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I think I'm ready to claim a Casper (Fox Films) jump now. If there is anything you want from it, let me know.
I need a name for a group focused around paranormal investigations. It's filled with Hellblazer and Harry Dresden like figures if that helps any.
>>76952982... Wait what? When did Fox ever make Casper movies?
>>76953028DoorknockersDepartment of paranormal relationsThe unfortunates
>>76953028>It's filled with Hellblazer and Harry Dresden like figures if that helps anyPyrrhic Pyre.Because in the process of saving everyone, this group's probably gonna destroy the world.
Did anyone pick up Granblue Fantasy in the time I wasn't paying attention. Please say yes. This is not me volunteering.>>76953028The Sad Sack Agency.Ghostpunchers.<name> and Co. Esoteric Consultation AssociationLucky-Mart the sign for the original building refuses to be removed.That Guy And Those Jerks
>>76952982Option to be a witch or warlock?
>>76953053They made two direct to video movies: Casper: A Spirited Beginning, and Casper Meets Wendy.>>76953095Yep that's in.
>>76952982The ability to make loyal if somewhat incompetant minions, a magic future telling mirror, a general aunts/uncles companion option
>>76953028The Bunch of Wankers.
>>76953106>They made two direct to video movies: Casper: A Spirited Beginning, and Casper Meets Wendy.Ah. I was completely unaware that those were produced by Fox. Thank you
>>76953028League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
>>76953086>Did anyone pick up Granblue Fantasy in the time I wasn't paying attention.One guy, but he hasn’t posted anything in 5 ish months iirc, even when asked.
>>76953106We used to watch this each halloween along with hocus pocus
>>76953086>Esoteric Consultation AssociationDamn that's a good one. Thanks Heavens!>>76953071If you put me, Taylor Herbert, Constantine, and maybe Amy on a team it's bound to happen. Honestly it would be a miracle if any saving gets done to begin with. I can't help her with the siscon but she hasn't gone nuclear yet so that's nice. I'd save give it a few weeks.>>76953068>The unfortunates.Yeah that tracks.
>>76953118>The ability to make loyal if somewhat incompetant minionsThis should be covered, but I haven't determined the best placement for it yet.>a magic future telling mirrorThat's in.>general aunts/uncles companion optionSure, I guess I can do something with that.>>76953143No problem anon.
>>76953028The Tom, Dick, and Harry Society.
>>76953167Huh, I did the same thing.
>>76953168>Damn that's a good one.Have you considered changing out the Association with Organization so you can call it ECO?
>>76953028Investigation Team.>>76953086As much as I'd like a Granblue jump, Heavens, you don't wanna go down that rabbit hole with all that you have in your platter. And I think somebody else was working on it but he hasn't mentioned progress in about a year.
Would it be heretical to have 1200/1400 cp instead of 1000?
>>76953220Yes, it would be. Get that shit out of here.
>>76953220By thread standards yes, but it's your single player imagination game.
>>76953207Esoteric Consultation and termination organization. ECTO
>>76952982A book that teaches you how to use any race based powers you have effectively? I think something like that was in when Casper was training with his human friend.
>>76953166>>76953212>Nothing in five months to a year.Damn it. Yeah, I'm not going anywhere near any megaproject jumps until my current plate is clear. Getting to that point is priority number one for me. If it's still in the air after Shadowbringers is done I might take a stab at it.>>76953168No problem.
>>76953220Depends, but just an ordinary sized and organised jump with an extra few hundred tacked on? Yeah no, that’s trash. But if you’re just houseruling and not making a jump, you do you. Just don’t mention or brag about it or anything
>>76953028Corner Gas [Disguised as a gas station and they usually show up in one of those roadside assistance van. Nobody looks twice at those, so it's perfect cover.]Department of Reacting to Extra-Species Denizens, Entities, and Nobodies. [DRESDEN]That's all I got with this little caffeine in me.
>>76953220Fuck off, Red. Warframe is still unacceptable.
>>76953167I hope I don't disappoint you then.>>76953250This will be a human origin item, but it won't work quite like you are suggesting.
>>76953265Where are the sandwiches you owe us mortal?
Hey Moons, any jump progress or is real life still getting in the way?
Any news on Fire Force?
>>76953105I love how Baalbuddy does his shitposting art
>>76953320>mortal>not son of man
>>76948359>>76948467You’re looking in the wrong place.>Priority Clash>If neither technique cleanly defeats the other, then the victory is down to which fighter executed their attack faster, or better. Both players make a Clash roll, using a dice pool determined by the technique they have played. The player who accumulates more successes wins, and his technique defeats the opponent’s.Basically it means you have more dice if neither technique automatically defeats the other. Or to give an example:>Basic Strike>Clash Roll: Dexterity + Basic StrikeIf you and your opponent both have Dex 3 but you have Basic Strike 5 and he’s got Basic Strike 1, you roll 8 dice and he rolls 4.
>>76953320YOU WILL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE!
>>76953086Iirc the last time GBFanon posted was about some Alchemist stuff. That was a long time ago, like half a year at a minimum.
>>76953232Okay daddy>>76953235>>76953269I'm just wondering with the restrictions I give Jumpers, along with the girth of some jump, would it be really bad if I said fuck it and gave 200 for some jumps.I could go 100 and 300 instead, but uneven numbers are even more evil.
Man, actually rewatching ghost in the shell makes the jump's Full Cyberization item leaving your respiratory system intact even more annoyingThere was a literal episode dedicated to this one dude who just kinda abandoned his body to live as a braincase, making movies for whoever jacks into his braincase, and the people who jacked in just straight up abandon their bodies to live in his theatre. The setting's tech is literally at the point of allowing people to transfer their Ghosts entirely to new bodies, albeit just barely at that level, with transfer shaving a significant mortality risk... Anyways, is it immoral to put my brain in a Tachikoma's body, seeing as how the Tachikoma's bodies are all remotely piloted by AIs in a server elsewhere?
>>76953028"Your jumpers name"alternative spiritual counseling
>>76953463If you really have to, try and fit it in as a small stipend for items/powers/whatever. Much more palatable than changing that first 1000 at the start of the doc.
Are Demon Pillars their own unique individuals or are they (you) but different?
A question. If a work of fiction has a jump present on Reddit, Space Battles, or any other place, but is not present on 4chan's drive, are any jumps for that work created for 4chan's drive considered duplicates?
>>76953509>unique individualsThis, but subordinate to you. Though the perk mentions you can fanwank a lot, so you could just have them be a portion of (you).
>>76953491It's for chains.
>>76953537No, newfag. Lurk more before trying to make a jump yourself please.
>>76953220400 are too significant, thats more than a discounted capstone perk.200 could work with adequate restrictions, though I would personally count it against the drawback limit.
>>76953543Calm down Magnolia
Question for Valeria about the Anti-Midian drawback are we able to hold back In the presence of Seras Victoria/Alucard? Assuming of course we are working for Hellsing as the drawback implies.
>>76953431It was a perk for Cagliostro
>>76953740Who is an alchemist.
>>76953769And a sled sometimes
>>76953796Anything is a sled if you have a steep hill and enough balance.
So the Student tree is getting not one but several harem perks to compensate for how underwhelming the originals were. Here's the rework for Tripping on the Red String for those interested:Tripping on The Red String  – Love at first sight is often a fleeting thing that only lasts so long, yet the memories of that moment can stick with someone their entire life. So how do you keep inspiring those moments in others? You will find that when you interact with others for a long period of time, they open up more easily to you and you learn more about them and their emotions in just a few days. What’s more, opportunities to bond with them as friends or even love towards you spring up with more and more frequency in these moments the longer you’re around them, sometimes not even requiring much input on your part. Indeed, so long as you never harm them or experience a falling out, it would be trivial to go from strangers to lovers in a matter of days or weeks. Those who are normally closed off or antagonistic to others may take longer, and those who already despise you may be impossible to reach with this alone, but you will find the hearts of others will pour out to you given enough time.
>>76953833What about Mineta's balls?
>>76953537Nah, the communities tend to keep themselves seperate
>>76953863You ever watch cartoons about running backwards on a snowball?
>>76953853I like it!
>>76953863Jumpers who join 1A should replace Sugar instead of the grapist, because Sugar is a literal non-character whose power is redundant when Deku exists.
>>76953853What jump is this?
>>76953907Heaven's Lost Property. It's getting a full overhaul.>>76953886Excellent! Thank you, magic exposition cat!
>>76953876Except for reddit which insists on trying to spread out onto everything else like a mold.
>>76953882No clue what you are talking about>>76953889Half the characters are non-characters
>>76953889What if Jumpers alters the election so only females get in?
>>76953927>Heaven's Lost PropertyI'm glad you were able to find it again.
>>76953853>several harem perksNever trust anyone with more than one harem perk.You should still be wary of people who have one.
>>76953942Turns out it was in plain sight on the kitchen counter the entire time. I hate it when that happens.>>76953950Those who take harem perks are doomed by prophecy to a short by Jumper standards and glorious life. Which is why I always take them.
>>76953220I wouldn't give it up front, but there's a few jumps that give you 200-400 CP free in things like a power or item section.
>>76953950>Never trustFoolish anon, you would just fall in love with them the second you saw them.
>>76953220Just give stipends for power/weapon/vehicle/army sections or balance better.
>>76953982>you would just fall in love with them the second you saw themAre harem Jumpers defeated when they lock eyes with another harem master and the two of them fall in monogamous love?
>>76954002They specified that its for their chain. They are giving themselves more cp.
>>76954047You get a bizarre battle of wills where eventually one wins and subsumes the other into their Harem.
>>76954047According to ENIYA fics yes.
>>76953932>No clue what you are talking aboutZoomers are a plague unto mankind. I weep.
>>76953853I feel like the first two sentences come off as awkwardly worded to me. It's almost like they set up a different Perk.>Love at first sight is often fleeting, yet can linger in the memories for an entire lifetime. So how is it that your own clings so close to the surface for so long?Maybe something like that?
Where can i get some basic durability perks?So far i've done pokemon and infamous, but want to be a little more prepared going into fallout.I dont want to be an OP bulletproof vampire or anything though
>>76954145That flows a lot better, yeah. Adding that now. Thanks Yoro!
>>76954148There's a fairly good one in Highschool of the Dead which makes you as durable as a piece of armor that you're wearing called Fashion I'm pretty sure, I forget the specific wording of it.
>>76953220Yes. You can do it, it's your imagination game anyway, but don't talk about it or share writing if you don't want to be attacked and humiliated, you cheating piece of shit.
>>76954148Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, The Evil Dead, Halloween, Dead by Daylight, Darkwood, Freddy Vs Jason Vs Ash, Alien Vs Predator, Cabin in the Woods... Basically any jump for a horror settingI'm pretty sure every Fallout jump has something for increasing your durability, as well? Even if it's just the Supermutant race
>>76952966Yes it is.
>>76954247That poor thing is effectively blind and cannot see its feet if it wasn't blind.
>>76954300Which is better; massive tiddy gobbo or flat chested gobbo?
Aside from the Fate series, where else is a good place to gain runic magic?
>>76954152Glad to help Heavens. >>76954148I could suggest Etrian Odyssey 5. The Earthlain Race has Bulwark, which doesn't make you innately tougher, but allows you to push on despite wounds. You could pair that with the Dragoon class to become a pretty great tank. If you want to keep things less dangerous, you could always take the School Days DLC Drawback to turn the world into a slice-of-life high school experience. That's the only one of my Jumps that I can think of that has decent durability without being as dangerous or more so than Fallout. >>76954338Kobolds.
>>76954152So how do you feel about Beast trying to ruin duplicates for the rest of us by ruining Endless Legend?
>>76954356>KoboldsDamn, they sexy.
>>76954398This level of sass requires the big sword.
>>76954398I am forever sad we don't have a jump where I can get a few dozen cute kobold slaves
What are parts of a team would you include in a supernatural PMC? Like the Frontline and the face etc.
>>76954384>by ruining Endless Legend?Shit jump didn’t even have all the base game factions.
>>76954441>Vassal Tribe [200cp] : A tribe of monsters loyal to you. They are weaker than your own species, but will eagerly follow any orders you give, no matter how dangerous. Originally numbering at roughly two dozen, they have a high rate of reproduction, as long as there is food to support them.
>>76954441Personally I always use Generic Dungeon Builder as an excuse to have a dungeon filled with Kobolds.
>>76954512That is an adorable picture.I've been tempted to use that jump for that, but when I finally got around to starting a build for it the anon that made it started working on an update for it, and I'm waiting for said update before making a build
>>76954482Doesn't have all of the base game factions, wanks the Endless' tech-level to be even more ridiculous than it already is, and doesn't think a Civ-game should let you keep your Civ. And to top it all off>Race: DropIn Free, all others cost 200
>>76954482>>76954576>t. Beast samefagging his own support again
>>76954576Dragging an entire civilization with you is antithetical to the point of Jumpchain.
How well do you think a WALL-E Probe would fair in the MCU?
>>76954338Flat chest is always better.
>>76954549That's fair enough. It's always hard to nail down a build for a Jump with an update on the way. Maybe you could use Spirited Away's Hot Springs scenario for a hot springs hotel stocked with kobolds.
>>76954427Why not pots and pans armor?
>>76954610>>76954617Argue all you want, doesn’t change the fact that a jump for an empire building game didn’t let you do anything involving empires and also didn’t even have all the base game races available.
>>76954512I always want to make an epic dungeon, but spend all my points on perks instead of the dungeon itself.
>>76954617>Dragging an entire civilization with you is antithetical to the point of Jumpchain.>Point of Jumpchain.>Jumpchain>Point
>>76954691Cope. Fucking. Harder. The jump is perfectly acceptable as is, and your duplicate is not going on the new drive.
>>76953331There is one in Reddit
>>76954576>and doesn't think a Civ-game should let you keep your Civ.Oh, so you're just a powerwanking SB tourist? Go build your Endless Legend jump for SB then and stop annoying us.
>>76954639That's adorable and also slightly terrifying. I'd had to encounter a swarm of those. Imagine the sheer noise. >>76954704I usually do that to. Mostly Perks with one or two options for the dungeon itself. But that's okay. Then you can just build the dungeon yourself!
>>76954778>Supporting the nerfwhore era jumpsOut with you
>>76954899You don’t actually think it’s drive anon right? Because otherwise no shit it’s the wrong trip.
>>76954778>Beastmen and Skaven>SB-tierThat's what I've been saying for years now.
What perks would trivialize Dies Irae?
>>76954972>talking to yourselfSeriously man, go get some help.
>>76955031Any anti-reality warping perks
>>76955031A really strong harem perk
>>76955031The problem in Dies Irae is that if you're participanting in the plot you're either a cosmic overgod or at the mercy of Mercurius' autism. Reinhard is beatable by mid to late Jumpers with the right immunities, but if the conclusion isn't dramatic enough or permanently fucks with Mercury's suicide plan he's bound to obliterate or fuck with you. Especially if you recruit or take Marie.
>>76953639Gotcha, 200 it is.
>>76955115If he leaves the door open enough for you to ascend, his Law can be rendered useless.
Why doesnt gohanposter just use poison on gohan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r6-Y4ufFW4
>>76955183He is strong even amongst the Hadou Gods, so ascension alone won’t just cut it.
>>76953004SOMA a besta.
>>76953853Wait, I thought you were working on HLP.
>>76955281That is HLP.
>>76955232>when you realise marie just had the Strange Love perk
>>76955091I keep wanting to steal Reinhard's appearance.
What D&D arcane spells do you think would be most useful in shonen settings?
>>76955427Nybor's line of spells. Fits everywhere, really.
>>76955420Just get the Divine Vessel perk.
>>76955087How is that going to save your ass from an universe-sized supernova?
>>76955427Love's Pain.>shounen hero tries to interrupt you with the power of love/friendship crap>hit him with the spell>make him watch his dearest loved one/closest companion die in hideous agony>this teaches him that love is a weakness
>>76955427Tasha's Hideous Laughter. It works especially well on most MCs because their Wisdom stat is always hilariously low. https://www.dnd-spells.com/spell/tashas-hideous-laughter
>>76955531>Willingly being the person to activate the shounen hero's berserk power up arc.
>>76955531Anon, thats just gonna reinforce their belief in love and peace, if anything.Also this >>76955569
What are some perks/items that can make you immortal while still staying human?Something like Beautiful Blood in Tsukihime or a Code in code Geass.
>>76955552Yup. WIS and INT saves are the way to go. CON, DEX, and CHA saves are suckers bets in shonen settings.
>>76955427Honestly anything that heals since shonen heros constantly get beat up
>>76955437Aren't those just spells to cause pain? Or am I confusing them with others?
>>76955684Do you not know how shonen works anon?
>>76955680Realizing that healing is awesome because you can help with unpunchable problems is a mark of wisdom.
Any perk suggestions to reduce the mana cost of a powerful spell as much as possible?Maybe there's a perk that there's the inverse version of those "pay mana instead of other requisites" perks somewhere?
>>76955694They go up to to save-or-die and save-or-suck right after. Making someone save on Fort and Will with one spell is a good way to nullify or kill someone who only has one good save between those two.
>>76955742Ok so it may not be what you mean but aria of sorrow has a ring that makes casting cost 0 iirc.
>>76955427Alchemy. Those fucks are always broke and hungry, so being able turn lead into gold would be indispensable.
>>76955742Tsukihime has a perk that makes you really efficient with your magical energies, by about 10x iirc. So your spells are effectively 10x cheaper for you.
>>76955742Tsukihime has this Perk that makes your spells a hundred times more energy effecient.>Magic Gunner [600 - Discount Wandering Magus] - A thousand kilometers on a single liter of gasoline. A vehicle like that is fairly amazing, isn’t it? When it comes to magic, you’re the same way - even if you’re cursed with a total lack of talent in magic or even a tiny handful of magical circuits, you know how to get the best result out of it sheerly through efficiency that defies all expectations. To put it more simply, a single drop’ of prana can generate a result that would normally require one-hundred, greatly enhancing simple spells and letting you easily pay for more expensive ones without draining your body completely. This doesn’t change what a human body can safely output, but when you have reserves to spare and destructive power to give weight to even the simplest spells and curses, what can stop you? You’re a living artillery platform, loaded and ready to fire.
>>76955742The Celestriad in FF6 reduces the mana cost of literally any spell to 1 MP.
Pokemon Snap jump when?
>>76955742Overlord has the Ring of Elru which halves the cost of all spells, doubles their power, and lets you cast three spells/rituals a day without having to pay their cost.>800 CP - The Ring of Elru - The world of Elru was ruled by a magocracy of unimaginable wealth and prosperity, and at its head was the God-King of Elru whom wore this ring upon his finger. When Elru was destroyed by the World Serpent in its attack on the World Tree this item, a World Class item, was all that remained. Magic users that wear this ring will find that the potency of all of their magics has been doubled, and that the cost for casting those magics has been halved. Additionally it provides protection against all mind controlling effects or compulsions as well as instant-death effects, negative status effects, and scrying effects, trumping even other World Class items that have such powers. >>These things are all well and good, but the true power of the ring and the reason the God-King of Elru wore it lies in its last two abilities. The first is that three times per day the person that wears it may cast any spell, ritual, or magic they know that requires material components, or that drains ‘experience’ or ‘lifeforce’, or indeed any other requirement... instantly and for free. The second is that the Ring itself may be used to create as many Yggdrasil Gold Coins as theuser desires, seemingly creating them out of nothing and appearing at any designated point (or in the users inventory if they have one and desire that), however they can only create about a million coins a second. The ring itself is made of orihalcum with seven bands that run along it, each one made of one of the seven prismatic ores such as Scarlet Gold or Living Blue Soul. It is soulbound to its wearer and cannot be stolen, given away, destroyed, or lost by any method short of death. Additionally it is utterly unique, and it cannot be copied or duplicated in any way whatsoever using in-jump methods.
>>76955852When you make it.
>>76955929The Ring of OTB.
>>76955742FFVI has what you're looking for.
>>76956124Is it really any more op than say, being a madoka and having every power ever?
Is there any perk that would let you use money instead of magical energy to cast spells?
>>76956136>MadokaI think you mean medaka.
>>76955929That last part seems rather unnecessary, we could just use the ring's free spells to just wish up huge piles of gold.
>>76956052A whole lot of the jump is OC, and it’s got plenty of things that are busted even for the already relatively powerful source material. You can really tell it’s author spent most of their time on SB if you really read the jump.
>>76956124It's not really egregious when the main character of the setting is just as bullshit strong.
>>76956146There is a perk in masters of magic to turn gold into mana.
>>76956170The jump offers shit that by word of the author is better than anything we see from Nazarick and Ainz. Just accept that it’s a poorly balanced jump, on top of the boatloads of OC.
>>76955846>>76955929>>76955999>Any spell at 1MP or lessThis now makes me wonder, what spells do you know that are normally prohibitively expensive and rare?Stuff like Meteor in FFVII, the kind of thing that the main characters normally can't do and is instead used by the strongest beings in the setting.
>>76955852Just buy a camera in an existing Pokemon jump.
>>76956199>This now makes me wonder, what spells do you know that are normally prohibitively expensive and rare?Well, if you're using Spell Point Variant rules for your D&D jump then 9th level spells would fall into that category, at least relative other D&D spells.
>>76956185>Just accept thatI see this little phrase used by shitposters so much my attention was lost instantly.
>>76956159Madoka gets pretty busted at her strongest.
>>76956199Servant Summoning in the Nasuverse.The mana cost is by far the main limitation and the reason why you need a holy grail to collect mana from high quality leylines for decades to be able to summon them.With this any decent Spiritual Evocationist could Summon Servants as a cantrip provided they have a catalyst.
>>76956228Okay? You may not like it but the jump author spent most of their time on SB, filled the Ovelord jump with OC, and has a load of stuff that he himself said made you stronger than anything seen in canon.
>>76956233Madoka is more powerful than Medaka, but anon mistakenly referenced Madoka rather than Medaka.
>>76956272>You may not like it butThere we go again.
>>76956170It really is, the Ring is not only one of the strongest WIs in setting but also comes with several powers when they rarely have two.
>>76956297I wear it on muh dicc so I give someone a literal bukkake as well as a figurative GP bukkake simultaneously.
>>76956275>He hasn't read Madoka Box
>>76956294MTA but it’s not wrong, despite seeming like a remix of the average dirge shitpost.
>>76956162Yggdrasil Coins can be used as substitute for a lot of crafting materials.But yeah, the World Items ended up a bit weird. They were improved in a later update, and while I'm not sure exactly why that was it might have been due to World Items being much more expensive than Divine Equipment despite not giving the parameter bonuses that DE gives and the DE option being a full set instead of a single item. Instead of lowering the price though, they were made even stronger, although to be fair the Ring of Elru was the best World Item by far from what I remember, the others probably needed the upgrade more.
>>76956309That sounds horrible, but I am fascinated by the same token. Is it Madoka taking the place of Medaka in Medaka's story or the reverse? Because Magical Girl Medaka that becomes an omnipotent goddess just sounds indescribably insufferable.
>>76956297>but also comes with several powers when they rarely have two.Supposedly the World Item Ainz usally has on him has several different strong power. But he never uses it, because even using it once would cost him five levels, unlike the Jump world items that only offer benefits.
>>76956314Pretty sure the others were actually nerfed a little. They’re all OC regardless, should have just offered copies of the canon ones.
>>76956331Better question: who takes the place of Homura?
>>76956297Thats why like to give it to jumpers with a warior build and not a single class capable of magic.
Good jumps for becoming Emperor of China and claiming the Mandate of Heaven?
>>76956314>But yeah, the World Items ended up a bit weird.They, like quite a bit of the jump, are just arbitrary OC crap the author wanted. No surprise it’s a little jank when you take a sec to actually think about it.
Now that replacement jumps are permissable when is Overlord getting replaced?
>>76956424Duplicates, dipshit. And probably not since anyone that cares for the setting probably enjoys the poorly balanced OC.
>>76956388All the Paradox folder jumps, Total War, any jump with Earth up to 2000 years ago, Chinese Warlord CYOA.
>>76956314He really should've just gone for an open-ended World Item option instead of trying to brainstorm new ones. The OC World Items are one of the worst aspects of the jump because they're a horrible combination of extremely boring and incredibly overpowered because they basically just arbitrarily waive a number of things that limit your abilities. They come across less as unique, incredibly powerful artifacts with abilities that you have to leverage properly to make use of and more as wearable cheat codes that turns on God Mode.
>>76956388I mean, it's not that good, but the only one I know that fits is reddit's Chinese Mythology Jump.https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eRBvUyZp0J0guBg9Lh-tjjd0DNjNQ7eP/view
>>76956395I can see wanting to put a few OC World Items in the jump given the threat of Downfall of Castle and Country, but the way items and equipment ended up... I don't know.
>>76956424Whenever you make it. So, never. Never because retards like you who farm for (You)'s, which I am applying out of pity, don't ever make anything.
>>76955427I was gonna suggest End to Strife because I have poor reading comprehension and missed that you asked about Arcane spellsAnyways, Magic Missile. Autohit spells are wonderful in settings where people dodge like crazy
>>76956344Wasn't the weapon invulnerability of the armlets something added later?Given how treasured and unique World Items are, I can understand placing a few new ones that wouldn't cause questions from the major powers that hold the originals, but it'd have been nice to have the option to pick a canon one too.
>>76956539There were ways to turn Divine spells into Arcane ones iirc, right?Even if it's not the thing normal wizards can use, it's not unwelcome either, thanks.
>>76956388Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
>>76956612There's a couple dragons that can cast some divine spells as arcane, and I think there was a prestige class that could do that too?
>>76955427Forcecage. Shounen protagonists aren't allowed to have teleportation (because it's too convenient of a power and would derail the entire story) and the extent of their magic tends to be shooting Oddly Shaped Spirit Beam #7918. None of which would do shit against a Forcecage. It has no saving throw which means that they can't avoid it; it's activated at the speed of thought and takes effect instantaneously. It's a Force effect which means it's absolutely indestructible. And it has a duration of hours/level which means that they're going to be in there for a long ass time.
>>76956124>>76956167Do we have something less...?>>76956344Tbf, we don't know some of them. And some are very bullshit.>>76956497I think you're into something.
What canon chapters of space marines would be best to take in the Astartes jump? The ones with big fleets such as the Ultramarines, the Black Templars, or Imperial fists seem obvious but they also seem too obvious.
>>76953689Nah, they're monsters as anyone else is. Holding back will still be very difficult and the best way is probably either leaving the group or working on long term missions for them.
>>76956663Marines Malevolent are by far the goodest of Marines.
>>76953853You are cute
>>76956657The Forcecage spell has Spell Resistance: No because it doesn't directly target the individual in question and Antimagic Field doesn't dispel an existing Forcecage because it directly calls back to and function in the same way as a Wall of Force. This means that antimagic, at least from the perspective of D&D, doesn't affect a Forcecage.
>>76956663It depends, what do you value in a space marine chapter? Do you want sheer might? Individual ability? Do you care about chapter culture? If so what do you want in a chapter culture?
>>76956663I am a little bit biased because I just got done painting some but the Exorcists remain my favourite chapter. Their ritual possession and exorcism makes them effectively invisible to daemons and inflict hideously skewed casualties on Chaos. Plus you get very, very close Inquisition ties which is always useful in jump.
>>76956663The Blood Angels have some glaring downsides (The Black Rage and Red Thirst) but you maintain ties with basically all your successors and can mobilize into borderline Legion strength if need be. The Blood Angels are also pretty self-sufficient and are massively famous in the Imperium, and in a good way. They also have some of the best wargear, surpassing some of the better stuff that even other formerly legion Chapters have. You also have guilt free cannon fodder in the form of those afflicted with the Rage. ...You also get the best Primarch who may or may not show up in golden ghost for to bail you outta bad shit.
>>76956663Blud Magpoos seem to be very resourceful.
>>76956722>It depends, what do you value in a space marine chapter? Do you want sheer might? Individual ability?I guess I'd prefer something in the middle of that, a powerful chapter with a solid number of elite "named character" marines. Doesn't need to be one with the most overall power or the most strong named characters (if so Ultramarines would be automatic) but solid on both. As far as chapter culture a lot of them are really cool, unless it's absolutely horrible like>>76956681 or really boring anything is fine.
>>76956750>>76956663I will say that just about any of the original chapters, Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Fists, Etc except for Space Wolves, all have a lot more resources and clout than any successor chapter. They've been around the longest, they have chapters that are more or less beholden to them. They have easy access to gene seed whereas many successor chapters struggle to keep their numbers up and suffer issues and mutations due to lack of gene seed. They have relics, they have gear, they tend to control major systems and be well thought of by other imperial institutions. They are just frankly better if we go from the standpoint of pure logistics. Blood Angels and Ultramarines are the best for pure logistical might, with the Imperial Fists arguably coming in third.
>>76956757The magpies are awesome but we might be able to get them in a Dawn of War jump should we ever get one. Could potentially even get their meme level thievery abilities along with them.
>>76956199Retardedly OP custom spells in Morroblivion. They can literally cost like tens of thousands of Mana when the normal upper limit is 4 or 500
>>76956497>They come across less as unique, incredibly powerful artifacts with abilities that you have to leverage properly to make use of and more as wearable cheat codes that turns on God Mode.Isn't that the Point of World Items? Iirc World Itens were introduced as literal gamebreakers in terms of mechanics.
>>76956929>Dawn of War jumpWhy? It’d just be filled with half assed attempts to cover a dozen different factions at once when you could just use their specific jump.
>>769557420 Zone(Dragon Quest 9), Receive Hax(Epic Battle Flash), The Need for Big Booms(Konosuba), Spellbooks(Castle of Puzzles), and The Ring of Elru(Overlord) all allow casting spells for free
>>76956970Why would it not just focus on the Space Marines that are the stars on the story?
>>76956929If you want to get dirty...
>>76957046>has never played Dawn of WarWay to out yourself.
>>76956969That was the defence the SB guys liked to use but they and you are forgetting that there's a huge difference in world items. Most aren't gamebreakers in that they singlehandedly make you almost unstoppable and the ones that are are single use items. Almost all the ones we actually see are way more limited.
>>76956970Yeah why would anyone want a jump for a specific game when a general jump exists that doesn't even cover the plot, major twists, or offer any of the important items you can get in them?
>>76956969Honestly, the OC World Items seem a lot more like real top tier items you would find in an MMORPG rather than the bullshit of canon World Items that let you ask the developers to change the game.
>>76957063Fair enough. I'm not that familiar with Overlord.
>>76957058That doesn't have an option for taking the Blood Raven tho, also it's really fucking derpy. Is it from here?
>>76957058>Dawn_Of_War_CYOA.pdfWhat in the absolute fuck is that supposed to be.
>>76957078What I meant is a Dawn of a War jump would just feel like a lazy, half assed attempt to cover nine different factions at once and would likely be unsatisfying and low quality.
>76957062God you're a tiresome little shit.
>>76956663Space sharks, cause the edge of the galaxy need to fuck off and you avoid all that lesser human drama bullshit in favor of absolutely horrific shit to constantly fight and lose brothers against. Always my choice.
>>76956804if you want a middling chapter, presumably something a bit more niche than the big names, with some named characters then there are a few options. Not a ton, but a few. Iron Snakes have some good named characters and are second founding so they've been around long enough to have build up a good bit and are pretty strong and relevant. Novamarines, also pretty good amount of notable marines, significant action, relatively important among minor chapters. The Raptors are a chapter a lot of people like and aren't a bad option at all, there's some good stuff there to work with. Silver Skulls have a good number of notable marines, decent chapter. The Brazen Claws are pretty cool actually. We've recently had them fleshed out a bit and they are at least not another ultramarine successor (you're going to notice there are a lot in this list, this is both because there are just a lot of ultramarine successors, and because they tend to get more writing and fluff than the successors of the other legions) The Mentors are awesome and have been around a long time so there is a lot to work with there. Excoriators, they are pretty fleshed out. Last, but in no way least cause this is the best on the list in my opinion, Steel Confessors. They are baller. Their lore is baller and how they came to be is baller.
>>76957106>Nine factionsIt's a game literally about Space Marines stomping the crap out of everything in their path.
>>76957113Dude Dawn of War (the first game) has campaigns for most of the factions and multiple expansion packs. It’s not a case of Space Marines eclipsing every other faction.
>>76957145Which is why they lost the Kaurava campaign.
>>76957145Blood Ravens got absolutely pasted in Soulstorm anon, by Dawn of War 2 they are a lot weaker and then suffer their chapter master outing themselves as chaos.
>>76957145You know there is Dawn of War 1, with nine factions and multiple expansions, Dawn of War 2, which is probably what you’re thinking of, and 3 which no one talks about for good reason. Like, you legitimately don’t know what you’re talking about.
>>76957063They're not exactly wrong.>>76957095Oh yeah, Five Elements Overcoming, with it you can change the magic system. You ask the devs for it, they can refuse or accept, but IRL, there's no devs.
I think 40k:Blood Ravens would actually be a kinda interesting jump.
>>76956663Salamanders if you want the only non-cunty SM. Spess Wolfs if you want to play space viking.
>>76957215So make it?
>>76957215Astartes jump, pick Blood Ravens chapter, done.
>>76955742You can get a hat that halves spell costs in Zelda The Minish Cap, and you can get a staff that does the same in Quest for Glory 2&3
SPACE HULK SALVAGE JUMP.
>>76957058Is that from one of the other communities or is it a CYOA stealing the jump format?
>>76957242I'm far too much of a Chad to waste my valuable time making jumps.
>>76957238This is a blatantly false statement. Lamentors exist.
>>76957259That's a good idea ,you should make it.
>>76957287Yeah, but I made a point to forget about them. Just like GW does.
>>76957291I want the anon who was making it to come back.
>>76956676Have you got anything in the jump for Starrk splitting off into two individuals?
>>76957287Not for long the way they're going.
>>76957274Then you can fuck off.
>>76957274I find it hilarious that one of Val’s Fullbringer perks is just straight up named ‘Chad’.
>>76957403Chad seems like a cool dude if punchy.
>>76957314I never left, I just gave up on that train wreck. It never got very far anyway.
>>76957403Well, there literally was a guy named Chad in Bleach (actually Sado, but everyone called him Chad). And he is literally how the perk is described.
>>76956718>antimagic, at least from the perspective of D&D, doesn't affect a ForcecageDispel magic doesn't, but rods of cancellation and Mordekainen's Disjunction do. That said, those types of anti-magic are stronger than many others.
>>76955427force cage or resilient sphere to just shut people down, Gate to just send them away, and the ultimate spell of dragon slaying ie: shivering touch in order to just stop them in their tracks.
>>76956185gonna need a citation for that
>>76957752Check the notes.
>>76956353The Minus guy with All Fiction
>>76956272nothing in the jump makes you stronger than world enemies though, and those are canon
>>76957322mhm, is a Hollow perk. Actually, I might as well just post those since I said I would today.https://pastebin.com/kU6cHCnZHollow perks for my Bleach jump here.
>>76956718Umm, that's not how it works in OotS and I think Rich would know better than a nogames faggot.
>>76956497anon, world items were never about "leveraging properly to make use of them" and were always stupid OP cheat items even in setting.
>>76956576iirc it was originally 3 minutes of flat invulnerability per day and then it changed to all-the-time invulnerability but only to physical attacks
>>76957803The fuck is a Rich?
>>76957063>way more limitedEh, even the ones that aren't part of the Twenty still include things like mind controlling anyone even if they are immune to mind control, sealing armies away in pocket worlds, storing exp for later use or giving to others even if you shouldn't be able to get any more exp due to the level cap, or making invincible golems capable of beating top players like a World Champion.They may not be game breakers on the same level as Ahura Mazda, Longinus or Five Elements Overcoming, but they are game breakers nonetheless.
>>76957800Nice, reading now.
>>76957788But the jump isn’t for being a world boss.
>>76957855I disagree, especially given how many of those are single effects, not the multiple powerful things the jump has. The mind control is one target at a time, way more limited than you imply, and the EXP steal/store item is clearly fairly limited otherwise Ainz would be using it instead of complaining about exp wasting spells. Some of the other world items are just very powerful weapons.The things in the jump are not what we see in canon. We do not see world items that have multiple extremely powerful effects and the jump ones all have 3 or more. Not even getting into how the immunity stuff gets wanked too high.
>>76957854https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_BurlewHe wrote some of D&D's books.
Speaking of Space Marines, how would the Iron Hands react to Tech Priest-jumper offering to upgrade all of them with DBZ cybernetics?
>>76957800>Hollow Queen>Soul Separation I shall create many friends.
>>76957902how about albedo's axe then, which is a powerful indestructible axe that can cast a spell comparable to sword of Damocles (ie: super-tier super-nuke) at will? or the seeds of yggdrasil which can just give you or anyone that uses them any race you want including ones that shouldn't be possible to gain? or the godcaller horn that lets you summon up avatars of deities to fight for you? etc
>>76957902if you're so bitter about it, make your own dupe jump for overlord and show us how it's done "right".
>>76957941>Albedo's axeIt's a good weapon with a single effect>Seed of yggdrasilSingle use, only one effect.>Godcaller hornSingle effect.Where are the canon items that give you huge stat multipliers, two amazing unique powers and then a range of additional immunities world items don't usually give. Because that's bullshit too. They don't protect from everything the jump claims. It's wildly exaggerated based on vague statements that world items can protect from other world items.
Rolled 1, 5, 6 = 12 (3d6)>>76957693>dragon slaying ie: shivering touchOuch, I'm looking it up right now and 3d6 Dex damage sounds nasty for a creature that only has 10 Dex even as a Great Wyrm. What did Dex 0 do, paralysis?The main problem I see is that it requires you to touch said dragon, and placing a squishy spellcaster so close to a colossal dragon seems dangerous.
>>76957964Just because someone has issues with your favourite jump, doesn't make them 'so bitter' anon.
>>76957800Oooh, those are tasty looking perks...once again, excitement grows further.
>>76957941Honestly none of those or the other items so far seem on par with total physical invulnerability. Like I don't get how people don't find that one the weirdest of all, even compared to the Ring.
>>76957915If you managed to get it approved through the proper mechanicus channels they might go for it, but they' wonder why you wanted them to look fleshy.
>>76957803>that's not how it works in OotS and I think Rich would know betterThen he's wrong.Per Wall of Force:>The wall cannot move, it is immune to damage of all kinds, and it is unaffected by most spells, including dispel magic. However, disintegrate immediately destroys it, as does a rod of cancellation, a sphere of annihilation, or a mage’s disjunction spell.These are the things which are capable of getting rid of a Forcecage. There's really no leeway here; Antimagic Field is nowhere on that list and Dispel Magic (which is also an Abjuration spell in the same category as Antimagic Field) explicitly does not work on it. An Antimagic Field would prevent you from manifesting a Forcecage inside of its boundaries like it would for any spell but it would not get rid of an existing Forcecage even if you moved the Antimagic Field into its radius.Like I said, there's really no argument here by RAW or even by RAI considering the fact that Dispel Magic also doesn't work on it. Antimagic Field does not affect an existing Wall of Force.
>>76958017>Ouch, I'm looking it up right now and 3d6 Dex damage sounds nasty for a creature that only has 10 Dex even as a Great Wyrm. What did Dex 0 do, paralysis?Yes, you see now why it's usually banned.>The main problem I see is that it requires you to touch said dragon, and placing a squishy spellcaster so close to a colossal dragon seems dangerous.Spectral Hand. Don't even need to get in touch range.
>>76957902>Ainz would be using itWasn't he using it, or at least contemplating the possibility? From what I understand the main disadvantage is that you had to find a way to earn all that EXP you wanted, which I imagine wouldn't be too easy given the level disparity.>Among the ideas of how to manage the Sorcerer Kingdom, Ainz thought of having the humans breed and then slaughtering them thereafter, so they can be products of experience points which would be stored within Avarice and Generosity.>In the Web Novel, Avarice and Generosity was used by Ainz to absorb experience points from the fallen soldiers who died during the massacre at Katze Plains
>>76957136Huh. Nta anon but that both sounds and looks cool. Please tell me more?
>>76958000I like how you claim they're single effect while ignoring that the "single effect" is either ludicrous overkill on a huge area, or an effectively free-form effect that lets you do all sorts of different shit.
>>76958017spectral hand or archmage reach special ability that lets you cast touch spells at range. Pair that with a metamagic rod of maximize (least version, since shivering touch is only 3rd) and it's 18pts of guaranteed dex damage. That's enough to drop any dragon to instant paralysis at which point they can do nothing, and generally enough to either drop most other things or massively nerf their AC and reflex saves.
>>76957800>Jaeger>allows you to adapt to threadsThreats?
>>76958145I like how you ignore that the jump items also do these things but then do more on top. Is the Ring of Elru not also a free form effect that also lets you do ludicrous overkill on huge areas, plus loads of other stuff, and then gives you unlimited gold and then incredible stat multipliers? Yeah, those world items from canon, they're really matching up. So faithful.
>>76958036nta but I don't mind because all the world items are worded such that they're not absolute effects and are instead nigh-absolute. If you run into something that can overpower the strength of an entire world then that world item ain't gonna help you
>>76958174That sounds dishonorable.
>>76953028Are they meant to be some ancient group that has existed for centuries/millennia, or comparatively more recently formed, with name possibly deriving from, say, older meme humor or whatever?I mean, if the latter, maybe something like "Trogdor's Fan Club"? (because lots of burninating)Mythosbusters?Society for Creative Paranoia?
>>76958202Not really. The ring isn't supplying the effect, the wearer is. If the wearer isn't capable of casting really powerful magic already then the ring doesn't really help them. Making something free that you already know / can cast still requires you to know / be able to cast it first.
>>76958204That's good for you but it doesn't solve the problem that others are having, the people whose complaints you've been defending against, that these items don't fit canon. They might've in their first versions, though the problems with the broad immunities remain, but then they got arbitrary and massive buffs because of constant complaints on SB.
>>76957800Nice. Overall all the perks I'd be aiming for would be around 2200cp, maybe 2800cp if I aim for Jaeger. Fuck me. I suppose an OP build is going to be appropiately expensive.
>>76954441You can get them in the DnD Dragons jump.
>>76957800>Or as complex as forming Negacion into threads of energy that can store and transfer information, collecting vast amounts of data or even potentially creating a backup of your own soul.There a canon example of this? Sounds neat.
>>76958218To this day, whenever I type "saber wife" into google, the immediate response is "Irisviel von Einzbern".And every time I remember that fact, I can't stop laughing.
>>76958266We don't talk about powerwanker jumps here.
>>76958202i must have missed where one of the world items in the jump lets you cast super-duper wish that can literally change how the world works as a whole. which is differnent from the other canon WI that lets you change how magic works in the whole world. or that other one where you can spawn an unlimited number of demons, or that other one where everything killed is raised as an undead soldier under your command in a continually escalating army of death that sweeps across the world, or the one that lets you call up divine avatars to do shit for you
>>76958281We talk about Fate/ and Exalted jumps all the time
>>76958178Yeah, thanks.>>76958249Haha, you are into it, huh? I've been increasing the drawback numbers so hopefully 6 of each tier will be enough. Though some are quite nasty.>>76958275Roka from The Spirits Are Always With You. I think. One of the novels, anyway. She could store backups of her soul in pieces of Hueco Mundo and her Resurrecion was all about improving her thread stuff, letting it replicate and use the data from attacks she'd witnessed. Which went from a few techniques from the other Espada to as ridiculous as Mugetsu, apparently.
>>76958301What's the point of bringing up the twenty as examples for why the reusable jump world items aren't broken? Are you just an idiot that forgot that people already discussed that in this argument? Because you seem like an idiot who forgot that.
>>76958325...Bleach has novels?
>>76958000>In the New World, any individual who is equipped with a World Item will be immune to Wild Magic, particularly the True Dragon Lords who used it> Effects of a World Item can be resisted in only two ways: (1) Owning another World Item. (2) Getting special Job Classes. They do seem to have some immunity properties, but not as much as believed. Then again, the equipment of a player good enough to get their hands on one of those would probably cover those protections from non-World Item sources.The stat multipliers I have no idea, it'd make sense that World Items would be good stat wise for their type of equipment, but I don't know how the normal stats boosts work. Does a piece of Divine Equipment give static bonuses or multipliers, for example?As for the unique powers, at least some of those could be split into two different items without much issue. Although keep in mind that divine equipment can already give very strong abilities.
>>76958325Will there be a Soul King rock?
>>76958301>i must have missed where one of the world items in the jump lets you cast super-duper wish that can literally change how the world works as a whole.Not that Anon, but that is literally a option of an 200 CP Item id you use a greater wish that recharges every three months, or if you combine it with the Ring of Elru thrice a day. 200 CP - Shooting Star Ring - Hailed as the mightiest Pay2Win item of all, if perhaps also themost fickle. This simple looking ring, made of what appears to be some form of silver and withthree small stylized stars “shooting” across its surface, possesses the ability to makes its usersdreams come true. Each charge represents a single use of the Over-Rank spell Wish Upon AStar, nearly twice as powerful as the “normal” version of the spell. In Yggdrasil its mechanicswere different, but in the New World it effectively allows the user to warp reality to grant theirwish.When a charge is used the bearer of the ring is given an instinctive knowledge of what is andisn’t possible to wish for with the ring, failing only in the face of the effects of World Items orpowers of similar potency. However, if the user is willing to pay a price, they may have a GreaterWish granted. The limits of this Greater Wish are unknown, and normally the price would beterrible indeed (five levels per cast, in Yggdrasil parlance, even when using the ring)... howeveryou don’t need to worry about that, because you’re paying at a premium. An expended chargefor a “normal” Wish refreshes one month after use, or three months for a Greater Wish. You cantell how many charges are left by how many “stars” are still on the ring as expended charges willcause a star to disappear. This is also how you can tell when it has recharged, as the star willreappear when it is ready to be used again.
>>76958301Surprising that all of these things are again, single effect. They have one power.
>>76958355only the first 2 examples were parts of the twenty anon. the other 3 weren't
>>76958325Val this anon needs one of your ASSRAPES >>76958308
>>76958325>Haha, you are into it, huh?Absolutely. I have an entire theme on mind already. Mainly because I've started reading the Shinigami Savant Quest, so I'm in the mood for Bleach.
>>76958384Anon, no. Val's assrapes are reserved for her beloved NuBee. I wouldn't take them from her
>>76957803>>76958059>Two or more antimagic fields sharing any of the same space have no effect on each other. Certain spells, such as wall of force, prismatic sphere, and prismatic wall, remain unaffected by antimagic field (see the individual spell descriptions). Artifacts and deities are unaffected by mortal magic such as this.(See the Dungeon Master's Guide for more about artifacts).
>>76958367That's regular wish anon. Super-duper wish is the Ouroboros world item, which in-canon let whoever had it petition to the GM's to literally change how the game works. The wish upon a star spell was nowhere even close to that, having a set limit of approximately 200 different outcomes that were randomly chosen when you cast it, and then you could select one of the random options that you rolled to be the effect that happens. The spell actually because more free-form in the new world (no random rolls stuff) but it's still nothing comparable to Ouroboros
Hey shardanon/battler and on can you elaborate on some things for me please?I get that it doesn't have to be a "formally recognized" martial art but can I have some benchmarks for what kind of things would/n't count? Also if we have martial arts skills from another jump can we have them be recognized as part of our skills with a legend of your own or would it only work for martial arts purchased in the jump?Also would the following work as martial arts styles under the current definition? "Gypsy champion "," King of the Klondike fighting pits "," demon of kabukicho" " wild man of Borneo ", la diablo de Los Cabos", "King of assassins"
>>76958364Yes, this is the issue with the immunity stuff. In canon, it's quite specific. But the jump makes you immune to what seems like half the status effects possible.My problem with status effects is that there's no reason or evidence that they actually give them. Every WI giving you a multiplier to a stat has never been in canon. It's not some default part of these items.Divine equipment doesn't give powers on the level of the stuff in the jump and neither do most world items, not all at once. Before their crazy huge buff because of powergrab whiners, the world items fit better. The immunities were too broad and the stat multipliers didn't fit but they all had one main unique power and it made sense compared to other WI equipment we saw.
>>76954512I'd like to second the adorableness of that pic.
>>76958359If you haven't read the novels then you're missing like half of the story and an absolutely colossal amount of background setting information.
>>76958379one power that can be used to do almost anything. That's like saying that eidolon from Worm has only one power, which is technically true but completely misrepresents the actual effect of his power.
>>76958000Ainz's item has several effects and also enhances him. It includes one that basically guarantees that Nazarick won't fall as long as he has EXP in the WN it killed around half of the players in the 1500 men raid.
>>76958380Your other ones aren't actually impressive enough to really matter. Two of them are just what you can do with summoning spells or necromancy spells and a lot of mana potions. All they really do is make it quicker. The actual things they summon aren't that strong on their own. And the last one is too vague on how powerful it is to say.As opposed to 100% invincibility to physical attacks or infinitely scaling cast anything for free no matter the components.
>>76958460Effects that have costs he explains as losing him 5 levels to use. What do the world items in jump not have? Costs to use.
>>76958424Did you miss the part where I specifically refered to the greater wish option the item mentions and explicitly says that there isn't even a clear limit 9f what it can't do?
>>76958430wait, were you the guy that was complaining about the world items being too strong even back before the update? I vaguely recall a single anon being mad butthurt back then
>>76958460The jump was last updated before that came to light, funnily enough. So yeah they really are just busted as fuck with no justification.
>>76958453The only ones that can do almost anything in your list are the last one that has undefined power and the first two that are single use in return for it.
>>76958424>The spell actually because more free-form in the new world (no random rolls stuff)Iirc it also allowed you to do anything you wanted within the power of the wish or something like that, and it could be used to steal an Innate Talent despite those not existing in Yggdrasil
>>76957800>IkomikiBeing a million year old Hollow sounds real cool.
>>76958486No but you are clearly one of the ones bitching that they were too weak. I think that them being upgraded because people thought they were spending too much points, and that was the reason and not anything to do with not fitting canon, was stupid. These were changed for power grabbers, not for canon. You're just desperate to defend your golden gooses.
>>76958441I haven read them but remeber someone saying the novels shoiw that aizen was the good guy all along
>>76958470>infinitely scaling cast anything for free no matter the components.>if you could already cast it the normal wayI feel people forget that second part. And immunity to physical attacks is significant but not that big a deal, because it's not like you can't just burn those people down with magic.
>>76958485Which means nothing, because again it's clearly not the same thing. the shooting star ring is a canon item that we KNOW can't do anything about world items, we literally see one get used by Ainz and then fail to do anything when it went up against a WI tier effect. Ouroboros >>>>>>>>>>> shooting star ring. They're not the same thing.
>>76958480That's only the strongest one. >>76958488That appears already by vol 1. And the anti-dragon effect came by vol 11, which was the last vol that he updated before leaving.
>>76958499so calling up unlimited hordes of demons which can then use their abilities on your behalf is "just one thing"? Or reviving everyone that gets killed as your undead slaves, which have full access to everything they did in life, is "just one thing"? Is it impossible for you to understand that the things that get called up can do things for you?
>>769583595 or 6. Only the last one is super important since it's pretty much the post story/sequel story to Bleach and has a tonne of lore they couldn't fit into the last arc. The others range from showing off cool characters from the past or expanding on ones we didn't see more of (Sszayel's past as the original Cero Espada, as an example, and why he has a brother. He split himself and his personality like Starrk did). One or two of them are just fluffy books though. I think the second one is just a cute story about Rukia trying to make lunch for her brother and asking people what he might like, in the days after the SS arc.>>76958366The one he's sealed in? Uh, no I guess? It hadn't really come to mind.>>76958521Sorta?
>>76958516honestly it doesn't matter what you say or think because the jump isn't going anywhere. You're bitching for no reason, and we all know it.
>>76958521To be fair, the manga does too.
>>76954512Speaking of Dungeon Anon, does anyone know if there's any word about when the update will be done?
>>76958562How do you not understand that these are single effects? They can have a lot of uses but they're still individual powers. The jump items have multiple different powers that can all be used for many things. You're so fucking desperate to defend this, you just completely abandon all sense of reason.
>>76958576Says the one who turned this into an argument that lasted this long, compared to leaving complaints he thinks don't matter alone. Clearly you care a great deal.
>>76958578Ainz is pretty based.
Since we were recently talking about Dies Irae, had a thought/question: Could it basically be described as a xianxia based on Jewish mysticism as interpreted through Japanese culture?
>>76958525People forget because basically anyone who does the jump and buys that item will have that second part. Almost every build gets either level 100 or 42nd Ainz Ooal Gown member. And if you have that, ninth level casting is either a free pick or only costs 100/50 to get. And no one's going to be buying the caster focused super item if they're not a caster.So it's a bit of a pointless defence. Anyone who has it will have the ability to cast with it. Otherwise they'd not buy it or get one of the other items that is more useful for them.
>>76958441There are fucking novels? Is that why shit makes no fucking sense?
>>76958604He's the defence force sent over from SB. Probably the same one that chased Brellin off over time too.
>>76958645It doesn't make no sense but the novels do help. That guy exaggerates how much they matter to the setting.
>>76958470>As opposed to 100% invincibility to physical attacksThe virgin Overlord World Item vs the chad Rance Dark Lord Invincibility Field.
>>76958521>>76958614Aizen is, unironically, the hero they deserve AND need.Unfortunately he got too distracted with trolling people to get the job done.
>>76958665>anything from Rance>ChadLiterally the most virgin IP there is.
>>76957800Whelp, there goes my plan for Fullbringer. I love Hollows more than the rest, and this perk tree emphasizes their best traits so I'm all for it. Admittedly that last perk has me worried a bit since I don't remember the owner.Thanks for sharing this, Val.
>>76958678Unbased and moralfagpilled.
>>76958713Ikomiki is based on Ikomikidomoe, a character from the Can't Fear Your Own World Novel.Glad you enjoyed!
>>76958665>Dark Lord Invincibility Field>chadYou mean the thing that only works against the in-setting mortals, and gets ignored by anything outside it's shit leveling system?
>>76958614Aizen*Damn ketchup names.
>>76958678>Based Raping Manchad>virginOkay, cuckold. Whatever you say. How's Tyrone treat your wife lately?
>>76958430The WI should be good equipment for their type, but the fact is that afaik we don't know how normal equipment of their type works, so the attribute multipliers end up being weird.Perhaps, Shooting Star is a thing but it was a gacha consumable. Ainz getting immunity to time stops, divination and a bunch of other things from his rings and Shalltear's Spuit Lance are probably better comparisons.Normal World Items can still have very strong abilities surpassing 10th and Super tier magic, but the best option probably would have been removing some extra features and reducing their cost instead of adding even more to justify the price. WIs may be great, but costing twice as much as a customized full set of divine class equipment is somewhat absurd.
>>76958614Based on what?
>>76958614>the world of Bleach is a stagnant shithole and the Shinigami have maintained this status quo without even trying to improve things for millennia>Aizen refuses to accept how things are and fights against the entire world and destiny itself in order to change it for the better no matter the cost to himself and even if everyone around him says that it's impossible>if it's impossible then Aizen will surpass the boundaries of reason and become an impossibility so that he can make the world a better place>that moment when you realize Aizen was actually a Shounen protagonist all along
>>76958665Not invincible enough, here comes the true chad invincibility field.
>>76958734Just drag Ludo and Planner along with you and force them to subject every world you go to to the leveling system.
>>76958763The best option would have been to ignore the people angry that the ultra powerful best items in the setting cost a lot to gain. I'd agree if the items weren't already boosted beyond canon even before the buff that made them what they are currently.Not that Divine Equipment isn't hilariously overpowered with the bullshit Brellin made equipment work, where it somehow gives equally amazing boosts to every class you have. Classes only costing 100cp, 50 for discounts, and so you could easily get the equivalent of 4 or 5 sets of divine equipment at once. They don't stack but they sure do give every class you have the same level of boost. The way classes work is the real problem in that jump, all only stacking and never having any sort of balance.
>>76958786How do I befriend Aizen?
>>76958564>The one he's sealed in? Uh, no I guess? It hadn't really come to mind.I think he means wish granting rock but I can be wrong.Will there be wish granting rock in jump to buy?
>>76958786Yeah but he also stabs little girls for fun. There was literally nothing to be gained and only things to be lost by stabbing Hinamori but he still did it. He's outright addicted to causing misery in others.
>>76958811>WomanWe all know how that goes.
>>76958855>but he also stabs little girls for funThat's the most chad thing you can do.
>>76958811She has an invincibility field?
>>76958827The Hogyouko will be a purchaseable item, yeah.
>>76958725Hey Val, I just remembered a thing existed.Can you include a leek in the item section? Just to reference ancient memes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wnE4vF9CQ4...Man, has it actually been 17 years since Bleach first came out? Crazy...
>>76958763Ainz says that Albedo's weapon is weaker than a Divine Item when used as a Halberd instead of an anti-structure item.
>>76958865It's more based if he rapes them before stabbing tho
>>76958882Well, not a leek exactly but there's something that would include it.
>>76958641Hey, dont ignore me! >>76956386
>>76958648this seems like the perfect excuse to post pic related
>>76958861demon lords are made to be fucked
>>76958855To be fair, Hinamori was creepily obsessed with Aizen. Like way beyond even the loyalty a normal subordinate would have. She was bordering on being a yandere. He didn't even kill her, something that he easily could have done. In fact, Aizen didn't really kill anybody. He could've easily killed Komamura during the Soul Society arc. He also could've killed like half of the Captains of Seireitei when he attacked Karakura Town since he bodied like six of them in one panel despite them being in Bankai and he wasn't even in Shikai.
>>76958915One guy compared to dozens of others isn't much of an exception.
>>76958866She has several bounded fields stacked that make her invulnerable which only Shuten seemed to be able to penetrate.
Can I put Manses acquired from the Exalted The Infernals jump into the The Inner World perk?... Also I know absolutely nothing about Exalted, is it one of those settings where normal people'll die if they wander into magic areas too long?
>>76957800You planning on adding any restrictions for what our Hollow form can look like?
>>76958928BASED.This community has been turning to shit. Might be time to accept some SB knowledge.
>>76958933>and he wasn't even in Shikai.He was using it actually, he only needs to have you see his release once for him to be able to use it on you whenever.
>>76958933...how does that make it fair to stab her? Also most of the captains didn't use Bankai in that battle at all much less all be in it at once. Also how would he cause pain and suffering if he just killed people outright.Aizen also absolutely killed people. Gin, for instance. Central 46. Hundreds or thousands of people in Rukongai for his stone.
Would it be possible to merge Hellsing familiars with Solo Leveling shadow soldiers in some manner?
>>76958966>Can I put Manses acquired from the Exalted The Infernals jump into the The Inner World perk?Probably, since forming your own manses in your inner world is something that can potentially happen.>... Also I know absolutely nothing about Exalted, is it one of those settings where normal people'll die if they wander into magic areas too long?Die, no. Mutate, sometimes.
>>76958974You’re like a caricature of a real person.
>>76958913Will the human super capstone just be Shun Shun Rikka or is there something else you intend to use?
>>76958822>that the ultra powerful best items in the setting cost a lot to gainThey don't really though, like sure they theoratically cost 800cp, but everyone gets a floating discount on an item and an item stipend of 200 CP. So in the end msot people get these game breaking items for 200 CP
>>76958980Power merging perk, bro.
>>76958982>Die, no. Mutate, sometimes.Ah. Well, that's going to be a bit annoying. Gonna have to pick up an anti-mutation perk then. Thanks dude
>>76958521>First appearance in the novel is just stopping the guys moving his chair just to fuck with HisagiEeehh
>we never get to see Aizen's Bankai>we never even see the powers of Ichigo's true Bankai
>>76958980Maybe? Hellsing Familiars are stored in your soul somehow, while in Solo Leveling they seem to live in a weird dimension in the MC's shadow.
>>76958973For the most part Hollow stuff amounts to "Pick a general theme and as you get stronger as a hollow and evolve, you'll develop an appearance and powers that suit that theme", since that's how it generally works for Hollows. It's influenced by your personality and desires of course, like most powers in the series, but there'll be mostly free form there with some guides on what is possible.The only restriction I'm considering is having powers that are innately based around growth, like power stealing or Arturo's Reiryoku draining, cost a certain amount extra to attain. Just because that stuff is kinda better, while everything else is powerful based on your spirit levels.>>76958997Got it in one. Shun Shun Rikka's the human 800, since Orihime is apparently not a Fullbringer.
>>76959003That's not a point in their favour, both the items or the people complaining they cost too much.
>>76959027Aren't shadows and souls the same thing in Solo Leveling?
>>76959046It wasn't supposed to be.
>>76959021>Ichigo's true bankaiIs there really any mystery there? More raw stats, bigger Getsugas. Basically everything Ichigo gets is those two things.
>>76957314>>76957427Actually fuck it I'm going to give it another try, since my old computer died and my last WIP was shit I'm going to start over from scratch. Pear down the origins a bit to just those it would actually make a good deal of sense to have trying to claim a Space hulk for themselves. Objective, there is a space hulk with at least one readily salvageable human ship. You need to claim it in the name of the Imperium and/or your own self interest. OriginsRogue Trader, the lesser kind with a Letter of Marque instead of a warrant and pitiful resources by RT standards but still has the opportunity to own their own starships. Perks for being a space murder hobo/treasure hunter. Items fancy high quality wargear and/or xenotech. Inquisition: An acolyte to an inquisitor, tasked with reclaiming the ship(s) for their master with command of their new ship(s) as a reward for success. Has solid backing but might not want to think too hard about the penalty for failure or what the plan for you and the ship(s) might be long term. Perks for subterfuge and dealing with unconventional threats. Items weird and/or cool shit inquisitors like to use, like digiweapons. Mechanicus: You're a toaster fucker who gathered enough support and resources to claim your own ships to play with, assuming you can pry them from the grip of whatever is in the hulk. Perks for restoring and making use of old/advanced technology. Items advanced technology, might give unaugmented humans cancer.Space Marine: Your chapter needs ships and doesn't want to wait for new owns to be built, luckily there's a space hulk with at least one good one stuck in the side and who was the best group to be going into space hulks again? Best gear and dudes but also the fewest of them. Perks for being exceptionally good at killing things, being massive, killing things, military tactics, purging xenos, and killing things.Items space marine stuff, may cripple unagumented humans.cont.
>>76959028NTA but for the Hollow side of things I was thinking on cracking down on the regen even harder, rather than dropping it for moar raw power. Would that count as a Hollow power or is the fact that regen is already a basic ability make it invalid?
>>76959062But how BEEG do those raw stats and Getsugas have to be so that Yhwach would consider it an instant defeat on his part if allowed Ichigo to go Bankai?
>>76958000From the wiki>Ginnungagap can be used to destroy large areas. It is the most powerful World Item against physical objects, but it is not very useful against individual targets. This World Item is capable of changing forms.>However, it is weaker than a specialized divine-class item. Still, this World Item is quite strong in that it will never be destroyed or damagedSo you are not exactly right, but not wrong either.>that world items can protect from other world items.What? I thought WI did protect you from WI, ergo why Ainz wanted Aura and Mare to have one when he fought Shalltear? (his red orb is a WI)
>>76959098That’s straight up what Ulquiorra did.
>>76959128Ah, so there's precedent. That makes things easier.
>>76957902Why do you think he hesitate so much on using things?
>>76959098Sure, why not? There's no reason you can't focus in. Hollows are naturally strong but there are numerous hollows we see that just focus on that strength. Yammy, Ylfordt, Tesra, etc.Maybe you could take some sort of survival or endurance thing as the overall theme and combined with your preference for regeneration/keeping the regen, you'll see that regen developing into a much more powerful ability.>>76959100Who even knows.All I know is writing the Allmighty power out is going to be such a bleeding arsehole of a time.
>>76959112>I thought WI did protect you from WINta, but from what I understand his point is that they protect from WI but not other sources of the effect. Avarice and Generous would protect from Downfall of Castle and Country but not from the enchantment spells of a level 100 bard, for example.
>>76959062There is. Think about it. Yhwach was casually fighting and overwhelming the fully evolved Aizen who was much stronger than even when he fought post-Dangai Ichigo in the Deicide arc. The same Aizen who, with a portion of his spiritual power, crushed part of the Soul King's power and threatened to "drag down" the Soul Palace to crash into Seireitei. Aizen, whose abilities literally warp reality so that he adapts perpetually and becomes infinitely stronger on demand. That Aizen. Yhwach was beating his ass for a while even if Aizen put up a downright impressive showing against The Almighty.The same Yhwach destroyed Ichigo's Bankai instantly with The Almighty and said that it was "a magnificent Bankai" and admitted that it was necessary for him to break it before Ichigo could use it. That has a lot of implications considering that prior to that moment Yhwach wasn't even remotely concerned about Ichigo and was content to simply play around with him. Yhwach didn't even feel comfortable letting Ichigo swing it around a few times before crushing it, he felt that he had to do so instantly to prevent Ichigo from using it. This implies that either Ichigo's Bankai is freakishly powerful beyond even The Almighty's ability to compensate or that it has some kind of ability that hard counters Yhwach.
>>76959112>What? I thought WI did protect you from WI, ergo why Ainz wanted Aura and Mare to have one when he fought Shalltear? (his red orb is a WI)That anon is full of shit, you're remembering things right.
>>76959112Anon's point is that worls items protecting the user from other word items, doesn't mean they all grant protection against all mind controlling effects or compulsions as well as instant-death effects, negative status effects, and scrying effects from every source.
>>76959062Ichigo really got some boring stuff compaired to everyone else his most unique trick was turning into a hollow every now and again
>>76959112>What? I thought WI did protect you from WI, ergo why Ainz wanted Aura and Mare to have one when he fought Shalltear? (his red orb is a WI)They do. He was probably criticising more how Brellin decided that any WI at all would protect you from a big range of status effects, like just holding any WI makes you immune to mind control stuff.
>>76959168Ichigo was following the Kenpachi school of raw power > hax
>>76958950Until someone does.
Any ideas on how to revitalize the First Flame in Dark Souls 3?Egil's Torch from FF2 should keep it from burning out, now I just need a way to return it to its former glory when it engulfed the entire Kiln.
>>76959182Kenpachi did it better he dident pussy out and use transformations
>>76959158>>76959161>>76959166>>76959174Well duh. That's basic logic.
>>76959216Until he did.
>>76959152>Maybe you could take some sort of survival or endurance thing as the overall theme and combined with your preference for regeneration/keeping the regen, you'll see that regen developing into a much more powerful ability.Now I got the idea of fusing the Hierro and regen together.Something to mull over. Have a wonderful day.
>>76959159I mean, Aizen's pretty strong but you're talking him up a little much there. He's growing stronger over time and he's never really adapted to specific stuff as opposed to just getting generally stronger. And beating his ass doesn't really match either. The fight was short and Aizen succeeded in effectively stalling the guy for a short time. Ass beating implies Yhwach was winning. Besides, the implications with Aizen's Shikai have a lot more relevance there than just raw power, especially with how it let Yhwach get beaten anyway.It really could just be too much raw power for him to contain. The series is fairly straightforward in that stuff sometimes just overwhelming raw broken abilities. And that's pretty consistently with Ichigo's whole deal too. Hyper focused, insane amounts of raw power.I'd find it much weirder if Ichigo suddenly has some weird Stand power like the other late game enemies. That doesn't fit his character and personality at all. Our boy Kurosaki is an extremely straightforward, practical guy. And if his true Shikai was just his original one but better with two swords, it seems more likely that follows true with his true bankai
>>76959204You don't, have you seen how the world is?Let the ultra old comatose poor guy living centuries on borowed, painful and forced time die.
How would Albedo react to a Supreme Being other than Momonga hitting on her? Assuming you don't replace him.
>>76958950How did that work? Do you have a source?
>>76959268Politely refusing to your face while wanting to slaughter you on the inside.
>>76958928>hiding in the warehouseYou deserve a slap for doing that....isn't that a strategy that SB like?
>>76959204Chucking souls in works. Problem is that if the flame doesnt go out it will royally fuck up the world
>>76959265Why letting old age win when you can find a potion of youth instead? There are good people there and I don't know if you can evacuate them all, so why not try to return the world to its prime instead? A full return instead of the partial ones that the linking of the fire creates.
>>76959268Unclear, but definitely not >>76959286. The only reason she hates the other SB are because they abandoned Nazarick and the guardians. So she might do it out of fealty, just like any of the NPCs would, but she'd never be as enthusiastic about it as she would with Ainz. It'd be about duty and obligation more than interest.Keep in mind, the NPCs were always going to be loyal to the SB but the fact that Ainz was the only one that stayed is why they're so fanatical about him and are thirsty for attention and approval.
>>76959028>Pick a general theme and as you get stronger as a hollow and evolve, you'll develop an appearance and powers that suit that themeThat sounds nice enough. Even if I did turn out wrong that Ikomiki perk would fix that. Thank you.Speaking of which, when it says we can slave a Zanpakutou to us does it mean we have to carry around the sword inside our body? Just seems a bit different to what it said about us eating all the useful parts of a soul.
>>76958614Bu, buuuut you shouldn't shake the boat!mfw the Shitigami works much better as antagonists.
>>76956643>Shounen protagonists aren't allowed to have teleportation (because it's too convenient of a power and would derail the entire story)Yeah bro hahaha.
>>76959344Japanese conservatism for you.
>>76959338Renewing the flame doesnt return it to its prime. It burns the world as fuel.
>>76959168Hollow Ichigo is fucking bullshit though. Think about this: the Vasto Lorde form of Hollow Ichigo was absolutely shitting on Ulquiorra in his Segunda Etapa. Ulquiorra, in comparison, was so overwhelmingly powerful in his basic first level Resurreccion that even without Segunda Etapa the normal Ichigo could barely even react to his attacks and was being annihilated. Hollow Ichigo during that battle was overwhelming Ulquiorra's Cero Oscuras and Lanza del Relampago, both stated to be many times stronger than his ordinary Cero, with his own basic red Cero. That's fucking crazy, right?Except that right after this battle, when Ichigo leaves Hueco Mundo with Unohana, he reveals to her that the condition of his Bankai's outfit is indicative of how much spiritual power he's got left. Ichigo at the time only has a single sleeve left and told her that he was running on about half his normal strength, something that shocked Unohana because she could sense his spiritual pressure and he dwarfed Captain level. That is, Ichigo with just half of his spiritual power was massively stronger than a Captain. The same Ichigo being beaten around by Ulquiorra in base Resurreccion. Now, do you remember Hollow Ichigo? Remember what HE was wearing in Bankai...? Yeah, he was wearing a loincloth. All that was left of his Bankai outfit was a fucking loincloth that didn't even cover his legs. What percentage of spiritual power do you think he was running on when he was smashing Ulquiorra's face through those pillars? And we can safely assume that to be the case because later, during Ichigo's Dangai training, we see Hollow Ichigo in that form again... wearing the complete version of Ichigo's Bankai outfit.Hollow Ichigo is scary as fuck.
>>76959344>what is having morally grey entitiesShinigami are kinda stuck in a shitty too anon.
>>76959268Complicated feelings, as >>76959340 point out.I legit think you could win some points with her by agreeing a bit with some of her extreme ideas.Maybe a bit of >>76959286
>>76959334Why? The world is wrong in DS3 but that could also be attribute to the fire not having been linked when it should have (the prince rejecting to do so, the lords of Cinder abandoning their thrones...). This is the first time afaik that things have gone so far that the Unkindled have been called, and the sane and not evil Lord of Cinder, Ludleth, did return despite knowing the cost.
You know, I’m genuinely torn between trying to self insert as Fem!Ichigo, or just going pure Shinigami and trying to husbando Aizen.It also occurs to me those are not mutually exclusive.
>>76959404>shitty too anon.*shitty situation
>>76959394Which is why the villain of the novel literally waited until Ichigo went on a vacation to enact his plan
>>76959342Well, you'd need to have the sword out if using the powers but you can probably spiritually assimilate it somehow.>>76959344>>76959386It's not really that. There's plenty of acknowledgement in series that it's a terrible situation and Ichigo's ancestor, the first Shiba (Who apparently was startlingly similar to Ichigo) wanted to avoid a lot of the shit. But he got killed by the Tsunayashiro ancestor who wanted power.It's less status quo is best no change allowed and more a combination of evil people often being in power and wanting it this way as well as the good people not really having any alternatives right now. Plus a final dash of lots of good folk aren't even aware of all the problems and reasons why they exist because of huge secrets.
>>76959419>but that could also be attribute to the fire not having been linked when it should haveIt is flat out stated that the world is the way it is because the flame has been linked too long.
>>76959338You can't.>>76959338>the world to its primeThat your mistake, it's not a prime, just an age, that ruined the world.
>>76959421>or just going pure Shinigami and trying to husbando Aizen.Aizen is like Vergil, unless it somehow leads to power he’s not going to be interested.
>>76959394All I'm hearing is that going full Shinigami+Hollow is the way to go.Fucking hybrid bullshit.
>>76959152>Maybe you could take some sort of survival or endurance thing as the overall theme and combined with your preference for regeneration/keeping the regenNot that anon, but now I'm imagining a Hollow based around the denial phase of grief, saying "nuh-uh" to any damage and their body reflecting that state of mind. Only way to win is to get them to accept the damage and then it all snaps back in.
>>76959390It burns the person linking it. But once it's at it's prime Egil's Torch should stop it from needing fuel again.
>>76959344>>76959386>>76959404wow, basedigami keeping those beta dead people in their place
>>76959394It's no Vasto Lorde. That hollow form is just Ichigo's Resurreccion. It's referred to as that in the brave souls game.
>>76959441Also in the Shinigami timespan, things have been sort of improving.Yamamoto outright said the original gotei 13 were a bunch of lawless killers.
>>76959460Which just means the world never gets to renew its self in a time of dark. Congrats you fucked over the entire world to make sure it is bright instead of having the metaphysical cycle it requires.
>>76959404>>76959441So nothing change. YaaaaaaayThey have a fucking mad, evil scientist that they uses for comic relief
>>76959394That was the last time Ichigo looked badass.>>76959454It's actually even more bullshit, the guy's also a Quinci.
>>76959492A lot of people are disgusted by him, but they accept him as a lesser evil because they need the shit he makes. He’s also like the subpar replacement after they lost Urahara who himself was replacing the former captain who moved to 0 squad. Like, you’re looking at this from a very black and white perspective.
>>76959204generic dungeon crawl lets you spend money to fix anything, but it costs a lot more than fixing it normally would. Pair that with your preferred method of infinite money.
>>76959458Potentially viable, though the weird concept stuff usually only comes in at the higher end. I'd like the hollow powers to be fairly personally driven, main challenge will just be making sure it's clear what the intention is and that it's not meant to be too limiting.>>76959482Yeah, even before Ichigo and his friends helped humanise and kick asses into gear, things were better than in the best. 2 of the four great noble families are led by decent people now, Yoruichi and Byakuya come close to murdering Tsunayashiro when he tries pulling some corrupt shit in front of them, which is a great sign.The main problems in the way of overall afterlife improvement are probably Central 46 (And Ichibe's apathy towards the problems they cause, as long as the cycle is safe) as well as the sheer size of the afterlife. Soul Society is an absolutely massive place after all.>>76959492Not saying they're entirely good. Just saying the usual idiotic trot out of "It's those darn Japanese and their love for things not changing" isn't accurate at all.Not that evil scientists being used by the good guys because they're valuable hasn't happened plenty of times before.
>>76959543>the guy's also a Quinci.Barely makes use of it, largely irrelevant build-wise.
>>76959482Yes, the japanese way.Improving things with time, luck and zero effort.
>>76959543And a Fullbringer at one time, don't forget that part.Ichigo was a four-way hybrid.
>>76959574Technically three way, since Shinigami isn't actually a race. Anyone can be a Shinigami.
>>76959390Egil's Torch item makes it so the flame contained inside doesn't need fuel.
>>76959204Gather up the Dark Soul of man and throw it into the fire. That's how it's supposed to be in the first place
>>76959570Okay this seems to be less a criticism of the writing and more a general “ugh Japan bad” thing, because I’m pretty sure someone (probably you) also kept going on about how badawfulshit japan was when the shinigami not being so great came up before.
What would happen if a Lunar find their mate and it's a small child?
>>76959567>>76959569I'd say it's both, which isn't helping.It's mostly my salt over them doing nothing.>>76959574The Kamen Rider form.The dude have a foot in everything, it's like a kid saying 'I have everything'.
>>76959601If you have a fire beside a buildin, even if it normally causes no damage usually, it will melt and burn shit if you leave it burning long enough. The world is literally curling in on itsself into a charred husk. It doesnt matter how much extra fuel you toss on it adding more fire will not help.
>>76959629Either /ss/, grooming, child murder, or wholesome adopted family shenanigans.Really depends on their relationship.
>>76959629Probably form a strong parental bond, try to murder the child or depending on the depravity form a more intimate relation with the child. Depends on the individual
>>76959629It's not necessarily a sex thing, it just means that you have an intimacy which could be damn near any kind of relationship.
>>76959486Cycles are gay.
>>76959655Yeah but what if you added infinite fuel to the fire? Surely that will make all the burnt stuff be not burnt.
>>76959611>someone did it, it's probably you, only one person per opinionAnon....
>>76959595>Anyone can be a ShinigamiNot true. As a Plus you can learn the Shinigami's techniques but you need sufficient spiritual power before you even start learning. Most Pluses can never be Shinigami because they're too weak to manifest any spiritual power. Hollows can't become Shinigami (without Hogyoku shenanigans) because of their nature and Quincy (except for Ichigo due to his weird nature as a hybrid) can't because they're still alive.
>>76959675>>76959659>>76959684Alright then, tattooed muscular woman adopting a small mortal child that's somehow their mate, and settling down to raise them and run a tavern it is.Thanks dudes
>>76959731I just realized I've yet again made a build that can be summoned up as "small child acquires nonhuman adoptive parents" except this time the adoptive parents are a bubbly and helpful intelligent tavern, a knowledge seeking library that lives in my soul, and a tattooed muscular wolfgirl.
>>76959726Semantics and not relevant to the question here. Also incorrect.A Shinigami is someone who uses a Zanpakuto. A Zanpakuto is an asauchi filled with spiritual energy of the wielder. If you have enough spiritual energy and an asauchi, you can make a Zanpakuto and become a Shinigami. There's no rule that only dead spiritual energy counts, there's no difference between the energy of the living and the dead. Hollows and Quincy can both do this. They just don't get the oppurtunity.The Hogyouko doesn't give Hollows a normal Zanpaktuo. It seals their hollow powers into the form of a sword that works similar to one.
>>76959441>but you can probably spiritually assimilate it somehow.Ah, that's good then. I had thought they some kind of safeguard against being eaten or whatever. Thanks again, Val.
>>76959629The lunar bond doesn't need to be romantic. It creates an Intimacy, but it doesn't determine what that Intimacy will be like. They won't be indifferent, but that doesn't mean they'll necessarily be lovers:>The one Solar Exalt to whom a Lunar Exalt bears a special, spiritual bond. In the Old Realm, Solar and Lunar mates often did marry, but at least as many were merely friends or partners who found it easy and natural to work together.>Two bonded mates who find themselves sexually compatible may or may not become lovers. Other pairs do not feel any mystical compulsion to change their sexual orientations. They just become close friends. Lunars who were mistreated by Solar mates in a past life, who deliberately abandoned their mates during the Usurpation or who have changed gender and/or sexual orientation since their First Age lives might have more... complicated reactions to their reborn mates. Love her or hate her, however, the Lunar still suffers from an Intimacy with his reborn mate.
>>76959843I want you to know that with those two paragraphs, you've effectively double my knowledge of Exalted's setting. Thank you for answering my question anon
>>76959890No problem, anon. Glad to be of help.
>>76959890...why are you jumping it if you know that little about the setting then?
>>76959441>but you can probably spiritually assimilate it somehow.This is shaping up to have so many power copying/stealing options. The temptation to just be a power hungry dick for the jump is rising.
>>76959394All I can think when I see that is about how Ichigo's final form has just one of those horns. One goofy goddamn lopsided horn.It looks so stupid that it legitimately makes me angry.
>>76959987They really went full JRPG with it, huh?
>>76959465Neither of those make sense, honestly. Vasto Lorde is a specific stage of the hollow growth cycle that comes about from eating a fuck ton of other hollows, which Ichigo didn't do. And Resurrection is an Arrancar releasing their power stored in their false zanpakuto to return to their most Bestival hollow form. Which Ichigo is not and also didn't do.
>>76959987That wasn't really his final form though. Ichigo outright admits that he hadn't mastered it yet but that he didn't really have a choice but to bust it out prematurely against Yhwach. He even had to go through a whole song and dance of depleting his Shinigami power and unbalancing his spiritual energy in order to imperfectly release his Resurreccion for a quick power boost. It's not like he had any time to train it so he had to improvise and artificially force himself into a semi-Hollow state.
>>76959933Originally for the The Inner World perk because I wanted to be able to have land in my soul without going to World Seed, now it's because I really really like the Tavern of Revelries and Scriptorium of Fantasy Penned manses, and the Lunar Mate companion
>>76960026It's his inner hollow, which is part Shinigami, releasing it's true power. Resurreccion.
>>76959987I'm glad that it wasn't just me who felt that was dumb.
>>76960045...Gods, Ichigo is such glorious bullshit and as much as that other anon thinks it's stupid, I love it....Hey Val? Quick question; if we were to try to build Ichigo with your jump-as it currently stands-what sort of CP cost would we be looking at to get all his glorious shonen bullshit?
>>76959629And my actual buildExalted The InfernalsOrigin: Adorjan, Szoreny, Drop-in, M, 12Drawbacks: Mortal Form +300, Past Lives Matter +200. +500 1500Perks: Name That Unfolds Like Butter free, Below Notice -100, Acts of Villainy -200, Metal Trees -100, The Inner World -400. -800 700Items: Stipend +300 1000Manse: Tavern of Revelries -400, Scriptorium of Fantasy Penned (Imported into The Inner World) -400. -800 200Companions: Lunar Mate (I have absolutely no idea why a Mortal would have a Lunar Mate, how a Lunar would react to their mate being a 6 year old child, or what a Lunar is even capable of, but I like the idea of having someone that I'll always be able to get along with) -200 0My plan is to settling down to run a Tavern with my Lunar Mate. I remember something about there being Exalted hating murder monks roaming around, so I'm also going to store a bunch of food in the Scriptorium, so I can hide there if one of those guys show upI'm not taking the Exaltation post jump though
>>76960026>that comes about from eating a fuck ton of other hollowsNot really. As we see with Coyote Starrk, you don't have to eat any Hollows at all to become a Vasto Lorde. Starrk was born one and had such overwhelming power that it would literally evaporate anybody who approached him. Eating Hollows is just a means of increasing your power and once you reach a certain plateau of power you evolve into a Vasto Lorde.
>>76960088>not taking the Exaltation post jump thoughY tho
>>76959053Well, the people's shadows aren't literally their souls, but the shadow soldiers are formed by extracting the target's soul, yes.
>>76960082Iirc she said something like 1200-1600cp, though cheaper if you cut Quincy stuff which he didn’t make much use of.
>>76959987It was lame, but I'm happy it wasn't as lame as Naruto's.
>>76959282Not explained until we get her mats.
>>76960131The medic said otherwise.
>>76960100>Hollows were Pokemon all along
>>76960100>Starrk was born oneI thought that was more metaphorical in the sense when what he was before "evolved" to become a Vasto Lorde, it was reborn. Growing to a different stage seems to make you a different being.Otherwise it doesn't make any sense. Was Starrk just supposed to have been a random human soul with so much raw spiritual pressure that he's best compared to Ichigo or Aizen after he's been huffing plot rocks?
Will we get a zero edition to commemorate Bleach?
>>76960082Depends on how much you include as part of his thing. Being the four races he has, plus his ability to grow fast and in response to conflict, would all come to between 1200 and 1500 points. But that's just Ichigo at basically episode 1, you'd still need to go through all the danger and challenges. You could get further with more points but that's more expensive.
>>76956353Zenkichi? What with his Crush for Medaka and his Devil Style
>>76953220Yes, even if there is at least one exception out there in MGE.Just do it by putting stipends in another section, or having an option that everyone can freely select like race/faction grant the points. Then nobody will really notice/complain.
>>76960192I am just absolutely excited. Utterly hyped.And terrified of how many drawbacks I'm gonna be taking.
>>76960188It's possible. Stark wasn't that strong. He was around the level of Shunsui, maybe a bit weaker, not Ichigo or Aizen before or after the timeskip. That was after he became an Arrancar too, so a big boost there.
>>76960118>Y thoBecause I have absolutely no idea of what a Infernal can actually do, and while normally I'm totally willing to research stuff to find out, Exalted is annoyingly hard to research without resorting to reading sourcebooks, and I hate how White Wolf's sourcebooks tend to be half story, a quarter prose, two eighths pictures one eighth cursive writing, and an eighth actual mechanical explanationsSo, I'm just going to spend my time in a oriental themed setting, and completely ignore the powers I could've potentially gotten there
>>76960100>Eating Hollows is just a means of increasing your powerNo? It's something that have to do to survive/not go even more insane than they are. And for Adjuchas, to keep from regressing into a mindless Gilligan. And I'm pretty sure it's the only way for a Hollow to increase their power. Aside from a one-time power boost they can get from ripping off their mask and becoming Arrancar. They can't just train like Shinigami can and gain power.
Just found out the Joker was based on a dude from a 1928 movie called "The Man Who Laughs". Crazy shit, you should look up the picture for the guy that was in the movie, he's spot on for being the Joker.
>>76960182He didn't? He just said that when he was brought back as a shadow soldier he got an enforced loyalty towards the MC and that the MC should be careful with his power.
>>76960188Nah, we know otherwise because of Harribel and Ulquiorra. Harribel in particular remembers everything prior to becoming a Vasto Lorde. And in any case, Starrk's aspect of death was "Loneliness" which was embodied by him being so powerful that no one could approach him without dying. He eventually resorted to literally carving Lilynette out of his own soul to have some kind of companionship.
>>76960192How does being a hybrid work? Is there a race section where you can buy more than one race?
>>76960237>Crazy shit, you should look up the picture for the guy that was in the movie, he's spot on for being the Joker.Yeah, it's almost as if the Joker was based on him. Real crazy, man.
>>76960241You are saying he wasnt brought back but he literally was. Even what you say here proves it.
>>76960266Huh, I never said that he wasn't brought back? I just said that the Shadow Soldiers are formed by extracting souls from the targets, but people's shadows aren't literally their souls. It's a form of necromancy and it just gets the title of shadows because it's the Shadow Monarch (who gets the SHADOW Legion and SHADOW Soldiers for his SHADOW powers).
>>76960220>He was around the level of ShunsuiHe lost to Shunsui (while not actually trying that hard). That doesn't make him the same level as Shunsui anymore than Ichigo beating Kenpachi means that Ichigo was as strong the top tier captains the second he first stepped into Soul Society.Plus, again, this is raw spiritual power from a human soul that never trained we're talking about. Even if he was "only"as strong as one of the more powerful captains, not even fucking Ichigo was that crazy powerful to start with. It just doesn't make sense.
>>76960243>Starrk's aspect of death was "Loneliness"Given his aspect I guess it makes an ironic kind of sense for Starrk to only have one soul inside of him.
>>76960244You get one race for free at the start, none of them cost points if you only pick one. Your first race is the primary one, where you get full freebies and discounts (So 2 freebies, 2 discounted lines and the 800 racial perk discounted).Then the general perk section will have a race perk, probably called Hybridisation or somehting. Costs 200-300CP each purchase and each time you get it, you pick another race. You get limited discounts for extra races. No freebies, maybe one freebie if I end up thinking it's needed, only one line discounted for the racial perks and no discounts on the 800cp perk of that extra race.You've got a decent amount of freedom for how exactly the hybrid thing works, because we see a number of different ways. If you're a Shinigami-Hollow hybrid, it might vary from being a Vizard (Shinigami dominant with no passive Hollow stuff, Hollow is a inner hollow to be tamed but can be used for a huge temporary super mode), an Arrancar (Hollow dominant, Shinigami side is very limited and mostly just a method to use hollow powers), Hikone style (Full hybrid of both, have the passives of each race but no super mode or special enhancements beyond ordinary members) and so on. Any choice you make is roughly as valuable as others but there's different ways to weigh the advantages and disadvantages.Being a Hybrid doesn't innately increase your power but it will open up a variety of options and additional ways to grow, which will make getting stronger a lot easier in general.
>>76960324Okay so he was even weaker than Shunsui. This doesn't seem that hard. We know that living beings can be very powerful spiritually, it's just very rare. He was some spirit warrior or monk when he was alive and that huge amount of power transferred when he became a hollow. Simple. Obviously not likely but he's not some common nobody hollow. He's the third strongest hollow that ever appears in the setting.
>>76960361>have the passives of each race but no super mode or special enhancements beyond ordinary membersWhat are these passives, and what do you mean by supermodes? Do you mean Shikai/Resurreccion?
>>76960333HOLY JESUS FUCK THAT'S A BIG NUMBER OH MY GOD NAPPA COME LOOK AT THIS I DON'T FUCKING BELIEVE IT
>>76960361For all the shit about hybrids, aren't the strongest people in the setting barring the MC just members of a single race? And most of them just Shinigami too.
>>76960324>KenpachiI still think it's hilarious that everyone talks about how ridiculous Ichigo and Aizen are because of their hybrid bullshit/magic rocks, but EOS Kenpachi is nearly as powerful as them without mastering his Bankai or ever learning proper swordsmanship. And he's just like, some guy. He doesn't have hollow powers or immortality or anything. He's just stupid powerful for no reason at all.
>>76940632>I think I need scriptAnon to recreate it, I can't quite work out how to do so.https://ghostbin.co/paste/kyxwoAnd here's a plain PDF conversion.
>>76960439Everyone wants to be like the MCs, anon.
>>76960441Kenpachi has always been glorious bullshit.
>>76960386>He's the third strongest hollow that ever appears in the setting.If Ichigo's the first, who is the second?
>>76960361gonna go quincy-hollow hybrid just to fuck with people and wonder how that works
>>76960457I prefer being illusion man.
>>76960494>Implying Aizen isn't also a MC
>>76960400Well, what I described earlier in that post. If you take a Hikone style thing, you don't get the Vizard mask thing, which is an easy quick huge buff. Instead, you get access to a Hierro and natural regeneration and can learn Hollow techniques like Cero without only using them with the mask on.Whatever you choose, there is the potential to expand beyond the starting point, like a Vizard learning that shit and using it outside of the mask, but that'll generally take time and effort compared to just starting like that. Advantages and disadvantages to each choice but you get a lot of choice. How your character works is up to you.>>76960439That's sorta my mindset behind not letting hybrids get discounts on all the 800 perks. They're all, save one of them, based on pure race members.
>>76960466Ichigo's not first. he's a hybrid and not a true hollow. That ikomiki thing from the novel is first and Yammy is second even if we all wish he wasn't.
>>76960315How are you trying to claim that they both are and are not their souls?
>>76960511Ah, so the "beyond ordinary members" thing is just that you're a normie on both accounts in terms of the races you're a hybrid of, rather than having a boost related to the second race?
>>76960543Because things don't lose their shadow when they get their souls extracted? It's not like Moria from One Piece.
>>76960556Pretty much. Instead of aiming for a special buff, you just go for being a ordinary but full member of each race at once. In the long term, probably better overall, but that is in the long term, since you'll have to do all that training and learning yourself.
>>76960530>Yammy is secondI still call bullshit on that. A worn-out Byakuya and Kenpachi bodied his fully buffed Resurreccion form off-screen with apparently little difficulty. And it's unlikely that either of them would stand any chance against even Ulquiorra if they had fought against him.
In the MCU 1 jump, what movie would you be at 5 years in? Prior to Infinity War right? I'm thinking of splitting the MCU jumps into MCU 1 being five years and then MCU 2 picking up at that point for another ten, rather than having them both just be one combined 15 year jump, but I'm not entirely sure how far along the plot will have gone in that initial five year time frame.
>>76960568The person becomes their shadow. They become a shadow warrior. Their soul inhabits their shadow now like a body.
>>76960477Jesus fuck i wish that quest still existed. Fuck me this is age old salt you are returning upon me.
>>76960606Ulquiorra is only that strong in his final secret mode that no one else has. Give any espada ranked higher than Ulquiorra the same form and they'd be stronger than him.
>>76960227>Because I have absolutely no idea of what a Infernal can actually do, and while normally I'm totally willing to research stuff to find out, Exalted is annoyingly hard to research without resorting to reading sourcebookshttp://ninjasensei.wikidot.com/lunar-charmshttp://ninjasensei.wikidot.com/infernal-charmsThese two places have charm have most or all of the canon charms for Lunars and Infernals, if you are interested.Infernal charms imitate the Yozi. Adorjan, for example, is a wind that murders those in her path. As a living wind, her charms include things like running fast constantly and regardless of the terrain, making running count as sleep in terms of rest, dodging physical attacks, being invisible and inaudible as long as you are running as fast as possible, being able to attack others despite dashing without stopping, turning into literal wind... >Adorjan doesn’t like inflicting violence callously and dispassionately from afar, and her Charms support this. Nonetheless, she is against range, not ranged weapons. Any attacks made at melee range count as close combat attacks, regardless of the weapon used. Likewise, any attacks made beyond this distance count as ranged combat for the purpose of Adorjani Charms.>the Exalt appears as a gust of crimson-hued wind swirling with mirage distortions. When initially still, he coalesces into a humanoid shape hinting at his material form. As he moves, his ephemeral substance warps and stretches behind him as amorphous streamers of light and pain, making it impossible to identify him without the aid of Charms.From the more mental side, you can do things like instantly terminating your emotional attachments, instantly falling in love, making others fall in love with you, making people forget about the things you steal from them, being better at hurting those that you love, gaining telepathy at the cost of becoming mute, making people believe any lies they tell you...
>>76960655Look anon, not going to bother with this anymore. Souls =/= Shadows. Shadow Soldiers are their own category of magical beings and you aren't going to hurt someone's soul in Solo Leveling by stepping in their shadows.
>>76958048>why you wanted them to look fleshyCouldn't they use something more in line with 16's design and just keep the humanoid shape but have a lot of clearly superior armor systems or tech stuffed inside it?
>>76960131Don't Monarchs lack a shadow?
>>76960694Right, I'm gonna bookmark that wiki for later reading. I am fully aware that I'll most likely never get around to actually reading it, but I am genuinely thankful for the effort you put into your post
>>76960714Honestly I think the Astartes cyborg Ideal would be to be melded to their armor and become just a single bot.
>>76960718They lack a body when they die, because they are spiritual beings. The Shadow Monarch's powers work by extracting the souls using the corpses as catalyst, and when the Monarch dies their spiritual body just vanishes. This is said around when the MC kills the Giant Monarch.
>>76957144All that effort and no response by the requester. You really wasted your time anon.
>>76960511On another note, will you post general perks as well?
>>76960886This is why /jc/ doesn't deserve any effort at all.
>>76958980>>76960881I wonder if you'd be able to bypass the physical body requirement by just absorbing the souls directly.
>>76960909Eventually, maybe. They're a long ways off though. Racial perks might be done in 2 days but then Role perks are about as long as Racial ones and should take me 8 days at my current pace.
>>76960940Best of luck with that.
>>76960709No shit dumbass. However being made into a shadow warrior is turning them into a shadow. They literally are the souls and you saying "yes but no" about this is not an argument.
>>76960881See>>76960709They re no souls. They are made out of souls but not souls.
>Bleach discussionI've never read Bleach.I don't know what any of those words mean, they just confuse and enrage me.
>>76961023They literally are souls though. What the other anon is saying is that someone's actual physical shadow isn't the same as their soul in SL.
Someone post that autism rage pic.
>>76961047I've never read it either but the words sounds cool.
If you bought all the Kido perks, how long would it take you to make a big boob Kido?
>>76961047>ShinigamiSouls that learn to fight with spirit swords (zanpakuto) that have “releases” (levels of power), called shikai and bankai.>HollowsMore monstrous souls that eat other souls to grow stronger. The strongest are (typically) more human like. Their “release” is called Resurrección.>QuincySorta-Humans with special powers that destroy Hollows because Hollows are toxic to them. The important ones each have a power based of a letter in the alphabet and a “release” that is called a Vollstandig.>FullbringerHumans with pieces of a god like being in them that gives them powers, typically manifesting via an item that holds great meaning to them.Very basic explanation.
>>76961148Exactly as long as it would take you to think about it, probably.
>>76961047I used to when I was young. It confuses and makes me angry as well. Shit got weird.
>>76961163>ResurrecciónWould this be powerful enough to contest El Hermano?
Would your own Zanpakuto spirit make a good waifu?
>>76961448Better question; would it count as incest or masturbation?
>>76961448You're just Shunsui.
>>76961448Depends on who you are as a person. A self absorbed romantic like Shunsui might get someone attractive to that sort of person but it might not fit others.
>>76961448Would you be a good waifu to yourself?Also, Zanpakuto spirits tend to be the same gender as their wielder, but there are exceptions.
>>76961470Would the resulting children give you more powers?
>>76961470Neither, it would be selfcest.
Isn't Bleach that series that ended so unsatisfactorily that some kidnused his Make a Wish wish to ask the original author what the real ending was supposed to be?
>>76961536Try it and find out!>>76961549But that's the eternal question, isn't it? Is selfcest a form of incest, or could it be classified as masturbation?
>>76961609>Is selfcest a form of incest, or could it be classified as masturbation?Yes
>>76960088>Exalted hating murder monks roaming aroundYeah, Dragonblooded warrior monks. They do help in things like making sure the local gods do their jobs, but said "helpfulness" becomes a problem when you take into account the common beliefs about Solar and Lunar Exalted:Basically, the doctrine spread after the Usurpation is that the Solars and Lunars are what they call Anathema, demons in human form.You may also have to worry about the Wild Hunt and disguised Sidereals if you draw too much attention.
>>76961573Sounds like Negima to me. Dunno about the make a wish kid but Bleach did crash and burn towards the end of its run, although it was kind of in a death spiral of constantly decreasing quality the moment the Soul Society arc ended.
Are there any perks that eliminate habits and biases in stuff like chess or combat?
>>76960088>To much of Creation, and especially to the Dragon-Blooded, the Lunar Exalted are creatures of nightmare. While humanity has, until recently, enjoyed a long respite from the depredations of the Solar Anathema, the Lunars continued to reincarnate from the Usurpation to the present day. To many Dragon-Blooded, the Lunars are the Anathema — twisted, Wyld-tainted monsters that hurl themselves against civilization in barbarous rage.
>>76960657God, same here anon. The pain is real.
>>76960088>Since the Usurpation, the Immaculate Order has taught that the Lunar Exalted are demons called Anathema, though of a variety more bestial than the Solars. The Order has names for the surviving castes of the Lunar Anathema, and most civilized people only know these names for the three Lunar castes.>The Frenzied (Full Moon caste)>The Realm’s histories tell how these Anathema sought the power of great beasts and went mad. By the light of the moon, these feral lunatics ripped out the hearts of their hapless foes and drank their blood. When faced with the might of the Dragon-Blooded Host, the maniacs fl ed into the wilderness. The Wyld Hunt pursued and destroyed them, but sometimes, the foul patrons of the Anathema drive one their servants mad, and the hunt for the Frenzied must begin anew.>The Tricksters (Changing Moon caste)>Ancient records speak of Anathema who clad their bodies within lies. These craven creatures would lurk on the edges of the wild, slipping into cities and villages to seduce loyal husbands, devour them and lay their bestial seed within unsuspecting wives. Fortunately, the righteous Dragon-Blooded drove out these Tricksters and their beastman fosterlings. It is said that some fled into the forsaken shadowlands of Marama’s Fell, where their treacherous ways led to infighting and slaughter.>The Ogres (No Moon caste)>So hideous were these twisted Anathema that they were forced to work their evil by the dark of the moon. Less potent than the Unclean, the Ogres were so desperate to prove their power that they forged pacts with demons so wicked they could only be called on the darkest of nights. The Dragon-Blooded razed the stygian groves of these Anathema and banished their hellish masters. Today, the wise itinerant monks of the Immaculate Order watch for signs of the vile Ogres among the heretics of the wilds.
>>76961500There a perk for mastering thousands of sword styles like Unohana?
>>76961773It's above the picture anon
>>76961773https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/BleachQuesthttps://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/bleach-quest-5.284949/Great read but it doesn't have a real ending.
How many people here would end up with lewd Bankais?
>>76960243>carving Lilynette out of his own soul to have some kind of companionshipThis is legit badass.
>>76958811>is eaten by Douman, the man who failed to become a Beast OR pick a fight with some old onmyoji, offscreen
>>76961843Starrk is a pretty cool dude yeah.
>>76961835Oh yeah, definitely some kind of bondage-related thing for me. Probably something related to sealing powers, paralyzing limbs, removing senses, etc.
>>76961448A Zanpakuto is supposed to be your partner so yes. But not everyone care about their Zanpakuto, and not everyone can have a cool Zanpakuto spirit.
>>76961843His Resurreccion turns him into a fur jacket wearing gunslinger dual-wielding Hollow pistols that shoot thousands of wolves.
>>76961900Specifically for f*male binding, yes?
>>76961448Maybe? They might have a personality that conflicts with you greatly if that’s what helps your grow the most. They’re just a reflection of a portion of you that’s dedicated to seeing you improve one way or another.
>>76961047As far as I can tell Bleach is basically Kingdom Hearts without Donald and Goofy.
>>76961900You forgot tentacles.
>>76961947Bleach is more like JoJo or HxH with swords
>>76961929If you want to hurt women why not just marry a masochist?Literally everyone benefits from that.
>>76961932>I want you to understand that I was merely trying to get more power, though I can see now that it may appear that I was trying to get more power.
>>76961947But there is no DARKNESS.
>>76961972Yeah, that's Vergil alright.
>>76961747Anything for the CFYOW form Espada?
>>76962022That's all Brave Souls stuff, not CFYOW. It's pretty much all the Hogyouko, so you'd buy that item and fuse with it to attain that stuff.
>>76960670And Yammy's only that strong because of his ability to store up a bunch of power over a long time and use it all at once?If super secret bullshit super modes don't count as how strong you are, then everyone in Bleach is weaker than they really are.
>>76962046Huh. It’s all listed as CFYOW special versions in BBS. Hadn’t read it so wasn’t aware it was game original.
>>76961900You ever read Carmine's doujins?
I wonder if eating Kenpachi after he seals himself would be a good idea.
>>76961470Aren't Zanpakuto spirits technically hollows that got forged into a sword and then bound to a shinigami instead of actually being the Shinigami's soul?Except Ichigo's because Ichigo is weird.Actually that brings up a question. If Shinigami typically get their Zapakuto and have to bond with it, why did no one find it weird that Ichigo just had one he pulled from nowhere?
>>76962076Crimson Comics? A long time ago yeah but these days I'm not really a fan of his art style. Something about it is off-putting to me, like it's too simplistic or generic or something, I can't quite put my finger on what the issue is.
>>76961573>>76961680Wanst if because Kubo got really fucking tired of writing manga and wanted to go back to designing clothes?
>>76962111Because apparently rukia was attempting to make ichigo suicide at first I guess.
>>76961819Why did Bleach have so many quests anyway?
>>76962140Writing and drawing a weekly manga is hell on toast so if that's the case I don't blame him in the slightest.
Other than what GHQ has, what are some other things you can feed Hollows to keep their hunger at bay?
>>76961680>>76962140Well, that's what working as a mangaka will do to you.
>>76962148>didStill have new ones cropping up. Also still 99% hollow ones, sadly. Shit gets old.
>>76961843>>76961879>>76961923Between Starrk, Barragan, Nel, Shark Tits whose name I forget, and Grimmjow, I think the Arrancar were the coolest faction in Bleach. Though they definitely had their goofy flops with people like Nnoitra and Yammy, too.
>>76961835What determines what a Bankai looks like or does anyway?
>>76962111Nah, Zanpakuto are made from normal souls. They mention Shinigami but they also made them back before Shinigami were a thing so. They're just blank ones that have energy impressed onto them by the new wielder. >Ichigo had a Zanpakuto before he ever got an asauchiSsssh. The series kinda forgot about that. It's one of the few things never actually addressed, how and why Ichigo actually had a Zanpakuto like he did, since he had Zangetsu, the actual spirit, from at least the SS arc and probably just since birth if his Quincy powers copied his actual spirit. That's definitely not how it's meant to work.
>>76962140A lot of it was more that he hated publisher deadlines and influence. He wanted to do it at his own pace and how he wanted. He also did the last arc with a bad wrist injury iirc because of how much they wanted to push it out. At least he seems to be doing BtW at his own pace.
>>76962202There gonna be an item for a supply of blank souls? Looking to go down the swordsmith route.
Shinigamis can just peep on normies in the shower whenever they want, right?
Bleach sucks though, right? Just like everything this thread likes
>>76962235Something like that.>>76962250I think it's great. Just has it's flaws. A lot of the flaws people talk about are reduced now that the series is fully out and you don't go week by week, like a lot of the pacing issues. The final arc is still rough in many ways and the ending's eh. But the novel after helps.
>>76962268Your endorsement of it only convinces me further it's shit.
>>76962302 (not me)>>76962250 (me)You trickster
>>76962268>Just has it's flaws. A lot of the flaws people talk about are reduced now that the series is fully out and you don't go week by weekFullbringer?
Do we have a list on ordering worlds on their danger or power level?
>>76962335Most worlds are extremely dangerous with a 100% fatality rate.Everyone dies there eventually.
>>76962250>>76962268>>76962320Bleach stopped being good after Soul Society, where Titty Kuno copy pasted the same fucking story but in the desert.
>>76962320Get some expansion in CFYOW, but yeah that original arc for them was...something...
>>76962202>It's one of the few things never actually addressedIs one of the others why Isshin almost let his kids get eaten by a Hollow right in front of him in the beginning of the series?
>>76962366Bleach was never good.
>>76962366>but in the desert.And with a worse girl.
>>76962268>But the novel after helpsDoes the novel reveal if Ichigo's sisters got bullshit hybrid powers, too?
>>76962320More the complaints about the Hueco Mundo and Winter War arcs pacing I think. There's a lot of focus on side battles and stuff away from the main character, which is often what gets complaints with manga week by week when the hero hasn't been seen in a while, but reading it now lets you zoom through it all. There's still a lot of story in Hueco Mundo but it doesn't take real time years to get through the story.Honestly, this kinda applies to most series though when it comes to manga. Always higher quality once they're fully out. It's just really noticeable for stuff that has a lot happen in a short period of time in universe.Fullbringers was nice though. Different for Bleach but didn't feel unfitting.>>76962366Nah>>76962388I believe there is some mention that he didn't actually have his powers back and sought out Urahara after to start regaining them. But that might just be me trying to fill in a silly plothole.
>>76962397I know, right?Just like One Piece
>>76962412They’d be Shinigami/Quincy if they did, Ichigo got all the Hollow energy.
>>76962268>A lot of the flaws people talk about are reduced now that the series is fully out and you don't go week by weekYeah, the series it's a lot better once you read it in one go instead of waiting a week.
>>76962412Well, they do actually come up in the novel, the villain wanted to have one of them become part of the Shiba clan as the new head so he could get more political power but it got blocked by Yoruichi and Byakuya. As for hybrids, we know they can't have any hollow stuff and they probably don't have fullbringer stuff since it's meant to be rare. So Quincy plus whatever the fuuuuck let Ichigo have a Zanpakuto early. Maybe Isshin's some sort of super Shinigami.
>>76962419It's just Dragon Ball Z with ghosts and swords
>>76961983Well, DARKNESS can only improve something with its addition so that's a shame.>>76962335That would be a feat of autism beyond even the most dedicated Jumpmakers here, I think.
>>76962419I don't know about that, I remember reading through Hueco Mundo all in one sitting on a scan site a long time ago and it definitely felt like a slog to me. I'd echo the complaints others have mentioned about Hueco Mundo's story just being a copy paste of soul society but also Ichigo becoming a far less interesting character since at this point he's just been constantly reacting to enemy plots and not really asserting himself as a character with his own motivations.
>>76962462Sounds like Chuck’s kind of entertainment.
>>76962457>Maybe Isshin's some sort of super Shinigami.I mean he did put up a pretty good fight against Aizen, didn't he?
>>76962469>That would be a feat of autism beyond even the most dedicated Jumpmakers here, I thinkI think you're underestimating everyone here
>>76962457>Maybe Isshin's some sort of super Shinigami.I mean, do we know what the Shiba clan’s unique thing is? What do they have as a hold over from the pre SS world.
>>76962335There would be a lot of cavets to such a huge list. For example some jumps are way more dangerous as a first jump than if you took it later. For example something as humble looking as Tarkov/war jumps is actually one of the worst jumps to pick since all it takes to die is getting shot because of a tiny mistake as opposed to usually more forgiving anime properties. I'd end up having different criteria for shit.
>>76962494I guess it's just disagreement in views then.>>76962508Well, he was also a Captain before he left the SS so it's hard to say.>>76962514Closest we can guess is fireworks maybe? That's all Kukaku and Ganju seem to focus on. Big Gun if generous.
>>76962494Unfortunately he's a Hero type protagonist, and therefore only reacts to evil.
>>76962537>Well, he was also a Captain before he left the SSI feel like 90% of the cast of Bleach is either a captain or ex-captain.
>>76962508Isn’t Aizen literally a super shinigami?
>>76962518Wouldn't you order it by comparing each world to each other and ranking them based on that?
>>76962561Pretty sure Aizen is a god. Or at least his goal was to use the Hogyoku to transcend the barrier between shinigami and divinity.
>>76962537>Big Gun if generous.Ah, so that was Ichigo's Bankai. Combined with his Quincy bullshit and Yhwach would've had to face the greatest 1man1gun build in the series. No wonder he broke his sword right away.
>>76962561It was Aizen with the Hougyoku, he was blurring the lines a bit on what he actually was.
>>76962561He was just really motivated.
>>76962548Not true. Compare Ichigo to other shonen heroes like Naruto, Luffy, and Deku. All three of them have strongly-defined motivations propelling them to take action. Naruto and Deku both want to become the hokage/greatest hero and Luffy is out to find One Piece. By contrast Ichigo doesn't really seem to want anything aside from stopping the bad guy. And that's really a shame since Soul Society set him up with possibilities for a really great character arc of discovering what he wants and going for it and he just never acts on it.
>>76962566You could do different categories and and then try to just plug them into those. Trying to go from least to most powerful jump would be a nightmare.
>>76962566How do you judge each world? Depending on your build, most worlds can vary a lot in how dangerous they are. Danger might be in specific places or all over, only at specific times or all the time, it might be no danger at all to some people but extremely to others.Danger is pretty much impossible to make an order for. Power level might be possible but you'd have to decide either for maximum or average power level and both will give inaccurate results. Lovecraft would be a very powerful setting with the former but actually pretty low with the latter.
>>76962596>Bankai "The Stampede"Gets his coat back and everything, just red instead.
>>76962548Which is weird, since the story makes a point that Ichigo went out of his way to go hunt down street thugs with Chad, and his whole arc with Kenpachi and Hollow Zangetsu is that he he does enjoy fighting, what he hates is when people go out of their way to involve his friends and family into it.
>>76962610Honestly, Ichigo's motivation had been very clear cut from what I remember...but not exactly particularly fit for a shonen. He just wanted to protect himself and his own. Literally that's it, along with a bit of "I'll help others out if I can.". He was a very reactive sort of person pre-show, caring for the plights of ghosts but not one to actually go out and do much aside from a few "token" efforts here and there. Aside from that, he just wanted to live his life and make sure those he cares for are safe. And while noble, it doesn't make for a good shonen motivation-he isn't proactive and doesn't particularly care for whatever's going on around him as long as it isn't infringing on his little bubble.
>>76962610He has clear motivations though. He wants to save his friends. Bleach's story mostly takes place in a very short timeframe. Everything until Aizen's defeat is only a few months, while all these other series are operating on several years with many different events.The difference doesn't seem to be strongly defined motivations but long term goals. Ichigo's motivation to save his friends is possibly more well defined than the vaguer goals of the others, who want a position or title eventually in the future. But Ichigo's thing is very short term and immediate. It's a response to a threat.
>>76962510I suppose it wouldn't be that bad if you divided it up into broad categories instead of trying to come up with a definitive ranking, but it would still require either extensive knowledge of every setting we have and/or their Jumps, or crowd-sourcing for that information. There's also the issue where how dangerous a setting is depends on your build for it; would you rank the setting based off of the best possible build, or would you use a human base-line to determine what level of danger there is? Both have their own flaws.
>>76962610>doesn't really seem to want anything aside from stopping the bad guy.Generally, he just wants a normal life with all his loved ones safe. That’s been his number one priority from the get go.
>>76961047Someone post that picture where the King of the Hill cast are Shinigami and Dale explains Aizen's plan while Bill asks if an Arrancer girl would date him.
>>76962686That's not accurate. Not entirely. Ichigo can be summed up as a good guy, a relatively normal guy that wants to do good. He says he doesn't expect or want to be the one to save the world but he doesn't want to only save himself and his friends either. He just wants to do good and save people where he can.>"I'm not superman, so I can't say anything big like I'll protect everyone on earth. I'm not a modest guy who will say it's enough if I can protect as many people as my two hands can handle either. I want to protect a mountain-load of people." Ichigo basically wants to be a doctor, like his dad. He's not a messiah, he's just a normal dude in a strange situation that wants to do what good he can for others.
>>76962722Fair enough; it's been way too long since I read the manga or watched the show, so my memories of it were a bit spotty.
>>76962722This is what I like about Ichigo, beyond the other Shounen protagonists. He's not really this larger than life Jesus figure like Naruto becomes and he doesn't have the superhuman ability to inspire and gather people like Luffy. And he's not even got the fucked up issues that Deku has. He's the closest to being a regular guy that anyone might know. Pretty clever, hard working, charitable and friendly if you're a nice person too. Goes out of his way to help others but won't sacrifice his own life without good reason for total strangers.In a world where every protagonist can often feel closer to an alien than a human with understandable motivations, I think Ichigo stands out. He's the most grounded of all these big manga heroes. It can come off as a little bland, because he doesn't really get the huge breakout moments that the others do because of their big personalities. But there's plenty of character to be found in Ichigo, you just need to go back and read through what he says.
>>76962690I feel like you'd havw to rank them on the assumption they are first jumps, which is to say based on their own content as predicting how every jump interacts is impossible, and then you'd have to assume average or median power level build. Basically nit the worst not optimized just kind of middle of the road for what is possible with the jump. It would definitely require crowd sourcing. Preferably at least a few anons opinions for each jump. I think dividing them into categories of safe, unsafe, and dangerous would be the easiest. If you get into more minutiae than that it's just begging for arguements and making way to much work. Just categorize them on their own merits independent of any other jump based on your chance at survival if it was jump one. I wouldn't bother ranking the jumps within a given category, because comparing jumps against each other like that seems counter productive and likely to cause contention to me, but if i absolutely to I would further sub divide each section into 3 groups of least dangerous to most dangerous within that category. So you'd basically be able ti see if a jump was considered safe or dangerous and what the level it was on. Essentially having 9 levels.
>>76962788Spider-Man would sacrifice his life for total strangers and he's pretty relatable
>>76960237Boy, what a coincidence, the guy that the Joker was based on has a resemblance to the Joker.Please, read what you type before you hit submit.
>>76962335>>76962510>>76962690>>76962842Anon is basically asking for VSBattles wiki. And we all know how that went.
>>76962690I mainly asked because I wanted to do a roll only Chain but realized that jumping straight from Pokemon to Dragon Ball Z and then Animal Crossing felt a little jarring.A category would be something like modern earth, where stuff like Ace Combat, Austin Powers and SoL animes could be placed in, and then ranked from there. In a SoL setting you would be a lot less safer than Ace Combat, and even Austin Powers.
>>76962856Is he actually relatable though? He's friendly and funny but I don't think that's being relatable. Not unless you're going more for specific stories. Otherwise you're looking at this sometimes billionaire, sometimes not, super genius cosmic hero world celebrity, trying to save the world and balance his many romantic interests while being shit on harder than anyone ever has from time to time.Guess it's the problem with comics though.
>>76962856Idk, he can, be but the “1000000% SURVIVORS GUILT 24/7 RESPONSIBILITY AAAAAAA” can be hard to relate to sometimes.
>>76962124Ever thought about making a jump for kumoemon's stuff? They've got a long running kantai collection series that seems right up your alley. Link in spoilers https://nhentai.net/artist/kumoemon/
>>76962888Rollchains are for retards. You should only use jumps for settings you know.
>>76962895I can't speak for Smuthunter, but people nagging me with unsolicited jump requests is one of the things that all but guarantees I won't make a jump for the property in question.
>>76962925I;m only using a list of jumps that I know reasonably well. I'm rolling because I want to.
>>76962925>You should only use jumps for settings you know.Yeah I hate the “I’m jumping X but I know nothing about it hold my hand please” posts.
>>76962872Oh it's a terrible idea, and like I said I think it would absolutely cause contention, I just cant help but spitball what i think is the best way to do it. Not a good way. It's still a bad idea and a bad plan, but I think the best way it could be done. It would be literally impossible to put them in an actual list of jumps least dangerous to most dangerous with each jump ranked compared to the others and in exact order of threat level. Couldn't be done. But you could theoretically say these jumps are dangerous, these jumps are less dangerous. People might argue over which murder death gore porn world is worse than the others, but they probably won't argue over whether or not the murder gore porn worlds belong in the dangerous category while the fluffy comedy worlds belongs in the safer category. Probably.
>>76953327I made a couple edits to Earth 2 and Earth 11. Earth 2 is structured better so it's mostly filling in the missing perks and items now.
>>76962895I'm familiar with Kumoemon and Bind Ship is actually a personal favorite of mine but I don't know enough about Kantai Collection to do a jump for it.
>>76962976You could probably get that much just from reading the jumps' intros.
>>76962954If you know it """"""""reasonably well"""""""", then you shouldn't need people to spoonfeed you the power/danger levels.
>>76962980>filling in the missing perks and items now.What’s missing?
All this talk about bleach made me remember something I noticed while I was doing a second reading of the manga.>despite being present in the battle of vizards vs Aizen, Kubo completely forgot to draw any scene of Omaeda fighting, not even a pity scene of him losing>anime also skipped him, everyone gets a scene where they lose to Aizen, omaeda is just straight up gone from the fight He got some better treatment in the final arc, but man, being completely forgotten both in the manga and anime sucks, cant believe Aizen is so powerful he erases people from the manga.
>>76962889Also not many of us have sold our marriages to the actual devil.
>>76963086That's not really a surprise? He's a vice captain and not a major one. He got his moment a few battles before that in his team up with Sui Feng. All the vizard are captain level and have personal stakes against AizenJust doesn't seem to fit that OMaeda get any screen time.
>>76963105Even the best heroes aren't immune to Marvel's shitty writing.
>>76963086He has the power of King Crimson 2: King Crimson harder
>>76962889>>76962894NTA but he used to be much more relatable. Marvel has been destroying the character for a long time now and moving him away from what made him so beloved in the first place. He's still popular because of sheer inertia at this point, and because even with how much they've ruined shit he's still better than the vast majority of marvel characters, but he isn't the spider man I loved growing up. Not anymore, and it's sad. I still like Spiderman for what he was, but I hate what they made him. Well what certain writers made him.
>>76963086>When you stealth so hard the Manga Writer can't find you.
>>76963105>>76962889The thing is that wasn't what spiderman was. None of that us what spider man was, they aren't what I think of when I think of spider man. I know that's the direction marvels shitheads have taken him, but that isn't Spiderman. These are (relatively) recent developments pushed by a few writers that had a good deal of backlash because people didn't like them assassinating the character like that. Spiderman spent decades as a pretty relatable dude. He had his wife, his shitty job and his worries about bills, and he tried to do the right thing and help his community even though it made things harder for him. Yeah he got caught up in the bigger nonsense becausr he was a popular character so he'd get shoe horned in to the big teams and events and whatnot, but when it was just spiderman? For a long time it was just a guy doing his best and I liked that. It saddens me those days are gone.
>>76963155Truly, Omaeda's stealth skills show how he deserved his spot in the 2nd division.
>>76963001Yeah but anon probably doesn't want to have to read the intros to hundreds of jumps.
Fate oni or Touhou oni?
>>76963230Oni chain. All the Oni. All of them.
>>76962925When I did a rollchain, I actually bothered to research the settings I went to, instead of relying on anons.Note to anyone who does this, do it in private browsing or Google is going to assume you love certain things you otherwise wouldn't give a rat's ass about.
>>76963200The only thing we know about Omaeda's skills is that Soi-Fon said he was worthy of the position she gave to him. And seeing as the only times we actually see members of the 2nd are when A) Shit has hit the fan so hard stealth ops are no longer possible or B) People have been informed and are using Anti-THEM tactics or C) The Prior Captain is here, no need to try at that point. Omeada might acutally be a stealthy fat-ninja meme and no one got the joke.
>>76963230Touhou, I'm not a lolicon
The most relatable hero I can think of is Saitama. He's just a guy who was really passionate about getting fuck-off strong, and then did it, and is now just some random dude who's fuck-off strong.
>>76963258Well I assumed it was a fat ninja joke years ago, and those aren't funny lmao
>>76963230Fate bad, 2hu I dunno but the music slaps
>>76963271Dr. McNinja has a fucking helarious series of scenes for the Stealthy Fat Ninja meme. Even McNinja is just wow'd by how stealthy a sumo has to be to hide from him.
>>76963196Spiderman hasn't been what you remember for decades, to be honest mate. A lot of this stuff isn't new.
>>76963287Sorry to tell you this...But I don't like Dr. McNinja
>>76963268And so autitistically obsessed with fighting a strong opponent that he refuses to pursue anything but fighting and being a hero in search of enjoyment in life.