/historian/ fa/tg/uys When did Tieflings officially replace Elves as the "faggot" race?
>>78541695>dndthey're all faggot races anon
>>78541695They didn't, they replaced Drow. Drow PCs no longer exist because tieflings are the better gay edgy PC race with evil origins.
>>78541695Sometime during 3e I remember it moving a bit from edgelord to gaylord. It wasn’t a widespread phenomenon until 5e though.
>>78541758I'd say it started in 4e, maybe the tail end of 3.5.
>>78541748Also Tieflings you can actually have a backstory of "misunderstood nice guy" without having it be all lore fucky.
Best take I think there is of tieflings is WoW's Draenei and I rip off that in my games.
June 17th, 2009. Literally 20 seconds on google.
>>78541921Tieflings are just half breeds.
>>78541695I dunno man, I just think edgy elves are cool.
>>78541695Elves were pretty cool in 2ed. The whole party was usually just normal folks. With professions and character. The thieflings were rat tailed mutts from the planes. Pretty weird to everyone. Especially when you were some hick from darkwood or bereghost or some shit like that. In 3e everything became superhero garbage. You went from an adventuring party to a marvel power wank fantasy. Fighters became juggernauts, wizards became ur priest mystic theurges and all of a sudden you had monks and warlocks. The thieflings also became evil villainy. And the elves were all of a sudden super arrogant and bitchy gold elves and shit.So they became gay at the same time.
>>78542227Is there a good game that's around nowadays that has that sort of fantasy? Closest I can find is WFRP, but the class/career system is completely different in that.
>>78541994Jfc. Secondaries, man.
>>78542042Well at least you can admit that you're an edgelord. Drow are probably the least awful freakshit race anyway.
>>78542675>freakshitThis term has become irritatingly common and overused recently.
>>78542227I know for sure that 2e had Monks
>>78541896>without it being all lore fuckyConsidering drow do pretty horrible shit to each other, adventurers wander through the underdark and nick everything from treasures to children every Tuesday, and the gods of most settings perform more divine intervention than in a standard Okami playthrough, I can think of a few scenarios where drow can be good.
>>78541695They didn't. See Noldorfag.
>>78542675>playing TRPG's at 12 years oldIt seems in this case the pregnant drinking and smoking seems to have inexplicably expanded the baby's brainpower.
>>78542227Monks were LITERALLY in 2nd edition
>>78542953>Playing dnd takes brainpower
>>78541695about the same time people stopped being able to tolerate things they themselves did not like but did not hurt them. So about the same time OP Started being a fagot.
>>78541695Late 3e to early 4e... really, when did tumblr become a thing, and when did Critical Role start?
>>78542675Cool buzzword you stupid faggot :^)
I have a mild and impersonal contempt for tieflings, because there's no sense of flexibility with them. 1. You're a misunderstood "looks evil but is actually good" tiefling2. You're actually an evil tiefling. That's it, that's the entirety of your character options. You have zero other options. With elves, you don't have to be a drow to be evil. You can be an evil elf. You could be a good elf. You could be a compassionate elf. You could be an arrogant elf. You could be a chuunibyou elf that acts like an evil dragon is sealed in their right eye. You could be a paragon of virtue and nobility paladin elf. This applies to just about all the other core races. You can be whatever you want to be and the rest of the world will be more or less a-ok with how you act. tieflings seem targeted especially towards the mildly retarded edgelord market.
>>78541695With the lavender Critical Role tieffaggot. Then he died and the same asshole introduced us to cowbolgs.
>>78542762>made a halfling thread>the race that's known for being humans but even more boring and relatable>one of the first replies is freakshit postingwhat is wrong with /tg/?
>>78544489>Tieflings are bad because you can only only play them evil or not evilI mean if you want to be that reductive you could really levy that complaint against any race.I get what you're saying, I really do, but just because most Tiefling players opt to go for either "oh woo is me I'm a misunderstood outcast" or "I actually just want to murder people" doesn't mean you have to play your character in either way. There are a ton of directions you can take the Tiefling concept. Hell, if you're feeling lazy just make your Tiefling an expy of pic related.Also if I'm being frank I'd say that Dwarves are just as "constrained" by their honor and society as Tieflings are by their heritage.
>>78544489I kinda feel the same way about Aasimar.
>>78544489No you can either play an elf that looks evil but is actually good, or play an actually evil elf.You have zero other options.
>>78544710I feel like Aasimar is actually harder for the DM than it is for the player, if only because it's hard to justify why people in a religious society wouldn't be sucking the Aasimar player's dick. I've seen a number of solutions to the problem, but the fact remains that it's a unique issue that only really exists because one of your players decided to be a literal divine being. Tiefling are easy, you just have everyone be distrustful of them because they're demonspawn. That's probably what your player wants to, can't be a misunderstood outcast if you're not an outcast.
>>78544767>one of your players decided to be a literal divine beingRead the book
>>78545023>Aasimar bear within their souls the light of the heavens. They are descended from humans with a touch of the power of Mount Celestia, the divine realm of many lawful good deities. Aasimar are born to serve as champions of the gods, their births hailed as blessed events. They are a people of otherworldly visages, with luminous features that reveal their celestial heritage.?
>>78541695Nah that's your job.
>>78544489Elfish hands typed this post in between fondling man junk.
>>78545042Now read it instead of just posting it and thinking it supports your claim.Angel blooded is not a literal divine being.
>>78544695>SpoilerPretty much. Every bearded manlet in every game and every setting in every piece of fiction in existence has been the exact fucking same character. Yet I've never seen retards bitch and moan about dorfs for existing, so clearly the perceived limited number ways to interpret a race isn't a real fucking problem.
>>78545160>touch of the power of Mount CelestiaLiterally has a touch of divinity, making them literal divine beings yes.Your brazenly pedantic behavior must make you popular at the table, though.
>>78545163It's mostly because sissy pink shit is bad to men but women don't give a shit about railing on masculine hobbies. At most they just want you to wash the dishes sometimes.
>>78545163Yeah but when you do it it's gay
>>78544689they're a bunch of fussy nerds
>>78544689It's a handful of shitposters, many of them tourists who don't actually play, who have nothing to do but spam their shitty forced meme on top of everything
>>78544767>hard to justify why people in a religious society wouldn't be sucking the Aasimar player's dickwell why don't you just have them do?
>>78543887>So about the same time OP Started being a fagot.You're damn right I'm a faggot.
>>78545163Based Dwarf Racism
>>78542227>In 3e everything became superhero garbage. You went from an adventuring party to a marvel power wank fantasy.Fucking THIS. 3rd edition ruined absolutely everything that was good or workable about D&D. Literally the ONLY thing it did right was get rid of THACO and move the to-hit mechanics around. Everyone other component of the game system was objectively worse than AD&D. Even attribute-based non-weapon proficiencies are better than the fucking skill point system, because you can't fucking min-max the non-weapon profs the way you can with skill points.
>>78541695Elves have always been the normie race, not the "faggot race."Elves have never been the faggot race; it's social rejects like the Left who unironically think privilege and traditionalism are bad who hate them.
>>78544489They're literally playable demon spawn.
>>78545163Dragon Age has shaven, non-accented, nice dwarves. Because they were civilized.
>>78541695>When did Tieflings officially replace Elves as the "faggot" race?When they were made.Elves were never the "faggot" race.
>>78541695I thought OP was the faggot race.
>>78550271We'd have to know if OP was American to be able to tell that, anon.
>>78541695The more tourists cry about tieflings, the more people will play them out of spite.t. strict freakshit player
>>78541695When they started looking like Draenei.
>>78542042>I dunno man, I just think edgy elves are cool.
>>78541896Plenty of drow could be that. Why do people keep forgetting the non Loth drow...
Soon enough tieflings will be replaced.By what I cannot predict, but the wheel must continue to turn.
>>78542762>>78542987>>78544314>This term has become irritatingly common and overused recently.I think its absolutely on point.Especially how it instantly makes freakshit-players identify themselves.>>78544689The same butthurt Tieflingplayer has been posting it recently in Dwarf and Elf-Threads too. Just ask him about Tieflings or mention them and he will reveal himself.>>78546898>no-gaem-postingAnd this here is a leftypol-tranny.
>>78541722You're projecting anon
>>78551474Don´t they all engage in surfarce raids?
When they were retooled and made a core race in 4e because WotC wanted the WoW audience. But they were already imagined as "dark misunderstood turds boo hoo hoo" in 3e by a large subsection of players because the 2000's were a time where everyone wanted to be both edgy and victimized. I guess they still do, but now the edgy part is written in fine print.
>>785444893. You got all non-obvious obvious tiefling traits that are mildly annoying to people around you, such as smelling of sulfur / causing food to go off faster / etc. Relatively minor things that would inconvenience a group of people who have to hang around you. Maybe you're good, maybe you're evil, but in everyone's mind you're that stinky guy who isn't allowed to cook because he fucks it up.
>>78542762> In TTRPGs you can be anything!> Cool! Can I be an elf?> No. That's freakshit.The fault is not in our stars, dear Brutus, but in dumb fucking autists.
>>78541695I think it was a combination of factors that started easing in all the way back to the late 90s.There were cartoons with weird monsters as protagonists (Gargoyles, Biker Mice, TMNT, etc)There was a general 90s edgelordery, "goth" and "punk" shit everywhere, Spawn, KoRn and other numetalBecause of this WotC pushed FR as THE setting for D&D because it was fantasy but way more colorful than Tolkien and you had shit like Genasi as main racesThen something about internet culture probably repeated the cartoon stuff above with comics like Goblins and lots of furry stuff.I think things were borderline decent back then, I remember I thought it was cool to play a goblin monk even if stats-wise it was shit.People from chatroom/forum roleplay communities, NeoPets sort of mixed into D&D as far as online play wentPlanescape: Torment achieved cult status just like a whole lot of things that nobody actually played but kept repeating to look culturedThen social media happened and everything accelerated so in 5 years all this shit became synonym with the alphabet mafiaWhen I think about it it all feels organic until social media. After social media it feels like something engineered.
>>78553147And this is also why you have reactionaries now who unironically think you're a SJW tranny for playing anything remotely unorthodox. This hardline us-vs-them shit is completely new, people made fun of Drizz't players for being edgelords but I have never seen this thing where>Can I play [race]?>(oh this person must have problematic political views)Never on forums or anywhere. There were basically no politics online. I don't know if this is because people were younger across the board and used the internet differently but politics were something that people simply didn't care about.I have never seen the "you do X = you are Y" mental association anywhere before at least the mid 2010s. And what's scary is that right now this is mostly correct, you can look at a party group shot and guess the political orientation of the players. You can safely assume that artist = hard left wing autogynephiliac sjw anime pornodegenerate, etc. It's like people are made with cookie cutters.
>>78553417>hard left wing autogynephiliac sjw anime pornodegenerateI feel like, in mashing together types of posters that you dislike, you've actually merged two completely separate stereotypes into one strawman.
>>78541695With the advent of 4e, but not really until 5e with the mass influx of tourists wanting to hook into the "lol such a nerd xD" trend.
>>78553417>You can safely assume that artist = hard left wing autogynephiliac sjw anime pornodegenerate, etc.No, you actually can't, and also you're just throwing everything you dislike into a single pile and saying that it's one person.
>>78553448>in mashing together types of posters that you dislike, you've actually merged two completely separate stereotypes into one strawmanNo mistake, it's all the same breed of person. If you are not a hard leftist you won't jerk it to lolis 24/7 and you will not have the collectivist mindset of hard leftists. Leftists are the ones who enabled pornography to overrun everything in media. Hard leftists enabled everything to become hyper-sexualized. They go chase after boomers who put too a butt shot somewhere because they're hypocrites, they're actually the ones who popularized the more degenerate shit. It's hard leftists who believe that nobody should pay for anything, or that taking someone's character and drawing porn of it is perfectly OK because fuck copyright and fuck the author's ownership of his work. Everything "fandom" related and what fandoms do is hard left.What the tradLARPers think is irrelevant because people are completely free to say whatever they want over the internet. You can see the truth by adding things together, if the actions don't match the words you should judge by the actions. Someone who is traditionally minded will at least try to be resistant to this shit and won't celebrate it, he will be law-abiding and recognize concepts such as property, rights (other people's) and so on.
>>78553654>If you are not a hard leftist you won't jerk it to lolis 24/7Stopped reading there. Leftists hate lolicon, they would rather molest actual children.
>>78553713>people are completely free to say whatever they want over the internet.
>>78551464Edge lords are just blade masters.
>>785416952009. 4e messed around too much with the lore surrounding elves while also making tieflings a major race.
>>78554489Did 4e actually bring new blood in?
>>78542227Lot of words for "I never played 2e AT ALL but want to say old good new bad for my free cool points."
>>78541695When they became horned multicolored species, as opposite to what they were meant to be.
>>78542762>>78544689It's getting pushed more and more and there's tons of falseflags to prove itIf you see posts that overreact with anger then it's a falseflag shitpostIf you see posts that defend non-human races as freakshit in earnest then it's a falseflag trying to normalize it