Good or bad, one things for sure: it'll be expensive as fuck.
Hopefully, if not there are dozens of other systems out there for fantasy rank and flank. Just hope some of the new models are cool looking.
>>78525316What was the last good thing GW did?
Nah, there'll be some usable models but they'll be overpriced to buggery, system will be mediocre, support for it will trickle out particularly if they try and rush something for TWW3, and it will be special character driven like TWW, AOS and modern 40k.
>>78525316the fuck you think I am, an oracle? Fuck you
>>78526860blood bowl was pretty alright (not the newest stuff)
>>78526868>AoS>special character drivenAoS has less special character than WHFB
>>78525316Name one good system GW has put out in the last decade that isn't MESBG(itself just a cleaned up version of a 20 year old game).ToW will at best not be completely awful, but it certainly won't be good either.
>>78527351Which only means you see more of the few it does have because they're just that strong.
>>78526860Everything since the 8th edition reboot has been an improvement.
>>78527515For their business, not for the game.
>>78527433>>78527514Not really, special characters are usually side grades that require you to play a certain sub faction. They range from busted Teclis to literally who Alarielle
>>7852752440K is better in every way since 8th. Specialist games are back. Even Age of Sigmar is apparently in a good state. You're really showing how new you are by not being aware of these things.
>>78527107That's because they literally copied it from its fan-made version. The initial rulebook even had the same typos as the fan-made one
>>78527608Not him but 40K 8th is very different than older editions and doesn’t appeal to many of the older players anymore. It became a fundamentally different style of game. I’m glad it’s seeing a new surge of popularity but it just isn’t fun for me anymoreSigmar is pretty fun though
Yeah for scalpers, they will hoard manuals, cards and minis due to limited printing from GW and most ppl will be unable to play like with WH40 atm.
So here’s what we know for sure>set during the war of the three emperors>will include empire, kislev, bretonnia, orcs, and high elves at least>it uses square bases>it’s being headed by forge worldWe can assume>other old world races will be included, new world studf probably in later releases>it’s 28mm>it’s rank and flankI’d say it has a decent shot. Rank and flank has shown to still be something that can survive in the current market with things like oathmark. Plus the forge world side game guys who are on this usually do a good job. Nightmare scenario is resinshit
>>78525316I don't think so, no. And this comes from somebody who spent years respectfully requesting a return of old WFB, repeatedly telling GW customer service I'd drop tens of thousands of dollars yearly if they'd only release non-AoS WFB stuff again.But WtOW is going to be shit. I have no faith in nuGW and their pozzed corporate dictates. You can already tell from the shitty Kislev concept art that it's just going to be more of the same nuGW generic fantasy horseshit instead of their cool grimdark setting that started as generic fantasy and became something great on its own. Sad days ahead.
>>78527792This has to be bait, it’s too perfectly constructed to be an accident.
>>78527351See, kid, special characters were, you know, special. They were for special occasions and often they weren't allowed on tournaments and such, depending on edition.
>>78527808Yeah, too many hooks.
>>78527808How is it bait? Everything we've seen for WtOW looks awful. The first unit teased is some shitty late 8th edition magic weapon wielding unit of ice princesses. Absolutely shit nuGW fielding. Does not inspire confidence.
>>78527834>WAACfag fantasy player pulls up acting toughWhat, your 9th age game fell through for the hundredth time?
>>78526860Space hulk, 1st edition.
>>78527926Read my post again. They make alright rules, worst case is they’re in charge of models too.
>>785276085th ed grog here.'luv jump and shoot, luv fleet of foot, luv me Waaagh!!!, luv me klaw, luv nob bikers, 'ate blud angels (ent racist, just don't loik 'em).Simple as.
>>785278768ed 40k was kino
>>78527608It's all been downhill after 5th. 6th was nigh unplayable and everything after keeps adding more fuel to the dumpster fire. I'm glad you still have fun, but what you're playing isn't really 40k.
>>78527563If I had proofed my post with a lawyer's eye I might have written "more special character driven" but when you come from never seeing a special character at a tournament because you had to ask permission to use them, and only ever saw them at a handful of special events, and you're comparing that to a game where you can search "such-and-such-character meta" and get hits ... you don't consider that somebody could "uhm ackshually..." your post. Maybe I'm naive.
>>78528155How long ago is this time period you’re referring to
>>78527563There is also big clit stacy Mortahi and her hunter cadre of snek machine guns and who's too cool to fool with wounds.
>>78528214I dropped out of contemporary WFB around the dawn of 8th, it was irrecoverably fucked.
>>78528257What are you playing now grog man
>>78528257Based.I started an orcs and goblins army at that time as I was fed up with 40k and Fantasy, even 8th, was more fun.
>>78525316No.I wish they wouldn't do this. Retiring the setting was the best thing that could have happened to it. Look at the End Times/Age of Smegmar setting or nu40k, and tell me that Fantasy not suffering the same fate was not a blessing.
>>78528386Couldn’t create a more abhorrent post if I tried, nice job.
>>78528287It's a long list, I'll limit it to what I play in the WF setting withMordheimErehwonWarhammer Armies Project 9thWarmaster RevolutionMan o' War
>>78528401How is Erehwon, I’ve heard mixed things about it kind of like SPQR, but unlike SPQR it hasn’t had a “we’re sorry” combo deal yet
>>78528007From the end of 4th to mid 5th was peak waaagh! No joke.
>>78525316Probably not. I mean I'm a WFB fan, but modern GW suck, and so will this game.
>>78528395It's the fucking truth. Fantasy would be completely in the toilet too, if GW hadn't retired the setting and launched the End Times/Smegmar setting instead.
>>78528409Erehwon is a fundamentally sound derivation of Bolt Action, which I like in vague abstract terms, I just find a pretty mediocre WWII ruleset. Could do with a more comprehensive set of army lists rather than trawling through Priestley's facebook posts, but it's decent. SPQR is a fundamentally broken, underbaked steaming grog bog and even if Erehwon was mediocre it would still be an unflattering comparison.
>>78528475Did you play fantasy
>>78528479>steaming grog bogfucking kek
>>78525316Doesnt matter, its enough that it exists so siggy piggies get infuriated.
>grogs: REMAKE WARHAMMER FANTASY>gw: ok, we’re remaking it>grogs: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ITS GOING TO BE SHIT AHHHHHH SIGMAR ZOOMER WOW POZZEDKek, no wonder they stopped appealing to you guys
>>78528584I just wanted oop stuff to be sold again.
>>78528504what will even happen to AoS fags? will they just wither off and die?
>>78528616Same thing that happened to 40K when 30k came outNothing except for schizophrenic superiority complex fueled rants by 30k fags followed by the death of their game
>>78528567Well, yes, just yes.And they finally made the datasheets presentable, and easy to read
>>78528616They will seethe about seeing older fellas pushing dolls around and having a pint while they play, and then GW will unveil a new elf army that's shitty and overdesigned and they'll forget all about the grognards and obssess with their FOMO.>>78528627It's incredible that Bligh was carrying the whole fucking thing apparently.
>>78528584I'm not exactly seeing anything that's giving me cause to be excited.
>>78528639>le beer and pretzelsNothing screams insecurity like that
>>78528386>stimulus checks>gucci gear>covid/black people/democrat panic buying drove prices to insane levelsSo you bought like a used M&P AR-15, 200 rounds, and whatever chink optic was in stock?
>>78528593Going by what WHFB's sales numbers looked like when it was still around, they wouldn't sell enough of it to get back the cost of making the new molds.
>>78528637By bloating it with special rules, making vehicles monstrous infantry, and making the to-wound chart absolutely worthless.That doesn't actually give you points making them worthless for playing because "power points" are doodoo caca bad.
>>78528672They probably still have moulds.
>>78528616its sweet you think AoS will die off and whfb will come back>>78528593no
>>78525826Good or bad, one things for sure: I’m the guy with the gun
>>78528649Try it.It's fun eating a warm burger, having an IPA, and shooting the shit with the lads as your men do fights.
>>78528682It's quite literally coming back though.
>>78528692You misunderstand, everyone has drank beer and eaten snacks with their friends. The people who preface it when talking about their hobbies are always intensely insecure, just as you’re being right now
>>78528485The actual wargame? No. Never could afford it.
>>78528680Unlikely. Forgeworld squatting stuff tends to happen when the molds for something wear out and it's not worth investing the money to replace it. I doubt GW proper is much different.
>>78528707I don't get how it is.
>>78525316I'm not buying resin models.
>>78528682>its sweet you think AoS will die off and whfb will come backMyself and lots of other prefer fantasy way over AoS. Fantasy has shit that isn't ugly, AoS has shit that is ugly. When TOW comes I'm definitely gonna be buying shit lmao.
>>78528768Did you play fantasy
>>78528720NTA but that is half the reason WFB tanked in the first place, the other is that balance was completely fucked not long behind the massive and rapid price per model increases from the twilight of 6th.I have no idea why you think that you have yourself a gotcha other than you being genuinely fucking stupid.
>>78528701Come back just to die again cause the grogs wont support it and GW will abandon it.
>>78528788Every time>muh balanceWAACfags, nugrogs secondaries, grogsJust keeps getting better
>>78528775Nope. Why does that matter? As long as they put nice looking shit out, then they can have my money.
>>78528768Fantasy had waaaaaaay too many ugly shit my dude. You must have not looked at a dwarf or Empire army for a long time. Hideous and on square bases.AoS is here to stay. If the reboot is lucky, if, its gonna go the way of HH 30k.
>>78528802My favorite>I’ll buy it this time I swear!Every time
>>78528802Also the very reason I dont care about AoS, literally 90% of everything in AoS looks awful.
>>78528808The stormcast shiternals alone, look worse than everything in Fantasy. I'm not even getting into the other chinese generic looking crap thats in AoS.
>>78528799Well if I was wrong you'd be able to say why instead of dumping your emergency stash of buzzwords
>>78528829When you see the same three posts repeated constantly for 5 years, you learn to just laugh at the retards.
>>78528811>90% of everything in AoS looks awful.Which is probably why they're bringing back Fantasy.
>>78528847Crazy how almost everyone that was around at the time agrees on why WFB tanked.
>>78528827Stormcasts are the only thing you cant shit on. It's kinda boring after 5 years "but them WOW eternas, muh ugly". When half fo whfb line looked like a chinese pewter sale
>>78528810>>I’ll buy it this time I swear!? I literally got into the hobby recently so your point makes no sense.
>>78528883Sorry, but Shitcast Shiternals genuinely look awful.
>>78528915holy fucking kek
>>78528883Also this, AoS looks like a generic chinese poster for a mobile game. I literally assumed that when I saw this the first time.
>>78528401>ErehwonAny mechanical relation to Gates of Antares, since (IIRC) they're from the same creator?
>>78528883They shouldn't be shit still then.Imagine making models for five years and none of them are good.
>>78528692>IPAGiga soi cuckold
>>78529053I like my booze to have greater than 7% alcohol.
>>78528985I haven't played GoA but it's the same core mechanical concepts derived from Bolt Action
>>78528993If Hedonites, and undead doesn't look good to you then brother...i don't think the remake of Fantasy gonna be to your fancy
>>78529075You apparently love estrogen and mantits as well.
>>78529106They don't honestly. Hedonites look like that shit movie 300, and the undead look like they're dancing which I don't like. Much prefer the Oathmark skeletons, no one else really does Bronze age undead.
>>78529108I'll take being a trap over drinking piss like Bud light again.
>>78529139>the only options are soi piss IPA or dog piss burger"lager"Jesus fuck. Try getting some taste and acquiring quality beers.
>>78529125Oathmark aint my cup of tea. If i'd absolutely had to go for bronze skellies id buy warlord sons of the hydra teeth for full Harryhausen effect.Alas i like my bones armored, rusty and medieval
>>78529125as for Hedonites - they have that weird persian/oriental/arabian "it" that fits Slaanesh.Xerxes looks like a daemon prince and his court of freaks is straight warhammer
>>78527696They might include Cathay too, assuming some stuff made for Total Warhammer 3 is also gonna carry over to The Old World and not just vice versa (what with Kislev Ice Guards appearing in the trailer).
>>78529190Those aren't bronze age undead, they'd be archaic to classical greek. Which was some 1500 years after the bronze age.Yeah, I'm a pedant. Sorry.
>>78529190Would you though?
>>78529247God bless WGF, the fucking mad lads.
>>78529247yeah, after id got rid of those square bases, absolutely.hey if i dealt with mantic plagie zombies, this is a breeze
>>78529205>mightThat's the main malket fol it
>>78528885Playing /V/ermintide doesn't count as getting into the hobby
>>78529420i guess buying/collecting/painting/reading about it doesnt count either huh.
>Lead by ForgeworldI want it to be good, not getting my hopes up.
>>78527938> never read HH9: Crusade
>>78529597>>Lead by Forgeworldis that bad?
>>78528058nah, 6th and 7th were a dumpster fire true, but the game has improved significantly after they completely reworked everything in 8th
>>78529755Consider the state that 30k is in regarding support, rules quality, release schedule and price.Then consider that instead of focussing on 4 unique factions (Legion, Auxilia, Mechanicum and Talons), people seem to expect 16 factions plus Kislev and Cathay.
>>78528401What do you think of Warhammer armies project 9th? I've got some friends who I've finally convinced to try something with superior square bases, and it looked like a better way to dust off my Bretonnian army than usual ng their old ass army book in an 8th edition game.
>>78529821>He thinks his old Bretonians will be playable in the new game.
>>78528058The fact that 6th moved some of the power from heroes to units was the only big change. The rest wasn't drastic. But I get your point in my group we still have diehard fans of 5th who deapise 6th. On the other hand things like ogre hero with a unit using grey magic teleporting into the enamies on 2nd turn is not a thing I want to get back to.
>>78529247I did unit of 20 with bitz from wfb, it was a chore
>>78525316probably not but a man can dream...
>>78528504>>78528616We're winning, it's you losers that are triggered beyond belief ODing on copium, WHF was trash which why it was killed off, good lore or not
This is only tangentially related to the thread, but I see people say that square bases are ugly, both here and a lot of other places online. I know aesthetics come down to personal taste, but I feel like the shape of the base is such a small detail, I don't know why so many people are upset by it.Gameplay-wise I get that they have the drawback of being longer diagonally than top to bottom, which can fuck with measuring distance, but that's pretty minor imo.
>>78525316if it has a "flawless" rulebook that you buy ONCE and and army book (or a free online army list app)i DONT want to buy an add on book in order to play a new meta scenario or some whatever?>>78525826this....square bases / fantasy regiments. more men in the square means stronger unit (like in fantasy)AKA competitive square collections.this could get dumb very fast...new neat models that can be used in other games? yes please but i doubt everything will get a new model. it might be leaders and war machines onlyperhaps oldskool dragons..? not the lame sigmar thin lizard with wings.i dare say it may fizzle out or only the eldest of us all will want / play / spend money and time on this.>>78526860Jesus im not even sure?not fine cast... sisters of battle? (gave us what people were screaming for?) (all plastic /better models)?
>>78527871Is 9th age even warhammer? I looked at their website and they are making up their own lore and have changed the faction names.
>>78529821It's good if you like WFB, walks back a few of the faults of 9th. Army books can have some cringe OC but the level of support for all sorts of disparate subfactions and the breadth of units available to armies from their history is pleasant.
>>78538776because it has edges that look clunky and ugly.Round bases are kino. No shar psurfaces. Like a mothafuckin pizza
>>78540764walks back a few of the faults of 8th*
>>78527642Good, GW pay pigs deserve to pay double. It helps the economy, GW gets paid, scalpers get paid, retard soiboys consoomers still get what they want
>>78538811>sisters of battle >soulless masculine trannies and nigs >$10-35 price per mini Just what people wanted
>>78538811this art is absolutely beautiful, is it from a specific book?
I'll pirate the books and 3d print proxies so my total investment will be measured in mL of resin and KB of data. If it sucks, I'll just use the minis in RPG's. If it's good, I'll buy a few base models to support it. Either way, I'm not gonna get worked up over it. Simple as.
>>78541006>the square shape is too edgy for me
>>78528682go to the top sellers on the AoS area of GWs website, almost all of its skaven, lizardmen, and 'freeguild'
>>78544682yep, just checked. theres the lizardmen, freeguilds, and chaos shit up there. theres one AoS thing but everything else is from fantasy
>>78528682>its sweet you think AoS will die off and whfb will come backAoS wont die off but Fantasy will be far more relevant than it.
>>78545574>the models found in recent popular media is popular sellersShocking really
>>78545802>recent popular>lizardmen>freeguilds>chaosLast time I checked, literally none of those are anywhere remotely close to popular media. I really hope you're not that retarded.
>>78546159I think he must be talking about TWW, which is hilarious because one of the standard copes in the script is that secondaries aren't going to buy anything and computer games don't translate into sales.
>>78546159Why the fuck are empire and lizardmen so consistently the best sellers for AoS?
>>785420325th edition rulebook. The like wasn't seen before or after ever again.
>>78528479>trawling through Priestly's facebook posts,https://thisgaminglife.uk/2019/03/27/army-lists/ there you go son.
>>78528985GoA was an inspiration for Priestly when he wrote Erehwon, so yeah, they are similar in many respects.
>>78526860>What was the last good thing GW did?Rogue Trader
>>78525826>it'll be expensive as fuckFuck yeah, maybe we can actually get some REAL gatekeeping back in place. Keep the fucking peasants out.
>>78527505>MESBG(itself just a cleaned up version of a 20 year old game).>20 years old>only cleaned up and "re-editioned" 2-3 times during its entire lifespanThink we're onto something here.
>>78532033I don't care how any of my armies fare in GWs new game. If I can use my old stuff, great, I'll probably buy some more stuff to add on to my armies if I see anything I like. If not, I'll just stick to older editions or similar games, which is why I was asking about the armies project's 9th edition.>>78540764Is it easy enough to learn coming from 8th? It's not the first time ive had to shift editions, but teaching people new to fantasy how to play an edition I haven't might be difficult if it's too different
>>78539015As a dwarf player who's played it only as dwarves it's definitely fantasy. It's literally just 8th edition with a lot of the bullshit trimmed out and fluffy things added in like throwing axes for basic infantry, more than three rune spells not directly tied to the anvil of doom, etc. It's fun for what it is, but it just suffers from what I call "mantic syndrome." Inthat it's a fine game for what it is, but it just doesn't have the direct feel that WHFB had. It's literally a soul vs soulless thing that /v/ likes to throw around.>>78528616They'd have to actually exist to die off anon. I've only ever seen people try out the game once or twice, then never play it again and that was at the very beginning. Most people I even see play anything with the setting are the small box skirmish games. Even now, after briefly scanning the "rules" of the newer edition, it's still a shit game compared to WHFB.>>78528672Even as "bad" as WHFB's sales were (30% of total sales) it was still better than AoS'. they could have AOS sell at the rate of peak 40k for the next 10 years and not recover the cost they lost from the first few years of the end times.
>>78528861No they're bringing back fantasy because of just how shit AOS does in sales. No one plays it, and the only people actually buy shit from the line are your typical kitbash fags and whales. They can try to blanket the causation for bring back the old world they want, it's because no one is buying their shit replacement and with the increase of interest from Total War and Vermintide they've done nothing but gone beyond shooting their foot off. at this point they've blown the whole leg off.
>>78546217Lizardmen always sold. Why do you think they got an almost 1:1 port to AoS, instead of getting thrown into garbadge like Kangz?
>>78549460>source: my ass
>>78549533Actually, it's my GFs ass.
>>78549533You can literally see happen.
>>78527696We know it's 28mm, and will likely include Wood Elves and maybe Norse Dwarfs on launch.
>>78549562>using stock prices when talking about sales>using the famously successful GW stock to argue that they are failing
>>78549562All this shows is the financial success of Primaris Marines.
>>78538776I give so little attention to my models' bases i don't even paint nor decorate them
>>78549639>>78549627>I'm just going to ignore that massive nose dive that happened from 2015 until the middle of 2017.>>78549601It's literally the stock of Games Workshop from 2015 to 2019. People were bailing on games workshop left and right during the end times that their stock plummeted in massive amounts from the backlash alone. Not only that you can look at the sales during that time and you can correlate what I'm saying from that directly alone. Not even mentioning the costs of having to make new moulds for literally everything, shelling out paying for rules writes shitting out the steaming piles they made, etc.No amount of you fags white knighting Games Workshop will change the fact that them murdering WHFB was nothing short of a Titanic commercial blunder the likes that hasn't been seen in the industry ever.
>>78527854Warhammer is far too flanderized for them to just release something grounded and subtle unfortunately. I haven't written it off completely like you have, because at the very least they'll release some cool character models for the armies I collect or GW will rerelease kits from WHFB and I'd definitely pick some up.
>>78527854Ice witches have ice weapons as their basic bitch spell, why are you so mad that a unit of ice witches is using their magic in their most basic capacity?
>>78549719>the fact that them murdering WHFB was nothing short of a Titanic commercial blunderIt removed the undesirables from the fanbase, and even if no other benefit was seen, that's sufficient justification.
>>78549782>undesireablesYou mean the actual customers. I'll give you there were people who still plague the fandom who are completely irredeemably terrible (WAACfags) but when GW murdered WHFB they also murdered any trust they had from their customer base I know quite a few people after the fact who literally said they'll never buy from them ever again after what they did and these were the same people who regularly bought product every week, myself included. Like it or not the only people who still buy GW product are purely 40kfags or fanboys who will white knight them until the day they die.
>>78549821>>78549782WAACfags never left, they just adapted. WAACfags don't give a fuck about the lore, setting, aesthetics, etc, they just want to win no matter what. They will never leave.
>>78549821>Like it or not the only people who still buy GW product are purely 40kfags or fanboys who will white knight them until the day they die.Everyone else is an undesirable. What's hard to understand about that?
>>78549719You need to be 18 or older to post on 4chan.
>>78549869>only an underaged would think that the history of the stock matters
>>78549853>Anyone who doesn't like our scifi line is an undesireable even though since the end times released we've done nothing but constantly steal multiple systems from fantasy and incorporate them into the 40k line.>>78549869>I lack reading comprehension the post.
>>78549883You can clearly see the stock prices you love so much before and after wfb died. And your argumrnt is already based on a compleatly retarded stocks=sales.
>>78549883>Anyone who doesn't like our scifi line is an undesireable even though since the end times released we've done nothing but constantly steal multiple systems from fantasy and incorporate them into the 40k line.Yes, and?You're either with GW, or against them. There is no middle ground.
>>78549933>support, love, and play MESBG(the game they don't fully own)Jaque mate!
>>78549954This image perplexes me.
>>78549782>It removed the undesirables from the fanbase,Nah, trannies, homos and women all came along after AoS.
>>78528504The only people I see who are upset at TOW are pessimistic WHFB grogs.
>>78549954I want to be the blonde bride(male)
>>78549992Faggot infestation is a direct result of TWW2 showing Skaven to furries. Things were much better before that came out
>>78549821>You mean the actual customersNo one was buying anything to do with fantasy thats why they killed it lmao. You're coping out of your god damn mind
>>78550100Where are your sources?
>>78550125>man this product is selling really well>yeah lets fucking kill itmy source is utilizing both hemispheres of my brain. Definitely not going to start pulling out graphs of stocks that show literally nothing. Perhaps i'll start pulling out the top 5 Non-Collectible Miniature Lines lists from icv given the level of credibility in the evidence against AoS's supposed lack of sales.
>>78550194>Perhaps i'll start pulling out the top 5 Non-Collectible Miniature Lines listsGo for it. But there's no data you can post that I cannot dismiss as being fake or irrelevant.
>>78550227Same goes for you and your """evidence""" that AoS doesn't sell.
Look at this thread and all those fags thinking whfb will be back to defeat AoS.Delusional cucks, every one of them
>>78551349Dont think for a second people will care more about AoS than Fantasy.
>>78528616>what will even happen to AoS fags?they will just seethe to the fact that AoS is shit and that people dont actually like it.
>>78551349i've not cared to go in depth, but i don't think anyone actually thinks it's there to defeat aosat the moment, it's looking like a grocer selling oranges as well as apples
>>78552560>>78552507cope, no ones playing your forgeworld specialist system with lore set in literally when?
>>78552605>no ones playingage of sigmar either.
>>78552766AoS has come closer to 40k's numbers then WHFB ever did.
The fact that GW killed off and now are bringing back WHFB tells me two things:1) WHFB wasn't as profitable as 40k when it died and more importantly its profits were probably stagnating. GW probably did the math and decided that the opportunity cost of WFB wasn't worth it for a product line that wasn't growing in profits compared to 40k. All of the proof I have seen about how well WHFB sold has been anecdotal (both for it selling well enough and it not making its money back) so if anyone has actually hard number I would love to see them but at this point I don't think it exists. As for why the profits were stagnating, that has been covered by others in this thread (high cost of entry, poor rules, etc.) but basically it boils down to mismanagement of the property.2) I think they are putting TOW out because GW realized that they made a mistake. Not in terms of profitability, but they realized that WHFB was the 500lb gorilla in the room that prevented other companies from being able to access rank and flank fantasy market. KoW, Erehwon, Oathmark, etc. all show that there is interest in that style of game and money to be made there. It might also be a Marvel Comics deal where the "comics" in this case is the wargame which isn't expected to turn a large profit (if any) but instead generate value as an IP that can be licensed out for actual profit. Either way, I expect TOW to be a token attempt to keep WHFB "alive" with basically zero chance of it actually being good or threating GWs main line sales.
>>78552791>AoS has come closer to 40k's numbersAoS is no where remotely close to 40k's numbers. Dont say cringe like that ever again.
>>78552820that wasn't the argument, why are you deflecting?
>>78552832>why are you deflecting?That question is for you. You asked for a source and then deflect with some major cringe.
>>78525316I pray it is! I have high hopes for sure, anon. I expect new and better models. And if it does good, they may even split it from AoS. I love all of Warhammer and I hope so GW doesn't fuck it up. It's good time for me and my friends. And I'm excited to see the new Vampire Counts, Tomb Kings and Bretonnia! For the Lady!
>>78552875>I expect new and better models.They guaranteed will. They wont make money if they dont make new shit.
>>78552904I want to get into Fantasy with official models because they're going to be easier to buy for me. Even buying proxies is expensive for me because of shipping so buying Fantasy models in my country would be great. The old sculpts are kind of derpy but cool to me. They have Oldhammer feel.
>>78552951>AoS is nearly as big as 40k!Now thats coping.
>>78551349It won't kill AoS, but it will draw a lot of people from it, I think. There's a lot of AoS players that just see it as a stop gap game to play until they can get their old setting back. There is also an audience that exclusively likes the new weirder stuff, but they're much smaller than the aforementioned group.
>>78553027thats not what I said lol, what is this delusion?
>>78553037>There's a lot of AoS players that just see it as a stop gap game to play until they can get their old setting back.Source?
>>78553114>>78552791>AoS has come closer to 40k's numbers
>>78548763I’m hyper casual and I’m coming for your hobby :)
>>78553144> then WHFB ever did.comprehension level:grog
>>78527608No, you are. Those specialist games are hollow caricatures of their old versions, and 8th edition is a tactically deficient version of its old self. Although the real fall started in 5th edition.I'm glad you enjoy yourself, but to anyone older than 16, these games are new and rather poor versions of s omething better.
>>78553176That was pure deflection thats why I ignored it. You're clearly trying to implicate Age of Shitmar is close to 40k.
>>78528395What? He's not wrong.
>>78553307>I'm not capable of stating my point correctly so hes obviously just a nigger!Ok ESL.
>>78528883>Stormcasts are the only thing you cant shit on.They literally are one of the biggest reasons AoS turned me off. Truly insane GW managed to make shit as ugly as Stormcast Eternals.
>>78553344Wasted digits on absolute trite, you just cannot win can you?
>>78553389Keep believing AoS is close to 40k.
>>78528584well that and the fact they kept playing the same shit they had since 1989 and not buying anything new.
/leftypol/ defending age of of sigmar again?
>>78552507the do already.
>>78553608Whos they? Your imaginary friends?
>>78553462Yeah, it's great. No more scrabbling to learn yet another set of rules, just comfy games with friends using models that we are all familiar with, allowing us to concentrate on the fun and tactics of the game. No more worrying about some turbo autist turning up and insisting on playing with the latest uber unit they just mortgaged their house for, or pulling obscure rule releases out their ass that no-one in the group has heard of. Just comfy gaming forever, with not a single penny going to GW bloodsuckers anymore. Paradise.
>>78553385It's like saying 40k turns you of cause there is Tau in it. There is mucho more besdes the faction you dont dig
>>78553617Oh, im sorry. You want to talk about the same 4 fags that keep making whfb threads cause they cant live the fact their game was shit and died of natural causes?i know were on 4chan but dont be pathetic
>>78553504>/leftypol/head back to your containment board, you're embarrassing.
>>78552796I doubt they care about other companies. They just want to get richer off of TWW. That's why Kislev got revealed with concept art for the game (that's why Kislev is even in).
>>78553704Go back to sigmarixism. The ONLY people who could like age of smegmar are troons and commies, which one are you?
>>78525316Depends - it can only be good if 10 or 15 mm scale
>>78553662>getting this madlol
>>78553633And when I look into the other factions their aesthetics arent for me either or are just as bad as Stormcasts.
>>78553761I voted UKIP and Leave, so neither, nigger. Are you even old enough to vote?
>>78553662>theirThey never playd it and don't have models.
Probably unpopular opinion: I'd like it to just be Warmaster, with modern game design. Let people collect really big, impressive looking armies so they can play games that look like TW:W.
>>78550194>>78550100People loved fantasy. The problem came, like many, from Kirby, who went full retard on his profit making scheme. Not content with trebling the cost of the models he also had the devs increase the model count in armies by making units cheaper and increasing the standard play size.My friends Chaos Warrior army went from 60 models to well over 100, and my Skaven army became so large i ended up just dumping the models in a massive toolbox because I didn't have the money or hands to be carting 3 to 4 carry cases about with me.Nobody wants to paint 300+ models, especially not when most of those are just glorified wound markers. In addition the price per model meant making armies was impossibly expensive for most players either in or looking to get in to the game. So they moved on to other systems and gw lost out, then blamed players for not dumping hundreds or thousands on armies for a game that was rapidly being sidelined for space marines.>Tl;dr gws greed killed whfb and their narcism meant they blamed players.
>>78554056Not realy. I've seen this said a lot
>>78554056don't know if it's unpopular or not but this is my same thought, i want a rank&flank game with lots of minis without it being impossible to afford
>>78526860The only good thing in Warhammer that's happened was Vermintide (and hopefully Darktide soon). Then again, that's not even on GW, they just let Fatshart use the IP.
>>78554056>WarmasterWarmaster was a 10mm massed battle game, meant to represent larger scale engagements as opposed to whfb representing a regiment or battle meeting it's counter, a small scale engagement. Just as Epic was meant to represent large scale battles in the 40k setting.But gw being gw, they decided to delete these and instead push for larger and larger battles in the (more expensive) main games, breaking the systems in the process.
>>78527854ice princess was a character in 3rd edition WHFB so you don't know what you're talking about. as long as they releasesome battle boxes that are a great deal ill probably buy some, like the old starter boxes, if its like 1000 points a side in the box im down. like the orc vs empire one.
>>78554447Lol, im just going to use my old armies and proxy my empire army.
>>78550194So the source is your headcanon.
I just hope I can play my Orcs & Goblins again.
>>78553131My own experience having played it a lot and talking to others who play it.
>>78525316the one think I dont get is how the fuck is FW supposed to handle it when quorte of the army can be buyed in GW AoS. Ogers, skaven and lizardman exist in AoS.Will there be a price increaced for a fucking square based?
>>78554949They simply won't include them. Brets, Empire, Kislev, Cathay and maybe some token non-human will be the lineup
>>78554949They'll just be under a 'The Old World' tab of the webstore with the same kits, kind of like how Chaos Daemons are now with AoS and 40k.
>>78528007>5th ed grog here.5th edition doesn't qualify for grog status, son.
>>785531898th edition was more tactical than 4th.
>>78525316>Soros owns stock in the companyTurns out the Skaven were the good guys all along, they were just misunderstood and wanted to spread diversity
>>78555128I doubt they'll do this for whole armies. Daemons here and there are one thing, but they want people to buy more miniatures, not simply reuse what they have from other games. What's more likely is that they'll limit the game to just the Western half of the old world. Most of the AOS armies that root from WHFB can be brushed away as "Not near here". Ogres are somewhere in the Steppes, Chaos Dwarfs are in the Mid-East, Dark Elves are in Naggaroth, Lizardmen are in the Lustria, Skaven and Dwarfs are underground. The only ones they can't make an excuse for is Orcs and Goblins.
>>78555298> Night Goblins are in the Worlds Edge Mountains?> Savage Orcs are in the Southlands?> Black Orcs are in the Dark Lands?> Good for you, we have a whole new resin range of common Orcs and Goblins!Forest Goblins get out reeeeee
>>78529075>>78529177Fucking honestly, most IPAs taste like fucking feet. Imperial stouts and bourbon-barrel porters will knock you on your ass without tasting like complete shit.
>>78538776Square bases favor the unit instead of focusing on the individual miniature. They have edges and look like shit. Round bases are always better, there are adapters for square units anyways.
>>78525316They will retcon it to make lore worse, but still better than AoS
>>78555298Nah, no way. Making them compatible across multiple systems is an incredibly lazy and profitable way to generate sales, so they're certain to do it. They're also 100% including Kislev (and therefore probably Ogres), Orcs and Goblins, Wood Elves, and probably High Elves too.
>>78529108>>78529177All beer has a bunch of phytoestrogen you goofus. Most all food you eat does. I hope you don't eat grain, fruit, vegetables meat, eggs, or dairy. Or you're going to end up even more a small dick sissy boy than you already are.
>>78556290>tfw can't turn into an anime girl on a diet of beer and meat
>>78555171Sure thing zoom zoom. Push your men's into the centre and make bang bang noises, I'll be figuring vehicle facings and squad positioning.
>>78555171>Removes flanking>Removes proper target priority, replacing it with some gimmicky character bullshit>Adds CCG mechanics to the game in the form of stratagems>This is somehow more tactical
>>78556458You might not turn into a girl by getting sufficiently drunk, but I swear you might get turned into one when I get sufficiently drunk~
>>78556458>can't turn into an anime girl on a diet of beer and meatGod I wish I could
>>78558084*hands you a bottle of scotch*
>>78526860Warcry. Yeah, I said it.
>>78526860have people make video games
>>78559304that's a good start, now we gonna need pair of programming socks, quality olive oil and some lemons
>>7855795340k has never been tactical lel. 4th ed was fun, sure, but "charge forward and fight" was still very much the name of the game.
>>78548763>>With respect, sir, you can't just make normies disappear.
>>78560896>eeeeeeeyes I can. I'm Games Workshop.
>>78553991>voted UKIP and Leave>sigmarine picTruly, the lowest of the low. I hope at least your buttocks are smooth.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FK-oWA7Oj8
>>78553991Confirmed mentally ill, therefore troon.
>>78552875You are very wholesome anon. I hope it turns out well for you and your friends
Everything GW does is absolute horse shit. But that's OK.I'll still keep buying that garbage.
>>785390159th age is basically a turnament version of warhammer fantasy designed by a community that is obsessed with balance wich totally takes the fun away from the game in my experince
>>78525316No it will be worse than the current situation, it will actually poison the memory of fantasy while shitmar can't really touch it. Every single thing new 'good' GW has done has been a massive monkey paw>warhammer quest but there's no actual warhammer >necromunda but it's fucking dreadful>epic but it is not epic and is overpriced to an extent you think even GW would blush (the old and credible rumours were that epic would come back but all units would be released in army boxes, actually sounded good)>bigger marines but instead of just making them bigger they also shit all over the lore and have donald duck masks>plastic sisters but they're deliberately ugly men, nigresses in party wigs and way out of scaleI'm just waiting for new cadians that look like inquisitor scale compared to the old ones
>>78526860The Dogs of War army book
>>78526860adeptus mechanicus army coming to 40k.Mini's were good, rules were good, went off seamlessly.So like 2015
>>78564338>Laughably small range>Split the army into two factions just to make you buy another book>No transports>Few HQ options; it's only now that you are getting a proper skitarii leader>high price per points costAd Mech on release were a shitshow, and the price tag they want today for them feels prohibitive.
>>78527696>>it’s being headed by forge worldWelp, that's dead on arrival.
>>78527696>So here’s what we know for sure>>set during the war of the three emperors>>will include empire, kislev, bretonnia, orcs, and high elves at least>>it uses square bases>>it’s being headed by forge worldwheres the sauce?
>>78552791Is that surprising when 40k is nosediving in its playerbase? Its just primaris paypiggies facing each other ad nauseam.
>>78561267>>78561221fuming globalist queer lords from germany.
>>78568774Any more empty buzzwords to throw at people as your country gets fucked by the vagaries and greed of your political class?
>>78553991>I voted UKIP and Leavelegit made me chortle
are vampire counts coming back thats all ive ever wanted>ill just end up playing empire if they arent
The sad part is that not only will the kits they make to cover for the OOP shit be stupidly expensive, they are also going to be cheaper than what scalpers want for the originals.This is the future we chose.
>>78568790>Germanoids talking about other countries getting rapedAhmed pleas, don't do it to yourself
>>78568929Did not disappoint on the empty buzzwords. What a good lad.
>>78527926It's specialist games, who make a lot of plastic these days.
>>78569147Now if only they could do MESBG in plastic and also keep it in stock.
>>78568790>Implying Germany is so much better
Fantasy is at its best right now, without GW's venomous claws stuck in it. Don't wait for ToW, get your friends together and start playing now!
>>78569456That's cool and all but I want my fucking glade riders.
>>78560739Tell yourself that kid, not all of us played Smurf Marines.
>>78569456Based and redpilled.
>>78568774>globalist queer lords says, as he posts an anime pic.
>>78568689>set during the war of the three emperorsMap includes heraldry of famous TO3E characters like Louen Orcslayer and MEmpress Magritta>>will include empire, kislev, bretonnia, orcs, and high elves at leastMap includes these factions prominently and designer commentary>>it uses square basesThe first teaser for the game was 'everything comes back around, even squares' >>it’s being headed by forge worldAnnouncement video was from Tony Cottrell, all artists involved so far are FW staff.
>>78555221You're like one of the kids who treat 6th ed of WFB as oldhammer...
>>78570214> 'everything comes back around, even squares'This does not necessarily imply squares. Among other things, because they did not use "around", but "round". Which could also be read as "everything comes back rounded, even squares". It is a play of words meant to reveal little.My money is on WotR square trays, with round bases within. Single model removal has largely fallen out of favor with mass battle games.
>>78570560Anon the announcement trailer literally shows a standard square base front and fucking center with those words.
>>78571022I think that's the one thing I don't give a fuck about coming back from wf
>>78571004>>78571022Yes, and until I see miniatures based on 20mm squares I won't believe that's what they are going to do.Because if they were, they would not be so cryptic about it, there would be images of SOMETHING on a square. They have NOTHING to gain over not making it crystal clear... unless they are going to do what I said, square trays with round bases. And they keep it quiet until closer to reception so as not to have a shitstorm raging for years.This would also accommodate the players (read: clients) that started playing with AoS.
>>78571341>closer to receptioncloser to release
>>78553633Even one retardedly bad choice like the storm cast are enough to ruin a world when it’s best entrants are rehashed and stripped down races of an old game or the same race with an ip friendly name, some child tier lore and cow hats .
>>78571341They literally said square bases are coming back in one of the earliest announcements. Low effort bait or retard
>>78553628Most based comment here.
>>78552796Nice retarded economic theory crap.You want real economic fact:They bought fucking LOTR license, did you expect them to be cannibalized by WFB?
TOW will be shit because it will be a niche market for faggets willing to pay crazy prices for shitty resin models a la HH, meanwhile mass marketing will continue with Aos & Wh40k with chinese plastic mass production.
To be honest, I actually wouldn't mind slotted movement trays because unless you're a skirmisher, the base doesn't fucking matter for rank and file. As someone who played fantasy and still has a whole wood elf army on square bases, it was a pain in the ass getting everything to line up properly, especially because they had tiny ass bases.
>>78572023Wow this post is so wrong that it has to be bait
>>78526860as in a totally new concept? Probably Warcry.
>>78572023HH is about to get plastic production so TOW will likely get plastic support. Everything coming out of Forge World at the minute suggests that GW want integration and to distance themselves from the FW controversies.
>>78525826>it'll be expensive as fuckeverything from gw already is
Just excited to play against people with my gloomspite gits, oldworld will fit just as good for them.