Previous: >>77692675>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the OFFICIAL format philosophy, laid down by the rules committee:https://mtgcommander.net/>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.http://www.edhrec.com/>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity.http://mtglands.com/>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices.http://www.tappedout.net>CARD SEARCHhttps://scryfall.com>How do I proxy cards?https://www.mpcautofill.com/guide>TQ:How often do you actually win games of edh?
>>77695252I win about 80% of the time, sometimes I go snoozy/funmode and my playgroup has yet to notice.
>>7769525230% of the time.
Angels are just good monsters and sincd I am a monster fucker I will smash the shit out of every white skinned, soft winged, plump breasted, fertile angel mommy in the multiverse. If your planeswalker fantasy is different then you arent playing MTG properly and should quit playing.
Every single time unless I actively sandbag. No one in my group has been able to tell if I'm sandbagging or not. I taught them all how to play, none of the students have surpassed the master yet.
>>77695252>How often do you actually win games of edh?I have never lost with my gaddock teeg deck but I feel dirty playing it and it gets boring as fuck once the third hatebear is out >>77695274What if my planeswalker fantasy is to bool on Lorwyn and skip town to Kamigawa when the sun sets
>>77695283What is booling?
>>77695293It refers to using boolean operators.
>How often do you actually win games of edh?40% of the time since i play really chaotic/random decks with group slug tactics. I prefer to have fun playing with my friends, winning is just a consequence.Also, i just bought Elven Empire, is it a meme deck? How would you guys improve it?Just bought
>>77695293Yelling at people and forcing them to listen to you. He wants to go yell at them then leave when they'd turn to kill him for it.Lefty slang essentially.
>>77695314I just got the elf precon too and the best way to improve it is to go all in on tokens and general aristocrat staples grave pact is an absolute must
>>77695309>>77695318So he wants to chimp out at midgets and elves and then teleport to cyberpunk japan? What a dumb weeb fantasy. 0/10 huge mistake at not fucking the angels.
>>77695314>is it a meme deck?I got my ass kicked by one dude running an upgraded version
>>77695329No no I’m also crushing angel pussy
>>77695252>TQ10% to 20% probably. I'd probably do better in a group with worse players kek.
>>77695293Booling is black slang for chilling.Bool is as >>77695318 says. Commies use bool (never booling/boolin') when talking about going to talk to people. Always associated with talking down to. You wouldn't bool your peers, but you would go bool the yuppies at your non-profit as you ask them to open their wallets.His fantasy is to be a karen to those tribals.
>>77695340Oh the other shit is whatever as long as you're smashing the gaurdians of morality on any paticular realm. I would learn red chronomancy so I could wheel of fortune into alternate timelines and fuck the same angel whos a different person and then rinse and repeat. Cant get into walker duals when Im skipping between timelines.
>>77695318>>77695353No you fucking retards, I want to help them with First Order Logic and computational linguistics via studying boolean operators
Did the planar beacon literally force planes walkers onto ravnica or was it just an “oooo shiny magic” type thing
>>77695368Then say that instead of using communist rhetoric about talking down to your lessers.
>>77695379forced them, its how sorin got freed I guess.
>>77695379Ravnica itself is the center of the multiverse I thought. Them all appearing there is because it was the center.I eat glue though so things get mixed up easily.>>77695368You really think they need a lesson on true false reasoning considering what happens there?
>>77695379>Did the planar beacon literally force planes walkers onto ravnica or was it just an “oooo shiny magic” type thingIt was originally supposed to be just a planeswalker detector but it was altered to be a planeswalker magnet that drew people into Ravnica instead of their original destination.
>>77695395That was dominaria. The name means the wheel of dominia in some fantasy language where dominia is the name of the multiverse. In time spiral the nexus that made dominaria the center of reality was altered and now its a mystery plane we havent been to yet.
>>77695395>Ravnica itself is the center of the multiverse I thoughtNo that’s dominaria
he's fun if you build him around banding
>>77695561He needs flash. Banding does work well with him, but only if opponents go ham on trample. Give him vigilance, reach and all of the "may block additional creature" things you can. And then cry uncontrollably when opponent uses removal on him or attacks with anything that has Menace.
>>77695561He's so flavorful around the Blackblade and his family history, but i'm not a huge Naya fan, so i built a Korlash, heir to Blackblalde Voltron with swamps matter techs. It goes crazy every now and then.
The fuckers at my lgs that once talked shit about me building a voltron uril, now keep saying its too curbstompy and to tone it down a bit or build something else. I hate blue players so fucking much.
I fucking love this card.
>>77695695>"please tone down your deck"He's a pussy. My fav EDH strats are literally Voltron and ppl who complains about it are always Simic/mono blue players also. I remember some asshole at my lgs with a Vendilion Clique as his commander and like 40 counterspells on his deck saying that my Thrun Voltron was "unfair to play against", well of course, when your strats are just countering shit and waiting for that Runechanter's Pike to do the work ans Voltron deck that can keep up with a ton o crap counters will seem "too op". What a bunch of crybabies...
>>77695734Keeping that in mind, as a mono black player: Should i aim for some new mono nlack cards?I mean, are there any new staples or underrated cards im overlooking? Please, elighten me /tg/.
>>77695756Thats basically it, those fuckers pack mana drain, all the free counterspells, cyclonic rift and dramatic scepter in every fucking deck containing blue, but fuck you if you wanna stand up to them with shit thay cant target.
>>77695776not really a staple but i feel it's underrated. Can help other players too. If you want.
>>77695831Love this guy in my Tresserhorn deck, exceptional taste.
any good lists for this?
>>77695927>Theros' Fates have to physically find a guy and basically hand him a Black Spot to be able to weave his fateFucking pathetic ass plane.
>I really hope you guys arent casting your commander this soon.
>>77695881Dauthi Embrace is better.
>>77695561I wonder why they didn't made him a planeswalker except they want this to do later as "Jared, Shadow Mage" or soething like that. Hope to see Ravidel on a card as well.
>>77695991>Not turn oneWhat is this, amateur hour?
Was Kaldheim the Timmyest set we've had in a while?
>>77695456>>77695457They’ve since confirmed that Ravnica is the new nexus.
>>77695991The absolute dogshit precon she comes in can drop her on turn 2 lel
>>77696220Ikoria was much more of a Tummy set.
>>77696003way more expensive
>>77695252>TQ32.3529% of the time according to my records, so a bit above the expected average.
>>77696275Ikoria was more johnny than timmy in the end
>>77695379No, it's implied Ravnica is a very important plane and a lot of planeswalkers know about it so they rushed in to help
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1182023#pringrles_parnkleswanna take a look and make suggestions? It's been a while since I've been excited about a deck.
>>77695991>casting a 4cmc creature on turn 4The horror
>>77695379The disparity between what takes place on the card art vs in the novel makes many details of WAR blurrier than they should have been.
>>77695991Wait, are they implying a 3 color deck can't possibly add all its colors on turn 4? Shivam isn't the dumbest on the discord?
>>77695991Stop going to sites or groups that will make you upset.
>>77696618It makes us laugh
I built him last night as I really wanted a home for my deranged hermit. Seems fun as fuck
>>77696618laughing at retards != upset
why do people get filtered by this card? It lets you do some amazing plays even t1.
How do you guys make card choice decisions when it comes to powerlevel?When I build a deck I have a habit of looking up the most optimal lists when the best most efficient cards to put in the deck, how can you rationalize putting in strictly worse cards knowing the better version exists?I understand that it comes down to playgroup powerlevel etc but how do you guys make your card choices when trying to keep a deck at a lower powerlevelAnd on a side note, my playgroup says I have a habit of playing decks that are not enjoyable to play against, what is a good option for a fun deck that my friends won’t have an awful time playing against, I was considering a group hug style deck but I’ve never played one before and don’t know much about it
>>77696769I have it in my zur deck but I haven’t used it yet, I’m also not sure if my deck is made to abuse it aside from just having 2 more black mana
I think this card is confusing and I'm tired of pretending it isn't.
>>77696817I'm proud of you coming out as a retard
>>77696797in zur you are probably playing phyrexian arena, dark tutelage, necropotence, oppression and the like right? It's not really a card that needs to be abused as much as it's just nice to make that sweet play one or two turns earlier
>>77696857Is dark tutelage worth playing? I do play phyrexian arena/necropotence/ad nauseam, but something about an ad naus that I can’t choose to stop (I know it’s only once per turn but still) scares me a bit with how much life I lose in zur.
>>77696817Is it because it says Massacre Girl despite depicting a boy? Because otherwise I have no idea what could be so confusing.
>>77697041Don't project your fantasies on card art
>>77696817It's similar to Last Laugh but for brainlets
>>77697097That's clearly a dude with danger hair and shitty makeup.
>>77696817I'm a certified retarded and I get it.>>77697067Based slug.
>>77695776Every mono-B player should have Imp's Mischief
>>77696415He said tummy cause of that fat bonder with the dangerhair
>>77697114I'd even say dimir decks should run it
>>77696817I just noticed the confetti falling in the art and am once again reminded how much i love rakdos flavor
>>77696769I have several copies because I consider it an autoinclude. There are enough busted black 1 drops to make it well worth the slot. Depending on how hard I want to fuck, I may also run Cabal Ritual and Cull the Weak etc.
>>77696781>When I build a deck I have a habit of looking up the most optimal lists when the best most efficient cards to put in the deckI start by not doing this shit. Replacing cards is always harder than building a list to begin with, so if you start with an optimized deck it’s going to be much harder to reign it in. If you start with a pile you’ve put together, you can incrementally make key improvements to bring it up to the desired power level and then just stop when you reach it.>what is a good option for a fun deck that my friends won’t have an awful time playing againstThe crucial distinction between a deck that’s fun to play against and one that isn’t is how much agency an opponent has. The more choices they get to make, the more opportunities they have to interact with your gameplan, the more fun it will be for them to go up against. Similarly, the fewer points of interaction there are and the more the deck works to deny them the ability to make choices and take actions, the less fun they’ll have.Note that part of this choices/interaction paradigm can hinge less on your cards explicitly allowing opponents to make choices, and more on the possibility that your advances can also be to their benefit. For instance, if I’m playing burn and another player is running some Orzhov life-manipulation deck, the direct damage that I dish out will interact with anything that cares about their opponents losing life.This doesn’t mean that group hug is necessarily the pinnacle of “fun to play against,” since you’re accelerating everyone, including their other opponents. Group hug can often just mean that everyone plays their deck a bit faster than normal. It’s more about your deck’s presence changing the game by adding another dimension of play to consider.
>>77697067kino and fun
>>77696769>red version never everI get it, but I also hate it.
>>77697012i personally don't run it because i have lots of timmy high cmc drops for cabal coffers/stronghold/magus, but i figure it's good in zur in the more competitive build
>>77697251Really well said anon, faggot.
Which blink deck is more fun? Aminatou or Brago?
>>77697272Red's rituals are fine.
>>77696781>not enjoyable to play againstmost of the time that means they don't like any type of interaction. Horseshoe theory on timmies and combofags not liking you blew up their precious card that was totes gonna win. It's lame but a UGx deck without any removal but also no combos, just pure selfjerk value, will generally be regarded as "fun".
>>77697579This. I used to water down my decks and no matter how piss weak it would be, people would still complain about it. Unironically the solution is to make STRONGER decks so they can realize the shit you were playing with before wasn't as bad
>>77695776This probably common knowledge but I think picrel belongs in any black deck. Cast for free and you don't have to bother wondering if your opponent's first creature spell is just bait or not. Also the art is good.
I refuse to add cards with the words "Commander" or "Command Zone" in their effects to my decks.
>>77697620I don't like the art but I do like the card, especially in metas where people will shit out a ton of tokens. Ad the resident mono-B player in my group, for a while whenever I would say "On your end step", they would preemptively put their creatures in the grave
How’s Syr Konrad as my choice for mono black? Do I just focus on making opponents sacrifice creatures, discard/mill cards, and reanimating my own, or should I go for a more narrow focus?
>>77697669I refuse to run any card from Eldr*ine or Ik*ria but you do you>>77697647I only run one card with the word "Commander" in it. Pic related
>tfw you get ~$30 worth of cards for ~$5Based Japanese print runs
>>77695252I win a lot because I bring cedh decks to casual pods. Gotta get that cursed totem combo, it's too fun.
>>77697669Syr Konrad is probably my favorite card from eldraine. I built him more focused on mill and reanimation because you can get more synergy between those two strats. Its worth adding more commander protection than normal because he starts fairly expensive and you really want him alive in case you draw into a mindcrank or a morality shift or even a humble tormod's crypt.
>>77696817>when massacre girls ETBs, all other creatures get -1/-1 until end of turn, if a creature dies this way each other creature gets an additional -1/-1 until of end of turn, repeat this until no creature dies from this ability
>>77697669Just kill the table with Morality Shift
>>77698015this post was made by an anon who got btfo by temple of the false god
>>77695252I win about 40-50%. If I find myself winning any more, I run weaker decks. If I find myself dropping too many games, I use stronger ones and tune up. It's not like I'm playing significantly better decks than the people around me, it's that in every game there's 1-2 of the people who are just incapable of building consistent decks at any power level, or lack skills like threat assessment.
>>77698039Temple of the False God is an awful card and I tell my pod this all the time.
>>77695252Probably 30% of the time. My decks aren't super pubstompy powerful, but they can win out of nowhere and keeps a relatively low profile so I've usually got a good shot when other people have exhausted their resources.
>>77697824>Syr Konrad is probably my favorite card from eldraine>Choices for mono-B Legends are an old man out past his bed time, some weird faggot faerie guy and an old spinster who murders her husbands>Choices for Mono-W Legends are a 5c legend who got raped in lore and married a chimp, Keegan-Michael Key and OprahJesus fuckin wept. Is it too much to ask for a legend that ISNT fucking lame?
>>77695314Doubling SeasonPriest of TitaniaElvish Champion
>>77698120I don't disagree. I only run it in one deck solely because I have no extra ancient tomb but you must understand temple is more broken than jeweled lotus
>>77698151>an old spinster who murders her husbandsI personally think this is hilarious, but you do you anon.
>>77695991Anon why cut out the second half
>>77697647I refuse to run any commanders that don't mention the command zone
>>77698177This is acceptable, it's turn 4 lol.
>>77698168What's the context here? That temple of the false god is better or equal to Jeweled Lotus? No one actually thinks this, correct?
>>77698151We get plenty of legends that aren’t lame, you’re just focusing on the lamest colors in the game.
>>77697669He's very fun and strong. Eldraine was a really fun set, I don't give a shit about 60lets
>>77698197I’d absolutely run Temple before Lotus in any of my decks. Temple’s bad, but Lotus is just dreck.
Do people still hate lifegain/loss shenanigans and regardless of that should I make Oloro or Liesa?
>>77698215*Laughs in urza*
>>77698190I don’t necessarily disagree but if you’re dying on turn 4 in a casual pod because you just happen to be open that kind of sucks, and it’s not the same as “he cast his commander turn 4”
>>77697669Consider milling yourself, casting Forever Young, then milling yourself again.
>>77698231Sure. There are a lot of cards that are generally bad, but shine powerfully in a handful of decks. But, outside of those decks, the cards are still bad.
>>77698215This is some pretty desperate reputation fixing Shivam. Reminder that temple of the false god is ALWAYS useless, while lotus can help power out your commander 3 turns early if you're playing monocolor or there's at least 2 generic Mana in its cost (including command tax)
>>77698252If Jeweled Lotus is so bad remind me again why it's $80?
>>77698197There was some noise over jeweled lotus and requests to ban it, the resident retard on the RC said that in his reasoning why it shouldn't be banned
>>7769826890 last I checked
Overhyped card thats why
Jeweled lotus is a fucking atrociously good auto include and anytime Sheldon helps WOTC print shit like that god kills a kitten
>>77698278Good fuck cats
>>77698292>t. Lost to cat white weenies
>>77698268Jeweled Lotus is bullshit and anyone who says otherwise is a homo, but let's not pretend that price equals power.
>>77698310Price does equal power for fierce guardianship, though. It currently costs more than the precon it was in, and if that’s not telling idk what is.
>>77698292Don't mind if I do!
>>77698302nobody plays kemba or brimaz in my meta and dogs are the superior pet anyways try again
>>77698200My point is that on a faerie tale plane with a focus on Knights, we didn't get a single cool Legendary Knight in the two primary Knight colors>>77698230Make Selenia>>77698302Generous Stray is literally just a stray cat and it beats out any 1/1 token ever printed
>>77698325Why not just buy the precon and take the card out of it?
>>77698357Because the precon sits at 80 because of that fucking card.
>>77698362I should have bought that entire cycle of precons desu
>>77698168how does one get so impossibly retarded and insecure you have to double down on such a stupid take. Just by virtue of being a curry?
>>77698357Because everyone already bought them because it dropped a year ago
>>77698325Sure but there's always RL retardation like for Juzam Djinn, or Goyf which doesn't really see play that much anymore but still has that tag because of price memory.
How long do you wait for a late card before contacting the seller? Have you ever got a refund and then the card still showed up?
>>77698278Yeah, but lots of people get filtered by it. It's a viable include in nearly every deck up to 3 colours from Craw to cEDH.
>>77698394I waited a month once and got a refund but then the card came anyway so I had to contact the seller and pay them back. It was really annoying.
>>77698363Rinn and Seri is just a reddit deck or one you make for your girlfriend(male) to get into magic
>>77698394Two weeks, but as soon as I stopped buying from Italians I never had any issue with delivery.
Do you ever build tribes off-color?
>>77698168Legendary double down
>>77698394Depends on where you live and when you ordered it. If you're in the US and your passage had to route through Texas expect a week or two in delay.
>>77698268Because people see “Commander Lotus” and think it MUST be good because muh lotus, and store are only too happy to charge high prices.
>>77698437not so much tribes but i like doing things in colors that usually dont support those things. stuff like blue braids and wort
>>77698439The weird part is that normally Shivam is kinda based. He's like a hardcore craw dude who doesn't like made for commander stuff and got into magic with a stasis Serra angel deck.
>>77698408Why contact them?
>>77698278>auto includeNot really. It only helps you cast one card out of 100, and does dick all for the rest of your strategy unless you’re doing Cheerios or something.
>>77698475Well I got my card. It would be wrong of me to keep the money, especially when they didn't do anything wrong on their part, they shipped the card the day I ordered it.
>>77698437>Do you ever build tribesNo>>77698421>be Italian>guy from the US is trying to buy some dumb Angel card I own>reminds me of my own big-titted, pale Italian gf>go bang her>post-coitus, forget what I was doing in the first place>card remains unsentCan you blame them?>>77698469>The weird part is that normally Shivam is kinda basedHe doesn't even understand the fundamental rules of the format, how is that anything but cringe
>>77698278yeah its a real workhorse in my Rograkh/Keleth deck. the card was intended for all those massively overcosted commanders anyone that actually plays that card is only going to do something degenerate and immediately turns the game into archenemy.
>>77698469Honestly I think it’s more a contrarian reaction to people hyping it up in spoiler season more than anything. Hindsight is 20:20 and if you asked him now he’d probably agree it’s better than he thought
>>77698495He's like the perfect representation of a timmy craw wurm player, that's why they keep him around.
>>77698516Basically he's the representation for the actual target audience of edh. Casuals who just wanna chill.
>>77698439Who are these people and where is this even from?
>>77698495>big-titted>ItalianWith a national average at B-cup? Unlikely.
>>77698491>0 mana that at best lets you cheese out commander turn one or two and at worst let’s you dodge a round of tax and then some>not an autoinclude in about 80% of decks
>>77698493They're paid Wizard shills. They've been given enough money. Fuck them.
>>77698546What is the best country for oppai aficionados?
>>77698541It's the discord server for the commander rules committee, and the shivam guy is a member of the commander advisory group, the group of community figures who advises the people who make rules for our format.
>>77698541Official rules committee discord, some weird people there
>>77698555Yeah I don't care. Stealing is wrong. Plus it was just some lgs selling singles on tcgplayer.
>>77698405It's a dead draw past turn 6 unless you have artifacts shenanigans
>>77698567guarantee this guy has never built a deck without green in it
>>77698567>>77698562Fuck man, I thought Discord was just the new Teamspeak for people playing online games together. Also, isn't the Advisory group just some random mooks that are just there so the actual group can say they "listen to feedback from the community" like they're the token black friend you have to say you're not racist?
>>77698604Or unless you've got an expensive commander you wanna power out early. Or wanna pay command tax and then some.
>>77698604Oast turn 6 your commander will have eaten enough removal that he's a bitch to cast if you have any group worth their salt.
>>77698620Yeah but the rc actually listens to them. They banned Iona because a guy in the cag said they should, and changed the death rules because a cag member didn't understand the old rules. This was all Shivam btw, the most active member of the cag.
>>77698620A sane person uses it as a hybrid Skype/TeamSpeakThe lunatics try to use it as a social media platform
>>77698624That's why I said past turn 6 and not past turn 3
>>77698554I prefer not having dead draws. If your gameplan is completely shut out by being without your commander for a turn or two, you need to rethink your deck.
>>77698639Heard u guys like mail. Guay and nielsen cards look great as always.
>>77698635The death rule change is good though
>>77698635>changed the death rules because a cag member didn't understand the old rulesIt's still a good change even if it was made for a bad reason
>>77698659Didn't mean to quote
>>77698665>>77698674I was just using it as an example of things they've done because somebody on the cag told them to. I disagree about how good it is but that's irrelevant.
>>77698567To be fair people here do that too.>"Selesnya is for cucks!">"Don't play Simic, it's for tryhards"
>>77698567>>77698615Don't know why people are posting me here but no, I play orzhov and monored
>>77698625>Qatar are both chestlets and fat fucks at the same timeFucking how.
>>77698659>Le Tosco Penno HombreHow about you order cards in human languages?
>>77698698/edhg/ shits on every color combination.
>>77698706Wait dude don't, the mods scour this thread for people to ban.
>>77698725I mean for all anyone knows I'm just pretending to be some random retard, plus VPNs exist
Orzhov is my fav and I don't enjoy it being memed into curryniggers. So please refrain from doing so or I will have to seethe and possibly cope.
>>77698736But pic related is a euro queen
>>77698733I'm just saying, either you're meming to try and get some poor rando banned, or you are him and you're gonna get banned from the server and have to come in with an alt which they're super paranoid of.
>>77698567I am this person and I hate trannies
>>77698659Looks sweet dude, love that angelic renewal and eternal witness.
>>77698215>shitvam ballsack trying to repair his retard reputation fuck off you filthy pajeet. go back to sucking sheldons cancer ridden cock.
>>77698716italian is not spanish levels of good but miles better than whatever inmate inbred shit we are speaking now
>>77698674>>77698665Good change maybe, but done in a shit way. Giving nerfs or buffs to existing commanders because of rules change.
>>77698828>>77698836That was kind of the point though, no? Elenda was worthless before the change.
>>77698759I am Shivam and I will get you banned because I hate whites.
>>77698844Jokes on you I already asked shivam if he browses here and he said he doesn't.
>>77698698You're not selling your soul for playing Simic or Sissynylea. You'll just be selling your ass for daddies for free.
>>77698843Elenda was great in Eddie.
>>77698862I guess she was anticipating somebody trying to exile her?
>>77698843>Elenda was worthless before the change.She was great, you just had to run some recursion in the best creature recursion colors in the game.I'm not sure why the rule even changed, I don't think it needed to. I don't believe the memes in /edgh/ about it changing because someone was too dumb to understand.
>>77698867Only if you were bending the rules to make her vamps without taking her to the command zone or ran graveyard recursion out the ass (although I guess in a sac deck you were already doing that so maybe I am just retarded)
>>77698884I was talking about Elenda in Edgar Markov where she is a house, meaning she wasn't useless.
>>77698882Yeah I'm just being retarded, sorry it's early
>>77698882it's not a meme, it was in the article where they changed it. https://mtgcommander.net/index.php/2020/06/07/june-7-announcement-on-dies-triggers/
>>77698799Still better than ebonics, though.
>>77698900Couldn't tell if eddie was slang for edh or edgar, my bad
>>77698914English is just the ebonics of the world.
>>77698751precisely, shitvam is just trying to reverse colonize
>>77698906Jesus. Fucking. Christ. How horrifying.Was it that hard to understand a replacement effect? Is there a way to remove these chucklefucks from making choices about the format?
>>77698914on that we can agree fo sho
>deck masters necropotence currently at 175lmao last time i checked it was at 40
>>77698987>Mfw sold mine at 40A-at least I got it for cheap...
>>77698963It did get rid of people miscounting death triggers like "oh fuck I counted my commander for Zulaport, let me redo it".
>>77698843I'm angry that we got a retarded version of what we should have and there was collateral damage.
>>77698987fuck me i need that for my cube. ugh fucking hell.
>>77699001That's not that big of a problem though. It's minus one trigger. No one I play with didn't understand the replacement effect, and it only took a few times to stop making that mistake.Tivadar, get the cross.
>>77698828Any rules change is going to result in some decks being stronger or weaker than before. There’s no real way to avoid that, but some changes are worth making anyway.
>>77699048That's a more mellow example. I have people punting with this shit because they thought they'd have more triggers and fucked up the boardstate enough that we had to rewind it all.
>>77698604It helps me get a turn 3 Niv-Mizzet Parun, so idgaf.
>>77699048And what precisely is the value in being shorted those triggers?
>>77699071Exactly, some are. This wasn't.
What's up with the creatures that cost like 3 to play and have an 8 cost activated ability? Why do they make those?
>>77699097More intuitive flow of play and interaction with death triggers is a pretty solid reason to make a change. The only real collateral damage is Obzedat.
>>77698932This. English is language for retards.
>>77699111Limited. Note that they’ve mostly shown up in Scourge and Zendikar formats, both of which focused on ramping.
For some reason I felt like buying packs, bought 3 Commander Legends and 1 Kaldheim pack.Got a Mana Drain and alt art Vorinclex. I already pulled a foil Vorinclex as a promo when i did some pre-release shit with my friends. I guess they just really want me to play him, huh?thanks for reading my blog
>>77699121Any language is retarded if you look at it long enough.
>>77699124It feels like even in other formats like standard they'd cost so much when other cards in your deck that are high price would be a lot better to play
>>77699113It's not more intuitive it's opened up a can of corner case worms and makes far less sense now. Stop trying to cover and say the old way didn't make sense Shivam.
>>77699132>For some reason I felt like buying packsWish I never got this itch because I hate WOTC, but I've just been getting packs with store credit.
>>77699132same, i just really like the game store and the people working there are great so i want to help their business because i imagine it's kinda shit right now
>>77699213That's why I buy sleeves/boxes/dice from my LGS, but cards are exclusively proxies.
>>77699227that's probably a better solution, honestly
>>77699153>making the rules work the same as people intuitively thought they worked isn't making them more intuitive
>>77699261If only they actually did that. The old ways were still more intuitive. Stop trying to cover for being retarded.
Anyone know any pastoral/church themed cards that don't show the clerics performing genuine magic or depict angels? I'm trying to finalize a no magic deck with pic related
>>77699299If people got it wrong, it wasn't intuitive by definition
Why does this card not see more play? It basically kills trample.
>>77695314Elven empire is pretty good straight out of the box for a precon. To improve it, replace high cc janky cards with 1 cc manadork elves
>>77699327People still get it wrong, retarded people will always get things wrong. There are people who couldn't get water out of a boot even if you told them the instructions were written on the heel. The original way deaths worked was much simpler and made a lot more sense.
>>77699334It wouldn't stop excess damage getting through if you didn't block it all.
>>77699342Great card, but might be breaking the bank a bit for what's mostly a joke deck
>>77699359>The original way deaths worked was much simpler and made a lot more sense.Obviously not, that's why the change exists
>>77699359then what does make it "intuitive"? that you personally like it better?
>>77699375Yes it would. It's the same as when you have a banding creature block a trample creature, since you're in charge of all damage assignment you can choose not to overflow.
>>77699398The changes exist because the majority of the cag are of the unable to empty the boot kind of people.
>>77699412Is it worth it to get into proxies? Worried that randos will bitch me out over it, and I don't have a dedicated playgroup irl. I mostly just play on tabletop sim.
>>77699407No, what makes it "intuitive" is being simpler.
>>77699300Is Mikaeus doing any magic? I don't think he's even shown doing magic in lore.
>>77699433Is it worth it to buy pieces of cardboard that are artificially inflated to be worth hundreds of dollars, hell, even tens of dollars each, for $20 per deck plus international shipping and handling? Absolutely.
>>77699398Shivam not understanding what a replacement effect is or why the rules are structured that way really isn't my problem.>>77699407That it was a replacement effect dealing with a new zone entirely, and it did so in line with how any other replacement effect would be handled. The "intuitive" aspect is that it worked as you thought it would if you knew how the rules
>>77699300Man, you give him indestructible and he's tanking shit like crazy
>>77699433If you play with randos you aren't ready. Proxies are for grown ups who understand its a casual game between friends. But yes, their proxies are good enough you will not have other people noticing they are proxies unless you tell them they are.
>>77699460He's a lil bit too associated with Avacyn for my tastes, but I might consider it, since I can't dodge mentions of serra most of the time either.
>>77699491I mean, if they look for the copyright info they will, but who does? And if you get some of the more out there alternate arts lmao.
>>77699441simple as in "if a creature dies you get triggers, except if it's your commander, because [tirade about replacement effects]"?
>>77699492Yeah I think you'd have to drop that rule since most of the cleric/faith based cards have to do with Avacyn/Serra.
>>77699334Because in reality you choosing isn't going to let you change anything.
>>77699487Someone pointed out to me that he can fend off two grizzly bears and kill one with his bare hands and I realized I wanted to build him>>77699463It's not like I want to or even do buy cards for stupidly high prices (almost all the packs I've ever opened were fnm prizes or prerelease events, of which I've only done two), I mostly play with an inherited collection anyway.
>>77699139exactly, that's why they're for limited.reading the post explains the post
>>77699327Everyone in the entire world except one shitskin got it. My 7 year old cousin got it.
>>77699519>tirade about replacement effectsReplacement effects are a normal thing in the game. This isn't a long or complicated thing, it's just normal. Or do you think you should get death triggers with rest in peace out?
>>77699525I'm not saying it's amazing but in the right deck it's 1 mana to stop trample with a single weenie
>>77698963now you understand just one of the reasons we dislike Shiva, someone so stupid they changed the rules for him
>>77699519Do other creatures go to a new zone instead of dying or being exiled? Your commander does. And that was like rule 1 when playing commander and had been that way for about a decade.
>>77699524Still some of the older serra cards like Abbey Matron genuinely just look like real world christian worshipers, Mikeaus is clearly more leaning into a grand scale fantasy. Still might run him though.
>>77699536That's fine, but if you look at some black staples, like take Necropotence, or hell, even Phyrexian Arena, just one extra card per turn, and shit gets out of hand fast with cost. I'd recommend it, personally.
>>77699559So is Path or Swords. People try to win the games they play instead of durdling. You are revealing what type of player you are and it isn't a good look. It also doesn't actually stop trample in any way. Any damage that would kill it has to be applied if possible and then trample damage has to go somewhere.
>>77699519what do you mean tirade? it's a part of the rules, any time one of your precious little cards says "instead" it's a replacement effect, it's not any harder than understanding the stack
Why do I always like strategies that everyone hates? I love mill, discard, taxes...
>>77699536>>77699586Or medallions, just basic ramp shit that goes well in any deck that keep getting more and more expensive. Shit's not worth it to keep spending money on shit you already own
>>77695991At what turn is even casual to play her ?
>>77698963Play the format as the single page rules listing from 2010 lays it out. Allow non-Elder Dragons to be generals if you want.The only way to make it a nonproblem is to take it back. You losers have let wotc take ownership over something that was homegrown.
>>77699616cause they are usually harder to interact with/they're feelsbad for the player cause they percieve it as harder to interact with, or if it is stax because you're stretching the game in a boring way
>>77699640b-b-b-but the rc isn't part of wotc!
>>77699612>You are revealing what type of player you are and it isn't a good lookA dude who likes to play with janky white cards?>It also doesn't actually stop trample in any way. Any damage that would kill it has to be applied if possible and then trample damage has to go somewhere.That's not how it works at all. Trample damage is optional and you can damage a creature past what would kill them.
>>77699616You yourself are a failure, but being you you aren't ready to give up on yourself just yet. But everyone else has. In a strange form of expression you translate those qualities into the strategies you enjoy. You find extra meaning that isn't there from trying to make a failure in concept not a failure.That is the no nonsense you can't argue with it reasoning.
>>77699616newbies irrationally fear mill, everyone else doesn't really care as it's not that good. Discard is decent, but people get salty from it. Taxes is based.
>>77699616What's the most fun tax commander?
>>77699612>removal is the same as a static effect that alters the rules of combat>doesn't understand that trample is optionalBrainlet
>>77699551still most people can't get it. You must have encountered someone who believed at the same time it was replaced but got the triggers. The point of something being "intuitive" is to have people who don't know much do it correctly even if they don't know why it is correct. If you know the rules well you don't need intuition to know how it works because the rules told you>>77699572do other creatures go to a new zone as an sba? your commander does, and that is rule 1 now
>>77699694You don't have to fume so hard because you don't understand how trample works.
>>77699656And neither am I and neither is EDH. Wotc has no involvement in the say of EDH in my group. Someone used Flash last game to fuck with me. It was just to flash in a Laquatus but he resolved a Flash.
>>77695252about 1/3rd of the time, but thats going up as I get better at the game and built my kiki jiki deck
>>77699730Do you think I'm the same anon you were talking to?>>77699725You don't get it. New zone as in the command zone didn't exist before. And it operates in ways no other zone does aside from the battlefield.
>>77699725You are really bad at this.
>>77699694The red player fears the monowhite jank chad
>>77699375>>77699525>>77699612>The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s) blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned lethal damage, any excess damage is assigned as its controller chooses among those blocking creatures and the player or planeswalker the creature is attacking.
>>77699785How does this interact with a Blood Moon that has an older timestamp?
>>77699834>block a 7/7 with a 1/1 token>choose what happens>its still the same as what would have happened if I didn't choosewow
>>77699837All those nonbasic lands that were now mountains become plains
>>77699837Every non basic becomes a plains card
>>77699785Wild. I've never seen a card that turned lands into basics.
>>77699863But it’s not, you get to prevent all trample damage. Read the fucking rule.
>>77699768it exists now, and?>>77699784elaborate
>>77699898The creature didn't have trample.
>>77699917And there was a standardized way to deal with it in a replacement effect. It operated like any other replacement effect. Now it doesn't. It has an asterisk on it that no other interaction has.
>>77699939Now that's moving the goalposts
>>77699893It doesn't, the Oracle text doesn't say "basics"
>>77699939>hey this card prevents trample seems pretty cool>no it doesn’t>actually it does>well what about this completely irrelevant situation where it doesn’t have trample in the first place?
>>77699981No. I said a 7/7 attacked me and I blocked with a 1/1 and nothing changed. >>77700005>everyone is the same anon
>>77699980Before the change, we had retards that didn't understand replacement effectsNow we have you, a retard that doesn't understand SBA
>>77699980an asterisk so it works as newbies where making it to work without fundamentally changing the game
>>77699939Defensive formation also stops this.
>>77699981See>>77699863Nothing has changed. I'll wait as you confuse me with someone else (again).>>77700019Replacement effect are everywhere, they would have learned it and it would have served them in their play. Now they still don't know replacement effects and need to remember a special rule that is counterintuitive (replacement effect happens but you still get your original effect too).
>>77700016You’re either same fagging or blatantly ignoring the context of what I’ve said, so either way you’re an annoying cheeky cunt
>>77699999Only 100,000 away from a trip into quints, but impressive nonetheless
>>77700052Your confusion is starting to affect me
>>77700019>>77700030As it exists now it is the only instance in the game of you getting the effect of a card dying AND it becoming a replacement effect.It isn't elegant while the old way it worked was elegant.
>>77700078Reminder that if the 8 7s post mentions Griselbrand, I'll unban him.
>>77700067Are you really getting upset you keep confusing different anons for the anon you were arguing with? Even after they've told you you are mistaken?Weird.
>>77700090It's not a replacement effect anymore though
>>77700120No, I’m annoyed by your blatant samefagging
>>77700132How does it end up in the command zone?
>>77700152I think you have him confused with me.
>>77698177Ok, Damon, we get it, you're a shitter.
>>77700211So now there is a corner case for SBAs now. Neat.
>>77700260You're a corner case of retardation
>>77700239This was posted last thread but i love it
>>77695561I want to make a king maker deck with him, ill help out anyone who becomes the monarch until I can become the monarch then ape out
>>77699113Roon also got a buff, for one.