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How dangerous would an antagonist that is weak himself but can grant and take powers away be?
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Define powers.
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>>78548581
So basically a support class? About as dangreous as his goons, you could pull a JJBA Part 3 and have him send specialists against the party who themselves can be a random balance betwen Power and ability and Competence with it
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>>78548581
The danger of a leader doesn't come from their personal ability in a fight. It comes from what they can get their followers to do.
From getting more powerful forces to swear loyalty to them. Both large numbers of weak minions and smaller numbers of much more powerful ones.

Is an army dangerous ?
If so, then the person who tells the army what to do is dangerous.

Having the leader able to directly empower their followers does make them a bit more dangerous. But even there, the real strength is the loyalty that is bought with the empowerment.
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>>78548694
Entire hard magic systems that need to be written out in autistic detail beforehand.
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>>78548581
>>78549398
This but unironically

>Say you've been born with a gift from the gods
>Brainwash people by saying you only bestow powers onto the "chosen ones"
>Only select the most loyal and fervent followers and bestow incredibly useful offensive and defensive powers on them
>They follow you into war and will do anything for you; the one who gave them their gift

>>78548780
What this guy says
>Out of all of your followers, find the most aggressive, loyal, and warrior-like of them all
>Put them into a special team and give them a cool name like "The Spear of the People" so that they think they're real hot shit
>Tell them to go deep into enemy territory and assassinate dudes
>They do so

Now let's say your army gets wiped out:
>While people are mourning, whip up some frenzy by telling them who was responsible for the deaths of their loved ones
>Bestow everyone with powers
>Unleash a bunch of pissed off, angry dudes with superpowers on your enemies and run off while your enemies are distracted to go recruit more idio- I mean troops, for your cause
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>>78548581
the current baddies i have on reserve are both the kind that bestows great powers (at a hefty price/ with resulting dependencies) to their followers. It allows for an entire series of bosses with weird quirks while the bbeg behind them seems more meek and usually gives the party the option to join them. spoiler: not taking his offer will result in him getting some badass power up with certain weakpoint so that he'll make for a fun puzzle-esque fight
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>>78549519
Don't forget about the possibility of the leader attracting followers who come with plenty of their own power. Followers whose power doesn't need to match the pattern of those the leader empowers.

These followers follow because they share the leaders cause. Not because they are after the power he bestows.
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>>78548581
The cowardly villain with super powerful toadies is a great trope.
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>>78548581
Depends, are the powers permanent or does he need to reapply them? If they're permanent then there's nothing stopping a villain from shanking him after he gets the powers, if they need to keep the guy alive then they could just keep him in a dungeon and torture him when they need powers.

A power granter needs to either be able to make people magically loyal to him or be able to read people's minds and tell who would be loyal and who would betray him. Alternatively they need some sort of secondary powers that makes them hard to kill or contain, Kyubey can't beat any magical girls in a fight but they can't permanently kill him so he's able to stick around and manipulate everyone despite being the physically weakest character.
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>>78548581
Depends on the limitations
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>>78548581
An evil cowardly asshole who never the less has the Power of Friendship. All those singularly powerful but self destructive evils? They are now best friends. The black hearted fiends that would always fight & kill & scheme against each other? They are now total bros to each other.

Truly terrifying
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>>78553198
>villain with the power of friendship
That’s actually a really interesting idea.
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>>78548581
This is a pretty common Supers mega-villain/meta-power. Simply put, if "powers" are relied upon heavily in the setting and are powerful at all, the person is as god, especially if the powers they grant are temporary.
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>>78548581
I wrote something like this where the antagonist was a construct that was frail due to living long past it's intended lifespan but could make machine abominations called "Godless". He ended up starting the setting version of a world war that killed 1/3 of the world's population before finally being defeated
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>>78553556
You'd like Gun X Sword
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>>78549480
GOOD THING I DON'T USE MAGIC HUH?
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>>78553677
sounds way more interesting than whatever the fucking present is
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>>78548694
Abilities?
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>>78548581
Only as much as the DM behind him.
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Satan is a pretty great antagonist, OP.
For real though. Hiw dangerous is a villian? As dangerous as the GM makes him.
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>>78555086
I don't follow
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>>78548581
>Take powers away
So... does this theoretical villain keep them? Or does he move them from one host to another?
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>>78548581
Depends on how many dudes he has, what kind of powers he can dish out, and how he's securing their loyalty.
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>>78557144
>takes away your ability to breathe
>takes away your ability to move
>takes away your ability to think
You tell me how dangerous this man is
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>>78559424
It says he can grant powers, nothing says they have to be the powers he took from someone else.
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>>78548581
I can do an extremely long and self-important storytime post about my experiences with it, if anyone cares to hear.
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>>78562057
Go ahead
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>>78548581
That's just Juha Bach from Bleach.
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>>78548581
He's way more dangerous than a guy who has powers of his own. Just being able to TAKE POWERS AWAY is hideously dangerous, being able to grant them is game-breaking.
I mean, would YOU murder people for the chance to get powers at the behest of your King? You bet your left testicle you would. Especially if he has control over what powers he can give.
> "Bob, my enforcer, you're the greatest swordsman in the whole kingdom."
> "Let me give you super-speed and super-strength."
> "Robin, you're a fucking crack shot."
> "Here, have this energy-bolt power that requires precision accuracy, but you can hit people from the other side of the fucking planet."
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>>78548581
Variable.
Empowered Allies, Foes with removed powers.
Maybe even grant undesirable powers to enemies, or remove curses/limitation on allies.
Their own limitations (aside from creativity and situational awareness) could easily be things like the grant/remove has to be willing (or at least agreed to).

Aside from certain blatant applications of that last option (or if they can empower themselves), it is a support and meta power. As such, it is all about what they do with it.
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>>78562764
depends on the power. Personally I don't think I'd be so easily bought unless it came with some kind of immortality. Like, if he could make me something like John Carpenter's The Thing (indefinite lifespan, incredible malleable body) I'd be so on board I'd have joined him before I knew he existed but something like super strength, whatever I guess.
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>>78548581
Someone like ragtag? Very strong, you could easily become a king of the criminal world. Would worry about revealing such powers to the state. There is a risk of becoming a ratlab or slave.
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>>78562917
This is how you use the ability to its fullest potential.
>what power do you most desire
>I want x
>join me and you will have it
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>>78548581
What you are describing is essentially All For One, the villain of My Hero Academia. Dude basically single-handedly orchestrated the collapse of global stability and the rise of supercrime by making new villains and firing them like bullets at society.
The only difference is that AFO could also make himself dangerously powerful, and did so, but he almost never directly engaged in combat anyway because he preferred to rule from the shadows and the rest of his tactics are still 100% in line with what OP is asking for. Especially in the modern storyline era, where he's technically a bank full of superpowers but he's also dark vader levels of life support keeping him alive.
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>>78548581
Can the antagonist take away your team/party/heroes' powers as well?
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>>78550517
And no matter how often they lose: they're still behind the next one.
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>>78561725
Then he can just make powers up? He's just Maxwell?
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>>78548581
Powerful? Absolutely. A power broker is powerful, otherwise they're just jerking themselves off.
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>>78548581
>give someone 10 trillion skills
>he makes you immortal in turn
>spend the next 50000 years trying to find ways to avoid boredom
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>>78548581
Jorg survives three books by stealing shit in pic related so.
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>>78571007
Whenever I see his name all I can think is:
>N'Wah Budokai
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>>78553198
>>78553556
Can we give them the power of love too?
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>>78565314
>join me and you will have it
Run it like a pyramid scheme - find me a hundred loyal followers and you will have it.
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>>78548581
How dangerous is Kyubey in a 1v1 fight? Completely helpless. How dangerous is he when he has a teenage girl within fallopian appendage distance? Has a measurable impact on the entire universe.

Thankfully he's the good guy.
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>>78571613
RIP
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>>78548581
So deadly.. He give the power to give powers to others. Ergo he then receive powers from this second empowered person and become extremely powerful.
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>>78562764
Only if the power-to-remove-powers works remotely. If a powerless individual has to make contact with an enemy to take their powers or it's subject to another restriction it's pretty... well restricted.
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>>78548581
>Hitler can actually have his Aryan Übermensch
It all depends on the limits of the antagonist.

If he's able to make a single level 20 Cleric or Paladin, probably a moderate threat.
If he was as powerful as a minor to moderate deity in terms of power-granting, then he'd be a threat that almost everyone would fear.

If one in ten or one in five of his followers was a level 1-5 Paladin or Cleric of his, his secret police had levels in Inquisitor, if he could create insurgents, or cults of them, by granting sympathisers in enemy lands levels in Warlock, then he'd be the greatest threat IMO.

I'm actually really, really liking this idea for a campaign.
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>>78574623
Worse, or best, is factoring conservation of energy as >>78572816 goes over it's stupid if he has unlimited power to give power. But if he has the power to give power, and it's freed up when one servant dies: then all he needs is a willing nearby ally to remake that same powerful servant.
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>>78549398
>Is an army dangerous
No, wizards are dangerous. Though I admit an army of wizards may be dangerous as well.
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>>78569664
As written, yes.
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>>78548581
Sounds like DM
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>>78561680
Presumably there's some limitation to when the powers can be taken/granted. Say, the individual must be consenting in order to gain powers, and only powers that are given can be taken back. But once the powers are given, they do not require consent to be taken back.

Of course, OP gave no details or indication of such because OP is a faggot.
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>>78548581

Depends on what those powers are.
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>>78548581
A pretty nasty encounter for the local casters, but only until the fighter slugs him to death.
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>>78578634
But if he can remove power: won't he remove all kinetic energy output of the fighter's punches?
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>>78549480
But if he gives the system, then at most these are subroutines.
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>>78565471
>The only difference is that AFO could also make himself dangerously powerful
But that's a big difference... no?
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>>78548581
The greatest villain I ever made was a regular dude, his was the greatest terror I ever unleashed on my players.
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>>78582693
sounds like a story anon
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>>78548581
Wasn't that basically the final antagonist of Bleach?
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>>78548581
The Pope was a major political force for centuries so I'd say under the right circumstances that's pretty dangerous
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>>78582693
Go on
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>>78574809
>>78574623
>>78548581
These anons are correct. The ability should be limited in scope. The villian should therefore use his intelligence to find the best way to use his power and who to use it on.

It turns him from a faceless superhuman threat into a living breathing human that is still hysterically difficult to defeat, all while staying anonymous and impersonal.



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