>>78918820I always loved the idea of a small class of clocktower magi doing odd jobs for their teacher, who is both too apathetic and too powerful to do it himself.
>>78922989>nipples: covered>pussy: covered>Anon: triggeredall is well
>>78921747What about the visual designs of the Servants, who's your favorite there?
>>78851294Anime Beyond Fantasy
>>78927655What modifications would it need, if any?
>>78930023It would need you to go fuck yourself bumpfag.
>>78851294I would recommend the homebrew persona hack of Monsters and Other Childish Things. It's called the Velvet Book.
Fate posters should jack off first and get good taste second, jesus wept.On topic, the problem with a Fate rpg is that you've basically got 2 sets of PCs running around in the same world, and you can't have a group that's split between the two types. Either, you have a group of mages, sending out servants, and then it's almost like a tactics style game which I bet translates poorly to tabletop (especially if you're doing the fgo multiple servants bit). But, if you want to make your own character, this is the only way to do that, since otherwise your adopting a historical character, although I guess since Nasu has no regard for history there's no reason for you to either. Or, you could do a campaign where all players are servants, and then have the master just be an NPC quest giver basically. This could probably work gameplay wise, but I bet a lot of players would be unhappy that they don't get to have a big titted rule 63 historical figure to jump their dick "for mana", or the fact that Fate in all current incarnations is about the masters, so not being a master means you're mostly playing another system except with an ultimate ability If you tried to do a game with some players being masters and some servants, the group would have to be very very tight and I literally cannot imagine a game where that goes well and doesn't devolve into degeneracy or salt.
>>78930300Shit, I totally forgot about the Velvet Book. Might as well check it out in case I ever run a Fate campaign. Thanks anon
>>78930909That's good advice regarding the possibility of running a grail war game however the OP post literally says in it's second line.>The campaign would be more akin to Lord Melloi, Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai side of things rather than the fate side of things.
>>78930909What exactly is the problem with Fate? What Nasuverse content do you like the most and why?
>>78930909>>78918820I mean you could also have the pc characters be demi/psudeo servants as well, heck you could have the whole war take place with all the masters as psudeo/demi servants.
>>78851294>OVANo power / spell creating framework of note.>BESMDebuffs and buffs don't exist.I'd either use hero or gurps, personally, but you might get some luck out of one of the marvel RPGs, or if it's going to be a combat-lite game where it's shortcomings won't be highlighted, maybe mutants and masterminds.
>>78934154>with all the masters as psudeo/demi servants.That sounds could, but how would you justify it in-setting?
>>78936548Alternate world, ala the apocrypha/strange fake where that is how the servant system was developed or as an off shoot grail war like labyrinth where someone got their hands on the research done by Marisbury Animusphere on making someone into a demi servant like mash. Could even have that person be the villain of the campaign, with them doing so they could get the abilities and skills of age of heroes/god caster, which i'm surprised more magus haven't attempted to do just to learn from them.
>>78936617Wasn’t there canonically a timeline where everyone on Earth has a Servant, or is that just me? Maybe something like that would work?
>>78938107Yeah the servant universe where their is only one master.
>>78884786I just made a small list of available servants from each class, I changed some stuff for some families and I just used the Install-thing from Fate/Illya (Basically each master had a doll. They would get the servant as a card. They could either install the card in the doll and utilize some of its powers. If they wanted to fully use the Servant's power, they would have to install it on them. That way, I also solved the "What can I do" issue, since they could outright play the fights themselves and not just watch them from a far.)They also had the choice of Berserker (Although nobody took it). I used two NPC Masters so I can utilize a small plot. The Church's official was a character that wanted to be a Master and they would try, from time to time, to influence a servant to make a pact with them. The main plot was that one of the NPC Masters wanted to release Anra Mainiiu in the world. They would search the Greater Grail and try to sacrifice as many people as possible to release him. Unfortunately, an issue I had was that you can't play with every player on the table at the same time. So I just setup a Discord server, with each player having a 1-on-1 session and they would play each day. It was like a Visual Novel in terms of stuff that would happen each day. Also, they could make an alliance with another master (and I would make a new hidden room for those two, so they could still talk to me privately.) Lastly, I had another room with some general daily info like "News: Late at night there was an explosion in this school." and other stuff like that.
>>78938441(continuing) Some other things I wanted to say but couldn't fit them is that I would roleplay the Servants and I said that the game would be played as it is in terms of deaths. We had a few people that died kinda early, others that betrayed the alliance they were. The sad thing is that they all lost at the end, since they didn't try to defeat the other NPCs and they ignored all the signs I gave them. So it was a bad ending. I can also provide info on the small homebrewed setting I made if anyone wants stuff.
>>78926440Gilgamesh (only when he's in his armor), Saint George, and Archer
>>78938107Yep, Fate Requiem. First volume was translated a while back if you want more information about it
Fuck servants, where are my Dead Apostle niggas at
>>78938590Fuck Dead Apostles, where my True Ancestor niggas at?
>>78869364Polotical although there WAS that one situation where Merlin made Artoria a futa for a night to try and get a child to kill two birds with one stone to not only solve the Heir to the throne issue but also quell any potential rumors regarding the King.Unfortunately it did not work according to plan and thus Mordred was born iirc.
>>78938441>>78938452That's honestly a pretty good way to get around the servant pc issue, forgot about prillya.
>>78851294Who's your favorite Crypter? It's close, but mine is picture related.
>>78944458Having to deal with her issues throughout the lostbelt.. Boy did it make me enjoy her far less. So far I'm actually sort of enjoying Beryl Gut for just being so unabashedly one of the biggest assholes. I'm curious to see what his Lostbelt will be like given what it's been described as so far.
>>78933296Most of my salt with Fate comes from FGO, since it's a hellish gacha game. Outside of that, almost everything is an exception to the rule, which makes the universe's rules feel incredibly flimsy and a lot more like guidelines.The Only Assassin Allowed In The Assassin Class Is Nameless Hassan, Because Everyone Else Was Named And That Makes Them Not True Assassins (tm), except for all the other assassin characters. The entirety of the caster class being basically artists and creatives. The fact that some servants appear how they were in their prime, some how they wish to be seen, or some how the world viewed them.Liz. Yes, I know there's Carmilla but having Liz kind of undermines that. Tangentially, the fact that Fate, FGO especially, likes to sweep historical personality under the rug to make waifus. As much as I think Jack is a cool idea and character concept and a good subversion of the idea of the assassin class, because fucking everything is an exception, it's a lot less cool.Anyways, F/0 is far and away my favorite, humans trying to keep up with Heroic Spirits, the intrigue and the plot were fantastic. So far it's felt like the darkest and most fully realized version of a grail war, which is what I really think makes Fate unique and cool.>>78934154I think a demi/pseudo servant game could work, and I totally forgot about them. For me though, I think it would be side-stepping what makes Fate unique (the master servant bond) to make it a historically themed high power anime game, which would be fun in its own right. City of Mist would probably actually work amazing for a game like that, trying to balance the forces of the Heroic Spirit and yourself without going too far to the other. You'd need to reflavor the titular mist some, but I bet it would take minimal effort. Anyways, have a cute Saber so I'm contributing something meaningful.
>>78946506>The Only Assassin Allowed In The Assassin Class Is Nameless Hassan, Because Everyone Else Was Named And That Makes Them Not True Assassins (tm), except for all the other assassin characters.Isn't that just in the Fuyuki ritual was set up/modified by the Einzbern?Jus like how it was set up so you weren't able to summon Japanese servants (until Assasin lel)
>>78946506Honestly that's just kind of how Type moon stuff seems to work. Everything is exceptions.
>>78946506>The entirety of the caster class being basically artists and creatives.The real true restriction on Caster classes was they are reduced more (in theory) to a support role to support their master. Can't remember where I found the information but basically the typical mage is so damned vainb as well as overly paranoid of other mages that they intentionally nerfed the hell out of the Caster class for that reason and made Item Creation a universal class skill.Now I said 'in theory' earlier because even WITH those nerfs in place, ancient Casters like Medea have access to long lost and forgotten magecrafts that despite those nerfs, the long lost magecrafts blow the HELL out of modern magecraft by comparison.
>>78947267The Fuyuki grail wars are an exercise in how much you can break the system to win without that blowing up in your face.
>>78946656>Everything is exceptions.Why exactly is that? Does it have to do with a quirk of the setting’s metaphysics?
>>78949154Fuck off bumpfag
>>78947394Didn’t an attempt to cheat by summoning an actual god nearly lead to the destruction of the world? Big mistake there.
>>78946506Saber is best king and best fate tomboy
>>78951996Not sure which war that might be referring to, if it's something that occured in Grand Order, well... those events go way beyond usual grail war stuff, most of the events aren't even true grail wars.
>>78949154More like has to do with Nasu's overall fast and loose soft magic system that pretends to be hard magic. He makes everything very vague and technobabbly on purpose to build up more structure then there really is which also makes it far easier to explain away 'exceptions' to the rules.And yet I can't help but love the way it's handled. It shouldn't work but it somehow kinda does just barely.
>>78851294considering that the original stories were literally based off old World of Darkness campaigns, I wonder what would be the best to use for an urban setting, with secret magical and supernatural people having underground fights away from the mortals of the world. Must be D&D.
>>78953302>considering that the original stories were literally based off old World of Darkness campaignsthey were?
>>78953227I think anon is talking about the third war, Einzbern tried to summon the literally Angra Mainyu, instead they managed to summon a scapegoat who at some point obtained the title of all the evils of the world that managed to corrupt the grail etc etc
>>78953302Do you have any sources for that.
>>78919397What is oyakodon?
>>78954311Fucking a mother and a daughter I think
>>78954311>oyakodonIt's a dish with both eggs and chicken.
>>78938502Don't the protagonists eventually become FGO Servants?
>>78938107>>78938502Just when I though the premises couldn’t get any stupider
>>78960976EVERYONE in the Nasu verse will eventually become a FGO servant. the Gacha train has no brakes.
>>78953588Yeah that’s what I meant. BTW, that Servant was the first example of the Avenger class to appear.
>>78952032What about Mordred? Does she come close?
>>78962212Chess has standardized and universally agreed upon rules.The existence of chess variants doesn't change those rules.
>>78966556It does when every game played is a “variant”
>>78967163Ideally the grail war has an specific set of rules. In practice no one wants to play by them because the prize is a wish and the alternative is death, so most participants will either bend the rules intentionally or be affected by consequences made in a previous war. It didn't even start as a competition in the first place, so there's no real referee to police that everyone's playing by the rules aside from the clearly biased church.If the war continued after the fifth some kind of consistent rules may have been developed but the fact that it took 60 years for a game to begin and only insane people get to be chosen it isn't a surprise more than half of the grail wars end with someone figuratively and literally blowing up the chessboard.
>>78967479In other words many would totally cheat at chess if the prize was anything they wanted, the consequences for losing is death and there's no one to disqualify you from using the chessboard to beat up your opponent.
>>78967479I’m not so much talking about the Fuyuki grail wars as the spin-off “grail wars”. Take Apocrypha, for example. Why the fuck would the grail care if all the masters were on the same side? To the creators of the grail, that would be the ideal scenario, a near surefire success. Not to mention the fact that summoning over twice the amount of servants would take over twice the amount of energy, and the grail had literally just finished charging for a normal war. Or FGO, which keeps the grail as little more than a macguffin.
>>78967527That's a really nice comparison anon.
>>78967588You're forgetting that there are different kinds of grails; lesser and greater. The greater grail DEFINITELY gives a fuck when the rules are bent and tries to do some course correction when it can, but it's not exactly intelligent so it usually just pops out a ruler to deal with the problem. The lesser grails are drooling babies that do whatever.
I fucking LOVE me some Fate but for an RPG I'd rather not be in a grail war - the setting is already pretty full of interesting stuff without servants thrown into the mix.
>>78967952Tbh I agree fully, still would want to do a grail war style campaign at some point but the wider world of the nasuverse is what really interests me
>>78967952It also feels like the most explored part, to the point it gets twisted into weird variants.I'd love to play all the underexplored aspects of the nasuverse.
>>78851294What do you think of the Servant classes? Do you have a favorite class in particular?
>>78972850Maybe /a/ is better for discussing Fate and related if it's not in a gaming context?
>>78972850Probably Caster, I just like the idea of Territory Creation. Plays into all the legends of the wizard holed up in a tower somewhere, scheming away.I have some issues with the whole idea of the class system though. There are far too many examples of the system being stretched in order to fit a character in somewhere they really shouldn't. Riders have it the worst, something like half of them are there because they have a tentative connection with a mode of transport. Genghis Khan would be a good example of someone who could be a Rider, not some schmuck who's there because they probably owned a horse. The extra classes are unneeded bloat, and should be removed or folded into one 'Extra' category.
>>78938502Isn't Erice the daughter of a Divine Spirit Servant, making her more or less a modern demigoddess?
Who's actually up for a Kara no Kyokai/Tsukihime style campaign?Someone doesn't seem to want the thread to slide off, so let's see at least if we can set something up before it hits bump limit.
>>78976863Your "someone" is bumpfag. He will post something dumb every time the thread gets to page 10. It's usually in the form of base questions. He doesn't play games and he doesn't want to.My vitriol aside, best of luck with getting a game and good on you for taking initiative.
>>78976863>Kara no Kyokai/TsukihimeWhich cast is more badass? Which series would win in a fight, Death Perception Eyes and all?
>>78978574AFAIK, KnK Shiki can canonically keep up with some of the weaker servants, albeit only while fighting defensively
>>78880231>tfw your perfect kingdom gets ended by your Prime Minister's incel rage
>>78976863I'm the original op, didn't think the thread would last this long but i'm up for knk/tsukihime style campaign
>>78978574Well, in Melty Blood Shiki Ryougi tears through just about everything in her way. Her storyline ends with her squaring up to Arcueid in full Archetype:Earth mode with the implication that either one could come out on top. Ryougi is all kinds of bullshit, her eyes don't put her under the same strain as Tohno's so she can actually use them for extended periods without her brain exploding. If she gets in melee range and her opponent doesn't have servant-tier reflexes they're dead. I'd say the Tsukihime cast is stronger overall, because Arcuied and Aoko are overpowered. But, the Knk cast are probably prepared to get meaner, which could swing it.
>>78913416Tomoe Gozen, due to her fantastic design and her characterization as a mighty warrior-woman who retained her femininity and devotion to those she loves. Plus she’s an excellent Archer, with a panoply of proficiencies in the Naginata, martial arts and katana which are used to show she’s not at all a one-trick pony.
>>78980962Only if it's her third personality in charge. She is a case of an INSANELY OP power on a body that is pretty subpar compared to everything else in the Nasu Verse. But even with that said, her power is so OP she is still considered by Nasu the second strongest character, despite the fact that in a straight 1v1 with most servants she would loose. She pretty much has to take them by surprise, let them underestimate her threat level, can't be a straight fight.
>>78880231Been a while since I did that Singularity, I had completely forgotten that he said that. Wow. Just wow.
>>78913416Cu Chulainn, because of his actions in the finale of UBW and because he’s a cool dude who gets shafted by Fate (pun not intended). Hope we get to see him use Warp Spasm in some Fate media sooner or lately. It ought to be pretty gnarly all things considered.
>>78976863>>78983093Alright, what system would be the best fit for that aspect of the Nasuverse? Especially if things like Death Perception are included?
>>78993210My vote is for FATE or OWoD.
>>78851294Cortex Plus maybe ?
I'm gonna vote for FATE too, mostly because it's rules-light enough to pull the Nasu asspulls and it's relatively simple.Cortex Prime/Genesys might be also good alternatives, but I don't have much experience with those. Cortex is more of a toolkit system that you pick and chose what mechanics to use, but its layout is a mess, and my brain for some reason never manages to wrap around to how Genesys does combat.inb4 bumpfag replies to this to get us to page 1
>>78994759>Cortex PlusWhy that system in particular? I haven’t played it.
>>78997415It's good for relationships in general, so if you're running an Fate game, you can put values like justice, power, honor and love in an separated sheet, which will influence your dice result.If you are running an Tsukihime/Melty Blood/KnK game, you can use those sheets with organizations like the Mage's Association and the Church. So it's easy to track and manage your character interactions while building the world
okay anonI always say FATE provides all tools to make it happen, but I never actually bother to flesh out the stuff for real.List all the Nasuverse autism that needs to be accounted for. I'd go through the wiki, but there's too many articles about random people, things, organizations or FGO shit, I just want the concepts that need to be turned into crunch/mechanics.>Mystic Codes>Magic Circuits>Mystery>Magical Energy>Reality Marbles>Spells>different Schools of magecraft>Origin...
>>78999868True Ancestors, Mystic Eyes, Demon Hunters, True Magic, etc...
>>78999868Mixed-Bloods, The Demon Hunter families, Psychics,DAAs/Vampires, Counter Force, The Church, Bounded Fields, Conceptual Weapons, Demons(?)
>>78999868The issue with FATE is finding ways for your players to explain all that shit, or even the minuscule amount of shit, without sounding like you're reading wikipedia.
>>78999868Be careful about using the wikia, it's full of head-cannon and misinformation apparently
>>78999868how does FATE work exactly ?
>>78913416Gawain is best saber
>>79003036you model entities as a combination of numerical values (think stats, such as STR and DEX... or Recklessness and Attentiveness for characters or Horsepower and Handling... for vehicles), descriptive values (such as "enforcer for the vatican", "cause-ranked Mage", "enthusiast Rallye driver" or "muscle car"), extras (fractally defining entities that belong to it, such as your Church enforcer's Muscle Car), stunts (rule exceptions relating to combinations, such as "because I'm an [enthusiast Rallye Driver], whenever I [recklessly] [race a dude in a car] I get +X on my roll").The numerical values provide the crunch, the descriptions (aspects) provide the flavor, the stunts differentiate the entity mechanically and Extras make it easy to use this way of defining entities to model adjacent entities such as Shadowrun contacts, vehicles and basically everything else. The fractal is really neat, because statting arbitrary stuff on the fly and later coming up with "real" crunch allows for very fast creation of just about anything.The rules for gameplay are extremely basic and fit on a single page, check out the FATE Accelerated rules overview if you are interested.
>>78999920>>78999966keep em coming
>>78999868AtlasMage associationThe clocktowerZeltretch
>>79002131>it's full of head-cannon and misinformation apparentlyLike what? And why haven’t people corrected it yet?
>>78972850casters seem to have the highest number of deranged wildcardsarcher, lancer, and saber seem to be the strongestthe rest are fucking shit, why would anyone summon a fucking rider or assassin class? lmao what a joke
>>79006528Well, originally the wiki was only updated by people who interacted with Type Moon sources, such as translators and people who read the original material. Eventually, everyone started to insert their own ideas on the wiki, so the headcanon and the canon pretty much mixed up, it's more usual on personalities and skills.They don't fix it because it's pretty much doomed anyway, it's a good place to grasp some concepts but shouldn't be taken seriously.
>>79006578that's a bad stereotype, most sabers, archers and lancers are pretty average. although casters indeed have good wildcards, they are very specific (look at Gilles lol, he need corpses and his Cthulhu monster is a suicide bomb). assassins are great with masters who can act independently, look at Faldeus, he do the work while assassin gather the intel, so it's good with aggressive strategists. And riders are great for raw power and mobility, they can act alone and probably will stomp the enemy with ease, and if that's not the case, they'll just run away, Achilles is an example of broken rider who can act in every situation and nail in it
>>79007170Alright, if the wiki is so horrible, where should I go instead? And what are the big mistakes that it makes?
>>79010636Beasts lair probably.
>>79010636i would suggest TMdict, a collection of glossaries, it is basically an ''official wiki''i don't think Beast Lair is the best option since it is complex to understand the discussions and the users are all elitists/purists/whatever
>>79007384I'm just going off the shows man, I haven't seen anything else.when I'm talking about casters I'm talking about Medea who can just betray you and break every rule. It's also a shame that Medea is in the show but Jason isn'talso>Achilles is a riderthat's fucking stupid
>>79012708How is that stupid? He makes the absolute most sense to be a rider out of SO many others in the fate series who have such a weak connection to mounted combat like Medusa. Fighting a top his chariot was a pretty key point of his stories.
>>79012708>t's also a shame that Medea is in the show but Jason isn'tFate Grand Orders handling of lore regarding servant developments is so strained and tenous most of the time, but according to it, Jason in the Nasuverse is not really as strong and 'proper' a hero as the typical greek hero. He is depicted as someone whose fame came more from assembling a crew of some of the greatest heros in Greece as opposed to doing the same amazing feats as his compatriots. However his charm and charisma was astoundingly high, legendarily so, after all he was the one who assembled the Argo and it's crew.This means his greatest powers as a Servant would be something next to impossible to fully realize in a proper traditional grail war, the ability to lead and command the other servants. This power seems to be extra strong when coupled with former Argonauts, as Heracles even in berserker servant form listens perfectly to Jason.So unlikely to see Jason in a more traditional grail war type show, which of course is moot considering how servants in general are such a cash cow for the series that they are going to just ignore grail war rules entirely for now one like in Fate Grand Order.
>>79012883I like that it's canon that Medusa is badly cludged into the Rider class because her compatibility with Sakura was so great that she was going to be summoned regardless of whatever containers were available.
>>79006578>why would anyone summon a fucking rider or assassin class?Because everyone else already summoned the other classes, they don't have enough mana to sustain a Saber-class servant or they don't want to get Berserker which is a death sentence more often than not.>>78998667A set of traits for the PCs could be Strength/Endurance/Agility/Mana from the parameters they used for servants. Though we'd be ditching Luck since it's really vague what it does and NP since the players wouldn't be playing servants.And any snowflake powers the PCs have could be handled as either powers or abilities.
>>79012883he should be lancer. I guess the chariot counts as rider but lancer is a better sounding word than rider>>79013110Jason is more cool than thatthey did him dirty
>>79014873Luck is essentially a saving throw against more esoteric effects. It's described as the ability to alter your fate, so it gives you a chance to get out of attacks that are supposed to be certain kills.
>>79014040I'm really interested in the potential other classes that servants could be summoned as. I know GO fleshes out a few, but there's plenty of others you could justify. The one I always thought could be fun is Rider!Medea, representing her fleeing in her chariot. She'd potentially be a weaker mage, because she'd not get the Caster buff, but it would represent her at the very end of her legend and she'd therefore be more experienced.
>>79015183Then yeah, it could be put in the trait set.
>>78994067>FATEHa! But seriously, why those systems?
>>79015544She uses her mount to flee? All I can think of now is having the Servant equivalent of Shane the Shy.
>>79018117end yourself bumpfag
>>79014962I agree with you, just pointing out how he is handled in the Nasu Verse history. every one of the servants has some twists here and there in their stories in the Nasuverse.Also Achilles would be a case of qualifying for multiple classes, what he becomes depends on a combination of what's already summoned and the wishes of the Mage summoning him. Obviously Lancer and Rider, but wasn't he also decent at archery or at least javelining? he could also have a slight qualification for archer but his stats would likely be weaker there.Saber(artoria) for example could have qualified for all the classes except Caster but even that she had slight potential for. But aside from Lancer the other classes would be no where near as powerful for her. And that's discounting the fact the saber class was purposefully made OP.
Out of all the twists made to Servant's histories in the Nasuverse, which do people find the most interesting?
>>78884786I plan on homebrewing a Servant Master class for the next game I'm running since one of my players asked for it, so far it seems to actually fit well into the system, I just need to run a few fights later to see how balanced it is.
>>78884786>all this talk of nasuverse games>its just HGW shitgod fucking damn it
>>79020638Angel Notes could make for a fun setting, not sure what system I'd use for it though, hmm.
>>79014962Achilles, like Cu, Lancelot, and Heracles qualifies for several classes.Specifically Achilles can be summoned as Lancer, Berserker, Rider, and Shielder. Depending on conditions.Cu Chulainn qualifies for all the base classes except Assassin. We get to see Caster Cu in FGO and Saber Cu in FGO Arcade. Cu Alter is Berserker but is not actually Cu's berserker class version since he's a warped version created by a holy grail.
>>79020757Huh, wonder what Archer Cu would be like, does he have any noteworthy feats with a bow?
>>79020757>Cu Chulainn qualifies for all the base classes except AssassinWhat qualifies him for all though classes?
>>79022302Lots of lore stretching mostly, some more then others.>SaberWhile he never had any notably named sword as far as I can recall, he did do some neat stuff with a sword occasionally, like splitting a stone of destiny in half, so Saber seems feasible, although the Saber they made with him took a stranger approach to making him a Saber... Eh, still cool.>Archer...OK for this one I got nothing, someone far more versed in mythology then me might be able to stretch something out though.>Lancer...Uuhh, obvious.>CasterApart from Archer probably the biggest stretch, they went with him learning Runes with Scat, who far as I'm aware wasn't known for using runes either... I dunno.>RiderHe was well known for fighting on a chariot too, so this fits pretty easily.>BerserkerRíastrad, need I say more?
>>79022899He had a notably named sword though? Cruaidín Catutchenn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cla%C3%ADomh_Solais
>>79022899Maybe for Archer is that he can scout, throw his spear and has Independent Action features?
>>79022936...FUCK , you're right, i'm an idiot. For some reason I thought it was someone else who wielded that sword and got confused.>>79022947Best I can think of, his Lancer already throws his spear but I guess considering how loose the "archer" class already is, focusing on the projectile aspect might suffice. I guess if One stretched it further you could flavor the "barbs" that came with the spear as projectiles shooting out of it.
>>79022986The Archer class is in general loose. How tf is Nicola Tesla an Archer for example.
>>79014962Well in his original series he was summoned alongside Karna, who is a Lancer that also qualifies for other classes including Rider. They could've been interchangeable.
>>79023001I suppose most of his destructive ideas were somewhat distance-based in nature at least, tesla coils, the death ray....But yeah, loose.
>>79023001I would guess because he binds lighting with technology, rather than magic like everyone older than him?
>>79023015Wonder if them swapping classes would have changed anything, there's an AU fanfic right there.
>>79023026>>79023029See? I also have no fucking clue.
>>79023001>>79023042Y'see the thing with Tesla and lets say Ivan the Terrible both of them have been fused with something else that makes their servant forms, with tesla I think it's either one of the gods of lightning or the concept of it, while Ivan mixed his saint graph with that of a beast. So in regular grail wars the way that we see them through FGO probably wouldn't happen due to their specific summoning being a unique case. This is the case for alot of servants in it since FGO is an apocalypse scenario so servants that couldn't be summoned like foreigners who are generally either beings empowered by edltrich and lovecraftien beings, things that want to destroy mankind in most cases, or aliens who are able to be summoned to combat greater evils and shit. What i'm getting at is that some of FGO servants wouldn't be able to pop up in regular grail wars, at the vary least as they are in game either due to unique circumstances that happen to them in game or just that they would be unable to be summoned in regular grail wars. I'm working from memory here so it might be off a tad
>>79023154Agree on that. I feel like the extra classes outside ruler won't appear on a regular Grail War, specifically Moon Cancer (I still have some thoughts behind Alter Ego and Foreigners).Also servants like Sitonai are just a big no. She's like a few gods combined + Illya.
>>79023154You're right about Ivan but off on Tesla. He's like this because he conceptually took lightning from the Gods and gave it to humans.
>>79023154Ivan... might be summonable in a normal Grail War, but it certainly wouldn't be the same Ivan, merging himself with a mammoth is purely what he did in the Lostbelt. I imagine if he is summonable in a regular Grail War he would be far less impressive.
>>79023180I'm curious to hear your thoughts, especially with Alter Egos.
>>79023233I just think it's similar to Cyborg in the Justice League. When he was made, he wasn't a big hero because technology wasn't so embedded in our life. Nowadays, he's so fucking powerful due to all the technology around us. So foreigners are similar in how many people look, search and are invested in said stuff. The infatuation of many (and obsession of the few) in stuff like space, art or the unknown to the point of making certain stuff like big timeless heroes. A good example is Voyager and how some people do look at that as a hero. For Alter Egos, I think it's mostly the Throne reacting to strong feelings of the hero itself that forces a change while it's summoned. There are some weird cases like with Mecha-Eli (Although we can argue those were created and not summoned) but the biggest case is Okita Souji and how a "Healthy" version was made. Again, this is just idiotic headcannon and official stuff are a bit different.
>>79023189That's what I get for trying to work off my memory>>79023228Oh yeah I wasn't implying you wouldn't be able to, just that it'd be unlikely he'd be the way he's in FGO
>>79023038Achilles loses more than he gains as a Lancer whereas Karna stands to gain more than he loses. This would tip the power balance somewhat, but they were also on the same side and never had to fight each other. It really comes down to whether Achilles keeps his shield as a Lancer because it was what saved Sieg at the end of the day in his battle against Karna.
>>79023189>>79023620I'm pretty sure Ivan would be the mammoth-monster from the Lostbelt, but with his irl human mind.Because he's already registered on the Throne of Heroes in that way. He'll just wonder why he's a fucking mammoth
>>79023189What potential Servants might be in a similar category to Tesla? What about the guy who kickstarted steam power as a viable energy source?
>>79028729Bumpfag. Go to /a/ if you wanna talk about fate lore.
is Fate Nasuverse RPG that bad tho ?
>>78939671Merlin is That Guy.Who else, on having a female king ask for help managing a marriage where she can’t produce an heir, would give that king a literal futa dick.
>>79006578Assassins aren’t supposed to fight other Servants, they kill the Master. Riders generally have the most (and most powerful) Noble Phantasms.
>>79013110Anon... that’s literally how Jason is in the Argonautica epic poem. He is famous for gathering and leading the Argonauts, but for every great achievement he had to be hard carried by the rest of the heroes on the ship (or Medea herself buffing him with her magic).
>>79028729Edison. He killed Mystery.
>>79030144He's also has a lion head and is the combined embodiment of every American president and by extension the concepts behind the office of the presidency itself. Although I think he only had those things because of the unique conditions of that singularity, and he doesn't get that stuff normally.
>>79020757>Specifically Achilles can be summoned as Lancer, Berserker, Rider, and Shielder. Depending on conditions.>Berserkerit should be pointed out literally EVERY servant can be summoned as berserker. it's the only class where you can force a servant to be summoned into. Obviously some servants are far better chioces for berserkerhood then others, but it's a specific ritual you use to force the summoning to slap berserker class on a servant.
>>79028729Tesla for doing that achieved the attribute, 'Pioneer of the Stars.' Only other servants in FGO with this attribute are Francis Drake for sailing the entire world and Da Vinci for being Da Vinci. But so far no one else has this status. This attribute gives the servant the ability to do the impossible, including bypassing traits that make a servant invincible in some form, so in theory Tesla would not have to aim at Achilles's heel to hurt him. But that is trying to translate the in game bonuses of the skill to typical Fate type powers, so may not actually work that way.Steam power would not be enough to qualify, after all using heat and moving air for power in general is something that been around for ages. just not combined together in the same way as steam. It also was not something regarded nearly as mythical as say Lightning which was in the realm of the Gods. Sure other people invented electricity but it was Tesla to publicly control bolts of lightning itself. THAT is what makes him renown, the image of him not having a care in the world as he surrounds himself in lightning shooting out from his machines while everyone else tries to keep harping on it's dangers.>>79030144>>79030288Edison is heavily implied to be either way too weak a concept to become a Servant normally, or he would be an insanely weak subpar servant on his own merit. He required the power of the United States Presidency to give up their combined statuses to get him to servanthood.>>79030123I am aware, but you don't seem to realize HOW strongly they ham that aspect up. Like seriously man, how could ANYONE like this guy, he is worse then Gilgamesh in attitude.>>79030063He also offered to teach Artoria Magecraft on several occassions.
Finally got around to reading Kamigakari my god is the rules convoluted. They could simplify things, instead of prep it could be minor actions and so forth
>>79034722>make it more appealing to D&Dletsplease god no
Well since we're just discussing Fate at this point i'll post my Pathfinder related homebrew of some Fate related creatures.I don't think PF is the ideal setting for a Fate style story, but it can work if you want to, say, be Rogue Servants or Counter Guardians and fight horrible monsters.
>>79034742Even the language they use is kinda complicated. Its not about making it appealing to DnD fags its about making accessible
>>78851294Shiki is best girl, prove me wrong.>protip: you can't
>>79034758>accessable>aka pandering to newfagsi would rather not
>>79034807what does gate keeping serve? I never understood that
>>79035034look at MtG and you'll understand what happens when you don't gatekeep
>>79035034Just compare the modern fate fandom to what it was 10 years ago. The elitists are anoying but at least some of them aknowledge that nasu is a hack.
>>79034755I like collecting and beta testing monsters on my unsuspecting players. Too strong stuff though.
>>78949154Because Nasu at his core enjoys writing about broken shit. Broken characters, broken people, broken powers, broken rules. To that end he kind of inverts the concept of "exception that proves the rule" into the "rules that inform the exception". He just likes establishing a norm for the weird stuff to be weird in comparison to, because "this should not fucking work what are you doing" is his scenario cup of tea.
>>79035034Crawling over the wall shows you care enough to stick around. You get the effort back that you put in.
>>78851294Do you think that picture related has a connection to the Beasts beyond his Grail Mud being similar to what Tiamat used? It 'is' a little unbelievable that a single spirit of such little power could corrupt the entire Grail...
>>79037490Fuck off bumpfag
>>79035082>MtGI don’t play the game, what’s that about MtG?
>>78976948What a nice feller
>>79035592That's fair, i like thinking up big stuff. At any rate, the intended way of fighting big monsters is not to match their CR, but to put them in circumstances where they are disadvantaged, like they do in Fate.
>>79035114Both are shit. The issue that changed the material rather than making it easier to read. The OG FSN is easily accessible compared to some of the newer stuff.
>>79035082I can smell the Cheetos from here
>>79042605>CheetosWhat does a shitty snack have to do with Magic?
>>79037490Well, Avenger being a proto-Beast does make a certain amount of sense. What would they represent though?
>>78960976What’s exactly the story there? How did they make the leap?
>>78957580This. The name literally translates out to "parent child bowl" based on the ingredients. But it's also slang for having sex with a parent and their child both at once, though the specifics of in which direction isn't really given in the name alone though. It's just most prominent used for mother and daughter, because weebs gonna weeb.
>>79023001> How tf is Nicola Tesla an Archer for exampleElectricity arcs. Arc is French for bow. You're welcome.
>>78851294Why was Saber the only female Servant for this Grail War?
>>79056333female servants are boringliterally all of the male servants are cooler, it would have been better for saber to be a male (like King Arthur) anywaysshe's by far the most uninteresting servant
>>79037490I mean, it wasn't him so much as the grail corrupting itself via the wish inscribed upon him.That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if he was tied to the Beasts somehow, heck his CE dealing bonus damage to beasts might be a hint.Far as what they'd represent... maybe Humanity's self-destructive tendencies? The capability of us to be our own worst enemy.
>>78946506>>78946506Oh nice it's one of you pretentious fucking retards again. >Outside of that, almost everything is an exception to the rule, which makes the universe's rules feel incredibly flimsy and a lot more like guidelines.Yeah funny how that's been the case since the original VN. It's like the author likes to set up rules just to be broken. I guess that makes the author a shit author for enjoying doing this because anon said so!>The Only Assassin Allowed In The Assassin Class Is Nameless Hassan, Because Everyone Else Was Named And That Makes Them Not True Assassins (tm), except for all the other assassin characters.Except for the first seen Assassin Servant in fsn being Sasaki Kojiro.>The entirety of the caster class being basically artists and creatives.Nice, a factually wrong post.>The fact that some servants appear how they were in their prime, some how they wish to be seen, or some how the world viewed them.That is a stupid fucking complaint. Are you saying all servants should be summoned in their prime? What if their actual prime was something humans remember incorrectly? Which should be summoned, the ones humans remember, or their true self?Example: Qin Shi Huang in fate (main timeline) and real life was looking for immortality. In fate, magic has existed this whole time and ancient china was no stranger to magic. Therefore, Qin Shi Huang surely would have dabbled in magic. He obviously failed in the main fate timeline. But regardless, he would have done so in secrecy rather than share the fruits of all his searching. So I'll ask you, if QSH was recorded into the throne, which one should be summoned? The one that human history remembers? Or a QSH with access to things he secretly had?
>>78946506>Liz. Yes, I know there's Carmilla but having Liz kind of undermines that. Tangentially, the fact that Fate, FGO especially, likes to sweep historical personality under the rug to make waifus.Now you do have a point in complaining about liz and waifushit but let me point out that you are also complaining that the japanese franchise that turned King Arthur into a woman completely unlike mythological and popular portrayal of King Arthur, Medusa into a hot BDSM woman, and conveniently forgot Medea's fucked up shit is turning historical figures into waifus. That's like going to a fucking sport's game and complaining there's too many men. Yes, you can say you don't like sports because you don't want to watch men play with balls, but you can't go into a fucking thread about sports and say modern sports is bad because there's too many men playing with balls, you faggot.>As much as I think Jack is a cool idea and character concept and a good subversion of the idea of the assassin classAh yes, Jack the Ripper is the last thing someone would think of when thinking of potential servants for Assassin class. >Anyways, F/0 is far and away my favoriteHahahahahahaha zeroniggers everyone.>humans trying to keep up with Heroic SpiritsSource material tells you this is impossible 99.99% of the time and is tantamount to suicide, but you're a fucking retard so you think this is cool and what the series should be about. >So far it's felt like the darkest and most fully realized version of a grail war,Yeah most grail wars should have an arc about a little girl saving other children from a mass murder with a magical tentacle monster mage helping him and succeeding. >which is what I really think makes Fate unique and cool.So you think edge shit is what makes Fate unique and cool despite Fate timelines being the less edgy and more optimistic counterpart to Tsukihime timelines since the beginning. Got it.Kill yourself retard. FGO is a shit but you're a fucking faggot.
>>78946506Why yes I'm still mad and making a third post to respond to a six day old post to be angry about a point I already responded to. But as a wise anon once said, five minutes from now I won't be mad but you'll still be a faggot.>Anyways, F/0 is far and away my favorite, humans trying to keep up with Heroic Spirits,This did not fucking happen a SINGLE TIME in zero you absolutely fucking schizo retard. I am absolutely seething.
>>78947267>Can't remember where I found the information but basically the typical mage is so damned vainb as well as overly paranoid of other mages that they intentionally nerfed the hell out of the Caster class for that reason and made Item Creation a universal class skill.I'm not going to take your word for it but even if it's headcanon it's very logical. Casters are fucking broken. They're the halfway point miniboss in zero, apoc, and ubw and won the fuyuki war in FGO's timeline, so it's not just Medea being busted. Shit's crazy.
>>79006578Haha, that's a very interesting observation you've made anon.That's on purpose. As in the designers of the HGW made it imbalanced on purpose to give themselves three winner classes and leave four bait classes for retards.
>>79037490There's some new interview where Nasu says that Angra can potentially become the "Beast of Retribution" if he manifests fully in a Heaven's Feel bad end. He covers half the world in grail mud before the Grand Servants show up.
>>79061171>some new interview where NasuSauce please?
Are Avengers based or what?
>>79056333Hassan's main personality is also the girl
>>79034755this is actually good stuff, will take for my own use.
>>79061171Or Chaldea just arrives because it forms a Singularity and saves the day, causing the World to just go “nope can’t deal with that” and reset the timeline because Beasts MUST be defeated by humanity according to the rules of the multiverse.